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00:00:23.000And you had hospital administrators dictating how doctors treated patients.
00:00:29.000Dr. Drew Pinsky is a board-certified internist and addiction medicine specialist with over 35 years of experience in national TV and radio, as well as a New York Times bestselling author and host of the Dr. Drew podcast.
00:00:46.000All within the past couple of years, crises like COVID-19, the fentanyl epidemic, and skyrocketing rates of chronic illness have pulled discussions about America's national health to the forefront.
00:00:54.000Dr. Drew's nuanced focus on public health has become a valuable resource to millions of Americans, particularly as our trust in our expert class has deteriorated to a historic low.
00:01:02.000In today's episode, Dr. Drew shares his personal experience being censored by the legacy media and his biggest frustrations around the pandemic and its aftermath.
00:01:10.000He also surveys the decay of the American medical establishment and highlights the backward incentives in our governmental agencies.
00:01:16.000While we navigate an extremely polarized political moment, the restoration of Americans' physical and mental well-being should be of paramount importance to all of us.
00:01:23.000Don't miss this important conversation with Dr. Drew Pinsky on this episode of the Sunday Special.
00:01:27.000Well, Dr. Drew, thanks for stopping by.
00:02:44.000I was in the valley, where everyone looks down their nose at you because you're from the valley and they act like you're on a farm or something.
00:02:50.000But living in L.A., the treatment is sort of like in New York.
00:02:53.000There are only a few places on the map that actually matter.
00:02:55.000And if you're anywhere outside those places, that's not actually like an important place in the universe.
00:02:59.000And then you spend five minutes outside of L.A., in say, South Florida, or hell, in Iowa, and you're like, this country's amazing.
00:03:05.000And there are amazing places here that are way easier to live and where people are a lot nicer than in L.A.
00:03:09.000Yeah, and so it's why I like traveling around and doing things.
00:03:30.000You'd forgotten this, but Adam Kroll and I do a podcast still to this day.
00:03:34.000And you called in one time and I said, Ben, I apologize because I told you I don't forget where I told you this, but I made the case that media wasn't biased.
00:04:07.000What lines did you cross at CNN and LHLN that made you persona non grata over there?
00:04:13.000So, I used to do Don Lemon's show almost every night, particularly during the run-up to the 2016 elections.
00:04:21.000And Don was trying to figure out who was Donald Trump, like, what is up with this guy?
00:04:24.000And I was like, well, you know, I don't really know him, but, you know, there's some narcissistic qualities, but, you know, it's not a malignant narcissist because his family, you know, you can't maintain a relationship with your family when you're a malignant narcissist.
00:04:34.000And he never sleeps, so maybe there's a little bipolarity.
00:04:39.000We have had presidents, great presidents, with bipolar disorder, with alcoholism, with depression, and some of our best presidents have been people with certain proclivities.
00:04:48.000I mean, that's an extraordinary office, extraordinary people should go into it, and that comes with certain liabilities.
00:04:54.000Not all liabilities are, strictly speaking, a problem.
00:04:58.000It's only when they affect functioning.
00:05:00.000Like Abraham Lincoln, his depressions were profound.
00:05:02.000There's a story of him dragging, I think it was Willie behind him, or Ted, Robert, in a wagon, and the wagon spilled over while he walked to the Capitol building.
00:05:11.000He left his kid like a mile back, and he was so lost in his depression, he didn't even notice it.
00:05:16.000Any event, so the next morning I come into my radio station.
00:05:18.000I had a daytime radio show at the time, and the general manager goes,
00:05:36.000I said, funny thing, her doctor has just released her medical records this morning.
00:05:41.000She had a transverse sinus thrombosis and a stroke.
00:05:44.000They had her on armor thyroid for unclear reasons.
00:05:47.000They were treating the hypercoagulability without a workup.
00:05:51.000I had lots of questions about what her doctors were doing.
00:05:54.000So I did 30 seconds on why I thought there was concerns about her medical care.
00:05:59.000Not that she was unfit for office, not that there was anything wrong with her physically or mentally, just that these medical records made me very concerned.
00:06:07.000Drudge report next morning, headline, finally a doctor says she's not fit for office.
00:06:50.000I mean, it is amazing the rules around what you're allowed to say about various presidential candidates.
00:06:54.000So, I'm old enough to remember when John McCain was running for president in 2008, and there were all sorts of questions about his health and his fitness because he was 72, which now looks like a spring chicken in American politics.
00:07:05.000I mean, he's 12 years older than Tim Walz is right now, 13 years older than Kamala Harris, and fully nine years younger than the current president of the United States, and he was running at 72.
00:07:14.000And whatever questions you had about his health, his fitness, all of those were perfectly appropriate.
00:07:20.000Then you hit 2016, and you couldn't ask what the hell was going on with Hillary when she was collapsing into a van in the middle of the race.
00:07:26.000By the way, that happened like two days after my crisis.
00:07:59.000You're not allowed to believe your lion eyes.
00:08:02.000I mean, there are things in medicine that are just, that when we treat medical students, we show them videos and pictures, so when they see it in the clinic, they'll know it.
00:08:11.000One of those conditions is Parkinson's.
00:08:14.000Parkinsonism, not Parkinson's disease.
00:08:58.000They're showing you features and they're saying, if a symptom looks like this, then give a differential diagnosis to all the things this could possibly be with this set of features.
00:09:06.000So, this is the part that people miss.
00:09:08.000So, I'm going to shine a light on that, because what we do as physicians, we see those features that we saw in the pictures and videos in medical school, and we learn the list of possibilities and how to differentiate amongst those potential causes, and then what kind of workup we need to differentiate it.
00:10:43.000From really running against him in the Democratic primaries.
00:10:45.000They assured that he received pretty much every vote possible in the Democratic primaries.
00:10:49.000And then the minute that he did that debate and showed everybody what we'd all been seeing, then all of a sudden it was like, wait, this guy, he's actually suffering from senility.
00:11:37.000And that 70% is the group we need to gaffe into reality and keep them fighting for things like freedom of speech and things that they need to fight for because they just want to live their lives and be left alone.
00:11:47.000But that 20% is the one you need to worry about.
00:11:49.000And those are the ones that get swept into these propagandistic shifts so quickly and they feel like That's what's happening.
00:11:59.000It's the 70% that needs to become more objective about this and look at it.
00:12:02.000And the sort of media bias, this sort of indoctrination that's been occurring.
00:12:48.000I want to talk about that in the context of sort of your own experiences, COVID-19, big pharma, and also with regard to RFK Jr., which I mentioned earlier, you and he have become pretty close.
00:12:57.000So let's talk about, you know, what has happened to the medical industry, the lack of trust that people have.
00:13:02.000It's sort of like how people feel about Congress.
00:13:04.000It's like 8% love Congress, 80% like their congressperson.
00:13:55.000All they concerned themselves with was the well-being of the patient.
00:13:59.000In front of them, they had deep relationships.
00:14:01.000With all of them, that was being systematically dismantled in the 80s.
00:14:04.000So this has been going on a long time.
00:14:06.000And there's one story I experienced that really was the cornerstone of insight into what was happening back then.
00:14:14.000I started running a drug treatment program.
00:14:16.000So my story is I'm an internist by training.
00:14:18.000I was doing general medicine when you could do intensive care medicine.
00:14:21.000I was doing hospital medicine, doing outpatient medicine, but I also had this second job in a psychiatric hospital where I was running medical services and I ended up running their addiction services.
00:14:30.000So I was just getting going running the addiction services in the program at this freestanding psychiatric hospital.
00:14:36.000And I got a call from a friend of mine who was a really excellent physician who had become essentially an insurance administrator running an HMO.
00:17:26.000Now that the standard of pain management had developed in North Carolina, in Florida, in California, doctors were having these million-dollar suits and going to prison for inadequate, not giving enough pain medication.
00:17:41.000Everybody stopped in place and we sent all of our pain patients to the pain management doctors who took the position that they were a white hat profession.
00:17:49.000I have quotes from them saying, literally, we were the salvation.
00:19:19.000Dr. Birx running around saying lockdown is the only way to do things, masking is the only way to do things, society is picking it up, regulators picking it up, and all of a sudden an evangelical physician Who gets a hold of the regulatory system and now it's on.
00:19:35.000It's the same exact playbook as the opioid crisis.
00:19:40.000I think the thing that people have trouble understanding is how a scientific profession, purportedly, gets captured this way.
00:19:46.000You understand how people get captured ideologically because it's all very vague and it's all kind of floating up there in the clouds.
00:19:51.000When it comes to science, the general idea was that it was all data driven.
00:19:56.000And when it came to things like pain as a fifth vital sign, when you're talking about, for example, self-reporting, it's completely unscientific.
00:20:02.000I mean, people self-reporting their own pain levels, it's completely subjective.
00:20:06.000There's no way to actually measure it on any sort of serious gauge.
00:20:10.000Not only that, but there was never a single study that showed that opioids were useful in chronic pain.
00:20:17.000In fact, I remember, because of the regulatory setup, you had to go to symposiums to maintain your license on pain management.
00:20:25.000And I remember I went to one, and the doctor stood up and went, one of the pain specialists, he goes, yeah, you know, we've never really had any data that suggests opioids are useful, so let's figure out how to use them safely.
00:20:36.000It's like, Why are you using them at all?
00:20:42.000The California Medical Society actually put out an encyclical saying that, like, no studies so far, but we're going to tell you how you should be using these things.
00:20:50.000Never, ever any studies in chronic pain.
00:20:52.000In fact, there still is no studies in chronic pain.
00:21:19.000That there was capture, stem to stern, to where the publishers, the great storied medical journals that I rely on and love, suddenly weren't publishing alternative points of view.
00:21:33.000I mean, the way science evolves, it never all goes one way.
00:21:38.000There's just sort of a consensus that builds as you build more studies, create more studies, built on differing assumptions, different analytics, different experimental structures, and you start to learn, oh, this is probably the, probably, not necessarily, probably the truth, and we reach a consensus.
00:21:53.000If you don't see other points of view, I only saw things in one direction, masking good, vaccine good.
00:22:22.000I never could understand why pharmaceutical companies were advertising this obscure medication that very few people would use.
00:22:31.000I understand they'd be very expensive and maybe there's a big profit margin or something, but why would you be Why those medications that are just not that commonly prescribed?
00:22:40.000And he meant, I think it was him that pointed out to me that, no, no, they're not trying to raise awareness about that product so much.
00:22:48.000They want brand awareness, of course, but they want to capture the media.
00:22:52.000They want the media companies to be their customer and to listen to them and to be unable to criticize them or to run afoul of their version of the reality.
00:24:46.000This isn't just about remembering the victims, it's also about honoring the heroes, praying for those still held hostage, and showing the world unwavering support of Christians for Israel and the Jewish people.
00:25:24.000I mean, one of the things that was very hard during that period is if you were a person who was data-driven and sort of broke down into three groups, as you mentioned.
00:25:30.000There were people who were immediately skeptical.
00:25:32.000There were people who were immediately buying in.
00:25:35.000And then there was, you know, a group of people in the middle.
00:25:38.000I sort of counted myself in that group.
00:25:41.000The problem is that when the data is bad and when the data is skewed, it makes it almost impossible to follow the data.
00:25:48.000For the physicians in that group, if they spoke up or raised their hands, and this is something I did not know until the COVID outbreak, 70% of physicians are employees.
00:27:29.000And I think even today, it's hard to tell what interventions were supposedly good, what interventions were— I mean, there are certain things we hear at this company.
00:27:37.000We actually sued OSHA to prevent a national vax mandate that the Biden administration was attempting to push.
00:27:42.000It went all the way to the Supreme Court.
00:27:45.000From happening, we internally at the company, we never had a mask mandate, we never had a vaccine mandate, we opposed all of that.
00:27:50.000On a personal level, you know, I will say that I think early on in the pandemic, I bought what was being sold with regard to the vaccines, particularly.
00:27:59.000I had said that... Yeah, I was certainly sympathetic.
00:28:03.000I mean, they were out there publicly saying that it was 99% effective in preventing transmission.
00:28:09.000Not that it was preventing death, that it was preventing transmission, which of course would make the case for some sort of herd immunity.
00:28:14.000And I'd never been in favor of a mandate, but my case was, okay, well, I'm not going to get it.
00:28:18.000I'm not going to die from it, but my grandmother might, so I should get it.
00:28:21.000They still have improper endpoints in their studies.
00:30:30.000I swear to God, I hope you'll take this on.
00:30:33.000If you're a college-age student and your college mandated you to get this and you develop myocarditis, you should sue the hell out of them.
00:30:58.000Somebody's going to die of a cancer and you want to take a lot of risk, for sure, take tons of risk in terms of what you're doing to help fight that cancer.
00:31:07.000But a 25-year-old healthy person, you're going to take a platform that maybe has some problems for that age group?
00:31:12.000There are two other vaccines available.
00:31:14.000You know, there's the Novavax and Covaxin.
00:31:16.000You want to push vaccines, why don't you push those two?
00:31:29.000On the other side of the aisle, what happens when institutions get discredited or when they start to fall apart, the normal human response is to kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater.
00:31:37.000So the idea is that Big Pharma in general, everything they produce is bad, which of course
00:31:59.000This idea that you can just cut off the money source for big pharma by cramming down pricing based on the federal government's demands, that's a great way to destroy all R&D.
00:32:26.000And that's what's hard about policymaking is that there really is very little room for black and white thinking about these sorts of things.
00:32:32.000You have to be as specific as humanly possible.
00:32:33.000So, you know, again, the anti-vax movement has gained a lot of ground on both the right and the left in the aftermath of COVID-19.
00:32:39.000Again, you can see why because people respond and they're like, okay, you lied about what the mRNA vaccines were doing or what they weren't doing.
00:33:48.000Or it gets obscure publication somewhere or goes on one of the, what do they call those websites where it's peer reviewed and no one reads it.
00:34:25.000Particularly a general pediatrician, general medicine, family, I'm sure your wife tells you, to actually pay your employees and it's just impossible.
00:34:33.000And to actually be independent and to the job, it's impossible.
00:34:37.000So when a patient comes in and wants to chat about something like this, It's challenging, but you need to talk to your doctor about it.
00:35:34.000has the idea, which is you have to untangle the incentives and the cozy relationship with the regulators, and you have to really do the right research, and do it properly, and do it well.
00:35:45.000and that observational studies are inadequate.
00:35:49.000It's just, it's not okay to say, well, you use it a lot, it's generally okay.
00:36:18.000I've got great guests for you coming up.
00:36:19.000Have you ever heard of Cali Means or his sister, his EMT doctor, Dr. Means?
00:36:23.000One of the leading surgeons at ENT left her practice to go fight this fight, because she started looking at all that was coming in and said, there's a root cause here, and it's food.
00:36:34.000And her brother was a lobbyist for the food organizations.
00:36:38.000He left and became an evangelist, be careful, anybody's evangelizing about anything, be careful, for this project.
00:36:46.000And he educated me that, you have to remember, the tobacco companies, when they pivoted, they pivoted to food.
00:36:54.000And they brought with them their scientists, and their lobbyists, and their marketers, and have deployed the exact same strategies that they use with tobacco.
00:37:03.000Make it addictive, protect it with the lobbyist, and market it aggressively and brainwash people.
00:38:16.000So what are the biggest problems for people to avoid, do you think, in terms of the food supply?
00:38:20.000I mean, we've all got to eat, so what are the biggest lies that people ought to make?
00:38:24.000I remember hearing this from nutritionists and dieticians way on, that real foods, things that come out of the ground, things that grow on trees, It's fine to eat chicken and fish and beet.
00:38:44.000And when you see seed oils, vegetable oils, I mean, that whole story is another story that's crazy.
00:38:50.000The fact that we pivoted off butter and tallow into things that are carcinogenic when you heat them up and get stuck in our fat and are metabolically destructive to us.
00:39:19.000Think how hard margarine was pushed on us.
00:39:22.000You look at all these issues, and you're trying to just kind of make your way in the world, and it's very difficult to figure out exactly who to trust, how to rebuild those levels of trust, and it seems like... Trust Ben.
00:39:51.000The persuasion and brainwashing game is at an all-time high in this country.
00:39:56.000I have something that stayed with me from the 70s.
00:40:00.000I don't know why it stayed with me, but it came back to me during COVID, which was I was watching a TV news interview, like a 60-minute type interview, and it was on Pravda.
00:40:12.000And somebody like one of the old 60-minute guys was in Russia talking to the lead anchor on Pravda television.
00:41:36.000What was amazing about the COVID crisis, or faux crisis, is that the unwillingness to even recognize basic medical facts, like people are not equally vulnerable to disease.
00:41:47.000Like, this is like the number one thing that we all refuse to recognize.
00:41:50.000It was like, if you're a 10-year-old child, you're just as vulnerable to this as an 85-year-old woman.
00:42:00.000Because pandemic is defined by excess death.
00:42:02.000So if we have one death, I don't know what we're talking about anymore.
00:42:04.000I remember from the very earliest days, I remember, because, you know, you're covering this stuff and it's like, OK, people want a proposal.
00:42:10.000So my proposal was basically the proposal from Sweden, which was we tranche out the population.
00:42:15.000So if you're 20, you should be in the workplace.
00:42:42.000By the way, when I was cancelled, somebody put together some videotape of me trying to get everybody to calm down in the early days and made it look as though I was saying, throughout the pandemic, you had no risk.
00:42:52.000And they cut out the one thing I really got wrong at the beginning.
00:42:56.000Which was, you know, we just went through this H1N1 pandemic.
00:43:35.000There's been a lot of talk about the mental health crisis in this country.
00:43:38.000One of the things about psychology is that, again, many of the diagnoses in the DSM-5, it's very, very hard to diagnose things properly in psychology because, again, the symptoms are much vaguer.
00:43:49.000If there's a rash, the rash is on your skin and you can look at it with a microscope.
00:43:52.000I'm going to stop you and say we are both over-diagnosing And under-diagnosing at the same time.
00:43:57.000I don't know how we get both ends wrong.
00:43:59.000But to your point, the one thing that you must look at is, is it affecting functioning?
00:44:07.000If it is not affecting functioning, it is not a diagnosable condition.
00:44:12.000It may become a disorder, but at this point it is a trait if it doesn't affect functioning in work or school, your financial health, your legal status, your relationships, your physical health.
00:44:23.000If it's not affecting one of those areas, it's a trait.
00:44:26.000And yes, you can get treatment for it.
00:45:38.000As opposed to, you know, what it used to be, as opposed to what it is now, which is, well, I mean, as long as they can go to work and, you know, have relationships, even if he thinks he's Napoleon, is that really like a huge deal?
00:46:15.000We have to start empowering patients, which is, I know you read things for, advertisements for TWC, the wellness company.
00:46:21.000That's why I got involved with them, because they are taking stuff right to the patient, and Dr. Kelly Victory is on my medical board with me, said, you know, five years ago I would have thought, maybe this is a little crazy, but now I think you're crazy if you don't do this.
00:46:33.000You've got to be ready, you've got to be on your own, you've got to do it yourself.
00:46:36.000So that's why I'm deeply involved with those guys, so, for the record.
00:46:40.000I'm Napoleon side and homelessness, I want to get to a little bit next, this idea that practitioners can't judge, so to speak.
00:46:49.000We have open-air hospitals in our cities.
00:46:51.000These are psychiatric hospitals without walls, okay?
00:46:55.000It's populated by serious mental illness and drug addiction.
00:47:01.000If you have serious enough brain disturbance that you cannot find a couch to sleep on or a family member to put you up for a minute, you have to lie down on the sidewalk?
00:47:24.000So you have open-air hospitals being run by social workers.
00:47:29.000Social workers are not trained to, they're not doctors, they're not nurses, they're not trained to even diagnose, let alone manage these conditions.
00:47:38.000And they are trained to meet the patient where they are.
00:47:42.000That is the most insane thing I've ever heard.
00:47:44.000If I met my drug addict patients where they were, well then I'd probably be handing them heroin too.
00:47:49.000You have to fight the illness, you have to be able to identify it, see through the denial.
00:47:53.000Assess it and know what's needed to fight it.
00:48:01.000You have to have a team and you have to fight it to save that life.
00:48:06.000A kid I've gotten to know now, he wrote a book called Crooked Smile, who told me the other day, he'd been off the street a few years now and he's thriving.
00:48:14.000And he said, you know, when I was on the street, I would meet these caretakers and they would all pat me on the back and go, You're a victim of capitalism.
00:48:23.000If we get socialism and communism in, this will all stop.
00:48:26.000But in the meantime, here's your heroin.
00:49:33.000I thought it was important for us to understand about mental health and to really be invested in it.
00:49:37.000I had no idea where it was going to go.
00:49:39.000But I think this is why, you know, when one institution falls apart, I think all of them fall apart to a certain extent.
00:49:44.000You've made that point, and I think that is true.
00:49:46.000And I think that the chief institution, and this is going to sound like out of right field, but it is, the chief institution that fell apart actually were churches and communities.
00:49:55.000When churches and communities fell apart, everything fell apart.
00:49:57.000Your doctor used to go to church with you.
00:50:03.000Everybody had a functional community in which you knew each other and you had the same general orientations for what was true and what was false.
00:50:10.000And when that fell apart and when truth became absolutely relative, truth cannot be relative in one area and remain stagnant and absolutely clear and set in another.
00:50:18.000And so as a country that has moved into a post-truth era, we tried to divide off kind of the sciences from everything else.
00:50:23.000We said scientific truth, It's a different kind of truth.
00:52:00.000And the truth has value, the truth has meaning, and we need to use our best practices to try to ascend to it.
00:52:07.000I don't know what else to say but that, the fact that that is not, I get defeated thinking about this, because it's so discouraging to me that the system that I valued so much, higher education, is perpetrating all this.
00:52:21.000And so you're doing nothing if you're not making the mind, changing the brains, changing the minds so that they continue to learn and continue to grow and continue to ascend to something like the truth.
00:52:32.000If you're turning them into parrots, into things that just parrot what you say is the truth or what is relatively the truth.
00:52:40.000I don't know where we go. I don't know where that goes. It just seems like an empty circle.
00:52:44.000Well, it sort of brings us full circle. This is why we have to have experiments in democracy,
00:52:48.000like California and Florida, so we can tell what works and what doesn't. And it turns out...
00:52:51.000Nobody acknowledges it, though. That's the problem. It's not acknowledged as such.
00:52:55.000I have found one beachhead in all of this.
00:53:03.000We should all at least be defending that.
00:53:06.000If we can all defend speech and really stand up where it is most difficult.
00:53:11.000Again, my peers as physicians who didn't do that because they're afraid of their bosses.
00:53:16.000You must speak what you think is the truth and speak up and speak loudly and take risk and do whatever is necessary to maintain and protect that speech.
00:53:26.000Then I feel like we'll find our way through this.
00:53:29.000But if we allow speech to be undermined, it's just so easy to point at that as the one thing that could get us through this.
00:53:38.000I mean, imagine we can't even have this conversation.
00:54:12.000When I was on CNN, your beloved CNN and HLN, I used to interview Nazis and white supremacists to try to figure out what was going on with them.
00:54:44.000Not because of you, because it's reflective of so much we're contending with these days in this country.
00:54:50.000And let me just say, I just think This country was founded on brilliant ideas.
00:54:55.000And I was, I don't know, I was rereading some of Lincoln's speeches, you know, the better angels of our nature and the mystic cords that bind us and the grays of every patriot and malice towards none.
00:55:07.000I mean, these are words that we should lean on right now and get ourselves back together and just realign with the principles that were laid out in these brilliant documents at the beginning.
00:55:18.000They were an approximation of the truth.
00:55:21.000They were based on The entirety of human experience with government prior to that point, and guess what?