The Ben Shapiro Show - July 08, 2026


The Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Just Fell Apart on Video

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After 10 months, Candice Owens has told you that Tyler Robinson was never on the Utah Valley University campus. The whole thing was staged. The man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk wasn t even there. And then yesterday, prosecutors played all the tape, like a lot of tape. Never before seen security footage of Robinson arriving at UVA, moving toward the building, the car leaving campus after Charlie was shot, and sitting in that courtroom watching it were Charlie s parents and his widow, Erica, face to face with the accused killer. So much for he was never there.

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00:00:00.000 For 10 months, Candace Owens has told you that Tyler Robinson was never on the Utah Valley University campus.
00:00:05.000 The whole thing was staged.
00:00:07.000 The man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk wasn't even there.
00:00:10.000 And then yesterday, prosecutors played all the tape, like a lot of tape.
00:00:14.000 Never before seen security footage of Robinson arriving at Utah Valley University, moving toward the building, the car leaving campus after Charlie was shot and sitting in that courtroom watching it were Charlie's parents and his widow Erica face to face with the accused killer.
00:00:26.000 So much for he was never there.
00:00:28.000 Well, today we're going to go through the evidence from the hearing.
00:00:30.000 We've also got Lyndon Blake, our investigative reporter, here with me to break it all down.
00:00:33.000 Ambulatory psychotics. 0.97
00:00:34.000 Candace Owens is added again. 0.98
00:00:35.000 So, unfortunately for Candace Owens, reality exists and it continues to exist.
00:00:41.000 So, the second day of the Charlie Kirk murder preliminary hearing occurred yesterday.
00:00:48.000 And on Tuesday, prosecutors showed a bunch of security footage of Tyler Robinson on the UVU, Utah Valley University campus on September 10th, the day that he was accused of shooting and killing Charlie Kirk. 0.97
00:01:00.000 Now, to understand that this is rather damning for Candace Owens and her conspiratorial clique of morons. 0.95
00:01:06.000 She suggested that Tyler Robinson was never on campus like a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, with fellow dolt Sean Ryan. 0.98
00:01:15.000 Who do you think is behind this?
00:01:17.000 I don't think Tyler Robinson was there.
00:01:20.000 You don't think he was there?
00:01:22.000 I think he's a total patsy.
00:01:23.000 I think they get lookalikes and they got everybody wearing the same outfit.
00:01:26.000 I think he played a role.
00:01:28.000 And I believe that what he did was he picked up clothes and he dumped them behind the Dairy Queen.
00:01:35.000 I think he had a role.
00:01:37.000 But.
00:01:38.000 I do not believe that Tyler Robinson is the person who was walking in that staircase.
00:01:42.000 I do not believe the person walking in the staircase was even the person that we saw running off of the roof.
00:01:47.000 I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof.
00:01:52.000 Every time I watch an exchange like this kind of thing between Candace Owens and Sean Ryan, I feel a disturbance in the forest as if billions of brain cells suddenly cry out in terror and are suddenly silenced. 1.00
00:02:07.000 I mean, you become markedly stupider. 1.00
00:02:09.000 By imbibing this kind of trash content, markedly stupider. 1.00
00:02:15.000 Retardation is infectious, apparently. 1.00
00:02:18.000 So here is some actual video.
00:02:20.000 He was never on campus, you see.
00:02:21.000 Never on campus.
00:02:23.000 Well, I mean, here was the tape of him on campus.
00:02:25.000 I know.
00:02:26.000 Unbelievable.
00:02:27.000 Who could have foreseen?
00:02:30.000 Do you believe you recognize who that person is?
00:02:32.000 Yes.
00:02:32.000 Who is that?
00:02:33.000 I believe that it's Tyler Robinson.
00:02:36.000 All right.
00:02:36.000 Where does he go from there?
00:02:39.000 He heads out of the parking garage on foot into the campus.
00:02:44.000 And actually goes to the quad area of the campus.
00:02:47.000 At that time, he makes contact with some representatives from TPUSA.
00:02:53.000 By quad area?
00:02:55.000 Sorry, the amphitheater is what I've previously referred it to.
00:02:58.000 All right.
00:02:59.000 So he goes up on campus, visits the amphitheater area, the courtyard or quad?
00:03:03.000 Correct.
00:03:05.000 And then what do we see here now?
00:03:06.000 He returns on foot back to the same vehicle.
00:03:09.000 And what time is he returning back to the vehicle?
00:03:11.000 It's about 9 25 a.m.
00:03:16.000 By the way, Tyler Robinson and the video and footage of him were identified also by his parents as being Tyler Robinson.
00:03:22.000 Don't worry, Candace has a theory.
00:03:24.000 She has a theory.
00:03:25.000 Perhaps it came to her in a dream, perhaps.
00:03:28.000 In a dream, perhaps.
00:03:30.000 Her magical connections with the great beyond informed her of this stellar theory The person walking in the video they are presenting is very clearly a tall person, well above six feet.
00:03:41.000 No way that is a 5'10 or 5'11 person.
00:03:44.000 How tall is Lance Twiggs?
00:03:48.000 Just genius, genius level stuff.
00:03:51.000 Genius level stuff.
00:03:53.000 Fellow conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, host Jesse on fire, Jesse Merle, is now making the case that Charlie, believe it or not, is still alive and well, which must be breaking news to his wife and children.
00:04:06.000 I think this thing is a hoax.
00:04:08.000 I don't believe that Charlie's dead.
00:04:10.000 The standard pushback that I get has always been so what?
00:04:13.000 Charlie's just going to take himself and live like in the wilderness and he's never going to see his wife and kids?
00:04:18.000 I'm like, what are you talking about?
00:04:20.000 Charlie's a wealthy person.
00:04:22.000 Charlie is.
00:04:23.000 Is in league with the most powerful people in the world.
00:04:25.000 Charlie would be in a self sustaining 25,000 square foot, you know, doomsday home in Montana, and his family is there with him.
00:04:37.000 They're homeschooling their kids, they're all there, they're interacting with all the top people all the time.
00:04:41.000 Charlie's still running TPUSA.
00:04:43.000 That is exactly why Erica becomes the CEO, absolutely inexplicably, for any other reason.
00:04:49.000 How would she become the CEO immediately after?
00:04:53.000 Do you feel smarter?
00:04:55.000 Because if so, that is just the oxygen leaving your brain. 1.00
00:04:58.000 You are so stupid if you watch this. 1.00
00:05:01.000 Seriously. 1.00
00:05:02.000 You are making yourself dumber and you are making the world dumber. 1.00
00:05:04.000 I don't know how else to put it, people. 1.00
00:05:06.000 This is the great warning. 1.00
00:05:07.000 You are being made stupider. 1.00
00:05:08.000 But, but good news. 1.00
00:05:10.000 Candace has another backup theory. 1.00
00:05:12.000 Her backup theory. 1.00
00:05:13.000 Wait for it.
00:05:14.000 You're never going to believe this.
00:05:15.000 You won't believe it.
00:05:15.000 You're not.
00:05:17.000 It's unthinkable.
00:05:17.000 I know.
00:05:18.000 Wait, wait. 1.00
00:05:19.000 It's the Jews. 1.00
00:05:20.000 Or specifically, specifically this Jew.
00:05:23.000 It was me.
00:05:25.000 Apparently, according to Candace, because I said yesterday that my security was coordinating with Charlie's security.
00:05:25.000 I did it.
00:05:31.000 Why would that happen?
00:05:32.000 Maybe it's because my security team knew Charlie's security team because I do TPUSA events.
00:05:32.000 Well, I don't know.
00:05:38.000 Or maybe it's because my security was checking in with Charlie's security because Charlie's security, no one knew where exactly the shooter was at this time.
00:05:47.000 He was at large.
00:05:49.000 And my team basically went into lockdown.
00:05:52.000 And I would bet money, good money, that Charlie's people at TPUSA.
00:05:56.000 I was not the only person who was being talked to by people at TPUSA about security arrangements.
00:06:03.000 But according to Candace, because my security was talking to Charlie's security, what that means is that clearly we were coordinating the hit or the cover up.
00:06:11.000 She put out a tweet: Everything Ben did following the assassination made my alarm bells go off.
00:06:19.000 Well, I mean, if her alarm bells are going off, that's not the alarm bells.
00:06:22.000 Those are just the voices in her head.
00:06:24.000 I have told you guys there is something about the Daily Wire and their relentless stalking of me.
00:06:28.000 Following my firing that has made me feel altogether unsafe.
00:06:32.000 Yes, she is, she's unsafe.
00:06:33.000 Candace Owens.
00:06:35.000 I have felt their obsessive focus on destroying me is deranged and increasingly dangerous.
00:06:39.000 What did Andrew Colvitt mean when he told me it was supposed to be you?
00:06:42.000 Why did Turning Point betray Charlie so quickly by allowing Ben to open at Amfest after declaring immediately that he would pick up Charlie's blood mic?
00:06:49.000 Uh, I mean, what I said is we all have to pick up Charlie's bloody microphone because no one person can fill the gap left by Charlie.
00:06:58.000 Why didn't Ben mention this before today that he was receiving status updates while Charlie was bleeding out?
00:07:03.000 Well, because I didn't feel that my personal experiences were particularly relevant until yesterday when we were talking about the preliminary hearing.
00:07:12.000 I clocked that Ben was too invested in this, too invested, too invested, as opposed to Candace, who spent literally every waking moment since Charlie's death trying to spread conspiracy theories about his wife and, yes, his children and his organization.
00:07:29.000 His energy on stage demanding that Megan Kelly call me evil.
00:07:32.000 By the way, Megan playing this little game.
00:07:34.000 Now Megan is doing this routine. 1.00
00:07:36.000 Just side note. 1.00
00:07:37.000 She's doing this routine. 0.75
00:07:38.000 Can we put aside all the animus just for today?
00:07:42.000 Megan, you could have done the right thing.
00:07:43.000 You could still do the right thing.
00:07:44.000 You could still point out what Candace is doing.
00:07:45.000 You could still do it today, like right now, because time exists and we're in it.
00:07:49.000 You could still.
00:07:50.000 Anyway, his energy on stage demanding that Megan call me evil and his overprotective stance on Erica always registered to me as deeply nervous.
00:07:59.000 You mean me saying that you shouldn't attack the widow of the guy who got shot?
00:08:05.000 That made you deeply nervous? 0.87
00:08:09.000 Ben Shapiro, and here's the conclusion, of course Ben Shapiro is satanic. 0.89
00:08:12.000 Satanic is Candace's term for anyone who disagrees with her batch lunacy. 0.84
00:08:19.000 Everything in my soul tells me he worships Satan literally.
00:08:25.000 Okay.
00:08:28.000 I'm just going to point out at this point the things in her soul.
00:08:32.000 I'm not going to speculate as to what Candace owns as a soul, assuming she has one.
00:08:36.000 But the idea that I worship Satan literally no, I worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, you know, as described in the Old Testament, because I'm a Jew. 1.00
00:08:48.000 And I understand what Candace is trying to do because this is her entire shtick and it's vile and it's disgusting. 0.95
00:08:54.000 But. 1.00
00:08:56.000 You know, Candace is going to Candace. 0.88
00:08:57.000 The only reason to continue pointing this out is because, again, people like Candace continue to draw a crowd. 0.99
00:09:03.000 If you wish for the conservative movement in the United States to have the brainworms completely eat the prefrontal cortex, if you wish for a conspiratorial conservative movement that is unable to distinguish basic, obvious truth from overt, stupid, retarded lies, if you wish for a conservative movement led by the ambulatory psychotic, Then please continue down this road, please. 0.91
00:09:29.000 And ignore all the facts being presented in court and ignore all the tape and all the DNA evidence and reality itself. 1.00
00:09:34.000 And instead, follow this posse of clowns, liars, and losers down the primrose path to both moral and political hell. 0.99
00:09:42.000 Seriously, you could, you could do that. 1.00
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00:10:54.000 Joining me on the line is DailyWire investigative reporter Lyndon Blake.
00:10:57.000 She, of course, has been covering the Charlie Kirk murder hearings over in Arizona.
00:11:03.000 Lyndon, thanks so much for taking time.
00:11:04.000 Really appreciate it.
00:11:05.000 Of course, Ben.
00:11:08.000 So obviously, these preliminary hearings, as we've been discussing on the show, basically lay out in sort of bare bones fashion the evidence that the prosecution is going to present at trial.
00:11:16.000 The defense can make objections to the introduction of that evidence.
00:11:19.000 The purpose of the preliminary hearing is to demonstrate to a judge that there is enough evidence to actually go through with a full prosecution in the full trial.
00:11:27.000 But we are learning some things in these preliminary hearings over the course of the first couple of days.
00:11:31.000 What are some of the big things that we've been seeing?
00:11:34.000 Yeah, Ben, you nailed it.
00:11:35.000 A lot of people do not realize this preliminary hearing is not a trial, but you explained it perfectly.
00:11:40.000 Perfectly well.
00:11:41.000 This is to introduce evidence to be admitted to trial.
00:11:43.000 A big development on day two.
00:11:45.000 We talked DNA.
00:11:46.000 We talked about DNA on the screwdriver that was found on the rooftop where the prosecution says Tyler Robinson kneeled down on that sniper pad to take the shot at Charlie Kirk.
00:11:57.000 And there was also DNA found on the towel that was found wrapped around the rifle that the prosecution says Robinson used.
00:12:03.000 So the DNA that was, people are calling it a bombshell.
00:12:07.000 It's not surprising that Lance Twiggs's DNA and Tyler Robinson's DNA were found on the objects because they were roommates.
00:12:15.000 And, but still to hear Lance Twiggs, The roommate, the lover that has been the mysterious character in all of this, to hear his name brought up in court from both witnesses, from the prosecution and the defense, as having DNA on that screwdriver and the towel, along with Tyler Robinson's, was some new information that we haven't heard before.
00:12:34.000 I want to specify that the majority of the DNA, there was a mixed DNA found on objects.
00:12:39.000 We talked about mixed DNA a lot on this show.
00:12:41.000 95% of the DNA on one of the objects was Tyler Robinson's, 5% was Lance Twiggs's, on the other object, 89% was Tyler Robinson's, 11% was Lance Twigg's.
00:12:53.000 So the majority of the DNA that showed up on these objects was Tyler Robinson.
00:12:58.000 But that's where we left off on Tuesday with this DNA expert that was testifying for the defense, just explaining the DNA.
00:13:04.000 And the defense, of course, is trying to question her authority on the DNA to try to poke holes in.
00:13:11.000 Are you sure the testing's accurate?
00:13:13.000 Are you sure that you did all the steps correctly?
00:13:16.000 And of course, the prosecution and their cross examination of the DNA expert was just making her clarify the facts.
00:13:21.000 Another big thing that we learned on The second day, the preliminary hearing, we got to see a lot of new surveillance video, raw footage from Utah Valley's campus of what the prosecution says is Robinson.
00:13:32.000 And the person on the stand for the prosecution says that that is Tyler Robinson.
00:13:37.000 He was on campus multiple times.
00:13:39.000 One thing that stood out to me was the officer, Officer David Hull, said that Tyler Robinson came to campus, walked around, left, came back, walked around, left, then came back with a change of clothes.
00:13:52.000 And that's you got to see the person that they're saying is Robinson walk with that weird.
00:13:57.000 Leg gate, that limp up the stairs.
00:14:00.000 And there's a lot of video of that.
00:14:02.000 The officer was able to identify Robinson on the roof.
00:14:05.000 And he said that you could clearly see on the roof that he had something concealed there before he jumped off the roof.
00:14:11.000 And then what was interesting is Officer David Hole said that Robinson had a run in with a different officer hours after the shooting around 6 30 on September 10th.
00:14:23.000 And the officer got some type of weird instinct.
00:14:27.000 Took down the license plate and then the early morning hours of September 11th actually told Officer David Hole, Yeah, I ran his tag and it came back for Tyler Robinson.
00:14:38.000 So these are just new details that we haven't been given before.
00:14:42.000 And this is not going to be, if this goes to trial, that's when the prosecution is going to lay out every bit of evidence they have.
00:14:50.000 This is more of a low burden for the prosecution.
00:14:53.000 They're not going to show all their cards.
00:14:55.000 They just have to prove probable cause.
00:14:57.000 Tyler Robinson probably did this and the judge will decide to send this to trial.
00:15:02.000 But still, you're getting some interesting information, some new evidence introduced that the public hasn't had a chance to learn about.
00:15:10.000 So, Lyndon, what can we expect for the rest of this week in terms of more of the evidence that's going to be presented?
00:15:15.000 Obviously, it's going on the entire week.
00:15:16.000 It's supposed to end on Friday, I believe.
00:15:19.000 And then, do we know how long the delay is between the preliminary hearing and the actual trial?
00:15:24.000 No, there's been no trial date set.
00:15:25.000 But I think what everyone is waiting on is this recorded statement from Lance Twiggs.
00:15:30.000 That's a big piece of evidence that we have been told from sources.
00:15:33.000 Close to the situation that this will be introduced.
00:15:36.000 Lance Twiggs will not be there in person.
00:15:38.000 Ben, if you remember, this was argued a lot.
00:15:40.000 The defense wanted him there in person to cross examine him.
00:15:43.000 And the judge said, for a preliminary hearing, not necessary.
00:15:46.000 We have a recorded statement, an official recorded statement with Lance Twiggs.
00:15:50.000 We can play this.
00:15:51.000 And that's what we're waiting on.
00:15:53.000 It could come today.
00:15:54.000 The prosecution says they have about 40 to 50 exhibits.
00:15:58.000 That just means pieces of evidence to present during the preliminary hearing.
00:16:02.000 So we don't know when that'll happen.
00:16:03.000 According to the state, they have one more witness.
00:16:07.000 They listed four witnesses on day one, and we've heard from three of them.
00:16:11.000 So there's one more witness, unless they call someone new.
00:16:14.000 That will talk.
00:16:15.000 And so today could be the day that we get that recorded statement from Lance Twiggs giving an on record official statement about this heinous crime on Charlie Kirk.
00:16:25.000 And I think that's the piece of evidence that everyone is waiting to hear.
00:16:30.000 So, Lyndon, I mean, obviously, even in the first couple of days, there have been enormous number of conspiracy theories that have been trotted out by psychotics over the course of the last 10 months or so that have been completely destroyed.
00:16:41.000 There's a theory that was put out by Candace Owens, of course, who's been the leader of the psychotic brigade on all of this, claiming that Tyler Robinson was never on campus.
00:16:48.000 As you mentioned, We now have copious footage of Tyler Robinson on campus.
00:16:52.000 There were claims that the DNA was false.
00:16:55.000 That, of course, is not true.
00:16:56.000 There were claims that Tyler Robinson, again, was some sort of patsy.
00:17:00.000 There's been no evidence adduced to that by anyone at this point.
00:17:04.000 What do you make of the sort of broader context in which all of this is happening, where you have legitimately an entire ambulatory psychotic wing of the woke right that has decided that they are going to unspool conspiracy theories?
00:17:16.000 And every single day, those conspiracy theories are being debunked.
00:17:19.000 And yet, it doesn't seem the conspiracy theories ever go away.
00:17:22.000 Yeah, I have a lot to say about that.
00:17:24.000 The first thing I would say is this is a public hearing.
00:17:28.000 You can watch it for yourself.
00:17:29.000 We're going to have it on the Daily Wire today.
00:17:32.000 It starts at 3 p.m. Eastern.
00:17:34.000 And this judge, Judge Tony Graff, from what I've seen and the people I've talked to that have been in this business for years, he is a good judge.
00:17:42.000 He is doing a good job of handling this preliminary hearing right now.
00:17:46.000 And for all the conspiracy theorists, I would say watch the information.
00:17:49.000 And social media is a dangerous thing.
00:17:51.000 And even in the last day, when I have just been reporting, What the witnesses have said on the stand, people are coming at me.
00:18:00.000 Oh, you said this.
00:18:02.000 No, they said that.
00:18:03.000 No, in the world of social media where everyone thinks they're a journalist, in times like this, it's important to follow the people that know how to relay accurate information.
00:18:13.000 You can spin information any way you want to, and distribute it any way you want to, but that does not mean the information is accurate.
00:18:21.000 You need to follow people that know how to cover a court case and know how to give the accurate information out.
00:18:26.000 It has gotten to the point where it is nasty.
00:18:28.000 It is disgusting and it's unprofessional.
00:18:32.000 Let the facts play out in court.
00:18:34.000 Watch the facts.
00:18:36.000 Watch the cross examination.
00:18:37.000 Watch the clarification of the facts, and you will see a clearer picture of what happened on September 10th, 2025.
00:18:43.000 Well, that's Lyndon Blake.
00:18:46.000 She's, of course, our investigative reporter here at Daily Wire.
00:18:48.000 Lyndon, thanks so much for the time.
00:18:49.000 Thanks for the coverage.
00:18:51.000 Of course.
00:18:51.000 Thanks, Ben.
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