The Ben Shapiro Show - The Fight To Control Your News | Ep. 451

00:00:00.000 So, are big media companies cracking down on conservative news?

00:00:03.000 We'll talk about it.

00:00:04.000 A couple stories say they are.

00:00:06.000 Plus, there's a Harvard professor who's now being ripped apart for supposedly supporting the alt-right.

00:00:11.000 Is he?

00:00:12.000 We'll talk about that, too.

00:00:13.000 And the Obama library.

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00:00:16.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:16.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:22.000 You're going to have to wait a little bit more for the Obama library, because I promise you, you're going to want to see the pictures.

00:00:26.000 If you have not seen it, it is an atrocity.

00:00:28.000 I mean, it's just an aesthetic atrocity.

00:00:29.000 We'll get to that in just a second.

00:00:31.000 Plus, Project Veritas actually does something really good today.

00:00:35.000 I've said this before about James O'Keefe, that James, he does some really good stuff.

00:00:39.000 He can be hit or miss.

00:00:41.000 But he did, I think, a service to the conservative public today.

00:00:45.000 I'll explain why first.

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00:02:20.000 Let us begin with James O'Keefe.

00:02:23.000 So James O'Keefe made some real news yesterday because he had talked to an insider over at Twitter, a former Twitter staffer.

00:02:30.000 And this Twitter staffer explained in full living detail how it is that Twitter apparently shadow bans people, where Twitter will downgrade particular tweets, prevent people from seeing them.

00:02:40.000 I've heard this about my own tweets in the past, that I'll tweet something out and people who follow me don't actually see the tweet.

00:02:45.000 It's really disturbing.

00:02:47.000 Here's a little bit from the James O'Keefe tape.

00:02:49.000 This is an undercover tape with one of the members of the Twitter staff.

00:03:09.000 You ban someone but they don't know they've been banned because they keep posting but no one sees their content.

00:03:15.000 So they just think that no one's engaging with their content when in reality no one's seeing it.

00:03:20.000 I don't know if Twitter does this anymore.

00:03:22.000 How do you know if it's a lie and not another person?

00:03:25.000 You use machine learning.

00:03:26.000 Look for Trump or America or any of like 5,000 keywords to describe a redneck. 0.71

00:03:33.000 So it's a little bit hard to hear.

00:03:41.000 Here's what they're saying.

00:03:42.000 So there's a guy named Abhinav Vadraev, who's a former Twitter software engineer, and he says shadow banning takes place.

00:03:47.000 He says one strategy is to shadow ban so you have ultimate control.

00:03:50.000 The idea of a shadow ban is that you ban someone, but they don't know they've been banned because they keep posting and no one sees their content.

00:03:56.000 So they just think no one is engaging in their content when in reality, no one is seeing it.

00:04:00.000 Twitter software engineer Steven Pierre said, quote,

00:04:18.000 Alinda Hassan is a policy manager for Twitter's Trust and Safety Team, which is the most Orwellian name.

00:04:23.000 And they say they are working on downranking bad people.

00:04:26.000 It's something we're working on.

00:04:27.000 We're trying to get the bleepy people not to show up.

00:04:29.000 It's a product thing that we're working on right now.

00:04:32.000 And then there was another guy who you heard at the very beginning, a guy named Mo Narai, who's a Twitter content review agent.

00:04:39.000 And they say that in the past, they would manually ban or censor pro-Trump or conservative content.

00:04:43.000 They said, yeah.

00:04:44.000 And they said, if this is pro-Trump, I don't want it because it offends me.

00:04:48.000 And I say I ban this whole thing and then it goes over here and they're like, oh, you know what?

00:04:51.000 I don't like it too.

00:04:52.000 Mo's right.

00:04:53.000 Let's go.

00:04:53.000 Let's carry on.

00:04:54.000 What's next?

00:04:54.000 They said that more left-leaning content would go through their selection process with less political scrutiny.

00:04:59.000 This is not a tremendous shock.

00:05:01.000 If you've ever been on Twitter, there's been a lot of talk about this for years.

00:05:03.000 This has been rumored for years.

00:05:04.000 Obviously, the people who have been banned on Twitter, and they're people who I am not particularly fond of, some of the alt-right Twitter trolls, the people who have been banned,

00:05:12.000 I'm not a fan of their stuff, but the idea that they get banned and a bunch of people on the left don't get banned for similar content from the left is just insane to me.

00:05:19.000 It's not a shock that Twitter is downgrading content.

00:05:21.000 We found out earlier this week, by the way, that Google is basically downgrading content from conservatives.

00:05:26.000 How do we know?

00:05:27.000 Because right now, if you go over to google.com and you search the name of the website that I run, Daily Wire, which is a fully credible site, most of what we do is aggregate news from other sources.

00:05:36.000 Most of what we are doing is taking the news and then adding a bit of commentary to it.

00:05:40.000 So, it's very rare that we actually report original news at Daily Wire.

00:05:45.000 Nonetheless, if you actually go over to Daily Wire on Google and you search Daily Wire, there's something that pops up.

00:05:51.000 And what pops up...

00:05:52.000 is something that says, on the right side of the page, writes about, and then it'll show some of our old pieces.

00:05:58.000 And then, there's a thing that you click on, and it says, Reviewed Claims.

00:06:01.000 Okay, Reviewed Claims are a bunch of claims that come from Snopes and Climate Feedback and FactCheck.org.

00:06:07.000 In fact, all of the leftist fact-checking organizations.

00:06:10.000 And Snopes is a left-wing fact-checking organization.

00:06:12.000 They have a nasty habit of taking a factual statement a right-winger makes and then drawing some sort of conclusion from that statement and then arguing with the conclusion that they are drawing from that statement.

00:06:23.000 Politifact, they do the same thing.

00:06:24.000 A lot of these fact-checking organizations aren't actually fact-checking the fact that's being espoused.

00:06:29.000 Instead, what they are doing is fact-checking some conclusion that they draw from the fact.

00:06:32.000 So, for example, I remember Politifact did a very long review of a video that I did about how many people in Muslim countries have extremist beliefs.

00:06:40.000 My entire video was based on poll results from Pew Research Global, right?

00:06:44.000 The entire video that I did, and you can view it, it has several million hits at this point, is me just saying a certain percentage of the population of Pakistan believes suicide bombings are okay, for example.

00:06:53.000 So what did PolitiFact do?

00:06:55.000 They couldn't argue with any of the poll numbers I was citing.

00:06:57.000 Instead, they argued with my definition of extremist.

00:06:59.000 So when I said that it is extremist to believe that Sharia law should rule, 0.95

00:07:03.000 They would say, well, that depends on your definition of Sharia law.

00:07:07.000 Are they just saying that Sharia law should rule in their own country or globally?

00:07:10.000 Okay, that's you arguing with my definition.

00:07:12.000 That doesn't mean what I'm saying is false, right?

00:07:14.000 You're arguing with my conclusion, which is fine, but that's a matter of opinion.

00:07:17.000 That's not a matter of fact.

00:07:18.000 PolitiFact ranked my entire video false.

00:07:21.000 The most hilarious part of that PolitiFact fact check is that they did their own calculation and they found that something like 20% of the entire Muslim population on planet Earth was extreme by their own calculation, meaning that some 200 million people are extreme. 0.76

00:07:33.000 And then, in their own fact check, they say, but we don't want to draw that conclusion or anything.

00:07:37.000 We're not comfortable with the conclusions that we're drawing.

00:07:40.000 The reason all of this is a problem is because there's an attempt now to reassert gatekeeping from the top.

00:07:46.000 There's an attempt that's happening right now, in real time, to reassert the gatekeeping of news.

00:07:51.000 And a lot of this is driven by the fake news mania that the left has pushed in the aftermath of Hillary Clinton losing the election.

00:07:57.000 So Hillary lost. 1.00

00:07:58.000 We can't just say she lost because she's a crappy candidate. 0.98

00:08:00.000 Instead, we're going to say the reason that she lost is because of fake news. 0.91

00:08:04.000 It's because people were putting out stuff that was false.

00:08:06.000 Now, there are stories that are actually false.

00:08:08.000 There are stories about how Pizzagate was real, for example, where there's no factual basis to it whatsoever.

00:08:13.000 That's actual fake news.

00:08:15.000 Then there's stuff you disagree with.

00:08:16.000 And unfortunately, because the left disagrees with so much of what the right has to say, what you see very often is the left actually engaging in a process where they will shut down the dissemination of conservative-oriented news because they're saying it's a-factual.

00:08:33.000 Or counterfactual.

00:08:34.000 That's not true.

00:08:35.000 That's not true.

00:08:35.000 So you've seen, there's been talk about this on some of the major websites.

00:08:40.000 It's certainly true on Google.

00:08:41.000 How you search on Google is very different than the search results that you receive from another web engine like Bing.

00:08:48.000 Obviously, Twitter has been downgrading conservatives for a while.

00:08:50.000 So what James O'Keefe uncovered here is something that's very troubling.

00:08:53.000 It's one of the reasons why, for example, YouTube has gotten itself in serious trouble.

00:08:56.000 They demonetized a video that I did with Dave Rubin the other day, which is the least controversial political video of all time.

00:09:02.000 They demonetized a conversation I did with Blair White on transgenderism, which is a very friendly conversation with a transgender person about the pronouns that ought to be used in addressing transgender people.

00:09:11.000 That was demonetized.

00:09:12.000 YouTube has demonetized a lot of the Prager University videos, so much so that Prager University is suing YouTube.

00:09:18.000 Now, is that a lawsuit that can sustain?

00:09:21.000 I'm not sure it can, because these are all private companies.

00:09:23.000 But it is certainly true that we do have a troubling situation that people should know about when all of the major ways that you gain your news are being curated by a bunch of lefties on the top who are biasing the news feed in favor of their own favorite political beliefs, knowing that other media outlets will praise them for doing so.

00:09:40.000 So, good on O'Keefe for doing this, and this is something you should keep an eye on, just because

00:09:45.000 News is being downgraded by an outlet does not mean that that news is fake news.

00:09:49.000 I mean, as I say, Daily Wire now has these reviewed claims over at Google.

00:09:53.000 Guess what doesn't?

00:09:53.000 Slate, Huffington Post, Salon.

00:09:56.000 None of these have this.

00:09:58.000 None of them—CNN—none of them have the reviewed claims aspect.

00:10:03.000 Instead, they're just using left-wing fact-checkers to fact-check.

00:10:06.000 It's not just Daily Wire, by the way.

00:10:07.000 It's Daily Caller.

00:10:07.000 It's The Federalist.

00:10:08.000 It's only right-wing sites, basically, which is just insane.

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00:11:48.000 Okay, so in other ways that the left has been shutting down debate, there is this tape going around of Steven Pinker.

00:11:58.000 Steven Pinker is not a right-wing figure.

00:12:00.000 Steven Pinker is a professor at Harvard.

00:12:02.000 I took a class when I was at Harvard Law School with Pinker and Alan Dershowitz, which was kind of a fun class.

00:12:08.000 And Pinker is, of course, the author of a book called The Blank Slate.

00:12:11.000 One of the things that makes Pinker controversial among a lot of people on the left is that Pinker doesn't believe in the ultimate malleability of human beings.

00:12:18.000 He believes that the reason he titled his book The Blank Slate

00:12:22.000 is because he was saying that that perception of humans, that we are a blank slate, and that we don't have any natural inclinations, we don't have any natural presets, he says that's nonsense.

00:12:30.000 And that means that we're constantly battling with our own nature in order to change.

00:12:35.000 Well, Steven Pinker was doing a panel for Spiked Magazine, the unsafe space tour panel at Harvard.

00:12:40.000 Pinker has come under fire recently because he'll say things that are true, like women may have different

00:12:46.000 different interests than men do in the career space, which may account for some of the discrepancies between men and women in terms of science staffing.

00:12:54.000 He'll say things like, statistically speaking, blacks commit crimes more often than whites.

00:13:00.000 And then he'll explain why that is. 0.92

00:13:01.000 That has nothing to do with race, per se.

00:13:03.000 It has more to do with culture.

00:13:04.000 It has more to do with history.

00:13:06.000 It maybe has to do with poverty.

00:13:08.000 But he's willing to say facts that people on the left aren't willing to say.

00:13:10.000 So Pinker, in discussing this, starts talking about how political correctness has really led to the rise of the alt-right.

00:13:17.000 That what political correctness has done is it has said to a lot of people that you're not even allowed to say facts like men and women are different or that races commit crimes at different rates.

00:13:25.000 Because if you say that, then people are afraid of the conclusions you're going to draw.

00:13:28.000 So we were talking earlier about how the fact-checking organizations do this.

00:13:31.000 They don't like the poll results that I cite.

00:13:32.000 So instead, they argue with the conclusion that I cite, and then label the polls that I cite false.

00:13:36.000 This is what Pinker says.

00:13:37.000 He says, if you can't even acknowledge the on-the-ground facts, what you're actually doing is helping people in the alt-right.

00:13:43.000 Because here's the logic.

00:13:44.000 There are a bunch of people in the alt-right, or who are not even in the alt-right yet.

00:13:48.000 And they will say, listen, I'm looking at the statistics. 0.96

00:13:50.000 And what I see is that black people commit more crimes than white people on an average per capita basis. 1.00

00:13:55.000 And then people on the left will go, that's not true, you can't say that, you're a racist.

00:13:59.000 And then people on the right will say, you know, people who, not even on the right, people who will see that fact will say, well if it's taboo for me to even cite that fact, maybe it's taboo, maybe it's also taboo but not false to be racist about that fact, to suggest that the race is inherently what's driving the crime.

00:14:16.000 If the politically correct people would say, that's a true fact, now here's the explanation that has nothing to do with racism, which, by the way, is not a left thing.

00:14:22.000 It's something that I do on a regular basis when I'm arguing against the alt-right.

00:14:26.000 But the left won't do that.

00:14:27.000 The left won't acknowledge the common basis of fact.

00:14:29.000 Instead, they'll just say, you're not allowed to mention the fact because the fact itself is racist.

00:14:33.000 So this is what Pinker says, and Pinker just got shellacked for this.

00:14:36.000 I mean, he's just getting destroyed by the left.

00:14:38.000 Here's what Pinker had to say in his own words.

00:14:41.000 The other way in which I do agree with my fellow panelists that political correctness has done an enormous amount of harm in the sliver of the population that might be, I wouldn't want to say persuadable, but certainly whose affiliation might be up for grabs, comes from the often highly literate, highly intelligent people who gravitate to the alt-right,

00:15:10.000 Internet-savvy, media-savvy, who often are radicalized in that way, who swallow the red pill, as the saying goes, the illusion from the Matrix, when they are exposed for the first time to true statements that have never been voiced in college campuses or in the New York Times or in respectable media.

00:15:36.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:53.000 taking them to what we might consider to be rather repellent conclusions.

00:15:57.000 So here is a fact that's going to sound ragingly controversial but is not, and that is that capitalist societies are better than communist ones.

00:16:07.000 Here's another one.

00:16:09.000 Men and women are not identical in their life priorities, in their sexuality, in their tastes and interests.

00:16:18.000 A third fact that is just not

00:16:21.000 It's controversial, although it sounds controversial, and that is that different ethnic groups commit violent crimes at different rates.

00:16:27.000 Now, if you've never heard these facts before and you stumble across them or someone mentions them, it is possible to come to some extreme conclusions, such as that women are inferior, that African Americans are naturally violent.

00:16:45.000 That we all ought to be anarcho-capitalists and do away with all regulation and social safety nets. 0.98

00:16:54.000 That most terrorism in this country is the fault of Muslims. 1.00

00:16:59.000 The first time you hear them, you're apt to say, number one, the truth has been withheld from me by universities, by mainstream media.

00:17:08.000 I think so.

00:17:24.000 That the left, that the mainstream media, that universities can't handle the truth.

00:17:28.000 So the politically correct left is doing itself an enormous disservice.

00:17:33.000 We can stop it there.

00:17:33.000 So we can hear him say, right, is that the point here is that people are taking these facts and then they're drawing the wrong conclusions.

00:17:39.000 But when the left argues that the facts don't exist, it's driving people to embrace the wrong conclusions.

00:17:44.000 So he's anti-alt-right.

00:17:45.000 He's trying to explain why the politically correct left is creating the alt-right.

00:17:48.000 It's the same stuff that I've been saying on this program for years.

00:17:51.000 It's the same thing that I've said about the identity politics of the left, that when you push an identity politics that suggests that race and ethnicity are primary, you can't be surprised when people who are not of your race and ethnicity start to treat their own race and ethnicity as primary.

00:18:03.000 It's a mistake by those people.

00:18:04.000 They shouldn't be doing it.

00:18:06.000 But you have to acknowledge the forces at work in the universe that are pushing people toward these nasty, horrible groups.

00:18:12.000 And there's no one who's more anti-alt-right than I am.

00:18:14.000 I think I can safely say that, considering I was their number one target in 2016, and that I've been ragingly anti-alt-right ever since they became a prominent force in the American political scene.

00:18:26.000 Pinker just gets destroyed for this. 1.00

00:18:28.000 So there are a bunch of people on the left who think now that Pinker isn't—who's acting—they think Steven Pinker, the leftist Harvard professor, who is on the left, okay?

00:18:36.000 I took a class with him.

00:18:37.000 I've read his books.

00:18:38.000 Steven Pinker is not a right-winger.

00:18:40.000 He's an atheist.

00:18:41.000 He believes in government programs, big government programs.

00:18:46.000 He's ripped as an alt-righter. 0.91

00:18:48.000 So PZ Myers of Free Thought Blogs wrote that Pinker sympathies lie with the alt-right.

00:18:52.000 That's an absolute slander. 0.78

00:18:53.000 He says, I am shocked that a Harvard professor would promote such ignorance and falsehoods.

00:18:57.000 But of course, none of the facts that Pinker states there are mildly rebuttable.

00:19:00.000 They're not rebuttable.

00:19:01.000 And Myers makes no attempts to rebut them.

00:19:03.000 Joshua Loftus, a professor at New York University, he said that Pinker's ideas were worse than the edited clip.

00:19:07.000 They're just amazing. 0.57

00:19:08.000 Jamal Bowie of Slate, who I've had fights with over this sort of stuff before, he suggested that Pinker had claimed that blacks cause crime and Jews control the world.

00:19:16.000 Which, of course, is not what Pinker is saying, right? 0.97

00:19:18.000 What Pinker is saying is that black people in America have a higher crime rate.

00:19:23.000 But then he explicitly denounces the idea that the race is connected with the crime rate.

00:19:27.000 He says there are other factors that are relevant in assessing whether race is connected with crime. 1.00

00:19:32.000 And to come to the conclusion that race causes crime is stupid. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Right? 1.00

00:19:36.000 But people are ignoring that because they're using exactly the same sort of PC censorship that Pinker is talking about that drives people to the alt-right.

00:19:42.000 Professor Jesse Daniels of Hunter College says,

00:19:52.000 It's just, this is insane.

00:19:53.000 Okay, that's not real.

00:19:55.000 That's not what Pinker is saying at all.

00:19:57.000 But that's the astonishing thing about the left, is they are so utterly incapable of even looking internally at what they've done to promote this nastiness, that instead they continue to engage in exactly the same tactics that make the nastiness more likely and more prominent.

00:20:12.000 It's really an incredible thing.

00:20:14.000 When you're ripping down Steven Pinker, it's so funny, when I was going to Harvard Law, Alan Dershowitz was on the left and Steven Pinker was on the left.

00:20:19.000 And now, by the time I went there, I graduated in 2007, now 11 years later, Steven Pinker is on the right apparently, he's now an alt-righter, and Alan Dershowitz is a Trumpkin.

00:20:33.000 Okay, I don't think that Alan Dershowitz and Steven Pinker changed all that much.

00:20:36.000 I think the left changed all that much.

00:20:37.000 I think the same left that decided that Larry Summers, who was ousted from the presidency of the university when I was there, for stating that women may have different aptitudes and interests in science and math than men.

00:20:48.000 That same university now says that Steven Pinker is to be ousted.

00:20:52.000 That Steven Pinker has to be targeted.

00:20:54.000 You wonder how people like Sam Harris and Steven Pinker and I all end up on the same side of the aisle on this stuff?

00:20:59.000 And we disagree about virtually everything else?

00:21:01.000 Maybe the reason is because the left is so extreme and radical that they're driving away an entire contingent of people who just want to talk about facts, even if they draw different conclusions from those facts.

00:21:10.000 I cannot have a discussion with people who will not operate in the same world of facts that I operate.

00:21:15.000 I can have a discussion with Steven Pinker.

00:21:17.000 And that, I think, is what drives the left up a wall.

00:21:19.000 And so instead they use censorship as a way of preventing honest and open discussion about issues that matter.

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00:21:28.000 I think it does say something about Obama as a human, really.

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00:22:48.000 I promised yesterday I was going to show you pictures of the Obama library, and they are just incredible.

00:22:54.000 So here are some of the pictures of the Obama library.

00:22:57.000 Okay, this is Obama approved this library, really.

00:23:01.000 It looks like, for those who can't see it and are just listening, it looks like

00:23:05.000 GONK from Star Wars Episode IV.

00:23:08.000 Remember the robot with the feet that kind of walks around?

00:23:11.000 Yeah, there's GONK.

00:23:13.000 So it kind of looks like that.

00:23:14.000 So it looks like GONK from—it looks like a Chinese food takeout box that was opened and then left in the sun.

00:23:22.000 And it's this weirdly Orwellian-looking building.

00:23:25.000 It's supposed to symbolize four hands coming together, which I don't understand at all.

00:23:29.000 I don't understand how this is hands.

00:23:31.000 It looks like just a weird building.

00:23:33.000 It looks like a tower off the side of the Death Star.

00:23:36.000 I mean, it really does.

00:23:38.000 And then it has a sports center so people can play sports at the Obama Presidential Library.

00:23:43.000 And it's supposed to overlook a walkway outside so that you can look down on all the little people.

00:23:49.000 It really is an amazing thing.

00:23:50.000 Now, here's what it says about Obama.

00:23:51.000 Look how hideous this is. 1.00

00:23:53.000 I mean, this is just hideous crap. 0.99

00:23:54.000 If you look at the Bush Presidential Library, it's kind of a classy-looking building. 0.99

00:23:58.000 If you look at any of the old presidential libraries, they're all nice-looking.

00:24:01.000 The Nixon Presidential Library is beautiful.

00:24:03.000 The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library is beautiful.

00:24:05.000 This is just a hideous eyesore that apparently is being built by modernists, and those modernists do not know how to build anything remotely interesting-looking. 0.96

00:24:14.000 It looks like a Soviet Bloc era modernist 0.59

00:24:19.000 I don't know.

00:24:33.000 But it's supposed to emphasize how important words were to Obama, which makes perfect sense because the guy sucked at governing, so words were the only thing that he was good at.

00:24:41.000 Here's the part that I find really interesting.

00:24:43.000 So, in 2011, he said he wanted to be an architect, did Obama.

00:24:47.000 So he said,

00:24:55.000 So Obama, who thinks he's an architect, helps come up with the plans for this hideous, hideous monstrosity.

00:25:00.000 That's not a shock, because you remember in 2008 he said,

00:25:15.000 It was that sort of arrogance and self-centeredness that led him to being a bad president.

00:25:20.000 He was not better at any of these things than the people he delegated it to.

00:25:24.000 And he is not a better architect than my one-and-a-half-year-old child who can at least build a box out of magnet tiles. 0.99

00:25:29.000 This is hideous crap. 1.00

00:25:32.000 And it's fitting for a hideous presidency. 1.00

00:25:36.000 So there you have it. 0.99

00:25:37.000 Just ugly, ugly, ugly. 0.99

00:25:39.000 I don't know what it is about Democrats and ugly presidential libraries. 0.98

00:25:41.000 Here's a picture of the Clinton Presidential Library.

00:25:43.000 Let's grab that one.

00:25:45.000 This has been mocked for years because it looks like a double-wide trailer.

00:25:49.000 It's a very weird-looking presidential library.

00:25:50.000 In fact, I know a local radio host in Arkansas who went and stuck a bunch of pink flamingos in front of it as a prank because it looks like a double-wide trailer.

00:26:00.000 I don't know why. 0.95

00:26:01.000 Maybe only Republicans are capable of building beautiful presidential libraries because this one is just—they're all ugly, ugly oogly.

00:26:10.000 So, to get to some actual news, today the President of the United States decided to confuse everyone with a couple of tweets.

00:26:16.000 This is the breaking news.

00:26:18.000 So, the House is now reconsidering the renewal of the FISA Act.

00:26:21.000 The FISA Act is the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the FISA Act sets up a system whereby intelligence agencies have to go to secret FISA courts in order to obtain warrants for domestic wiretapping.

00:26:32.000 Particularly.

00:26:33.000 And the idea is that you're not supposed to give a warrant for domestic targets.

00:26:37.000 You're supposed to be targeting foreign surveillance, right?

00:26:39.000 Foreign targets.

00:26:40.000 And if people get caught up in that, they get caught up in that.

00:26:42.000 This is one of the big arguments over whether Trump was wiretapped or Manafort was wiretapped when the FBI was attempting to wiretap foreign sources.

00:26:50.000 When they were looking for a wiretap on Carter Page, were they actually looking for a wiretap on Carter Page?

00:26:55.000 If so, did that violate the Fourth Amendment?

00:26:57.000 Or was that they were having a wiretap on foreign sources, and those foreign sources were talking to Trump and talking to Manafort, and therefore they were sort of swept up in this foreign intelligence surveillance.

00:27:07.000 So the Trump administration had come out and endorsed the

00:27:12.000 We're good to go.

00:27:33.000 So, yesterday, the White House press secretary gave this statement.

00:27:37.000 They said, So there was an attempt to amend Section 702 so that intelligence agencies couldn't share information as easily, supposedly in order to protect Fourth Amendment rights.

00:28:03.000 But there was one problem.

00:28:04.000 Trump watched Fox & Friends this morning.

00:28:06.000 So his administration comes out and says, don't endorse USA Rights.

00:28:09.000 Trump watches Fox & Friends.

00:28:10.000 Judge Napolitano comes on and gives a monologue at 6.47 a.m.

00:28:14.000 urging Trump not to back FISA reauthorization.

00:28:17.000 And minutes later, minutes later, Trump tweets, quote, House votes on controversial FISA Act today.

00:28:22.000 This is the act that may have been used with the help of the discredited and phony dossier to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump campaign by the previous administration and others?

00:28:31.000 So then, he got calls from his administration, like people inside saying, uh, Mr. President, we endorsed this yesterday.

00:28:37.000 Literally yesterday.

00:28:38.000 So 90 minutes later, Trump comes out and he tweets,

00:28:50.000 So within 90 minutes, he has completely reversed his position.

00:28:53.000 And by the way, fibbed about this.

00:28:54.000 He's directed the fix to the unmasking process.

00:28:56.000 You can't direct a fix to the unmasking process.

00:28:58.000 It's part of the law, right?

00:28:59.000 I mean, the law itself would have to be changed.

00:29:02.000 Now, does any of this matter in the end?

00:29:03.000 No, because I don't think anybody takes Trump's verbiage on policy completely seriously.

00:29:08.000 But for probably 90 minutes, every Republican in the world was panicking.

00:29:11.000 And for 90 minutes, all the Republicans were going, what in the world is he talking about?

00:29:15.000 And that's why I think that a lot of the emphasis, a lot of the fear about what Trump is doing on policy is a little bit overblown.

00:29:23.000 You can't take Trump seriously on policy or literally on policy.

00:29:26.000 All you can do is watch what the administration does.

00:29:28.000 Because Trump, frankly, doesn't know what he's talking about on policy a lot of the time.

00:29:32.000 We saw that in his immigration meeting the other day when he reversed himself on DACA, a Clean Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals bill.

00:29:38.000 He reversed himself on that in the course of 40 seconds when informed by Kevin McCarthy that he didn't know what he was talking about.

00:29:44.000 So a lot of his base is very upset with him over this.

00:29:46.000 A lot of Trump's base.

00:29:48.000 He's very angry at him for supposedly signaling that he's going to show tremendous flexibility on illegal immigration.

00:29:55.000 I think that his base is getting out in front of itself.

00:29:57.000 I think that a lot of the people like Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Tucker Carlson, I think a lot of these people are taking Trump literally and seriously and they should not be doing either.

00:30:05.000 The reality is Trump was having a meeting.

00:30:07.000 He thought of it as a meeting.

00:30:08.000 He doesn't care that much about the policy, and he's not going to be the one who is setting policy, as he made pretty clear.

00:30:13.000 He said, basically, congressional Republicans, you're the ones who are in charge of this.

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00:32:01.000 All right, so yesterday, the base lost it over Trump's words on illegal immigration.

00:32:07.000 So we'll start with Laura Ingraham, Laura on Fox, who's been an immigration hardliner through and through.

00:32:11.000 She says that she is very unhappy with how Trump was talking.

00:32:15.000 And all I would suggest to Laura, I sound like a Trumpkin here, but I'm not, right?

00:32:19.000 I'm going to suggest to Laura that she's not trusting Trump enough.

00:32:23.000 And what I mean by that is not that you should trust Trump on policy.

00:32:26.000 You should trust the people around Trump on policy, because Trump ain't shaping the policy.

00:32:29.000 See, this is the great problem if you are a worshipper of Trump personally, is you think this is all part of Trump's plan.

00:32:34.000 You think that Trump is sitting around playing that 4-D MAGA MAGA MAGA chess.

00:32:38.000 That's not what's going on.

00:32:38.000 Trump is saying stuff.

00:32:40.000 What you see is what you get.

00:32:41.000 Trump is just saying things.

00:32:43.000 And those things that he is saying, he'll flip on them inside of an hour.

00:32:46.000 He tweeted out a bunch of stuff that completely contradicted what he had said to Dianne Feinstein about illegal immigration.

00:32:53.000 He had sent out his press secretary to say that they would consider amnesty for illegal immigrants, and then five minutes later, they sent out Pence to saying that they are committed to the promises that they made.

00:33:01.000 Let's do Mike Pence, actually, first, and then we'll show the reaction.

00:33:03.000 So Mike Pence, the vice president, he's asked about Trump on illegal immigration, and here is the vice president.

00:33:09.000 This president and this administration are absolutely committed to keep the promises we made to the American people.

00:33:15.000 As the president said last weekend at Camp David, there's no DACA fix without a wall.

00:33:21.000 We're going to build a wall.

00:33:23.000 We're going to end chain migration.

00:33:24.000 We're going to end the visa lottery program. 0.65

00:33:27.000 And we're going to deal with DACA, but we're going to do it in a way that will meet the expectation of the American people.

00:33:33.000 Okay, so there it is.

00:33:35.000 Pence basically is defining policy, I think, a lot more than Trump is on a lot of this stuff, which is a good thing, right?

00:33:40.000 That is a nice, wonderful, good thing for conservatives.

00:33:43.000 But Laura Ingraham and Tucker Carlson are very angry.

00:33:46.000 Listen, I'll give them credit.

00:33:47.000 Good for them for actually being critical of the president when they think the president is doing something wrong.

00:33:51.000 I think that they are underestimating, or they're both underestimating Trump and overestimating Trump.

00:33:55.000 They're underestimating Trump in the sense that they are saying that Trump is gonna break promises because he's not a promise keeper.

00:34:01.000 I agree with that to a certain extent.

00:34:03.000 They're overestimating Trump if they think he's actually in control of policy, because he really is not.

00:34:07.000 Here is Laura Ingraham going after Trump on exactly these grounds.

00:34:10.000 I'm going to wait to see what the final DACA proposal looks like.

00:34:14.000 But if it does not include a wall, a real wall, not a see-through wall, expect a political revolt from the base, which means losing the House and maybe even losing the Senate.

00:34:23.000 And by the way, chain migration, absolutely necessary.

00:34:27.000 OK, so what she's saying there is right on policy.

00:34:30.000 Build the wall.

00:34:30.000 The wall, by the way, is like fourth priority in terms of if you're going to reform immigration.

00:34:33.000 The other priorities are E-Verify, making sure that employers aren't allowed to hire illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:34:38.000 You have to have also the end of chain migration.

00:34:41.000 So if you come in legally and then you bring your entire family in, that has to be ended. 1.00

00:34:45.000 And the visa lottery program has to be ended as well.

00:34:48.000 The wall is like fourth on that list.

00:34:50.000 But in any case, she's not wrong on policy.

00:34:52.000 All I'm suggesting is that all these people who are members of the base, listen, I'm happy that they finally arrived at the point that I was at a while ago calling balls and strikes with Trump.

00:34:59.000 I'm glad that they're finally saying that if Trump does something that they don't like, that they'll break with Trump.

00:35:03.000 But if they think that Trump is actually, that yesterday was anything more, that his meeting with Democrats was anything more than posturing, I think that that's wrong.

00:35:10.000 Tucker Carlson was on the same page.

00:35:11.000 He was saying the same thing on Fox News last night.

00:35:13.000 Listen, it's good to pressure Trump.

00:35:14.000 I've been doing it too.

00:35:15.000 Welcome to the party, pal.

00:35:17.000 Congress is full of people from both parties who believe that the point of our immigration policy is to provide cheap labor to their donors and to atone for America's imaginary sins against the world.

00:35:28.000 They couldn't care less about immigration's effect on you or your family.

00:35:32.000 Yet these are the same people the president now says he trusts to write the immigration bill, the one he'll sign no matter what it says.

00:35:39.000 So what was the point of running for president?

00:35:42.000 OK, so he's not wrong on this, but again, I would suggest that Trump is not actually—the policy is not going to look like this.

00:35:47.000 The policy is going to look like what Congress shapes, and whatever Congress is able to get through the Republican Senate.

00:35:52.000 They're not going to get any Democratic help on this.

00:35:53.000 The question is what they get through the Republican Senate.

00:35:56.000 I would hope that they get the ending of chain migration, the ending of the diversity visa lottery, some funding for the wall so Trump can claim victory on the wall.

00:36:03.000 But the idea that Trump was serious about any of this, I think, is utterly untrue.

00:36:07.000 The part that I would be disquieted about here is not what Trump does on immigration, actually.

00:36:11.000 The part that I would be disquieted about is what Trump does when there's a Democratic Congress.

00:36:15.000 Which, as I've been saying now for weeks, is why Congress matters.

00:36:18.000 And it's why Republican scandals matter.

00:36:20.000 So speaking of Republican scandals, a really bad Republican scandal broke yesterday.

00:36:26.000 It's not good.

00:36:27.000 So late on Wednesday evening,

00:36:28.000 News broke that, in all likelihood, will end the career of the Missouri governor Eric Greitens, who is sort of an up-and-coming Republican star, ex-Navy SEAL.

00:36:35.000 So, apparently, he'd been having an extramarital affair.

00:36:37.000 But that's not the worst part of the story.

00:36:39.000 The worst part of the story is that the ex-husband of Greitens' ex-mistress came forward with a tape in which the woman talked about her relationship with Greitens.

00:36:48.000 And apparently, here's what happened.

00:36:49.000 It is according to the woman.

00:36:51.000 Basically, she says that he invited her over to his house.

00:36:54.000 That he told her that he was going to show her how to do a proper pull-up, which is a very interesting come online, that she acceded to his request, that he proceeded to tape her hands to rings, blindfold her, get her naked, and then take a picture of her.

00:37:08.000 And then take that picture and say, basically, if anything ever comes out about this, this picture is going to hit the press.

00:37:13.000 So he's basically attempting to use revenge porn as a way to blackmail this woman, allegedly.

00:37:18.000 Now he denies that.

00:37:19.000 He says the governor has now seen the TV report that ran tonight.

00:37:21.000 This is his team.

00:37:22.000 The station declined to provide the tape or transcript in advance of running their story, which contained multiple false allegations.

00:37:28.000 The claim that this nearly three-year-old story has generated or should generate law enforcement interest is completely false.

00:37:33.000 There was no blackmail and that claim is false.

00:37:37.000 It doesn't matter.

00:37:37.000 The allegations are serious enough that this is now going to dog him.

00:37:40.000 I think the chances that he remains in office are relatively low.

00:37:43.000 Again, if this woman comes out and says that this is true, particularly, then it sounds like—I wouldn't be surprised if there are other shoes to drop here, if it turns out that this is a tactic they've used before. 0.61

00:37:54.000 Because this doesn't sound like something you do as a one-off.

00:37:57.000 You're going to have an affair and you just think of this on the spot. 1.00

00:37:59.000 OK, I'm going to get you naked, tape you up, and then I'm going to take a picture of you. 1.00

00:38:02.000 That sounds rather unlikely. 0.87

00:38:04.000 One of the things that I find so disturbing about stories like this is it does go to whether character matters in politics, because there will be a group of people, undoubtedly, who will say, OK, so he did all this stuff.

00:38:15.000 Can he govern?

00:38:16.000 This is where we've now landed.

00:38:18.000 I do wonder if we've hit rock bottom with this.

00:38:21.000 If there are still people who are outraged enough by this activity, if it's true, to oust Greitens, or if there are going to be a bunch of people who say the same thing they said about Roy Moore, which is, OK, well, even if it's true that he was allegedly molesting 14-year-old girls, even if that turns out to be true,

00:38:35.000 Maybe he'll be a good senator.

00:38:37.000 Has character gone so far out that there's no way to bring it back in?

00:38:41.000 And does that matter?

00:38:42.000 We've been discussing this.

00:38:43.000 It's been an ongoing topic for a couple of years now among Republicans.

00:38:46.000 Does character matter at all?

00:38:47.000 Not that it doesn't matter a little.

00:38:48.000 It doesn't matter at all.

00:38:49.000 Because we've been continuously defining deviancy down. 0.96

00:38:52.000 Yes, JFK was a perv. 0.85

00:38:54.000 But that was secret from the American public. 0.83

00:38:56.000 And if the American public had found out that JFK was a perv in 1963, he's not reelected in 1964. 0.99

00:39:02.000 Yes, LBJ was a piece of crap, but none of that information was public knowledge. 0.97

00:39:05.000 So there have been bad men who have been president before, going all the way back to the beginning, but that was hidden from the American public because the public did not tolerate that. 0.98

00:39:14.000 And that does have an effect on the culture that we all inhabit together.

00:39:18.000 Maybe it's true that people of low character can be good politicians.

00:39:21.000 Maybe it's true that Ted Kennedy can leave a woman to drown after presumably having an affair with her and leaving her in the back of a car in the middle of the river.

00:39:28.000 Maybe it's true that he can go on to be a very powerful and influential senator.

00:39:32.000 But what is also true is that a society that suggests that character does not matter when it comes to people who are making policy is a society that is going to treat character as completely irrelevant.

00:39:43.000 And that's, I think, where we are going.

00:39:45.000 Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan coined this phrase, defining deviancy down.

00:39:49.000 In 1993, he wrote this about crime.

00:39:50.000 He said, over the past generation, the amount of deviant behavior in American society has increased beyond the levels the community can afford to recognize.

00:39:57.000 And accordingly, we have been redefining deviancy so as to exempt much conduct previously stigmatized, and also quietly raising the normal levels in categories where behavior is now abnormal by any earlier standard.

00:40:09.000 This is certainly not true only of crime.

00:40:11.000 It is also true with regard to personal behavior of politicians, and that bleeds down to what we accept in our personal lives.

00:40:18.000 Not just with regard to career, but what you're willing to accept in a friend.

00:40:21.000 What you're willing to accept in a community.

00:40:23.000 What you're willing to accept in a church.

00:40:25.000 These do have widespread effects, right? 0.55

00:40:27.000 I mean, there was a lot of talk after Bill Clinton that there are a lot younger people who are engaging in oral sexual activity because Bill Clinton had basically made that a byword.

00:40:37.000 I think that there's been statistics to show that various types of sexual activity that were hitherto considered taboo, as they are defined down, as those are no longer considered deviant, they are tried more often, and then the human psyche is just to look for the new taboo.

00:40:51.000 As we continue to search for the new taboo, we're going to continue to lower the character of the American people.

00:40:55.000 It doesn't mean every taboo is worthwhile or that certain taboos shouldn't be broken.

00:40:58.000 Obviously, there are certain taboos that should be broken.

00:41:00.000 For example, the most obvious example would be interracial marriage, which was a taboo for centuries.

00:41:05.000 And that was broken, and no harm, no foul.

00:41:08.000 Not only no harm, no foul, I think positive good.

00:41:10.000 But the idea that every taboo should be shattered, and that when we shatter taboos, we're definitely moving society forward instead of backward, I think it's a mistake, and it leads to a lower character for the American people, for sure.

00:41:22.000 OK, so in a second, I want to get to some things that I like and some things that I hate.

00:41:25.000 So let's do a couple of things that I like.

00:41:30.000 So we begin with Black Mirror Season 4.

00:41:33.000 We're good to go.

00:41:49.000 It's hard to imagine a bright future.

00:41:50.000 But we can.

00:41:51.000 And we must.

00:41:51.000 Anyone?

00:41:51.000 Hello?

00:42:21.000 Must have been mental for the system.

00:42:24.000 Nothing is gonna happen.

00:42:25.000 You're gonna be fine.

00:42:35.000 Okay, so the whole point of Black Mirror is that technology is twisting us in ways that we don't even think about, and that's why it's interesting to watch.

00:42:41.000 It does raise some issues about exactly how we treat technology that are worth thinking about, and that's what makes it fun.

00:42:46.000 It's sort of like Twilight Zone, but technology-based Twilight Zone.

00:42:49.000 Really good series.

00:42:50.000 If you haven't seen the beginning episodes, I'd say that season one is the best.

00:42:53.000 Season two is also quite good.

00:42:54.000 I thought season three was a bit of a fall-off.

00:42:56.000 What I've seen so far in season four, I think, is actually better than season three.

00:43:00.000 So, check it out.

00:43:01.000 Black Mirror Season 4.

00:43:02.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:43:05.000 So this I just found hysterical. 0.96

00:43:07.000 Apparently, there are a bunch of people on the left who no longer want to engage with pink pussyhats. 1.00

00:43:14.000 So these are now a thing of the past.

00:43:17.000 These people on the left are no longer interested in pushing it.

00:43:20.000 Why?

00:43:21.000 Because according to the Detroit Free Press,

00:43:36.000 Yes!

00:43:39.000 Peak wokeness, as Jamie Kershick says.

00:43:41.000 Just, these people are geniuses.

00:43:43.000 They are just wonderful, heartbreaking geniuses.

00:43:46.000 Because genitals are of different colors. 1.00

00:43:48.000 We cannot have pink pussy hats. 1.00

00:43:50.000 Now we have to have pussy hats that resemble the actual genitalia themselves. 1.00

00:43:54.000 I can't imagine why you guys are alienating voters. 0.99

00:43:57.000 I cannot imagine it.

00:43:58.000 Please, keep going down this path because it's working out fantastically for you. 1.00

00:44:03.000 God, these people are so stupid. 1.00

00:44:04.000 Okay, other things that I like. 1.00

00:44:05.000 So, there's a story out and people are going crazy over it.

00:44:08.000 Mark Wahlberg was paid 1,500 times more than Michelle Williams for the reshoots.

00:44:13.000 On his, on the movie, what's the name of this movie?

00:44:17.000 All the Money in the World.

00:44:18.000 They had to reshoot it because Kevin Spacey was in it, and then they used Christopher Plummer, and so they had to reshoot.

00:44:23.000 So Mark Wahlberg got 1.5 million bucks for the reshoot.

00:44:26.000 Williams received an $80 per diem that amounted to less than $1,000.

00:44:30.000 And so people were like, oh my God, William Morris, Endeavor, how dare they not get great pay from Michelle Williams?

00:44:36.000 She volunteered.

00:44:37.000 It's a free country.

00:44:38.000 If Mark Wahlberg was smart enough to understand that he had the studio over a barrel, and he could do whatever he wanted, and he'd get paid a lot of money, that's fine.

00:44:45.000 Also, if you're talking about box office draws, there is no doubt that Mark Wahlberg is a much bigger box office draw than Michelle Williams.

00:44:52.000 I mean, there's no doubt about it.

00:44:53.000 I mean, just look at the statistics.

00:44:54.000 It's not true.

00:44:55.000 I love the idea, though, that this is blatant sexism, as though Wahlberg's getting paid more not because he's a better negotiator, but because he's a man.

00:45:02.000 Not because he's a bigger star, but because he's a man.

00:45:04.000 If that's the truth, I'd like to talk about pay discrepancies on Ocean's 8.

00:45:08.000 Everybody is a woman. 1.00

00:45:10.000 I guarantee you that Julia Roberts was paid significantly more than other women on the film.

00:45:13.000 In fact, Olivia Munn, who does a cameo in the film, says that she had to pay out of her own pocket to be in the film.

00:45:19.000 That they made her pay for her own costume.

00:45:21.000 I promise you, Julia Roberts was paid several million dollars to be in Ocean's 8.

00:45:25.000 Obvious sexism.

00:45:26.000 Obvious sexism.

00:45:27.000 Because Olivia Munn is a woman and Julia Roberts is a man or something. 1.00

00:45:31.000 This stuff is so stupid. 0.99

00:45:33.000 You know, before you start claiming sexism, racism, privilege, why don't you look to the complicating factors in the same way that before you claim that race is responsible for crime, you might want to look to the complicating factors. 1.00

00:45:43.000 So stupid. 1.00

00:45:44.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate. 1.00

00:45:51.000 All right, so a couple of things I hate.

00:45:52.000 First of all, I saw one of the worst movies that I've ever seen.

00:45:55.000 I was in a car from Las Vegas.

00:45:58.000 I had flown there.

00:45:58.000 The flight back was delayed, so we drove.

00:46:01.000 There's a movie called Good Time that just came out with Robert Pattinson getting all sorts of great reviews.

00:46:05.000 It is awful.

00:46:06.000 Avoid this.

00:46:08.000 Run the other way. 0.66

00:46:09.000 It is so bad.

00:46:09.000 He's a very good actor, Robert Pattinson.

00:46:12.000 It is shocking that you could take Robert Pattinson, who's a very good actor, and Kristen Stewart, who's also a good actress, and make Twilight, which is a horrific,

00:46:19.000 Horrific film, right?

00:46:20.000 It's just an amazing truth.

00:46:21.000 But there's good evidence that good acting doesn't mean good movie. 0.98

00:46:26.000 Good time is just, ah, it's sheer garbage.

00:46:29.000 I won't even play any of the preview.

00:46:30.000 I had our guys pull the preview.

00:46:31.000 I won't play it because I wouldn't subject you to that.

00:46:34.000 OK, other things that I hate.

00:46:35.000 This, I have to show you.

00:46:36.000 Apparently, this has become a new trend.

00:46:38.000 It's called pose dancing.

00:46:40.000 It's a new dance style, I suppose.

00:46:42.000 And it's being pushed out there.

00:46:44.000 I guess it's...

00:46:46.000 It's called figuring, is the new thing, where you're supposed to form certain figures.

00:46:51.000 Here is what it looks like.

00:46:55.000 If you can't see this, it's people who look like they're about to hurl, kind of convulsing and posing.

00:47:07.000 What now?

00:47:08.000 They look like they're about to be taken up by aliens.

00:47:10.000 Like the beam is about to come down.

00:47:13.000 Or like they're being controlled by an out-of-body experience.

00:47:16.000 They're on the end of it.

00:47:17.000 They've got no strings to hold them down.

00:47:21.000 So this is a thing.

00:47:24.000 So let me just say, if there are a lot of worries about why people can't dance before this,

00:47:30.000 I think it is fair to say that white people cannot dance is going to become a thing after this, because what the actual F? 0.72

00:47:39.000 What in the world are we even looking at right now? 0.84

00:47:43.000 You remember that time when I said that art is different from skill?

00:47:46.000 Remember that time when I said that actual skill, actual craft matters?

00:47:51.000 When you look like you're having some sort of seizure,

00:47:55.000 Um, just no.

00:47:57.000 Just, just, just no.

00:47:58.000 Okay, I can't go anywhere from there.

00:47:59.000 We're gonna have to end the show there because it has blown my mind.

00:48:02.000 It's just, it's too much.

00:48:03.000 Guys, please, don't do that anymore.

00:48:04.000 Just stop.

00:48:05.000 Just stop.

00:48:05.000 For the love of God, stop!

00:48:06.000 Okay, so, we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest in news and opinion, of course.

00:48:11.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 11, 2018

The Fight To Control Your News | Ep. 451

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