The Ben Shapiro Show - The EVIL Revolutionary Left Cheers Murder!

00:00:00.000 Well, folks, we have updates in the search for the murderer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson.

00:00:05.000 He was, of course, on Wednesday.

00:00:07.000 And there are some pretty deep ramifications for American society and all this.

00:00:10.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

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00:00:24.000 Alrighty, so on Wednesday, as we know...

00:00:26.000 The United Health Executive, Brian Thompson, was shot to death on the streets of New York.

00:00:31.000 Authorities are still searching for the suspect at this point, according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:00:35.000 Police are combing New York City for the suspect who used a sharpie to write deny, defend and depose on cartridges that are believed to have come out of his gun when it jams, according to law enforcement officials.

00:00:45.000 Some of those words are commonly associated with tactics insurers use to avoid paying claims.

00:00:49.000 Investigators believe that the suspect may be staying or may have stayed at a hostel on Manhattan's Upper West Side.

00:00:56.000 The NYPD hasn't publicly identified the person who ambushed Brian Thompson.

00:01:00.000 However, they have released an image of the person, quote-unquote, wanted for questioning.

00:01:05.000 They released his face.

00:01:06.000 He's smiling and wearing a hood in one of the photos as he appears to lean on a counter.

00:01:09.000 Authorities are offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information, leading to an arrest in the case.

00:01:14.000 The real question in all of this is how Americans respond.

00:01:18.000 So Taylor Lorenz, we talked about her yesterday.

00:01:20.000 She is a psychotic former reporter for the Washington Post and the New York Times. 1.00

00:01:25.000 She's totally insane. 1.00

00:01:26.000 She was insane on COVID. She was insane when it came to the supposed predations of people on the right who ought to, she said, be shut out of media and particularly social media.

00:01:38.000 Well, now she is full-scale rallying in favor of the murderer.

00:01:42.000 So she tweeted yesterday on Blue Sky, which is a weird left-wing echo chamber form of Twitter.

00:01:48.000 There was a post put out by Blue Cross Blue Shield All about whether it was going to pay for anesthesia under its healthcare coverage.

00:01:57.000 And she then tweeted out, quote, and people wonder why we want these executives dead. 1.00

00:02:03.000 So openly cheering the death of Brian Thompson, that wasn't her only post.

00:02:08.000 Somebody put out a statement saying, quote, legislation idea, healthcare executives and their families must be on the cheapest plan their company offers and they aren't allowed to seek other care.

00:02:15.000 And she wrote in all capital letters, indoors.

00:02:18.000 Then, she put out a post that showed a graphic of a happy star, like a star with a happy face and balloons, and the captioned CEO down, and she wrote, And she said, I am not alone, that other people were doing the same thing.

00:02:33.000 Then she reposted a post from left-wing agitator Ken Klippenstein saying, today we remember the legacy of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

00:02:41.000 And what exactly was that legacy?

00:02:44.000 The claims and aisle rates by insurance companies.

00:02:47.000 And of course, it's not just Taylor Lorenz.

00:02:50.000 Socialist Nathan Robinson, a complete useless leech on the ass of society, posted himself, quote, live your life in such a way that people will be sad when you die.

00:03:00.000 That was above a screen cap of a New York Times headline that said torrent of hate for health insurance industry follows CEOs killing.

00:03:07.000 That piece from the New York Times is all about people who apparently were perfectly fine with the murder of Brian Thompson on the streets of New York City.

00:03:16.000 According to the New York Times, none of this stopped social media commentators from leaping to conclusions and showing a blatant lack of sympathy over the death of a man who is a husband and father of two children.

00:03:25.000 Thoughts and deductibles to the family, read one comment underneath a video of the shooting posted online by CNN. Unfortunately, my condolences are out of network.

00:03:33.000 A TikTok user wrote, quote, I'm an ER nurse, and the things I've seen dying patients get denied for by insurance makes me physically sick.

00:03:39.000 I just can't feel sympathy for him because of all those patients and their families.

00:03:43.000 And these sorts of messages were incredibly common across the internet.

00:03:47.000 We discussed yesterday a Columbia professor who wrote something very similar.

00:03:52.000 Unfortunately, bubbling under the surface of all this is something very serious, really serious.

00:03:57.000 What is that serious thing?

00:03:58.000 The revolutionary left is creeping into the mainstream.

00:04:01.000 Yesterday we talked about liberals versus the left.

00:04:03.000 Liberals are people who disagree with me on public policy but aren't in favor of, you know, the murder of their opponents.

00:04:07.000 The left is a different thing.

00:04:09.000 The shooting of Thompson has unleashed a wave of evil from members of the left.

00:04:13.000 Thompson was not a criminal.

00:04:15.000 He wasn't even an advocate of death the way, for example, abortion or euthanasia advocates are.

00:04:19.000 And by the way, murdering an abortionist or an advocate of euthanasia would be unjustifiable morally in a democratic system.

00:04:26.000 Brian Thompson's great sin, according to these people, is that he was the head of a company that exists within a mixed private-public healthcare framework And that he did his job.

00:04:35.000 Because that's how health insurance actually works.

00:04:37.000 Some things are covered and some things are not.

00:04:38.000 And you may not like the application of the coverage and it may be bad.

00:04:41.000 That is not an excuse for murder.

00:04:42.000 But for the left, if you hate the system, you are morally justified in murdering anyone who acts within the system.

00:04:48.000 That means that if, like one Bernie Sanders follower did, you believe that private health care kills Americans, you can go around murdering Congress people.

00:04:55.000 I know we buried that one.

00:04:57.000 Media pretended it never happened.

00:04:58.000 Steve Scalise is still limping today because he was nearly shot to death by a Bernie Sanders fan who believed that being part of the quote-unquote system that didn't nationalize health care meant you were a murderer.

00:05:08.000 This stuff means that if you don't like that health insurers often deny coverage for certain pre-existing conditions or non-covered doctors or medication, you can then murder the CEO of a health insurance company.

00:05:19.000 This is revolutionary leftist evil, and it's evil for a First, violence is not justified in a democracy where your say is part of the process.

00:05:28.000 This is why democracies are generally good because they outsource the violence to the government.

00:05:34.000 Revolution to overthrow tyranny is justified, but tyranny has to be actually real and violence has to be the last resort.

00:05:40.000 I didn't like public policy in California, so I picked up my family and my company and we left.

00:05:44.000 Okay, tyranny is not real in the case of healthcare in the United States, and violence is not being used as last resort in this particular case.

00:05:52.000 If you perceive America to be a tyranny and violence to be the proper response, that is a call for unending violence until the system itself is changed.

00:05:59.000 It's a call for revolution.

00:06:00.000 When you say it's okay to murder CEOs on the street, that is a call for revolution.

00:06:04.000 Second, violence against members of private industry, that isn't even a protest of public policy.

00:06:09.000 Let's be fair about this.

00:06:09.000 That isn't even shooting politicians, which would be evil enough.

00:06:12.000 It's even a different level of evil because it's a protest against the very system of free markets themselves.

00:06:17.000 Brian Thompson isn't responsible for America's healthcare system any more than the head of CVS is responsible for America's trade system.

00:06:25.000 Directing hatred against Brian Thompson is not about shaping public policy because you could shoot every CEO in America and it wouldn't shape public policy.

00:06:31.000 It turns out that it's about trying to threaten anyone who engages in free markets at all.

00:06:36.000 This is simply Marxist leftist radical evil.

00:06:39.000 This person could just as easily have shot a doctor who decided not to perform a surgery or shot a bank CEO who denied a loan application for a home.

00:06:47.000 It would have fallen under the same category.

00:06:50.000 This, by the way, is not uncommon, unfortunately, in modern Western history.

00:06:54.000 This was all the philosophy of the Red Army faction in Germany in the 1970s.

00:06:57.000 That was known as the Beider-Meinhof gang.

00:06:58.000 They weren't seeking a better world.

00:07:00.000 They were seeking to tear down the world of capitalism on behalf of Marxist revolutionary evil.

00:07:05.000 These are people who routinely quoted Herbar Marcuse and Antonio Gramsci.

00:07:09.000 They called for revolution.

00:07:11.000 Ulrike Meinhof, a left-wing radical journalist, led the way.

00:07:14.000 She famously said, quote, Protest is when I say this does not please me.

00:07:17.000 Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more.

00:07:21.000 And that language is replete with echoes in today's society from college campuses to left-wing media.

00:07:28.000 That philosophy led the Beider-Meinhof gang to engage in routine assassination of everyone, from industrialists like Hans Martin Schleyer to Dresdner Bankhead Jürgen Ponto to American soldiers in Germany.

00:07:37.000 These people also sometimes become the tools of enemy regimes.

00:07:41.000 Beider-Meinhof certainly was.

00:07:42.000 They worked with the Stasi, the East German Stasi, other Soviet agents to foment chaos. 0.84

00:07:46.000 They coordinated with terrorist groups like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Palestine Liberation Organization itself.

00:07:52.000 The origins of Beider-Meinhof came from the 1968 student protests in Germany, Does any of this sound familiar?

00:07:58.000 They were Marxist in orientation.

00:08:00.000 They were actually influenced by the 1965 Watts riots in the United States, radical race riots in the United States, in which violence was somehow justified.

00:08:07.000 They allied with radicals all over the globe.

00:08:09.000 They would read Che Guevara.

00:08:10.000 They wrote essays defending the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympians by Palestinian terrorists.

00:08:15.000 Stephen Ost is an author who literally wrote the book on the Beider-Meinhof gang.

00:08:19.000 And he pointed out, quote, We're good to go.

00:08:51.000 Propaganda piece on behalf of actual groups that would end up with an Islamic fascist regime in Algeria.

00:08:58.000 The pop poster of Che Guevara hung on his wall.

00:09:00.000 He paid a designer to make a red army faction logo, a drawing of a machine gun against a red star.

00:09:05.000 So, with all this backdrop, what exactly are we supposed to make of journalists, pseudo-journalists like Taylor Lorenz, or academics like that Columbia professor who proclaims soft support for the murder of Brian Thompson?

00:09:15.000 Well, I mean, I think that we should take it as a leading, bleeding-edge indicator that we are on the verge of something terrible.

00:09:20.000 After all, these acts of violence, they're not quite as sporadic as they used to be.

00:09:24.000 This follows hard on the Black Lives Matter riots, which burned cities, did $2 billion in property damage, and were indulged and even celebrated by many on the left. 0.96

00:09:33.000 The Hamas takeover of our college campuses, again, indulged and celebrated by the left-wing elite, up to and including the Democratic presidential candidate for the United States. 0.64

00:09:42.000 And now, the not-so-quiet applause for the assassination of a private healthcare CEO. The toxic brew of radicalism and violence that characterized the 70s in Germany and the United States, actually, because it happened in the U.S., too.

00:09:53.000 Enormous number of terror bombings in the United States in the 1970s.

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00:12:15.000 Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dorn, they found high positions in academia.

00:12:18.000 They used to hang out with Barack Obama after spending years planting bombs with the weather underground.

00:12:23.000 Certainly today, a desperate left, spurred to action by constant talk of the fascistic takeover of Donald Trump, they can be counted on to increase their support for violence.

00:12:31.000 I mean, there were two assassination attempts against Donald Trump in the last six months.

00:12:35.000 That's an indicator of just how deeply this rot is spreading.

00:12:38.000 And it has to be stopped.

00:12:39.000 It has to be stopped.

00:12:41.000 It can only be stopped by a widespread rejection on all sides of the aisle for this type of violence and for support of this type of violence.

00:12:48.000 The shooter in this case, we can only hope, is arrested and should be given the death penalty.

00:12:53.000 Seedbeds for Marxist-Leninist violence on college campuses?

00:12:55.000 I hope the incoming Department of Education defunds all of it.

00:12:59.000 Defunds all of it.

00:13:01.000 Pseudo-journalists like Taylor Lorenz should not only be rejected from polite society, all of the publications that hired her knowing she was a nut and then promoted her knowing she was a nut should be called on the carpet by the American public. 0.71

00:13:13.000 The Brian Thompson shooting is a bleeding edge indicator of where the country could be going.

00:13:17.000 It's the reason why there were security professionals who were wondering why he was walking around without security.

00:13:22.000 That says something about the American body politic.

00:13:25.000 A lot of people that I know now have to have 24-7 security just because of the climate of violence that is bubbling under the surface.

00:13:32.000 All it takes is somebody with some organizational capacity on the left to launch America into a new era of domestic terrorism with the tacit moral support of much of the journalistic establishment.

00:13:40.000 Meanwhile, of course, many of those people in the journalistic establishment will claim it's the right that's violent in the United States.

00:13:45.000 That is not the story of the last 10-15 years in American life.

00:13:50.000 And certainly it's not the story today.

00:13:52.000 And it's something we need to watch out for because this has happened in the West before.

00:13:56.000 And once that can of violence is open, it is very difficult to close again without concerted action, not just by law enforcement, but by an American public that decides it doesn't want to have anything to do with these people.

00:14:09.000 It's something deeply disturbing and scary that there are so many people who are blasé about the murder of a private healthcare CEO because they don't like the way the healthcare system works in the United States.

00:14:20.000 It can be done with literally any business in the country.

00:14:22.000 Any business.

00:14:23.000 Name an industry.

00:14:24.000 And you can make the case that something unfair is happening in the industry.

00:14:28.000 This is why socialist leech scavenger lingo used by people like Bernie Sanders.

00:14:33.000 If you want to talk about stochastic terrorism, if you want to talk about rhetoric that leads to a higher possibility of violence, when you suggest that everything in American life is unfair and bad and rigged by the system, When you suggest that, and then you suggest that anybody who does business is merely an apparatchik of that system, the result is a support for revolutionary violence.

00:14:54.000 They're raising that temperature.

00:14:55.000 It's going to stop bubbling and it's going to start bursting out into the open.

00:14:58.000 Okay, meanwhile, the Trump administration is moving forward.

00:15:03.000 It's interesting to watch because Trump 2.0, I will say, is much more...

00:15:09.000 Efficient, significantly more directed than Trump 1.0.

00:15:12.000 Which makes sense.

00:15:13.000 Donald Trump had never held public office before he was elected president in 2016. Now he's been president once.

00:15:17.000 He knows where the bodies are buried.

00:15:19.000 He knows what needs to get done.

00:15:20.000 I think the biggest threat to the Trump presidency is being distracted by shiny baubles.

00:15:24.000 It's being distracted by sort of dumb rhetorical fights.

00:15:27.000 But Donald Trump is set for a historic presidency right now.

00:15:31.000 And you're seeing the people surrounding him encouraging him in the right way, I think, toward that.

00:15:35.000 Lara Trump, of course, is the head of the RNC. She pointed out that Donald Trump is not seeking revenge.

00:15:40.000 Now, by the way, I think this is true.

00:15:42.000 I think that the Donald Trump is seeking revenge narrative is something that Democrats are promoting as an excuse to blanket pardon all of their friends.

00:15:49.000 But the reality is Donald Trump did not seek revenge his first time around.

00:15:52.000 And it is not revenge to fire people who are involved in things like Russiagate.

00:15:56.000 That is not revenge.

00:15:57.000 That is the proper response to blowing it on your job.

00:16:01.000 Here is Laura Trump yesterday.

00:16:03.000 We remember how he was the first term in office.

00:16:06.000 He didn't start World War III. He was actually the first president in 82 years not to start a new war, not to get America into a new war.

00:16:13.000 And much in the same way, I think people are going to see very quickly that this is a man who really just wants to go in there and take charge of this country as the American people mandated.

00:16:23.000 You know, secure our border, bring down inflation, get us out of wars, and do the right things for America.

00:16:28.000 He has no intention on retribution or revenge.

00:16:33.000 Again, he has things to do, and I think that is the point.

00:16:36.000 And you're starting to see corporate CEOs, people who are not friendly to Donald Trump, realize this.

00:16:40.000 So Jeff Bezos, the head of Amazon, and also tangentially the Washington Post, because who cares about the Washington Post?

00:16:45.000 Bezos says that he thinks that Donald Trump is calmer and more settled now that he actually has an agenda.

00:16:52.000 I'm super optimistic.

00:16:54.000 I'm very optimistic that President Trump is serious about this regulatory agenda and I think he has a good chance of succeeding.

00:17:05.000 What about the idea that he thinks that the press is the enemy?

00:17:09.000 Well, I think he, I'm going to try to talk him out of that idea.

00:17:14.000 I don't think the press is the enemy.

00:17:16.000 And I don't think, you know, he's also, you've probably grown in the last eight years.

00:17:21.000 He has too.

00:17:22.000 Like, it's, you know, this is not the case.

00:17:26.000 The press is not the enemy.

00:17:27.000 I hope you're right.

00:17:28.000 I hope I'm right too.

00:17:30.000 Let's go persuade him of this.

00:17:31.000 Have you talked to him about it?

00:17:33.000 Let's go talk to him.

00:17:34.000 If we could try.

00:17:35.000 I really don't...

00:17:36.000 I think that this is absolutely...

00:17:40.000 I don't think he's going to see it the same way.

00:17:46.000 But maybe I'll be wrong.

00:17:48.000 Was that always your thought, by the way?

00:17:52.000 What I've seen so far is that he is calmer than he was the first time and more confident, more settled.

00:18:04.000 I mean, first of all, that's actually true.

00:18:06.000 And the reason that's true is because Donald Trump is oriented toward victory.

00:18:09.000 He just won the last victory he can win in the political sphere.

00:18:12.000 Like, he won.

00:18:13.000 It's over.

00:18:14.000 There's not going to be a third term for President Trump.

00:18:15.000 It's not constitutional.

00:18:16.000 So that means that he now knows that he has won, and that gives him a feeling of solidity, for sure, and a feeling that now he just has to pursue his agenda.

00:18:25.000 That there's nothing that can be done to take that victory away from him.

00:18:28.000 He is right about all of that.

00:18:29.000 In here, Andrew Ross Sorkin from the New York Times being very skeptical about that.

00:18:33.000 But again, I think that's a buildup in the head of people who tend to be on the left.

00:18:36.000 Oh my gosh, it's just going to be chaos and terror.

00:18:38.000 Here's the thing.

00:18:38.000 It wasn't even during the first administration.

00:18:41.000 The second administration is going to be a lot more pointed than that.

00:18:44.000 Bezos then said that he was optimistic that Donald Trump is going to cut the red tape, which of course should be good for everybody.

00:18:49.000 By the way, it points to John Fetterman, who came out and said that he's in favor of Elon Musk over at Doge.

00:18:53.000 Like, this should be a bipartisan thing, going through and ripping away the red tape and ripping away the useless government spending.

00:18:59.000 If we're talking about Trump, I think it's very interesting.

00:19:03.000 I'm actually very optimistic this time around that we're going to see...

00:19:08.000 I'm very hopeful about his He seems to have a lot of energy around reducing regulation.

00:19:17.000 And my point of view, if I can help him do that, I'm going to help him.

00:19:20.000 Because we do have too much regulation in this country.

00:19:23.000 This country is so set up to grow.

00:19:27.000 By the way, all of our problems, all of our economic problems, like if you look at...

00:19:34.000 The debt, the national debt, and how gigantic it is as a portion of GDP. These are real problems, and they're real long-term problems.

00:19:42.000 And the way you get out of them is by outgrowing them.

00:19:46.000 You're going to solve the problem of the national debt by making it a smaller percentage of GDP. Not by shrinking the national debt, but by growing the GDP. You have to grow the denominator.

00:20:02.000 He is right about that, and that is something that Donald Trump is, in fact, focused on.

00:20:05.000 Because here's the actual reality of politics in the United States.

00:20:08.000 There will be cuts around the edges.

00:20:10.000 There should be cuts around the edges.

00:20:11.000 It's going to be very difficult to convince the American people that the giant systemic drivers of American debt, namely Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, Which are the giant drivers of American debt.

00:20:20.000 Those are going to be radically restructured.

00:20:22.000 Trump knows this, which is why he ruled it off the table in the middle of the campaign.

00:20:27.000 And so what that means is that you're going to have to grow your way out of this.

00:20:30.000 You're going to have to have robust GDP growth.

00:20:32.000 That's something that Donald Trump absolutely wants.

00:20:35.000 Well, this is something that the Republican Congress is going to be pursuing amidst a bevy of cuts.

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00:23:20.000 That's balanceofnature.com, promo code SHAPIRO. Elon Musk has signaled federal employees should have to work from the office.

00:23:26.000 They should have to return to the office.

00:23:28.000 That's also something that Speaker of the House Mike Johnson suggested is going to be mandatory from now on.

00:23:32.000 Here was Johnson yesterday.

00:23:34.000 One of the first things that I think you'll see is a demand from the new administration and from all of us in Congress that federal workers return to their desks and get back to the work that they're supposed to be doing.

00:23:44.000 I think that is common sense.

00:23:46.000 What you're going to see here, the overriding theme here, is a return to common sense and a return to accountability and efficiency in government.

00:23:53.000 I think that's going to serve the people well.

00:23:57.000 That is absolutely correct.

00:23:58.000 Meanwhile, Democrats, of course, are trying to fight back against this.

00:24:00.000 It's hysterical.

00:24:01.000 I mean, this should be the most bipartisan thing in the world.

00:24:03.000 Efficiency from the government that you pay for should be a bipartisan thing.

00:24:07.000 The fact that Democrats are upset about it demonstrates something about their view of government.

00:24:11.000 Democratic Representative Zoe Lofgren of California says that actually the Department of Governmental Efficiency is unconstitutional and illegal, which is weird since it totally isn't.

00:24:20.000 They're issuing recommendations and then they don't have the actual power to enforce those recommendations.

00:24:24.000 So it's the same as me issuing a recommendation or something.

00:24:27.000 Here she was.

00:24:29.000 What are your thoughts on Elon Musk and Ramaswamy deciding or trying to decide what stays and what goes in the federal government?

00:24:39.000 What's illegal?

00:24:40.000 You know, they haven't asked to meet with me.

00:24:44.000 But the impoundment of funds that have been appropriated by the Congress is unconstitutional and illegal.

00:24:53.000 There is no such department of government efficiency.

00:24:55.000 It's made up.

00:24:57.000 So good luck to them.

00:25:00.000 If there is a plan that President Trump wants to propose to the Congress, he should send it to us.

00:25:06.000 But the Constitution does not permit the President to simply avoid what the Congress has done.

00:25:13.000 That power of the purse is with the legislative branch, not the President.

00:25:18.000 Wow, it's really fun to hear Democrats suddenly standing up for the congressional power of the purse after Barack Obama declared years ago that he had a pen and he had a phone and therefore he could do anything he wanted to do.

00:25:28.000 But there is so much deadwood that needs to be cut within the federal government and restructured within the federal government.

00:25:33.000 So there's a little notice hearing yesterday from the House Oversight Committee over the census.

00:25:37.000 Okay, so the Census Bureau in 2020 utterly blew it.

00:25:40.000 The census of 2020 was an absolute mess.

00:25:43.000 I've talked about this on the show before.

00:25:44.000 The census of 2020 dramatically undercounted red states.

00:25:47.000 It dramatically overcounted blue states.

00:25:49.000 If the population count in 2020 had been done properly, Donald Trump could have won the 2024 election without winning any of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, or Michigan.

00:25:59.000 Any of them.

00:26:00.000 Because that's how many votes would have shifted in the Electoral College South to states that he definitely was going to win, like Arizona, Texas, and Florida.

00:26:07.000 The balance in the United States Congress would be much more Republican, because it turns out many people, like me and my family and my company, we all move from a blue state to a red state.

00:26:16.000 And that is the story of migration internally in the United States over the course of the last 10 years or so.

00:26:21.000 And it was done totally wrong.

00:26:23.000 It was a point made by Representative James Comer yesterday, the chair of the House Oversight Committee.

00:26:29.000 It's imperative.

00:26:31.000 That we understand what went wrong in the 2020 census and take action to mitigate the risk of those similar errors in the 2030 census.

00:26:39.000 Mitigating these risks is even more important because there are major demographic changes happening across the country as citizens of blue states flee from those high tax sanctuary jurisdictions for red states to enjoy lower taxes, a safer environment, and to exercise more freedom.

00:26:57.000 He's right about all this, and it has really significant electoral ramifications.

00:27:01.000 Meanwhile, Democrats are, of course, upset that while people are migrating down to the South, that means that Republicans are winning more seats.

00:27:08.000 Here's Representative Jasmine Crockett somehow turning this into an issue of racism. 1.00

00:27:12.000 We know that specifically Texas added four million people.

00:27:16.000 Of those four million people, do you want to take a guess at how many were Anglos?

00:27:22.000 Just a guess.

00:27:23.000 I'd say a majority.

00:27:25.000 180,000.

00:27:27.000 That's it, of 4 million.

00:27:28.000 95% of the people that were added, and we know that when it comes to minority populations, they tend to be undercounted.

00:27:36.000 So get this, we added 4 million people, they were people of color, Texas got two new seats.

00:27:44.000 So they took those black and brown and Asian bodies, and guess what? 0.98

00:27:49.000 Do you think that we got a new black, brown, or Asian seat?

00:27:53.000 Somehow, the way that they do their Republican math in the state of Texas, that amounted to two new white seats. 0.68

00:28:00.000 Guess what?

00:28:01.000 White Republican seats.

00:28:02.000 We got two new Republican seats.

00:28:04.000 Out of four million people of color.

00:28:06.000 So let me tell you, they love to use our bodies to apportion us in an inaccurate way.

00:28:15.000 That's not an inaccurate apportionment.

00:28:17.000 It turns out that Hispanics voted overwhelmingly for Donald Trump in places like Texas.

00:28:21.000 That is a very, very weird statement, but again, it always comes down to race for Democrats.

00:28:25.000 What it really is about is the census failing.

00:28:26.000 It's also true for the Secret Service.

00:28:28.000 The Secret Service dramatically failed throughout this election cycle when the current president-elect of the United States missed assassination literally through the grace of God.

00:28:37.000 God took his hand, put it on Donald Trump's head, and turned it slightly.

00:28:40.000 And if not for that, Trump's brains would have been all over the stage in Butler, Pennsylvania, in front of the entire nation.

00:28:45.000 That is a thing that nearly happened.

00:28:47.000 The Secret Service dramatically failed.

00:28:50.000 But again, accountability in so many of these government agencies is in abeyance.

00:28:55.000 Yesterday, there was a big shouting match.

00:28:57.000 In Congress, during a hearing with the Acting Secret Service Director, they got into it because the Congressperson, Pat Fallon, he was questioning the Acting Secret Service Director about the fact that they had not gone, the Secret Service, to Butler, Pennsylvania, to investigate in the immediate aftermath of the assassination attempt in Butler.

00:29:16.000 Instead, Ronald Rowe had gone to the 9-11 memorial with Donald Trump, and the suggestion by Pat Fallon is he was there to sort of appeal to both Biden and Trump, and things got a bit fraught.

00:29:27.000 Who is usually at an event like this, closest to the President of the United States, security-wise?

00:29:34.000 The sack of the detail.

00:29:37.000 Special agent in charge of the detail.

00:29:38.000 Were you the special agent in charge of the detail that day?

00:29:42.000 Actually, let me address this.

00:29:44.000 Could you please, staff, leave that one up with the circle around me.

00:29:47.000 Thank you.

00:29:48.000 So actually, Congressman, what you're not seeing is the sack of the detail off, out of the picture's view.

00:29:56.000 And that is the day where we remember the more than 3,000 people that have died on 9-11.

00:30:03.000 I actually responded to Ground Zero.

00:30:06.000 I was there going through the ashes of the World Trade Center.

00:30:10.000 I was there at Fresh Kills.

00:30:11.000 I'm not asking you that!

00:30:12.000 I was there, Congressman!

00:30:14.000 I was there to show respect for a Secret Service member that died on 9-11!

00:30:20.000 Do not invoke 9-11 for political purposes, Congressman!

00:30:25.000 Oh, I'm not!

00:30:25.000 I'm invoking this!

00:30:26.000 You are, sir!

00:30:27.000 You are out of order!

00:30:29.000 I would like to ask him a question!

00:30:31.000 You are out of order!

00:30:32.000 Don't try to bully me.

00:30:33.000 You know why you were there?

00:30:35.000 Because you wanted to be visible because you were listening for this job.

00:30:38.000 I was there to pay respect for a foreign member of this agency.

00:30:41.000 You endangered president's life.

00:30:43.000 You are out of line, Congressman.

00:30:43.000 You are out of line.

00:30:45.000 Vice president, you are out of line.

00:30:45.000 Because you put those agents out of position.

00:30:48.000 Did you have a radio with you?

00:30:50.000 Did you have a weapon?

00:30:52.000 I did, sir, and you are out of line.

00:30:56.000 Good times in Congress.

00:30:57.000 Bottom line is, a lot of these government agencies, they ain't working the way they are supposed to be working, which is precisely why Donald Trump is now trying to nominate people who are going to come in and clean out the dead wood.

00:31:06.000 That includes Pete Hegseth.

00:31:08.000 So, Hegseth's nomination is still up for grabs at this point.

00:31:11.000 It's unclear exactly how much support Hegseth has inside the United States Senate for his nomination.

00:31:18.000 There are some Republicans who are on the fence, given all of the allegations that have been made, mostly anonymously, about his nomination.

00:31:25.000 Prior personal life and supposed drinking habits and all the rest of this stuff.

00:31:29.000 Again, as I said yesterday on the show, all of that is anonymous.

00:31:32.000 All of that is being litigated in the media.

00:31:34.000 And much of it is being directed against Hegseth specifically because Hegseth knows that he has to come in and cut.

00:31:39.000 Hegseth is going to come in and he is going to take a lot of political generals and he is going to have them fired.

00:31:43.000 Hegseth is going to come in and he is going to completely redo how weapons systems are actually approved.

00:31:48.000 Hegseth is going to come in and he is going to completely...

00:31:52.000 Rejigger how recruitment is done to the United States military.

00:31:55.000 The woke is gone.

00:31:56.000 The DEI is gone.

00:31:57.000 It's going to be about making America's Department of Defense the most lethal fighting machine on planet Earth, staffed up, re-teched, all of it.

00:32:05.000 And that's a threat to a lot of people within the system because I haven't heard any substantiated allegations thus far that should be sinking his nomination.

00:32:13.000 I think that Pete will make a fantastic Secretary of Defense.

00:32:17.000 Here was Hegseth yesterday saying, listen, we're not going to try this one in the media.

00:32:21.000 I'm proud of what I fought for.

00:32:22.000 I'm not going to back down from them one bit.

00:32:24.000 I will answer all of these senators' questions.

00:32:26.000 But this will not be a process tried in the media.

00:32:29.000 I don't answer to anyone in this group.

00:32:32.000 None of you.

00:32:33.000 Not to that camera at all.

00:32:34.000 I answer to President Trump, who received 76 million votes on behalf and a mandate for change.

00:32:42.000 I answer to the 50, the 100 senators who are part of this process and those in the committee.

00:32:47.000 And I answer to my lord and savior and my wife and my family.

00:32:50.000 I'm proud to be here.

00:32:51.000 And as long as Donald Trump wants me in this fight, I'm going to be standing right here in this fight, fighting to bring our Pentagon back to what it needs to be.

00:33:02.000 Well, President Trump, for his part, put out a statement this morning on Truth Social saying, Pete Hegseth is doing very well.

00:33:06.000 His support is strong and deep, much more so than the fake news would have you believe.

00:33:09.000 He's a great student, Princeton-Harvard educated, with a military state of mind.

00:33:12.000 He will be a fantastic, high-energy Secretary of Defense, one who leads with charisma and skill.

00:33:17.000 Pete is a winner, and there is nothing that can be done to change that.

00:33:20.000 So, so far, he still has Trump's support.

00:33:23.000 Again, that seems perfectly appropriate at this point, since the allegations are unsubstantiated.

00:33:28.000 They are anonymous in nature.

00:33:29.000 And the police report that, for example, was issued about his supposed possible rape of a woman at a conference in California, that police report tended to show the woman was telling a very sketchy story, shall we say.

00:33:45.000 Again, there are some senators who are on the fence, but they seem to be leaning toward Hegseth.

00:33:48.000 That includes Senator Kevin Kramer.

00:33:50.000 Kramer, of course, is a representative from North Dakota.

00:33:53.000 Here he was saying that, you know, it's probable that he'll support him.

00:33:59.000 I'm ready to be supportive of getting him to that point.

00:34:02.000 I'm ready to get him in front of the committee.

00:34:05.000 I did warn him.

00:34:06.000 I said, you know, not everybody on the committee is as friendly as I am, which I don't think is surprising.

00:34:11.000 But I also said, there's nobody on the committee that doesn't earn our respect.

00:34:15.000 And certainly there are people like Joanie Ernst and Tammy Duckworth who earn more than all I've ever earned, given their history.

00:34:23.000 So I was very favorably impressed, quite honestly.

00:34:26.000 So I see no reason at this point to not be supportive of him.

00:34:32.000 So, that of course is exactly, I think, the appropriate response to Pete Hegseth.

00:34:37.000 I'm still very hopeful that he gets confirmed.

00:34:38.000 Alright, in just one second, we'll get to the left's continued nonsense on trans.

00:34:42.000 The radicalism of the left on this issue is not going away, not anytime soon.

00:34:45.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:35:32.000 Meanwhile, the Democrats continue to be unable to divorce themselves from the radicals within their caucus.

00:35:38.000 We talked about this a little bit earlier with regard to the murder of Brian Thompson.

00:35:42.000 The CEO of UnitedHealthcare.

00:35:43.000 But it's true with many of the radical contingents in their caucus.

00:35:46.000 The most radical contingent, ideologically, in the Democratic caucus is, of course, the contingent that suggests that boys can be girls and girls can be boys.

00:35:53.000 There's a case before the Supreme Court right now that we discussed at length yesterday discussing whether the Constitution of the United States mandates that girls be given testosterone if they have gender dysphoria.

00:36:04.000 Or whether boys should be getting estrogen if they have gender dysphoria.

00:36:07.000 Or that can be banned by states.

00:36:09.000 Which, of course, not only can it be banned by states, it should be banned by states.

00:36:14.000 But the left can't let go of this.

00:36:15.000 So, you have members of the radical left in the media who just promulgate lies.

00:36:20.000 Why?

00:36:20.000 Because it's all a power game.

00:36:21.000 If they can get you to say things that are wildly untrue, well then they've got you where they want you.

00:36:25.000 Yesterday, MSNBC's Joy Reid, in what can only be described as an Orwellian turn of logic, suggested that Tennessee banning Giving cross-sex hormones to children was somehow akin to Nazi Germany, which is weird, because if you were talking about Mengele-like experiments on young children, that would be what transgender medicine is.

00:36:46.000 Anyway, here is Joy Reid not knowing either history or biology.

00:36:51.000 Targeting trans people isn't new. 0.97

00:36:53.000 It is an age-old tradition, which Nazi Germany did with brutally violent ends in the 1930s.

00:36:59.000 While the Supreme Court refuses to do anything about weapons of war in schools, today they seemed inclined to uphold Tennessee's ban on gender-affirming care for minors.

00:37:08.000 While the decision is not expected for months, a majority of the justices parroted a string of debunked talking points, all under the guise of protecting the kids.

00:37:17.000 Just not every kid.

00:37:20.000 Ridiculous.

00:37:21.000 These people are just ridiculous.

00:37:22.000 By the way, gender-affirming care.

00:37:24.000 We're going to talk about Orwellian phrases.

00:37:26.000 So let me just ask a question.

00:37:27.000 If your genitals don't establish your gender, then why does cutting them off affirm your gender? 0.61

00:37:34.000 It's a pretty simple question.

00:37:36.000 If you've got a gender and that means that you're not a boy, you might be a girl, then why does cutting off your gender make you more of a girl?

00:37:43.000 Why?

00:37:44.000 Explain.

00:37:45.000 Use small words, please, and short sentences.

00:37:48.000 My goodness.

00:37:49.000 Anyway, CNN's Breonna Keillor did the same thing. 0.99

00:37:52.000 She was out there propagandizing for the idea that three-year-olds can know that they are trans.

00:37:57.000 Can I explain something to you?

00:37:58.000 Three-year-olds don't know.

00:38:00.000 I have four children.

00:38:02.000 One of them right now is four.

00:38:04.000 One of them is one.

00:38:05.000 They don't know things.

00:38:06.000 They're adorable and they're wonderful and they don't know things.

00:38:08.000 And if you're a parent who's allowing your three-year-old child to dictate to you what their quote-unquote gender is, it's because you are engaging in child abuse.

00:38:18.000 Here's CNN engaging in stupidity.

00:38:21.000 What kid, what girl, knows whether she's going to want to have a baby long term? 0.99

00:38:27.000 Or what testosterone will do to her uterus? 1.00

00:38:30.000 Or that she will increase her risk of heart attacks by taking these drugs? 0.93

00:38:34.000 Some of them do.

00:38:35.000 No.

00:38:36.000 No.

00:38:37.000 None of them.

00:38:38.000 No, I don't think that...

00:38:40.000 None of them do.

00:38:41.000 85%, what we know from the science, and again, it's about not putting ideology over evidence, and that's what's happening here.

00:38:49.000 85% of all kids that are able to grow through puberty who say they're gender confused, over 85% of those kids live at peace with their bodies and consistent with their sex.

00:38:59.000 In those children that are put on puberty blockers, the science tells us that you're putting them on a one-way treadmill To live as the opposite sex for the rest of their life. 1.00

00:39:11.000 That is Kristen Wagoner, president of Alliance Defending Freedom.

00:39:14.000 They do a wonderful job over there.

00:39:15.000 And that is Breonna Keillor, suggesting that three-year-olds know whether they wish to be sterilized or not.

00:39:20.000 That is how insane some members of the left are.

00:39:23.000 Annette Bening, who is the wife of Warren Beatty and who has a child who is a girl who believes that she is a boy, was outside the Supreme Court speaking and talked about what really is driving a lot of this.

00:39:34.000 And that is the absolute narcissism of the parents.

00:39:37.000 Here is Annette Bening.

00:39:40.000 I think the greatest gift of my life is to have kids and to have a transgender child has made me so much more interesting.

00:39:52.000 So much more wise.

00:39:56.000 And for the Supreme Court justices, I encourage them to talk to their kids, their grandkids, their nieces and nephews, because I'll bet if they really sit down and ask them, do you know trans kids around you?

00:40:12.000 Do you have any non-binary friends?

00:40:15.000 They're going to say yes.

00:40:17.000 And they're going to say that this is part of the beautiful rainbow of human beings everywhere.

00:40:27.000 Absolute, ridiculous, narcissistic nonsense.

00:40:29.000 By the way, my sister actually went to a theater camp when she was younger with the person who would become Stephen Beatty when this was a girl named Kat.

00:40:39.000 And, um...

00:40:41.000 She was a girl.

00:40:42.000 I mean, like, it's ridiculous.

00:40:44.000 It's just ridiculous.

00:40:45.000 But unfortunately, the left has decided that ridiculousness is the name of the game.

00:40:49.000 And if the left refuses to let go of this stuff, by the way...

00:40:52.000 Then there is an extremely good shot that they'll continue to lose elections because no one is buying into the lie that small children have the capacity to decide that they are not members of their own biological sex.

00:41:03.000 But they're going to keep pushing it, man.

00:41:04.000 I don't think they can let go of it.

00:41:05.000 I really don't.

00:41:06.000 I think it is too part and parcel of their entire philosophy.

00:41:09.000 Their philosophy is that human beings ought to be equivalent in every single way.

00:41:15.000 Unfortunately, nature and nature's God object to this.

00:41:18.000 But that's not going to stop them from continuing to push the lie, because you have to assume that in order to get to the Marxist, redistributionist point of view.

00:41:27.000 Ibram X. Kendi, racialist fool, said it best. 0.93

00:41:30.000 He suggested that if there is any disparity in life, it must be due to discrimination.

00:41:35.000 He said, any disparity.

00:41:37.000 Now, for anybody who has a shred of logic or common sense, you understand that that's not true.

00:41:41.000 That there are tons of disparities in life, and many of them are natural.

00:41:45.000 I, for example, cannot defeat LeBron James at basketball.

00:41:47.000 That is a natural disparity.

00:41:49.000 He, in turn, cannot defeat me in a spelling bee.

00:41:52.000 Again, a natural disparity.

00:41:54.000 Like, not everybody's the same smart.

00:41:55.000 Not everybody's the same athletic.

00:41:56.000 Not everybody's the same well-read.

00:41:57.000 All of that is true.

00:41:59.000 But, for the left, the entire predicate of redistributionism is that that inherent disparity is mean and nasty by the universe, and now we are going to correct for all of it.

00:42:09.000 And most people understand that's stupid, so instead they have to make the argument that all human beings are innately exactly the same.

00:42:14.000 Male, female, male. 0.54

00:42:16.000 Young, old, smart, stupid, all exactly the same.

00:42:19.000 Good luck with that argument.

00:42:20.000 Most Americans don't buy it, nor should most Americans buy it.

00:42:23.000 Again, they're not going to stop pushing it.

00:42:24.000 Here's sex education consultant Nora Gelperin talking about how kids as young as three can know that they are transgender.

00:42:34.000 So if you ask any child at the ages of three, four, or five, what gender are they, they will clearly be able to tell you.

00:42:41.000 They have been inundated with messages about gender.

00:42:43.000 If you think about the Halloween costumes, if you think about the careers that kids are exposed to, if you think about the cartoon characters in their TV shows, the books that they're reading, there are messages about gender and gender role stereotypes and gender identity from when they are very, very young.

00:42:58.000 And kids are able to identify what their gender is at a very early age.

00:43:05.000 These people.

00:43:05.000 My goodness.

00:43:06.000 You know what?

00:43:07.000 You know what?

00:43:07.000 Keep pushing it.

00:43:08.000 Keep pushing it.

00:43:08.000 Let's see how it goes for you.

00:43:09.000 It's a bold strategy, Cotton.

00:43:11.000 We'll see how it works for you electorally.

00:43:13.000 Pretty soon, it's not going to be legislation like Tennessee's in 25 states.

00:43:17.000 It'll be legislation like Tennessee's in 45 states.

00:43:19.000 The only exception is going to be places that are insane, like Massachusetts, New York, and California.

00:43:24.000 Alrighty, joining us on the line is Jonathan Pajot, French-Canadian liturgical artist, writer, and public speaker on religious philosophy, symbolism, and Orthodox Christianity.

00:43:32.000 You can see all of his commentary on his YouTube channel, The Symbolic World.

00:43:35.000 And of course, you can see Jonathan in our brand new series here at Daily Wire, plus The Gospels with Jordan B. Peterson, where Jordan brought together a bunch of great minds to talk about the New Testament.

00:43:43.000 Jonathan, great to talk to you.

00:43:45.000 It's good to see you, Ben.

00:43:47.000 So let's talk about this brand new series.

00:43:49.000 Take me through kind of what it was like behind the scenes, because obviously you have a bunch of different perspectives on the New Testament.

00:43:54.000 How do you discuss that?

00:43:55.000 You're a deeply religious person, obviously.

00:43:57.000 So how do you discuss that from a variety of viewpoints and keep the conversation flowing with all those viewpoints?

00:44:03.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:44:04.000 We were very nervous.

00:44:05.000 I was nervous about it, for sure.

00:44:06.000 I mean, talking about Exodus is one thing, but talking about the Gospels, there are literally wars based on interpretation of the Gospel.

00:44:13.000 But what I found is, I think Jordan, the way he opens up the discussion and his deep respect for the people around made the conversation actually quite amazing.

00:44:23.000 We really did come into a groove, and it was crazy, the difference between the people that were there.

00:44:29.000 But the capacity we had to respect each other and to enter the conversation, just for that, for the capacity to model a conversation, I think it's worth the people checking it out, because it was quite impressive.

00:44:41.000 So, you know, Jordan decides to take on the Gospels.

00:44:44.000 That obviously is a huge topic.

00:44:45.000 What do you think are sort of the, what were your favorite episodes of this?

00:44:48.000 What are your favorite themes to discuss in the Gospels with everybody?

00:44:51.000 Well, I think the idea of looking at the Gospels in a way that is almost with fresh eyes, I think that's what everybody kind of came to the table in that way.

00:45:00.000 So basically, the idea of sitting even around a table and reading the entire Gospels within a week is something that I don't think I've ever done in my life.

00:45:09.000 And so what it did is it cast a different light on the entire story and opened it up in ways that were surprising.

00:45:15.000 And I think that's what I love the most about it, is what How even people who have read it over and over for 20 years, 30 years, we still found some jewels of surprise and connection maybe we hadn't seen before.

00:45:28.000 And that was really enlightening.

00:45:32.000 One of the things that Jordan does when he examines biblical texts is he sort of puts aside many of the questions that tend to come up in seminars like this where people go into the historicity or people tend to go into the archaeology.

00:45:43.000 And instead, he really focuses on the meaning of the actual text, which I think is a wonderful way to go about looking at these things because the truth is that while many people who are believers are very interested in the historical nature of the text, the truth is that for most people who are first engaging with the text – It's the meaning of it that they actually care about because the truth is that in our lives, as you've talked about in terms of symbolism, the way we live our lives is through a prism of meaning, not through a prism of historicity per se.

00:46:09.000 And so this isn't making any claims here.

00:46:11.000 I'm not making any claims about historicity, but I think that it's the meaning centrality of this that actually makes it different.

00:46:18.000 I think you're absolutely right.

00:46:20.000 Because even if we ask the question of historicity, the reason why we ask it is because it's something that it's important.

00:46:26.000 And it's the importance of the text, the stories that are brought about, which are more important than, let's say, the literal historical details of what happened in the first century.

00:46:34.000 Not that that's completely uninteresting, but dealing with it as a story that presents itself to us and that people have cared about now for 2000 years, that's really the way to go.

00:46:44.000 And that's why, in some ways, You know, looking at it as a story, first of all, is why it was so easy to have the conversation because even someone like Greg Hurwitz, you know, who's secular Jewish, could enter into it as a story and talk about what he's seeing there in the narrative.

00:47:01.000 So that's what made it very, very good.

00:47:05.000 So, you know, a couple of episodes are already available.

00:47:08.000 It's a 10-part series.

00:47:09.000 A couple of episodes are already available over at Daily Wire+.

00:47:11.000 What was your favorite episode to film?

00:47:14.000 It's hard to know because it's all a blur in the sense that we sat there for four hours a day.

00:47:19.000 Can you imagine?

00:47:20.000 For like two hours in the morning, each other in the afternoon.

00:47:22.000 I think that for sure as it went forward and we kind of entered into this groove, I think that around towards the end, it was the time where I liked it the most because we had all kind of taken, we understood each other's perspective and we were in this almost like Conversation, dance.

00:47:39.000 And that's when it's almost like this flowing experience of discussing something that important.

00:47:44.000 I think that that's the thing that I get the most out of the experience that I remember the most.

00:47:51.000 So did you do any research for this?

00:47:53.000 Or did you just kind of walk in with an open mind and sort of your set of knowledge?

00:47:57.000 I mean, obviously, you've studied these texts for a very, very long time.

00:47:59.000 So it's not as though you have to sit there, you know, with Wikipedia or something.

00:48:02.000 But did you sort of just come in sort of and then tabula rasa, everybody just started discussing?

00:48:07.000 I think that most of us did.

00:48:08.000 I definitely did reread the gospel before we started.

00:48:11.000 And one of the things I did also is because we had just come out of the Exodus seminar, I spent quite a bit of time trying to see how the story in the gospel connects to the Exodus narrative in order to help people kind of bridge into the gospels.

00:48:24.000 So that's the work that I did saying like, okay, what's the relationship between, let's say, the massacre of the innocents in the story of Jesus and, you know, the Pharaoh killing the Israelite babies in What's the connection between those stories?

00:48:40.000 There are many parallels between the two stories, and I tried to bring that forward in order to help people connect it together.

00:48:50.000 Well, again, the series is well worth the watch.

00:48:52.000 The Gospel is available over at Daily Wire Plus right now.

00:48:55.000 Jonathan Paggio is a key part of that, as he is with a lot of the series that Jordan does, ranging from the Western Civilization series that we did to the Exodus series.

00:49:04.000 Jonathan, really appreciate the time.

00:49:05.000 It's worth checking out the series and check out his YouTube channel, The Symbolic World, as well.

00:49:09.000 Jonathan, appreciate it.

00:49:10.000 Thank you so much.

00:49:11.000 And thanks to Daily Wire for taking this risk.

00:49:13.000 It's a huge risk to do something like that, and it's really appreciated.

00:49:17.000 Alrighty, guys.

00:49:18.000 Coming up, we'll get to the chaos in Syria. 0.58

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