The Ben Shapiro Show - The Economist's Big Alt-Right Lie | Ep. 747

00:00:00.000 President Trump goes on offense after the Mueller report's findings come out, Cory Booker has his moments in the CNN spotlight, and Joe Biden humiliates himself.

00:00:08.000 Again, I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:09.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:15.000 Prepare thyselves for a blast of anger coming at you very, very shortly, because I have something to say to the British newspaper, British magazine, The Economist.

00:00:24.000 I'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:01:39.000 Okay, so I will get to the big national news of the day.

00:01:42.000 But first, I need to discuss something.

00:01:44.000 The media.

00:01:45.000 The media are... so many of them are just bad at their jobs.

00:01:48.000 I mean, legitimately bad at their jobs.

00:01:50.000 So, this week, congratulations to you, the readers.

00:01:53.000 Congratulations to us.

00:01:54.000 We are number one on the New York Times bestseller list for this, The Right Side of History.

00:01:58.000 We actually knocked Michelle Obama's book down to number two for the first time in months because so many of you went out and bought a copy of The Right Side of History.

00:02:06.000 This book is all about how Western civilization was created, the fundamental ideological and philosophical grounding of Western civilization.

00:02:15.000 It is all about the eternal truths and immutable principles that our civilization is based upon.

00:02:20.000 And the book is...

00:02:22.000 Extraordinarily anti-racist.

00:02:23.000 Because if you listen to the show, you know the show is extraordinarily anti-racist.

00:02:27.000 Because if you've read my writing, you know that my writing is extraordinarily anti-racist.

00:02:31.000 You know also, if you've followed me for more than 30 seconds, that I am the Bette Noire of the so-called alt-right.

00:02:36.000 The alt-right movement is a white supremacist, white nationalist, white separatist movement in the United States that essentially attributes Western civilization to color.

00:02:44.000 They basically make the argument that Western civilization is great because it's white people. 0.93

00:02:49.000 It's not because of the immutable principles.

00:02:51.000 It's not because it actually has the capacity, Western civilization, to integrate people of various faiths and various ethnicities and various backgrounds.

00:02:59.000 No, it's not because of that.

00:03:00.000 It's because of color.

00:03:01.000 And that is the argument of the alt-right. 0.99

00:03:02.000 It is disgusting. 0.85

00:03:03.000 It is unbased in fact. 0.58

00:03:05.000 It is unbased in decency.

00:03:06.000 And it is unbased in philosophy.

00:03:08.000 And I have been ripping the alt-right for legitimately years at this point.

00:03:12.000 My record on this is not unclear.

00:03:14.000 Not only is it not unclear, I was the number one target of the disgusting alt-right in 2016, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

00:03:20.000 I received a grand total of 40% of all hatred directed at Jews online in 2016 by the alt-right was directed at me personally.

00:03:28.000 Because of the alt-right, I still have security.

00:03:31.000 Walk me to shul on Sabbath.

00:03:34.000 So, when people declare that I am somehow associated with the alt-right, you can tell that they are completely full of bleep.

00:03:40.000 Well, that's what The Economist did today.

00:03:42.000 So, The Economist, of course, is a major national weekly in Britain, and they did a podcast interview with me.

00:03:48.000 And the podcast interview is actually great.

00:03:50.000 If you go and listen to the podcast interview, it's actually well worth listening to.

00:03:54.000 There's a lot there.

00:03:55.000 The audio was released last week, and I tweeted it out because I thought that the interview was so good.

00:03:59.000 Well, today, in the aftermath of my book hitting number one on the New York Times bestseller list, The Economist decided it was time Well, they got all of this wrong.

00:04:06.000 All of this wrong, because in fact, not only am I not alt-right, now I'm rageful.

00:04:10.000 "Inside the mind of Ben Shapiro, "the alt-right sage without the rage." Well, they got all of this wrong, all of this wrong, because in fact, not only am I not alt-right, now I'm rageful, now I'm pissed off, because it's just a lie.

00:04:24.000 And here's the thing.

00:04:25.000 The interview is about the book.

00:04:27.000 If they had read the book, they would have realized that there are multiple references to the evil of the racist alt-right.

00:04:32.000 Multiple references to it.

00:04:34.000 I'm not hiding the ball here.

00:04:35.000 I hate the alt-right. 1.00

00:04:36.000 I think that what they stand for is disgusting and despicable. 0.98

00:04:39.000 The notion of ethnic solidarity, that ethnicity alone should be the basis of tribal affiliation, I find to be repulsive. 0.98

00:04:49.000 And when people say, well, yeah, but you're a Jew.

00:04:50.000 No, I care about religious Judaism.

00:04:52.000 I don't care about ethnic Judaism. 0.98

00:04:53.000 It makes no difference to me. 0.82

00:04:54.000 This alt-right nonsense is a blot on Western civilization.

00:04:59.000 And I say that in the book they interviewed me about.

00:05:01.000 I say that in The Right Side of History.

00:05:03.000 This is a quote from the introduction.

00:05:06.000 It's talking about Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ta-Nehisi Coates essentially suggesting that America is a deeply racist place, that we are divided on the basis of race.

00:05:14.000 Here's what I write.

00:05:15.000 The photo negative of Coates' perspective comes courtesy of the racist alt-right movement, which accepts Coates' characterization of American politics, but sees things in reverse, an America overrun by identity politics of racial minorities.

00:05:27.000 The alt-right loves Coates' characterization of white America as all-powerful.

00:05:32.000 As Richard Spencer told New York Times Magazine, contributing writer Thomas Chatterton Williams, this is why I'm actually very confident, because maybe those lefties will be the easiest ones to flip.

00:05:41.000 More than that, the alt-right also sees the world in terms of a race war, one they hope one day to finally win.

00:05:46.000 That is in the introduction.

00:05:47.000 A couple of pages later in the introduction, quote, During the election cycle, I was highly critical of both candidates.

00:05:53.000 As a conservative, I'd been a lifelong critic of Hillary Clinton, but I was also highly critical of Donald Trump.

00:05:58.000 Thanks to my criticisms of Trump, and thanks to my very public break with Breitbart News, an outlet I believed had become a propaganda tool for the Trump campaign, I quickly found myself targeted by a new breed of radical.

00:06:08.000 In late March, the exquirable Milo Yiannopoulos penned a story at Breitbart openly praising the alt-right, including odes to racist cretins like Richard Spencer.

00:06:16.000 Egging on his alt-right followers, cheering on their jolly trollery, Milo sent me a picture of a black baby on the day of my son's birth that May. 0.98

00:06:23.000 The point being, that I was a cuck. 0.95

00:06:25.000 Over the course of the 2016 campaign, I would become the top recipient of anti-Semitism among Jewish journalists on the internet. 0.94

00:06:30.000 By a huge margin.

00:06:32.000 According to the ADL, approximately 19,253 anti-Semitic tweets were directed at journalists during the August 2015 through July 2016 period.

00:06:41.000 I personally received 7,400 of those tweets, or 38% of the total.

00:06:47.000 Hey, this is just in the introduction.

00:06:50.000 In the introduction.

00:06:51.000 You don't have to read all that far.

00:06:52.000 And then if you skip forward in the book, you'll see that I talk at length about the alt-right again.

00:06:58.000 I talk at length about how the alt-right's belief system is disgusting.

00:07:03.000 In a section titled, I kid you not, The End of Progress, I write this.

00:07:09.000 I write this.

00:07:09.000 Racial solidarity among members of the intersectional coalition has also driven reverse racial solidarity from the so-called alt-right, a group of racists who have sought to promote white pride.

00:07:19.000 Leaders in this movement include the execrable Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and Vox Day, all of whom use IQ data to explain racial disparities while claiming that the roots of Western civilization lie not in ideas, but in race.

00:07:30.000 The alt-right remains a fringe movement, but their arguments have penetrated into more visible circles thanks to a reactionary tendency by some on the right to embrace anyone who supposedly opposes political correctness.

00:07:40.000 I'm not hiding the ball here, guys.

00:07:43.000 I hate the alt-right. 1.00

00:07:43.000 They're disgusting. 1.00

00:07:44.000 But here is what the fools in the mainstream media have done. 1.00

00:07:48.000 It's jackassery of the highest order. 0.99

00:07:52.000 They've lumped in people like Dave Rubin, a gay Jewish man, and Jordan Peterson, an active opponent of the alt-right, with the alt-right. 0.96

00:08:00.000 They've lumped in me with the alt-right.

00:08:02.000 They've taken mainstream conservatives and non-conservatives, anyone with heterodox views, and they've said, these people are the real problem.

00:08:08.000 These people are the alt-right.

00:08:10.000 Because they don't know what alt-right means.

00:08:11.000 To them, alt-right just means right.

00:08:13.000 Well, I'll give you a hint.

00:08:16.000 Alt-right has the prefix alt in it, and it stands for alternative.

00:08:21.000 It was originally coined by actual white supremacists because it was supposed to be an alternative right that rejected the tenets of conservatism.

00:08:30.000 This is why it didn't even make sense when people were quoting the manifesto of the disgusting Christchurch shooter.

00:08:36.000 To suggest that conservatives were somehow responsible.

00:08:38.000 The manifesto itself says conservatism has conserved nothing.

00:08:41.000 Conservatism has bought into basic ideas of individual liberty and individual rights.

00:08:46.000 Conservatism hasn't conserved white civilization. 0.90

00:08:49.000 The alt-right makes an argument that conservatism, classical liberalism, that these things are very bad.

00:08:55.000 That is the argument of the alt-right. 0.99

00:08:57.000 To lump me in with those pseudo-intellectual jackasses is the height of ridiculousness. 0.99

00:09:03.000 That that's what The Economist did. 0.97

00:09:05.000 And that's what they've been doing with Jordan Peterson.

00:09:06.000 And that's what they've been doing with everybody ranging from Sam Harris to Bill Maher, depending on the day.

00:09:12.000 This is insanity.

00:09:14.000 I have no respect for any purportedly journalistic outfit.

00:09:17.000 I mean, so much journalism.

00:09:19.000 Journalism everywhere by The Economist. 0.99

00:09:21.000 I have no respect for anybody who purports to even pretend to be journalistic, who writes garbage like that. 0.99

00:09:27.000 And neither should you. 0.99

00:09:28.000 Neither should you.

00:09:30.000 All this would take is a rudimentary Google search.

00:09:33.000 Instead, they decided to go for the clickbait, they decided to go for the slander, all because they were just ticked off, presumably, that the book sold so well.

00:09:41.000 All because they were just ticked off that we were number one on the New York Times bestseller list. 0.93

00:09:44.000 Because again, they tweeted out the audio last week, without any of this slanderous crap. 0.79

00:09:48.000 But now they tweet it out with the slander, and of course that's what's getting the clicks, because you come after me and you call me a racist, you're more likely to get clicks than if you come after me and suggest that I'm defending Western civilization.

00:09:59.000 Okay, well, I do think that this does have a linkage to the more general left view of Western civilization as inherently linked to race.

00:10:09.000 As I say in the book, one of the big problems we have right now is that all of the ties that bind us, the ties that tie us together, the things that make us a civilization together, the principles, the immutable principles of the innate value of the individual, The belief that we have free will, that we are responsible for our own actions, that the universe is an orderly, understandable place, and that we have the capacity to sit and discuss with one another.

00:10:29.000 These concepts, which are rooted in both Judeo-Christian morality and in Greek teleology, That these very concepts have fallen under attack.

00:10:39.000 And there's a whole group of people in the West who do see Western civilization as racial.

00:10:44.000 On the right, those come in the form of alt-right racists.

00:10:47.000 And on the left, this comes in the form of people who label Western civilization itself inherently bad, and the institutions of Western civilization themselves inherently racist.

00:10:55.000 The idea is that Western civilization, in reality, is merely a pretext.

00:11:00.000 When we talk about Western civilization, what we really mean is race.

00:11:05.000 This is how the left gets to the point where they can lump me in with people who want to kill me.

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00:12:29.000 Okay, so how does the left commit this trick where suddenly the conservatives are all alt-right?

00:12:36.000 It's because what they say is that when people use the term Western civilization, they're inherently reinforcing a racist hierarchy.

00:12:42.000 So when I speak about generalized principles, when I write a 250-page book about the principles of Western civilization going all the way back 3,000 years to Sinai and then through ancient Greece, When I do that, what I'm really doing is reinforcing the racial power hierarchy in the United States and in the West. 0.93

00:13:00.000 So anyone who stands up for Western civilization is in fact, in sophisticated fashion, standing up for this racial power hierarchy. 0.91

00:13:08.000 Now that's a bunch of crap, but you can see that this mindset has infused a certain element of the left, and that element of the left is unfortunately gaining strength.

00:13:16.000 It really is a threat to the civilization upon which we stand. 0.98

00:13:20.000 A great indicator of this is Joe Biden.

00:13:21.000 So Joe Biden was vice president of the United States. 1.00

00:13:23.000 And yes, he's a dolt. 1.00

00:13:24.000 And yes, he's a dullard. 0.99

00:13:25.000 But Joe Biden said yesterday that English jurisprudential culture, you know, the culture that brought you equal rights under law, that brought you limited government, that brought you the idea of constitutional monarchy, that brought you the idea of tort law, you know, that culture, that culture that basically built the Anglosphere, That culture is bad. 0.96

00:13:47.000 It's very bad.

00:13:48.000 In fact, it's racist. 0.97

00:13:50.000 It's white culture. 0.78

00:13:50.000 He's saying the same thing in his way as the alt-right. 0.78

00:13:52.000 The alt-right just says English jurisprudential culture is great, and it's great because white people created it. 0.70

00:13:57.000 And now Joe Biden is saying English jurisprudential culture is bad, and it's bad because white people created it.

00:14:03.000 I realize they get a little too passionate about this sometimes, but we all have an obligation to do nothing less than change the culture in this country.

00:14:12.000 That's just the laws.

00:14:12.000 We change the laws.

00:14:14.000 Change the culture.

00:14:16.000 But culture, this is English jurisprudential culture.

00:14:21.000 A white man's culture.

00:14:25.000 It's got to change.

00:14:30.000 Why does English jurisprudential culture have to change?

00:14:32.000 Apparently, in this speech, he cited the so-called rule of thumb.

00:14:38.000 So this is a myth.

00:14:38.000 Christina Hoff Summers has busted this myth.

00:14:40.000 There's a myth that in English jurisprudential law, a key tenet is that a man could beat his wife with a stick so long as the stick was no wider in girth than his thumb.

00:14:51.000 This is a lie.

00:14:52.000 It is not true.

00:14:53.000 It can't be found anywhere in the English legal books.

00:14:55.000 There's one judge who one time wrote about it and was mercilessly mocked for the rest of his career as Judge Thumb in Britain sometime in the 19th century.

00:15:03.000 And yet, somehow, this has become a key tenet in the left's takedown of Western civilization.

00:15:08.000 If you see Western civilization as predominantly racial, then you are doing it wrong.

00:15:12.000 This is true if you are on the right, and it is true if you are on the left.

00:15:16.000 And the fact that the left agrees with the alt-right on the nature of Western civilization means that Western civilization is really in trouble.

00:15:22.000 Because if instead of arguing over principles, and the application of those principles, if instead of applying reason to Judeo-Christian principle, and coming up with an admixture that makes all of our lives better, you decide, let's just abandon the whole project and revert to tribalism, because hey, everything is power hierarchies of race anyway, things get really ugly really quickly.

00:15:42.000 And this is how the left can lump everybody in, because if they say everything is tribal, then you're tribal too, even if you don't know it.

00:15:47.000 It really is disgusting. 0.98

00:15:49.000 It really is disgusting.

00:15:51.000 Well, speaking of differences between right and left, I do want to point out that the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Pete Buttigieg.

00:15:59.000 Buttigieg? 0.60

00:16:00.000 I'm still working on the pronunciation.

00:16:02.000 I've said before that I think he is one of the smarter people in the Democratic race.

00:16:05.000 I think that is true.

00:16:06.000 He seems to be more soft-spoken than a lot of the other Democrats.

00:16:09.000 He seems to be more reasonable in a lot of ways.

00:16:11.000 For example, yesterday, he suggested that he wouldn't boycott Chick-fil-A because he likes their chicken, which seems like a perfectly rational We've allowed our conservative friends to get a monopoly on the idea of freedom.

00:16:22.000 left when it comes to key items of principle.

00:16:23.000 And what's fascinating is to watch as the Democratic left tries to hijack the term freedom to describe a program that is directly opposed to freedom in any traditional sense.

00:16:36.000 Here's Pete Buttigieg trying to explain why his giant government programs are in fact an element of freedom.

00:16:40.000 We've allowed our conservative friends to get a monopoly on the idea of freedom.

00:16:46.000 Now they care about freedom, but they care about a very specific Kind of freedom.

00:16:52.000 Freedom from.

00:16:55.000 Freedom from regulation.

00:16:58.000 You're not free if there is a veil of mistrust between you as a person of color and the officers who are sworn to keep you safe.

00:17:06.000 You're not free if your reproductive choices are being dictated by male politicians and Don't let anybody tell you that the other side is the side that's got a handle on freedom. 0.99

00:17:15.000 We are the party of freedom and we shouldn't be afraid to go out there and say it.

00:17:18.000 Now what's hilarious is that in that video, Buttigieg actually goes ahead and he talks about how the right's version of freedom is freedom from.

00:17:25.000 How what the right wants is freedom from government.

00:17:27.000 And then he says, well, but that's not real freedom.

00:17:29.000 You have to have freedom from your cable company.

00:17:31.000 Really?

00:17:31.000 From your cable company?

00:17:33.000 That's where you have to have freedom?

00:17:34.000 From your cable company?

00:17:35.000 He says, it's not freedom if you have job lock, if you have to work for a company because they provide you benefits.

00:17:41.000 That's not freedom?

00:17:42.000 Really?

00:17:42.000 Because it seems to me that you are making a voluntary dispensation of your labor in return for someone else's voluntary dispensation of benefits.

00:17:50.000 So, yeah, that would be freedom right there.

00:17:52.000 And then he cites a bunch of stuff, Buttigieg, that is actual government involvement.

00:17:57.000 So he's talking about how freedom is infringed upon when officers do racist things.

00:18:02.000 Right, because armed officers are the arms of the state.

00:18:06.000 So you agree with me on the definition of freedom, Mayor Buttigieg.

00:18:10.000 And then, Mayor Buttigieg suggests that it is a violation of freedom if a county clerk denies you some sort of marital license.

00:18:18.000 Well, it is a denial of freedom in a certain sense.

00:18:21.000 I mean, we can argue over whether that denial of freedom is quote-unquote justified or not.

00:18:26.000 We can argue over whether the state ought to be providing benefits to particular couples or not.

00:18:32.000 That seems like a rational conversation we can have.

00:18:34.000 But if he's talking about the state cracking down on voluntary sexual activity that is consensual in nature, then we agree and we're just both libertarian.

00:18:44.000 It's amazing.

00:18:45.000 One of the things that the left is fond of doing, as you see with the term alt-right, is they define the term, and then they proceed to expand the term dramatically to include stuff they want to include.

00:18:55.000 So alt-right starts off as an actual descriptor of an actual group of people, and then it quickly expands to include anybody with whom they disagree.

00:19:02.000 And it is the same thing with the word freedom.

00:19:04.000 Freedom starts off with a pretty exact definition, which is freedom from government intervention, freedom from the government cracking down on you.

00:19:10.000 And then they expand it to include freedom from anything that you don't want.

00:19:14.000 And then they expand it to include freedom to take stuff from other people.

00:19:19.000 By gradually expanding the definition of words, they change the way that people think, folks on the left.

00:19:24.000 That is the goal.

00:19:25.000 And you see this in many areas of American life.

00:19:28.000 You see this with regard to sex and gender, for example.

00:19:30.000 So the left starts off by arguing that gender is distinct from sex.

00:19:33.000 Your self-identification as a man or a woman is distinct from your biological sex.

00:19:37.000 That is, at best, an arguable biological proposition.

00:19:40.000 But as a logical proposition, I guess you can make the argument.

00:19:43.000 But then what the left quickly does is they expand the definition of gender to re-encompass biological sex.

00:19:48.000 So, in other words, you are a biological male, and you are a gendered female, according to the left.

00:19:53.000 This means that you are a female. 0.99

00:19:55.000 In a biological sense, you now have a female penis. 1.00

00:19:58.000 And now, that doesn't make any sense, but they've expanded the terminology so as to embrace all that they wish to embrace. 0.98

00:20:04.000 Playing with words is a very clever way of doing all of this.

00:20:09.000 And it's fascinating.

00:20:10.000 You can always watch by how the terms expand, how the terms expand and contract.

00:20:15.000 You can see where the left moves just by following the etymology of the terminology that they are using, following the history of the words that they like to use.

00:20:24.000 So to go back to that Biden example for a second, you have Joe Biden ripping on English jurisprudence, right?

00:20:29.000 It's white culture, English jurisprudence. 0.87

00:20:31.000 I'm old enough to remember when his former boss, Barack Obama, In that speech, I spoke about why I love this country.

00:20:36.000 Why I love America.

00:20:37.000 And what I believe sets this country apart from so many other nations in so many eras.

00:20:40.000 is demeaning it.

00:20:41.000 Now Anglo-American culture encompasses racism. 0.79

00:20:43.000 Weird, because it didn't before when Barack Obama was talking about it.

00:20:46.000 In that speech, I spoke about why I love this country, why I love America, and what I believe sets this country apart from so many other nations in so many eras.

00:20:59.000 I said that the true genius of America is a faith in simple dreams, an insistence in small miracles, that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm, that we can tuck in our children at night and know that they are fed and clothed and safe from harm, that we can say what we think, write Thank you.

00:21:25.000 Now, he talks about that as a legacy of Anglo-American law.

00:21:28.000 He said that habeas corpus was a perfect example of Anglo-American law.

00:21:32.000 Now the left has expanded Anglo-American law or English jurisprudence to mean racism because they've decided to shift the meaning of all of this stuff.

00:21:40.000 A term that once was good has now become bad because they've decided to expand the application of the term.

00:21:46.000 Remember that when Pete Buttigieg says that the Democrats are the party of freedom, he is talking about the same party as Bernie Sanders, who legitimately said just yesterday that we should get rid of all insurance companies in the United States and rob some 160 million people of their health insurance plans.

00:22:01.000 You are not going to be able, in the long run, to have cost-effective, universal healthcare unless you change the system, unless you get rid of the insurance companies, unless you stand up to the greed of the drug companies and lower prescription drug costs.

00:22:16.000 That's the only way.

00:22:18.000 That you could provide quality care to all people.

00:22:20.000 I look at healthcare, Chris, the same way as I look at public education, the same way I look at police protection, fire protection.

00:22:28.000 All people get it, regardless of their income.

00:22:30.000 It is publicly funded.

00:22:31.000 That is the most cost-effective way to provide healthcare to all.

00:22:35.000 So, freedom is now stealing people's health insurance away from them.

00:22:39.000 Taking it, like, voluntarily agreed to health insurance, taking it away from them.

00:22:42.000 And Anglo-American jurisprudence is now white culture. 0.76

00:22:46.000 And alt-right is now just conservative.

00:22:48.000 You keep expanding terms to fit what you want them to fit and language has no meaning.

00:22:52.000 We can't have discussions.

00:22:53.000 We can't be reasonable with each other because you keep shifting the ground upon which we are standing.

00:22:58.000 Okay, coming up, we're going to talk about the latest in the Jussie Smollett case because there's some breaking developments in that case.

00:23:03.000 Plus, President Trump going after his enemies, going after his nemeses over the release of the Mueller report.

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00:24:42.000 Alrighty, so the latest on the Jussie Smollett case.

00:24:45.000 That case continues to unfold and we are finding out more and more about the dramatic malfeasance.

00:24:50.000 I mean serious malfeasance Of the state's attorney's office in Cook County.

00:24:56.000 So Fox, the woman's name is Kim Fox. 1.00

00:24:58.000 She's the state's attorney's office.

00:25:00.000 Ten minutes ago, she confirmed that she did not actually recuse herself from the Smollett case, legally speaking.

00:25:06.000 Apparently her spokeswoman, Tandra Simonton, said, quote, the state's attorney did not formally recuse herself or the office based on any actual conflict of interest.

00:25:15.000 As a result, she did not have to seek the appointment of a special prosecutor under the law.

00:25:19.000 Instead, she simply took her first assistant, Joe Maggots, out front to take the beating that would come. 0.99

00:25:24.000 Quote, although we use the term recuse as it relates to state attorney's Fox involvement in the matter, it was a colloquial use of the term rather than in its legal sense.

00:25:33.000 Oh, is that what happened there?

00:25:35.000 You just colloquially recused yourself without recusing yourself, you know, like actually recusing yourself.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, that's that's a little corrupt.

00:25:43.000 In fact, the breaking breaking news.

00:25:45.000 I mean, the FBI is now telling local ABC News reporter Rob Elgas that they are reviewing the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of the criminal charges against Empire actor Jussie Smollett.

00:25:55.000 Remember the guy who was the victim of the fake hate crime?

00:25:58.000 It's hilarious.

00:25:58.000 The left is now out there defending him.

00:25:59.000 I mean, like, DeRay McKesson is out there defending him.

00:26:01.000 Why?

00:26:01.000 Because there's the headline that says that the police put up the two Nigerian brothers who allegedly beat him up in a hotel for a night.

00:26:08.000 Why?

00:26:08.000 Because they were witnesses.

00:26:10.000 They were cooperating witnesses, guys.

00:26:12.000 So it's probably that.

00:26:13.000 So they're buying Jussie Smollett's argument that, presumably, that he was actually beaten in a hate crime by two people he was friends with and called an hour before and signed a check to afterward.

00:26:25.000 It's a weird contention.

00:26:27.000 How bad is the case for Jussie Smollett?

00:26:29.000 His attorney came out and explained that maybe when Jussie Smollett described his attackers as white, it's because the Nigerian brothers were wearing whiteface.

00:26:36.000 I kid you not, this is a thing that was said by a human.

00:26:39.000 Why did he say that?

00:26:40.000 He could have said, I don't know.

00:26:42.000 He could have, but this, again, he's being truthful.

00:26:44.000 But if it's the Osindaro brothers, what are the chances that that's the case?

00:26:47.000 That he saw somebody with light skin?

00:26:50.000 Well, you know, I mean, I think there's Obviously, you can disguise that.

00:26:54.000 You could put makeup on.

00:26:55.000 There is actually, interestingly enough, a video.

00:26:58.000 You know, I think police did minimal investigation in this case.

00:27:00.000 It took me all of five minutes to Google.

00:27:03.000 You know, I was looking up the brothers, and one of the first videos that showed up, actually, was one of the brothers in white face doing a Joker monologue with white makeup on.

00:27:10.000 And so it's not implausible.

00:27:13.000 Really?

00:27:13.000 It's not implausible?

00:27:14.000 So they put on whiteface. 0.86

00:27:15.000 That's the suggestion.

00:27:16.000 And this is now being parroted around the internet by people on the left.

00:27:19.000 Oh, that's probably what happened.

00:27:20.000 These Nigerian brothers decided to commit a hate crime by putting on whiteface. 1.00

00:27:24.000 So they're the hoaxsters, not Jussie Smollett.

00:27:27.000 How bad was the handling of this entire case?

00:27:30.000 So bad that the National Association of District Attorneys torched Kim Foxx yesterday. 1.00

00:27:35.000 They put out a statement.

00:27:36.000 They said, quote, First, when a chief prosecutor accuses him or herself, the recusal must apply to the entire office, not just the elected or appointed prosecutor.

00:27:44.000 This is consistent with best practices for prosecutors' offices around the country.

00:27:48.000 Second, prosecutors should not take advice from politically connected friends of the accused.

00:27:53.000 Each case should be approached with the goal of justice for victims, while protecting the rights of the defendant.

00:27:58.000 Well, yeah, and what they're referring to there is that Tina Tchen, who is a former aide to Michelle Obama, called up the district attorney in this case, the state's attorney, and asked her to drop the case, basically.

00:28:07.000 Third, when a prosecutor seeks to resolve a case through diversion or some other alternative to prosecution, it should be done with an acknowledgment of culpability on the part of the defendant.

00:28:17.000 A case with the consequential effects of Mr. Smollett's should not be resolved without a finding of guilt or innocence.

00:28:23.000 Yes, this is what we commented yesterday.

00:28:25.000 If Smollett were going to be let off the hook, at least you would have to apologize.

00:28:27.000 Now, fourth, expunging Mr. Smollett's record at this immediate stage is counter to transparency.

00:28:33.000 Law enforcement will now not be able to acknowledge that Mr. Smollett was indicted and charged with these horrible crimes, and the full record of what occurred will be forever hidden from public view.

00:28:41.000 Finally, we believe strongly that hate crimes should be prosecuted vigorously, but the burden of proof should not be artificially increased due to the misguided decisions of others.

00:28:49.000 So even the National Association of District Attorneys is looking at Kim Foxx and saying, uh, what the hell is wrong with you?

00:28:57.000 How bad was Kim Foxx's decision here?

00:28:59.000 So bad that the FBI is now reviewing all the circumstances and a leaked email from the prosecutor's office shows them scrambling, scrambling to find other cases where charges were suddenly dropped under conditions like Smollett's.

00:29:11.000 Here's an email that went out to the entire state attorney's office in the aftermath of their decision, quote, Hello everyone.

00:29:19.000 We are looking for examples of cases, felony preferable, where we, in exercising our discretion, have entered into verbal agreements with defense attorneys to dismiss charges against an offender if certain conditions were met, such as the payment of restitution, completion of community service, completion of class, etc., but the defendant was not placed in a formal diversion program.

00:29:37.000 In other words, yeah, we know we did something that was completely ridiculous here, but let's see if we can find a precedent for the completely ridiculous thing we actually did.

00:29:42.000 work with them to further further to figure out on what case it was done nobody's in trouble we're just looking for further examples of how we as prosecutors use our discretion in a way that restores the victim that causes minimal harm to the defendant in the long term in other words yeah we know we did something that was completely ridiculous here but let's see if we can find a precedent for the completely ridiculous thing we actually did kim fox is in so much trouble that she is now denying that she asked the court for the file to be sealed she says it was now done by accident

00:30:09.000 it was an accident to ask the file to be sealed oh is that what happened kim fox i see how convenient fox yesterday said that the charges were appropriate but of course she has no precedent she has no excuse do you think jesse smollett is innocent - Okay.

00:30:27.000 You know, I think that the charges that were filed, and again, I was recused at the time of the charges, were appropriate.

00:30:34.000 I believe that the outcome, him having to forfeit the $10,000, having to do community service based on the allegations, and again, the class 4 felony and no background, are an outcome that we could expect with this type of case.

00:30:50.000 Okay, just, just absurd.

00:30:52.000 So she was not recused.

00:30:54.000 Now she is saying that the charges were well done, but it was accidentally sealed.

00:30:58.000 This is all nonsense.

00:30:59.000 The FBI should look into it.

00:31:00.000 President Trump, by the way, immediately jumped into this thing on Twitter.

00:31:03.000 So President Trump has now sounded off, which, you know, in these sorts of circumstances, dude, just let your DOJ do the work.

00:31:08.000 But President Trump tweeted out about this this morning.

00:31:12.000 He said, quote, FBI and DOJ to review the outrageous Jesse Smollett case in Chicago.

00:31:18.000 It is an embarrassment to our nation.

00:31:20.000 Well, he's right about that.

00:31:23.000 Even if I'm arguing with the method in which he unleashes said comments, the comments are not wrong, obviously.

00:31:30.000 OK, in just a second, we're going to get to President Trump fighting back against his critics on the Mueller report.

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00:33:08.000 Okay, so President Trump is now going on the offense against the folks who suggested that he was involved in Russian collusion.

00:33:22.000 He appeared via phone with Sean Hannity last night, and there he suggested that he was going to release a bunch of files.

00:33:29.000 Now, I've been saying for years that he should.

00:33:31.000 I've been saying for years that he kept complaining that the files showed, for example, that the Carter Page FISA warrant was illicitly gotten and that the attempt to phone tap Carter Page, who was a low-level foreign policy aide on the campaign and was suspected of being sort of a Russian tool, that that warrant was gotten on the basis of bad intel.

00:33:49.000 And Trump kept complaining about that.

00:33:50.000 I kept saying, listen, dude, you can declassify anytime you want.

00:33:53.000 I think this would be good.

00:33:53.000 The more we see in public view, the better.

00:33:55.000 Here's President Trump explaining that he's going to release some files of his own.

00:33:58.000 I have plans to declassify and release.

00:34:01.000 I have plans to absolutely release.

00:34:04.000 But I have some very talented people working for me, lawyers.

00:34:09.000 And they really didn't want me to do it early on.

00:34:11.000 A lot of people wanted me to do it a long time ago.

00:34:13.000 I'm glad I didn't do it.

00:34:14.000 We got a great result without having to do it, but we will.

00:34:17.000 One of the reasons that my lawyers didn't want me to do it is they said if I do it, They'll call it a form of obstruction.

00:34:24.000 Frankly, I thought it would be better if we held it to the end.

00:34:27.000 No, but at the right time, we will be absolutely releasing.

00:34:30.000 And I did the right thing by not doing it so far.

00:34:32.000 Okay, so, you know, President Trump vowing that he will now release a lot in the public view.

00:34:36.000 I think that'd be good.

00:34:37.000 I mean, more in the public view is better.

00:34:39.000 Now, I do think that it is possible For President Trump to overreach here.

00:34:42.000 I think it is possible for the right to overreach with the suggestion that every element of this investigation was somehow corrupt from the outset.

00:34:49.000 Now, I think there were elements of this investigation that may have been corrupt.

00:34:53.000 If it turns out that James Clapper was using the Steele dossier, the unverified Steele dossier, as the basis for this entire investigation, If it turns out that the members of the Obama intelligence team were using shoddy intel that they did not bother to do one moment of work on as the basis for launching an investigation into an opponent's political campaign, then that's indeed dirty stuff.

00:35:15.000 But I'm not sure that we're all the way there yet.

00:35:17.000 The fact is, George Papadopoulos, who was a low-level person with the Trump campaign, did meet with a Russian cutout.

00:35:24.000 It is true that in June 2016, there was a Trump Tower meeting between a Russian lawyer who was connected to the Russian government and Donald Trump Jr.

00:35:31.000 and other members of the campaign.

00:35:33.000 It is true that Paul Manafort had deep, lasting ties to the Russian government.

00:35:37.000 So it is possible to say a couple of things, and we don't know yet.

00:35:40.000 I'm sure we will find out.

00:35:41.000 We will know, I think in short order, whether this investigation was started on the basis of illicit corruption or whether it was started, honestly, like a lot of investigations and just never came to fruition.

00:35:51.000 And then it turned bad because all the people who were involved in the investigation were personally invested in the investigation coming up with something.

00:35:59.000 That it started off as a non-witch hunt, in other words, and then it gradually turned into a witch hunt where everybody was suspected of every crime without any proper evidence. 0.99

00:36:08.000 To me that seems more likely, because I usually attribute to stupidity that which, I usually attribute to malice only that which I cannot attribute to stupidity. 0.96

00:36:17.000 I think that, as Hanlon's Razor suggests, people are generally dumb and not malicious, and so probably the most likely scenario here is that people were handed intel, they got suspicious, they started an investigation, and then they convinced themselves that Trump and his team were guilty of something, and then they started pushing the edge. 0.97

00:36:34.000 Then they started doing things like issuing the Carter Page FISA Warrant, if in fact it turns out that the Carter Page FISA Warrant was based solely on the Steele dossier, for example. 0.69

00:36:43.000 President Trump, however, is firmly convinced that dirty cops started this.

00:36:46.000 Those are his words.

00:36:47.000 Here is his explanation to Sean Hannity of how this whole entire investigation got started.

00:36:51.000 There was no collusion.

00:36:52.000 There was no obstruction. 0.97

00:36:56.000 It was such a ridiculous thing that happened. 0.80

00:36:58.000 On the other hand, you know, you look at how did this start? 0.94

00:37:02.000 How did it start? 0.98

00:37:03.000 You had dirty cops. 0.98

00:37:04.000 You had people that are bad FBI folks. 0.99

00:37:07.000 I know so many.

00:37:07.000 They're incredible people.

00:37:09.000 But at the top, they were not clean, to put it mildly.

00:37:14.000 And what they did to our country was a terrible, terrible thing.

00:37:17.000 Okay, so that I think could end up being an overreach.

00:37:20.000 But here's the thing.

00:37:21.000 People tend to have a binary view of subjects.

00:37:24.000 People don't tend to be able to hold two thoughts at once.

00:37:27.000 Cognitive dissonance isn't a thing.

00:37:29.000 So people don't tend to be able to hold the view that, one, the investigation came up with nothing.

00:37:33.000 And yes, there were corrupt actors involved in the investigation.

00:37:37.000 And two, the investigation may not have been illicitly started.

00:37:40.000 It was just hijacked or used by people with political preferences who decided to violate the oaths that they had taken because they were so convinced of their own moral rectitude, which seems more likely to me.

00:37:50.000 That looks a lot like Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, for example.

00:37:54.000 With that said, President Trump knows that he's got room to run here.

00:37:56.000 He knows he's got momentum.

00:37:58.000 And so President Trump goes directly after James Comey.

00:38:00.000 And his description of James Comey?

00:38:02.000 Honestly, I don't think he's very far off here.

00:38:05.000 There was no crime.

00:38:06.000 As you know, you're only allowed to do this legally if there's a crime.

00:38:11.000 There was no crime.

00:38:12.000 They've all admitted it.

00:38:13.000 Comey, who's a terrible guy, Comey and McCabe and Strzok and Page, the lover, Page, and all of these people, they've admitted in testimony that there was no crime.

00:38:27.000 So they started an investigation based on no crime.

00:38:31.000 I mean, it's really, that part of it, the very end where he says it was an investigation based on no initial crime.

00:38:37.000 When you launch an investigation, I mean, I've worked in a DA's office.

00:38:40.000 When you launch an investigation, you typically do so on the basis of an allegation.

00:38:44.000 If it were proved, the person would already be in prison, presumably.

00:38:47.000 So, that's too far.

00:38:47.000 But when he talks about how Comey was a terrible guy, You know, Comey obviously believed what he wanted to believe.

00:38:53.000 Again, confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

00:38:56.000 So Comey appeared on NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt last night, and he explained that he thought that his firing was obstruction of justice.

00:39:02.000 What was the basis for that belief?

00:39:04.000 He didn't really have one, but he said it anyway.

00:39:07.000 This Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.

00:39:11.000 What did you think when you heard that?

00:39:14.000 I thought that's potentially obstruction of justice and I hope somebody is going to look at that.

00:39:19.000 What he appears to be saying is, I got rid of this guy to shut down an investigation that threatened me.

00:39:25.000 He said the Russia thing and you thought it was because of Russia?

00:39:29.000 Because he said so.

00:39:30.000 Yeah, so I did, yes.

00:39:31.000 And that, in your mind, would have been obstruction of justice?

00:39:33.000 No, potentially obstruction of justice.

00:39:35.000 And it's complicated when it's the President of the United States, given his authority over the executive branch, but you would certainly be irresponsible not to explore whether that is obstruction of justice.

00:39:45.000 Okay, would it be irresponsible not to explore it?

00:39:47.000 Because it sort of turns out that he had the right to fire anybody he wanted in the executive branch, so long as he was not actively impeding an ongoing investigation, which apparently he was not.

00:39:58.000 Because politics tends to break down into a battle of personalities, now that Trump has been largely vindicated on the collusion stuff, Comey is made to look a fool, and Trump has a lot of room to run here.

00:40:08.000 He really does.

00:40:09.000 Okay, coming up, I want to talk about Cory Booker, who appeared on CNN last night.

00:40:13.000 Again, what you learn more about the candidates these days is, I think, what you learn about the Democratic candidates Tells you more about where the Democratic base is than where the candidates are.

00:40:23.000 Because right now, what you see among the various Democratic candidates is a dramatic attempt to run where they think the base is.

00:40:30.000 This is what all politicians do during the primaries and the general.

00:40:33.000 They run to where they think the votes are.

00:40:35.000 When you watch people like Cory Booker, Who used to be a quote-unquote moderate, the senator from New Jersey.

00:40:40.000 He's a guy who used to work across the aisle, have conversations with people across the aisle.

00:40:44.000 He used to talk somewhat about school vouchers.

00:40:46.000 He used to talk about creative solutions to problems.

00:40:49.000 He wasn't a very good mayor of New York, but he used to talk about this stuff.

00:40:52.000 Now he is running as the craziest leftist you can imagine, which is, you know, pretty wild considering the rest of the Democratic Party at this point.

00:41:01.000 So Cory Booker appeared on CNN last night.

00:41:03.000 He had his big town hall event on CNN.

00:41:06.000 All the candidates have a town hall event on CNN.

00:41:08.000 And he was treated very warmly by Don Lemon.

00:41:10.000 It seems like they're personal friends.

00:41:11.000 Lemon started off by teasing Cory Booker about his veganism.

00:41:15.000 That's how this whole thing began.

00:41:16.000 This is a land of barbecue.

00:41:19.000 And you're a vegan.

00:41:20.000 I am.

00:41:20.000 What's that like?

00:41:22.000 What's that like?

00:41:22.000 How's that been for you?

00:41:24.000 It's been a great experience for me, great for well-being.

00:41:26.000 You know, when you come from a family that literally owned a soul food restaurant, my mom and dad, it may have caused some trouble, but now they understand that for health reasons, it's a good way to go.

00:41:35.000 Yeah, but you're not eating barbecue down here, right?

00:41:37.000 Maybe putting a little sauce on the vegetables.

00:41:41.000 So friendly.

00:41:41.000 This is the nice thing about being on CNN as a Democrat.

00:41:43.000 Things are so, so, so friendly.

00:41:45.000 I don't remember them being quite as friendly with, for example, Senator Ted Cruz.

00:41:49.000 But Cory Booker, the real point here is not—by the way, I just have to note, there was a point in this interview where Don Lemon, as they went to break, turned to Cory Booker, and he didn't realize his mic was still live, and he told Cory Booker that he had done a nice job on the answers.

00:42:02.000 Which, again, is pretty amazing.

00:42:03.000 We're going to be right back with more from CNN's Democratic Presidential Town Hall with Senator Cory Booker live from Orangeburg, South Carolina.

00:42:09.000 So make sure you stay with us.

00:42:11.000 Nice job.

00:42:17.000 Nice job.

00:42:20.000 No bias here.

00:42:21.000 Don Lemon is very, very objective in his journalism.

00:42:23.000 Anyway, Cory Booker is a great example of somebody who sort of speaks radicalism as a second language, in the same way that President Trump seemed to speak conservatism as a second language during the 2016 election.

00:42:35.000 Like, he would jump to conclusions he thought conservatives believed, even if they were wrong.

00:42:38.000 So famously, President Trump was asked whether women should be punished for abortions, and the pro-life position has generally been for decades at this point, no, that's not correct.

00:42:47.000 And Trump jumped right into it.

00:42:48.000 He was like, yeah, absolutely we should punish women for abortions because he thought that's what pro-life people thought because Trump didn't have a history with the pro-life movement.

00:42:56.000 Booker feels that way with the far left. 0.96

00:42:58.000 And so he says things that are just ridiculous on a regular basis. 0.59

00:43:03.000 So, for example, here was Cory Booker being asked about gun laws and just blowing it because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:43:08.000 If I am your president, we are going to bring the fight to the NRA who wants to represent corporate gun owners, corporate gun corporations, manufacturers more than they want to represent the people because this is what they're doing to Americans.

00:43:19.000 They are defending loopholes, like that loophole that if a man is convicted of beating his wife, he can find a loophole to go out and buy a gun and murder her.

00:43:28.000 They are defending not their membership but loopholes, like the loophole that says that someone on the terrorist no-fly list in our country can still go to a gun show and buy weapons, or that somebody that's convicted of a violent crime can still find a loophole to go and buy a weapon.

00:43:44.000 Okay, so there are so many flaws in what he is saying right there that, I mean, he's not even close to the truth.

00:43:49.000 It is not a loophole when someone violates a criminal law, number one.

00:43:54.000 Also, when he talks about the laws regarding guns, he's just not correct about them.

00:44:00.000 I mean, he just says things that are eminently untrue.

00:44:03.000 Dana Lash, who's a spokesperson for the National Rifle Association, went directly at him.

00:44:08.000 She said, first of all, the NRA is not an actual government organization.

00:44:13.000 The NRA represents everyday Americans.

00:44:16.000 Also, federal law bars domestic abusers from buying or possessing guns.

00:44:19.000 So what the hell are you talking about?

00:44:21.000 And Booker did this the whole interview, right? 0.96

00:44:23.000 Here is Booker explaining that he would rather hang out with a nice atheist than a mean religious person, as though religious people everywhere somehow would rather hang out with evil religious people than hang out with nice atheists.

00:44:35.000 I just want to say up front that I'm a person who often says that before you tell me about your religion, show it to me in how you treat other people.

00:44:47.000 I was raised in a church where my mom taught Sunday school, and I'll never forget learning that verse, that faith without works is dead.

00:44:55.000 And I'll tell you what, I feel like I'm in church right now.

00:45:01.000 And I'll tell you what, this is what often bothers me.

00:45:02.000 I would rather hang out with a nice atheist than a mean Christian any day of the week. 1.00

00:45:08.000 I love that that receives a giant round of applause.

00:45:10.000 You know who else would rather do that?

00:45:11.000 Every Christian I know.

00:45:13.000 You know why?

00:45:13.000 Because we don't like mean people.

00:45:15.000 Like, religious people generally.

00:45:16.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew, we're not big on the mean people.

00:45:18.000 Because mean people are unlikable, inherently.

00:45:22.000 This sort of pandering is so absurd.

00:45:24.000 The worst pandering, though, was Cory Booker on Jussie Smollett.

00:45:26.000 So he's asked about Jussie Smollett, and somehow, he manipulates this, does Spartacus, into an attack on the political right.

00:45:33.000 Which is a weird thing to do, since Jussie Smollett faked a hate crime. 1.00

00:45:36.000 I don't know all the details in the prosecutor's decision.

00:45:38.000 I know that's going to come out.

00:45:39.000 But what we've got to know is that this is happening in a larger context where hate crimes in this country are on the rise, where white supremacist violence is on the rise.

00:45:48.000 In fact, if you look at the majority of terrorist attacks since 9-11, the majority of them have been done by homegrown right-wing extremist groups, and the majority of those have been white supremacist groups.

00:46:00.000 What does that have to do with Jussie Smollett?

00:46:01.000 How do we get from the question, which was, was the decision to drop charges against Smollett a whitewash?

00:46:06.000 How do we get from that to the majority of terrorist attacks in the United States have been by white supremacist groups?

00:46:11.000 I mean, there's truth to that statement, although the majority of dead from terrorist attacks in the United States, particularly since 2001, if you include 2001, are in radical Islamic terror attacks.

00:46:21.000 But with that said, that's such a non-sequitur.

00:46:24.000 What does that have to do with anything?

00:46:26.000 So Jussie Smollett lied about a hate crime, and Cory Booker's response is to immediately launch into an attack on white supremacists.

00:46:33.000 Like, I'm fine with the attack on white supremacists. 0.83

00:46:35.000 Enjoy.

00:46:36.000 But I just want to know why that has anything to do with letting Jussie Smollett off the hook.

00:46:40.000 This is why Cory Booker is not a very good candidate, and this is why Cory Booker is inevitably going to fall apart, because it turns out that he, like too many other Democrats, is simply an empty vessel for what he thinks the base wants, rather than a representative of something actual and real.

00:46:54.000 It's one of the reasons, by the way, why Pete Buttigieg is actually picking up ground on Beto O'Rourke.

00:46:58.000 If you look at the Google searches, Buttigieg is suddenly picking up steam.

00:47:01.000 That's because he's more substantive than Beto O'Rourke.

00:47:05.000 At a certain point, even Democratic members of the base are going to want something a little more substantive than they've been offered so far.

00:47:10.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:47:13.000 So, things that I like.

00:47:14.000 One of the fun things about the launch of my number one New York Times bestselling book, The Right Side of History.

00:47:20.000 Just patting myself on the back right there.

00:47:21.000 And you, because you bought it.

00:47:22.000 It's really because of you.

00:47:23.000 Is that I have to sign something like 15 to 20,000.

00:47:27.000 Copies of the book now.

00:47:28.000 And that means that every night I have to put on a movie and then just sign and sign and sign and sign.

00:47:32.000 Well, the other night I was looking for something to watch and I came across a movie on Amazon Prime called Trans Siberian, which I missed at the time.

00:47:40.000 It is Woody Harrelson and Ben Kingsley.

00:47:41.000 Ben Kingsley is one of my favorite actors.

00:47:44.000 The movie is basically a potboiler about a couple who are on a train with another couple, and the other couple turns out may or may not be criminals.

00:47:54.000 The movie is called Trans Siberian.

00:47:55.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:47:58.000 Oh great, you're up, honey.

00:47:59.000 This is Carlos and Abby.

00:48:01.000 This is my wife, Jessie.

00:48:04.000 Next stop, Russia.

00:48:06.000 Come on! 0.61

00:48:08.000 Our new cabin mates.

00:48:09.000 Where'd they come from?

00:48:10.000 He said that they were teaching in Japan.

00:48:15.000 You think it's obvious that we're Americans?

00:48:18.000 This is Ilya Grinko.

00:48:20.000 He's a detective.

00:48:20.000 Who are the bad guys?

00:48:21.000 People who look innocent, but are really not.

00:48:25.000 They add special chemical to heroin, mold it into objects.

00:48:29.000 They pay much money for this.

00:48:32.000 What are these?

00:48:33.000 Did you buy them?

00:48:34.000 So, the movie is good.

00:48:36.000 Woody Harrelson is really good in it.

00:48:40.000 The whole movie is worth watching.

00:48:42.000 It's a really, kind of, tight little thriller.

00:48:45.000 So, worth picking up if you're looking for something to watch tonight.

00:48:48.000 Trans-Siberian on Amazon Prime.

00:48:50.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate. 0.65

00:48:56.000 So it turns out that ABC's The View is a complete crazy house.

00:49:00.000 There's a new book out called Ladies Who Punch, The Explosive Inside Story of The View.

00:49:03.000 It is written by Ramin Setudeh, the New York Bureau Chief of Variety, and it has a lot of details about the show.

00:49:10.000 They sat down for everyone except for Elizabeth Hasselbeck and Whoopi Goldberg.

00:49:14.000 There's a bunch of stuff in there that is not great for The View.

00:49:17.000 According to the Huffington Post review of the book, Barbara Walters, the founder of The View, is portrayed as a leader who understandably held a tight grip on the show, but was also deeply egomaniacal and threatened by women who are more popular, namely Joy Behar and Rosie O'Donnell.

00:49:29.000 The book also alleges she actively participated in undermining current and former co-hosts by leaking embarrassing information to the press.

00:49:37.000 Apparently, she did this specifically with Rosie O'Donnell. 0.98

00:49:41.000 She specifically went after Rosie O'Donnell and dictated that when Rosie O'Donnell's book came out, that there be a bunch of bad stuff that come out about Rosie O'Donnell in the press. 0.58

00:49:52.000 Apparently, there was a massive behind-the-scenes clash between Rosie O'Donnell and Mark Gentile, the show's director.

00:49:57.000 O'Donnell says she took issue with Gentile because of his incompetence.

00:50:00.000 Insiders at The View told Satuda that they believe O'Donnell targeted Gentile because he once rejected her offer to poach him from The View when she was trying to do her own daytime talk show.

00:50:10.000 In the book, O'Donnell shared a story of when she walked into a meeting at The View and asked a group of staffers, is this Mark Gentile's baby?

00:50:16.000 A woman producer at the show is holding a baby in her arms. 0.93

00:50:19.000 According to Citude, the producer, whom Citude has not named in the book, had been having an affair with Gentile who was married.

00:50:25.000 The affair was an open secret among the staff and Walters was aware of it.

00:50:28.000 The producer didn't directly report to Gentile, but at The View, this was not considered an issue.

00:50:34.000 So all sorts of details about The View.

00:50:35.000 It turns out, guys, that Hollywood is a terrible place filled with bad people who do bad things.

00:50:39.000 I know, hard to imagine.

00:50:41.000 In other Hollywood news, good news, Chris Evans, the guy who plays Captain America, and has... I'm in the battle of the Chrises, you know, Chris Pine, Chris Pratt.

00:50:52.000 They're a bunch of good Chris's.

00:50:54.000 I do not think that Chris Evans is one of them.

00:50:56.000 I do not think he's a very good actor.

00:50:57.000 And that is not merely because he said back in 2013 that he genuinely disliked me even though I have no idea if he's a nice guy or not.

00:51:04.000 I'm going to imagine he's not at this point.

00:51:06.000 He is founding a new political website because that's what we need.

00:51:09.000 It is called A Starting Point.

00:51:11.000 The mission to create informed, responsible, empathetic citizens.

00:51:15.000 Yeah, that's gonna be great.

00:51:17.000 That's what we need.

00:51:17.000 We need Chris Evans sounding off about politics.

00:51:20.000 He knows as much about politics as I know about memorizing scripts, which is to say, virtually nothing.

00:51:25.000 Also, Chris Evans, in his new role as ombudsman of an important journalistic outlet, suggested that he could no longer root for Tom Brady.

00:51:36.000 He said, quote, I really hope he's not a Trump supporter.

00:51:38.000 I'm just hoping he's one of those guys that maybe supported him and now regrets it.

00:51:41.000 Maybe he thought it was going to be different.

00:51:42.000 And even that bothers me. 1.00

00:51:44.000 But maybe there's a chance he now just thinks Trump's an absolute dumb bleep, which he is. 0.99

00:51:47.000 If he doesn't, if he's still on that Trump train, I might have to cut ties. 0.99

00:51:50.000 It's really tough.

00:51:52.000 So he's cutting ties with Tom Brady because Tom Brady supports a different political candidate.

00:51:55.000 He seems like a perfect candidate to run a journalistic outlet.

00:51:58.000 We need another outlet that is wildly left and inaccurate about their coverage.

00:52:01.000 I think that would be good.

00:52:02.000 That's probably the best.

00:52:04.000 All righty, so we will be back here later today with two additional hours.

00:52:07.000 Plus, we have an episode of Daily Wire backstage.

00:52:09.000 This is why you should subscribe.

00:52:10.000 Also, go pick up a copy of my number one New York Times bestselling book, The Right Side of History, labeled alt-right by The Economist.

00:52:15.000 By the way, breaking news, The Economist has now issued an apology.

00:52:19.000 Thank you.

00:52:20.000 It says, this article has been changed.

00:52:22.000 A previous version mistakenly described Mr. Shapiro as an alt-right sage and a pop idol of the alt-right.

00:52:27.000 In fact, he has been strongly critical of the alt-right movement.

00:52:30.000 We apologize.

00:52:31.000 Well, thanks.

00:52:33.000 Thanks.

00:52:34.000 Appreciate it.

00:52:35.000 All right.

00:52:35.000 We'll be back here later today with two more hours.

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00:53:03.000 Hey everybody, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:53:06.000 It's going to take some time before we understand the full effects of the end of the Mueller investigation.

00:53:11.000 I think it showed not only the corruption of the mainstream media, but the corruption of the Obama administration.

00:53:16.000 And even more than that, it shows the failure of the elites in this country to hold up their self-imposed status.

00:53:22.000 I'm Andrew Klavan.

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