The Ben Shapiro Show - The Biden Autopen Scandal Breaks WIDE OPEN

00:00:00.000 All righty, folks, got a ton to get to today here on the show.

00:00:03.000 Everything from the real Biden scandal continues to roll out.

00:00:07.000 Why isn't it getting more attention?

00:00:09.000 Plus, the Epstein scandal, non-scandal, and why are some people unwilling, unwilling to say what they actually want to say about the Epstein supposed cover-up?

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00:00:46.000 All righty, so we're going to get to the latest on the Epstein scandal, the cover-up or non-cover-up in just a second.

00:00:52.000 First, the actual biggest scandal of the last 20 years is, of course, that Joe Biden was not sentient for the last several years of his presidency, and this is becoming more and more apparent every day.

00:01:02.000 Amazing story out of the New York Times where the headline absolutely does not match the content of the story as per a usual arrangement.

00:01:10.000 So the headline of the story in the New York Times, Biden says he made the clemency decisions that were recorded with auto pen.

00:01:16.000 Cool.

00:01:17.000 So everything was fine, right?

00:01:18.000 That he said that he was going to give clemency or pardons to people.

00:01:21.000 And then he just said to his people, fine, use the auto pen to sign it.

00:01:24.000 I'm busy today.

00:01:25.000 That is not what the story actually says.

00:01:27.000 What the story actually says is something different.

00:01:30.000 Okay, what does it say?

00:01:31.000 Well, apparently, according to the New York Times, the full picture of what Mr. Biden did on pardon and clemency decisions and how much he directed those decisions and the actions of his staff, including the use of the auto pen, may come down to tens of thousands of Biden White House emails that the National Archives has turned over as part of the investigation by the Trump White House and the Justice Department.

00:01:50.000 Those emails contain keywords like clemency, pardon, and commutation from November 2024 through January 2025, according to people familiar with the matter.

00:01:59.000 The Times has reviewed several dozen of those emails, which discussed each of the major grants of clemency that were recorded by an autopen near the end of Mr. Biden's term.

00:02:07.000 But the Times has not seen the full extent of the emails, so it is impossible to capture the totality of information they contain, or what else they might show about Mr. Biden's involvement in the pardon and clemency decisions.

00:02:18.000 But those that were reviewed by the Times show that the Biden White House had a process to establish that Mr. Biden had orally made decisions in meetings before the staff secretary, Stephanie Feldman, who managed use of the AutoPen, would have clemency records put through the signing device.

00:02:32.000 So here is the problem.

00:02:35.000 Later on in the article, buried always, paragraph 17, paragraph 18, paragraph 20.

00:02:42.000 As always, the actual story is buried here.

00:02:46.000 What is the actual story?

00:02:47.000 Apparently, President Trump had categories of clemency, and those categories of clemency did not spell out all the details.

00:02:57.000 And people would just fill in the details as to who should receive clemency and when.

00:03:01.000 Quote, at the end of his term, Mr. Biden reduced the sentences of nearly 4,000 federal convicts and preemptively pardoned politically prominent people he considered potentially targets of Mr. Trump for criminal investigations.

00:03:11.000 Mr. Biden said in Thursday's interview, he had his staff use an auto pen for the warrants because he had granted clemency to so many people.

00:03:18.000 The auto pen was used, in all, on 25 pardon and commutation warrants from last December to January.

00:03:24.000 Some of the individual warrants included large batches of names because they all fell into the same broad policy category, like reducing the sentences of nonviolent drug offenders who met standards that Mr. Biden established.

00:03:36.000 Over the next three months, Biden made four major sets of clemency actions that were recorded with an auto pen.

00:03:42.000 Three applied to broad categories of people.

00:03:45.000 And as it turns out, Mr. Biden, here's the key, has buried like three quarters of the way down in the story.

00:03:50.000 Mr. Biden did not individually approve each name for the categorical pardons that applied to large numbers of people.

00:03:57.000 He and aides confirmed.

00:03:59.000 Rather, after extensive discussion of different possible criteria, he signed off on the standards he wanted to be used to determine which convicts would qualify for reduction in sentence.

00:04:08.000 Even after Mr. Biden made that decision, one former aide said, the Bureau of Prisons kept providing additional information about specific inmates, resulting in small changes to the list.

00:04:16.000 Rather than ask Mr. Biden to keep signing revised versions, his staff waited and then ran a final version through the auto pen, which they saw as a routine procedure, the aide said.

00:04:26.000 Hey, so that's amazing.

00:04:28.000 That is his aide admitting the quiet part out loud that Trump, that basically Biden said, here's a broad category of people, nonviolent drug offenders.

00:04:34.000 Go do something about it.

00:04:36.000 And then his people scurried around and came up with a list and the list kept changing.

00:04:40.000 And instead of informing the president of the United States who was on the list, what their specific crimes were, what their stories were, they just ran it through the auto pen based on a giant category.

00:04:52.000 That's crazy.

00:04:53.000 That's crazy.

00:04:54.000 When you give commutations of sentences, those are commutations to individuals.

00:04:59.000 If you want to pardon everybody in a broad clemency category, like for example, Jimmy Carter with draft dodgers, then you have to do that as a broad category.

00:05:06.000 Everybody who dodged the Vietnam War draft is now pardoned or their sentences would be commuted.

00:05:10.000 But that's not what Biden did.

00:05:13.000 What he did, he didn't pardon every single nonviolent drug offender in the land.

00:05:17.000 He pardoned specific drug offenders in the land.

00:05:21.000 Biden said in the interview that he discussed each of the high-profile individuals with AIDS.

00:05:26.000 Okay, well, he may have discussed the high-profile individuals with AIDS, but that's not what his AIDS are saying.

00:05:31.000 His aides are saying, you know, all those low-level people, like the nonviolent drug offenders you decided to, we just created a list and then we pardoned them ourselves, which is crazy.

00:05:40.000 And again, this speaks to how insane it is that for several years, we did not have a president of the United States, that somebody else was governing the country, that it was either Dr. Jill Biden, the greatest doctor in all the land, or Hunter Biden, the Coke fiend who committed a felony gun crime, or his advisors like Jake Sullivan.

00:06:02.000 And the fact that this has somehow slipped to like number 10 on the list of scandals that Americans care about is pretty wild.

00:06:09.000 It seems like this should be not only the number one scandal in the country right now, it should be like one of the top scandals of all time.

00:06:15.000 Like there's no question this is worse than Watergate.

00:06:16.000 Watergate, the question was whether the president had authorized a break-in at the Democratic national headquarters.

00:06:23.000 And by the way, that was in the aftermath of similar activity having been done by LBJ in prior elections against, for example, Barry Goldwater.

00:06:30.000 Here you're talking about whether the president of the United States, his health condition, was covered up by everyone around everyone in his cabinet, everybody in the media who knew about it, people who were dealing with him on a daily basis.

00:06:41.000 I mean, just last week, you had his personal doctor at the White House taking the fifth so he would not have to explain what Joe Biden's actual mental status was, which is absolutely insane.

00:06:53.000 So the Trump administration is looking into this.

00:06:56.000 According to the New York Times, the Trump administration's scrutiny of the use of the auto pen intensified last month when President Trump signed an order on June 4th directing his White House counsel and attorney general to investigate Biden's mental acuity and whether Joe Biden's aides had illegally used the device, the auto pen.

00:07:12.000 The executive branch investigation led to the Trump administration request for all emails about clemency issues from the Biden White House near the end of Mr. Biden's term.

00:07:20.000 Under National Archives procedures, Biden could have raised objections, but apparently he didn't.

00:07:24.000 Congress is going to be looking into this as well.

00:07:26.000 So here's the thing about a scandal and a conspiracy.

00:07:29.000 If you can name the scandal and the conspiracy, like the people who were actually involved in the conspiracy, then it is a plausible conspiracy.

00:07:36.000 It is certainly more than plausible that there were many people around Joe Biden who knew about his mental health condition.

00:07:43.000 We know this from not only the reporting of Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper, we know this from contemporaneous reporting.

00:07:49.000 We know this from the use of our own eyeballs because the question is, when did Joe Biden go senile?

00:07:54.000 And we all watched it happen in real time because he was speaking on camera and he was the president of the United States.

00:08:00.000 And it's because he effectively died on camera that he wasn't actually the end nominee for his own party after being formally nominated for the presidency again in 2024, right?

00:08:09.000 That's what a conspiracy looks like.

00:08:11.000 A specific group of people doing a specific thing for a specific purpose.

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00:10:31.000 Okay, so now we move over to the Epstein scandal, which continues to burn up the headlines, particularly in the world of the internet.

00:10:39.000 So President Trump is getting very frustrated with this.

00:10:41.000 He's getting very frustrated because the DOJ and the FBI came to a conclusion.

00:10:45.000 We read you the entire letter last week.

00:10:46.000 The DOJ and FBI came to a conclusion.

00:10:49.000 The conclusion was, one, there is no actual Epstein list, meaning a list of third parties to whom Jeffrey Epstein and Ghelaine Maxwell were trafficking underage girls.

00:10:59.000 That list does not exist.

00:11:00.000 Okay, that was the conclusion of the DOJ and the FBI.

00:11:03.000 Two, Jeffrey Epstein did, in fact, commit suicide.

00:11:06.000 Conclusion of the DOJ and the FBI.

00:11:08.000 Three, he was not, in fact, an intelligence agent blackmailing people.

00:11:12.000 There's no evidence of that, according to the DOJ and the FBI.

00:11:14.000 Those are the conclusions of the DOJ and the FBI.

00:11:18.000 Those are the conclusions.

00:11:19.000 And as I said last week, maybe they're lying.

00:11:21.000 I mean, possible, sure.

00:11:23.000 Maybe there's other evidence out there.

00:11:25.000 I have not seen it.

00:11:26.000 I don't know any more than Tucker Carlson or Steve Bannon or anyone else.

00:11:29.000 And I don't know any less than Tucker Carlson or Steve Bannon or anyone else.

00:11:34.000 But I do know who knows more than I do.

00:11:36.000 And those are the people at the DOJ and the FBI who actually looked at the evidence. 0.95

00:11:39.000 And as I said last week, either you have to call them liars who are engaged in the most massive cover-up of a child sex trafficking ring of all time, or Pam Bondi is a screw-up. 0.99

00:11:50.000 Those are the two choices. 0.97

00:11:52.000 There's not really a third choice.

00:11:54.000 So President Trump is getting frustrated with all of this because he says, listen, they looked at the evidence.

00:11:58.000 The evidence came out.

00:11:59.000 Why are we still on this?

00:12:00.000 And listen, I think the reason we're still on this is because Pam Bondi, the attorney general, screwed this up.

00:12:05.000 I think Pam Bondi, the AG, when she came out earlier this year and she did an interview where she seemed to suggest the Epstein list was on her desk.

00:12:12.000 And to be fair to her, if you watch the entire interview, she makes the case that she's talking about all the Epstein documents are on her desk and she's looking at them.

00:12:19.000 Okay, fine.

00:12:20.000 But the other thing that she did, of course, was she went out there and claimed there were tens of thousands of hours of tape.

00:12:25.000 There are, by the way, but they are child pornography.

00:12:28.000 The reason the FBI is not releasing them is because those tapes do not include underage people with third parties on Epstein Island.

00:12:35.000 That is not what the tapes are.

00:12:37.000 I also have sources in the federal government who are covering this stuff and have seen the documents. 0.58

00:12:42.000 Those tapes are just child porn. 0.88

00:12:44.000 That's all. 0.99

00:12:45.000 That's what they are.

00:12:46.000 That's why the FBI is not releasing them.

00:12:48.000 As far as the Epstein list, what I have been told by my sources is that there is no Epstein list, that basically there's a black book of Jeffrey Epstein contacts.

00:12:57.000 And the vast majority of those contacts are already out there Publicly, that's why you know names like Prince Andrew or Alan Dershowitz or some of the names that have been mentioned here.

00:13:06.000 Those contacts, there is no evidence according to the DOJ and the FBI.

00:13:10.000 Again, that's public.

00:13:11.000 There's no evidence that any of those third parties were having girls trafficked to them.

00:13:16.000 That is not evidence that was made clear, certainly, to the DOJ or the FBI.

00:13:21.000 Okay, that is, so Pam Bondi then made the sin, the cardinal error of bringing a bunch of social media influencers in there in the White House to meet with President Trump. 1.00

00:13:30.000 And she walks in with a bunch of binders with material that had already been publicly released and said, this is round one of the release.

00:13:36.000 And she handed them the binders and they all walked out.

00:13:38.000 You remember this. 0.99

00:13:39.000 It was really foolish. 0.95

00:13:40.000 They all walked out holding up the binders as though they'd been giving Nobel Peace Prize or something. 0.99

00:13:44.000 And it turns out there was nothing in the binders, which was humiliating to the influencers and incredibly dumb on the part of the attorney general.

00:13:50.000 And then as a cover-up of her own incompetence on that, she proceeded to send a letter to Cash Patel at the FBI suggesting that he had not turned over documents that he had in his possession to her.

00:14:02.000 Again, there's no evidence that that is the case.

00:14:04.000 And so that's why there is currently a fight between Dan Bongino, the deputy director of the FBI, and Pam Bondi, the Attorney General of the United States.

00:14:12.000 But the bottom line is this.

00:14:14.000 There are two possible theories here.

00:14:15.000 Theory number one, Pam Bondi oversold what she had and she didn't have any evidence of the things that she was maintaining and she screwed up the public release. 1.00

00:14:24.000 And two, the entire administration, including Donald Trump, JD Vance, Cash Patel, Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino, and everyone else in the administration is actively covering up a sex ring.

00:14:35.000 Those are the two, those are the two possible theories.

00:14:39.000 I'm going to go with the Pam Bondi screwed everything up theory.

00:14:42.000 Why?

00:14:43.000 Well, because I know the people.

00:14:44.000 I know Cash Patel.

00:14:45.000 I know Dan Bongino.

00:14:47.000 I know the president.

00:14:49.000 I do not think that they are lying to you about a cover-up of a child rape ring. 0.88

00:14:55.000 And as I'll make clear in a moment, I think that the people who are making the accusations that's happening should have the actual balls to say that that's what they're accusing Donald Trump of.

00:15:02.000 Some people are.

00:15:03.000 And you know what?

00:15:04.000 More power to them because at least they're saying the thing that they're saying clearly. 0.92

00:15:09.000 Then there are a bunch of cowards out there who are making those sorts of accusations. 0.92

00:15:12.000 Oh, there's a cover-up. 0.98

00:15:13.000 Oh, it's the CIA.

00:15:14.000 Oh, it's Mossad.

00:15:15.000 Oh, it's MISX.

00:15:16.000 Oh, it's the Saudis. 1.00

00:15:17.000 And this administration is actively engaging in a cover-up, but they won't say who.

00:15:23.000 Okay, well, if you say you have a conspiracy theory, spell it out.

00:15:25.000 Who?

00:15:26.000 Who's the guy?

00:15:27.000 Is Donald Trump actively covering up sex crimes?

00:15:31.000 If you're going to say that, just say it. 1.00

00:15:33.000 Otherwise, you are a coward. 1.00

00:15:35.000 You are a coward. 1.00

00:15:36.000 Say the thing you want to say. 1.00

00:15:38.000 Have the courage of your convictions.

00:15:40.000 In any case, President Trump is irritated with all of this because he's like, you know, we have actual important things going on in the country.

00:15:45.000 And listen, I think it's important that the American people have answers to questions like, was there an Epstein list considering what Pam Bondi said?

00:15:52.000 And if she says there's no Epstein list, she should answer questions about that, right?

00:15:56.000 She's the one who said it.

00:15:56.000 I didn't say it.

00:15:57.000 She said it or kind of said it.

00:16:00.000 How about the thousands of hours of tapes?

00:16:01.000 She said it.

00:16:02.000 I didn't say it.

00:16:02.000 She should answer questions about that.

00:16:04.000 I've been calling from day one for a press conference involving the AG or Cash Patel or whomever, go out there and explain your conclusions, right?

00:16:12.000 I mean, that would be full transparency.

00:16:14.000 And as far as the release of documentation, as far as the release of tapes, there are processes and procedures that are in place for a reason at the FBI and DOJ with regard to what they release in criminal investigations.

00:16:26.000 So for example, the FBI is not going to post tens of thousands of hours of child pornography that Jeffrey Epstein downloaded onto his computer so he could goon.

00:16:34.000 Okay, that's not a thing that they are going to do.

00:16:37.000 They are also not going to release a gigantic list of names who are not implicated in sex crimes.

00:16:42.000 And that's why their names were redacted.

00:16:44.000 Because how would you like it if you had been at a party with Jeffrey Epstein once?

00:16:49.000 Or let's say you had been friends with Jeffrey Epstein, but you didn't know of his sexual proclivities with young girls.

00:16:54.000 And you went to his island on his private plane, or he just flew on his private plane and didn't go to his island. 0.93

00:16:58.000 And now everyone thinks you're a pedophile, right?

00:17:00.000 That's why the FBI doesn't typically release names in investigations unless there's evidence the person is engaged in a crime.

00:17:07.000 That's why.

00:17:08.000 So they can't release everything.

00:17:10.000 And if they want to release that stuff, they can go to a judge and they can ask for that stuff to be released.

00:17:14.000 The judge will probably say no because it's a violation of the Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights, presumably, of the people who are at issue here.

00:17:21.000 In any case, President Trump put out a statement.

00:17:23.000 He said, what's going on with my boys?

00:17:25.000 And in some cases, gals? 0.71

00:17:26.000 They are all going after Attorney General Pambondi, who is doing a fantastic job.

00:17:29.000 We're on one team at MAGA, and I don't like what's happening.

00:17:32.000 We have a perfect administration, the talk of the world, and selfish people are trying to hurt it.

00:17:35.000 All over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein, for years.

00:17:38.000 It's Epstein over and over again.

00:17:40.000 Why are we giving publicity to files written by Obama, crooked Hillary, Comey Brennan, and the losers and criminals of the Biden administration who conned the world with the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax, 51 intelligence agents, the laptop from hell, and more?

00:17:50.000 They created the Epstein files, just like they created the fake Hillary Clinton, Christopher Steele dossier they used on me. 0.59

00:17:56.000 And now my so-called friends are playing right into their hands.

00:17:59.000 Why didn't these radical left lunatics release the Epstein files? 0.92

00:18:01.000 Okay, the case that he's making here is that the Biden administration was talking a lot about the Epstein files, or at least that was there's reporting on it.

00:18:09.000 And then they were in charge for four years.

00:18:11.000 Why didn't they release any of that?

00:18:12.000 They could have.

00:18:13.000 So why exactly did not they release any of that?

00:18:15.000 He says, if there was anything in there that could have hurt the MAGA movement, why didn't they use it?

00:18:18.000 This is a real question that President Trump is asking.

00:18:21.000 It's correct.

00:18:22.000 If Donald Trump, right, there are a bunch of people on the left now implicating Trump and saying, well, the reason that nothing's been released is because he's in the fight.

00:18:29.000 As I said last week, what do you think the chances are that Joe Biden and Merrick Garland and the rest of Team Biden would not have released information on Donald Trump with young girls if they had it?

00:18:41.000 Those chances are less than zero.

00:18:43.000 They do not exist.

00:18:45.000 Okay, so President Trump continues.

00:18:47.000 They haven't even given up on the John F. Kennedy or Martin Luther King Jr. files.

00:18:50.000 No matter how much success we have had, securing the border, deporting criminals, fixing the economy, energy dominance, a safer world where Iran will not have nuclear weapons, it's never enough for some people. 0.90

00:18:59.000 We're about to achieve more in six months than any other administration has achieved in over 100 years.

00:19:04.000 And we have so much more to do.

00:19:05.000 We are saving our country and making America great again, which will continue to be our complete priority.

00:19:09.000 The left is imploding.

00:19:10.000 Cash Patel and the FBI must be focused on investigating voter fraud, political corruption, Act Blue, the rigged and stolen election of 2020, and arresting thugs and criminals instead of spending month after month looking at nothing but the same old radical left-inspired documents on Jeffrey Epstein.

00:19:23.000 Let Pambondi do her job. 1.00

00:19:25.000 She's great.

00:19:26.000 The 2020 election was rigged and stolen.

00:19:27.000 They tried to do the same in 2024.

00:19:29.000 That's what she is Looking into as a G and much more.

00:19:31.000 One year ago, our country was dead.

00:19:33.000 Now it's the hottest country anywhere in the world.

00:19:35.000 Let's keep it that way and not waste time and energy on Jeffrey Epstein, somebody that nobody cares about.

00:19:38.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.

00:19:40.000 Okay, so a bunch of people are saying that's dismissive of people's concerns.

00:19:43.000 I get it.

00:19:43.000 I do.

00:19:44.000 Okay.

00:19:45.000 Also, if you're President Trump and you're looking at what is, by most accounts, the most successful month of a presidency in modern memory, you're talking about a president who this month passed the one big beautiful bill maintaining tax rates and cutting the future growth curve of Medicaid, for example, a president who pursued the single most successful foreign policy strike of my lifetime, zero Americans killed, zero Americans wounded, end of the Iranian nuclear program.

00:20:11.000 You're talking about a president who solved a conflict in Africa, a president who, as we'll discuss in a moment, is re-engaging in the fight to prevent Putin from taking over Ukraine.

00:20:22.000 A president who is winning on immigration.

00:20:25.000 And you're concerned with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:20:27.000 When the investigation is done, you can understand Trump's frustration as well.

00:20:31.000 So I understand why people are saying, don't be dismissive of people's concerns.

00:20:34.000 You're the people who actually spun up a lot of those concerns for years.

00:20:37.000 I get it.

00:20:37.000 I totally get that.

00:20:38.000 And as I've said, AG Bondi really does have a public responsibility to come out and do a presser and answer all the questions she does because she's the one who pushed out the line that there was a list or maybe not a list.

00:20:50.000 There were tapes, there were a thousand victims and all the rest.

00:20:53.000 Like explain yours.

00:20:54.000 I get that.

00:20:54.000 That is not the same thing as the questions that some are asking today.

00:20:59.000 Right.

00:20:59.000 So when Elon Musk, for example, says that we should release the files as promised, when he says, just release the files as promised.

00:21:07.000 Okay, first of all, they should explain why they're not.

00:21:10.000 Right.

00:21:10.000 Like I agree with that.

00:21:13.000 As I've said, I think there are probably good reasons why they are not releasing the file, like legal reasons.

00:21:18.000 They're not allowed by a judge, presumably.

00:21:20.000 And they can clarify that.

00:21:21.000 Clarification would be good here.

00:21:22.000 Transparency would be good.

00:21:23.000 I agree with the transparency call.

00:21:25.000 That is not what a lot of people are asking today.

00:21:27.000 Artie, coming up, members of the administration, and also, by the way, members of the Israeli government denying that Epstein had anything to do with intelligence.

00:21:35.000 You can believe them or not believe them, but at least say who you're calling a liar. 0.86

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00:23:53.000 So Cash Patel torched the conspiracy theories, the head of the FBI.

00:23:57.000 The conspiracy theories just aren't true, never have been.

00:24:00.000 It's an honor to serve the president of the United States, President Trump, and I'll continue to do so for as long as he calls on me.

00:24:06.000 Now, again, this has turned into a bit of a fight between Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi.

00:24:13.000 Dan, my understanding is, wants the Attorney General to admit that she blew the rollout of this thing and oversold it.

00:24:21.000 And she apparently does not want to admit to that.

00:24:24.000 That is my understanding of the situation right now.

00:24:26.000 And so it's turned into sort of this internal firefight.

00:24:29.000 With that said, none of that is the questions that are being asked by both the left and then the horseshoe theory right here.

00:24:35.000 And again, I'm going to give credit to the people who are actively just saying the thing out loud, because again, at least they have the courage of their convictions.

00:24:41.000 So Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez on the left, she says, wow, who would have thought that electing a rapist would complicate the release of the Epstein files? 0.99

00:24:49.000 So first of all, that's a lie about President Trump.

00:24:51.000 He's not a rapist.

00:24:52.000 But second of all, when she says that that would have complicated what she's claiming is that President Trump is in fact implicated in the Epstein files.

00:25:00.000 Rocana, Democratic congressman from California, he says, why are the Epstein files still hidden?

00:25:05.000 Who are the rich and powerful being protected?

00:25:07.000 On Tuesday, I'm introducing an amendment to force a vote demanding the full Epstein files be released to the public.

00:25:11.000 The speaker must call a vote and put every Congress member on record.

00:25:14.000 Now, again, this is a really cynical piece of politicking by Roe, for sure, because as I recall, he was in Congress during the Biden administration and the president of the United States was of his party and all of them, all the same materials were available to Democrats during that time.

00:25:30.000 And he didn't do this, right?

00:25:30.000 So the implication from Democrats is that Trump is engaged in a cover-up.

00:25:34.000 But I do want to give a special shout out for courage, truly, really, to Dave Smith, the pseudo-comedian turned political commentator.

00:25:43.000 He put out a tweet, quote, in the last month, Donald Trump has launched a war of aggression on behalf of a foreign government, exploded the debt, announced that he's continuing the Biden policy of arming Ukraine and covered up a giant child rape operation.

00:25:54.000 Take credit to Dave Smith for actually saying what he believes.

00:25:57.000 Truly, at least he's being honest.

00:25:59.000 At least he's being Honest, and there he was at TPUSA.

00:26:01.000 And I do have to ask the question here as to why TPUSA decided to spend the weekend promoting the theory that President Trump is engaged in a child rape cover-up.

00:26:09.000 That's a weird thing for TPUSA to do. 0.89

00:26:11.000 I know that Charlie Kirk obviously was a major force in getting President Trump elected.

00:26:14.000 He's an ally of the president.

00:26:16.000 Handing over the stage to multiple people claiming that the president of the United States is engaged in a child rape cover-up is definitely a weird move, definitely a strange move.

00:26:25.000 In any case, here was Dave Smith just saying that from the stage of TPUSA.

00:26:30.000 Listen, guys, I'm a free American.

00:26:32.000 I supported Donald Trump in this last election. 0.68

00:26:35.000 Yes, he did just actively cover up a giant child rapist ring, and I'm going to criticize him for that. 0.65

00:26:41.000 Okay.

00:26:42.000 And I'm sorry after all these years of us right-wingers saying, protect the children.

00:26:47.000 Come on, that's bad for your soul if you don't.

00:26:49.000 You speak up about that.

00:26:51.000 It's horrible what he's doing.

00:26:54.000 Okay, so first of all, as we've talked about, and I'm sure we'll talk about it again, the evidence of the child sex trafficking beyond Jeffrey Epstein and Ghelaine Maxwell, his girlfriends, who third parties, that is all based, as we discussed last week, on the testimony of an incredibly unreliable witness in Virginia Geufrey, who is so unreliable prosecutors would not even use her in the Ghelaine Maxwell prosecution.

00:27:13.000 But at least Dave Smith is saying the thing, right?

00:27:16.000 He is accusing the president of the United States of a child rape cover-up.

00:27:19.000 That is what he's accusing the president of the United States of, just like members of the left.

00:27:23.000 And then there's Tucker Carlson.

00:27:25.000 So Tucker took the stage at TPUSA, and essentially he made the same claim, but he didn't have the courage of his convictions because he's not willing to say what he's saying.

00:27:34.000 Again, there are only two possibilities here.

00:27:36.000 Either Pam Bondi screwed up the rollout of this particular case and she oversold what was there and then she had to walk it back, but she won't publicly walk it back.

00:27:46.000 Or the president of the United States, the vice president of the United States, the head of the FBI, the deputy director of the FBI and the head of the DOJ are all complicit in a child's rape cover-up.

00:27:55.000 Those are the only two choices.

00:27:56.000 There is no third choice.

00:27:58.000 Well, here is Tucker Carlson saying what Dave Smith is saying, but without the courage of his convictions to just say Trump is the one doing the covering it up.

00:28:05.000 And I would love for him to say it publicly.

00:28:06.000 Seriously, he knows the president.

00:28:08.000 He's friendly with the president.

00:28:09.000 He's obviously incredibly friendly with the vice president of the United States, for whom his son is press secretary.

00:28:14.000 So anytime he wants, he could call up the administration and seek clarification on whether they are in fact covering up child rape.

00:28:20.000 And I would love to know whether he has done that, since he is very close with those people. 0.94

00:28:24.000 But here is Tucker making the accusation without having balls to actually say it.

00:28:29.000 But the fact that the U.S. government, the one that I voted for, refused to take my question seriously and instead said case closed, shut up conspiracy theorist, was too much for me.

00:28:43.000 And I don't think the rest of us should be satisfied with that.

00:28:53.000 Okay, so ask the president.

00:28:56.000 So ask him.

00:28:57.000 Seriously, you got his phone number.

00:28:59.000 We know the president talks to Tucker.

00:29:00.000 We know that J.D. Vance frequently talks to Tucker.

00:29:03.000 Ask the question.

00:29:03.000 Seriously.

00:29:04.000 Do it.

00:29:07.000 One of the things you'll notice about Tucker, he's very good at sort of speculating about problems without offering any solutions or trying to solve them.

00:29:14.000 So if he really believes when he says the U.S. government is covering up the conspiracy, who is the U.S. government at this point?

00:29:22.000 Who's the U.S. government?

00:29:24.000 Really?

00:29:24.000 Who is it?

00:29:25.000 Name the people.

00:29:26.000 When we're talking about Joe Biden, we can name the people.

00:29:29.000 Jill, Hunter, Jake Sullivan, his domestic policy advisors.

00:29:33.000 We can name the individuals, not some sort of broad category of the U.S. government.

00:29:38.000 If he wants to accuse Donald Trump of being complicit in a child rape gang cover-up, then he should just say his name.

00:29:45.000 He should just do it.

00:29:46.000 And why won't he?

00:29:48.000 I think we all know the answers.

00:29:49.000 Why won't he?

00:29:50.000 Here is Tucker then asserting that it was actually Mossad.

00:29:54.000 Again, without evidence, not a shock.

00:29:56.000 Of course, this is where Tucker was going.

00:29:58.000 This has become the hot speculation on the internet is without evidence, you say that Mossad was running Jeffrey Epstein.

00:30:04.000 When I say without evidence, I mean without evidence.

00:30:06.000 Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, said, quote, as a former Israeli prime minister, with the Mossad having reported directly to me, I say to you with 100% certainty, the accusation that Jeffrey Epstein somehow worked for Israel or the Mossad running a blackmail ring is categorically and totally false.

00:30:23.000 This accusation is a lie being peddled by prominent online personalities such as Tuckler Carlson, pretending they know things they don't.

00:30:29.000 And in fact, I followed up with the former prime minister, Naftali Bennett, and what he told me is that Mossad has not been active in the United States since the, or against the United States, since the Jonathan Pollard scandal of 1987, when a U.S. Army contractor, he's actually working for the Navy, revealed classified information to the Israeli government.

00:30:49.000 He was prosecuted by the United States government and ended up in prison for almost 30 years.

00:30:54.000 And so Israel since then has not spied on the United States with Mossad.

00:30:58.000 But in any case, even if you don't believe Natalie Bennett, that's fine.

00:31:00.000 The United States government says this isn't true.

00:31:03.000 Okay, Dan Bongino and Cash Matello and J.D. Vance and the president of the United States say this is not true.

00:31:09.000 But Tucker is going to throw it out there as though he knows something.

00:31:12.000 And so all I would ask is, okay, if you're so certain, show me the evidence.

00:31:16.000 I'm asking him the same thing that I'm asking Pam Bondi.

00:31:19.000 Show me the evidence or lack thereof.

00:31:21.000 Right?

00:31:21.000 That's how you answer questions.

00:31:23.000 If you're going to ask a question, you have to demand an answer to that question.

00:31:26.000 Otherwise, you're not asking a question.

00:31:27.000 You're positing a theory without any evidence and calling it a question because you stick a question mark at the end of it. 0.99

00:31:33.000 Did you rape your dog? 0.99

00:31:35.000 Did you rape your family dog? 1.00

00:31:37.000 And then no matter what anyone says, well, you probably did. 1.00

00:31:39.000 You know what?

00:31:40.000 I know you did.

00:31:41.000 I know 100% you did.

00:31:42.000 That's not just asking questions.

00:31:45.000 That would be positing a theory, a specious and terrible theory without evidence.

00:31:48.000 Here is Tucker doing just that.

00:31:51.000 And moreover, it's extremely obvious to anyone who watches that this guy had direct connections to a foreign government.

00:31:58.000 Now, no one's allowed to say that their foreign government is Israel because we have been somehow cowed into thinking that that's naughty.

00:32:08.000 There is nothing wrong with saying that.

00:32:10.000 There is nothing hateful about saying that.

00:32:13.000 There's nothing anti-Semitic about saying that.

00:32:14.000 There's nothing even anti-Israel about saying that.

00:32:18.000 Okay, well, I mean, if you have evidence, that's true.

00:32:21.000 If you have no evidence and you're just throwing that out there, then it starts to look at the very least non-journalistic and not truth-bearing.

00:32:29.000 He continued to double Down on this, of course.

00:32:30.000 And again, remember: in the end, this is not really about Mossad.

00:32:35.000 In the end, what this is really about for Tucker Carlson is who's covering it up?

00:32:40.000 It wasn't Israel that was prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein.

00:32:43.000 Jeffrey Epstein is an American citizen.

00:32:44.000 It was the United States government that was prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein.

00:32:47.000 So, again, if Tucker would just like to say that the Trump administration is actively covering up a sex grooming ring, a child sex trafficking ring on behalf of a foreign government, why doesn't he say President Trump's name or J.D. Vance's name or Cash Patel's name or Dan Bongino's name or Pam Bonnie's name?

00:33:01.000 He knows all those names.

00:33:02.000 He knows all those people.

00:33:04.000 Here he was with Charlie Kirk on stage.

00:33:06.000 The real scandal here is who he was working for and where the money came from.

00:33:11.000 That's the actual scandal.

00:33:13.000 And no one will say anything about it because the answer.

00:33:15.000 Was it American intelligence?

00:33:17.000 No.

00:33:17.000 Was it Saudi intelligence?

00:33:18.000 Was it British intelligence?

00:33:19.000 It was Israeli intelligence.

00:33:21.000 And everyone's embarrassed to say that because you're like, you're not allowed to say that or something because you're a hater, but you're not a hater at all.

00:33:29.000 Not a hater at all when you just throw out theories without any evidence whatsoever.

00:33:34.000 And by the way, again, avoiding the chief point, which is let's assume that Tucker's right.

00:33:37.000 Let's assume that it was Mossad.

00:33:39.000 Okay, that means the United States government is complicit on behalf of Mossad in a child rape scandal.

00:33:44.000 Who is the United States government?

00:33:45.000 Donald J. Trump.

00:33:46.000 So, Tucker, just say it.

00:33:48.000 Just say it.

00:33:49.000 Weird, you won't.

00:33:51.000 Strange. 0.92

00:33:52.000 Almost cowardly, actually.

00:33:54.000 And then you double down again with another TPUSA personality named Alex Clark.

00:33:58.000 Do you agree with Candace Owens that the reason we are not going to see the client list is because Israel is implicated?

00:34:05.000 Israel is implicated.

00:34:07.000 I just was going to say that.

00:34:08.000 I mean, the former prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, lived at Epstein's townhouse on and off for years.

00:34:17.000 And so absolutely. 0.96

00:34:22.000 Okay, so the fact that Ehud Barak, who is a complete scuzzbag, Ehud Barak is terrible. 0.99

00:34:27.000 He's awful.

00:34:28.000 The fact that he was involved with Epstein no more implicates Mossad than the fact that a huge number of prominent people in the United States were involved with Epstein implicates the CIA or President Trump.

00:34:40.000 President Trump knew Jeffrey Epstein.

00:34:42.000 So if you want to make that claim, just make it.

00:34:44.000 But I noticed again, you're not.

00:34:47.000 This, of course, culminated in Tucker suggesting that I don't even want to ask the questions.

00:34:51.000 Again, I'm fine with whatever questions you want to ask as long as you demand actual evidence for the answers.

00:34:56.000 If you ask a question and then any evidence provided is dismissed in favor of your favorite pet theory, you're not seeking answers.

00:35:02.000 You are positing a theory.

00:35:04.000 That's all.

00:35:05.000 Anybody who asks obvious questions like, hey, were you running a sexual blackmail scheme in my country? 1.00

00:35:11.000 Shut up, says Ben Shapiro. 1.00

00:35:12.000 You're an anti-Semite. 1.00

00:35:13.000 Well, no, I'm not.

00:35:14.000 Why is that not a fair question?

00:35:15.000 There's tons of evidence this is happening.

00:35:17.000 Like, are you joking?

00:35:18.000 You're not going to shout me down, by the way, at this point.

00:35:20.000 I spent four years being shouted down by the left for asking, I thought, pretty reasonable questions.

00:35:27.000 I have always felt very moderate.

00:35:28.000 I'm not a hater at all.

00:35:31.000 And I'm not going to become one.

00:35:33.000 And I don't think my questions are insane. 0.99

00:35:35.000 They may be stupid, but if they're stupid, then just speak slowly so I can understand as you answer them. 1.00

00:35:42.000 Okay. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Here it is, slowly.

00:35:45.000 If you are asking a question, but demanding no answer to that question, and any evidence that contradicts your pet theory is dismissed, you are not asking a question. 0.98

00:35:57.000 You are positing a theory of your own, but don't have the balls to say the thing you want to say, which is that Donald J. Trump, the president of the United States, is in fact covering up a child rape ring. 0.92

00:36:11.000 That's as slowly as I've ever talked on the show and slower than I will ever talk again. 0.98

00:36:15.000 That is the thing that I am saying.

00:36:17.000 And by the way, I've never called Tucker Carlson an anti-Semite.

00:36:20.000 I actually haven't.

00:36:21.000 Go back, look through the record.

00:36:23.000 It's never a thing that's happened.

00:36:25.000 He's throwing that out there as a red herring to the fact that he is saying things that he does not have the capacity to back up, period.

00:36:31.000 And this is all part, again, of a sort of broader demoralization effort that is happening on parts of the right.

00:36:37.000 President Trump is right about this.

00:36:39.000 When President Trump says there have been an enormous number of wins under his administration, that is true.

00:36:43.000 There are an enormous number of wins under President Trump's administration.

00:36:48.000 That's just a fact.

00:36:49.000 But there are a number of people, particularly Tucker, who make a living off of suggesting that there is nothing whatsoever that you can do to actually fix the country, fix your life, or make things better.

00:36:59.000 Well, meanwhile, President Trump continues to win actual victories, not cosmetic victories or appetizers, actual victories.

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00:38:09.000 So here's Tucker Carlson suggesting that President Trump's wins on Title IX, defending girls from boys in sports and shutting down the trans, the transing of the kids on a federal level. 0.74

00:38:22.000 Here's Tucker suggesting that that's totally meaningless and then moving on to a series of problems for again, which he will not name an actual solution because he's not interested in solutions.

00:38:31.000 He's interested only in running down the United States, most prominently, including even when President Trump is the president of the United States.

00:38:39.000 If you deny people what they actually want long enough and instead substitute things that you claim they should want, like bombing Iran, you know, I mean, I'm not, whatever, I'm not for Iran, where you spend all day telling me that it's so important that, you know, boys not playing girls' soccer teams or whatever. 0.94

00:39:00.000 I agree.

00:39:00.000 I hate the tranny stuff passionately.

00:39:03.000 I think you should keep the boys off girls' soccer teams, but I don't know.

00:39:09.000 It kind of feels like you're feeding me appetizers.

00:39:12.000 At some point, I want to look around and see a better country.

00:39:16.000 I want to see a country I recognize.

00:39:17.000 I don't want to see people sleeping on the sidewalk.

00:39:20.000 I don't see people ODing on drugs.

00:39:22.000 I want to know where those drugs coming from.

00:39:24.000 Why can't you stop it?

00:39:25.000 You've got the U.S. military.

00:39:26.000 Don't you have SEAL Team 6?

00:39:27.000 Like, what are they doing today?

00:39:28.000 Don't you have Delta Force?

00:39:30.000 You could give me another segment about how impressive the U.S. military is.

00:39:33.000 I believe you.

00:39:34.000 Why aren't they employed to make my country better?

00:39:37.000 Why are my cities disgusting?

00:39:38.000 I don't want to go there. 0.97

00:39:39.000 It smells like weed and halal food.

00:39:42.000 And you're lecturing me about how it's a great moral victory that I kicked the boys off the girl socketing.

00:39:48.000 Good.

00:39:48.000 I'm so glad.

00:39:49.000 But let's do the real stuff, like making New York livable.

00:39:52.000 Okay, so we can stop there.

00:39:53.000 What is the real stuff he's talking about?

00:39:55.000 Seriously, what is the real stuff?

00:39:56.000 And who's the president of the United States whose name he will not mention?

00:39:59.000 For some reason, he treats the president of the United States.

00:40:03.000 He sort of treats him as though he is Voldemort.

00:40:06.000 If you say his name, he will appear.

00:40:08.000 But all the things he's saying right here are condemning the president of the United States.

00:40:11.000 Let's just be very clear about this.

00:40:12.000 When he says that people are being distracted by bombing Iran, who's the one who bombed Iran?

00:40:16.000 The president of the United States.

00:40:18.000 When he says it's a distraction to get the boys out of the girls' sports, which is not a distraction, it is a major issue in the United States that we ended the trans threat to truth and reality. 0.98

00:40:28.000 When he says that, who did that?

00:40:29.000 That was Donald J. Trump.

00:40:30.000 And then he says he's feeding appetizers, but he wants a country, he says, where people aren't sleeping on the sidewalks, which, by the way, is typically a local and state issue where people aren't ODing on drugs.

00:40:40.000 And then he says, why can't you stop it?

00:40:42.000 You've got the U.S. military.

00:40:43.000 Don't you have SEAL Team 6?

00:40:44.000 I have a question.

00:40:45.000 Is Tucker in favor of using SEAL Team 6 to go after the Mexican drug cartels?

00:40:49.000 I kind of am.

00:40:50.000 So I would love to know if Tucker is in favor of an interventionist conflict in Mexico in order to take out the Mexican drug cartels.

00:40:56.000 Really?

00:40:57.000 Like, is he?

00:40:58.000 If so, he should probably spell it out.

00:41:00.000 But notice there's never a solution.

00:41:01.000 He doesn't even have anybody on to discuss these problems on his show.

00:41:04.000 He will never talk about how to solve the problems.

00:41:06.000 This is why I say it's about demoralization.

00:41:08.000 It's about making you feel about the country because there is never a solution emerging from Tucker Carlson.

00:41:14.000 I'll give this to Zoran Mamdani, who I think is one of the worst people in American political history. 0.98

00:41:18.000 His solutions are absolute trash garbage, but at least he's offering some. 0.98

00:41:23.000 Tucker goes out there and doesn't offer any solutions at all. 1.00

00:41:27.000 Instead, Tucker goes out there and posits that everything is wrong in the world.

00:41:30.000 Every victory is in fact an appetizer or a loss.

00:41:33.000 In fact, he says, elites are using Iran as a distraction while they steal our money.

00:41:38.000 Who?

00:41:39.000 I have a question.

00:41:40.000 Who bombed Iran? 0.59

00:41:41.000 Why don't you say his name?

00:41:42.000 Say it.

00:41:42.000 I dare you.

00:41:44.000 I triple dog dare you.

00:41:45.000 The president of the United States is the one who pulled the trigger on the Iran attack, the most successful single foreign policy move of my lifetime. 0.91

00:41:51.000 Tucker Carlson said it would lead to World War III, catastrophic loss of American life. 0.96

00:41:56.000 All of that was absolutely wrong and not just wrong, but yes, dumb because it was based in specious information. 0.90

00:42:04.000 But he won't say the president's name. 0.89

00:42:05.000 Here we go.

00:42:07.000 How about just a middle class life?

00:42:10.000 Can they like get married young as I did and like have four kids and you know, take a couple jobs, work hard and all that stuff?

00:42:18.000 But in the end, it's like, fine.

00:42:19.000 Can they do that?

00:42:20.000 Or is that like so remote a possibility that you need to tell me that Iran is the real threat? 0.98

00:42:26.000 Take my mind off the fact that you stole the money and screwed up my country beyond recognition. 0.99

00:42:33.000 Oh, stole all your money and screwed up. 0.97

00:42:35.000 Iran is, who is he talking about there? 0.98

00:42:37.000 The president of the United States is the one who authorized the strike on Iran.

00:42:41.000 Did he steal your money and screw up your country beyond recognition?

00:42:44.000 Who was it exactly?

00:42:46.000 He uses a lot of they language, I noticed, without specifying who it is that we are talking about here, Tucker Carlson.

00:42:52.000 And can we be real about the economics for a second?

00:42:55.000 The reason that the middle middle class has declined in the United States is because the upper middle class has grown by leaps and bounds.

00:43:02.000 That is the actual reality.

00:43:05.000 The share of adults who live in middle class households has changed.

00:43:09.000 The share of adults who live in upper income households has picked that up.

00:43:14.000 That is the reality of change in economics over time in the United States.

00:43:19.000 In the United States, in 1970, according to the Census Bureau, 43% of Americans were in the top 20% by income group.

00:43:27.000 42% were in the middle 40 by income group.

00:43:31.000 By 2013, 51% of Americans were in the top 20%.

00:43:35.000 37% were in the middle 40%.

00:43:39.000 And only 12% were in the bottom 40% in terms of income.

00:43:44.000 So, in other words, this idea that the middle class can't get ahead.

00:43:47.000 And when Tucker Carlson does this, I'm just standing up for the poor middle class routine. 0.95

00:43:50.000 I would just like to point out that Tucker Carlson grew up Silver Spoon.

00:43:55.000 Whenever he talks about, will his kids be able to grow up in America?

00:43:57.000 Well, I mean, his son is the press secretary for the vice president of the United States.

00:44:00.000 So I feel like his kids are going to be okay.

00:44:02.000 The running down of America while the party that he supposedly backs is in power doing things that conservatives like is pretty astonishing, actually.

00:44:12.000 Tucker would then go on to just mirror the language of Alexander Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democratic socialists of America going after Bill Ackman, who he says was in league with Jeffrey Epstein now.

00:44:22.000 How do you know they're getting away with scams? 0.97

00:44:24.000 I'll tell you how, because they're useless and they're rich. 0.98

00:44:27.000 So how do you come to a place where some of the least impressive, most useless people who have no actual skills become billionaires? 0.98

00:44:37.000 How's that legitimate?

00:44:39.000 And by the way, if you ask this question, at least in Washington, it's like, oh, well, it sounds like you're a socialist.

00:44:45.000 Sounds like socialism.

00:44:47.000 Okay, I'm a socialist now.

00:44:48.000 All right.

00:44:49.000 I was a Qatari agent or a bigot. 0.98

00:44:51.000 Now I'm a socialist.

00:44:51.000 All right.

00:44:52.000 Leaving aside my committed socialism, can you answer the question?

00:44:56.000 How did Bill Ackman get $9 million billion dollars?

00:45:00.000 Bill Ackman, a pretty impressive guy?

00:45:02.000 I know Bill Ackman.

00:45:03.000 No.

00:45:06.000 Okay, so first of all, Tucker Carlson's judgment as to who's an impressive guy seems flawed considering that he believes Vladimir Putin, the prime minister of Qatar, and the president of Iran seem to all be very impressive guys, at least in his estimation.

00:45:19.000 Tucker Carlson, when he says, I'm not a socialist, and he sort of just dismisses that out of hand.

00:45:24.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:45:26.000 I'm not calling you a socialist.

00:45:27.000 I'm just saying that the things you're saying line up Perfectly, perfectly with Alexander Ocasio-Cortez.

00:45:33.000 The way that Bill Ackman made his money is through investment.

00:45:36.000 In fact, Bill Ackman put out a long thread yesterday explaining precisely how he made his money.

00:45:41.000 By the way, I love when Tucker says things like, well, he has no actual skill set.

00:45:45.000 Let's be real about this.

00:45:46.000 Tucker's in the same business that I'm in.

00:45:48.000 Hey, Tucker has a skill set.

00:45:50.000 Tucker's skill set is that he's incredibly articulate, he's quite brilliant, and he knows precisely what he is doing in order to get an audience.

00:45:56.000 And that's a skill set, and he has monetized that skill set.

00:45:59.000 How many jobs has Tucker Carlson created? 1.00

00:46:02.000 I would wager to say significantly fewer than Bill Ackman in the United States.

00:46:06.000 Why?

00:46:07.000 Because Bill Ackman has created enormous amounts of economic activity through investment.

00:46:11.000 To prepare a long post yesterday, Bill Ackman did, responding to Tucker, quote, Tucker Carlson went on a rant yesterday, at TPUSA, and suggested that I was in Jeffrey Epstein's constellation of people who have been getting away with scams.

00:46:23.000 His evidence is that the most useless people have no actual skills becoming billionaires.

00:46:27.000 He referred to me as an example of one of the most useless billionaires in Jeffrey Epstein's constellation.

00:46:32.000 In order to address Tucker's defamatory statements, I thought it would be useful to share a few facts.

00:46:36.000 I never met Jeffrey Epstein, flew on his planes, went to any of his parties and or properties, or interacted with him ever.

00:46:41.000 When my wife was a professor at MIT, she received a $125,000 grant from Epstein prior to my knowing of her existence.

00:46:47.000 She met Epstein once for 45 minutes at the request of the head of the MIT Media Lab, made a presentation about her work, and later got a grant.

00:46:53.000 That was the last time she ever met or spoke to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:46:56.000 If this is why Tucker thinks I am in Jeffrey Epstein's constellation, it's clear he doesn't know anything about astronomy.

00:47:01.000 With respect to how I generated a net worth of more than $9 billion, I share the following.

00:47:06.000 I inherited good genes from wonderful parents who instilled good values in me.

00:47:09.000 I never received an allowance, so I worked odd jobs washing and waxing cars, digging ditches, lawn and tree care, et cetera, for pocket money beginning when I was about 10.

00:47:16.000 My parents gave me a huge head start by paying for my education, including college and business school.

00:47:19.000 I paid for my housing and expenses, and they paid for my tuition.

00:47:22.000 I worked through college selling advertising for the Let's Go Harvard Student Travel Guides.

00:47:26.000 I learned a lot about sales, working in the basement of a dorm, smiling and dialing small hostels, hotels, and car rental companies around the world selling ads to strangers.

00:47:34.000 After college, says Bill Ackman, I went to work for my dad's real estate mortgage brokerage company.

00:47:38.000 I received a $40,000 draw and generated more than $600,000 in commissions in 18 months, making me one of the largest, if not the largest producer during my short term there.

00:47:46.000 I received only 15% of the commissions I generated, which contributed to my choosing to pursue an alternative career as an investor and went to business school to learn more about investing.

00:47:54.000 When I graduated from business school, my parents gave me $100,000 in a settler trust.

00:47:58.000 My dad said I would never inherit anything more as he wanted me to make it on my own.

00:48:02.000 The funds never left the trust and I don't include them in my net worth.

00:48:05.000 My good economic fortune comes largely from compounding.

00:48:07.000 That is, investing over the long term and building a successful investment business.

00:48:12.000 And then he goes on to talk about how exactly he did this and how he launched Pershing Square due to backing from Joe Steinberg and the incoming of Lucadia National Corporation, which in 2013 merged with another company.

00:48:24.000 And he talks about how he met him and how he invests.

00:48:26.000 And he says, my net worth today comes from three principal assets.

00:48:28.000 One, my initial investment in the Pershing Square funds has increased 56 times since Pershing Square's inception due to compounding.

00:48:34.000 I also increased my investment in the Pershing Square funds over time by reinvesting incentive fees, net of taxes that I earned from our investors.

00:48:41.000 And in 2017, during a rough patch, I doubled down by borrowing $300 million and investing more.

00:48:45.000 My investment in the Pershing Square funds today is worth about $2.5 billion.

00:48:49.000 Two, the management company, which employs me and the rest of Pershing Square, has become a very profitable business over time.

00:48:54.000 I started Pershing Square with Diminimus Capital.

00:48:56.000 We sold a 10% interest in the business last year to strategic investors at a $9.5 billion pre-money valuation.

00:49:02.000 I own about half of Pershing Square Management Company, the value of which grows as we compound the value of the funds we manage.

00:49:07.000 My interest in Pershing Square Management Company is worth about $6.5 billion today.

00:49:12.000 He says, while Tucker may believe investment management is a useless activity, I expect our investors would say otherwise.

00:49:18.000 Pershing Square has generated one of the best investment track records of any investment firm over the last 21 and a half years, generating 2.9 times the return of the S ⁇ P 500 over the same period net of all fees and expenses.

00:49:30.000 We've been an active and engaged investor since we launched and have played a major role in turning around poorly managed, troubled, and or bankrupt companies with Canadian Pacific Chipotle and general growth being good examples of this activity.

00:49:42.000 Okay, so again, pretty amazing stuff.

00:49:46.000 You know, the fact that the Tucker seems so overwhelmingly unhappy with the United States as run by Donald J. Trump and his administration is pretty astonishing.

00:49:59.000 Of course, his animus doesn't stop there.

00:50:00.000 He also went after Fox News, suggesting that Fox News is anti-Christian, which, again, is a very, very wild contention that Fox News is anti-Christian.

00:50:07.000 Fox News literally will pray in the name of Jesus on the air.

00:50:11.000 But apparently, according to Tucker, they're anti-Christian.

00:50:13.000 Why?

00:50:14.000 Well, we'll let him tell another TP USA personality.

00:50:18.000 She thought they were really anti-Christian.

00:50:20.000 Oh, really?

00:50:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:22.000 Do you agree?

00:50:22.000 Oh, of course.

00:50:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:24.000 Why do you say that?

00:50:25.000 It just makes them uncomfortable.

00:50:26.000 They're not comfortable with that at all.

00:50:28.000 If you said on Fox, which I don't think I ever did, I probably should have.

00:50:33.000 But like, hey, how are the Christians of the West Bank doing?

00:50:38.000 Like, how's Bethlehem doing?

00:50:39.000 Where Jesus was born?

00:50:40.000 The church in the Nativity.

00:50:42.000 It's got to be.

00:50:43.000 That's not the most sacred site in Christendom.

00:50:44.000 I'm not sure.

00:50:45.000 What is Jesus was born in Bethlehem?

00:50:47.000 It's the church of the Nativity.

00:50:49.000 Let's call the rector the church in the nativity and ask him what he thinks was Israeli occupation.

00:50:53.000 Just as a Christian, I think it's totally fair.

00:50:56.000 Whoa.

00:50:57.000 I mean, you'd be out of there.

00:51:01.000 Okay, so notice that the example that he uses as to Fox being anti-Christian is actually him being anti-Israel.

00:51:06.000 Okay, maybe the reason that Fox was not happy with Tucker if Tucker would have tried to do that is because what Tucker means by that is that he would have called up the Reverend Dr. Munther Isaac, who actually had on his show a few months back, I think last year, and allowed him to just spout nonsense about the Israeli occupation.

00:51:23.000 Okay, Dr. Munther Isaac, who was on Tucker's show and who didn't fact check for one single solitary second, operates within the Palestinian Authority and in coordination with the Palestinian Authority, the terrorist group that governs the West Bank that he's talking about, and that governs Bethlehem.

00:51:37.000 That particular person portrays Jesus as, quote, a Palestinian under occupation.

00:51:41.000 He refers to Israel as an apartheid state.

00:51:43.000 He holds a Christ at the Checkpoint conference, routinely featuring speakers who refer to Israel as illegitimate.

00:51:48.000 Okay, none of this has to do with Christianity.

00:51:50.000 He had nothing to say of substance about October 7th and said, quote, the biblical basis for Christian Zionism is as strong as the biblical basis for justifying, defending, and endorsing a genocide.

00:51:59.000 It is this simple about Christian Zionism? 0.90

00:52:01.000 Again, I'm using Munthar Isaac as the example of what Tucker is talking about since Tucker had him on his program.

00:52:07.000 At no point was it mentioned in that interview that Bethlehem was a majority Christian city in the early 20th century, and then, as Muslim Arabs crowded in, it was reduced to a small minority.

00:52:15.000 Nor is it mentioned in that interview that in April and May of 2002, during the second Intifada, Palestinian authority-linked terrorists, including Fatah terrorists, used the Church of the Nativity as a refuge after committing a full-scale terrorist attack and fired shots from it at Israeli troops.

00:52:32.000 At no point does Tucker talk about any of that.

00:52:35.000 He's never talked about the fact that Hamas imposed strict Sharia law in the Gaza Strip, reducing the Christian population to effectively near zero.

00:52:44.000 He's never mentioned the fact that land seizures by Muslims in Bethlehem are actually quite common and that in interpersonal disputes, the PA actually, well, supposedly being a secular law body, imposes Sharia law in many interpersonal disputes, delegitimizing Christians.

00:52:59.000 Again, maybe that's the idea that Fox News is anti-Christian is such an absurdity on its face.

00:53:06.000 But again, in the end, what is all of this about?

00:53:09.000 What is all this about?

00:53:10.000 Well, I don't know what the motive is.

00:53:12.000 I'm not going to attribute motives.

00:53:13.000 What I am going to say is it's demoralizing.

00:53:15.000 It's demoralizing.

00:53:16.000 Every Trump victory is apparently nothing.

00:53:19.000 Not only that, perhaps Trump is engaging in a sex ring cover-up, but he won't say it.

00:53:26.000 So here's my final point about the Epstein of it.

00:53:30.000 As I've said at this point, maybe a thousand times, Pam Bondi should do a full-scale press conference revealing everything she knew, everything she doesn't know, when she knew it, what the evidence is, and all the rest.

00:53:39.000 That's where transparency is good.

00:53:42.000 Baseless conspiracy theorizing based on no evidence said with great certainty is not in fact a question.

00:53:49.000 It is a theory you are positing.

00:53:51.000 And if you refuse to have that theory falsified in every way, it's not a theory anymore.

00:53:55.000 It's a religious belief.

00:53:57.000 Beyond that, if you're going to accuse the Trump administration of an active cover-up, of a child rape ring, you should just say it.

00:54:05.000 Honestly, if you're going to be, again, I will name Check Dave Smith because he was brave enough to just say it.

00:54:10.000 If Tucker believes the same thing as Dave Smith, he should just say it as well.

00:54:13.000 Otherwise, he's not telling the truth to his audience and he is hiding the ball.

00:54:17.000 And meanwhile, it turns out that the Trump administration continues to actually win like important victories, like actual real things happening, not appetizers, not demoralization, not ops.

00:54:31.000 So after the victory of the Big Beautiful bill in the House of Representatives and the Senate, Speaker Johnson said that Republicans have a responsibility of fixing every metric of public policy Democrats destroyed over the four years of the Biden-Harris administration.

00:54:45.000 He said this with Fox News anchor Maria Bartaromo.

00:54:49.000 He also contended members of his party are implementing a playbook designed to take advantage of the GOP controlling the House, Senate, and White House.

00:54:56.000 He said, the big, beautiful bill is the first big step.

00:54:58.000 We have multiple steps.

00:54:59.000 We have long planned at least two, possibly three reconciliation bills, one in the fall, one next spring, that would continue to allow us to do this on a partisan basis where we only need Republican votes and don't have to drag Democrats along.

00:55:10.000 And so he's looking forward to more bills coming out of the Congress.

00:55:14.000 Meanwhile, the State Department has been laying people off.

00:55:17.000 You want to talk about cutting into the deep state, laying people off the State Department is a huge part of this.

00:55:22.000 This, of course, led to a bunch of wokesters protesting at their own firing and pretending that they are great victims of the evil Trump purge. 0.83

00:55:30.000 And to those that have been riffed, to those that have been fired today, I just want to say I'm sorry.

00:55:39.000 And you have deserved better than this.

00:55:42.000 I think every single person, when you leave this building and you walk through those doors for the final time, you should do it with honor and dignity.

00:55:51.000 You should not do it out of humiliation and out of this type of weaponization of politics.

00:55:58.000 You deserve better.

00:56:01.000 People weeping openly in the streets.

00:56:04.000 Can we just be clear that the cuts here of about 1,300 people amount to less than 4% of the actual employee base at the State Department, which has in excess of 80,000 employees before this?

00:56:16.000 This is a good thing.

00:56:17.000 Cutting these gigantic government agencies down to size is a good thing.

00:56:21.000 That's not an appetizer.

00:56:22.000 It's a good thing.

00:56:24.000 Other good things.

00:56:24.000 The president of the United States, as I have said one million times at this point, lives in the world of reality.

00:56:29.000 Apparently, he is slated today to announce a new plan to arm Ukraine that is expected to include offensive weaponry, according to Axios.

00:56:35.000 So why is it important that the president is authorizing more Patriot missiles being sent to Ukraine?

00:56:40.000 I asked our friends and sponsors over at Perplexity, what is the Patriot missile defense system?

00:56:44.000 Is it offensive or defensive?

00:56:46.000 And here's what they say.

00:56:47.000 The Patriot missile system, MIM-104 Patriot, is a sophisticated, mobile, surface-to-air missile system developed by Raytheon and primarily used by the United States Army and several allied nations.

00:56:56.000 It is designed to detect, track, and intercept a variety of aerial threats, including tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, advanced aircraft, and drones and loitering munitions.

00:57:05.000 And typically, the Patriot battery consists of missiles, launchers, a radar set, an engagement control station, power generation units, and an antenna mast groove.

00:57:14.000 And essentially, what it does is it tracks incoming threats, and then it identifies targets, and then the launcher fires a missile, which is guided toward the target by radar and onboard systems.

00:57:22.000 This is really important for Ukraine right now because Russia has been sending extraordinarily large barrages of both cruise missiles and drones into populated centers in the west of Ukraine.

00:57:32.000 President Trump recognizes that Vladimir Putin has been basically stringing him along so that he can continue escalating his attacks on Ukraine.

00:57:40.000 And if you want Putin to come to the table, you have to engage in actual shipping of weaponry that is useful to Ukraine.

00:57:46.000 Senator Lindsey Graham pointed this out over the weekend.

00:57:50.000 Dick and I have got 85 co-sponsors in the United States Senate for congressional sanctions with a sledgehammer available to President Trump to go after Putin's economy and all those countries who prop up the Putin war machine.

00:58:04.000 And this congressional package that we're looking at would give President Trump the ability to impose 500 percent tariff on any country that helps Russia and props up Putin's war machine.

00:58:17.000 He can dial it up or down.

00:58:18.000 He can go to zero to 500.

00:58:20.000 He has maximum flexibility.

00:58:22.000 But we're going after the people who keep Putin in business and additional sanctions on Russia itself.

00:58:30.000 This is truly a sledgehammer available to President Trump to end this war.

00:58:36.000 Okay, so meanwhile, China is getting more and more aggressive.

00:58:40.000 Obviously, China continues to increase its presence in the Pacific.

00:58:44.000 The United States is moving to counter that under the Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

00:58:48.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, China's military is extending its reach deeper into the Pacific, sending ships and aircraft into new territory in a push that has spurred the United States to strengthen defenses and alliances in the region.

00:58:59.000 That, of course, is a good move by the Trump administration.

00:59:01.000 A lot of the trade war is directed at boxing China in, which is a worthwhile thing. 1.00

00:59:06.000 It also means that we should be pursuing closer relations with places like the Philippines, like Japan, like South Korea, all the countries that effectively ring China geographically.

00:59:16.000 Meanwhile, the president continues to do well with his economics, despite the sort of ballast of the tariff war that has continued under President Trump.

00:59:26.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the economic fallout from President Trump's policies may prove less dire than feared.

00:59:32.000 Economists expect stronger growth and job creation, lower risk of recession, and cooler inflation than they did three months ago, according to the Wall Street Journal's quarterly survey of professional forecasters.

00:59:40.000 The reason the Journal's previous survey was conducted at the height of the president's threat to impose eye-watering tariffs on America's biggest trading partners.

00:59:47.000 He paused some of those tariffs shortly thereafter.

00:59:51.000 And this is right.

00:59:52.000 The president is still engaging in certain tariff activity that is likely to boost prices in those sectors.

00:59:56.000 So for example, he put a 50% tariff on copper imports.

01:00:00.000 Kevin Hassett, the director of the National Council of Economic Advisors, here was Kevin Hassett explaining.

01:00:06.000 The bottom line is that if there is a time of war, then we need to have the metals that we need to produce American weapons.

01:00:13.000 And copper is a key component in many American weapons.

01:00:17.000 And so as we look forward to the threats that America faces, the president decided that we have plenty of copper in the U.S., but not enough copper production.

01:00:24.000 And that's why he's taken this strong step.

01:00:28.000 Now, again, the reality is we get most of our copper at this point from Chile, so I'm not sure that this is a necessary step.

01:00:32.000 And will it provide, again, some ballast on the growth of the economy?

01:00:36.000 Sure.

01:00:36.000 But so far, markets have been shrugging this off, largely because after many of these big announcements are made, there is a move by the Trump administration to actually shave off the rough edges, which is what the markets are appreciating right now.

01:00:49.000 They're recognizing that in the end, the administration does not want to undercut its own economic position.

01:00:53.000 President Trump may have a predilection toward tariffs, a predilection I do not share, as I've made very clear on this program many times, actually.

01:01:01.000 But in the end, the policy that is emerging is not the original policy that is, in fact, articulated.

01:01:08.000 And meanwhile, on immigration, President Trump continues to win.

01:01:12.000 On immigration, President Trump has suggested that he has a new plan for migrant workers, but it is not, in fact, amnesty.

01:01:18.000 According to Axios, President Trump's immigration crackdown has put his administration between a MAGA rock and a special interest hardplace.

01:01:25.000 Trying to balance those competing interests, the Department of Labor has created the Office of Immigration policy.

01:01:29.000 It's designed to be a red tape-cutting one-stop shop to help employers get faster approval for temporary worker visas for non-citizen labor.

01:01:37.000 The Office of Immigration policy has no stats on how many employers it plans to work with.

01:01:40.000 Officials say it will have a customer-centered policy with employers.

01:01:44.000 Now, you can disagree with this policy, but a senior administration official says this is not amnesty.

01:01:49.000 It is not amnesty-like.

01:01:50.000 No one who is here illegally is being given a pathway to citizenship or residency.

01:01:54.000 So essentially, it is a bit of a work program.

01:01:57.000 You can agree with it or disagree with it.

01:01:59.000 I think there's a strong case actually both ways on this particular issue.

01:02:03.000 However, the one thing that is absolutely clear is that the resistance from the left is failing and failing dramatically politically.

01:02:09.000 I mean, when you have Mayor Karen Bass, one of the worst mayors in the country, calling on law enforcement to require that Border Patrol give over raid information in advance because the other day the Trump administration raided a marijuana farm employing underage illegal immigrant labor.

01:02:27.000 Like this is not going to fly politically for the Democrats.

01:02:30.000 So the executive directive that I will be signing in a few minutes is to help the city family, to help the city workforce, to help the city departments and all of the general managers essentially develop preparedness plans that have specific protocols and that help city workers know how to address immigration officials should they approach a city department.

01:02:59.000 And we are submitting a FOIA Freedom of Information Act requests regarding the dates and locations of all enforcement activities in Los Angeles.

01:03:10.000 I mean, unbelievable.

01:03:11.000 Unbelievable.

01:03:11.000 And this, of course, follows hard on the LA City Council member Imelda Padilla asking LAPD's chief to give immigrants a head up on ICE.

01:03:19.000 So basically she's now saying that she wants Border Patrol to give a head up to illegal immigrants on ICE raids.

01:03:25.000 I'm asking a creativity question here.

01:03:28.000 What can your department do to do more to warn us, to warn the business community that outside of our LA borders, coming in from Inglewood, coming in from Anilo Valley, I don't know, you can warn us so that we can warn our folks in the spirit of your loyalty to the city of Los Angeles?

01:03:49.000 So you're asking me to warn you about an enforcement action being taken by another agency before it happens?

01:03:55.000 Yeah.

01:03:56.000 Yeah, we can't do that.

01:03:57.000 Why not?

01:03:58.000 That would be obstruction to justice.

01:03:59.000 You may want to talk to the city attorney about that.

01:04:04.000 So again, this is the approach of the left.

01:04:06.000 Okay, if this is your approach on these issues, then may I suggest that things are not going particularly well for you, honestly, if you are the left at this point.

01:04:13.000 So, I mean, it is a lot of victories for the Trump administration, despite what those who would demoralize Trump supporters have to say about all of that.

01:04:20.000 Meanwhile, it is one year since the attempted assassination of the president of the United States in Butler, Pennsylvania.

01:04:26.000 President Trump gave an interview in which he says, listen, there's been an investigation.

01:04:29.000 I was satisfied by the briefing from Secret Service.

01:04:31.000 Here's what he had to say.

01:04:34.000 So they briefed me numerous times.

01:04:37.000 The FBI, the Secret Service, sort of everybody.

01:04:43.000 DOJ, Pamela's doing a fantastic, I think she's doing a fantastic job.

01:04:48.000 But they briefed me, and I'm satisfied with it.

01:04:51.000 I'm satisfied with it.

01:04:53.000 They should have had somebody in the building.

01:04:55.000 That was a mistake.

01:04:56.000 They should have had communications with the local police.

01:04:59.000 They weren't tied in.

01:05:01.000 And they should have been tied in.

01:05:02.000 So there were mistakes made, and that shouldn't have happened.

01:05:06.000 And that building was a prime building in terms of what they were trying to do.

01:05:12.000 But I was satisfied in terms of the bigger plot, the larger plot, I was satisfied.

01:05:21.000 Okay, so again, that's President Trump, I think, taking a pretty solid view of what happened.

01:05:27.000 This is why when people say, well, you know, he's covering up investigations, President Trump.

01:05:30.000 Okay, well, the investigation into his own assassination attempt.

01:05:33.000 He's saying, listen, they did a review.

01:05:34.000 I accept the review.

01:05:36.000 All right.

01:05:37.000 Senator Rand Paul has been on the warpath about all of this.

01:05:40.000 He says the Secret Service didn't want to assess blame when it came to all of this in the first place.

01:05:45.000 I think it was a cultural cover-up for the agency.

01:05:48.000 They did not want to assess blame.

01:05:49.000 They did not want to look internally, and they wanted to discount any of their actions that might have led to this.

01:05:55.000 This was a cover-your sort of moment, and I do believe that they did know.

01:06:00.000 There's no way that the director of Secret Service, that she did not know that these requests have been made.

01:06:05.000 And so, yes, it was a huge failure.

01:06:10.000 Okay, so he's right.

01:06:11.000 Of course, it was a huge failure.

01:06:13.000 Six Secret Service agents have now been placed on probationary leave.

01:06:16.000 And of course, the leadership of Secret Service has changed.

01:06:19.000 Worth noting here that, you know, despite all the talk about how Iran apparently has the best of intentions with regard to the United States, we've learned that from certain high-profile figures interviewing the president of Iran, an ally of the Iranian Supreme Leader over the weekend joked that Iran could assassinate President Trump at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, because this is what you joke about, obviously.

01:06:37.000 Mohamed Javad Larojani, a regime figure and advisor to Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khomeini, said Trump can no longer sunbathe in Mar-a-Lago because while he's lying down, a micro-drone might target and strike him right in the navel.

01:06:48.000 He laughed as he made the remark on Iranian television on July 9th, talking about the magic of Iranian drone technology.

01:06:56.000 So yes, these are people who are our best of friends with President Trump, obviously.

01:06:59.000 All righty, folks, the show continues for our members right now.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 14, 2025

The Biden Autopen Scandal Breaks WIDE OPEN

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