Kilmar Abrego Garcia was deported from the United States back to his home country of El Salvador in 2011. He had been ordered to return to El Salvador, but he refused. The government claimed that he was a terrorist and a member of MS-13, and that he should be returned. The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed, and has now sided with the government.
00:00:00.000Well, folks, Democrats have what seems to be a somewhat target-rich environment, and they are blowing it yet again.
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00:00:27.000I have to say, I am amazed that the Democrats are this bad at this.
00:00:32.000It's just almost unbelievable how terrible Democrats are in this political moment.
00:00:37.000So, let's say that you're a Democrat, and you are given a story where the Trump administration, its own DOJ, had admitted to making a mistake by deporting a man who had a withholding order on him, that he shouldn't be deported to that place.
00:00:51.000And the administration looks like they just sort of ignored the withholding order, and then they were told by a court that they needed to facilitate this person's return, and then they didn't do much to facilitate the return, and then they got slapped down by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in some pretty brutal language.
00:01:05.000That's where you would jump on the due process is being denied, bad and wag.
00:01:09.000And if it can happen to this guy, we don't even like this guy, but if it can happen to this deportee, then it can happen to anyone, because once due process is denied to anybody, it can be denied to everyone.
00:01:19.000That would be the tactic that you use if you are a Democrat, unless you are these Democrats, in which case you apparently have your head so far up your own butt that you can actually spot polyps in your own colon.
00:01:31.000That is the only explanation that I have here for why Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen traveled down to El Salvador to try and broker a meeting with Kilmer Abrego Garcia.
00:01:42.000Dilma Abrego Garcia is an illegal immigrant into the United States.
00:01:47.000He had been found to be a proper target of deportation all the way back in 2019, but there was a withholding order placed on him because he claimed that if he were returned to El Salvador, he might be killed.
00:01:57.000The federal government suspected back in 2019 that he was, in fact, a member of MS-13.
00:02:03.000It turns out that in 2021, his wife filed charges against him.
00:02:07.000She filed a police report, at the very least, claiming that he had engaged in serious domestic abuse.
00:02:12.000The Trump administration then deported him despite.
00:02:17.000That this particular human being is no saint.
00:02:21.000There are a wide variety of police reports that have him being brought up on charges on a wide variety of topics that would lead to his deportation.
00:02:31.000There are accusations of everything ranging from human trafficking to drug trafficking to association with MS-13.
00:02:38.000In short, Kilma Abrego Garcia is not a person who is a particularly sympathetic victim.
00:02:43.000So, if you're trying to separate off the victim from the actual activity of the Trump administration, what you do is you ignore the victim and you focus in on the activity of the Trump administration.
00:03:39.000Regardless, he is still entitled to due process.
00:03:41.000If the government is confident of its position, it should be assured that position will prevail in proceedings to terminate the withholding of removal order.
00:03:47.000Moreover, the government has conceded that Abrego Garcia was wrongly or mistakenly deported.
00:03:51.000Why should it not make what was wrong right?
00:03:54.000And then this particular panel, again the opinion by Judge Harvey Wilkinson, says, It requires the government to facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador.
00:04:08.000Facilitation does not permit the admittedly erroneous deportation of an individual to the one country's prisons that the withholding order forbids and further to do so in disregard of a court order that the government not so subtly spurns.
00:04:20.000Facilitation does not sanction the abrogation of habeas corpus through the transfer of custody to foreign detention centers in the manner attempted here.
00:04:27.000Allowing all of this would facilitate foreign detention more than it would domestic return.
00:04:31.000It would reduce the rule of law to lawlessness and tarnish the very values for which Americans with diverse views and persuasions have always stood.
00:04:39.000And the order goes on from there, blasting the Trump administration, talking about how the executive branch seemed to be violating respect for the judiciary.
00:04:49.000Quote, the branches come too close to grinding irrevocably against each other in a conflict that promises to diminish both.
00:04:54.000This is a losing proposition all around.
00:04:56.000The judiciary will lose much from the constant intimations of its illegitimacy.
00:05:00.000To which, by dint of custom and detachment, we can only sparingly reply.
00:05:03.000The executive will lose much from a public perception of its lawlessness and all of its attendant contagions, right?
00:05:07.000So Democrats should be jumping all over this.
00:05:12.000And in fact, President Trump himself knows that this is a vulnerability, which is why President Trump yesterday was asked in the Oval Office, he was doing a meeting with the Italian Prime Minister, George Maloney, and he was asked by the press about Obrego Garcia.
00:05:25.000He said, listen, I'm not any part of this Obrego Garcia imprisonment story.
00:05:31.000I'm going to respond by saying you'll have to speak to the lawyers, the DOJ.
00:05:37.000I've heard many things about him, and we'll have to find out what the truth is.
00:05:46.000Okay, so the problem here is that Democrats aren't exactly focusing on that.
00:05:52.000Instead of focusing on the rule of law questions, Chris Van Hollen, the senator from Maryland, He decided that actually the smart move would be to fly down to El Salvador and do a photo op with the suspected MS-13 member.
00:06:25.000He said he would carry a message back to his wife.
00:06:28.000Nayeb Bukele, who is the president of El Salvador, then tweeted out photos of the senator with Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
00:06:38.000Again, a suspected MS-13 member who at the very least has a police record, accusations of wife beating and all the rest.
00:06:45.000Bukele tweeted out, Kilmar Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and torture, now sipping margaritas with Senator Van Hollen in the tropical paradise of El Salvador.
00:06:56.000Well. Bukele then indicated that nothing had changed.
00:06:59.000Now that he's been confirmed healthy, he gets the honor of staying in El Salvador's custody.
00:07:03.000So this, of course, is a ridiculous own goal by the Democrats.
00:07:08.000Taking pictures with the least sympathetic victims in the world, rather than focusing on the rule of law questions, is the biggest stupid own goal I have seen this week from the Democrats.
00:07:19.000I say this week because they're doing it all the time.
00:07:21.000And the White House immediately jumped on this.
00:07:26.000It's a picture of President Trump with Patty Morin, who is the mother of Rachel Morin, a woman who's a mother of five, who was raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant.
00:07:34.000It's a picture of Trump with her mother in the Oval Office, treating her sympathetically.
00:07:39.000Next to a picture of Chris Van Hollen leaning forward and treating sympathetically the likely MS-13 member.
00:07:48.000Genius level stuff here from Democrats.
00:07:50.000And it just shows you the reactivity of our politics, the reactionary nature of our politics.
00:07:54.000It is simply not possible any longer for people to hold two thoughts at the same time.
00:07:58.000That maybe Kilmer Abrego Garcia is a bad guy who shouldn't be in the United States, and also due process should be accorded, and that law should be followed.
00:08:07.000Democrats can't handle that, and so they have to valorize the bad guy.
00:08:11.000They have to valorize Kilmer Abrego Garcia in order to somehow tar President Trump as the bad guy in this particular story.
00:08:17.000It is political malpractice of the highest order.
00:08:21.000Republicans are, of course, going to seize on this.
00:08:23.000Now, again, the proper solution to this from a legal perspective is likely that if the United States could, if one senator could go down to El Salvador and basically pressure Bukele into allowing an MS-13 suspect to have lunch with the senator at a restaurant,
00:08:40.000it seems to me that probably the administration can do more to facilitate the release of Abrego Garcia so he can return, get his day in court, and then be deported again.
00:08:50.000Right? That is with no sympathy for Kilmar, Rodrigo Garcia, who should not be in our country, clearly.
00:08:55.000The fact that Democrats cannot square that circle, the fact that they cannot and apparently have no capacity to simply put aside sympathy for some of the worst people in the world is a pretty amazing fail, like a giant fail.
00:09:09.000Truly incredible stuff there from the Democrats.
00:09:11.000And again, they're in an environment where they should be making hay while the sun shines with regards to the Trump administration because there are a bunch of issues where the Trump administration is particularly vulnerable.
00:09:20.000One of those issues obviously remains with regard to the economy.
00:09:23.000Democrats, you know, I'm not sure exactly what they are doing, but then again, I rarely know what Democrats are doing because they love big government, and I dislike big government.
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00:11:42.000According to the New York Fed President John Williams, on Fox Business, they are expecting significant economic slowing this year over last year.
00:11:49.000I definitely have a view that growth this year is going to be significantly slower than last year, probably somewhat below 1% GDP growth for the year, and unemployment will come up to about 4.5% to 5%.
00:12:08.000Slower economic outlook, it may not be a recession, but it's not going to be great.
00:12:12.000And that, of course, would be a positive view of the economy.
00:12:15.000Meanwhile, according to the Wall Street Journal, one of Wall Street's most consistent profit engines is close to breaking down.
00:12:21.000Even before President Trump's tariff chaos, buyout firms had been struggling to sell their portfolio companies and return money to anxious investors.
00:12:27.000Now, recession fears and market turmoil have brought dealmaking to a near standstill.
00:12:31.000Shares of Apollo Global Management, Blackstone, KKR, and other private equity fund managers are down 20% or more this year, far worse than the S&P 500s.
00:12:39.000The longer that deal logjam lasts, the harder it will be for firms to hand money back to clients like pensions and endowments.
00:12:46.000So basically, private equity funds are getting absolutely hammered by the uncertainty in the markets.
00:12:52.000And right now, the only reason that the markets seem to be sort of roiling but not significantly dropping at this point, the real reason for that is because of uncertainty about what President Trump is going to do next.
00:13:03.000The uncertainty inside the Trump administration's economic agenda means that there's still great hope on Wall Street that President Trump is going to drop the China tariffs, that he's going to blow giant holes through them, for example, that a bunch of trade deals are going to come down the pike.
00:13:15.000And President Trump is feeding those hopes.
00:13:17.000Yesterday, for example, he said that we are going to make a great deal with China.
00:13:20.000Now, are there any ongoing conversations between the United States and China about the tariffs?
00:13:27.000What exactly would China do to assure us that they're not going to steal $600 billion of IP every single year and spread their tentacles throughout Southeast Asia, Africa, South America and the Middle East?
00:13:36.000Here's President Trump saying that a great deal is coming.
00:14:32.000And it's particularly real for businesses that are at the margin.
00:14:35.000Giant businesses might be able to shift their shipping facilities and their manufacturing facilities to other countries that aren't getting hammered with the China tariffs.
00:14:43.000But small guys are not going to be able to do that same sort of thing.
00:14:47.000So Tim Cook can broker a deal with the White House to get Apple out of the tariff storm.
00:14:53.000This is the problem with tariff regimes, that very often the way...
00:14:57.000To avoid the real downside cost of the tariff regimes is the biggest companies pay their lobbyists to go into Washington, D.C. and exempt them from the exact regime that's supposed to punish the Chinese.
00:15:07.000The reality is if you actually want to punish the Chinese, then you do have to hit Apple because Apple manufactures an enormous amount of product over in China.
00:15:15.000But Cook was able to broker a sort of detente with the Trump administration, according to the Washington Post.
00:15:22.000Cook spoke to Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick last week about the potential impact of the tariffs on iPhone prices.
00:15:27.000Cook spoke to other senior officials in the White House as well.
00:15:30.000He refrained from publicly criticizing the president or his policies on national TV, as many other executives have over the past several weeks.
00:15:36.000And by the end of the week, the Trump administration agreed to exempt from import duties electronic products Apple produces in China.
00:15:42.000That also granted reprieve to other firms like HP and Dell.
00:15:47.000Trump did so despite the recommendations of senior White House aide Peter Navarro, who wanted all of those tariffs to remain in place.
00:15:52.000And so Apple stock was sort of held up by all of that.
00:15:56.000The problem is that these tariffs are going to bite.
00:16:00.000So you either have to be willing to take the pain or you have to be willing to blow giant holes in it.
00:16:07.000China, for its part, by the way, continues to take a very strong stance against the United States.
00:16:13.000President Xi Jinping, the dictator of China, he has spent the last week visiting various countries in Southeast Asia in an attempt to draw them closer to him.
00:16:21.000One of the things that President Trump would have to do if he wished to actually win a trade war with China is not just cut China off.
00:16:26.000From U.S. markets, but get other countries to make common cause with the United States in cutting China off from their markets.
00:16:33.000Otherwise, if you have countries that are triangulating with China, well, then China is hurt and the United States is hurt, but neither is sort of crippled in a serious enough fashion to stop Chinese growth and Chinese ambition.
00:16:46.000So Xi has now visited Vietnam, visited Malaysia, visited Cambodia, and all of these are also manufacturing hubs and distribution hubs.
00:16:56.000So what you easily could have is a situation which China draws closer to these countries, manufacturers, sends to Vietnam, Vietnam slaps a Vietnam label on it, comes to the United States anyway.
00:17:24.000What we really need to do is get rid of the regulatory schemes in the United States that make it difficult for people to build in the United States.
00:17:30.000Now, all this talk about tariffs, how other countries have treated us unfairly.
00:17:35.000We have treated our own manufacturers unfairly.
00:17:37.000We have made it very difficult for people to do business in the manufacturing sector in the United States.
00:17:42.000Good piece in the Wall Street Journal today by Sham Sankar and Julia Diamond.
00:17:47.000Sham Sankar, of course, has been a guest on this program.
00:17:50.000He's chief technology officer of Palantir Technologies.
00:17:52.000Diamond is a partner at Allen& Company.
00:17:54.000And they point out that nearly half of generic active pharmaceutical ingredients consumed in the United States originate in China.
00:18:02.000In the past decade, the number of U.S. factories producing active pharmaceutical ingredients has fallen by more than 60%, largely because of state-subsidized foreign competition in China, which means America relies on drug source primarily or even exclusively from overseas.
00:18:16.000More than 90% of antibiotics and antivirals have no U.S. producers.
00:18:21.000Nearly half of all generic active pharmaceutical ingredients consumed in the United States originate in China.
00:18:26.000More than 100 are only sourced in China.
00:18:32.000According to Sankar and Diamond, the government can build incentive structures that make it financially attractive and fast to make pharmaceuticals in America.
00:18:39.000No single incentive, tariffs included, is powerful enough on its own to onshore production.
00:18:45.000Instead, policymakers have to use a lot of tools to stimulate greater investment in U.S. production.
00:19:05.000Meanwhile, the polling shows that while Americans are very hard on China, as they should be, and believe that China has screwed the United States on trade, as they have, Most Americans also understand that if these tariffs go forward, as they are currently constructed, Americans are going to get absolutely hammered in terms of their ability to buy,
00:19:26.000Brand new pullout from Pew Research Center.
00:19:29.000And what they find is that in total, a significant majority of Americans, or plurality of Americans rather, believe that China mostly benefits from trade with the United States.
00:19:42.000Some 25% who believe that both benefit.
00:19:46.000Bottom line is that even Democrats are split on that particular question, where Americans are not split on whether the tariffs will have a bad effect or a good effect on them.
00:19:58.000According to this poll, 52% of Americans believe that the tariffs will have a bad effect on the United States.
00:20:04.00053% believe that they will have a bad effect on them personally.
00:20:12.000That the tariffs will have a good effect on the United States.
00:20:14.000Only 10% believe the tariffs will have a positive effect for them personally.
00:20:19.000Those are not the kind of numbers that you need to sustain a trade war that has not been properly explained.
00:20:25.000If you're going to say that there is no cost, then you have to demonstrate how the cost will not materialize.
00:20:29.000If you are saying that there is cost, you have to explain what the cost is likely to be to get people to buy into this sort of stuff.
00:20:35.000Instead, the Trump administration Is now focusing on Jerome Powell as though Jerome Powell can bail the Trump administration out of its tariff policy by essentially inflating the currency through lower interest rates.
00:20:45.000So yesterday, President Trump threatened Jerome Powell again.
00:20:48.000Now, Jerome Powell got it totally wrong during the Biden administration.
00:20:51.000Why? Because he thought that inflation would be transitory.
00:20:54.000And so he failed to raise the interest rates until it was too late.
00:20:58.000And by the time he raised the interest rates, inflation was a permanent feature of the American financial landscape.
00:21:04.000President Trump is basically asking him to do that again.
00:21:06.000He's basically asking him to lower interest rates in the face of inflationary tariff regimes that are weakening the American dollar and making it more likely that Americans have to pay more for the goods and services they consume.
00:21:18.000So here's President Trump basically trying to get Jerome Powell to bail him out here.
00:21:46.000OK, so those sorts of threats are not going to make the market sanguine because what it sounds like there is forget about Powell.
00:21:51.000What it sounds like is that President Trump does not want to move off of his tariff stance, which is, in fact, inflationary, and that he actually wants to sort of backfill that by firing the chair of the Federal Reserve and putting in somebody friendlier to his agenda.
00:22:03.000Who will lower the interest rates despite the fact that inflation is actually likely going to move the wrong way in the aftermath of the supply chain disruptions that are going to occur because of these tariff regimes?
00:22:14.000Apparently, President Trump has been thinking about firing Jerome Powell for some time, according to the Wall Street Journal.
00:22:19.000President Trump has for months privately discussed firing Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, but he hasn't made a final decision about whether to try to oust him before his term ends next year.
00:22:27.000Apparently, Trump has spoken with Kevin Walsh, a former Fed governor, about potentially firing Powell before that term ends and possibly selecting Walsh to be his replacement.
00:22:34.000Walsh himself says, no, don't do that.
00:22:36.000He says he should let the Fed chair complete his term without interference, especially because if you want to really roil the markets and freak them out, fire Jerome Powell and then substitute somebody else who's just going to, quote unquote, do the bidding of the Trump administration.
00:22:49.000Make monetary policy subject to the whims of Peter Navarro and the Trump trade team.
00:23:30.000Well, I mean, one of the reasons also that the Europeans are doing that is because they wish to, for example, expend much more money on things like Ukraine, whereas we are not doing that sort of stuff.
00:23:39.000Scott Bessent, who again is the voice of reason inside the administration on these issues, apparently has been repeatedly cautioning the White House not to attempt to fire.
00:23:46.000Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, he said that would risk destabilizing financial markets, which of course is absolutely true.
00:23:54.000So, by the way, could Trump even fire Jerome Powell?
00:23:57.000I asked our friends and sponsors over at Perplexity, which is, by the way, the best AI search service just is, does the president have the power to fire the chairman of the Federal Reserve?
00:24:07.000The president does not have the unilateral power to fire the chairman of the Federal Reserve simply because of the policy disagreements or dissatisfaction with monetary decisions.
00:24:14.000The Federal Reserve Act specifies that members of the Fed's Board of Governors, including the chair, can only be removed for cause.
00:24:20.000This phrase has consistently been interpreted to mean reasons such as misconduct, neglect of duty, or malfeasance not for differences over policy or performance.
00:24:28.000In 1935, the Supreme Court set a key precedent ruling that members of independent regulatory commissions like the Federal Reserve can't be dismissed by the president at will, but only for cause.
00:24:53.000So, it'll be fascinating to see how that plays out in the courts.
00:24:56.000In the markets, it will not play out well at all.
00:24:58.000Meanwhile, the instability globally is not relegated to the financial markets.
00:25:02.000It is also true in terms of foreign policy.
00:25:05.000So, the Ukrainians seem to be doing their best at this point to try and give President Trump what he wants.
00:25:11.000So there was a lot of talk a few weeks ago about Vladimir Zelensky, the president of Ukraine, visiting the United States and signing a rare earth mineral deal.
00:25:17.000You remember, that's why he was there in late February.
00:25:19.000And then it turned into this face-off between President Trump, J.D. Vance, and Zelensky in the Oval that got really ugly.
00:25:26.000And Zelensky ended up being ejected from the White House and all the rest.
00:25:31.000That was all originally over this rare earth minerals deal.
00:25:34.000And right now, the United States is desperate for a new supply of rare earth minerals because China is cutting off the supply is one of the main spigots that China has to control the United States economy and harm the US economy.
00:26:09.000The only way the benefits of that deal materialize is if Ukraine survives.
00:26:14.000A deal with a country that no longer exists because Russia has walked all the way through it is not a deal at all.
00:26:21.000And ain't going to be no drilling for rare earth minerals in a war zone.
00:26:24.000That's just not something that's going to happen.
00:26:26.000And so the precondition to the United States seeing the benefit of the bargain would be some sort of peace or at least a ceasefire brokered between Ukraine and Vladimir Putin.
00:26:35.000The problem, of course, is that Vladimir Putin has shown zero willingness to this point to come to the table.
00:27:04.000It's got to be humiliating to the White House.
00:27:06.000President Trump came into office saying that within 24 hours, he was going to broker a peace treaty or some sort of ceasefire between Ukraine and Russia.
00:27:13.000And no one believed that that was a literal thing, but they thought that it was achievable fairly quickly, especially because President Trump himself had laid out how he was going to do it in broad strokes.
00:27:23.000And the answer was going to be, get the Ukrainians to the table by saying that our support does not last forever.
00:27:28.000We're not going to do this interminably.
00:27:31.000And at the same time, go to the Russians and say, listen, You guys should come to the table, because if you don't come to the table, we're going to clock you into next week.
00:27:38.000That is the way you actually get both sides, and you have to provide incentives for both sides to get to the table.
00:27:42.000You can't just incentivize one side to come to the table and hope for the beneficence of Vladimir Putin, who is in fact a brutal dictator, who throws people off the third story of buildings.
00:27:51.000Like, you can't do that, and then somehow assume that Vladimir, what would Putin's interest be in coming to the table, seeing the aid from the United States to Ukraine going away, regardless of whether he comes to the table?
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00:30:09.000The approach of the Trump administration on this has been to be very soft on Russia publicly, has been to be really hard on Ukraine, both publicly and privately.
00:30:19.000And that is not bearing the kinds of fruit that President Trump is obviously hoping for.
00:30:25.000So yesterday, for example, President Trump was asked about reports that China was sending weaponry to Russia, which clearly is happening.
00:30:32.000China, of course, is backing Russia in this war.
00:30:33.000China has basically made Russia its oil supplier and proxy state in this war in Ukraine.
00:30:39.000The same thing is true with regard to North Korea, which has been sending actual honest-to-God soldiers to Russia to fight in Ukraine.
00:30:45.000The same thing is true of Iran, which has been sending drone technology to Russia to fight in Ukraine.
00:30:50.000And all the bad guys are unified on this one.
00:30:53.000It's the good guys, the people on the other side of the aisle, who can't figure it out.
00:30:56.000In any case, President Trump was asked about China sending weaponry to Russia, and he basically pooh-poohed it.
00:31:01.000He basically said, well, we don't know that it's happening.
00:31:05.000On Ukraine, sir, President Zelensky has said he has evidence that China is supplying weaponry or ammunition to Russia.
00:31:13.000Do you have any evidence on those lines?
00:31:15.000And also, he said we could see a minerals deal signed this week.
00:31:18.000Well, we have a minerals deal, which I guess is going to be signed on Thursday, Scott, next Thursday.
00:31:24.000Soon. And I assume they're going to live up to the deal, so we'll see.
00:31:38.000Okay, so, again, the sort of downplaying of Russian activity, that problem continued at the UN, where the United States voted against a UN General Assembly resolution on cooperation with the Council of Europe, not because the United States doesn't want to cooperate with the Council of Europe, but because it included language condemning Russia's aggression against Ukraine.
00:31:58.000Jonathan Schreier, the acting U.S. representative to the U.N. Economic and Social Council, said, quote, So what exactly did the resolution say that was so objectionable?
00:32:13.000quote, recognizing also that the unprecedented challenges now facing Europe following the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine and against Georgia prior to that, and the cessation of the membership of the Russian Federation and the Council of Europe
00:32:23.000Quote, That is the chief thing that is being objected to, is that it blames Russia for invading surrounding nations, which Russia has repeatedly done for a couple of decades here,
00:32:39.000and mentions multiple times the Russian aggression in Ukraine.
00:32:45.000Has that softer approach to Russia been met with a softer approach by Vladimir Putin, or is he pushing where he believes there is mush?
00:32:51.000Well, the answer, pretty obviously, is the latter, which led to a breakdown in negotiations yesterday.
00:32:57.000Secretary of State Marco Rubio was attempting to broker some sort of rapprochement between Russia and Ukraine.
00:33:06.000He said yesterday that if there is no peace deal between Russia and Ukraine in the short term, then the United States will walk away from the table.
00:33:53.000And the reason why I make that point is the president has spent 87 days at the highest level of his government repeatedly taking efforts to bring this war to an end.
00:34:01.000We are now reaching a point where we need to decide and determine whether this is even possible or not, which is why we're engaging both sides.
00:34:11.000Okay, well, if it's not possible and we walk away, that is in fact enabling the Russians.
00:34:17.000If the United States walks totally away from both negotiations and any sort of military support for Ukraine, which side does that help?
00:34:25.000We're not helping the Russians, so we're not sending them military aid.
00:34:30.000What exactly is the threat to get the Russians to the table?
00:34:32.000Peace through strength requires the credible threat of use of economic force, military force, or any other sort of diplomatic action.
00:34:41.000If you just walk away, who does that benefit?
00:34:44.000Russia's sitting there going, this is great.
00:34:46.000Like, we've been intransigent, and then the threat from the United States is, well, if you don't make a deal, if you, Russia, if you won't make a deal, then we are walking away from the deal-making table.
00:35:16.000But if that's the case, we should just recognize this war is going to last a much longer time.
00:35:20.000If the goal is to get to the end of the war, if that's the actual goal, less killing, end of the war, if you want the rare earth minerals deal to actually materialize into, you know, rare earth minerals, then what you would want is the United States applying our unique capacity in the world to get Russia to the table.
00:35:37.000And I'm waiting to see the incredible diplomatic leisure domain of Steve Woodcoff and team in this particular area because I have yet to see it.
00:35:46.000Meanwhile, our White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan had an opportunity to actually go visit the unveiling of the RFK files with Tulsi Gabbard, the DNI.
00:35:58.000We are releasing the documents that have been sitting here at the National Archives Records Agency around the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy.
00:36:09.000Just the other day we discovered and found another 50,000 pages specifically related to the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy.
00:36:17.000There are more questions than answers.
00:36:19.000These are files that have been in boxes, in storage, never scanned before, never reviewed by the public before.
00:36:27.000And thanks to President Trump's leadership and his executive order, we have had well over 100 people going page by page, scanning them in.
00:36:37.000All to lead us to this day, where the 10,000 pages that have been sitting here are now going to be available online at archives.gov.
00:36:47.000You mentioned that you spoke with RFK Jr. about the release of these files.
00:36:51.000Is he aware of the developments with these and has interest in looking into these questions as well?
00:36:56.000His words were,"You have to get it all out there." We got to also go into the vault here at the National Archives and see artifacts that many people don't get the opportunity to see related to the death of JFK and also of RFK.
00:37:14.000So a really fascinating day, and we're excited to share this interview with you.
00:37:21.000Joining us on the line to discuss is Mary Margaret Olehan.
00:37:38.000The director of national intelligence was open to doing an interview with us with the Daily Wire in the National Archives about the release of the RFK files, which no other reporters had seen yet.
00:37:49.000And so what an honor to be in there with her and to thumb through these files with her and to look at them, to see these photographs.
00:37:56.000And to hear about what she has found already from these files.
00:38:00.000She told us that there was no smoking gun in there, but there are some things that are going to leave people wondering whether we have an accurate understanding of that assassination as it has been told to us.
00:39:15.000Where the bullet entered the shirt and ultimately killed him.
00:39:18.000But we also saw some really, really, I would say, unique and exclusive items that are Buried down in the National Archives there, such as some of the bullet casings related to the RFK or the JFK assassinations.
00:39:31.000We saw the camera that was used to record the JFK assassination.
00:40:37.000They're a little behind us time-wise, but he'll be attending a Good Friday service at St. Peter's Basilica, this beautiful historic basilica in Rome.
00:40:46.000And his family will be there throughout the Holy Week weekend into Easter Sunday, I believe.
00:40:51.000And then they'll be heading to India, I was told, for some meetings that they'll engage in with officials out there before they travel back to the United States.
00:41:01.000We also know that the Italian Prime Minister was at the White House yesterday, and I was just reading some of the pool reports from my colleague White House reporters.
00:41:11.000Who said that when J.D. Vance arrived to meet with Giorgia Malani in Italy today, she said to him, I missed you because she hadn't seen him for about maybe 24 hours.
00:41:22.000So that's a cute little back and forth between them in Italy only this morning.
00:41:27.000So I'm excited to see how these visits go.
00:41:29.000And, you know, I'm a Catholic and I'm interested to see and to watch the vice president's visit in Italy and in Rome as he gets to partake in some of these really special ceremonies.
00:41:41.000For many Catholics, that's a dream to be able to attend these services and masses in Italy, in Rome itself.
00:41:49.000That's our senior White House reporter, Mary Margaret Olihan.
00:41:52.000Mary Margaret, hope you have a wonderful Easter weekend and get some rest.
00:42:43.000They spoke with somebody who was sheltering at the time one of the students was on campus who immediately called for gun control.
00:42:50.000Yeah, no, it's no situation that anyone should be dealing with, no matter what.
00:42:55.000I mean, it's just, that's just, you shouldn't have to think about that when you're going to school trying to get your degree, because I'm graduating in two weeks.
00:44:03.000Again, one of the things that President Trump is great for, honestly, is preventing the excesses of the left.
00:44:08.000It's something that President Trump has two jobs.
00:44:10.000One is to push the ball forward on a wide variety of measures that conservatives want and that Americans want.
00:44:15.000The other is to stop the excesses of the left.
00:44:17.000And normally, Democrats would use this, again, as a leaping off point for a call for gigantic, large-scale arms seizures or for bans on the sale of arms or all the rest.
00:44:28.000The fact that's not even a discussion is definitely one of the benefits of the Trump administration.
00:44:33.000Meanwhile, the Trump administration is still trying to figure out exactly what it wants to do about Iran.
00:44:38.000And Steve Witkoff is leading many of the negotiations with regard to Ukraine, with regard to Iran.
00:44:43.000There are supposed to be these indirect negotiations happening between the United States and Iran.
00:44:47.000Iran obviously attempting to slow walk things, open up its economy.
00:44:50.000What they're trying to do is get the Trump administration to re-embrace a deal that President Trump called the worst deal of all time when he ran for office the first time, which was, of course, the Iran nuclear weapons deal.
00:45:00.000Cut. The bright red line is that Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.
00:45:43.000Okay, so what happens in those negotiations and what exactly does that mean for practical negotiations?
00:45:50.000Because again, the bright red line only gets crossed, you know, them getting nuclear weapons once they announce they have a nuclear weapon.
00:45:56.000And so the question is how you forestall that in the first place.
00:45:58.000There's a big New York Times article that we talked about yesterday on the show suggesting that Israel had considered a strike and that the United States had said it would not participate in that strike thanks to the intervention of figures in the administration ranging from J.D. Vance to Whitcoff.
00:46:12.000In any case, President Trump was asked about that story yesterday.
00:46:16.000He said, I didn't wave off the attack.
00:46:17.000We just have to see how things play out.
00:46:45.000So that's President Trump making clear that all options are on the table.
00:46:47.000As far as whether Iran wants to talk, again, we keep hearing this, that China wants to talk about trade, or Iran wants to talk about nuclear weapons, or Russia wants to talk about peace.
00:46:54.000When that stuff starts to materialize, I'll get excited.
00:46:57.000Until that point, I'm going to assume the worst from geopolitical enemies of the United States, Russia, Iran, and China.
00:47:03.000That seems like the intelligent way of dealing with their jabber.
00:47:09.000Are they willing to actually put skin in the game?
00:47:11.000If the answer is no, then options become significantly more limited.
00:50:31.000She credits her musical passion, if you can call that music, to her upbringing and claims to have been discovered by Whitney Horstan, which is really funny, actually.
00:50:38.000Quote, I got into it more professionally after we did an annual Harvest Feast Festival, and I was discovered by a really, really famous horse, also a singer, Whitney Horsten.
00:50:50.000Whitney Horsten, had you ever heard of that until this moment?
00:50:52.000Ever since then, I've been galloping around stages, and three years ago, I made the crossover into the human music space a bit little more.
00:51:40.000I have no more on Horse Girl, and there's not much more I can say on this other than the sort of lack of spiritual humanity in all of this is quite evident.
00:51:50.000When human beings want to be animals, that is never a good sign for a civilization.
00:51:54.000Being human means to actually leave behind the aspects that make you an animal in many ways.
00:52:01.000And to be a civilized human being is to leave behind the idea that you ought to be like the horses.
00:52:07.000Obviously, humans are animals, but we are also ensouled animals with moral values and duties in the world.
00:52:12.000And the more we embrace this idea that actually humans and horses are the same, the worse it is for humans.
00:52:19.000Okay, in other news, other cultural news.
00:52:20.000Apparently, a new movie has been announced, a new Star Wars film.
00:52:24.000It's directed by Sean Levy, and it comes off...
00:52:28.000The Rise of Skywalker and that entire series, the Force Awakens series, which was not good.
00:52:33.000Ryan Gosling is going to be starring in it.
00:52:35.000It's called Star Wars Starfighter, which, you know, I'm interested.
00:52:40.000I will admit that sounds interesting to me.
00:52:42.000It's a straight story of an X-Wing fighter, for example.
00:52:47.000But you have to figure out exactly what the universe looks like post-Rise of Skywalker.
00:52:50.000This has always been the problem in the Star Wars universe, that you know what things look like.
00:52:54.000From basically the end of the Republic to the death of the Empire.
00:52:57.000And that whole world is really interesting.
00:52:59.000But post the death of the Empire and the New Republic, they've really never known quite where to go with that.
00:53:06.000The Mandalorian kind of exists in that world a little bit.
00:53:10.000But actually, no, Mandalorian is before that.
00:53:12.000So there's actually not much that exists in the world after that that's interesting because they don't know what that world looks like.
00:53:17.000As far as Sean Levy, his films, he was a producer on Arrival, which is a good film.
00:53:24.000He's an executive producer on Stranger Things.
00:53:27.000He was also a collaborator with Ryan Reynolds by directing Free Guy, The Atom Project, and Deadpool, and Wolverine, all of which are not good.