The Ben Shapiro Show - The Book Burners Are Here | Ep. 1207

00:00:00.000 Six Dr. Seuss books are removed from circulation, liberals make excuses for newfangled book burning, and Texas and Mississippi reopen.

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00:01:33.000 Dr. Seuss has now been canceled. 0.99

00:01:35.000 And don't listen to all the idiots out there who are saying, well, you know, he's not really canceled. 0.99

00:01:39.000 You can still get some Dr. Seuss books. 1.00

00:01:41.000 Right.

00:01:42.000 So they canceled like six Dr. Seuss books. 0.95

00:01:44.000 The arguments that we are saying, which we'll get to in just a second, in favor of canceling these Dr. Seuss books are asinine, ridiculous, backwards, and fully demonstrative of the kind of values that the left would love to cram down on your children. 0.75

00:01:55.000 More importantly, Well, not more importantly, just as importantly, they are fully demonstrative of the fact that liberals have collapsed almost completely into leftism. 0.91

00:02:04.000 See, I always make the distinction on the show between liberals and leftists.

00:02:07.000 Liberals are people who disagree with me about taxes and about abortion, and leftists are people who disagree with me about all those things and want to destroy individual rights in order to pursue utopia.

00:02:15.000 Liberals don't have to be leftists.

00:02:17.000 In fact, liberals could just disagree with me about the extent to which government ought to lend a helping hand and such.

00:02:23.000 But what has been happening is that liberals have decided that they are going to collapse full-scale into leftism.

00:02:27.000 They're going to go right along with the utopian dreams of the left.

00:02:30.000 Because as I've been saying for, at this point, years, the liberals have a choice.

00:02:34.000 They can either make common cause with conservatism and stand up for individual rights, but their job becomes a little bit harder in terms of pursuing their policy goals because conservatives oppose those policy goals.

00:02:44.000 So, preserve the rights, but you have to fight a longer, harder slog in order to achieve your policy goals.

00:02:49.000 Or, you can throw over the individual rights, move along with the left, achieve your policy goals, but ditch the right.

00:02:54.000 And the left And the liberals have decided, it looks like, to make common cause more often than not these days.

00:03:00.000 There are a few old school liberals who are objecting to the hardcore cancel culture left, but not many.

00:03:08.000 Not many.

00:03:09.000 And by the way, what you're seeing is what the left likes to do, which is water down terms like cancel culture to mean anything.

00:03:14.000 You see this on the right too, sometimes people will use cancel culture to apply to things that are not in fact cancel culture.

00:03:19.000 But cancel culture does have a meaning.

00:03:21.000 And that meaning is that people go after you and your career.

00:03:24.000 They look to destroy your life based on a view that is relatively mainstream and or something that you did a long time ago that is not controversial.

00:03:33.000 Or at least has not been controversial for years.

00:03:36.000 Resurfacing old tweets in order to go after you.

00:03:38.000 And going after your employment.

00:03:40.000 And going after your individual rights.

00:03:41.000 And unpersoning you.

00:03:43.000 That is cancel culture, and we are watching it happen full-scale with Dr. Seuss now.

00:03:47.000 And people on the left are doing this routinely.

00:03:49.000 Why do you even care?

00:03:51.000 There are certain cultural indicators that show a society is in a state of cultural collapse.

00:03:56.000 And this is just a major cultural indicator.

00:03:57.000 It is.

00:03:58.000 Dr. Seuss is a major cultural figure in America.

00:04:00.000 In fact, Dr. Seuss is, according to most estimates, the second highest-earning dead person in the United States.

00:04:05.000 It goes Michael Jackson and then Dr. Seuss.

00:04:07.000 Dr. Seuss' estate earned some $33 million last year from the sale of his books.

00:04:12.000 He is the best-selling children's author in American history.

00:04:14.000 It is not particularly close.

00:04:16.000 And now, you see the left coming after Dr. Seuss and canceling some of his books.

00:04:20.000 And when people say, well, he has other books.

00:04:21.000 Yes, Mark Twain had other books.

00:04:22.000 That is not a reason to cancel Huckleberry Finn.

00:04:25.000 You don't get to cancel things just because you don't happen to like them.

00:04:29.000 And again, I'm wondering, can you name a person, a human, who's been damaged by a Dr. Seuss book?

00:04:35.000 Because I can name millions of people whose lives have been bettered by Dr. Seuss books.

00:04:39.000 Hundreds of millions of Americans have grown up on Dr. Seuss books.

00:04:42.000 Can you name a single person who became more racist as a result of reading a Dr. Seuss book?

00:04:47.000 Seriously, can you name one?

00:04:49.000 The answer, of course, is no.

00:04:50.000 But that doesn't matter, because we now operate under a system in which if anyone even claims offense, this means all of society has to change and reflect their particular whims.

00:05:00.000 And this goes back to the discussion we've been having over the past few weeks of expressive individualism.

00:05:03.000 We now are a society that values your internal feelings To such an extent that if we refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy or justification of those feelings, then this means we are imposing on you.

00:05:13.000 So if you feel a sense of discomfort at one picture from a Dr. Seuss book, the entire society has to cancel that Dr. Seuss book so as to make you feel better, because otherwise we are crimping your style, we are invading your individualism, and after all, that expressive individualism is who you are.

00:05:27.000 It is a crime against your identity.

00:05:29.000 It's just the same kind of crime against your identity as if somebody refused to serve you because you're black at a restaurant, as if we don't cancel a Dr. Seuss book because you feel sort of uncomfortable because some people read a Dr. Seuss book.

00:05:40.000 This is where we have come as a society.

00:05:43.000 And we have now gotten to the point where we don't need government to cram this down.

00:05:45.000 This is not a matter of government.

00:05:46.000 This is a matter of an intolerant, bizarre culture that has decided to buy full scale into this definition of atomistic individualism governing all of society.

00:05:55.000 That is what we have decided as a society.

00:05:56.000 We are getting people to preemptively cancel themselves, because that's actually what happened here.

00:06:00.000 According to the AP, six Dr. Seuss books, including And To Think I Saw It on Mulberry Street, which was his first major work, and If I Ran the Zoo, which is a great book.

00:06:08.000 Okay, I'm sorry, but If I Ran the Zoo is a great book.

00:06:10.000 And name the person who read If I Ran the Zoo and came away thinking, well, you know, Hate Asian people now!

00:06:15.000 Because if I ran the zoo, it has a picture of some Asian people carrying an exotic animal on their back, and Gerald McGrew, young Gerald McGrew, riding on top of the cage that holds the animal. 0.87

00:06:25.000 Obviously, this is young, white Gerald McGrew making those Asian people subservient.

00:06:30.000 No one has ever, honestly, come by that opinion.

00:06:32.000 No one.

00:06:33.000 Okay, the only way you come by that opinion is if some woke jackass decides that they are going to make it an issue, and then shame you into believing that that's what that page is about.

00:06:43.000 I've read that book to my kids probably a hundred times.

00:06:45.000 That has never once occurred to me. 0.97

00:06:46.000 And by the way, it's never occurred to anyone, except for this tiny group of malcontents who believe that culture ought to be essentially made subservient to their dumbass, over-sensitive feelings. 0.99

00:06:58.000 It's ridiculous. 0.98

00:06:59.000 So they are canceling.

00:07:00.000 And the thing I saw on Mulberry Street, and if I ran the zoo, it will stop being published at all.

00:07:04.000 You cannot get them anymore.

00:07:05.000 They've made them into samizdat, which is forbidden literature in the Soviet Union.

00:07:09.000 You're not allowed to even get them anymore.

00:07:12.000 Honestly, I think that we should... I'm very rarely into the idea of government regulation, but the idea of trademark and copyright were provided specifically in order to provide so that nobody could take advantage of your intellectual property.

00:07:25.000 You write a book, nobody gets to infringe upon your copyright until a certain time has passed since your death.

00:07:31.000 And at that point, then it becomes open to anyone.

00:07:36.000 But the purpose of copyright was to ensure that things are published, because why would you publish your work if somebody could just copy it?

00:07:41.000 Copyright was not designed in order so you could suppress material.

00:07:46.000 Copyright was not designed so that I could buy up somebody's copyright and then just kill it.

00:07:51.000 So perhaps we ought to rethink.

00:07:52.000 I mean, this is federal regulation, right?

00:07:56.000 Part of the Constitution of the United States involves patenting copyright.

00:07:59.000 Perhaps there ought to be a piece of regulation that says that if you take a piece of literature off the market for more than two years, then it becomes public domain.

00:08:09.000 Because otherwise, what you're going to have is exactly what you're seeing right here, which is Dr. Seuss Enterprises, who own the intellectual property of Dr. Seuss, literally just taking the books off the shelves.

00:08:17.000 If I ran, the zoo was going for $1,500 a copy yesterday, which makes it a better investment than the U.S.

00:08:22.000 dollar at this point.

00:08:25.000 It's absurd, and it is book-burning.

00:08:28.000 I mean, what we are watching right now is book-burning.

00:08:30.000 And you can call it whatever you want, but the only difference is that you're not actively taking a physical book and burning it.

00:08:36.000 Because all it takes now to cancel a book, to burn a book, is just a couple IT guys and a delete button.

00:08:40.000 This is the danger of digitization, which we'll get to in just one second.

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00:10:02.000 Okay, so, Dr. Seuss Enterprises told the Associated Press in a statement, quote, these books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong.

00:10:08.000 These books were written in like 1940s, 1950s America.

00:10:13.000 The notion that you are deeply offended 80 years later by something that was drawn then, we're not talking about in Der Schirmer, We are not talking about in the local KKK newspaper.

00:10:23.000 We are talking about in a children's book that have been read by millions and millions of people.

00:10:27.000 And no one of serious mind has ever been offended by this stuff.

00:10:31.000 I mean, let's just be real about this.

00:10:32.000 The depiction of Asian people in And To Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street has offended precisely zero people over the course of time.

00:10:40.000 It has faux offended a lot of people because we live in a society where you're granted a sort of moral credibility by claiming you're a member of a victimized minority.

00:10:48.000 And in order to prove you're a member of a victimized minority, you have to claim victimhood.

00:10:51.000 But Dr. Seuss has not victimized you and children reading these books has not victimized you, obviously.

00:10:56.000 But because digital book burning is so easy, all you have to do is hit that delete button and boom, the book is gone.

00:11:00.000 Buy hard copies of everything.

00:11:03.000 In the future, the only people who are going to have access to books are the Orthodox Jews who bought them so they could read them on Sabbath to their kids. 0.98

00:11:09.000 Physical copies matter.

00:11:10.000 By the way, they're going to do this with movies, too.

00:11:12.000 If you think that the digitization process, which, by the way, was the single greatest, I mean, exponential explosion of information availability to the general public in human history, That has now been completely reversed.

00:11:25.000 What we are now going to watch is digitization, which makes it incredibly easy to disappear material, is going to become the method by which they just disappear things.

00:11:32.000 You will have bought a copy of Dumbo from Amazon Prime like three years ago, and one day you will just go on to Amazon Prime and it'll just be gone.

00:11:40.000 It'll be as though you never bought it.

00:11:41.000 It'll just be disappeared.

00:11:43.000 You'll have bought a copy of Ryan Anderson's book on your Kindle and it'll just be gone.

00:11:47.000 As though it had never happened in the first place.

00:11:49.000 Digitization makes it super easy to disappear dissenting ideas.

00:11:53.000 Which is why you should always buy hard copies of the things that you love by the DVD of the movies you love because they can't come in your house and grab it and burn it.

00:12:00.000 At least, not yet.

00:12:01.000 But the bigger story here is that you have a culture that pressures creators into censoring their own works.

00:12:08.000 And pressures estates like Dr. Seuss Enterprises into taking books down.

00:12:13.000 into taking those books off the market completely.

00:12:16.000 Dr. Seuss Enterprises said ceasing sales of these books is only part of our commitment and our broader plan to ensure Dr. Seuss Enterprises' catalog represents and supports all communities and families.

00:12:26.000 They're also getting rid of McGillicudd's Pool, On Beyond Zebra, Scrambled Egg Super, and The Cat's Quizzer.

00:12:32.000 Apparently, they said, Dr. Seuss Enterprises listened and took feedback from our audiences, including teachers, academics, and specialists in the field as part of our review process.

00:12:39.000 Okay, first of all, that's your problem. 1.00

00:12:41.000 Don't pay any attention to the academics and the specialists because they're idiots. 1.00

00:12:44.000 They are highly educated morons. 1.00

00:12:46.000 Why don't you just listen to the general public that wants to buy it and about whom there is no evidence that Dr. Seuss book has ever turned them racist. 0.99

00:12:53.000 We worked with a panel of experts, including educators, to review our catalog of titles.

00:12:56.000 Well, if the experts say so, well then, we know that it must be true. 1.00

00:13:00.000 The National Education Association founded Read Across America Day in 1998 and deliberately aligned it with Ted Geisel's birthday, right?

00:13:07.000 That's Dr. Seuss.

00:13:09.000 Because yesterday was Dr. Seuss's birthday.

00:13:10.000 My kids celebrated it at school because they go to a non-crappy school. 0.96

00:13:14.000 The NEA founded the day on Dr. Seuss's birthday, and now they're busily canceling Dr. Seuss.

00:13:21.000 For several years, they've de-emphasized Dr. Seuss because he's bad, you see, and encouraged a more diverse reading list for children.

00:13:28.000 As my colleague Matt Walsh has pointed out, basically, we should just cancel everybody who was not born over the course of the last 10 years.

00:13:34.000 Because if you go 80 years ago, there was not a single human being in any living human society who did not hold a view you would find to be antithetical to your own today.

00:13:41.000 Not one.

00:13:42.000 No one held the views you agree with today.

00:13:44.000 No one.

00:13:46.000 But apparently, the NEA thinks that we should de-emphasize Dr. Seuss In 2018, a Dr. Seuss museum in his hometown of Springfield removed a mural that included an Asian stereotype.

00:13:57.000 Because we can never have cartoons that are stereotypical about people in any way, right?

00:14:02.000 You can't draw an Asian stereotype or a person who looks black because, like, how are cartoons supposed to work again?

00:14:08.000 Aren't all cartoons stereotypes?

00:14:10.000 There are some that are significantly worse than others, you know, namely the ones with racist or anti-Semitic or bigoted intent, but then they're just cartoons.

00:14:17.000 And if you look at virtually any cartoon, it looks like a stereotype, like literally all the cartoons.

00:14:22.000 As producer Elliot was pointing out before the show, Moana looks like a stereotype of Hawaiian people.

00:14:27.000 Pocahontas looks like a stereotype of Native American people.

00:14:31.000 In fact, it is impossible to draw a cartoon that does not look like a stereotype in certain ways, because otherwise you wouldn't know that cartoon from, you know, a white person cartoon.

00:14:41.000 So it sort of depends on what the cartoon looks like and what the intent of the cartoon was, and what people take away from the cartoon.

00:14:48.000 And for the 1000th time, you cannot name the individual who was damaged by any of these Dr. Seuss books.

00:14:52.000 You cannot name them because they don't exist.

00:14:56.000 The Cat in the Hat, one of Seuss's most popular books, has received criticism too, but will continue to be published.

00:15:01.000 For now.

00:15:03.000 For now.

00:15:05.000 I'm sorry, this is a cultural sickness that has decided that all the hallmarks of Western culture ought to be done away with.

00:15:12.000 And it is all the hallmarks of Western culture.

00:15:13.000 We're cancelling Shakespeare.

00:15:15.000 We are cancelling Plato.

00:15:16.000 We are cancelling Aristotle.

00:15:18.000 We are cancelling Dr. Seuss.

00:15:19.000 Like literally all the things that Western culture celebrates are now going to be cancelled because they offend somebody.

00:15:26.000 Jen Psaki yesterday was deliberately asked about Dr. Seuss being dropped from Joe Biden's reading proclamation. 0.83

00:15:31.000 So Joe Biden put out a reading proclamation.

00:15:34.000 And in this reading proclamation for Read Across America Day, he didn't mention Dr. Seuss.

00:15:37.000 This was odd because President Obama had mentioned Dr. Seuss, like, repeatedly.

00:15:41.000 In 2015, for example, Barack Obama put out a statement saying, That was his 2015 statement.

00:15:45.000 Dr. Seuss Geisel, better known to us as Dr. Seuss, have sparked a love for reading in generations of students.

00:15:50.000 His whimsical wordplay and curious characters inspire children to dream big and remind readers of all ages that a person's a person no matter how small.

00:15:57.000 That was his 2015 statement.

00:15:58.000 Then again, 2016, he put out a statement saying, March 2nd is also the birthday of one of America's revered wordsmiths.

00:16:05.000 Theodore Seuss Geisel, or Dr. Seuss, used his incredible talent to instill in his most impressionable readers universal values we all hold dear.

00:16:11.000 Through a prolific collection of stories, he made children see that reading is fun.

00:16:14.000 And in the process, he emphasized respect for all, pushed us to accept ourselves for who we are, challenged preconceived notions, and encouraged trying new things, and by example, taught us that we are limited by nothing but the range of our aspirations and the vibrancy of our imaginations.

00:16:26.000 And for older lovers of literature, he reminded us not to take ourselves too seriously, creating whacking wild characters and envisioning creative and colorful places.

00:16:33.000 But we have to take ourselves super seriously, which is why Joe Biden has now participated in the cancellation of Dr. Seuss, right?

00:16:39.000 Removed from the presidential proclamation.

00:16:41.000 Speaking of which, 2018, Barack Obama.

00:16:44.000 Direct quote.

00:16:45.000 Everything you need to know about politics, you can learn from Dr. Seuss.

00:16:49.000 But apparently he's bad now.

00:16:51.000 Dr. Seuss is bad. 0.97

00:16:53.000 So here's Jen Psaki responding to the fact that Dr. Seuss was left out of the presidential proclamation because essentially a bunch of woke academic morons decided that Dr. Seuss's books were somehow spreading racism. 0.82

00:17:04.000 And Joe Biden took that up because the liberals have been so intimidated by the woke left that they refused to stand up even for iconic authors.

00:17:13.000 The proclamation was written by the Department of Education, and you could certainly speak to them about more specifics about the drafting of it.

00:17:19.000 But Read Across America Day, which as you're right, has not existed forever, has only been around for a short period of time, elevates and celebrates a love of reading among our nation's youngest leaders.

00:17:30.000 And the day is also a chance to celebrate diverse authors whose work and lived experience reflect the diversity of our country.

00:17:36.000 And that's certainly what they attempted to do or hope to do this year.

00:17:43.000 Okay, so, meanwhile, over at Universal Islands of Adventure in Florida, they're now talking about removing an exhibit for If I Ran the Zoo, because it's no longer going to be published.

00:17:54.000 So there's something called Seuss Landing over at Universal Studios.

00:17:56.000 We must not allow people to see the The Tufted Mazurka, right?

00:18:01.000 These fake creatures that Seuss created.

00:18:03.000 We definitely cannot allow people to see all the bizarre creatures from If I Ran the Zoo, because, I don't know, kids might then go look at the book, and they might see a portrayal of an Asian person that looks stereotypical, and then they might, I don't know, go and hurt an Asian person.

00:18:17.000 All of this based on zero, on nothing.

00:18:19.000 Also, they're gonna get rid of a gift shop called Mulberry Street Store, which comes from And To Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street, which was, again, only his breakthrough book.

00:18:26.000 Now, the defenses from the liberals here are the part here that's truly telling.

00:18:31.000 Okay, because again, up until five minutes ago, Dr. Seuss was one of the uncancellables.

00:18:35.000 The fact is, politically speaking, Dr. Seuss was not on the right, he was on the left.

00:18:40.000 I mean, he was so uncancellable that Michelle Obama was dancing with Dr. Seuss characters.

00:18:46.000 While she was the First Lady of the United States, here she was, dancing with Dr. Seuss characters.

00:18:49.000 Look right there, next to her, there's a picture of the cat in the hat.

00:18:53.000 And all the kids are wearing Cat in the Hat outfits, including, you can see in the front row, some black kids wearing Cat in the Hat hats.

00:19:01.000 But I guess they don't understand that they are contributing to their own subjugation.

00:19:04.000 We have to cancel Cat in the Hat, too.

00:19:05.000 Here's Michelle Obama, just a few years ago, dancing with Dr. Seuss characters.

00:19:09.000 Hi!

00:19:11.000 Hi, Cat in the Hat! 0.98

00:19:12.000 Oh my God, that's so racist.

00:19:13.000 Hi, everyone.

00:19:14.000 There's the Cat in the Hat.

00:19:15.000 Welcome to the White House.

00:19:16.000 Are you excited to hear this new wonderful book by Dr. Seuss?

00:19:22.000 Yeah.

00:19:23.000 I can't believe she's participating in this sort of racial subjugation. 1.00

00:19:25.000 You know who saw this book this morning before he got on a helicopter?

00:19:28.000 The president.

00:19:30.000 We love Dr. Seuss in our house.

00:19:35.000 God, this is so racist.

00:19:38.000 I mean, first of all, they're doing the limbo.

00:19:40.000 I mean, all of this is just racially insensitive. 0.87

00:19:43.000 And all those black kids who are celebrating Dr. Seuss, all those kids have just internalized their white privilege. 0.88

00:19:49.000 That's all that's happened here. 0.96

00:19:51.000 Clearly.

00:19:52.000 By the way, just a quick note, the National Education Association, which is busily canceling Dr. Seuss, some of their recommended books for small children include I Am Jazz, in which children learn that they can be members of the other sex, in which a boy is treated as a girl, and this is considered a wonderful, wonderful thing, and Jacob's New Dress, which encourages children to cross-dress, which is really, really great.

00:20:11.000 So we cannot have books from 1940 that include A stereotypical cartoon of an Asian person.

00:20:18.000 But we can definitely be encouraging our kids to read Anti-Racist Baby by Ibram X. Kendi, which encourages people to think in racist and racially essentialist ways.

00:20:27.000 And also, we can encourage our 3 and 4 year olds to cross-dress and or choose their own gender.

00:20:31.000 Yes, our society might be completely effed.

00:20:34.000 It might be completely off.

00:20:35.000 And it's the liberal defense of this that's truly astonishing.

00:20:37.000 Again, as I've been saying for a long time here, in the future of American society, the fate of American society does not rest with conservatives.

00:20:44.000 It rests with people in the middle.

00:20:45.000 It rests with people in the middle who might consider themselves good-hearted liberals, people who might be in favor of a little bit more government interventionism, or who don't follow politics all that closely.

00:20:54.000 Are those people going to just go along with the woke crowd because the woke crowd is the loudest, and the most annoying, and the most irritating, or are they gonna stand up?

00:21:02.000 Are they going to provide a full-throated defense of individual rights?

00:21:06.000 The time for apathy is over here.

00:21:09.000 Why are you making a big deal out of Dr. Seuss?

00:21:12.000 Because you're taking iconic figures and canceling them, and then you play this little gaslighting mind game where it's like, how dare you pay attention to us completely destroying children's childhoods by suggesting that they can change their gender and sex, but they can't read Dr. Seuss?

00:21:24.000 How dare you look into that?

00:21:26.000 Why aren't you more worried about other things?

00:21:29.000 Because that's the thing to worry about, gang.

00:21:31.000 I'm mostly worried about the kind of country my kids grow up in and how I'm able to raise my children.

00:21:36.000 That is my chief concern in life as a parent.

00:21:38.000 And you are trying to re-indoctrinate my kids into values you hold dear by getting companies to cancel books that I like reading to my kids because you know better for my kid than I do.

00:21:49.000 And then you claim that I should not feel imposed upon?

00:21:51.000 You are literally imposing on me by banning me from doing things.

00:21:55.000 And yet I should not feel imposed upon.

00:21:58.000 I mean, this is utter madness.

00:22:00.000 And people, mainstream liberals, are defending this, of course.

00:22:03.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

00:22:05.000 So, let's take some examples of mainstream liberals and their defenses of this kind of stuff.

00:22:10.000 Ezra Klein, right?

00:22:11.000 The vaunted Ezra Klein, formerly of Vox.com, now of the New York Times, because there's only failure upward in the world of the left-wing media.

00:22:18.000 So, Ezra Klein, he tweeted out an article from his old publication, Vox.com, why Fox News is having a day-long meltdown over Dr. Seuss.

00:22:28.000 It says a lot about the modern GOP that Biden and the Democrats are about to pass a $1.9 trillion bill with dozens of longtime liberal policies.

00:22:34.000 And what's really generating the heat on the right is some nonsense about Dr. Seuss.

00:22:38.000 Number one, it ain't nonsense.

00:22:40.000 Book burning is not nonsense.

00:22:42.000 Canceling books is not nonsense.

00:22:44.000 What do you think is of more fundamental value?

00:22:46.000 I care deeply about the national debt.

00:22:48.000 I've been railing against this garbage $1.9 trillion bill that is unsupportable by fact or economics for as long as Joe Biden's been proposing it.

00:22:56.000 And to make the brief case against that $1.9 trillion plan once again, here is the case.

00:23:00.000 According to the most liberal institutions, the United States is going to experience about a $450 billion GDP shortfall this year due to COVID.

00:23:06.000 The bill is $1.9 trillion, so four times that large.

00:23:10.000 That bill also happens to include barrels of pork, barrels and barrels and barrels of pork for the teachers unions and for a variety of states that have blown out their own spending.

00:23:17.000 There's a study that came out yesterday from the Brookings Institute, a left-wing institute that found Okay, so there's your case against that.

00:23:23.000 Now, which is more important to me?

00:23:24.000 and yet we are bailing them out with tens of billions of dollars from federal tax coffers, money that no longer exists and that we are borrowing from the future.

00:23:30.000 Okay, so there's your case against that. 0.81

00:23:32.000 Now, which is more important to me, bad public policy when it comes to taxing and spending, which has been endemic to both parties and has been the curse of the American Republic for as long as I have been alive, or the complete and wholesale destruction of children's innocence by a bunch of woke assholes who have decided that it is deeply important to remove content that my kids want to see because maybe, just maybe, There will be somebody woke enough to inform them that content is racist.

00:23:56.000 What do you think has more of an impact on my daily life?

00:23:59.000 The spending that's been going on every day, and that is a problem, and a persistent problem, and that shows no signs of going away?

00:24:04.000 Or the complete vitiation of American culture, particularly aimed at children?

00:24:09.000 I think we can tell.

00:24:10.000 So yes, it's important as recline, and you know it's important.

00:24:13.000 That's why the left keeps doing it.

00:24:15.000 It's unbelievable.

00:24:16.000 The left plays this trick.

00:24:17.000 They do something utterly fringe and utterly crazy and the right reacts and they go, why are you even?

00:24:21.000 It's a crazy thing.

00:24:21.000 Why are you even reacting to it?

00:24:23.000 I mean, sure.

00:24:24.000 What do you even care that we're saying that boys are girls and girls are boys?

00:24:27.000 I mean, there's a budget problem.

00:24:28.000 It's like, well, you know what's more important?

00:24:31.000 That boys are not girls and girls are not boys. 0.99

00:24:33.000 And that has an impact on my life because I don't trust you to let this remain a fringe issue.

00:24:38.000 Because guess what?

00:24:39.000 Five seconds ago, you were talking about getting rid of books that you didn't like that were actually racist.

00:24:45.000 And now you're talking about just getting rid of mainstream Dr. Seuss books that have never actually been interpreted by any sentient human being as racist.

00:24:50.000 And so you just found a bunch of experts at college who have no actual jobs to push the notion that this stuff has to be removed from the public square.

00:24:58.000 Okay, so you got Ezra Klein saying, we got bigger things to worry about.

00:25:01.000 Then you have Mark Harris.

00:25:03.000 Okay, so Mark Harris, is a writer and columnist for New York Magazine and Vulture.

00:25:09.000 And he tweeted out, I read a lot about Theodore Geisel, Dr. Seuss, and his politics.

00:25:14.000 When I was working on Five came back.

00:25:15.000 And there's not a doubt in my mind he would have thought all the people at Fox News suddenly taking him up as a cause are the world's biggest a-holes.

00:25:21.000 Well, there's no question Dr. Seuss was on the left, on the political left.

00:25:25.000 Also, he would not have thought that we were the world's biggest a-holes.

00:25:28.000 He would have thought we were the second biggest a-holes after people who think it's okay to burn his books.

00:25:32.000 Probably, if I had to just make a guess.

00:25:34.000 And listen to Mark Harris's justification for this.

00:25:36.000 Geisel was a fascinating and remarkably non-defensive man who deplored racism and was also capable of recognizing where he himself had erred.

00:25:43.000 So the blowhard right should stop panicking.

00:25:45.000 There are still 39 Seuss books left.

00:25:47.000 The Trump Library will be fine.

00:25:50.000 There are still 39 Seuss books left.

00:25:53.000 Well, guys, I mean, it's not a book burning if there are other books.

00:25:56.000 Come on! 0.61

00:25:57.000 I mean, that bonfire out there where they're just burning copies of books?

00:26:01.000 There are a lot of other books.

00:26:03.000 I mean, in Germany, when there are all those pictures of, you know, books being burned, that's not a big deal.

00:26:07.000 There are other books in Germany.

00:26:08.000 Everybody had a copy of Mein Kampf.

00:26:09.000 That was a book.

00:26:10.000 That was in everybody's house.

00:26:12.000 Book burning isn't bad, so long as it's the right books you see.

00:26:15.000 According to liberals, so long as the right books are getting burned, that is perfectly okay.

00:26:19.000 In fact, it is recommended.

00:26:20.000 And by the way, Dr. Seuss wasn't fully canceled.

00:26:22.000 We're only burning some of his books.

00:26:23.000 Sure, the cat on the hat might be next, but don't worry about the slippery slope.

00:26:27.000 Just recognize that we are only going to burn the books today, that we want to burn today.

00:26:32.000 And then if you ask them, what books are you going to burn tomorrow?

00:26:33.000 Like, well, we'll have to see.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, we know.

00:26:37.000 We know.

00:26:39.000 Meanwhile, you have CNN's Chris Chiles.

00:26:40.000 Remember, these are members of the press.

00:26:42.000 Who would have thought, honest to God, who would have thought that the biggest advocates for restricting freedom of the press and restricting freedom of speech in America would be members of the press? 0.99

00:26:50.000 Who saw that one coming on their bingo card, on their woke, idiotic, left-wing bingo card? 0.99

00:26:55.000 Who saw that one coming? 1.00

00:26:56.000 Because that's where we are.

00:26:58.000 Okay, where we are right now is that the press have decided they want to see Fox News and OANN and Newsmax de-platformed.

00:27:04.000 They want to see Daily Wire basically taken off of Facebook.

00:27:07.000 They want to see social media cracked down on anybody on the right.

00:27:09.000 They'd love to see podcasts taken down.

00:27:11.000 They want to go after Joe Rogan.

00:27:12.000 They want to go after this podcast.

00:27:13.000 And they want to go after all those things because those are competition.

00:27:16.000 Members of the press openly stumping for companies to remove their service abilities from people they disagree with.

00:27:24.000 And now you have members of the press who are openly arguing in favor of book-burning because that's what this is.

00:27:27.000 When you take books down and you make them unavailable anymore, that is the equivalent of book-burning.

00:27:31.000 The purpose of a book-burning is to make the book unavailable anymore because it has been burned.

00:27:34.000 Okay, so we are now engaged in digital book-burning.

00:27:38.000 So Chris Chilesa, the—the—doltish columnist over at CNN, has a piece today titled, Why Republicans Think Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head Can Save Them.

00:27:49.000 He says, Yes, that is, in fact, our argument.

00:27:51.000 Correct.

00:27:51.000 to cancel long cherished cultural touchstones.

00:27:53.000 That is the message for Republicans, solely because it doesn't comport with their preferred vision for America.

00:27:57.000 Yes, that is in fact our argument, that you're trying to cancel all the cultural touchstones because you have a utopian vision for what the world should be, and anything that stands in your way is an obstacle, so you burn it.

00:28:06.000 Correct, that is a proper assessment of our argument.

00:28:10.000 He says, if you look back at what has truly animated conservatives in the months since Trump lost the election, it's consistently been less about policy and far more about this idea that Democrats are trying to rid the country of our cultural icons.

00:28:21.000 Well, I mean, yes, you literally spent the summer cheering on people burning down cities.

00:28:26.000 Nikole Hannah-Jones, author of the 1619 Project, cheered the fact that these city burnings were being called the 1619 riots.

00:28:32.000 People are literally being iconoclastic, tearing down statues of George Washington, of Abraham Lincoln, of a guy who's an abolitionist, fighting for the North, at like the Wisconsin Statehouse.

00:28:44.000 So yes, we are worried about you, vitiating and destroying American history.

00:28:48.000 Yes, we are worried about all of that.

00:28:50.000 Now on Tuesday morning, says Chris Chiliza at CNN, comes word that six Dr. Seuss books would no longer be published by the company that owns them, because they quote, portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong.

00:28:59.000 What's remarkable about these attacks, by the right, on so-called cancel culture is that they don't even fit the description.

00:29:06.000 So he says that the Muppets, right?

00:29:08.000 So the Muppets, Disney put a warning on some episodes of The Muppet Show, but they made the episodes available.

00:29:12.000 Okay, that's fair, right?

00:29:13.000 That's not a full cancellation.

00:29:15.000 That is just a ridiculous attempt to contextualize humor. 0.97

00:29:18.000 It's stupid, but it's not a full cancellation, so that's true. 0.99

00:29:21.000 Or Potato Head. 1.00

00:29:22.000 That's not a full cancellation because Mr. Potato Head and Mrs. Potato Head will remain characters.

00:29:26.000 Okay.

00:29:27.000 That too is fair. 0.99

00:29:28.000 It's an idiotic thing to suggest that children are going to be deeply harmed by a toy called Mr. Potato Head. 0.99

00:29:34.000 So you have to call the overall toy Potato Head.

00:29:37.000 In honor of Brian Stelter.

00:29:39.000 But this is the line that gets me.

00:29:41.000 So Christian Lisa says, it's not cancel culture, the Muppets, they're still available.

00:29:44.000 Potato Head, that's not cancel culture, that's still available.

00:29:47.000 Or Dr. Seuss.

00:29:48.000 While six of his books will no longer be published, the remaining three dozen or so will still be on bookshelves.

00:29:52.000 That isn't a cancellation.

00:29:56.000 One of those things is not like the others.

00:29:58.000 One of those things just doesn't belong.

00:30:02.000 So you've named three examples there.

00:30:04.000 Okay.

00:30:05.000 Two of those examples, the thing didn't go away.

00:30:07.000 In one of those examples, the thing went away.

00:30:10.000 And you're still saying it's not cancel culture.

00:30:11.000 You're still saying it wasn't canceled.

00:30:13.000 Except that it was literally canceled and unavailable and selling for $1,500 on Amazon.

00:30:19.000 So what is Chris Chalisa's conclusion? 0.98

00:30:21.000 What is happening in all three of these most recent instances is that the culture is changing, changing to incorporate more views from more varied perspectives, not just the opinions of what white people, white people, the ultimate insult, white people, you have to pronounce the H before the W or it doesn't sound right, white people, and mostly men, men with their penises sometimes, Do you see this? 0.98

00:30:48.000 Do you see this? 0.96

00:30:50.000 And he says that's not true.

00:30:50.000 It's unreal!

00:30:52.000 Because all that's happening is the culture is changing.

00:30:52.000 That's not true!

00:30:54.000 And it's changing to incorporate more views.

00:30:55.000 is that, let me just read these two sentences back to back, okay?

00:30:59.000 That conservatives have argued, liberals are trying to cancel long cherished cultural touchstones solely because it doesn't comport with their preferred vision for America.

00:31:05.000 And he says that's not true.

00:31:07.000 That's not true, because all that's happening is the culture is changing, and it's changing to incorporate more views.

00:31:13.000 So you mean you like how the culture is changing, so it's okay to cancel things.

00:31:17.000 So literally you are making my argument for me, Chris Chilesa.

00:31:20.000 You're just calling it change.

00:31:22.000 By calling things change, that doesn't mean that the changes are good, or positive, or decent, or that book burning became good today.

00:31:28.000 I mean, it's incredible.

00:31:31.000 So I'm arguing that you guys are trying to cancel cultural touchstones because you want the world to comport with your perverse vision of expressive individualism.

00:31:40.000 And your counter-argument is, well, the world is changing, so you're wrong?

00:31:45.000 No, it is that you have a vision of society.

00:31:47.000 I disagree with your vision of society.

00:31:49.000 I'm not trying to cancel you.

00:31:50.000 You are trying to cancel everybody who you disagree with and all of their work.

00:31:55.000 Change does not equal cancel, says Chris Chalisa.

00:31:57.000 Except when it does!

00:31:58.000 Except when the change literally involves taking books off the shelves and or pressuring companies to do the same.

00:32:04.000 Then it does!

00:32:06.000 Change and evolution in our culture and our society is both necessary and unstoppable.

00:32:09.000 The idea we always have had everything right, or we can't always be growing closer to a more perfect union, is not only narrow-minded, but fundamentally anti-American.

00:32:16.000 You see, not to remove the books is anti-American now.

00:32:20.000 You see, Chrystaliza?

00:32:21.000 Chrystaliza is making the argument that if you don't stand in favor of digital book burning, this means you are anti-American, because change is American, you see.

00:32:30.000 Do you see the ideological perversion that is happening in front of you?

00:32:33.000 Should I be upset that there's an entire wing of American society that now argues that you can justify the basic violation of individual liberty and free speech and you can start burning books because change is good?

00:32:46.000 You know who has said that same thing?

00:32:47.000 Every fascist in human history has said that same thing.

00:32:49.000 There has never been a fascist who said that he is doing something in order to do a bad thing.

00:32:55.000 No one ever believes they're doing something in order to do a bad thing.

00:32:57.000 This is why we have neutral principles like individual rights.

00:33:00.000 But he is saying, well, you know, sometimes change overrides individual rights, and to oppose that would be fundamentally anti-American.

00:33:07.000 Chris Chilesa.

00:33:09.000 Unbelievable.

00:33:10.000 And then you have that same sentiment from Philip Bump over at the Washington Post.

00:33:14.000 His argument is that if you oppose the cancellation of If I Ran the Zoo, this is because you're a racist and you agree with racism. 0.51

00:33:21.000 So his article is such a giveaway, Philip Bum.

00:33:23.000 Again, this guy is the media columnist, the politics and media columnist over at the Washington Post.

00:33:28.000 Again, members of the press are super on board with destroying everything they disagree with.

00:33:33.000 They are the cheerleaders for ideological authoritarianism here.

00:33:39.000 Here's what Philip Bump writes, quote, This is the keyword.

00:33:41.000 If you just keep saying change, change, change, as in like Barack Obama, hope and change, if you just keep saying change over and over and over, that allows you to override individual rights.

00:33:48.000 If you just keep saying change over and over and over, that means you can burn books.

00:33:51.000 can serve as spackle for frustrations over a changing world.

00:33:54.000 This is the key word.

00:33:55.000 If you just keep saying change, change, change, right, as in like Barack Obama, hope and change.

00:33:55.000 The change.

00:33:59.000 If you just keep saying change over and over and over, that allows you to override individual rights.

00:34:03.000 If you just keep saying change over and over and over, that means you can burn books.

00:34:06.000 Isn't that exciting?

00:34:08.000 So here's Philip Bump.

00:34:09.000 One of the books he sent was Dr. Seuss's If I Ran the Zoo, a book I had as a kid and that I remembered fondly.

00:34:14.000 In it, a young boy imagines what he'd do with the local zoo were he in charge.

00:34:17.000 It's Seuss, so the boy's conjurings are wild, weird creatures whose names rhyme with their points of origin.

00:34:23.000 Okay, so, just note, quickly, that his recollection of the book is that it was charming, that he remembered it fondly. 0.72

00:34:30.000 At no point here does he say, yes, that led me down my path to becoming a white nationalist and trying to murder Asian people.

00:34:36.000 You notice he doesn't say that anywhere? 0.79

00:34:37.000 Because it's not true!

00:34:39.000 Right, so he read this as a boy, and then he wanted to read it to his kids, and at no point did it occur to him that the book was racist, but now he knows it's racist, and that means that his kid will presumably come out a vicious racist, or not, or maybe not.

00:34:53.000 Maybe this is all perfectly harmless, because you can't name the... Harmless means not harmed, right?

00:34:59.000 No one can demonstrate a harm here.

00:35:01.000 In a court of law, in order to receive some sort of settlement, you have to demonstrate damages.

00:35:05.000 No one can demonstrate the damages here, because they don't exist.

00:35:09.000 They didn't happen to fill up Bump, but he's afraid.

00:35:11.000 What is he afraid?

00:35:12.000 That if his kid reads a Dr. Seuss book, that his kid might come away a vicious racist?

00:35:17.000 I sat down to read it with Thomas and rambled along in rhythm.

00:35:19.000 Then I turned the page to the African island of Yurka, on which lived the tufted Mazurka. 0.98

00:35:25.000 In the Seuss's drawing, the bird thing is perched on a pole being held by two caricatures of African men that are so obviously and immediately racist that it was almost breathtaking. 0.93

00:35:33.000 It would be like watching an interview with Tom Hanks in which he started suddenly casually dropping racial slurs, a grotesque act accentuated by astonishments at the source.

00:35:42.000 This was Dr. Seuss, the benchmark for authors of children's book.

00:35:44.000 And here are the racist caricatures he drew.

00:35:51.000 Again, racism doesn't require intent anymore, and it doesn't even require effect anymore.

00:36:01.000 It's just what you say is racist.

00:36:03.000 Normally, in order for a thing to be racist, it has to either have a racist effect or a racist intent.

00:36:10.000 It can be insensitive, but for you to call something racist requires either intent or effect as a general rule.

00:36:16.000 Not so here.

00:36:17.000 Philip Bump, who was never affected by this book as a child, now has decided that the book must be banned.

00:36:21.000 It must be banned because he was personally offended on behalf of people he is not. 0.85

00:36:27.000 This is just, it's ridiculous.

00:36:29.000 So what is his idea here? 0.93

00:36:30.000 The idea is that if you defend, if I ran the zoo, this means that you are in favor of racism, of course.

00:36:37.000 The answer is that people who perceive criticism of casual racism of the past as criticism of their own behavior or as a reminder of how the world around them is changing.

00:36:45.000 It's that Seuss is a benchmark for a particular sort of American upbringing.

00:36:48.000 Calling out Seuss' infrequent racist imagery is therefore an attack on that view of American identity.

00:36:53.000 It's a short hop from here to rhetoric demanding we make America great again.

00:36:55.000 Ah ha ha.

00:36:56.000 So, you're a Trump voter if you don't want these books burned.

00:37:01.000 And again, the basic idea here is that you are a racist unless you agree that Dr. Seuss was a racist and unless you are in favor of the book burning.

00:37:11.000 Seuss's caricatures are hurtful anachronisms.

00:37:13.000 Really, who is hurt?

00:37:13.000 Are they hurtful?

00:37:14.000 What's more, until a few weeks ago, my son didn't know this book existed.

00:37:17.000 So where's the harm in his not seeing its images?

00:37:20.000 Oh boy.

00:37:21.000 Oh boy, what a case that is.

00:37:22.000 Until a few weeks ago, my son didn't know this book existed.

00:37:25.000 So what's the harm in him never being educated?

00:37:28.000 I could say the same about virtually all aspects of information. 0.97

00:37:32.000 I don't want my kids to be educated about your crappy left-wing views. 0.93

00:37:35.000 My kids have never been exposed to that. 0.99

00:37:36.000 So why are you insisting they be exposed to your crappy left-wing views? 0.80

00:37:41.000 In fact, why is it your business what my kids see or do? 0.97

00:37:44.000 So you're libertarian when it comes to you, but you're an authoritarian when it comes to everybody else.

00:37:48.000 And we're racist.

00:37:51.000 This is what liberalism has become.

00:37:54.000 In just a second.

00:37:55.000 We are going to get to the book that predicted all of this, Fahrenheit 451, which is right on the money.

00:38:00.000 Ray Bradbury was a prophet.

00:38:01.000 We'll get to this in one second.

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00:39:14.000 I had the pleasure of discussing minimum wage on my radio show this week with Representative Ro Khanna.

00:39:17.000 You know what?

00:39:18.000 It is refreshing to have a regular conversation outside of any forced safe space, especially in the current climate.

00:39:23.000 Every political issue is now a hot button issue.

00:39:25.000 Everyone.

00:39:26.000 It's the same with minimum wage.

00:39:27.000 Now, minimum wage has historically had all sorts of controversies and fallacies surrounding it.

00:39:32.000 The left makes the emotional appeal by saying that, well, you know, you're just making people's wages higher.

00:39:36.000 Well, there are also all sorts of unintended side effects.

00:39:38.000 I break down the myth of the minimum wage and others like it on my new Daily Wire series, Debunked.

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00:40:18.000 So here is the thing.

00:40:25.000 All of this is perfectly predictable because authoritarians always are predictable.

00:40:29.000 And if you read Fahrenheit 451 right now, there are a bunch of dystopian novels from the 20th century that people like to make comparisons to.

00:40:36.000 1984 comes up a lot.

00:40:38.000 Brave New World is obviously quite prophetic in how modern society treats pleasure, and hedonism, and sex, and how governments use such things to control people.

00:40:48.000 But Fahrenheit 451 has some sections that are just absolutely prophetic.

00:40:52.000 I'm gonna read you one of those sections from Fahrenheit 451, a book that I'm sure will be burned at some point in the future for being insufficiently woke.

00:40:59.000 Here is what Ray Bradbury writes.

00:41:01.000 He is writing in the voice of Captain Beatty, who is sort of the villain of the piece.

00:41:06.000 Captain Beatty is one of the firefighters.

00:41:08.000 For those who don't remember Fahrenheit 451, the book is about how there are firefighters.

00:41:12.000 The firefighters no longer fight fires.

00:41:13.000 They actually start fires.

00:41:14.000 They go to houses and they burn books.

00:41:15.000 That is their job.

00:41:17.000 Okay, so Captain Beatty is explaining how it came to be that firefighters, instead of saving houses, ended up burning books and how society went along with it.

00:41:23.000 Here's what he says.

00:41:25.000 Now, let's take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? 1.00

00:41:28.000 Bigger the population, the more minorities. 0.99

00:41:30.000 The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy.

00:41:32.000 Remember that.

00:41:33.000 All the minor, minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. 1.00

00:41:36.000 Authors full of evil thoughts lock up your typewriters.

00:41:38.000 They did.

00:41:39.000 Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. 0.99

00:41:41.000 Books, so the damn snobbish critics said, were dishwater. 0.99

00:41:44.000 No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. 0.99

00:41:46.000 But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic books survive.

00:41:50.000 And the three-dimensional sex magazines, of course.

00:41:52.000 There you have it, Montag.

00:41:53.000 Didn't come from the government down.

00:41:54.000 There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship to start with.

00:41:57.000 No.

00:41:58.000 Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick.

00:42:02.000 Thank God.

00:42:03.000 That sound familiar?

00:42:05.000 It can have a vast minority of minorities, by the way.

00:42:08.000 Most black people do not want if I ran the Zoo Band, and most Asian people don't want if I ran the Zoo Band. 1.00

00:42:12.000 It's a small coterie of pseudo-intellectuals who earn their stripes on a college campus by saying extreme things and receiving attention for it, and get tenure for that, mainstreaming that through a bunch of allied liberal press members, and then pushing that into the halls of government. 0.92

00:42:31.000 And they change the culture that way.

00:42:33.000 And it is easier for corporations to go along with this small few than it is to stand up and just say no.

00:42:38.000 Dr. Seuss Enterprises doesn't want controversy.

00:42:41.000 So they figure it's okay, so we'll take the short-term hit.

00:42:43.000 They're not going after Cat in the Hat after all.

00:42:44.000 But here's the thing, they will go after Cat in the Hat, as we know.

00:42:47.000 And here's the, and what's, again, the thing that is most amazing about all of this, to me, is that when you protest that children's innocence is being ruined, that the left has made an overt attempt to change how you raise your children, to censor what you can show your children on the one hand and cram down what you must show your children on the other.

00:43:04.000 Then the left says, and you notice this, if you say anything about it, then the left says, why are you even paying attention to children's books and children's literature?

00:43:10.000 Why are you even paying attention to that stuff?

00:43:12.000 That's baby stuff.

00:43:13.000 Yes, we know.

00:43:14.000 That's why you're targeting it.

00:43:15.000 There's a reason you are taking the time to go after Dr. Seuss.

00:43:18.000 There's a reason you are taking the time to push I Am Jazz to small school children.

00:43:22.000 There's a reason that you are taking the time to reorient how small children are taught in the United States and what sort of materials they are exposed to.

00:43:30.000 It's because you know that that is how you reshape a society.

00:43:33.000 And if parents don't stand up, then it will just continue.

00:43:37.000 Again, I would at this point overtly call on Congress to pass legislation that ends trademark and copyright protection for people who deliberately bury material.

00:43:47.000 If you have copyright and trademark and your entire goal is to never let literature see the light of day, you should not have copyright or trademark over that material.

00:43:53.000 It should immediately be put into the public domain.

00:43:57.000 If Dr. Seuss Enterprises doesn't want If I Ran the Zoo to be out there, it should be public domain.

00:44:00.000 Because people have a right to see ideas.

00:44:02.000 The whole point of trademarking copyright was to promote people's idea to see those ideas.

00:44:09.000 Again, the goal of trademarking copyright was to prevent people from copying those ideas and putting them out there to remove the profit margin so that people wouldn't want to put out those ideas.

00:44:16.000 But if you're deliberately suppressing material, then there ain't no profit margin to worry about.

00:44:21.000 You're deliberately suppressing material.

00:44:22.000 Deliberate suppression of material should not be given government exclusivity.

00:44:27.000 That is something that Congress should move on, like, right away.

00:44:29.000 I would love to see Republicans move on that, because censorship is a bad thing.

00:44:33.000 It is a bad thing.

00:44:34.000 And we all know that it is a truly terrible thing.

00:44:37.000 But we're going to pretend that it's not, because so long as the right people are being cancelled, cancelled culture doesn't exist.

00:44:41.000 That's just cultural change.

00:44:43.000 It's just cultural change after all.

00:44:45.000 And we know cultural change is good. 0.61

00:44:47.000 Unless it's coming from the right, then it's bad.

00:44:48.000 But if it's coming from the left, it's good.

00:44:49.000 And cultural change justifies any and all invasions of those individual rights because utopia requires that individuals put their own selfish interests behind the interests of the community.

00:45:00.000 And the interests of the community lie in creating a space where expressive individualism is respected, but only from the left.

00:45:07.000 Only from the left, of course.

00:45:08.000 Alrighty, meanwhile, the COVID controversies continue.

00:45:15.000 Joe Biden continues to try to prolong this pandemic.

00:45:18.000 I mean, there's no other way to put it.

00:45:19.000 I don't mean like in practical terms, he's trying to prolong the inability of people to get vaccines, although I will say that he has been not wildly competent.

00:45:26.000 And we keep talking about how we are tranching out vaccines, and it's good, right?

00:45:30.000 He says that we'll have assured enough vaccine for everyone by the end of May.

00:45:33.000 But you know, there's one area where the federal government really is in control, and that is in the creation of federal mass inoculation sites, right?

00:45:40.000 By the end of February, he had a goal.

00:45:42.000 His goal was to set up 100 new federally operated max vaccination sites.

00:45:46.000 That's according to the AP.

00:45:48.000 That was by the end of February.

00:45:49.000 How many are up and running?

00:45:50.000 Because now it's March.

00:45:50.000 Seven.

00:45:52.000 Seven.

00:45:53.000 It's a slow clap.

00:45:54.000 For the Biden administration on that one.

00:45:56.000 The vaccines are important.

00:45:57.000 You might have wanted to hurry up by making sure that more than seven mass vaccination sites on the federal level were actually created, especially given the fact that states are churning out their inoculations at wildly differential rates.

00:46:10.000 If you're in Florida, much easier to get a vaccine than if you're in New York.

00:46:12.000 There are people who are flying to Florida just to get the vaccine.

00:46:16.000 There's a reason that, at this point, I believe a majority of seniors in Florida have been vaccinated, if I'm not mistaken.

00:46:23.000 Well, meanwhile, in New York, Andrew Cuomo is still the governor.

00:46:26.000 Anyway, Joe Biden continues to promote the idea that this pandemic is just going to continue forever because the longer the pandemic continues, the more political priorities he gets to push.

00:46:34.000 So here he is saying that, you know, he's asked when we're going to get back to normal.

00:46:38.000 And he's like, you know, maybe next year.

00:46:40.000 Next year?

00:46:41.000 Are you kidding?

00:46:41.000 How about now?

00:46:42.000 How about like right now?

00:46:44.000 Hey, here is Joe Biden.

00:46:46.000 I've been cautioned not to give an answer to that because we don't know for sure.

00:46:50.000 But my hope is by this time next year we're going to be back to normal and before that, my hope.

00:46:56.000 But again, it depends upon if people continue, continue to be smart and understand that we still can have significant losses.

00:47:07.000 There's a lot we have to do yet.

00:47:09.000 You know, we still have so much to do.

00:47:11.000 Maybe it'll be next year.

00:47:12.000 Maybe next year.

00:47:14.000 Or we could look at, you know, the actual statistics as to infection rates in the United States, and we can actually see, for example, what that chart looks like.

00:47:23.000 And what you can see is that the daily new cases, according to Worldometers, as of March 2nd, the daily new cases in the United States, 56,890.

00:47:30.000 Okay, at its height in January, it was 300,000 a day.

00:47:34.000 So we are down to a small fraction of what the daily new cases were before.

00:47:39.000 Okay, coronavirus deaths have tailed off following the infections, of course.

00:47:44.000 Now, people on the left keep claiming, ridiculously enough, that this has to do with social distancing and masking.

00:47:48.000 That is nonsense.

00:47:49.000 It has nothing to do with social distancing and masking.

00:47:52.000 Those have been in place in places like California the entire time.

00:47:54.000 They never stopped.

00:47:56.000 Florida, people have been acting in a consistent way since the summer.

00:47:59.000 The reason this happened is because you started to see saturation points.

00:48:03.000 This is what Marty Makary from Johns Hopkins University was claiming in the Wall Street Journal and on this show.

00:48:07.000 He said by April, we're going to hit herd immunity.

00:48:09.000 And the stats are showing that we are coming closer and closer to herd immunity.

00:48:13.000 We also have vaccinations taking place on a huge number of people in the population.

00:48:18.000 We are now up to something like 15% of people who have had at least one dose.

00:48:21.000 And by the way, one dose does provide significant protection.

00:48:23.000 It's not as though the first dose of a Pfizer vaccine gives you 50% and then the second dose gives you 50%.

00:48:26.000 It's not like that.

00:48:28.000 The first dose gives you like 85 to 90% and then the second dose is a booster shot.

00:48:33.000 Same thing with the Moderna shot.

00:48:34.000 And now we have Johnson & Johnson rolling off the lines.

00:48:36.000 We're doing over 2 million inoculations a day in this country.

00:48:39.000 This pandemic is ending and the left cannot stand it.

00:48:41.000 They cannot stand it.

00:48:42.000 They don't like it.

00:48:44.000 You're getting the impression they don't want it to end.

00:48:47.000 Joe Biden is out there being like, now's not the time to let our guard down.

00:48:51.000 Apparently, just into next year, gang.

00:48:53.000 Into next year.

00:48:55.000 Here's Joe Biden mumbling his way through his preferred solution.

00:48:59.000 There is light at the end of the tunnel.

00:49:02.000 But we cannot let our guard down now or assure that victory is inevitable.

00:49:07.000 We can't assume that.

00:49:08.000 We must remain vigilant, act fast and aggressively, and look out for one another.

00:49:14.000 That's how we're going to get ahead of this virus, get our economy going again, and get back to our loved ones.

00:49:21.000 So thank you, and please, please, it's not over yet.

00:49:25.000 Okay, he keeps saying it's not over yet, but what if it's coming to an end?

00:49:27.000 I mean, he's still talking about next year.

00:49:29.000 Next year. 1.00

00:49:30.000 And his administration keeps saying idiotic things like if you get the vaccination, you can't go back to your regular life. 1.00

00:49:35.000 Nope. 1.00

00:49:35.000 You can. 1.00

00:49:37.000 I'm just gonna put that out there.

00:49:38.000 You can go back to your regular life.

00:49:40.000 The vaccinations are extraordinarily effective.

00:49:43.000 Again, 99% reduction in death, 95% reduction in serious case, 90% reduction by Israeli studies in transmissibility.

00:49:50.000 And that's the protection provided to you.

00:49:53.000 And we are talking about the vast bulk of deaths in the United States having occurred for people age 65 or over, and a huge number having occurred in nursing homes, which at this point, virtually everywhere across the country, have been inoculated in mass fashion.

00:50:05.000 And yet there's an obvious interest in continuing to prolong the suffering here.

00:50:10.000 Meanwhile, in Texas, Greg Abbott said, you know what?

00:50:13.000 We're done here.

00:50:14.000 You know, we're going to open up Texas.

00:50:15.000 If you have a business, you want to open it up at 100%, go for it.

00:50:17.000 If you don't want to go, don't go.

00:50:20.000 By the way, this is called liberty, gang.

00:50:22.000 If you don't want to go, don't go.

00:50:24.000 You can still stay home.

00:50:26.000 You can still wear a KN95.

00:50:28.000 You can still do whatever you want to do.

00:50:31.000 If you're a business owner and you're still concerned about COVID breaking out at your business because it's a small business and people are still in close proximity and you think not enough people are vaccinated, you can still put a restriction on the front of your store saying that everybody has to wear a mask.

00:50:43.000 That is very common where I live in Florida.

00:50:46.000 I live in a free state.

00:50:48.000 There are still local businesses that do this.

00:50:49.000 That is their prerogative.

00:50:50.000 But letting people make their own decisions used to be thought of as traditionally American.

00:50:55.000 Here's Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas.

00:50:57.000 I'm issuing a new executive order that rescinds most of the earlier executive orders.

00:51:04.000 Effective next Wednesday, all businesses of any type are allowed to open 100%.

00:51:13.000 That includes any type of entity in Texas.

00:51:18.000 Also, I am ending the statewide mask mandate.

00:51:23.000 Personal vigilance to follow the safe standards is still needed to contain COVID.

00:51:30.000 It's just that now, state mandates are no longer needed.

00:51:35.000 Okay, so he's not even saying take off the mask.

00:51:37.000 He's just saying, I'm not going to try and punish you by law or fine you for not wearing a mask.

00:51:41.000 Which again, those mandates were not particularly effective.

00:51:44.000 You know what was effective?

00:51:45.000 People using their own best judgment.

00:51:47.000 You can see that the masking rate followed the increase in disease all over the country.

00:51:51.000 People started masking up when they thought that the disease was going to get them.

00:51:54.000 And then when they thought the disease was not going to get them, they stopped masking up.

00:51:58.000 But you can start to see the creep here, the mission creep.

00:52:00.000 No.

00:52:00.000 My answer to that is no.

00:52:01.000 And you know how long we're going to continue this further?

00:52:03.000 that we should all mask up every winter so as to prevent flu?

00:52:07.000 No.

00:52:08.000 My answer to that is no.

00:52:10.000 And you know how long we're gonna continue this further?

00:52:12.000 The answer is not long, not nearly at all.

00:52:15.000 Ted Fitzsimmons writing for NBC News, the governors of Texas and Mississippi both announced on Tuesday they would be lifting their state's mask mandates and rolling back many of their COVID-19 health mandates just one day after the CDC warned against complacency in the face of emerging coronavirus variants.

00:52:30.000 Right, this is the new bogeyman, is that there are going to be variants and those are going to take over.

00:52:34.000 Okay, so let's say there is a variant.

00:52:35.000 Are we still going to shut down the society like for another year?

00:52:37.000 How long can we do this?

00:52:39.000 Seriously, how long can we do this?

00:52:41.000 Are we going to continue to do this?

00:52:42.000 Forever?

00:52:43.000 Because I'm not seeing any timeline on the horizon for you guys.

00:52:46.000 You keep just pushing the timeline out.

00:52:47.000 Remember two weeks to slow the spread?

00:52:49.000 And we're now a year in?

00:52:50.000 And now Joe Biden is saying maybe another year?

00:52:53.000 No.

00:52:54.000 The answer is no.

00:52:57.000 Shortly after Greg Abbott made his announcement, Governor Tate Reeves announced he would end Mississippi's statewide mask mandate effective Wednesday of this week.

00:53:03.000 Reeves tweeted, our hospitalizations and case numbers have plummeted.

00:53:06.000 The vaccine is being rapidly distributed.

00:53:08.000 It is time.

00:53:08.000 Now, remember, the whole purpose of the COVID social distancing and the masking and all of that, the whole purpose of the lockdowns was to prevent the overwhelming of the hospitals.

00:53:17.000 Nowhere in America are the hospitals threatened with overwhelm.

00:53:20.000 Nowhere.

00:53:21.000 In fact, even the Texas regulations suggest that you can kick in local mask mandates if You get within 15% capacity in the ICUs, except that nobody's close to that.

00:53:32.000 There's not a problem.

00:53:33.000 There are actually reports coming out yesterday that there were certain hospital administrators trying to game the system so as to artificially decrease the number of ICU beds so they could say they were within 15% of capacity and thus kick in the mask mandates, which is just unbelievable perversion.

00:53:47.000 CDC Director Rochelle Walensky strongly cautioned against those rollbacks.

00:53:50.000 She said, I'm really worried about the reports.

00:53:52.000 More states are rolling back the exact public health measures we have recommended to protect people from COVID-19.

00:53:57.000 We stand to completely lose the hard-earned ground we have gained.

00:54:00.000 Oh, do we?

00:54:01.000 Really?

00:54:02.000 Again, I would love some evidence that the lockdowns were super effective in the United States.

00:54:07.000 Any evidence?

00:54:08.000 At all?

00:54:09.000 Bueller?

00:54:10.000 Bueller?

00:54:10.000 Okay, I'll tell you what was effective.

00:54:13.000 Protecting the nursing homes.

00:54:15.000 And then telling people to use their best judgment.

00:54:17.000 And that was kind of it.

00:54:19.000 As some of us have been saying from literally the second month of the pandemic, as soon as it was clear what this virus was.

00:54:25.000 So, you know, they're gonna continue to push this.

00:54:27.000 And at this point, it is fully political.

00:54:29.000 I mean, it used to be, at the beginning, I didn't think this was political.

00:54:32.000 Now, it has become obviously fully political.

00:54:36.000 There's an amazing piece from Miguel Cardona, who is the new education secretary, talking about reopening schools.

00:54:41.000 Now, the CDC recommendations for school reopening suggest 96% of kids should not be in school right now, or at least they should be in a hybrid program.

00:54:48.000 Over 50% of kids are in schools.

00:54:50.000 My kids have been in school the entire year, literally the whole year.

00:54:53.000 You know what?

00:54:54.000 Nobody got seriously ill.

00:54:56.000 Nobody died.

00:54:56.000 There were no major outbreaks.

00:54:58.000 It is perfectly doable.

00:54:59.000 And in fact, these 6-foot distancing notions?

00:55:03.000 There have been a wide variety of scientists who have said those 6-foot distancing notions in classrooms are nonsense.

00:55:07.000 It is come up with out of thin air.

00:55:08.000 And it could be 3 feet.

00:55:10.000 It could be 15 feet.

00:55:12.000 It could be anything.

00:55:12.000 Right?

00:55:14.000 One thing we do know is that if you are in a small enclosed space for prolonged periods of time with people who are above the age of essentially 15, then there's a better shot that you get the thing.

00:55:24.000 But with vaccinations and the fact that so many people have already had it, I mean like tens of millions of Americans have already had it.

00:55:29.000 We are looking at herd immunity in the very near future, if we have not already hit it in certain places in the United States.

00:55:34.000 Nonetheless, you have the education secretary putting out a piece explaining how he's going to reopen the schools.

00:55:39.000 And let me just give you his steps to reopening the schools.

00:55:42.000 He says, we must continue to reopen America's schools for in-person learning as quickly and safely as possible.

00:55:46.000 Safely is code for, let me just sell out to the teachers unions. 1.00

00:55:49.000 So here are his steps.

00:55:50.000 The education secretary.

00:55:51.000 Note, the schools in Europe are open.

00:55:53.000 The schools in Israel have largely been open.

00:55:55.000 The schools in the United States, in places like Florida, they never shut.

00:56:00.000 Here are his recommendations.

00:56:01.000 Joe Biden, Secretary of Education.

00:56:03.000 Remember, this isn't political.

00:56:04.000 It's all science.

00:56:06.000 Oh, a summit!

00:56:10.000 Wow!

00:56:11.000 That's gonna be amazing!

00:56:12.000 Like, we'll get together and we'll jabber?

00:56:15.000 Maybe we should do it via Zoom.

00:56:15.000 Sounds great!

00:56:17.000 That's a little unsafe.

00:56:19.000 Says Secretary Cardona, So we're going to have, you know, a problem-solving, solutions-oriented approach.

00:56:22.000 Here's our plan.

00:56:23.000 First, we'll convene the experts.

00:56:23.000 Ah, more experts.

00:56:24.000 to local COVID-19 data, my approach with the nation's schools will be the same.

00:56:27.000 So we're going to have a problem-solving, solutions-oriented approach. Here's our plan.

00:56:31.000 First, we'll convene the experts. Ah, more experts. Who will these experts be?

00:56:35.000 Students, teachers, families, community organizations, and school leadership.

00:56:39.000 Oh, so the unions.

00:56:41.000 Second, we'll share best practices.

00:56:43.000 You know, like the CDC has been doing with their best practices saying no one should ever go back to school.

00:56:46.000 Third, we're gonna get to work right away on the education department's COVID-19 handbook.

00:56:51.000 Well, handbook, that'll do it.

00:56:53.000 And fourth, we need better data about how schools are operating during the pandemic.

00:56:57.000 So a study.

00:56:58.000 And then finally, we need more money, even though we still have $50 billion or something that is yet to be spent on the schools.

00:57:04.000 They don't want these places to reopen.

00:57:05.000 This is all politics at this point.

00:57:07.000 We all know it's all politics at this point.

00:57:09.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:57:11.000 And meanwhile, I will just note that my theory about Andrew Cuomo, that the reason Andrew Cuomo is going down in flames right now on the sexual harassment stuff is because everybody secretly knows that Andrew Cuomo should be going down on his COVID policy stuff, that he was not the best governor in America.

00:57:23.000 He was, in fact, the second worst governor in America after Phil Murphy of New Jersey.

00:57:27.000 You know how I can make that statement clearly?

00:57:29.000 Because all I have to do is look at the death per million rate.

00:57:32.000 Number one, New Jersey.

00:57:33.000 Number two, New York.

00:57:34.000 In fact, I can do this ranking pretty solidly, and I can say that, you know, if we just gauge elderly population versus death per million rate, that's a pretty good metric for which governors did well. 1.00

00:57:46.000 Andrew Cuomo is a damned liar. 0.98

00:57:47.000 He shipped COVID-positive patients back into nursing homes, undoubtedly that led to more outbreaks and more deaths. 1.00

00:57:53.000 Just basic common sense suggests so.

00:57:55.000 But now they're going to oust Andrew Cuomo on the basis of all the sexual harassment stuff, which by the way is like nothing compared to killing old people and then lying about it to your own legislature. 0.82

00:58:04.000 They're going to oust him for that because they don't want to come face to face with the reality. 0.98

00:58:08.000 This is why you're starting to see the damn break against Andrew Cuomo. 0.96

00:58:11.000 You'll note that New York lawmakers voted to remove Andrew Cuomo's emergency powers on the pandemic. 0.95

00:58:17.000 According to the United Press, Senate Democratic Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins and Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie announced the legislature would pass legislation to immediately strip Cuomo of the powers set to expire April 30th. They said a year into the pandemic and as New Yorkers received the vaccine, the temporary emergency powers served their purpose, it's time for them to be repealed. Okay, notice they're repealing his emergency powers amidst the investigation into the COVID cover-up and the sexual harassment allegations.

00:58:44.000 It never happened. 0.88

00:58:45.000 Now's a convenient time for them to remove Cuomo's power, but we all should recognize that what's really happening here is just everybody covering their ass for the fact that they never should have gone along with the Cuomo train in the first place. 0.57

00:58:56.000 In fact, Trevor Noah basically admitted as much.

00:58:59.000 Credit to Trevor Noah here for at least a little bit of self-reflection.

00:59:03.000 All those people who praised Cuomo so highly last year, whew!

00:59:08.000 Those people really don't look so smart now.

00:59:10.000 Delete the tapes, delete the tapes, delete them all.

00:59:14.000 I mean, it must be so embarrassing.

00:59:16.000 Can you imagine if you're one of those people?

00:59:17.000 Ha, ha, ha! 0.99

00:59:19.000 Just burn them, I don't give a burn them. 1.00

00:59:21.000 You call yourself a Cuomo sexual and I agree with you. 0.99

00:59:25.000 I feel like I'm a Cuomo sexual too. 0.72

00:59:29.000 Yeah, I think it's been really, it genuinely has been very inspiring and refreshing to see a leader like Cuomo Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 0.94

00:59:41.000 Yeah, so just remember, the real reason that Cuomo's going down, the real one, is because he was a crappy governor who handled COVID horribly and lied about it and probably got old people killed.

00:59:49.000 And the reason they're gonna use is this sexual harassment stuff. 0.57

00:59:52.000 That's just a reason to knock him off and then pretend that it wasn't about the COVID.

00:59:56.000 Because if it was about the COVID, then they were also wrong, right?

00:59:57.000 They didn't sexually harass anybody, but they went right along with him on the COVID stuff.

01:00:01.000 So they would have to, you know, avoid all complicity in that.

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The Book Burners Are Here | Ep. 1207

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