The Ben Shapiro Show - The Future Of Politics | Ep. 658

00:00:00.000 The French Prime Minister attacks President Trump abroad, Democrats prepare to take power, and Republicans struggle for a message.

00:00:05.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:12.000 Alrighty.

00:00:12.000 Well, we have a lot to get to today.

00:00:14.000 First of all, happy Veterans Day to everybody.

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00:01:48.000 And it's great to be in Chicago.

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00:02:05.000 But I want to start today by talking about President Trump overseas.

00:02:08.000 So, President Trump went over to France to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the World War I armistice, and it came complete with the usual amount of controversy.

00:02:18.000 President Trump goes over there, and it's very rainy in France, and apparently he was supposed to go to a particular military cemetery on Saturday.

00:02:25.000 He did not go, thanks to the rain.

00:02:27.000 Now, people were saying, well, this is obviously because he's afraid that the rain is going to mess up his hair.

00:02:32.000 That is not true.

00:02:33.000 The reason that he did not go is because they couldn't get Marine One in the rain over to the site.

00:02:37.000 The next day, he went over to a different military cemetery.

00:02:40.000 He made a speech there.

00:02:41.000 And when he did, he actually went out there without an umbrella, I think specifically to prove the idea that he was not super afraid that his hair was going to fall off as the rain hit it.

00:02:50.000 But the real controversy emerged when French President Emmanuel Macron And the narrative about European politics goes something like this.

00:03:06.000 Europe is the great bulwark now against world war because they are for internationalism and the European system.

00:03:13.000 And the people who are the real threats are folks like President Trump and Vladimir Putin.

00:03:17.000 And some of the sort of nationalist leaders in Europe. 0.94

00:03:20.000 Now, lumping all those folks together is ridiculous.

00:03:22.000 President Trump and Vladimir Putin are not on the same page on virtually anything. 0.77

00:03:27.000 President Trump, well, he likes to talk a good nationalist game.

00:03:29.000 The truth is that his version of nationalism is still tied to American constitutional principle because it has to be.

00:03:35.000 American nationalism is not the same as French nationalism or Russian nationalism or German nationalism.

00:03:40.000 In any case, This did not stop Emmanuel Macron from suggesting that he knew better than anybody else how to prevent the unimaginable hell of war in the future.

00:03:48.000 And he said that nationalism is the real problem.

00:03:51.000 And this does get to a root issue with regard to how President Trump talks and what the future of the Western world is.

00:03:57.000 So Macron spoke bluntly, according to the Reuters, of the threat from nationalism.

00:04:03.000 He called it a betrayal of moral values.

00:04:05.000 He said patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.

00:04:08.000 Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.

00:04:10.000 Here is what he had to say.

00:04:11.000 is the exact opposite of nationalism.

00:04:16.000 For those who don't speak French like me, what he says is patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism.

00:04:35.000 Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism.

00:04:37.000 When we say our interests come first, those of others don't matter, we erase the very thing that a nation holds most precious, that which gives it life and makes it great, its moral values.

00:04:46.000 Now, this is a very bizarre statement.

00:04:49.000 It's a very bizarre statement for a number of reasons.

00:04:50.000 First of all, patriotism and nationalism are not in direct conflict.

00:04:53.000 And to suggest that patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism is to misunderstand both patriotism and nationalism.

00:05:00.000 Because the exact opposite of nationalism would be, just by nature, anti-nationalism.

00:05:05.000 For erasing of borders, it would be internationalism and globalism.

00:05:08.000 That would be the exact opposite of nationalism.

00:05:11.000 Patriotism is not the exact opposite of nationalism.

00:05:13.000 Patriotism says there is something specifically great about our country.

00:05:16.000 Now, there's overlap between patriotism and nationalism, but they're not identical.

00:05:20.000 So, nationalism can be used in a variety of ways.

00:05:23.000 You've seen blood-and-soil nationalism in Germany during World War II.

00:05:26.000 You've seen blood-and-soil nationalism in Italy in Mussolini's era.

00:05:29.000 You see blood-and-soil nationalism in North Korea right now.

00:05:32.000 You see blood-and-soil nationalism to a certain extent in Vladimir Putin's Russia.

00:05:35.000 Patriotism is the idea that there are certain fundamental principles to a society that are so important that it makes the society better.

00:05:42.000 It makes us exceptional.

00:05:43.000 This is why I think that Americans like to call ourselves patriots rather than nationalists, but to suggest that our patriotism is universal, that the principles that we hold true, that those are universally applicable to anyone inside and outside America's borders is to ignore the fact that Various principles can take various forms all over the world.

00:06:02.000 The Founding Fathers were very much aware of this.

00:06:04.000 If you read the Federalist Papers, the Founding Fathers specifically talk about how America was built in a specific way because of our unique history and because of our unique geography and because of our unique breakdown in terms of religion.

00:06:16.000 All of that meant that these fundamental human rights principles broke down in a different way here than they might in other places.

00:06:21.000 So for example, just to take an anodyne example, The United States' version of nationalism treasures the idea of a bicameral legislature.

00:06:31.000 We have two houses of the legislature.

00:06:32.000 Well, there are plenty of places that don't, right?

00:06:33.000 Israel is a democracy.

00:06:35.000 It has one house of the legislature, the Knesset.

00:06:37.000 Does that mean that Israel is worse than the United States?

00:06:40.000 Well, it means that it's different than the United States in how it runs.

00:06:43.000 Now, I would say that America runs better because of our bicameral legislature, but that is an element where nationalism does not necessarily mean

00:06:52.000 Opposition to other nations and Macron is doing something that I think is actually ethically dubious He's setting up a straw man when he says that Trump says our interests come first those of others don't matter Trump has never said that what Trump has said is our interests come first Specifically because the interests of others matter if America is weak we can't actually do good things for other nations if America is weak if we can't Maintain our own values.

00:07:20.000 If we can't maintain our own borders and our own culture, how exactly are we supposed to offer opportunity for people who want to come to the country? 1.00

00:07:26.000 If America were not America, if we put everybody else's interests first, we could not survive as a country. 0.51

00:07:32.000 And placing nationalism in direct opposition to patriotism means that you are going to sacrifice the interests of your own country for supposedly the values of people of other countries.

00:07:42.000 And you can actually see Europe doing this, which is why Europe is dying and the United States is not.

00:07:47.000 Europe's border policies have been specifically designated toward the idea that Europe owes other parts of the world its fealty, that Europe is supposed to open its borders, that all problems on Earth are the problems of the Europeans, and that means open immigration from some places in the world where there are a lot of folks who don't share European values.

00:08:03.000 Well, that's very nice as far as it goes, but what it actually leads to is a breakdown of exactly the principles that Emmanuel Macron wants.

00:08:10.000 So Emmanuel Macron, many of the folks in Europe on the left, they like to talk about, our principles are open borders, free flow of capital, free flow of people.

00:08:18.000 Because we are not for nationalism, we are for patriotism.

00:08:21.000 And that means letting in as many people as possible.

00:08:23.000 Well, the result of that is a massive blowback all across Europe.

00:08:27.000 What you're seeing is precisely the opposite of what Macron and his friends actually want in Europe.

00:08:32.000 What you're seeing is right-wing governments elected in places like Sweden, in places like Norway.

00:08:37.000 You're seeing all the Nordic countries move to the right specifically because of immigration issues.

00:08:41.000 Because it turns out that Emmanuel Macron's version of values is not actually the same thing as the Swedish version of values or the Nordic version of values or the Italian version of values.

00:08:50.000 What you're seeing is a blowback from Emmanuel Macron's sort of universalism toward the idea that folks are saying, listen, we got to protect ourselves first.

00:08:57.000 Yes, we have universal principles, but we can't help other people.

00:09:01.000 We can't give charity to other people if we just leave our front door unlocked.

00:09:04.000 If we allow people to raid our safe, there's no way for us to give charity or to hire people or to be strong on behalf of others.

00:09:11.000 I mean, the first rule in a moral system is that you have to be able to defend yourself specifically so that you can help other people.

00:09:17.000 And I think that by trying to draw this distinction between patriotism and nationalism, Macron is actually demonstrating why Europe is falling apart.

00:09:25.000 Because again, if Europe's central principle is that nationalism is bad, then what you end up with is internationalism.

00:09:30.000 Well, internationalism can be done in a number of ways, but most commonly it's done with multiculturalism.

00:09:35.000 And when multiculturalism eats a continent, you see the continent fall apart from within.

00:09:40.000 And that's what you're seeing in Europe as birthrights plummet, as importation of foreign labor becomes a way of life, as much of that labor is coming from places where people don't actually share European values.

00:09:50.000 When those values collapse, there's nothing left.

00:09:53.000 What Veterans Day is really about, and what Macron is missing, is that it was nationalism that led people to sign up and go fight the Hun.

00:10:02.000 It was nationalism that led people to stand up and say, our nation is special.

00:10:06.000 Our nation is worthy of protection.

00:10:08.000 It wasn't that we wanted to uphold the international order.

00:10:11.000 It wasn't that we were there to enforce UN obligations.

00:10:14.000 It was that France wanted to protect itself.

00:10:16.000 Britain wanted to protect France.

00:10:17.000 The United States wanted to protect Britain and France because it was in our interest to do so. 0.53

00:10:21.000 If it were not in our interest to do so, then we would not have fought that war.

00:10:24.000 And the same thing is true of World War II.

00:10:26.000 Now, it's certainly much more true of World War II than World War I, a war that nobody really understands why it happened.

00:10:31.000 It's far too complex.

00:10:32.000 But this has real ramifications for how we pursue foreign policy today.

00:10:36.000 So folks on the left will say that the United States should really only pursue foreign policy when it's not in our interest.

00:10:41.000 It's very odd.

00:10:43.000 If you look at how the left critiques the wars in which America has fought, typically they say that America's wars that have been justified are only justified when they are not in America's interest.

00:10:55.000 When we have no connection to the outcome of those wars.

00:10:59.000 So, for example, bad war is Vietnam.

00:11:01.000 Why is Vietnam a bad war? 1.00

00:11:02.000 Specifically, according to the left, it's because America fought it for imperialism.

00:11:06.000 Now, in reality, Vietnam may have been the most Anti-nationalist war of all time, right?

00:11:12.000 We really had very little interest in Vietnam as far as what was happening here at home.

00:11:16.000 Vietnam was half a world away.

00:11:17.000 It was an attempt to hem in the Russian and Chinese influence in the Far East in a way that wasn't going to have massive impact at home, at least for a long time.

00:11:26.000 The left hates it, though, because they say that it was just evidence of American imperialism.

00:11:29.000 What's a good war? 0.96

00:11:30.000 A good war is the war in Yugoslavia. 0.94

00:11:32.000 A good war is the war in Libya. 0.99

00:11:34.000 A good war is America putting troops on the ground in Somalia. 0.92

00:11:36.000 Places where the United States has very little interest, that's where the left says it's a good war.

00:11:40.000 But when the United States has an actual interest, then, all of a sudden, the war becomes bad.

00:11:46.000 Well, this is a good way to destroy your own base.

00:11:48.000 This is a good way to destroy your own country.

00:11:51.000 Because again, the lessons of every war are that powerful countries need to act in their own interest.

00:11:56.000 This is why President Trump is president right now.

00:11:59.000 He's really president because of a couple different forces that were evident from the Obama era.

00:12:03.000 Force number one, President Obama appeared to be anti-nationalist.

00:12:07.000 He appeared to be anti-patriotic.

00:12:08.000 He appeared to be a guy who really cared very little about American priorities and saw America as a dark force in the world.

00:12:14.000 And Americans responded to that by saying, okay, well, this Trump guy's weird and all, but at least he likes the country.

00:12:19.000 At least that guy is fond of the country and thinks America has done good things all over the world.

00:12:24.000 So I don't know what Macron thinks that he is doing here.

00:12:27.000 I don't know whether he believes that the bulwark against the breakdown of Western civilization is going to be ripping into people who want their country's interests pursued.

00:12:36.000 But if so, he's wrong.

00:12:37.000 He'd be better off making the case that America's interest is in the international interest, and France's interest is in the international interest, and Germany's interest is in the international interest.

00:12:46.000 In other words, we share interests.

00:12:48.000 Those interests are not identical.

00:12:49.000 We don't have to eliminate borders.

00:12:51.000 We don't have to get rid of what makes America strong, or France strong, or Germany strong, but we share interests.

00:12:56.000 And as sovereign nations sharing interests, that's where we are strongest, which has historically been the truth.

00:13:01.000 Now, the rest of the weekend was kind of weird.

00:13:03.000 Apparently, there were a bunch of topless women who charged President Trump's motorcade. 1.00

00:13:07.000 In Paris, according to the Washington Examiner, at least three topless women jumped a barricade to confront President Trump's motorcade Sunday as he traveled to a ceremony.

00:13:16.000 I don't know whose barricade they think they're jumping or why that would be a dissuasion for President Trump.

00:13:22.000 This seems, this is bizarre.

00:13:23.000 So feminists, the feminist group that has staged similar topless protests, they claimed responsibility, saying on Twitter that the women were protesting the hypocrisy of the event. 0.58

00:13:32.000 The words fake and peace were written on one woman's body as she ran within feet of the presidential limo.

00:13:37.000 President Trump did his best to open the car door, but Secret Service prevented him from doing so.

00:13:44.000 You do have to admire the complete lack of being in touch with reality that some folks on the left have when it comes to President Trump, so much so, again, that they think that it's going to be... What is the logic there?

00:13:59.000 President Trump is really going to be upset if we run up to him with our boobs hanging.

00:14:03.000 Uh-huh. 0.96

00:14:04.000 Okay, so there's that.

00:14:05.000 Again, one of the reasons that I go back to this nationalism-patriotism point is because it is very obvious that the left believes that people all over the world share interests.

00:14:14.000 People all over the world have the same interests.

00:14:16.000 Because the only way you can make the case that nationalism is bad and is directly opposed to patriotism is if you believe that people all over the world have basically at root the same interests.

00:14:25.000 And this is a sort of point that was pushed By politicians on both sides of the aisle, from Woodrow Wilson all the way to George W. Bush.

00:14:32.000 George W. Bush was fond of saying that there was a yearning in every human heart for freedom.

00:14:36.000 That is just a lie.

00:14:37.000 It is not true.

00:14:38.000 There is a yearning in every human heart for freedom that is very often overcome by other forces, including a need to feel part of a community, including a need for sanctity.

00:14:47.000 Jonathan Haidt talks in his book, The Righteous Mind, about all of the different values that we hold dear in our everyday lives.

00:14:52.000 In the United States, we believe that liberty is at the top of the pyramid when it comes to values.

00:14:57.000 For a lot of folks, it isn't.

00:14:58.000 For a lot of folks, it's closeness to their religious community.

00:15:01.000 For a lot of folks, it's a belief in sanctity.

00:15:04.000 For a lot of folks, it's a belief that certain people must be separated from.

00:15:08.000 And when you look around the world, and you're not a nationalist, it makes me wonder what you're thinking.

00:15:13.000 For example, this is a video of thousands of supporters of Islamist parties who took to the streets in Karachi in Pakistan.

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00:17:00.000 OK, so look at this video from Pakistan and what you will see is exactly what I'm talking about in terms of People not sharing values across the world. 1.00

00:17:09.000 This is a video from Karachi, Pakistan.

00:17:12.000 And there's a woman named Asia Bibi. 0.97

00:17:13.000 Asia Bibi is a Pakistani Christian woman.

00:17:15.000 She spent eight years on death row for blasphemy.

00:17:19.000 She was recently acquitted and thousands and thousands and thousands of people showed up in the streets of Karachi to suggest that instead she should be given the death penalty. 0.87

00:17:27.000 This is what it actually looks like in Pakistan over the weekend.

00:17:30.000 This is what it is.

00:17:44.000 We can stop it there.

00:17:44.000 These are not folks who share values, right?

00:17:47.000 These are not folks who you want invading your country or coming into your country as refugees if they don't share your values. 0.99

00:17:52.000 Again, this idea that nationalism has to be forcibly stopped so we can make room for patriotism is the death of the West.

00:17:59.000 The West can only stand on its own two feet when the West knows its own values.

00:18:02.000 And those values are specific outgrowth of a set of cultural and historical circumstances unique to the West.

00:18:08.000 These values are not held by everyone on earth.

00:18:10.000 The values that we have in the United States, the freedoms we enjoy, From freedom of speech to freedom in economics, these things are the outgrowth of 3,000 years of Judeo-Christian development capped by an Enlightenment that is rooted again in those same values.

00:18:23.000 They did not spring up in the Far East.

00:18:24.000 They did not spring up in South America.

00:18:26.000 They did not spring up in Africa.

00:18:28.000 They sprang up at one particular time, in one particular place, because of a certain set of historical circumstances that were driven by a bunch of moral values.

00:18:37.000 And when we abandon those moral values in the name of everyone has the same values, we're all the same, right?

00:18:41.000 All religions are the same, and all cultures are the same, and we ought to treat everybody as exactly equivalent.

00:18:48.000 What you are doing instead is you are bringing the threat in-house.

00:18:51.000 And you've seen this, particularly in Europe.

00:18:53.000 In the United States, you haven't seen it quite as much because our immigration policy hasn't been quite so welcoming with regard to, and thanks to proximity, we're not quite as close to Places like you're seeing here, but you've obviously seen the impact in crime rates in places like France and Sweden.

00:19:07.000 You've seen enclaves that have been formed of radical Muslims from places like this who believe in the same things that these folks believe in.

00:19:14.000 There's a reason that Asia Bibi is going to have to require some sort of amnesty, some sort of Some sort of sanctuary from this country. 1.00

00:19:24.000 She's going to have to take refuge in Europe. 0.92

00:19:26.000 She's going to have to take refuge in the United States. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Because again, values are not always shared.

00:19:31.000 And pretending that values are always shared, which seems to be a unique privilege of Europe in the aftermath of two world wars, is astonishing.

00:19:38.000 Also, hearing the Europeans lecture us on preventing world war is really galling.

00:19:42.000 It's really galling.

00:19:43.000 Like, these are the folks who brought us two world wars in the course of a century, the two deadliest wars in human history, and then they're going to teach us all about what they've learned from those wars at the same time that their continent is falling apart.

00:19:54.000 And it's not just falling apart on cultural grounds, it's falling apart on economic grounds, too.

00:19:59.000 And the fact is that the Euro is in serious trouble, that the idea of a confederation of European states was good insofar as creating a bulwark against Soviet oppression, but it was not good economically speaking, because it turns out there are a bunch of states in Europe that aren't going to pull their weight.

00:20:14.000 And this is what you've seen from Greece, from Spain.

00:20:17.000 You've seen certain countries in the EU who are supposed to be doing bailouts.

00:20:20.000 You've seen certain other countries in the EU who are not going to pay for those bailouts.

00:20:24.000 And all of this is a serious problem.

00:20:26.000 All this is a serious problem.

00:20:27.000 So failures to understand their own economic interests have led the EU to fall apart.

00:20:33.000 And what you're seeing is a resurgence of nationalism.

00:20:36.000 Now again, I'm not saying that pure nationalism is a good thing.

00:20:39.000 It's not.

00:20:39.000 Nationalism is just a means.

00:20:40.000 It is not in and of itself an end.

00:20:42.000 Nationalism isn't even an ideology.

00:20:44.000 It's sort of like populism.

00:20:45.000 It's a tactic.

00:20:46.000 But it can be a very good thing. 0.99

00:20:48.000 And abandoning nationalism in favor of the international global governance regime is foolish.

00:20:53.000 And it's why President Trump, when he says globalist and the left hears anti-Semitism, what he's really saying is we don't want international bodies governing for the United States how we ought to do our business.

00:21:03.000 That's all he's saying.

00:21:05.000 And frankly, I don't see a whole hell of a lot that is wrong with that.

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00:22:31.000 Okay, well, speaking of doing the things that America needs to do to keep itself safe, We are not going to do one crucial thing and it's going to be a serious problem for us.

00:22:38.000 That crucial thing is we are not going to pay down our national debt nor are we going to take the measures necessary to pay down our national debt.

00:22:44.000 The reason I discuss this is because today the Wall Street Journal is reporting on a development that people who have actually studied American governance have known about for years.

00:22:52.000 Apparently, the U.S.

00:22:54.000 debt is going to cost us more in the near future than our own national defense.

00:22:58.000 That's just the service on our own debt.

00:23:00.000 Thanks to the weakness of the global economy, there was tremendous appetite for American debt, right?

00:23:05.000 We were able to sell our debt and everybody was going to buy it because America was still the best bet in the global economy.

00:23:10.000 But that could soon be ending.

00:23:11.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, The Congressional Budget Office estimates interest spending is going to rise to $915 billion by 2028, or 13% of all outlays and 3.1% of gross domestic product.

00:23:24.000 Along that path, the government is expected to pass the following milestones.

00:23:27.000 We'll spend more on interest than we spend on Medicaid in 2020.

00:23:30.000 By 2023, more than we spend on national defense.

00:23:33.000 By 2025, more than we spend on all non-defense discretionary programs combined, from funding for national parks to scientific research.

00:23:40.000 In other words, we are spending ourselves into oblivion, and neither party has an interest in curbing this.

00:23:44.000 Democrats don't have an interest in curbing this because they like the spending.

00:23:47.000 Eventually it's going to lead us to Nordic Tax rates, which is exactly what they want. 1.00

00:23:51.000 This is why they're talking about blowing out the debt even further.

00:23:54.000 They want Medicare for all.

00:23:55.000 They want free college.

00:23:56.000 All this is going to cost tens of trillions of dollars over the next 10 to 15 years.

00:24:00.000 They don't care about that because in the end what they actually want is a middle-class tax hike.

00:24:04.000 You can't tax the rich enough in this country to pay for all this stuff.

00:24:07.000 Everybody on the left knows this.

00:24:08.000 They're lying about it.

00:24:09.000 What they want is 60% tax rates for everybody making above 50 grand in the country.

00:24:13.000 Because that's what the tax rates are in places like Norway and Sweden and Denmark.

00:24:16.000 So Democrats are fine with all of this, and they're lying about what costs us money.

00:24:20.000 They say, well, it's the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan.

00:24:22.000 It's the tax cuts.

00:24:23.000 That is not the stuff that is bankrupting the country.

00:24:25.000 The stuff that is bankrupting the country is Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare.

00:24:28.000 It is those three programs that represent something like 60% of the entire American budget.

00:24:33.000 Meanwhile, Republicans are gun-shy of this stuff.

00:24:35.000 For good reason.

00:24:36.000 They are deeply afraid that if they touch any of these third rails, then their political support will collapse, which is why President Trump has made it a point never to talk about entitlement reform.

00:24:46.000 He doesn't want to touch entitlement reform.

00:24:47.000 He's afraid of entitlement reform.

00:24:49.000 Paul Ryan will leave office without having touched entitlement reform.

00:24:52.000 And all this means is that we are going to run this car right over the cliff, and then we'll have two parties that are either, that are having arguments about cutting around the edges, right, austerity programs around the edges, or raising taxes dramatically.

00:25:04.000 And that's because Right now, we don't have a principled enough American people.

00:25:08.000 In the end, it's up to the voters to actually do the right thing here.

00:25:12.000 The American people are not calling for the sort of structural changes that are necessary because they don't see the crisis until the crisis actually materializes.

00:25:19.000 I was part of the Tea Party.

00:25:20.000 I'm old enough to remember when we talked about fiscal responsibility.

00:25:23.000 Let's be frank about this.

00:25:24.000 President Trump has blown out the debt.

00:25:26.000 Barack Obama blew out the debt.

00:25:27.000 President Trump is blowing out the debt.

00:25:29.000 Right now, the debt is rising at faster rates than it was under Barack Obama, largely because of the tax cuts, but also because Trump has not slowed spending in any serious way.

00:25:37.000 Republicans are so deeply afraid of touching this issue that they are going to leave office without ever having touched the issue, which is going to lead to economic chaos.

00:25:45.000 Because the other thing to remember is all the other countries that have been able to blow out their debt to GDP ratio, they've always been able to rely on the economic growth provided by the United States.

00:25:55.000 What happens when the United States is no longer providing that economic growth because we've had to undergo these massive tax increases or because we've had to undergo massive austerity?

00:26:04.000 Things could get very ugly very quickly if we don't start to take a look at these issues and bad things are going to happen.

00:26:09.000 Unfortunately, we're instead going to focus on the 2020 election and the and the Rock'em Sock'em Robots of the next presidential election.

00:26:18.000 So according to Mark Penn and Andrew Stein, both Democratic operatives, they think Hillary Clinton is going to run again.

00:26:23.000 Really?

00:26:24.000 I know.

00:26:24.000 Every day we stray further from God's light.

00:26:28.000 So they have a piece today called Hillary Will Run Again in the Wall Street Journal.

00:26:32.000 It says, get ready for Hillary Clinton 4.0. 0.90

00:26:34.000 The last upgrade really sucked.

00:26:36.000 So I'm hoping that Hillary Clinton 4.0, the upgrade, is actually slightly less robotic. 0.98

00:26:41.000 She definitely lives in the Uncanny Valley for folks who are fans of sort of computer-generated films.

00:26:47.000 There's something in computer-generated films called the Uncanny Valley, where if you put a human face on a computer, it looks slightly creepy to you.

00:26:53.000 If you watch Polar Express, right?

00:26:54.000 Polar Express looks kind of creepy.

00:26:56.000 It's famous for this because it lives in the Uncanny Valley.

00:26:58.000 The characters look too much like humans for you to think that they're animated, but they don't look enough like humans to actually feel comfortable with them.

00:27:05.000 That's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:27:06.000 She lives in the Uncanny Valley.

00:27:07.000 She's been there for her entire career.

00:27:09.000 According to Mark Penn and Andrew Stein, she is going to run again.

00:27:14.000 They say that she is going to come back stronger than ever.

00:27:18.000 She has a 75% approval rating among Democrats, an unfinished mission to be the first female president, and a personal grievance against Mr. Trump, whose supporters pilloried her with chants of lock her up, this must be avenged.

00:27:29.000 They say expect Hillary 4.0 to come out swinging. 0.99

00:27:32.000 With her cane, presumably.

00:27:33.000 She has decisively to win those Iowa caucus goers who have never warmed up to her.

00:27:37.000 They will now see her as a strong, partisan, left-leaning, and all-Democrat.

00:27:41.000 The one with the guts, experience, and steely-eyed determination to defeat Mr. Trump.

00:27:46.000 Mrs. Clinton knows both Mr. Clinton and Mr. Obama declared they weren't running until they ran.

00:27:50.000 She may even skip Iowa and enter the race later. 0.99

00:27:51.000 But rest assured, Hillary 4.0 is on the way.

00:27:54.000 Well, you know, those of us on the right who recall President Trump beating her, we say, oh, this would be the worst idea Democrats ever had.

00:28:00.000 I'm not quite so sanguine about that.

00:28:02.000 You know, Hillary Clinton handpicked President Trump like she actually wanted him to run, thinking that if he runs, I'll swamp him. 0.96

00:28:07.000 And then obviously she didn't.

00:28:08.000 It's a dangerous game trying to handpick your opponent because God doesn't like it very much.

00:28:13.000 I just get the feeling that God thinks that your hubris must be dealt with.

00:28:18.000 Here's the problem for President Trump.

00:28:20.000 We're all very sanguine that Hillary Clinton is deeply unpopular, that President Trump is able to drag her through the mud.

00:28:24.000 All of that is true.

00:28:26.000 Hillary Clinton lost in 2016, not merely because President Trump successfully dragged her down into the mud. 0.80

00:28:33.000 But also because no Democrat cared about her.

00:28:36.000 Her actual unpopularity ratings among Democrats were not good.

00:28:38.000 A lot of Democrats didn't show up to vote for her.

00:28:40.000 The reason that she lost is because no one showed up to vote for her in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin.

00:28:45.000 If you look at the actual percentage vote that Trump won, In those three swing states that he won, they're directly in line with the percentages that were won by George W. Bush and Mitt Romney in those states.

00:28:56.000 He won the states.

00:28:57.000 Bush and Romney both lost the states.

00:28:59.000 Why?

00:28:59.000 Because people turned out to vote for John Kerry.

00:29:01.000 People turned out to vote for Barack Obama.

00:29:03.000 Nobody turned out to vote for Hillary Clinton.

00:29:05.000 Does anyone on the right really think that that is going to repeat itself in 2020?

00:29:08.000 That Democrats aren't going to show up to vote?

00:29:10.000 The turnout was unbelievably large for 2018.

00:29:12.000 This midterm election, the turnout was significantly higher than 2014.

00:29:18.000 In many areas, it surpassed the turnout in a presidential year in 2016.

00:29:22.000 Democrats are extraordinarily motivated, and one of the reasons they're extraordinarily motivated is because President Trump is a very polarizing figure.

00:29:29.000 And those of us on the right are happy with that.

00:29:31.000 Those of us on the right are enjoying a lot of that.

00:29:33.000 We're enjoying watching him battle the Democrats and battle the media.

00:29:36.000 But what we saw in this last election cycle is that there was, in fact, a slow-rolling blue wave.

00:29:41.000 There's a lot of talk, oh, it wasn't a blue wave.

00:29:43.000 That was the early result.

00:29:45.000 I said, very early on, this is not a blue wave.

00:29:47.000 There's only one problem.

00:29:49.000 As the results have been coming in, this looks more and more like a blue wave.

00:29:51.000 By the end of this election cycle, when all the votes are tallied, it looks like it's going to be R plus 2 in the Senate.

00:29:56.000 Maybe, right?

00:29:56.000 We retain Rick Scott's seat in Florida.

00:29:58.000 It'll be R plus 2 in the Senate in a... in a... in a...

00:30:03.000 Midterm election cycle in which there were 10 vulnerable Democratic seats.

00:30:06.000 Republicans would have picked up two. 0.84

00:30:08.000 That is not a good showing.

00:30:10.000 And in the House, they're going to lose up to 40 seats, which is a blowout.

00:30:13.000 They lost all of the suburbs.

00:30:15.000 None of this is particularly good.

00:30:17.000 Democrats also swamped Republicans in state legislatures across the country.

00:30:23.000 They picked up something like 4.6% of state houses.

00:30:28.000 They reclaimed more than 250 of the many seats lost during Barack Obama's presidency, and they gained enough seats to deprive Republicans of super majorities in Michigan, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania.

00:30:37.000 They've been making serious ground in all of the areas in which President Trump actually needs to win.

00:30:42.000 And this has led to a bit of a crisis for Republicans who are willing to see it.

00:30:47.000 And I think that crisis is good.

00:30:48.000 I think that Republicans need to think strongly about what they're going to do next.

00:30:51.000 Now, listen.

00:30:52.000 There is one plan.

00:30:53.000 One plan is, we let the Democrats blow it.

00:30:55.000 Right, and that plan is not terrible.

00:30:57.000 Democrats have a habit of blowing winnable elections, although the margin for error is getting very slim.

00:31:02.000 Kyrsten Sinema is going to be the next senator in Arizona, which is insane. 1.00

00:31:05.000 Okay, Kyrsten Sinema in Arizona is an actual muck case, right? 0.63

00:31:08.000 She said in 2003 she didn't mind if Americans joined the Taliban.

00:31:11.000 She's going to be the senator from Arizona. 0.97

00:31:14.000 And Kyrsten Sinema is a person who went around the United States Legitimately shouting at people that Arizona was a terrible state.

00:31:20.000 She's going to be the senator from Arizona. 0.97

00:31:21.000 That's how bad things were in this election cycle for Republicans.

00:31:25.000 She beat Martha McSally, the first female Air Force pilot to fly in combat in that race.

00:31:30.000 Things are not looking good for Republicans.

00:31:32.000 So even if the Democrats were to run somebody completely nutty, which is sort of your hope in 2020, Republicans are going to have to come up with a better message.

00:31:40.000 In a second, I want to talk about what that better message looks like and also why we may still be able to count on Democrats being completely out of their minds.

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00:33:50.000 Okay, so let's talk about what Republicans can actually do to recover.

00:33:59.000 No. 0.98

00:34:00.000 Number one, as I say, they can count on Democrats being insane. 0.89

00:34:04.000 They can count on Maxine Waters being the head of the Financial Services Committee. 0.96

00:34:07.000 So Maxine Waters, who apparently is going to take up that chairmanship, she says that what Republicans are truly scared of is strong black women like Maxine Waters. 1.00

00:34:15.000 No, I'm just scared of Maxine Waters herself. 0.76

00:34:18.000 Like, strong black women, totally fine. 1.00

00:34:20.000 Mila's great.

00:34:21.000 Condi's great.

00:34:22.000 Maxine Waters, scared of her because she calls riots uprisings in Los Angeles, where I am from.

00:34:27.000 Legitimately, as we watched the city burn during the LA riots in 1991, she was walking around talking about how it was an LA uprising.

00:34:35.000 She says now that the GOP is just scared of strong black women like Maxine Waters. 1.00

00:34:39.000 I don't make anything of them.

00:34:40.000 That's the opposition talking about what would happen if this strong black woman, Maxine Waters, is the chair of the Financial Services Committee. 1.00

00:34:49.000 They've never seen anybody like me before.

00:34:52.000 There's never been a woman in the history of this country that's been the chairperson of the Financial Services Committee, and certainly never never a black woman.

00:35:00.000 And so they send out these dog whistles to their constituents to get them fired up about the possibility of what Maxine Waters might do.

00:35:10.000 Well, I'm more scared about the possibility that Maxine Waters may, in fact, use the Financial Services Committee to commit financial impropriety, because it turns out that her relatives by 2004 had made more than a million bucks during the preceding eight years by doing business with companies, candidates and causes that Waters had helped.

00:35:27.000 She was named one of the most corrupt members of Congress in 2005, 2006, 2009, 2011 by the leftist watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

00:35:37.000 When she worked on the Financial Services Committee during the downturn, she arranged meetings between U.S.

00:35:42.000 Treasury Department officials in one United Bank Where her husband was an executive so that the bank could plead for federal cash. 0.97

00:35:47.000 So yeah, I'm more afraid of her being just a corrupt, terrible human being than I am of her race. 1.00

00:35:52.000 But this is going to be the pitch that Democrats run, then Republicans have a shot. 0.92

00:35:56.000 Republicans have been able to count on the intersectional politics of the Democrats for a very long time.

00:36:00.000 Hopefully they can continue to count on that.

00:36:02.000 And Democrats are taking the wrong lessons from the 2018 elections, which is good.

00:36:06.000 The overwhelming victory, including the victory of Kyrsten Sinema in Arizona, It could have a silver lining.

00:36:11.000 Kyrsten Sinema is so nuts that Democrats may think, oh, you know what?

00:36:15.000 She won in Arizona. 0.99

00:36:15.000 We can run complete crazy people straight from Arkham Asylum and they will absolutely win. 0.99

00:36:20.000 It'll all be fine.

00:36:22.000 I mean, they nearly won in Georgia with a candidate, Stacey Abrams, who talked about full-scale gun confiscation.

00:36:27.000 So maybe they get deceived.

00:36:29.000 Maybe they deceive themselves.

00:36:30.000 Michelle Goldberg, who's an expert at deceiving herself, an opinion columnist over the New York Times, the worst editorial page in America, she says, it took a while for the conventional wisdom of the American political class, accustomed to treating Democrats as hapless and disorganized, to catch up to what the resistance had accomplished all over the country.

00:36:47.000 Three of the marquee candidates progressives were most excited about, Andrew Gillum in Florida, Stacey Abrams in Georgia, Beto O'Rourke in Texas, seemed to fall short.

00:36:54.000 But by the end of the night, it was clear that the Democrats had won the House, and in the following days, new races kept being called.

00:36:59.000 There are a bunch of progressives who have won, and this means that progressivism is triumphant all over the country.

00:37:05.000 Well, maybe we can somehow deceive Democrats into continuing to believe this.

00:37:08.000 Progressivism was not, in fact, triumphant all over the country.

00:37:12.000 Of the eight candidates who were the most progressive, as labeled by the nation, all eight of them lost.

00:37:18.000 Andrew Gillum, if he had lost his primary, Ron DeSantis would not be the future governor of Florida.

00:37:23.000 Stacey Abrams, if she had been slightly more moderate, would have won in Georgia. 0.80

00:37:26.000 Democrats were, like, this close to a full-out sweep if they had not been completely nuts.

00:37:31.000 So maybe it'll be the same thing in 2020.

00:37:33.000 And the evidence is there.

00:37:34.000 The Democrats are doubling down on a lot of this stuff.

00:37:40.000 Social evidence is there, too.

00:37:41.000 I mean, there's a really bad story over the weekend.

00:37:43.000 Tucker Carlson was accused of supposedly assaulting a guy, and Tucker Carlson put out a statement where he said, um, that's not what happened. 0.96

00:37:50.000 Apparently what happened is he was eating dinner at a place with his family, and his daughter, who's 19, went to the bathroom, and this guy went up to her and called her a whore. 0.87

00:37:59.000 And so Tucker Carlson was already outside of the restaurant by this point. 0.94

00:38:01.000 His son went back in, threw wine on the guy.

00:38:03.000 Here is a video of the confrontation.

00:38:27.000 So again, I mean, they were saying that Carlson assaulted the guy.

00:38:31.000 He didn't. 0.97

00:38:31.000 I mean, honestly, if somebody called my daughter a whore in public, this would be the mild edge of what would happen to them. 0.97

00:38:40.000 But unfortunately, there are a lot of folks on the left who are willing to embrace this sort of politics. 0.95

00:38:44.000 We saw that last week after this happened with Tucker's house.

00:38:48.000 Remember last week, Tucker's house was confronted by Antifa members.

00:38:52.000 People went to his door.

00:38:53.000 They tried to break through his door.

00:38:55.000 People like Matt Iglesias at Vox.com came out and said that he deserved it.

00:39:00.000 So it's possible the left will deceive itself into being completely nutty in 2020, and Republicans will win.

00:39:04.000 But there is a better path to Republicans winning in 2020, and that's becoming better at their jobs.

00:39:08.000 And I'm going to talk about that in just a second.

00:39:11.000 Evidence that Republicans can be good at their jobs.

00:39:13.000 There's a congressional candidate named Dan Crenshaw.

00:39:15.000 He just became a new congressperson and he's really terrific.

00:39:18.000 I'm a big Dan Crenshaw fan.

00:39:19.000 You'll remember him from last week because Saturday Night Live, Pete Davidson made fun of him on the show.

00:39:24.000 He's a former member of the military, former Navy SEAL.

00:39:28.000 He's one of the 16 veterans newly elected to the House in the midterm elections.

00:39:32.000 He's representing Texas's 2nd District.

00:39:34.000 And Pete Davidson had made some sort of offhand, nasty remark about how he looked like a James Bond villain and who cares whether he lost his eye in a war or something.

00:39:44.000 And there was a lot of blowback for it.

00:39:46.000 Well, Dan Crenshaw handled this about as well as it is possible to handle anything.

00:39:49.000 He came out and said, listen, I'm not going to pretend I'm a victim of Pete Davidson.

00:39:52.000 Like, I've fought in wars.

00:39:54.000 Come on. 1.00

00:39:55.000 But, you know, the guy's kind of a, he's kind of a jerk and you should respect military members more. 0.99

00:39:59.000 Well, Pete Davidson actually did something good. 0.99

00:40:00.000 Pete Davidson invited him on Saturday Night Live.

00:40:03.000 And this, I thought, was one of the better political moments that we've seen in American politics over the past several years.

00:40:07.000 Here is what it sounded like.

00:40:09.000 There's a lot of lessons to learn here.

00:40:11.000 Not just that the left and right can still agree on some things, but also this, Americans can forgive one another.

00:40:18.000 We can remember what brings us together as a country and still see the good in each other.

00:40:23.000 This is Veterans Day weekend, which means that it's a good time for every American to connect with a veteran.

00:40:29.000 Maybe say thanks for your service, but I would actually encourage you to say something else.

00:40:34.000 Tell a veteran, never forget.

00:40:37.000 When you say never forget to a veteran, you are implying that, as an American, you are in it with them, not separated by some imaginary barrier between civilians and veterans, but connected together as grateful fellow Americans, who will never forget the sacrifices made by veterans past and present, and never forget those we lost on 9-11, heroes like Pete's father.

00:41:00.000 So I'll just say, Pete, never forget.

00:41:02.000 Never forget.

00:41:07.000 So, I mean, that's really good stuff, and good for Dan Crenshaw who handled that the best possible way.

00:41:11.000 They also let him come on and mock Pete Davidson's appearance, which is easy pickings.

00:41:15.000 So, really, good for both of them.

00:41:18.000 That's the kind of politics where Republicans can reach out to new voters that way. 0.95

00:41:22.000 How they can't reach out is doubling down on what brought them there.

00:41:25.000 Now again, 2016 was an amazing election.

00:41:27.000 It was an amazing election for a number of reasons.

00:41:29.000 But what brought you to 2016 is not necessarily what's going to take you to victory in 2020.

00:41:34.000 Between 2000 and 2004, George W. Bush had to pick up 11 million additional votes to slightly beat John Kerry in 2004.

00:41:40.000 That was a close election.

00:41:41.000 Donald Trump lost by 2.5 million popular votes.

00:41:44.000 He won by 80,000 votes in three states.

00:41:47.000 I mean, he ran the narrowest gauntlet you can run.

00:41:49.000 I mean, there's just no way to run that more narrowly.

00:41:51.000 Basically, if there had been a sneeze in Michigan, he would have lost that state.

00:41:56.000 He needs to somehow pick up millions of additional voters.

00:41:59.000 Can he do that simply by tweeting things out?

00:42:01.000 I understand a delight to all of us in the base.

00:42:02.000 I understand that when he says things, that it's fun to watch him go, and it's fun to watch him slap.

00:42:06.000 And I'm not saying that he shouldn't do any of that.

00:42:08.000 I'm just saying channel your aggression.

00:42:10.000 Like a good boxer knows when to put his hands up and when to punch.

00:42:13.000 If you're constantly windmilling your hands, you're gonna get socked in the face an awful lot.

00:42:16.000 President Trump is good at taking a punch, but the rest of the party can't take punches the way that President Trump can.

00:42:20.000 When President Trump gets punched, it gets felt in Georgia's 6th District.

00:42:24.000 Trump doesn't feel it.

00:42:25.000 He's only up for election every four years.

00:42:27.000 But we did feel it in suburban districts across the country.

00:42:30.000 So what would you rather be the kind of Republicanism that is making waves across the country?

00:42:35.000 Dan Crenshaw or President Trump tweeting about fires?

00:42:38.000 The fires in California, where I live, are really quite awful.

00:42:41.000 They've now expanded all the way from Thousand Oaks out to the coast.

00:42:44.000 They've burned all the way down to the water, taking a bunch of houses where they burned out Malibu.

00:42:48.000 They're moving toward Woodland Hills right now.

00:42:50.000 There are 40 mile per hour winds that have really been kicking.

00:42:53.000 I mean, like you can see, it looks like a mushroom cloud.

00:42:56.000 I mean, you can actually see the clouds from my house, like Russia from Sarah Palin's house.

00:42:59.000 But you can actually see the clouds in the sky and the ashes falling from the sky.

00:43:03.000 In the midst of that, President Trump tweeted out, there is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California, except that forest management is so poor.

00:43:12.000 Billions of dollars are given each year with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagements of the forest.

00:43:16.000 Remedy now or no more Fed payments.

00:43:20.000 Is that useful in any conceivable way?

00:43:22.000 Of course not.

00:43:23.000 Of course that's not useful in any conceivable way.

00:43:25.000 If he wants to change federal forest management policies, he's the President of the United States, he certainly can do that.

00:43:30.000 If he wants to negotiate behind the scenes with Jerry Brown in California, and try to structure how exactly California handles its wildlife management, he can do that too.

00:43:38.000 But the reality of the situation is that two-thirds of the lands, of the public lands in California, are run by the federal government directly, and another two-thirds, after that, are run by private foundations.

00:43:48.000 So, it's not just that the state of California was incompetent, and therefore President Trump can do this sort of stuff.

00:43:53.000 If President Trump put down the phone, honest to God, if he put down the phone, if somehow we found a way to drain his battery, or if we constructed, as I've suggested to the White House, a separate Twitter app that allows him to tweet out, but it's actually a closed app, so it doesn't actually go anywhere, it just feeds him back statistics about retweets, and a bunch of things like, Maga, you're doing great, and he's all happy all day.

00:44:13.000 Like, that would be the best way to do it, because When he punches publicly, sometimes it's very good.

00:44:17.000 But as I've said, literally since the day he announced, the man is a hammer in search of a nail.

00:44:21.000 Sometimes he gets a nail, sometimes he gets a baby.

00:44:22.000 And if you get a baby too often, it turns out people don't like it.

00:44:25.000 And people are going to make people who are allied with you pay the price for it.

00:44:28.000 We are a very polarized country right now.

00:44:31.000 96% of all seats that Hillary Clinton won by more than seven went Democrat in the last election. 0.97

00:44:35.000 More than 96% of all seats Trump won by more than seven went Republican in the last election.

00:44:39.000 There are no more swing districts, or at least very, very few swing districts.

00:44:42.000 That means Republicans don't have A lot of room for error.

00:44:45.000 Okay, time for a thing I like and then a couple of things that I hate.

00:44:49.000 So, things that I like today.

00:44:52.000 Over the weekend, I was reading a very good book on sports called The Last Pass about Bob Cousy, Bill Russell, and the things that matter.

00:44:59.000 It's a really good biography of Bob Cousy.

00:45:02.000 If you're a basketball fan, it's kind of fun to read.

00:45:03.000 I like reading sports books a lot, and this one is particularly good.

00:45:07.000 Also, while I like this book, there's something I like even more, and that is Trumpy Bear.

00:45:12.000 So I was not aware of Trumpy Bear.

00:45:14.000 Trumpy Bear is a new one to me.

00:45:15.000 But on Twitter this morning, Trumpy Bear started making the rounds.

00:45:18.000 The storm is coming.

00:45:20.000 You cannot defeat the storm.

00:45:21.000 I am the storm, the great American grizzly.

00:45:25.000 God bless America, and God bless Trumpy Bear.

00:45:28.000 Just find the secret zipper and pull out the American flag themed blanket.

00:45:32.000 Then wrap yourself in the red, white, and blue for comfort and warmth.

00:45:36.000 Show your patriotism and proudly display Trumpy on any American holiday.

00:45:39.000 God bless America and God bless Trumpy Bear.

00:45:43.000 Trumpy Bear loves to cruise with his brother.

00:45:45.000 I'm a former Marine and I'm proud to have Trumpy Bear ride by my side.

00:45:49.000 When I ride with Trumpy Bear, he makes my golf game great again.

00:45:53.000 Thank you, Trumpy Bear!

00:45:54.000 Simply style his trademark hair and place him in his favorite chair.

00:45:57.000 Even the toughest guys will love Trumpy Bear.

00:46:00.000 Order the Super Plus Trumpy Bear for only two payments of $19.95.

00:46:04.000 Now, I'll acknowledge, when I first saw this, I imagined immediately this was an SNL skit, right?

00:46:07.000 I mean, there's no way to watch that, and that was an actual commercial that ran on Fox News.

00:46:11.000 And I will admit, I want to buy it, right?

00:46:14.000 I mean, I want to, and you have to admire American ingenuity. 1.00

00:46:17.000 I mean, this is a great, stupid country. 1.00

00:46:18.000 I mean, it's a great country. 1.00

00:46:20.000 That bear is worth approximately $7.95.

00:46:23.000 They're selling it for two payments of $19.95.

00:46:27.000 So with shipping, I looked it up today because I was thinking Secret Santa gift for Christmas office party.

00:46:32.000 That'd be good, right?

00:46:33.000 $56 for a bear.

00:46:36.000 With a flag in the back.

00:46:37.000 But at least you get to own the libs, I guess.

00:46:39.000 I do love it.

00:46:41.000 It appeals to so many terrible things that are happening right now in the country.

00:46:46.000 It appeals to the idea that President Trump is the country, President Trump is patriotism, the flag that comes out of the back.

00:46:53.000 You have to get it as a gag gift for a Democrat, I assume.

00:46:56.000 But the fact that they thought that there was an audience for that, that would actually see that...

00:47:01.000 I would buy it out of irony, right?

00:47:03.000 I would imagine most people buy this out of ironic love for it because the commercial is so over the top.

00:47:08.000 But there are a certain number of people who, if you buy that, if you bought Trumpy Bear out of irony, out of not irony, if you bought it sincerely, Please, re-examine your life.

00:47:19.000 Hey, if you bought Trumpy Bear because you were sincere about your love for Trumpy Bear, and because you think that, like, there are firemen who drive around with Trumpy Bear in the back of the fire truck, in all sincerity, please.

00:47:29.000 Just, wow.

00:47:31.000 Wow.

00:47:31.000 But, good for capitalism.

00:47:32.000 We can make money off anything in this country.

00:47:34.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:47:40.000 Okay, so thing number one, Sam Donaldson, who apparently he put on a toupee in 1985 and now it's too late to make the change.

00:47:48.000 Sam Donaldson was talking about President Trump's base and he says Trumpism will never be a majority.

00:47:54.000 He's on CNN talking about all of this and it was not great.

00:48:00.000 His small base, and I think they're a minority, who believe if the Nazis and the protesters are on both sides, there are good people on both sides, his small base is not going to run this country.

00:48:10.000 They don't now, and they never will.

00:48:12.000 That is some wild hair.

00:48:14.000 Well, the reason that I bring this up is because I actually met Sam Donaldson at like the 2012 RNC in Tampa.

00:48:19.000 And he was wandering around.

00:48:20.000 He was then doing an opinion show for ABC News Radio.

00:48:24.000 And I walked up to him and I said to him, so do you hold the same opinions now that you did back in the 1980s when you were being a reporter, Sam Donaldson?

00:48:30.000 He said, yes.

00:48:31.000 And I said, well, so were you lying then or are you lying now?

00:48:34.000 I mean, you said you were an objective journalist then.

00:48:37.000 And now you say you're an opinion guy.

00:48:38.000 So which is it?

00:48:40.000 And he got very angry at me.

00:48:41.000 Those eyebrows started coming at me out of the dark.

00:48:43.000 And he said, and I'm not a man who can rip another man's eyebrows usually, but Sam Donaldson has me trumped.

00:48:50.000 And Sam Donaldson, he says, so do you think that you're better than I am?

00:48:53.000 You think you're more honest than I am?

00:48:54.000 I said, well, yeah, I do actually, because I'm pretty upfront about where I stand on these issues.

00:48:58.000 And you lied about it for 20, 30 years of your career while covering President Trump.

00:49:03.000 The fact that Sam Donaldson is being brought on as an analyst on mainstream media networks is evidence of all of this.

00:49:09.000 And it is demonstrative, again, of why President Trump does still have an enormous amount of appeal, specifically to his base.

00:49:16.000 President Trump's number one opposition is not the Democrats.

00:49:19.000 His number one opposition is not even foreign adversaries in many ways.

00:49:22.000 His number one opposition is the media, and that's because the media are constantly shifting the narrative about him.

00:49:27.000 Now, I don't believe in the language, enemy of the people, that he uses, because I just don't like that language.

00:49:31.000 It has bad historical antecedents, but When President Trump talks about the remarkable unity of goal and rhetoric from the members of the press, he is not wrong about any of that.

00:49:42.000 He is exactly right, in fact, about all of it.

00:49:44.000 And Sam Donaldson, who was the most championed reporter of the 1980s, he was the guy.

00:49:49.000 He was the key reporter of the 1980s.

00:49:50.000 He was standing up to Ronald Reagan.

00:49:52.000 He was no different than Jim Acosta.

00:49:55.000 He just had weirder eyebrows.

00:49:57.000 Meanwhile, on CNN, speaking of people who look like inanimate objects, Chris Cuomo, who is a block of wood, Because that's what you do when you offer thoughts and prayers.

00:50:07.000 You mock those who lost loved ones because if you gave it any thought at all, you would never walk away from any of these without figuring out a better way to deal with them.

00:50:12.000 in mainstream media.

00:50:13.000 Because that's what you do when you offer thoughts and prayers.

00:50:17.000 You mock those who lost loved ones because if you gave it any thought at all, you would never walk away from any of these without figuring out a better way to deal with them.

00:50:28.000 And prayer?

00:50:29.000 You think leaving it to God is the answer?

00:50:32.000 We pray for strength, we pray for wisdom, for resolve.

00:50:35.000 But we clearly don't want to act on any of those here, so what are you praying for?

00:50:40.000 What would it take?

00:50:41.000 How about a stadium full of children of the most influential people in our society, all holding puppies? 0.93

00:50:48.000 What if they were all shot and killed?

00:50:49.000 Would we act? 1.00

00:50:50.000 Oh, don't be ridiculous to suggest something like that. 0.96

00:50:52.000 Is it? 0.99

00:50:53.000 Is it ridiculous? 0.98

00:50:55.000 More ridiculous than doing nothing? 0.98

00:50:57.000 Yes, it is ridiculous suggesting that things would radically change if there were a stadium full of five-year-olds holding teddy bears who were shot, that this would suddenly change everything. 0.99

00:51:04.000 Yes, that's ridiculous. 0.95

00:51:05.000 Number one, because that's not going to happen. 0.99

00:51:07.000 And number two, because the insanity of Chris Cuomo sitting there and suggesting that there's a whole group of people in the United States who don't care if children get killed because we want to keep our guns is disgusting.

00:51:16.000 You want to know where the passion for Trump comes from?

00:51:18.000 You want to know where the passion from the right comes from?

00:51:20.000 It comes from watching people like Chris Cuomo more than anything else.

00:51:23.000 When people like Chris Cuomo sit there and lecture us about how we don't care enough about dead kids, and so thoughts and prayers are useless, he has not yet named a single policy that he could promulgate that would stop the mass shooting that happened in California.

00:51:34.000 It was done not with an AR-15, but with a handgun.

00:51:36.000 There are already laws on the books in California that would have allowed the shooter's mother to go to the police and try to have his guns removed from him. 1.00

00:51:43.000 Laws were already present in the state of California for universal background checks, for 10-day waiting periods.

00:51:48.000 It's a may-grant state in terms of concealed carry licenses.

00:51:53.000 California is the number one gun-controlled state in America.

00:51:55.000 There was a mass shooting there and Chris Cuomo says, this is obviously due to lack of will.

00:51:59.000 The NRA is not even operative in the state of California.

00:52:01.000 Gun owners have a minority viewpoint in the state of California.

00:52:04.000 It doesn't matter one iota when it comes to mass shootings.

00:52:06.000 We've had five serious mass shootings in the last six years in the state of California.

00:52:10.000 When Chris Cuomo tries to suggest that everybody Okay, well, we will be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

00:52:17.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:17.000 is merely delaying policymaking.

00:52:20.000 When they say thoughts and prayers, it is deeply, deeply insulting to religious people who actually believe in prayer and is deeply insulting to everybody who disagrees with him on policy, who may not believe that his preferred solutions are either effective at stopping mass shootings or at minimizing the extent of those shootings when the damage becomes known.

00:52:37.000 Okay, well, we will be back here tomorrow with all the latest.

00:52:39.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:40.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - November 12, 2018

The Future Of Politics | Ep. 658

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