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00:00:00.000 Zorin Mamdani is about to be elected.

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00:00:44.000 Well, the first rule of Marxist revolution is that it must always eat its own.

00:00:48.000 And we're beginning to see that even before Zorin Mamdani is elected mayor of New York.

00:00:52.000 Very high likelihood that that is going to happen.

00:00:54.000 According to the betting markets, it is almost a certainty, actually, that Zor Mamdani becomes the mayor of New York over on Calci, for example.

00:01:02.000 He's got a 92% shot of becoming the mayor of New York.

00:01:06.000 And barring some sort of cataclysmic event like Curtis Sleewa dropping out in the next five minutes, it is very likely that Mamdani becomes mayor of New York, specifically because the vote splits and he wins with 45% of the vote or something.

00:01:17.000 But the heartburn is already setting in because here is the problem.

00:01:22.000 Once people begin to govern, it turns out that there are actual rules to governance.

00:01:25.000 You actually have to be a person capable of carrying out the office of mayor, and there are obstacles to that.

00:01:30.000 And so all of the bizarre radical signaling that you've been doing runs up against reality.

00:01:36.000 And make no mistake, Zor Mamdani is as radical as it is possible for a candidate to be.

00:01:40.000 The man has embraced Marxism.

00:01:42.000 He has embraced jihadism.

00:01:44.000 I mean, remember, this is a person whose parents are radical.

00:01:47.000 I mean, he's a second-generation radical.

00:01:51.000 Here is some tape that just emerged of his father comparing Abraham Lincoln to Adolf Hitler.

00:01:55.000 This is in 2022.

00:01:56.000 Again, it's very recent footage.

00:01:59.000 Abraham Lincoln generalized the solution of reservations.

00:02:04.000 They herded American Indians into separate territories. 0.96

00:02:11.000 For the Nazis, for the Nazis, this was the inspiration. 0.98

00:02:18.000 Hitler realized two things: one, that genocide was doable. 0.87

00:02:25.000 It is possible to do genocide.

00:02:28.000 That's what Hitler realized. 0.95

00:02:32.000 Well, again, this is the well from which Zor Mamdani draws. 0.97

00:02:37.000 He came to America as one of the privileged scions of an immigrant family, his father, a Columbia University, an anti-American professor, his mom, an anti-American producer, both of whom believed in this sort of racial hierarchy of victimhood.

00:02:52.000 And now he's the leading candidate for mayor of New York.

00:02:55.000 He's going to run up against some problems.

00:02:56.000 And this is a point that Politico makes.

00:02:59.000 Zor Mamdani and the New York City Democratic Socialists of America will have some relationship issues to iron out if he's elected mayor of the nation's largest metropolis.

00:03:07.000 The DSA has been integral to his success.

00:03:09.000 And as we discussed on the show, the DSA is a revolutionary movement.

00:03:11.000 They're not interested in governance.

00:03:13.000 They're interested in revolution.

00:03:14.000 They want to overthrow capitalism.

00:03:16.000 They want to overthrow the Constitution.

00:03:18.000 They hate all of these things.

00:03:20.000 But the problem is that once they get people elected to office, those people usually have to operate at least within some boundaries.

00:03:27.000 As Politico points out, how the arrangement will work out, should Mamdani win on November 4th, it's uncharted territory.

00:03:33.000 Christina Greer of Fordham University, she says one of two things will happen.

00:03:37.000 They'll give him a grace period and let him get his sea legs and recognize compromise as a way to get something done, or they become one of his biggest obstacles.

00:03:44.000 And if that happens, he'll be fighting people from the right and the left.

00:03:48.000 Well, again, it is clear that he is going to, in some areas, moderate because he doesn't want to completely destroy all credibility with the New York population.

00:03:56.000 So, for example, he wants to retain the NYPD commissioner, Jessica Tisch, and he has committed to following through with the city's plan to build four new jails to replace Rikers, which is something that both he and the DSA had previously opposed.

00:04:11.000 Well, we'll see if they give him any space.

00:04:14.000 My theory is that they will give him some space, that they will allow him to be as revolutionary as he wants to be within the formatics that have been provided to him, and then they will gradually hollow out the movement.

00:04:25.000 What the DSA is realizing is something that people on, I think, all sides of the political aisle are realizing, is that if you maintain your extremely radical ground, but you operate within the party system, you're able to more quickly take power than if you operate outside the party system and just try to browbeat people.

00:04:43.000 That hijacking a party, as it turns out, is way, way, way easier than forming your own.

00:04:48.000 That ideologically twisting and turning people or kind of the soft libs into Marxist fellow travelers is incredibly easy because people will go along with it in order to quote unquote stop the other side.

00:04:59.000 Tribalism in politics means the death of the normie center.

00:05:03.000 That's what it means.

00:05:05.000 It means that the DSA, of course, in the end, I think this is all this heartburn, this angst, it's going to be overplayed.

00:05:11.000 They know exactly who Zorn Mamdani is.

00:05:13.000 They know he's a revolutionary, and they are perfectly happy to fellow travel with him, knowing that his heart is in the revolutionary place.

00:05:19.000 Now, maybe he ends up stopping short.

00:05:22.000 Maybe they end up turning on him when he's no longer useful to the movement.

00:05:25.000 Marxist movements have a real habit of doing this.

00:05:28.000 They will turn on absolute butchers like Leon Trotsky if it turns out that he is now inhibiting the next step of the revolution.

00:05:36.000 But my inclination would be that they will give Zorin Mamdani an awful lot of rope with which to hang the city of New York before they make those sorts of moves. 0.85

00:05:44.000 And again, the Democratic Party has now built itself around the radicals, which is why you see Ilhan Omar out there as a chief advocate for Zorin Mamdani on the basis that Zorin Mamdani is being attacked for his Islamic religion, not for the pro-jihadism or the pro-Marxism, or for the fact that he's never held a real day job and that he's one of the great leeches on the butt of American society. 0.69

00:06:06.000 Now, according to Ilhan Omar, it's all about all the resistance to Zorin Mamdani is about the fact that he's a Muslim.

00:06:10.000 Here she was on CNN.

00:06:12.000 Well, the tsunami of the anti-Muslim attacks that we are seeing is deeply concerning.

00:06:20.000 And I would hope that the Democratic leader in the Senate would recognize that and would offer support, not just to Mamdani, but the million Muslims who live in New York City and the millions who live in New York and in America.

00:06:39.000 Now, again, the revolution is the only thing that matters here.

00:06:41.000 The truth doesn't matter.

00:06:42.000 The revolution is the only thing that matters.

00:06:44.000 And apparently that's true even for many voters in New York.

00:06:47.000 There's a brand new poll out, according to the UK Daily Mail, done for jail partners, talking about what New Yorkers think is going to happen if Mamdani is elected.

00:06:56.000 In that poll, he has a 15-point lead over Andrew Cuomo, the former New York governor.

00:07:00.000 The poll shows that many New Yorkers who do not support Mamdani are convinced he's going to destroy New York.

00:07:05.000 They think that his mayoralty will mark a return to urban decay of the 1980s when the city was blighted by poverty, rampant crime, crumbling infrastructure, and abandoned buildings.

00:07:14.000 Even his own supporters think he will make anti-Semitism in New York worse rather than better, which, of course, is obviously true since he really, really, really is an anti-Semite. 0.96

00:07:23.000 Among voters who have made up their minds, Mamdani was on 46% support according to the poll.

00:07:28.000 He has a 35-point lead over Cuomo for voters under the age of 30, according to this new poll.

00:07:34.000 The poll finds that New Yorkers expect a huge variety of problems to get worse under Mayor Mamdani.

00:07:40.000 47% of New Yorkers think crime and violence will get worse.

00:07:43.000 Only 32% believe the city will be safer.

00:07:48.000 For voters under 30, 49% believed that safety would improve under Mamdani.

00:07:52.000 But among the over 65s, only 26% thought the city would be safer, showing that there's a real problem with prefrontal cortex development among people under the age of 30, obviously.

00:08:03.000 Most New Yorkers think that there will either be no change or that affordability of housing will get worse under Zoran Momdani.

00:08:14.000 The vast majority of New Yorkers think that the number of businesses will either stay the same or go down.

00:08:19.000 43%.

00:08:20.000 of New Yorkers, a plurality, think that number of businesses will go down.

00:08:24.000 The risk of terrorism will dramatically rise 39 to 18.

00:08:30.000 And so again, it's not as though New Yorkers are unaware of what's happening here.

00:08:34.000 New Yorkers are perfectly aware.

00:08:36.000 It's just that they are willing to risk it.

00:08:38.000 They're willing to risk it because they want to make the revolutionary statement.

00:08:43.000 They want the revolutionary statement.

00:08:45.000 In fact, non-Momdani voters, they say that disaster is like the number one thing about Mom Dani.

00:08:51.000 Like there's a word cloud of words that they use when they're polled, how to describe Mom Dani.

00:08:55.000 And they said, New York will be a disaster, a bleep poll, destroyed in hell.

00:09:01.000 How about the people who like him?

00:09:04.000 The people who like him say affordable, improved, equitable.

00:09:10.000 Okay, so New York City is split like much of the rest of the country, right down the middle.

00:09:15.000 But in the end, the bottom line is that most New Yorkers, a plurality of New Yorkers understand things are going to be bad, but they don't have the strength to stop him.

00:09:23.000 That is the real key to this election.

00:09:25.000 The key to this election is not that Mom Dani is overwhelmingly popular.

00:09:28.000 He's scoring in the mid-40s in every poll.

00:09:28.000 He is not.

00:09:30.000 The key to the election is no one has the balls to stop him. 0.95

00:09:34.000 Salilo's not dropping out, which means support can't consolidate around Cuomo. 0.89

00:09:38.000 Cuomo's attack lines all seem to be directed at Republicans rather than at Momdani, bizarrely, suggesting, well, you know, if Momdani takes over, then Trump is going to attack his, really?

00:09:46.000 That's your line?

00:09:47.000 Your line isn't that he's going to make crime worse and prices worse and back jihadism and back anti-Semitism and monarchism.

00:09:56.000 The moderate, squishy left has given way to the radicals and their silence speaks volumes.

00:10:02.000 It is why you've seen so many mainstream Democratic figures swirl and swivel behind Momdani and decide that it's perfectly fine for him to take a leadership position.

00:10:10.000 And this is what happens to many parties, the so-called moderates who are more invested in the success of the party than they are in the principles of the party.

00:10:19.000 Give way to the people who are more interested in shifting and moving the principles of the party than they are in the success of the party.

00:10:26.000 That is sort of the truism on both sides of the aisle when it comes to politics these days.

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00:12:48.000 Okay, meanwhile, the government shutdown continues apace.

00:12:51.000 We're about to hit the snap cutoff tomorrow.

00:12:53.000 That is when federal funding of snap is set to expire.

00:12:57.000 This, of course, is dangerous political territory for everybody involved.

00:13:01.000 A brand new poll shows that independents actually hold Trump and Republicans responsible for the shutdown.

00:13:09.000 According to the latest polling data from Washington Post, ABC News Ipsos, 45% say Trump and the GOP are mainly responsible for the shutdown.

00:13:19.000 But 30% actually, which is what they used to say, Democrats were at 30%, 33% believe the shutdown is Democrats' fault in the latest poll.

00:13:29.000 And among registered voters, 37% blame Democrats and 46% blame the Republicans.

00:13:36.000 Three-quarters of American adults say they are very or somewhat concerned about the shutdown.

00:13:42.000 Concern is now growing.

00:13:44.000 I mean, let's be real about this.

00:13:45.000 Obviously, a huge number of Americans are dependent on SNAP.

00:13:48.000 That's the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. 0.88

00:13:50.000 A huge number of Americans.

00:13:52.000 I mean, in my own community, the call for private charity has gone out to replace that.

00:13:57.000 We're giving because we want to make sure that people have food.

00:14:00.000 And the story of SNAP really is the story of increased dependency in the United States and how government crowds out charity and generates poverty.

00:14:08.000 I mean, the fact that there are 42 million Americans on SNAP is totally insane.

00:14:12.000 One in eight Americans is currently on SNAP.

00:14:15.000 In 2023, we spent $145 billion on SNAP programs.

00:14:20.000 And it's not just going to people who are abjectly poor.

00:14:22.000 Something like four in 10 SNAP households have at least one working adult, meaning a large portion of people who are getting it already have jobs.

00:14:31.000 Snap has become actually what it actually is: a corporate subsidy in many ways.

00:14:36.000 Snap is basically a way to make sure that people who are making minimum wage at McDonald's have enough food on the table.

00:14:43.000 If you got rid of SNAP, what would actually happen is a competition for workers that would require an increase in wages.

00:14:49.000 So actually, corporations are very happy with SNAP.

00:14:52.000 They don't bear most of the burden.

00:14:53.000 The taxpayers pay most of the burden.

00:14:56.000 And then they get to pay their workers less because SNAP is there to sort of fill in the gaps.

00:15:01.000 And the roles are not just ballooning because of economic hardship, but because eligibility over the years has exploded.

00:15:06.000 A bunch of different states use something called broad-based categorical eligibility, which is a sort of loophole.

00:15:11.000 And it actually allows people with incomes up to 200% of the poverty line qualify.

00:15:15.000 And then sometimes it even waives asset tests entirely.

00:15:19.000 So you can theoretically have a decent income and a nice car and even money in the bank and still qualify for SNAP.

00:15:24.000 Millions of people have been invited onto the rolls.

00:15:28.000 There's waste.

00:15:29.000 There's abuse.

00:15:30.000 Every time somebody tries to cut it or change it, people then claim that millions of people will go starving.

00:15:36.000 And then there's a problem, which is illegal immigration.

00:15:38.000 Federal law says that non-citizens aren't eligible for SNAP, but there are a bunch of loopholes and tax lax verification status that means benefits can actually flow to people in mixed status households.

00:15:49.000 So, for example, illegal immigrants come to the United States, they drop a baby, the baby is eligible for SNAP, now the whole household is eligible for SNAP. 0.98

00:15:57.000 So, a lot of the time, taxpayer money is covering families who are here not lawfully.

00:16:02.000 There are certain conservative groups that estimate billions in benefits are indirectly supporting households with at least one illegal immigrant member. 0.52

00:16:08.000 Well, it turns out all these numbers add up.

00:16:10.000 I asked our friends and sponsors at Comet, a project of perplexity, since the LBJ era, how much have food stamps and the subsequent SNAP program cost American taxpayers?

00:16:19.000 The answer: since the introduction of the food stamp program during the LBJ administration and its evolution into SNAP, the total cost to American taxpayers has exceeded a trillion dollars, a trillion dollars.

00:16:32.000 And you can see how it's elevated.

00:16:34.000 And particularly in this period, it has elevated radically in terms of estimated annual spending in billions.

00:16:40.000 There's a chart that's provided by Comet here.

00:16:43.000 In the 70s and 80s, it was $10 to $20 billion annually.

00:16:46.000 Today, it is somewhere between $90 and $130 billion every single year and is only growing.

00:16:52.000 And just like every other program, to understand SNAP, you have to understand that it started off as a fairly tiny program and then it just expanded into this gargantuan program that eats up giant chunks of our budget.

00:17:02.000 Now, again, none of this is to argue that we could immediately cut off SNAP or should immediately cut off SNAP.

00:17:07.000 The reality is what we probably should do is push it back on the states, which is where the authority really should lie for helping out people in dire poverty.

00:17:15.000 The idea that the federal government ought to take the predominant role in determining who gets food stamps in Mississippi is kind of ridiculous, frankly.

00:17:24.000 And these are local issues.

00:17:25.000 And the Constitution was written without the power of the federal government to do any of this sort of stuff.

00:17:30.000 The federal government does not have the power to do this.

00:17:32.000 It is a violation of the Constitution.

00:17:34.000 That does not mean that localities, cities, states, churches shouldn't do something.

00:17:38.000 But this is just another example of how things that start off as small programs end up just eating the entire budget of the federal government.

00:17:45.000 If you want to talk about the expansion of the national debt, you can't do that without talking about these entitlement programs.

00:17:52.000 This thing, like Social Security, started off under FDR and it started off small.

00:17:56.000 In 1939, FDR launched the first food stamp program.

00:18:00.000 The goal at the time was sort of dual.

00:18:03.000 One was to help people who are poor afford food, and the other was to boost the price of crops because the Great Depression involved a shortage of money supply.

00:18:12.000 And so one of the things that happened is prices dropped dramatically.

00:18:16.000 And because prices dropped dramatically, farmers felt that they could not actually unload their crops.

00:18:20.000 So the way that it worked originally is that people who are on relief, which is what they used to call welfare, could buy orange stamps that were equal to their normal food budget.

00:18:27.000 They'd spend a buck and then they'd get 50 cents of blue stamps to buy surplus foods.

00:18:31.000 Over about four years, 20 million Americans used that first food stamp program.

00:18:36.000 At the very, very top of it, at the very top of the peak of the food stamp program, they had like 4 million enrollees.

00:18:41.000 And then it ended during World War II.

00:18:43.000 And then in 1960, it was sort of reinstated in 1961 because there was a bit of a rough economic bump.

00:18:50.000 And there was a pilot program that basically let people buy stamps just to get more regular groceries as opposed to having a separate blue stamp.

00:18:58.000 It was still a small program.

00:19:00.000 In 1964, there were 380,000 recipients.

00:19:03.000 Then came the LBJ era.

00:19:04.000 And just like everything else in American life, the Constitution was ritually debased under LBJ.

00:19:10.000 And LBJ expanded the food stamp program under the Food Stamp Act of 1964, which led to, by 1970, 10 million Americans on food stamps.

00:19:21.000 And by 1974, 15 million Americans on food stamps.

00:19:26.000 Reagan tried to cut it back a little bit. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Then it was expanded again back in the early 1990s, late 1980s, early 1990s.

00:19:35.000 And then it was cut back a little bit in the 1996 Welfare Reform Act.

00:19:39.000 And then George W. Bush really expanded the food stamp program.

00:19:44.000 It expanded eligibility, for example, for legal immigrants after five years in the United States.

00:19:48.000 One of the 1996 restrictions was that legal immigrants were not eligible for food stamps.

00:19:54.000 And so now legal immigrants were eligible after some five years.

00:19:57.000 Also, everybody started using EBT cards.

00:19:59.000 So one of the things that food stamps used to be was sort of stigmatizing.

00:20:02.000 Now, of course, it's not.

00:20:03.000 It just swipes like a debit card.

00:20:06.000 In 2008, Congress passed another farm bill that increased funding by $10 billion over 10 years and officially changed the name from food stamps to SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

00:20:16.000 And the reason they did that is because they were afraid of the stigma attached to the idea of food stamps.

00:20:22.000 Then the Great Recession hit.

00:20:24.000 Snap enrollment started to really climb.

00:20:26.000 By 2008, 28.2 million people were on food stamps.

00:20:30.000 And then Barack Obama never let a good crisis go to waste, immediately, radically increased the size and scope of food stamps.

00:20:38.000 A family of four got about 80 bucks extra in SNAP every month as a recession boost.

00:20:42.000 And the federal government started pouring in money and money and money and money.

00:20:46.000 And enrollment skyrocketed.

00:20:48.000 It went from 28 million in 2008 to 48 million in 2013.

00:20:54.000 So nearly a doubling of the number of people on food assistance under Barack Obama.

00:21:01.000 And then under Donald Trump, it dropped a little bit.

00:21:02.000 And then COVID-19 and it exploded again to the point where now 41, 42 million people are on food stamps.

00:21:07.000 Okay, so that is a good object lesson in how small programs end up eating entire federal budgets.

00:21:13.000 And there's waste and there's fraud and there's abuse and there are ways to rein that in.

00:21:17.000 But of course, everyone will demagogue the issue and that will never happen.

00:21:20.000 Okay.

00:21:21.000 With that said, SNAP is the funding is set to end tomorrow.

00:21:27.000 When that happens, the pressure to end the government shutdown is really going to ratchet up.

00:21:31.000 And Democrats know this.

00:21:32.000 This is why, presumably, this is what Democrats have been holding out for.

00:21:35.000 Corey Booker, one of our more demagogic senators, he went on to the floor of the Senate yesterday and he said we shouldn't have to choose between feeding families, namely food stamps, and giving families health insurance.

00:21:46.000 Now, the thing is, Republicans are perfectly willing to sign off on SNAP.

00:21:50.000 The CR would fund SNAP.

00:21:52.000 It would not restore Obamacare benefits that Joe Biden put into place as a massive supposed temporary extension during COVID.

00:22:01.000 But Corey Booker wants both, and he's going to hold up the people on food stamps in order to get it.

00:22:06.000 November 1st, most Americans will now know that their health insurance will rise astronomically.

00:22:12.000 And as a result of that, millions will lose health insurance.

00:22:16.000 And what that means is, as I've talked to families in New Jersey, I talked to a dad of a special needs daughter who said him and his wife are going to have to give up their health insurance to keep their child covered.

00:22:28.000 These are real stories of real people.

00:22:30.000 And so don't tell me we as the United States of America have to choose between feeding families and giving families health insurance.

00:22:36.000 We can do both.

00:22:39.000 Okay, well, I mean, here's the thing.

00:22:42.000 We cannot afford to do everything that Democrats say we can afford to do.

00:22:45.000 This is how we end up with $38 trillion in debt and massive deficits.

00:22:48.000 That was the entire reason for things like the one big beautiful bill, by the way.

00:22:54.000 Corey Booker also said he doesn't understand this level of cruelty.

00:22:56.000 Madud, it is your party that has held up a clean CR every time it's been presented.

00:23:02.000 And so I don't understand this level of cruelty from the Republican Party right now, especially because when I talk to New Jerseyans and I've been meeting with people from hospital boards to people who run our food banks, many of them Republicans, actually, who can't understand why we as a country would cause this much intentional pain to about half of our country that are struggling right now to make it.

00:23:29.000 So, yeah, again, this sort of projection is pretty astonishing.

00:23:33.000 Speaker Johnson, for his party, says, I'm not the one who's been drawing this line.

00:23:36.000 Democrats have been drawing this line.

00:23:39.000 But why are you drawing the line now on 40 million Americans who literally will not be able to eat without government assistance?

00:23:47.000 Why not help them in the short term?

00:23:49.000 And why are they?

00:23:51.000 Wait a minute.

00:23:52.000 Wait, I reject the premise of the question.

00:23:54.000 I'm not drawing the line.

00:23:55.000 The Democrats are drawing the line.

00:23:57.000 If we had a contingency fund that we could use, that would be done.

00:24:00.000 The White House has demonstrated over and over, the executive branch.

00:24:03.000 All the cabinet secretaries are doing everything they can to mitigate and reduce the pain.

00:24:09.000 Again, we'll have to see how all this plays out.

00:24:11.000 My guess is that as the pain grows, you're going to see more Democrats drop off because if you're in a purple state, you don't want to go home and explain why you keep voting against a clean CR.

00:24:20.000 And as the country has sort of polarized politically, what that means is that the red state senators in this upcoming election are fairly safe.

00:24:26.000 There are a lot of purple state senators who are blue who are in a little bit of trouble, actually, in this upcoming election.

00:24:31.000 Coming up, Kamala Harris just won't go away.

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00:26:48.000 All righty, it's time for some fast facts.

00:26:53.000 We begin with the fact that Kamala Harris is not president.

00:26:55.000 Thank God.

00:26:56.000 Thank God.

00:26:56.000 But that doesn't mean that she is not making the rounds.

00:26:58.000 And she, the fact that she still has presidential ambitions speaks to the wonderful nature of America, where apparently literally anyone can fail upward and succeed.

00:27:09.000 She has spent the last several weeks lamenting her downfall, talking about how terrible it is for Kamala Harris.

00:27:15.000 Here she was just yesterday, lamenting the fact that her staff downplayed her accomplishments, which would be nearly impossible.

00:27:21.000 I'm not sure how you downplay zero.

00:27:23.000 She had no accomplishments.

00:27:24.000 I'm not sure how you downplay those accomplishments.

00:27:26.000 Apparently, she's pissed off her staff, downplayed her non-existent accomplishments. 1.00

00:27:33.000 What wasn't being said?

00:27:35.000 The accomplishments, the credibility of my leadership.

00:27:45.000 They thought that you say this on page 51.

00:27:48.000 If you were shining, then Joe Biden was dimmed.

00:27:52.000 So it was very much in their interests to make sure you were dimmed.

00:27:59.000 One could argue then so that Joe Biden was shining.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, and that was again, it was very short-sighted.

00:28:09.000 So according to Kamala Harris, it's because everybody was trying to boost Joe Biden, but not Kamala Harris.

00:28:15.000 Well, I'm old enough to remember because I'm more than one year old when the entire media decided that she was brat and she was cool and she was uber competent. 0.99

00:28:23.000 Ninth look at Kamala Harris. 0.96

00:28:25.000 Remember all this?

00:28:26.000 I mean, do we all have short-term memory loss around here?

00:28:28.000 Have we turned into Joe Biden with the Alzheimer's and everything?

00:28:31.000 Like, what are we talking about here?

00:28:33.000 Seriously.

00:28:34.000 Like, the gaslighting here is so strong.

00:28:36.000 And then she, at the same exact time, by the way, that she says that people were downplaying her in order to upplay Biden.

00:28:42.000 She'll go on Jon Stewart's show and call Joe Biden competent, which stuns even Jon Stewart.

00:28:50.000 Yo, I'm not talking about competence.

00:28:52.000 Right.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:52.000 No, I'm not talking about competence at all.

00:28:55.000 No, I believe he was fully competent to serve.

00:28:58.000 Do you really?

00:28:59.000 Yeah, I do.

00:29:02.000 That surprises me, actually.

00:29:03.000 No, I do.

00:29:08.000 That's a little bit awkward.

00:29:09.000 That's a little bit awkward.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, that Jon Stewart paused right there.

00:29:12.000 And then she was asked by Jon Stewart about the Democratic establishment.

00:29:16.000 She says, I don't know who that was.

00:29:17.000 I have no idea who.

00:29:19.000 You are the vice president of the United States.

00:29:21.000 It was you.

00:29:22.000 That would be you, lady.

00:29:26.000 Do you think that the Democratic establishment would agree with that?

00:29:30.000 I don't know who the establishment is at this point.

00:29:33.000 Right.

00:29:34.000 Oh, God.

00:29:35.000 That's a whole different problem, isn't it?

00:29:36.000 Yeah, isn't it?

00:29:38.000 The Democratic establishment, those are the people who decided to make room for the nut jobs. 0.99

00:29:41.000 And now, you know, Kamala Harris is left out in the cold because she's uninspiring and terrible. 1.00

00:29:46.000 She will go away.

00:29:47.000 She's not going to run for president again. 0.94

00:29:49.000 It would be foolhardy for her to do so.

00:29:52.000 Even when she tries to do the thing that apparently animates Democrats, she's bad at it. 1.00

00:29:55.000 Here she was ripping on Donald Trump's ballroom on Jon Stewart as though this is a great issue of import.

00:30:02.000 Are you kidding me?

00:30:04.000 This guy wants to create a ballroom for his rich friends while completely turning a blind eye to the fact that babies are going to starve when the snap benefits end in just hours from now?

00:30:17.000 Come on.

00:30:18.000 So what I'm not going to be distracted by, oh, does the guy have a big hammer?

00:30:24.000 What about those babies?

00:30:28.000 Oh, really?

00:30:30.000 She's so bad at this, truly. 1.00

00:30:31.000 Well, good riddance to bad rubbish. 0.98

00:30:33.000 I can't imagine many Democrats are going to be inspired by her latest book tour to want to bring her back around for another attempt.

00:30:40.000 Meanwhile, ICE is now vowing that they are going to increase the number of raids up to and including during Halloween.

00:30:48.000 According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Homeland Security Secretary Christy Noam on Thursday swiftly denied Governor J.B. Pritzker's request to halt immigration enforcement operations throughout Chicago for three days so children could safely celebrate Halloween.

00:31:01.000 Noam said no.

00:31:01.000 She said, we're not willing to put on pause any work.

00:31:03.000 We do to keep communities safe.

00:31:05.000 The fact that Governor Pritzker is asking for that is shameful.

00:31:07.000 I think unfortunately he doesn't recognize how important the work is that we do to make sure we're bringing criminals to justice and bringing them off the streets.

00:31:15.000 Now, Pritzker is arguing that she's arresting legal citizens and it's terrifying people and kids can't go out and collect candy in Chicago.

00:31:21.000 And she says, no, that is not what's happening.

00:31:24.000 He's just not telling the truth.

00:31:26.000 He's lying.

00:31:27.000 And, you know, it's hard to fight constant lies and attacks from this governor, but we will constantly stand up for the truth and for those people that live in those neighborhoods who want peace, they want safety, and they want these criminals out.

00:31:41.000 Every day we're on the streets of Chicago arresting people who have committed murders, rapists, those who are trafficking drugs and have been victimizing that city for years.

00:31:53.000 We finally have a president in the White House who wants to make this a safe environment for every single American citizen.

00:31:59.000 And no matter what Governor Pritzker says, we're going to do our job.

00:32:02.000 We're going to protect the people of Chicago.

00:32:05.000 Again, I'm bewildered as to why Democrats want to take this position. 1.00

00:32:08.000 You want to talk about radical, idiotic positions. 0.99

00:32:10.000 This is the equivalent of saying the police should stop enforcing crime for three days during Halloween because they might pick up potential criminals in areas that harm children or something. 1.00

00:32:19.000 Like, what are you talking about here?

00:32:20.000 People committing crimes should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, regardless of the day of the week or the year. 0.92

00:32:27.000 That's really silly.

00:32:28.000 Pritzker said he was respectfully requesting the pause from Friday to Sunday in and around home schools, hospitals, parks, houses of worship, and other community gatherings where Halloween celebrations are taking place. 0.65

00:32:38.000 And he said it was based on a desire to protect communities throughout Chicago.

00:32:42.000 Again, the idea being that ICE are the predators and that criminals are somehow the victims.

00:32:48.000 That's the idea.

00:32:49.000 Well, it's that kind of logic that Christy Noam says is putting ICE agents at risk, which is probably true.

00:32:53.000 Here she was talking about it.

00:32:56.000 By what Mayor Johnson's doing, by what Governor Pritzker is doing, it's endangering lives and they need to stop.

00:33:02.000 They need to stop because there's consequences to it.

00:33:04.000 Their words have consequences and we're seeing that.

00:33:07.000 An 8,000% increase in death threats against law enforcement, that's horrific.

00:33:13.000 That shouldn't be happening in America.

00:33:14.000 That shouldn't happen anywhere in the world.

00:33:16.000 And I blame them.

00:33:20.000 Again, I don't think she's wrong about all of this.

00:33:23.000 Okay, meanwhile, in other big news, the president has now called to resume nuclear testing.

00:33:27.000 And the reason he is doing that is because Russia's doing nuclear testing.

00:33:30.000 China's doing nuclear testing.

00:33:32.000 And the idea is, guys, if you are trying to demonstrate your readiness, if you're trying to demonstrate your upgraded nuclear capacity, we can do the same thing.

00:33:39.000 According to the New York Times, President Trump's unexpected declaration on Thursday that he was ordering the U.S. military to resume nuclear testing prompted visions of a return to the worst days of the Cold War when the U.S., Russia, and China were regularly detonating new weapons, first in the atmosphere in outer space and then underground.

00:33:54.000 It was an era of terrifying threats and counter threats, of dark visions of Armageddon and theories of deterrence by mutually assured destruction.

00:34:00.000 Well, I mean, that wasn't a theory.

00:34:02.000 That was a reality.

00:34:02.000 That's why there wasn't a giant nuclear war, actually.

00:34:05.000 That age supposedly ended with the arrival of the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty nations agreed to in the mid-1990s.

00:34:11.000 But not enough of the signatories ratified it for the treaty to come fully into force.

00:34:17.000 President Trump said, we halted it many years ago, but with others doing testing, I think it's appropriate we do it also.

00:34:23.000 Now, the only nation that's been regularly testing over the past quarter century is North Korea.

00:34:27.000 They last conducted an explosive test in September of 2017.

00:34:31.000 Russia made a declaration that they had tested two exotic delivery vehicles for nuclear weapons.

00:34:36.000 So it's quite possible that what President Trump means is not that we're going to test nuclear weapons, but that we're going to test other weapons, missiles and such, because that's what Russia is doing. 0.74

00:34:46.000 The last explosive test for China was 29 years ago.

00:34:50.000 Now, again, do I think that Trump is actually going to revive nuclear testing for no reason because Pyongyang did something in 2016?

00:34:56.000 I do not.

00:34:57.000 But I think that the president is saying to Russia and China, guys, back off, back off.

00:35:02.000 Like, if you do this, we're going to do the same thing.

00:35:03.000 We're not going to sit by and watch you revivify your nuclear programs while we don't update, while we don't prepare.

00:35:09.000 Mutually assured destruction, which was a successful theory, rested on the assumption that you could, in fact, and would, in fact, destroy the opposite side if they fired on you.

00:35:18.000 And if that threat goes away, so does the mutually assured destruction.

00:35:22.000 And if that happens, the nuclear likelihood actually becomes higher, not lower.

00:35:28.000 So frankly, I'm fine with the president articulating this.

00:35:30.000 Do I think the United States should unilaterally lead off a new round of nuclear testing before Russia and China doing it?

00:35:37.000 I don't.

00:35:38.000 But if Russia and China make moves to do this sort of stuff, of course we should signal.

00:35:42.000 I don't see a choice but to counter signal, actually.

00:35:45.000 And the sort of bizarre outrage that has erupted over this is though President Trump is ushering us into a new world of nuclear warfare.

00:35:53.000 No, Russia and China are very, very aggressive right now and both have threatened nuclear conflagration over the course of the last several years, Russia most particularly.

00:36:01.000 Okay, meanwhile, I do want to point out one critic of the president of the United States.

00:36:06.000 It's going to be Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:36:08.000 If you ever wonder how the media works, this is how the media works.

00:36:10.000 It's pretty astonishing.

00:36:12.000 The media are perfectly happy to promote and prop up people who oppose President Trump, even if they hate them on all other fronts.

00:36:20.000 The strange new respect, strange, strange new respect happening here for Marjorie Taylor Greene, a double-digit IQ conspiracy theorist who got herself elected to a Georgia congressional seat and now seems to think she's an ideological thought leader of the Republican Party because she hangs around with famous podcast hosts. 0.89

00:36:38.000 Well, apparently now she gets to go on the view.

00:36:40.000 Isn't that exciting?

00:36:41.000 Isn't that wonderful?

00:36:42.000 Here's Whoopi Goldberg announcing excitedly that Marjorie Taylor Greene has earned the ticket to the big show.

00:36:49.000 That's why when you said Marjorie Taylor Greene, I'm happy to say that she's going to be here on Tuesday.

00:36:55.000 Oh yeah.

00:36:56.000 Yeah.

00:36:57.000 It's election day because what happens to the election.

00:37:01.000 And you know, she, I don't know how many things we agree on, but I know the one thing that she and I and all of us at this table agree on is this should not be affecting the American people.

00:37:17.000 Wow.

00:37:17.000 That's how I know that she's a good person is because she agrees with Whoopi Goldberg.

00:37:20.000 But don't worry.

00:37:21.000 Don't worry.

00:37:21.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene isn't dividing the right.

00:37:24.000 It's just anybody who notes that Marjorie Greene is, Marjorie Taylor Green is dividing.

00:37:27.000 If you note that, if you notice that, you're dividing the right, apparently. 0.99

00:37:30.000 Okay, meanwhile, our country is getting stupider. 0.99

00:37:33.000 Idiocracy was a documentary. 0.99

00:37:35.000 Kim Kardashian has become yet another famous person to suggest that the moon landing was faked, which, I mean, good Lord. 1.00

00:37:48.000 This is so stupid. 0.98

00:37:49.000 I understand that we are now a country rife with conspiratorial nonsense, distrusting of all authorities, including the authority of actual honesty, God history. 1.00

00:38:01.000 But perhaps we should not listen to people who say dumb crap all the time. 0.99

00:38:06.000 I don't know, just an idea. 0.99

00:38:09.000 I'm sending you, like, so far, a million interviews with both Buzz Aldrin and the other one.

00:38:15.000 Do it.

00:38:16.000 Ms. Girl says, what was the scariest moment?

00:38:19.000 And he goes, there was no scary moment because it didn't happen.

00:38:22.000 It could have been scary, but it wasn't because it didn't happen.

00:38:25.000 So he's gotten old and now he like slurs on his thing.

00:38:30.000 Yeah.

00:38:30.000 Dude.

00:38:31.000 So I think it didn't happen.

00:38:34.000 I'm going to go on a massive deep dive.

00:38:36.000 Okay.

00:38:37.000 I'm going to go on a serious deep dive.

00:38:38.000 I center conspiracies all the time. 0.98

00:38:42.000 Because you're not a smart person. 0.96

00:38:44.000 Because you're not a smart person. 0.96

00:38:46.000 I mean, like, that's the whole thing.

00:38:49.000 And yet somehow there are people who believe that people who make them more unintelligent and less capable of understanding the world ought to be admitted to positions of high cultural authority.

00:38:59.000 Actually, NASA acting administrator Sean Duffy fought back against this nonsense.

00:39:03.000 He said, yes, Kim Kardashian, we've been to the moon before six times.

00:39:06.000 And even better, Artemis is going back under the leadership of the president.

00:39:09.000 We won the last space race.

00:39:10.000 We'll win this one too.

00:39:11.000 Yes, we've been to the moon. 0.99

00:39:12.000 Just stop with this crap. 0.99

00:39:13.000 Alrighty, coming up, Cabot Phillips from Morning Wire stops by. 0.98

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00:41:39.000 Okay, now speaking of anti-scientific positions, I noted weeks ago that when the Department of Health and Human Services decided to make a gigantic announcement with President Trump that Tylenol was driving autism in the unborn, that there was not enough evidence to support this position.

00:41:56.000 And people got upset because if you point out that actual science did not support the position being taken, then this was some kind of betrayal of the cause or something, that Maha couldn't survive unless you admitted that Tylenol causes autism, which again, the evidence is extremely scanty on that front.

00:42:14.000 Well, now, RFK has had to admit that the evidence is not sufficient to say that Tylenol causes autism, which I mean, duh.

00:42:23.000 The causative association with Tylenol, between Tylenol given in pregnancy and the perital periods, is not sufficient to say it definitely causes autism, but it is very suggestive.

00:42:39.000 And it's suggestive in animal studies and core blood studies and observational studies from nation to nation.

00:42:47.000 And so there should be a cautious approach to it.

00:42:50.000 And that's why our message to patients, to mothers, to people who are pregnant, and to the mothers of young children is consult your physician.

00:43:02.000 Okay, but that wasn't the way that it was laid out.

00:43:05.000 And in fact, there are now gigantic lawsuits happening against Tylenol claiming that Tylenol causes autism.

00:43:10.000 So yeah, I don't know, just an idea.

00:43:12.000 Maybe you should go only as far as the science actually is capable of supporting without jumping to the conclusion that you have solved the autism crisis by going after Tylenol or something.

00:43:22.000 Joining us online is Cabot Phillips of our Morning Wire podcast, who recently made his New York Times debut, which we'll get to in a moment since it is, of course, Halloween.

00:43:31.000 But first, Cabot, I want to talk to you about your speech at the University of Iowa.

00:43:35.000 Things got pretty heated over there.

00:43:38.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:43:39.000 I've been going to a lot of college campuses, been to about a dozen college campuses this semester since Charlie Kirk's murder.

00:43:45.000 This was a YAF event at the University of Iowa.

00:43:47.000 And there were a lot of very angry leftist students that did not want me there.

00:43:52.000 That happens at every campus.

00:43:53.000 You know better than anyone how that happens when a conservative dares to show their face on a college campus.

00:43:58.000 But there was one particular incident that happened at the University of Iowa that went very viral online.

00:44:02.000 The students were out tabling, trying to advertise for the event, and a student came up, I believe you guys have the video, and was flipping the table, flipping people off, threatening them, and saying some obscene things to them as well.

00:44:18.000 And I do have breaking news for the people that are watching that video.

00:44:21.000 This was actually, I know this is going to shock people.

00:44:24.000 This was, from what I've been told, a transgender student that was engaging in this activity.

00:44:29.000 And I know it's hard to believe that a transgender college student could be capable of acting so irrationally, so illogically, so violently, but that is the situation. 1.00

00:44:39.000 And during that event at the University of Iowa, during the week leading up to it, there were all sorts of students cheering this activity on, which makes sense when you know that this is how people feel about conservative ideas coming to campus.

00:44:53.000 But most importantly, was the response of people accusing me of doxing the liberal, allegedly transgender student that was flipping the table and threatening the YAF kids.

00:45:05.000 I was doxing them for doing that, is what they accused, which is very ironic because the student was smiling to the camera, giving them the middle finger.

00:45:12.000 The student was clearly very proud.

00:45:13.000 They walked away and gave this dorky high five to one of the other leftist creeps that was standing behind, cheering it on.

00:45:19.000 So I don't know if doxing is the right accusation there.

00:45:22.000 And then there were the number of kids saying they were going to come to the event, or the number of kids cheering on this student.

00:45:27.000 And Ben, there were a good number of conservative students there.

00:45:30.000 There were a good number of nice, politically agnostic kids in the middle. 0.51

00:45:34.000 Not a single one of these crazy leftist students showed up.

00:45:38.000 Not one of them came to debate. 0.98

00:45:41.000 I would like to think that they were terrified of getting owned with facts and logic by Cabot Phillips.

00:45:46.000 Maybe they were terrified that you would make a cameo appearance and that you would step in and smack them around logically speaking.

00:45:53.000 But none of them came, which, again, is not surprising.

00:45:56.000 We see this kind of thing all around the country, but also we're seeing it more and more from administrations now too, trying to keep these conservative ideas from campus.

00:46:04.000 I'll give you another example of this.

00:46:06.000 The week before I was at Iowa, I was at the University of Maryland speaking to a Turning Point USA chapter there.

00:46:11.000 The students put in the request, the university approved it.

00:46:14.000 And then, right before the event, the university said, Hey, this is kind of dangerous speech.

00:46:19.000 This is a controversial speaker from the Daily Wire that's coming.

00:46:22.000 We're going to need to slap a private security fee on.

00:46:25.000 So they told the Turning Point group, you guys have to pay for a private security company to come in and search people's bags and have metal detectors.

00:46:33.000 You have to pay because of threats from the left.

00:46:36.000 They put it on the students.

00:46:37.000 Now, the Turning Point group was great.

00:46:38.000 They said, We're not going to pay this.

00:46:39.000 This is unconstitutional.

00:46:41.000 FIRE stepped in and sent legal letters to the school saying that this was a violation of the First Amendment because they were forcing the students to deal and have the onus because of threats from the left.

00:46:51.000 And thankfully, ultimately, the Leadership Institute, a great conservative nonprofit, they stepped in and paid the security fees on behalf of Turning Point.

00:46:58.000 But it didn't end there.

00:46:59.000 Once the event started, I get to the campus.

00:47:01.000 I actually thought that I was walking into the green room for the event because it was so tiny.

00:47:05.000 It felt like the old closet I had in my Manhattan apartment.

00:47:09.000 And I said, This is kind of a tiny room.

00:47:10.000 This is weird.

00:47:11.000 I guess there's something going on.

00:47:12.000 The room quickly fills up with 40 conservative students.

00:47:16.000 And then once they hit 40, the campus police made their appearance.

00:47:20.000 They come in and they say, Hey, the room is full for security reasons.

00:47:23.000 We didn't give you guys the lecture hall.

00:47:25.000 We had to have a small contained space for security.

00:47:28.000 So the room is full at 40.

00:47:30.000 Everyone else who was in the audience trying to get in, out in line, what appeared to be the vast majority of the audience, the university said, Yeah, sorry, you guys can't come in.

00:47:37.000 It's about safety.

00:47:38.000 So they intentionally stuck us in the smallest classroom on campus for safety, but I think it was clear they wanted to protect the number of students that were actually going to hear those ideas.

00:47:50.000 I mean, these two events seem to be intertwined.

00:47:51.000 The Heckler's Veto is obviously incredibly strong.

00:47:54.000 I wonder, Cabot, if you know whether this particular student who we have footage of, I mean, let's show the footage so people understand what you're talking about.

00:48:00.000 Here's some of the footage of students flipping tables, one particular student flipping tables going crazy over the University of Iowa.

00:48:06.000 That's crazy.

00:48:08.000 Oh, yeah.

00:48:10.000 Those are discussing that you talk about or half the cat.

00:48:16.000 Yeah, enjoying life.

00:48:17.000 So here's my question: were there any repercussions from the University of Iowa administration for this sort of behavior, or would they just kind of look the other way?

00:48:26.000 To the best of my knowledge, there were no consequences.

00:48:29.000 The students told me that as at the time of the event, that nothing had been done, that this was very par for the course, that this sort of thing was a common occurrence there.

00:48:37.000 And I've asked them to follow up if anything happens.

00:48:40.000 Again, I have not heard that the university did anything, which you'd think that they would want to crack down on this sort of thing, given the environment, given how many Americans were horrified by what happened to Charlie and are now keeping a closer eye on what is coming from the left on college campuses.

00:48:54.000 There were dozens, if not hundreds, of comments on a tweet that I posted from this video.

00:48:59.000 So many of them were from parents saying, I have a student at Iowa, I got into the University of Iowa circle, I guess, online.

00:49:05.000 So many people saying, Hey, I have a student here, or I have high school kids.

00:49:09.000 I want them to go to the University of Iowa.

00:49:11.000 Now I'm not sure.

00:49:12.000 University of Iowa, what is your response?

00:49:14.000 What are you going to do?

00:49:14.000 So you'd think the school would want to step in and do something, but from what I've heard, they still have not.

00:49:20.000 So, meanwhile, Cabot, amidst all of this, you had your debut in the New York Times on all topics, terrible Halloween displays.

00:49:29.000 So, this is over at the New York Times.

00:49:30.000 There's a piece called Have Halloween Decorations Become Too Scary.

00:49:33.000 And you were quoted because you were talking about how you walk out of the way a couple of blocks with your 18-month-old son because people are putting up these scary displays.

00:49:42.000 This actually is, I think, for a lot of families a real issue.

00:49:45.000 The people who are, I think, a little too into the pagan aspect of Halloween have decided that it'll be lots of fun to put pretty horrifying and terrifying images in public view where small children can see them.

00:49:56.000 What do you make of the phenomenon?

00:50:00.000 Well, they initially reached out because of some tweets that I had done saying that I think that people who put up overly gory and violent demonic displays should actively be shamed by people in their community.

00:50:12.000 I might sound like a boomer here, but I remember growing up in the 90s, Halloween, crazy concept, was a holiday for little kids.

00:50:18.000 You go trick-or-treating, you might see some spooky stuff, little ghosts and trees, and maybe a little fake graveyard and skeletons, spider webs.

00:50:26.000 But that is not what we're seeing more and more today with the advancements in technology, with the advancements of creepy perverts in society.

00:50:33.000 We have seen more and more overtly demonic, gory, over-the-top violent displays.

00:50:38.000 In my neighborhood alone, there's a four-foot inflatable zombie toddler baby with fangs and blood dripping from its face and bulging red eyes.

00:50:47.000 There are a number of decaying corpses hanging from nooses, swaying in trees.

00:50:52.000 And so, yeah, when I'm walking with my son, he has no idea what he's looking at.

00:50:56.000 He knows that he's terrified.

00:50:57.000 I can't explain to him what it is.

00:50:58.000 Hey, this is all fake.

00:50:59.000 He's a little kid.

00:51:00.000 He doesn't know that.

00:51:01.000 And that's why this stuff is so dangerous to protecting the innocence of kids.

00:51:06.000 And the response that I've gotten to this has been very telling.

00:51:10.000 The number of people commenting on that New York Times piece, the number of people on my social media saying, You're a Karen.

00:51:16.000 You're the Scrooge of Halloween.

00:51:18.000 Just tell your kid to look the other way.

00:51:20.000 Karen used to be a phrase that just meant a middle-aged woman freaking out over a minor nuisance in her life. 1.00

00:51:25.000 Now it's this catch-all phrase.

00:51:27.000 Anyone in society who wants to protect certain basic cultural norms, they are a Karen. 1.00

00:51:33.000 Anyone in society who wants to protect the innocence of little kids, they are a Karen.

00:51:37.000 So in this case, I'm happy to be labeled a Karen if it means ignoring the requests of weirdos who want to traumatize little kids with violent displays in their front yards.

00:51:46.000 I am happy to be a Karen standing with my fellow Karens in the bastion of normalcy when it comes to defending Halloween.

00:51:52.000 And to the people that want to partake in the weird, gory, creepy demonic stuff.

00:51:57.000 All we're asking as parents, all we're asking as normal Americans is that you do it behind closed doors.

00:52:02.000 Go buy a movie ticket and see a horror movie.

00:52:05.000 Go buy a ticket to a haunted house and partake in all that stuff you want.

00:52:08.000 Don't put it in your yard.

00:52:09.000 There's a reason that if a guy wanted to celebrate Halloween by putting up a giant display of a topless witch in his yard, you'd say, no, you can't do that.

00:52:18.000 That crosses the line.

00:52:19.000 That's indecent. 0.98

00:52:20.000 We're not going to allow you to put this nudity in your front yard for little kids to see. 1.00

00:52:24.000 It should be the same thing with this violent stuff.

00:52:26.000 And I'll end on this here.

00:52:28.000 I think a big reason we're seeing this type of stuff happen is number one, that people revel in exposing little kids to things they shouldn't see.

00:52:37.000 They take sadistic pleasure in it.

00:52:40.000 It's why we see kids being dragged to these drag time story hours at libraries.

00:52:44.000 It's why we see kids getting dragged to these crazy pride parades.

00:52:48.000 There are a certain sect of society that takes pleasure in exposing kids to things and stripping their innocence from them.

00:52:54.000 And second, there is this growing number of adults who want to prolong their adolescence as long as possible and take things meant for kids and make them for adults.

00:53:02.000 That's why you see so many like Disney adults who would think, no, Disney World is not actually for kids.

00:53:06.000 It's for adults and you need to accommodate me here.

00:53:08.000 They're now doing that with Halloween saying Halloween, it's not for little kids.

00:53:11.000 It's just as much for adults when we all know trick-or-treating and Halloween, it is for little kids.

00:53:16.000 Adults can take part at its core.

00:53:17.000 It's for little kids.

00:53:18.000 And I'm just trying to defend it.

00:53:19.000 Ben, I got to get your take.

00:53:21.000 Am I being a Karen here?

00:53:22.000 Am I over the top for being offended?

00:53:23.000 No, I totally agree with this.

00:53:26.000 I have four kids, all of whom are under the age of 12.

00:53:28.000 And when we walk around the neighborhood and we live where there's an HOA that's pretty strict about what you can display outside your house, but we've been in neighborhoods where that is not the case.

00:53:35.000 And yeah, I mean, there are people who are putting out egregious stuff.

00:53:38.000 And frankly, I do think that I have a right to walk down the street with my children without having to be confronted with gory, hideous images where I have to shield my children's eyes.

00:53:49.000 And I don't think that that's a crazy statement.

00:53:51.000 The stuff that happens in the public sphere actually affects everybody.

00:53:54.000 And pretending that public and private, that that distinction needs to go away because of the feelings of adults who wish to act like rowdy teenagers is really silly to me.

00:54:02.000 So, Cabot, I congratulate you on being yet another Gen Z 80-year-old.

00:54:06.000 That's exciting stuff.

00:54:07.000 Cabot, I appreciate the time.

00:54:09.000 Thank you, Ben.

00:54:10.000 Joining us online is my friend Andrew Clavin, the host of the Andrew Clavin Show and author of After That, The Dark, which is his brand new book.

00:54:17.000 It's around here somewhere.

00:54:18.000 Guys, I don't know where you put it.

00:54:19.000 Do you have one, Clavin?

00:54:20.000 Hold it up.

00:54:21.000 Hold up your book.

00:54:22.000 It's behind you.

00:54:23.000 Okay, fine.

00:54:24.000 There we go.

00:54:24.000 Perfect.

00:54:25.000 Thank you.

00:54:25.000 Okay.

00:54:26.000 And we just have to do this stuff on the fly.

00:54:28.000 It is his latest book.

00:54:29.000 It is his Cameron Winter Mysteries.

00:54:31.000 This is the fifth book in that series.

00:54:33.000 And like all of them, it is a fantastic read.

00:54:35.000 So, Drew, what was the sort of angle that drove you to write this particular book?

00:54:40.000 Well, this guy has been looking for love through the whole series.

00:54:43.000 You know, he's a former assassin.

00:54:45.000 Kind of the things he's done weigh really heavy on him and he doesn't feel he's worthy of love.

00:54:50.000 So here's this guy who has incredible courage when it comes to danger, who's been trying to work up the courage to call this woman that he understands from at first sight is going to be somebody he is really connected to.

00:55:03.000 And he finally takes her out on a date and she knows that he likes to go around solving murder mysteries.

00:55:08.000 So she tells him a true story about a locked room mystery and he goes out to solve it just to impress her.

00:55:14.000 And he finds that he opens up, he stumbles into this incredible nationwide conspiracy that puts him in danger, puts this girl he's falling in love with in danger.

00:55:25.000 And he realizes everything he's done to try and stop being an assassin has failed because now he has to go and kill people to keep her safe and to stop these people.

00:55:33.000 So it's kind of a, it's a locked room mystery.

00:55:35.000 It's a thriller and it's a love story.

00:55:37.000 And I think it's just as good as anything I've written.

00:55:40.000 I'm just so proud of it and pleased with it.

00:55:44.000 I want everybody to take a look because I really do think they're going to love it.

00:55:48.000 And Drew, one of the things that's sort of fascinating about your books, and I've read a bunch of your books, actually, which I don't like to admit publicly because, you know, you might go swell ahead and we wouldn't want that to happen.

00:55:56.000 But I've read a lot of your books.

00:55:58.000 One of the things that you do when you write your books is you write not just great plots and great characters, but thematically.

00:56:04.000 There's always a lot of sort of symbolic thematics and important issues and even spiritual issues that you sort of bring up in your books.

00:56:11.000 What were the ones that drove this one?

00:56:13.000 Well, I think the whole Cameron Winter ethos is how does a man who's been an anti-hero turn himself into a hero?

00:56:20.000 I mean, one of the things I've seen in the culture for the last 20 years is that the role of men has become completely murky on TV and the great moments of TV, which were around the 2000s, early 2000s.

00:56:33.000 All you saw were anti-heroes.

00:56:34.000 You saw the Sopranos and you saw Breaking Bad.

00:56:36.000 You saw The Shield, The Wire.

00:56:38.000 Every guy was a good guy, but also a bad guy at the same time, or he was manly, but he was a bad man.

00:56:44.000 And so Cameron Winter has been that bad man.

00:56:46.000 And suddenly he thinks, you know, wait a minute, maybe there's some other way to be a man.

00:56:51.000 So it's this transitional thing.

00:56:52.000 It's a real struggle because men have to do dangerous things.

00:56:55.000 They have to do wicked things.

00:56:57.000 They have to be able to do nasty, dangerous things in order to be good people, but they also have to not be able to do those things.

00:57:05.000 And that's the kind of thing he's wrestling with.

00:57:07.000 When is it right to pull the trigger?

00:57:09.000 When isn't it?

00:57:09.000 And to me, you know, I consider myself, I probably shouldn't say it, but I consider myself one of the best action writers in the country.

00:57:18.000 However, action doesn't mean anything to me unless it's about the characters involved.

00:57:22.000 So everything that happens in these books is really a way of exploring character and exploring character in the culture of the moment, which is obviously in a low point and trying to climb up out of it.

00:57:32.000 And I believe it will, but I think it has to be led by men who figure out what it is to be a good man.

00:57:39.000 You know, and Drew, one of the things that I think conservatives tend to overlook very often, because conservatives are business focused or they're religion focused or they're fact focused.

00:57:47.000 When they sit down and they sort of watch what they want to watch on TV, they tend to watch whatever is sort of available.

00:57:52.000 It's like they turn off that part of their brain.

00:57:55.000 And then when you, as a conservative, say, you know, you ought to read this type of fiction because this sort of fiction is actually good and promotes your values, then you kind of see the eyes glaze over very often with conservatives.

00:58:04.000 Like, oh, you know, that's not how I view entertainment.

00:58:07.000 Or why shouldn't I spend my money on the latest nonfiction book?

00:58:11.000 So, you know, for conservatives, I think it's valuable to understand why fiction is actually a really important medium, maybe a more important medium than nonfiction for most people.

00:58:19.000 Yeah, it's the most intimate cultural artifact there is.

00:58:22.000 It goes, it's a complete direct connection between creator and the reader.

00:58:27.000 And the other thing is, you know, there are two things going on at once.

00:58:30.000 One is the publishing business, except for my publisher, has been taken over by women and they don't produce things that men want to read. 1.00

00:58:36.000 So they say, well, men don't want to read novels, but every time I write a novel, men want to read it.

00:58:40.000 And when I was asked by Thomas Nelson to write books for boys, they said, we can't get boys to read.

00:58:46.000 And they said, of course, look around the room.

00:58:48.000 You're all women. 1.00

00:58:48.000 You don't know what boys want to read. 1.00

00:58:50.000 And when I wrote action novels for boys, they really sold well.

00:58:53.000 You know, they sold very quickly and a lot of copies.

00:58:56.000 And so I think that that's one thing that men have been sort of struck out of the arts.

00:59:01.000 But the other thing is conservatives do have this prejudice where they think, why am I reading this?

00:59:05.000 It's not true.

00:59:06.000 There are like two people that I talk to in the conservative movement who really appreciate fiction.

00:59:11.000 You're one and Glenn Beck is the other one.

00:59:13.000 And they're the two people who get it, that this is an important thing.

00:59:17.000 And the reason it's important is because it adds perspectives to your mind.

00:59:21.000 You don't have to agree with those perspectives.

00:59:23.000 You just have to be able to experience them.

00:59:24.000 So, you understand what other people are doing.

00:59:26.000 You read enough and you start to look at the culture and get what's going on beneath the surface.

00:59:31.000 Because so often, conservatives look for practical causes, financial causes, economic causes, political causes.

00:59:38.000 All those things are real, but you're also dealing with human nature.

00:59:41.000 And you do not know what finances, economics, and politics will do if you don't understand human nature.

00:59:46.000 You can only get that understanding from the arts, from an engagement with the arts.

00:59:50.000 And I think the conservative movement would really benefit in not only each individual, but the movement itself would benefit from a real engagement with creativity in the arts.

01:00:02.000 Well, the book is After That in the Dark by our friend Andrew Clavin.

01:00:05.000 Check out his show, The Andrew Clavin Show, as well over at Daily Wire Plus.

01:00:08.000 And I believe that there are signed copies of your book, After That the Dark in the Daily Wire shop.

01:00:12.000 So people can go check it out over there as well.

01:00:14.000 If you are desperately in need of a cultural artifact that soon will be worth more on eBay, because I mean, as we all know, after people plot, the prices go up.

01:00:22.000 So the supply stops.

01:00:25.000 So that's it.

01:00:26.000 That's it.

01:00:26.000 I'd be mispending.

01:00:31.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:00:32.000 I can't go through an interview with Drew without making a joke about his impending death.

01:00:35.000 Drew, I appreciate the time.

01:00:36.000 Good to see you, dude.

01:00:38.000 Always great to see you.

01:00:39.000 Bye.

01:00:39.000 All righty, coming up.

01:00:41.000 We'll jump into the latest on the economy because, again, some mixed signals.

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