The Ben Shapiro Show - The Fact-Checkers Are Full of S#!t | Ep. 1188

00:00:00.000 Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez was not in the main Capitol building during the January 6th riots, but her story is still the one leading the news.

00:00:06.000 Republican House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy slams Marjorie Taylor Greene, but will not remove her committee assignments.

00:00:11.000 And Liz Cheney passes a test within the Republican caucus with flying colors.

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00:01:37.000 Alrighty, so the big story of the evening last night and of the morning this morning is this whole blow up over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's story with regard to the January 6th riot.

00:01:49.000 We're gonna break this down in all of its aspects, because some of what she's saying is true.

00:01:53.000 Much of what the media is saying is not true.

00:01:55.000 And this really goes to how our fact-checking industry works.

00:01:58.000 Our fact-checking industry, here in the information dissemination space, is extraordinarily corrupt.

00:02:04.000 Extraordinarily corrupt.

00:02:05.000 And today is like a classic story of how our fact-checkers get it wrong, and they get it wrong deliberately.

00:02:11.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:02:12.000 Okay, so let's begin at the beginning.

00:02:13.000 January 6th, riots happen.

00:02:16.000 They're awful, they're evil, they're acts of criminality.

00:02:18.000 Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, this week, she put out a 90-minute Instagram video in which she explained her harrowing experiences, and it would not be difficult to conclude if you did not know the geography of the area that she was in the Capitol building itself.

00:02:31.000 Now, let's bring up a quick map, okay?

00:02:33.000 Because Capitol Hill actually is a bunch of places, right?

00:02:37.000 Capitol Hill is not just the Capitol Building.

00:02:39.000 Capitol Hill is a bunch of different places.

00:02:41.000 So, for example, the Capitol Hill, like the actual Capitol Building, not all congressional offices are actually located inside the Capitol Building.

00:02:51.000 Some of the Congressional offices are located in what's called the Longworth Building.

00:02:55.000 Another set of Congressional offices are located in the Cannon Building.

00:02:59.000 Alexander Ocasio-Cortez's offices are located in the Cannon Building.

00:03:02.000 In this map, you can see the Cannon House Office Building that is located all the way down First Street.

00:03:07.000 And across Independence Avenue.

00:03:08.000 It's a little bit of a walk.

00:03:09.000 It's about 0.3 miles.

00:03:11.000 It's not like right next door, but it's also not super duper far away.

00:03:14.000 There are tunnels that connect the U.S.

00:03:16.000 Capitol Building to the Cannon House Office Building.

00:03:18.000 There's also the Longworth House Office Building, and that houses a bunch of different congressional offices.

00:03:24.000 There's also the Rayburn House Office Building.

00:03:26.000 All of these are located along Independence Avenue.

00:03:28.000 They are not part of the Capitol Building.

00:03:30.000 They're part of what's called the Capitol Complex, meaning that it includes everything In the immediate area that is connected via tunnels.

00:03:39.000 I've taken those tunnels.

00:03:39.000 Okay, so.

00:03:40.000 They exist.

00:03:42.000 On the day of January 6th, Cannon House Office Building was not breached.

00:03:46.000 Okay, the rioters did not breach Cannon House Office Building.

00:03:48.000 They did not breach the Longworth House Office Building.

00:03:49.000 They did not breach the Rayburn House Office Building.

00:03:51.000 They breached the Capitol Building itself.

00:03:52.000 Okay, so if you watched AOC's livestream, she never says that she's in the Capitol Building.

00:03:58.000 So let's be clear about this.

00:03:59.000 She didn't lie and say that she was in the Capitol Building.

00:04:01.000 Some people are saying that she lied.

00:04:02.000 She didn't.

00:04:03.000 What she says is that she felt like she was in imminent fear of her life.

00:04:08.000 Hey, and listen, you are entitled to your feelings.

00:04:10.000 It doesn't mean that your feelings are entirely justified, as we will see when you watch Katie Porter, who is in literally the same office because as he ran to her office, they seemed to have very different attitudes about what was going down that day.

00:04:20.000 Here was Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez describing her experiences on the day of January 6th.

00:04:24.000 And so I hide behind my door like this.

00:04:30.000 Like, I'm here, and the bathroom door starts going like this.

00:04:35.000 Like, the bathroom door's behind me.

00:04:37.000 Or, rather, in front of me.

00:04:38.000 And I'm like this, and the door hinges right here.

00:04:40.000 And I just hear, WHERE IS SHE?

00:04:43.000 WHERE IS SHE?

00:04:45.000 And, um, this was the moment where I thought everything was over.

00:04:56.000 Okay, and then she continued, and it turns out that the person who was banging on her door was actually a Capitol Police officer.

00:05:01.000 Now, we know from the day of that Capitol Police officers were, in fact, getting people to leave the Cannon House building and move to safer locations.

00:05:08.000 But Ocasio-Cortez, what she said, and she'll continue on in that video, she said that after the Capitol Hill police officer came into the office, she said, quote, things weren't adding up.

00:05:16.000 Like, she added, there was no partner there and no one was yelling.

00:05:18.000 He wasn't yelling like, this is Capitol Police.

00:05:20.000 He was looking at me and all this anger and hostility.

00:05:23.000 She said, did he not say he was Capitol Police on purpose?

00:05:25.000 Was he trying to actually put us in a vulnerable situation?

00:05:28.000 All these crazy thoughts go through your mind.

00:05:30.000 Are some offices safer than others because they have white-sounding names or male-sounding names?

00:05:34.000 Okay, so this is the way that she tells the story. 0.77

00:05:37.000 Okay, now, she heads on over to Katie Porter's office, which is right next door. 1.00

00:05:42.000 So, here is Katie Porter on MSNBC describing the exact same set of circumstances, except from her perspective.

00:05:49.000 First, she saw me and we waved.

00:05:52.000 I went into my office and a couple seconds later she knocked and she said, you know, could we come in?

00:05:58.000 And I said, of course.

00:06:00.000 And she began to deal.

00:06:02.000 Her staffer was trying to describe what had happened.

00:06:05.000 And Alex is really usually like unfailingly polite and very personable and she wasn't even really talking to me.

00:06:13.000 She was opening up doors and I was like, can I help you?

00:06:17.000 Like, what are you looking for?

00:06:19.000 And she said, I'm looking for where I'm going to hide.

00:06:22.000 Okay, so here's the thing.

00:06:24.000 Katie Porter's reaction when Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez bursts in is not, okay, let's get in here, let's barrier up all the doors. 1.00

00:06:30.000 They're out there, they're coming.

00:06:31.000 It's like, what's going on now?

00:06:34.000 Why are you doing this?

00:06:35.000 Okay, so is Katie Porter reacting inappropriately? 1.00

00:06:37.000 I don't think so.

00:06:38.000 In fact, AOC describes how she walks in, I believe, and Katie Porter's sipping coffee.

00:06:42.000 Right.

00:06:43.000 And so and then Katie Porter is being told by AOC, I'm looking for a place to hide.

00:06:47.000 And AOC is saying, I'm afraid I'm going to die today.

00:06:49.000 I always wanted to be a mother.

00:06:50.000 And then apparently AOC didn't have sneakers.

00:06:53.000 She was wearing high heels. 0.91

00:06:54.000 And so she said to Katie Porter, do you have any sneakers?

00:06:56.000 And Katie Porter went to one of her staffers and had her give her her sneakers, which like imagine you're that staffer. 1.00

00:07:02.000 Like if you actually think that the danger is that grave outside and it's like, OK, you know, staffer.

00:07:06.000 I know that you're wearing sneakers right now, but let's be real about this.

00:07:09.000 AOC has a lot of Instagram fans, and you are a no-name staffer in Katie Porter's office.

00:07:13.000 I'm gonna need you to give those sneakers to Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, because let's be real here, she has huge Twitter following. 1.00

00:07:21.000 I mean, the woman has an enormous media presence, and you, you anonymous staffer, you just have sneakers. 1.00

00:07:27.000 So you know what?

00:07:28.000 I'm gonna need you to turn over those sneakers.

00:07:30.000 In any case, What AOC says is not actually lying, right?

00:07:36.000 So I've said this already.

00:07:37.000 Her emotional response may not be well calibrated.

00:07:41.000 I mean, that's possible.

00:07:42.000 Or maybe it's really well calibrated and maybe she's just, maybe that's how she responds emotionally.

00:07:46.000 People respond emotionally in crisis circumstances differently.

00:07:49.000 Okay, to give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

00:07:51.000 Some people react like Katie Porter does and they sit there and they're like, I don't even know, what?

00:07:55.000 And some people react like AOC and have a heightened sense of panic.

00:07:59.000 Fair.

00:07:59.000 Okay, that's, okay.

00:08:01.000 You're allowed to do that, for sure.

00:08:03.000 Hey, Nancy Mays, who is two doors down, the representative, she said AOC made clear she didn't know who was at her door. 0.99

00:08:09.000 Breathless attempts by the media to fan fictitious news flames are dangerous.

00:08:12.000 She said, my office is two doors down.

00:08:13.000 Insurrectionists never stormed our hallway.

00:08:15.000 Egregious doesn't even begin to cover it.

00:08:17.000 Is there nothing the MSM won't politicize?

00:08:19.000 Because here's the way that Newsweek covered what AOC said.

00:08:23.000 Here's Newsweek.

00:08:24.000 So the media immediately spin up AOC's story.

00:08:26.000 She didn't lie, again.

00:08:26.000 her office, forcing her to take refuge inside her bathroom after her legislative director, Geraldo Bonilla Chavez, told her to hide, hide, run and hide.

00:08:34.000 As members of the mob banged against the door, Ocasio-Cortez believed this was the moment where I thought everything was over.

00:08:38.000 OK, so the media immediately spin up AOC story. 0.96

00:08:41.000 She didn't lie again.

00:08:42.000 AOC's original statement may be an maybe a in out of out of proportion, emotional response to the events that were actually happening immediately surrounding her.

00:08:53.000 It doesn't make it a lie.

00:08:53.000 That's not a lie, right?

00:08:54.000 The media immediately began spinning this up.

00:08:56.000 The media immediately began spinning this into, Alexander Ocasio-Cortez was in her office, the rioters were right outside her office, they're trying to bang down the doors.

00:09:03.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:09:04.000 Why was Alexander Ocasio-Cortez's story leading the news for several days here?

00:09:10.000 And there were several Washington Post editorials about how brave she was and how wondrous she was.

00:09:15.000 Why was she leading the news?

00:09:16.000 Of all the people who had relevant stories to tell on January 6th, she is like somewhere near the bottom of the list.

00:09:22.000 Because again, she was not in the Capitol building itself.

00:09:24.000 There were legislators who were in the Capitol building itself.

00:09:27.000 If you were looking for personal harrowing experiences, presumably you would start with them.

00:09:30.000 Just to be completely objective and fair, you would start with the people who are in the most immediate physical danger, and then you would move on down the list, right?

00:09:36.000 But that's not the way that the media treated this.

00:09:38.000 And the media treated this this way because Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is willing to say completely unhinged things Not about her own personal experiences per se, but she's willing to say unhinged things about other people. 0.64

00:09:48.000 Right?

00:09:48.000 So she will just throw out implications like Ted Cruz wanted to murder me.

00:09:52.000 Or like Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley are just like the person who sexually assaulted me. 0.99

00:09:56.000 And the media lapped this crap up. 0.99

00:09:57.000 The media want to make that the number one story. 0.99

00:09:59.000 They love the implication.

00:10:01.000 Right, so they don't fact check where she was at the time.

00:10:04.000 That's not important.

00:10:05.000 What is important to the media is the stuff that is not fact checkable, meaning her implication, which is that all Republicans are incipient murderers who wanted her personally killed and or are like rapists who want their victims to just forgive and forget.

00:10:18.000 That's the part that the media loves.

00:10:19.000 That's why the media spun it up.

00:10:21.000 If Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who just described her circumstance and said, listen, I was in the Cannon House office building.

00:10:26.000 It's located about 0.3 miles away.

00:10:28.000 It's like a six minute walk.

00:10:29.000 There's some Capitol tunnels, but those were protected by cops.

00:10:32.000 Building wasn't breached at any point, but I was in fear because I know that I'm really famous and I know a lot of people send me death threats and it freaks me out.

00:10:38.000 And so when that happened, I went and I hid in Katie Porter's office and listen, I was scared.

00:10:42.000 Do you think that would have made the same headlines?

00:10:43.000 Of course it wouldn't have made the same headlines.

00:10:45.000 The reason it became a headline is because she said she was a sexual assault survivor and therefore the people who were not on her political side of the aisle that she dislikes are just like the person who sexually assaulted her.

00:10:58.000 That's why it made headlines.

00:10:59.000 That's why you got the bravery of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez routine from the media. 0.81

00:11:04.000 Not because of the actual circumstances that surrounded her.

00:11:04.000 That's the reason.

00:11:08.000 And this is why you have a piece from thelily.com saying, in Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, these survivors found a voice.

00:11:14.000 I felt with her the deeply vulnerable pain of telling someone.

00:11:18.000 Right, this was also linked by the Washington Post.

00:11:21.000 Ocasio-Cortez's explicit language around So it was all the ancillary stuff that AOC said, which really, truly was, I believe, immoral.

00:11:31.000 I don't think that comparing fellow congresspeople to rapists is a useful enterprise.

00:11:36.000 I don't think suggesting that Ted Cruz wants you dead is a useful enterprise.

00:11:40.000 But the media love that kind of stuff, right?

00:11:42.000 That is the reason why her account became the account.

00:11:46.000 Okay, so.

00:11:47.000 Over the course of last night, a bunch of people pointed out, by the way, she wasn't in the Capitol building.

00:11:53.000 And some people...

00:11:56.000 Went further and said, you know, and that means that she was exaggerating what she was saying.

00:12:01.000 She was exaggerating her experiences again.

00:12:04.000 She could have legitimately felt what she was feeling.

00:12:06.000 Doesn't mean the feeling was totally justified, but she could certainly have felt that.

00:12:10.000 I'm not doubting the veracity of her feelings at the time.

00:12:12.000 And her account is accurate so far as I can tell.

00:12:16.000 She just, it's somewhat misleading in that if you are reacting as though there are Capitol rioters directly at your door and the closest they are is three-tenths of a mile away and you are protected by several layers of police, It's not quite the same thing, right?

00:12:27.000 And you can see why people would draw that conclusion.

00:12:29.000 Like the entire media drew the conclusion that she was actually in the middle of sort of the most dangerous area here from her description.

00:12:36.000 So, here's what happens.

00:12:38.000 This starts to trend, right?

00:12:40.000 On Twitter, the hashtag Alexander Ocasio-Smollett starts to trend, as in Jussie Smollett, right?

00:12:45.000 Jussie Smollett, the actor who described how he was lynched with the noose in the streets of Chicago by a couple of MAGA hat guys, and it turns out to be complete nonsense.

00:12:54.000 Now, that's an exaggeration in and of itself, right?

00:12:56.000 I mean, she's not Jussie Smollett.

00:12:58.000 She didn't claim that the rioters had bussed in there, right?

00:13:01.000 She describes her feelings throughout the ordeal, and you can think that those feelings are unjustified?

00:13:06.000 I hear that.

00:13:07.000 But her feelings are her feelings.

00:13:08.000 It doesn't mean she lied.

00:13:09.000 I keep saying that over and over because I want to be very clear about what is true and what is false, unlike the fact checkers we're going to get to in just one second.

00:13:15.000 OK, so.

00:13:16.000 Here is where things go wrong for Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.

00:13:20.000 We're gonna get to where things actually go wrong in terms of where she moves not just beyond the pale with regard to her accusations against fellow members of Congress and throwing out implications like police officers trying to get her killed or that people are going office by office looking for non-white, non-male names in order to attack and all.

00:13:38.000 We'll get to where she actually started to get into a very dicey territory last night via how she approached this social media problem in just one second. 0.96

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00:14:51.000 Okay, so here is where Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez starts to really lose it. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Okay, so she sends out an email from Team AOC to her entire email list.

00:15:02.000 And her email asks her constituents to contact anybody in the fact-checking world or in the social media world and try to get them to censor and remove tweets that suggest that she was not in the Capitol building.

00:15:15.000 I'm serious.

00:15:16.000 Here is what she wrote.

00:15:17.000 As we speak, right-wing operatives with millions of followers on social media are spreading flat out lies and misleading information about Alexandria.

00:15:23.000 But with your help, we can force Twitter and Facebook to take action and enforce their own rules.

00:15:29.000 What's so frustrating about these attacks is that once the truth comes out, so few people get to hear it.

00:15:32.000 Hundreds of thousands, or potentially millions of people have already seen or shared the misleading tweets or fake news articles.

00:15:37.000 Okay, so first of all, the irony of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, a person who has said on national television that actual facts matter less than moral truth.

00:15:46.000 There is some irony here. 0.93

00:15:48.000 This is a person who has spent the entirety of the last several weeks claiming without evidence that fellow congresspeople, so far as I'm aware, she's provided no evidence of this, that fellow congresspeople were in on the riots, that Ted Cruz wanted her murdered, attempted to have her murdered, that Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are like her own sexual assaulters.

00:16:07.000 And here she is being like, oh, I can't believe people are putting out misleading information.

00:16:10.000 That's really upsetting.

00:16:11.000 But here's where it gets dicey.

00:16:13.000 What is the misleading information?

00:16:15.000 Hey, apparently the misleading information is that she was not in the Capitol building.

00:16:20.000 So she keeps insisting that she was in the Capitol building because in fact, she was part of the Capitol complex, right?

00:16:25.000 This is what she tweets out.

00:16:26.000 She tweets out, well, you know, guys, I mean, it's connected by tunnels.

00:16:30.000 She says, this is the latest manipulative take on the right.

00:16:32.000 They're manipulating the fact that most people don't know the layout of the Capitol complex.

00:16:36.000 We were all on the Capitol complex.

00:16:37.000 The attack wasn't just on the dome.

00:16:39.000 The bombs Trump supporters planted surrounded our offices too.

00:16:42.000 Okay, so a couple of things there.

00:16:43.000 One, we have yet to find the evidence of who actually planted the bombs.

00:16:47.000 She can make an assumption it was Trump supporters, but that actually is not publicly available information.

00:16:51.000 So that in and of itself is misleading information.

00:16:54.000 Okay, when she says that we were part of the Capitol Complex and therefore they were trying to attack the Capitol Complex in general, Nancy Mace was on the same floor.

00:17:02.000 She says the rioters did not breach the building.

00:17:04.000 Okay, reporters at the time said the rioters did not breach that building.

00:17:08.000 Again, this is not to say that she couldn't have been justified or at least she couldn't have felt legitimately and authentically in danger.

00:17:15.000 Again, people react to crisis in different ways.

00:17:18.000 But what she is now saying, which is that, oh yeah, you know, people are saying I wasn't in the Capitol building.

00:17:22.000 How dare they?

00:17:24.000 Well, I mean, were you or were you not in the Capitol building?

00:17:27.000 It's called the Capitol building.

00:17:29.000 It is not called the Capitol complex.

00:17:30.000 When people say the rioters stormed the Capitol building, they mean the Capitol building.

00:17:37.000 Like a building.

00:17:38.000 Because They don't mean the complex, right?

00:17:41.000 I mean, so she is now, now she's misleading.

00:17:43.000 So she puts out this email and she says, we need your help.

00:17:47.000 Here's what you can do to help us combat this campaign of disinformation and others in the future.

00:17:51.000 Scan your social media to find posts with this misleading information, especially those using the trending hashtag.

00:17:57.000 Mm-hmm.

00:17:58.000 It's funny how Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's, you know, her emergency mode kicks in when she's trending for the wrong reasons on Twitter. 0.99

00:18:05.000 As somebody who trends on Twitter frequently, like once every three weeks, once every month, I can tell you that the best thing you can do with a Twitter trend is basically ignore it.

00:18:13.000 That's pretty much the best thing you can do with a Twitter trend, but she is, instead, she says she wants all of her followers to basically spam Facebook and Twitter and get a bunch of stuff taken down, which is not a great look for a sitting congressperson. 0.93

00:18:24.000 She says, don't tweet any hashtags yourself because we don't want them to spread further.

00:18:27.000 Identify any posts that are threatening or harassing and use the built-in report features to flag them for the moderators.

00:18:33.000 Facebook and Twitter both have built-in tools for reporting posts and tweets that break the rules.

00:18:38.000 The sad thing is that a lot of damage has already been done.

00:18:40.000 People have already been misled and radicalized.

00:18:41.000 They believe the lies to a point where their hatred could someday boil over into violence.

00:18:44.000 Ah, so now she's going to say that if you point out that she was not in the Capitol building itself, that you are one of the kinds of people who distributes information that ends with the January 6th riot.

00:18:54.000 I mean, that's pretty manipulative stuff right there.

00:18:59.000 She says, we can keep calling out Photoshop tweets, fake news articles, misleading posts when we see them.

00:19:03.000 Okay, now here is where the fact checkers get involved.

00:19:05.000 Okay, so it used to be that fact checkers checked facts, right?

00:19:10.000 That was the thing that they used to check, was the facts, not implications.

00:19:14.000 They didn't fact check.

00:19:15.000 Emotional suggestions.

00:19:17.000 They didn't check.

00:19:18.000 Fact-check.

00:19:19.000 Subjective takes.

00:19:20.000 What they used to fact-check was, you know, facts.

00:19:24.000 And there are many things that could be fact-checked here.

00:19:26.000 So, for example, you could fact-check whether she was actually in the Capitol building at the time.

00:19:30.000 Or you could fact-check Whether she lied that she was in the Capitol building at the time.

00:19:33.000 The answer on the first issue is not in the Capitol building at the time.

00:19:36.000 And two, I don't see evidence that she lied about being in the Capitol building at the time.

00:19:39.000 Both of those things can simultaneously be true.

00:19:41.000 But that is not what the fact-checkers do.

00:19:43.000 Because the fact-checkers are just Democratic operatives. 1.00

00:19:45.000 They are just completely full of crap. 0.99

00:19:47.000 So here is how the fact-checkers do their business. 0.99

00:19:49.000 This is how they have decided that they are going to pervert the system.

00:19:51.000 And understand, it matters what the fact-checkers do.

00:19:53.000 Because when we are talking about how you receive information, You will see that sites like Facebook and like Twitter, they use left-wing fact-checkers in order to knock down right-wing sites, knock down conservative sites.

00:20:07.000 And those left-wing fact-checkers are taken as though they are objective metrics for the news.

00:20:12.000 Facebook was using, during the month after the election, they were using what they called their trusted news metric.

00:20:19.000 It's like this quality news metric.

00:20:20.000 And the way that they measured that is they went to basically a bunch of left-wing fact-checkers, and then they would downgrade any news source that got fact-checked a lot.

00:20:27.000 So naturally, CNN never got fact-checked, but Daily Wire got fact-checked a lot.

00:20:30.000 Because it turns out that the people at places like Snopes and PolitiFact hate the Daily Wire but love CNN.

00:20:35.000 Because it's all subjective.

00:20:37.000 And so here is the fact check from Snopes.

00:20:38.000 It's a perfect example of how the fact checkers are just, they just lie by implication and sometimes openly.

00:20:44.000 It's pretty amazing.

00:20:45.000 Okay, so Snopes puts out a piece on this whole silly debacle, right?

00:20:50.000 Here's what they say.

00:20:51.000 Did AOC exaggerate the danger she was in during the Capitol riot?

00:20:55.000 Okay, so first of all, you can't fact check that.

00:20:58.000 There's literally no way to fact check that particular question because that is a matter of subjective opinion.

00:21:03.000 Did AOC exaggerate the danger she was in during the Capitol riot?

00:21:06.000 So you could say, no, she didn't exaggerate the danger that she was in during the Capitol riot because the Capitol rioters were violent.

00:21:11.000 They were looking for Congress people.

00:21:12.000 Theoretically, they could have gotten in and they could have hurt her.

00:21:15.000 Or he could say, no, she absolutely exaggerated the danger she was in considering no one breached that building.

00:21:19.000 There were other Congress people on that level.

00:21:21.000 None of them are acting like AOC did.

00:21:23.000 So maybe she did exaggerate.

00:21:25.000 So there's really no way to fact check that, right?

00:21:26.000 That is a subjective matter of opinion.

00:21:28.000 Whether Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez exaggerated the physical danger that she was in in the account that she told of what was going on.

00:21:36.000 Now, again, there are fact-checkable things that Snopes could do here.

00:21:38.000 They don't do that.

00:21:39.000 They frame the question as a fact-check about emotional response.

00:21:43.000 You can't fact-check emotional response, which is why I have said over and over and over that AOC did not lie.

00:21:49.000 That is a fact-check.

00:21:50.000 AOC did not lie.

00:21:52.000 You may think that her emotional response is off-kilter.

00:21:54.000 That is not.

00:21:55.000 That does not mean that she lied, right?

00:21:56.000 There are ways to fact-check that are objective.

00:21:58.000 That's not what the fact-checkers are doing.

00:22:01.000 Snopes says AOC was targeted with another round of bad faith smears after giving an emotional firsthand account of her experiences during the Capitol riot.

00:22:09.000 Okay, so let's get to the actual fact check from Snopes because it is so indicative of how exactly Snopes and these fact checkers operate.

00:22:17.000 So here's what they do.

00:22:18.000 They say claim, this is Snopes fact check of the whole AOC silliness.

00:22:22.000 Claim, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez exaggerated the danger she was in during the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot and that she quote, wasn't even in the Capitol building when the rioting occurred. 0.99

00:22:32.000 Okay, well, those are two claims that you are now fact checking and you are lumping them together so that you can pretend that a factual claim is a non-factual claim, right?

00:22:41.000 There's two claims that Snopes is now fact-checking.

00:22:44.000 One is that she exaggerated the danger.

00:22:45.000 That is not fact-checkable.

00:22:46.000 And the other is a fact-checkable statement that she was not in the Capitol building when the rioting occurred.

00:22:50.000 It is true.

00:22:51.000 She was not in the Capitol building when the rioting occurred.

00:22:54.000 How do I know this?

00:22:55.000 Because Snopes acknowledges this.

00:22:57.000 Here is what Snopes says.

00:22:58.000 First of all, they say it's mostly false.

00:23:01.000 Okay, the claim is, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez exaggerated the danger she was in during the January 6th, 2021 Capitol riot, and that she wasn't even in the Capitol building when the rioting occurred.

00:23:09.000 Rating, mostly false.

00:23:11.000 Mostly false.

00:23:12.000 Okay, here's what they say.

00:23:13.000 What's true?

00:23:14.000 Ocasio-Cortez wasn't in the main Capitol building where the House and Senate chambers are located.

00:23:19.000 Wait, what now?

00:23:21.000 So, literally you are fact-checking the question of whether she was in the Capitol building, and then you say it's true she wasn't in the Capitol building, but you rate the claim mostly false.

00:23:30.000 Here's the best part of this.

00:23:31.000 I love this.

00:23:32.000 So they fact-checked one of the tweets that came from Daily Wire, because of course the idea here is to keep dinging and downgrading conservative sources, even when they are telling the objective truth.

00:23:42.000 So here is the Daily Wire tweet that they called misleading.

00:23:45.000 By the way, it's misleading because a conservative site put it out.

00:23:45.000 Why is it misleading?

00:23:48.000 Here's what the Daily Wire tweeted.

00:23:49.000 You ready for this?

00:23:50.000 This is what they are fact-checking as misleading.

00:23:52.000 Quote, report, AOC was not inside Capitol building during breach on January 6th.

00:23:58.000 That's the entirety of the tweet.

00:23:59.000 to tweet, report AOC was not inside Capitol building during breach on January 6th.

00:24:04.000 Now let me read to you again from what Snopes says is true.

00:24:07.000 Quote, Ocasio-Cortez wasn't in the main Capitol building. 0.98

00:24:11.000 Why it's almost as though it's true when you say it, but misleading when I say it, so you're just foolish. 0.79

00:24:18.000 That's the impression I'm getting from you Snopes. 0.97

00:24:23.000 Like I'm getting the impression that you fact checkers very often are more interested in fact-checking implications than fact-checking facts because you want to come up with a preordained conclusion, and that is that anyone who criticizes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn't just wrong, they are a liar.

00:24:37.000 They are saying untruths.

00:24:41.000 No, that is not the way any of this works, but this is a dangerous thing that is happening right now in the country, because what you are seeing, I've been talking about this for a while, the shift from Disinformation to misinformation.

00:24:53.000 It's misinformation, you know?

00:24:54.000 It's information we don't like.

00:24:56.000 That shift is so dangerous, and what the left has been doing, what the fact-checkers have been doing, what the social media sites have been doing, is they've been fact-checking implications.

00:25:04.000 Whenever you see a fact-check that says, needs context, you know this is now a political, it's now a political exercise.

00:25:11.000 Because either a claim is true, or it's not.

00:25:13.000 When you say that a claimant needs context, that is a claim that I will discuss on the show, right?

00:25:17.000 I mean, that's what the show is for, is to give context to various claims.

00:25:20.000 We'll discuss it.

00:25:22.000 But context is a political argument.

00:25:23.000 There are various takes on what context is appropriate to place things in.

00:25:27.000 There are certain things in life that are factually true and certain things in life that are factually false.

00:25:30.000 It is factually true.

00:25:31.000 Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez was not in the Capitol building.

00:25:34.000 Then, there is the secondary claim, which is, did she exaggerate what happened to her?

00:25:40.000 And there, you have to really examine her emotional response.

00:25:42.000 Was it appropriate for the time?

00:25:43.000 How are other people at the area responding?

00:25:45.000 All of that is a matter of opinion.

00:25:47.000 But instead, what the fact-checkers do is they wrap all that up in a ball and then call it false, a thing that is objectively true, which is that she was not in the Capitol building at the time.

00:25:56.000 Now, why am I making a big deal out of this?

00:25:57.000 I'm making a big deal out of it for a couple of reasons.

00:25:59.000 One, the manipulation of truth actually matters.

00:26:00.000 It matters an awful lot.

00:26:02.000 And when you say that there are fact-checking sites that are out there to fact-check, and when you say that objective truth is really just your opinion, that is Orwellian kind of stuff.

00:26:12.000 The redefinition of truth to mean anything I like And the redefinition of falsehoods mean anything that I disagree with is a dangerous thing, especially when you have the mechanistic power, when you have the institutional power to ram down your version of truth, meaning your opinion, on everybody else.

00:26:26.000 That is a dangerous, dangerous thing.

00:26:29.000 It also happens to be that the media have people that they love, and the fact-checkers have people that they love, and they will manipulate the stats in order to achieve a given end.

00:26:36.000 And you see this with Joe Biden.

00:26:38.000 If Joe Biden lies or Jen Psaki lies, it's not a lie.

00:26:40.000 It just requires a little bit of context.

00:26:42.000 You're just not getting the full idea.

00:26:44.000 And if Republicans say something that is true, but has the wrong implications according to the media, it becomes a missing context or mostly false statement.

00:26:53.000 And then that is used to downgrade your ability to access the information.

00:26:57.000 It is a mind F. Okay, that is what is going on right now.

00:27:01.000 And it's really something that we all need to watch out for because it's, again, when this stuff is used to censor, when you have, by the way, active Congress people sitting in the federal government asking for censorship of claims that they don't like that happen to be true, that is not a good look.

00:27:18.000 That is not a good look at all.

00:27:19.000 Okay, meanwhile.

00:27:21.000 Controversy is not restricted to one side of the aisle.

00:27:24.000 Last night, the House Republicans decided not to remove Marjorie Taylor Greene from any of her committee assignments.

00:27:33.000 Now, there's been a sort of rich debate inside Republican circles about whether Marjorie Taylor Greene ought to be removed from her assignments on committees.

00:27:40.000 Normally, the way that this works inside Congress is that each party decides which members sit on what committee.

00:27:46.000 Now, the way that it actually works in actuality is that the majority of the House has to vote in order to seat somebody on a particular committee.

00:27:53.000 So the committee assignments are put forth, the House as a whole votes on that question.

00:27:57.000 So theoretically, if you have a House Republican majority, they can decide to deny a seat on a particular committee to a particular Democrat.

00:28:03.000 But historically, that's not the way this is done.

00:28:04.000 Historically, for purposes of comedy, basically you have Democrats decide who they want on a particular committee, and Republicans decide who they want on a particular committee, and then everybody just sort of votes For whatever the parties have already assumed to be true. 0.63

00:28:18.000 And so, for example, when Ilhan Omar, who is a garbage human being and anti-Semite, when she was being openly anti-Semitic, the Republicans did not respond by saying, OK, well, we can't seat her in a committee. 0.85

00:28:31.000 We're going to deny her a seat on a committee. 1.00

00:28:33.000 They didn't do that.

00:28:35.000 Just a sense of reality here, okay?

00:28:37.000 That did not happen.

00:28:38.000 The Democrats right now are talking about doing that with Marjorie Taylor Greene, but last night was more about what the Republicans did.

00:28:43.000 So the Republicans had a choice.

00:28:45.000 Do we take away the committee assignments for Marjorie Taylor Greene, or do we allow her to have her committee assignments? 1.00

00:28:51.000 And there's sort of interesting debate there, which is, can you punish somebody by taking away their committee assignments for stuff they said before they were elected to Congress?

00:28:58.000 There's some people that I respect who are like, no, you can't really do that because that's just a bad precedent.

00:29:02.000 You really don't want to be doing that.

00:29:04.000 Or, you know, we have to give them a chance to actually perform.

00:29:06.000 If they do this while they're a congressperson, then we can remove them from their committees.

00:29:09.000 And then there are folks who say, listen, just because somebody gets elected to Congress doesn't mean that the party has to honor them with particular committee assignments.

00:29:16.000 I tend to fall into the latter category, which I believe that parties should hold their own members accountable with committee assignments for stuff that they do.

00:29:23.000 I think that the Democrats should have denied Ilhan Omar a committee assignment.

00:29:26.000 And I think that the Republicans should have denied Marjorie Taylor Greene a committee assignment.

00:29:29.000 Kevin McCarthy didn't put it up to a vote.

00:29:31.000 He decided instead that he was going to avoid that particular controversy.

00:29:34.000 But he did put out a statement blasting Marjorie Taylor Greene's old statement.

00:29:38.000 So according to the New York Times, Representative McCarthy, the top Republican on Wednesday, condemned Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene's past conspiratorial and violent comments.

00:29:45.000 He declined to take any action against her on the eve of a vote forced by Democrats to remove her from congressional committees.

00:29:51.000 McCarthy said in a lengthy statement, past comments from and endorsed by Marjorie Taylor Greene on school shootings, police violence and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories do not represent the values or beliefs of the House.

00:30:00.000 I condemn those comments unequivocally.

00:30:03.000 In the same statement, McCarthy criticized Democrats for moving unilaterally to kick Greene off the Education and Budget Committees, calling the action a partisan power grab.

00:30:10.000 Are you saying, OK, well, we're not going to kick her off because we have debate inside the halls here, but you guys don't get to kick her off because that really does break with all past precedent.

00:30:19.000 And he pointed out, by the way, you guys didn't kick out your own folks.

00:30:23.000 He says, you know, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, still sitting on committees.

00:30:27.000 Cynthia McKinney, who was a blatant anti-Semite who believed in conspiracy theories, sat on powerful committees. 1.00

00:30:31.000 We let you guys put her on the committees you wanted to do.

00:30:33.000 The House majority typically does not deny the House minority the ability to assign people to its own committees.

00:30:38.000 Okay, so that's McCarthy's statement.

00:30:40.000 On this particular matter.

00:30:41.000 And this, of course, leads the entire media to say, OK, well, now this is the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:30:46.000 No, when you condemn her comments and when you rip on her comments and when you say that she's a cancer in the Republican Party, as Mitch McConnell did, or when you condemn wholeheartedly her statements as McCarthy did, it is hard to say that this is a person who is the entirety of the Republican Party.

00:30:58.000 Does that mean that they did the right thing in allowing her to keep her committee assignments?

00:31:01.000 I don't think so.

00:31:02.000 And for folks who are saying, well, yeah, but the Democrats, the Democrats let Ilhan- Right, but I'm not a Democrat.

00:31:06.000 I'm a Republican.

00:31:07.000 I would like for the Republican Party to actually hold its own members accountable so they don't say stuff like this in the future.

00:31:12.000 And so they stop all this.

00:31:13.000 If she wants to earn her way back into committee power, well then she can show how about six months of like not saying this kind of stuff. 0.97

00:31:18.000 How about that?

00:31:19.000 And that seems like that would be a good indicator.

00:31:21.000 She did issue an apology yesterday.

00:31:23.000 Apparently she went in front of the House members and she talked about how she was drawn into conspiracy theories and all this kind of stuff.

00:31:28.000 And that's nice, but I'm a truth but verify kind of guy, which is, okay, trust but verify kind of guy.

00:31:33.000 Like, okay, that's nice.

00:31:35.000 Now show me that you actually believe this.

00:31:37.000 And then we'll talk about this a couple of months down the road.

00:31:41.000 So, Marjorie Taylor Greene told the House Republicans that her statements did not represent her.

00:31:48.000 Apparently, she received some sort of standing ovation from a small contingent among the House Republicans.

00:31:54.000 Steny Hoyer of the Democrats, however, is going to ram this thing down because, again, for Democrats, the goal isn't to Abide by any sort of common rules, even if those rules cut against your interest.

00:32:04.000 The goal is to just ram home this idea that the entire Republican Party is the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:32:10.000 Which, by the way, is the reason I think that the Republicans should disassociate from having her on the committees.

00:32:15.000 I think that it's been a boon for Republicans.

00:32:16.000 I mean, as a political matter, I think it is very good for Republicans that Democrats refuse to oust Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib from their committees.

00:32:23.000 I think the Democrats should own it.

00:32:24.000 You want to put her on the cover of Rolling Stone with Nancy Pelosi? 1.00

00:32:26.000 Go ahead and do it, man.

00:32:27.000 Because at least that way we know where you stand.

00:32:30.000 I think for that reason, that it was important that Steve King be denied his committee assignments, for example.

00:32:35.000 Anyway, Steny Hoyer is ramming this forward.

00:32:36.000 He says, I spoke to Leader McCarthy this morning.

00:32:38.000 It is clear there is no alternative to holding a floor vote on the resolution to remove Representative Greene from her committee assignments.

00:32:44.000 The rules committee will meet this afternoon.

00:32:46.000 The House will vote on the resolution tomorrow.

00:32:49.000 Hours later, McCarthy answered Hoyer's action by announcing no new repercussions for Greene with a statement that amounts to a slap on the wrist for the first term Republican and spent more time criticizing Democrats than her past comments questioning if the Pentagon was struck by a plane on September 11th or advocating for the assassination of top Democrats, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:33:05.000 McCarthy said that her past statements do not represent the values or beliefs of the House Republican Conference.

00:33:11.000 He said he would hold her to her word that she'd be more careful with her comments going forward, which really does smack of the kind of almost exactly the reaction that Nancy Pelosi had to Ilhan Omar.

00:33:20.000 Oh, well, she sort of half walked it back and said she was misinterpreted.

00:33:23.000 So we'll let it go.

00:33:26.000 I don't like that kind of activity on either side of the aisle, and I'm not going to hold Republicans to a different standard than Democrats on this one.

00:33:32.000 I will say the Democrats are holding Republicans to a different standard than they hold themselves, for sure.

00:33:37.000 They are moving to oust Taylor Greene from the committees that Republicans have assigned her to, while meanwhile elevating Ilhan Omar, a blatant open anti-Semite, to the House Foreign Affairs Committee where she sits.

00:33:47.000 We'll get to more of that in a second because two things can be true at once.

00:33:50.000 One, the Republican Party should have done something about it. 1.00

00:33:52.000 Two, the Democrats are the world's biggest hypocrites on this kind of crap. 1.00

00:33:56.000 I mean, it's truly hypocritical and astonishing. 1.00

00:33:58.000 We'll get to that in just one moment. 0.69

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00:36:39.000 Alrighty, so meanwhile, the Democrats, they are pushing forward with their agenda with regard to this sort of stuff, right? 0.97

00:36:51.000 They're just blatant and raging hypocrites when it comes to holding their own members to account. 0.91

00:36:55.000 I'm getting very tired of the argument from the left that we are so good at holding our members to account. 0.98

00:36:59.000 You guys never hold your members to account.

00:37:00.000 Name the last Democrat who's held to account.

00:37:03.000 Seriously, can you name one?

00:37:04.000 I cannot name one.

00:37:06.000 Hey, there have been Democrats who have resigned because they're alleged to have actually done things, but it's not because they were being held to account by their own caucus.

00:37:12.000 And in fact, a lot of them have now buyer's remorse.

00:37:14.000 Like the only person who comes to mind in the recent past is maybe Al Franken.

00:37:19.000 And now Franken has buyer's remorse.

00:37:20.000 And he's like, I really shouldn't have done that.

00:37:22.000 By the way, the reason they capped Al Franken way back when is because they were attempting to establish a Me Too standard they couldn't actually uphold because they wanted to go after Trump.

00:37:28.000 In any case, Nancy Pelosi puts out a statement calling Kevin McCarthy QCA.

00:37:36.000 Okay, because of QAnon, get it?

00:37:38.000 He's not RCA.

00:37:40.000 It's like when I call Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez D-Twitch, because I think that her actual constituency is on Twitch, not in New York.

00:37:46.000 So, according to Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy is now an advocate of Q, which is weird since he has condemned Q many, many, many times.

00:37:54.000 But in any case, she puts out a statement saying, after several conversations and literally running away from reporters, minority leader Kevin McCarthy, QCA.

00:38:02.000 Like, I can't believe these are the adults in the room.

00:38:04.000 These are the adults in the room.

00:38:07.000 Slow clap for unity and adulting here.

00:38:10.000 First of all, there's no such thing as an esteemed House committee. 1.00

00:38:12.000 They all suck. 0.99

00:38:12.000 representative Marjorie Taylor Greene. 0.99

00:38:14.000 As a result, the House will continue with the vote to strip Greene of her seat on the esteemed House Committee on Education and Labor and the House Committee on Budget.

00:38:20.000 First of all, there's no such thing as an esteemed House Committee. 0.98

00:38:22.000 They all suck. 0.98

00:38:23.000 McCarthy's failure to lead his party effectively hands the keys over to Greene, an anti-Semite, QAnon adherent, and 9-11 truther. 1.00

00:38:29.000 As number two, Senator Republican John Thune warned Tuesday, McCarthy has chosen It's insanity.

00:38:35.000 The party of conspiracy theories and QAnon and Representative Green is in the driver's seat.

00:38:39.000 Okay, the irony of Nancy Pelosi saying this after turning over her entire party to Ilhan Omar, AOC, and Rashida Tlaib is beyond the pale.

00:38:47.000 It's insanity. It's insanity.

00:38:49.000 Okay, so here's the thing.

00:38:51.000 Here's the thing.

00:38:52.000 When Nancy Pelosi makes the contention that Republicans are now the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene because they didn't strip her of committee assignments, let me just point out, Ilhan Omar was on the cover of, like, is McCarthy gonna pose on the cover of Rolling Stone with Marjorie Taylor Greene?

00:39:07.000 I think not.

00:39:08.000 And yet, Nancy Pelosi did exactly, then she took like a vacation, she took like a congressional junket with Ilhan Omar, and they did like cutesy little Instagram videos. 0.67

00:39:16.000 Meanwhile, Ilhan Omar is trying to run away from the implication that she is anything like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:39:22.000 She says, you know, I'm not like that.

00:39:24.000 They're just scapegoating me because I'm black and because I'm Muslim. 0.99

00:39:27.000 Nope, it's because you're an anti-Semite. 0.99

00:39:29.000 That's why, because you are a not good person who's anti-Semitic, radical in every incarnation I can think of. 0.98

00:39:37.000 That is why people went after you.

00:39:38.000 Hiding behind the identity politics ain't gonna work here.

00:39:41.000 But my favorite thing here, I love this.

00:39:43.000 She says, they're doing this because they're trying to scapegoat me because they are misogynists and racists and Islamophobes.

00:39:51.000 She put out a statement, she said, let's be clear, this is a desperate smear rooted in racism, misogyny, and Islamophobia.

00:39:57.000 Uh, no, no.

00:39:58.000 Also, if it's rooted in misogyny, I'm just wondering, uh, why exactly are you guys going after Marjorie Taylor Greene?

00:40:02.000 She's a woman. 0.82

00:40:03.000 Is that rooted in misogyny or is it legit?

00:40:06.000 Seriously, real question.

00:40:08.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene has incited violence against her fellow members of Congress, repeatedly singling out prominent women of color. 0.66

00:40:13.000 She actively encouraged the insurrection on the Capitol that threatened my life and the life of every member of Congress and resulted in multiple deaths.

00:40:19.000 She ran a campaign ad holding an assault rifle next to my face.

00:40:22.000 She came to the Capitol demanding that me and Representative Tlaib and I swear in on the Christian Bible instead of the Quran.

00:40:28.000 Granted, I don't like any of those things.

00:40:31.000 Those things are all bad things.

00:40:33.000 You should not have committee assignments.

00:40:34.000 Also, you're a blatant, routine anti-Semite who says insanely radical things, and you also should not have a committee assignment.

00:40:41.000 The House Republican Caucus, instead of holding her accountable, is now fanning the flames.

00:40:46.000 Again, the irony here is just too much to bear.

00:40:48.000 Ilhan Omar calling out the Republican Caucus for not ousting their most radical members by a mirror lady.

00:40:48.000 I'm sorry.

00:40:54.000 Seriously.

00:40:55.000 Ilhan Omar then went on MSNBC and said their entire Republican base is Looney Tunes. 1.00

00:41:01.000 The entire Republican base of grifters, cowards. 1.00

00:41:07.000 There are no words. 1.00

00:41:08.000 Here she was on MSNBC.

00:41:10.000 Their party is destroyed.

00:41:12.000 Their base now is conspiracy theorists. 1.00

00:41:16.000 It's cowards. 1.00

00:41:17.000 It's opportunists. 1.00

00:41:19.000 It's grifters.

00:41:20.000 And sadly, they're becoming the Looney Tunes.

00:41:24.000 You know, these are people who we can't take serious.

00:41:29.000 Rashida Tlaib did the same thing, so another blatant anti-Semite said, you can't compare Ilhan Omar to Marjorie Taylor Greene. 0.94

00:41:34.000 She said, let's be clear, this false equivalency is a pathetically desperate smear rooted in racism, misogyny, and Islamophobia. 0.52

00:41:40.000 My favorite thing is when Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar just literally copy each other's statements and tweets. 0.59

00:41:45.000 That's always fun.

00:41:46.000 But Rashida Tlaib should not be on committees either. 0.99

00:41:49.000 Meanwhile, the Republican Party did take a vote last night on Liz Cheney's.

00:41:49.000 So that's fun.

00:41:53.000 There's been a lot of blowback against Liz Cheney, the number three in the House, the representative from Wyoming. 0.95

00:41:59.000 There was this vote in the House Republican Caucus about whether she should be stripped of her title as House GOP conference chair.

00:42:05.000 It was a secret ballot.

00:42:06.000 Now, the reason it was a secret ballot is because, unfortunately, there are too many Republican congresspeople who are afraid of their own constituents and believe their constituents would be mad if they found out that they voted in favor of Liz Cheney.

00:42:16.000 That's silliness.

00:42:17.000 It shouldn't have been held anonymously, and they should have voted exactly the same way.

00:42:20.000 But in any case, the vote was held.

00:42:22.000 It was not particularly close.

00:42:24.000 The way the media characterized this is Cheney holds on to House leadership position.

00:42:28.000 No, she didn't hold on.

00:42:29.000 The vote among House Republican members was 145 to 61, not to strip her of the position.

00:42:35.000 Meaning the vast majority of Republicans are like, okay, I may disagree with you on impeachment, but that is not a reason why you should lose the number three seat in the House GOP coalition.

00:42:44.000 Cheney spoke briefly to reporters after she held on to her title.

00:42:46.000 She said, we really did have a terrific vote tonight, a terrific time this evening, laying out what we are going to do going forward, as well as making clear we're not going to be divided.

00:42:54.000 We're not going to be in a situation where people can pick off any member of leadership.

00:42:56.000 It was a resounding acknowledgement that we need to go forward together and we need to go forward in a way that helps us beat back the really dangerous and negative democratic policies.

00:43:04.000 So the this is a rebuttal to the argument that's been made by the media that Liz Cheney was going to that this is the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene and not Liz Cheney.

00:43:12.000 There was only one vote that was held last night, and it was on Liz Cheney, not on Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:43:16.000 If there had been a vote held inside the Republican caucus on Marjorie Taylor Greene, I think there's a good shot that Marjorie Taylor Greene would have lost her committee assignments.

00:43:22.000 I think McCarthy didn't hold that because he doesn't like dividing the caucus.

00:43:26.000 He wants to hold together the caucus in the same way that Pelosi wants to hold together her caucus.

00:43:29.000 McCarthy is concerned with some of the Republican base.

00:43:33.000 Only about 30% of the, again, only about 30% of the Republicans voted against Liz Cheney retaining that particular seat.

00:43:39.000 My guess is that it wouldn't be a significantly higher number saying that Marjorie Taylor Greene should retain her committeeship.

00:43:45.000 But in any case, it does kill the democratic narrative, which is that this is not the party of Liz Cheney anymore, it's the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:43:50.000 The answer is, right now, for better or for worse, I think for better sometimes and for worse sometimes also, it is the party of both.

00:44:00.000 And that means that the party needs to do a better job of dissociating from the radical belief system of Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:44:07.000 She did apologize.

00:44:08.000 She did say that she doesn't believe that stuff anymore.

00:44:10.000 So that is better than not apologizing.

00:44:12.000 Now let's just see some proof in the pudding. 0.95

00:44:13.000 Meaning, how about not saying crazy crap for several months or ever again? 0.95

00:44:17.000 That would be a good way to go. 0.70

00:44:20.000 That is where things stand inside the Republican caucus.

00:44:22.000 As of now, the Democrats are going to take a vote in the House today to strip Marjorie Taylor Greene of her committee assignments. 0.93

00:44:27.000 The goal of that is to get Republicans on record voting either for or against stripping Marjorie Taylor Greene of her committee assignments.

00:44:33.000 This is why I think it was a bad move by McCarthy not to just strip it preemptively from Marjorie Taylor Greene, because now they're going to be forced on record anyway.

00:44:40.000 The talking point is going to be, you voted in favor of the QAnon lady.

00:44:43.000 And that is not a talk.

00:44:45.000 Again, I'm always bewildered by Republicans who are like, yeah, but the Democrats don't strip Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

00:44:50.000 And what a talking point that's been for conservatives, has it not?

00:44:50.000 Yeah.

00:44:54.000 That has been a pretty solid talking point.

00:44:55.000 I mean, Donald Trump thought that was a solid talking point for conservatives.

00:44:58.000 It's the reason he kept saying this is the party of Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib.

00:45:02.000 So how about this?

00:45:03.000 How about stand up against the crazies in your own party?

00:45:06.000 This should hold true on both sides.

00:45:07.000 Unfortunately, it seems to hold true on neither more often than not these days.

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The Fact-Checkers Are Full of S#!t | Ep. 1188

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