The Ben Shapiro Show - The Harvard Auto-Da-Fe | Ep. 802

00:00:00.000 Harvard withdraws admission from Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv.

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00:01:48.000 Okay, so breaking news this morning.

00:01:51.000 A kid who I have found to be strong, resilient, and classy, Kyle Kashuv, who is a Parkland survivor, is now being smacked by Harvard.

00:01:59.000 He was admitted to Harvard, and now he has been rejected from Harvard.

00:02:02.000 Now, I knew about this, honestly speaking, a couple of weeks ago.

00:02:04.000 Kyle told me about this a couple of weeks ago when it first happened.

00:02:07.000 He sort of asked my advice on how to navigate it.

00:02:10.000 I'll tell you the whole story and what exactly happened to Kyle starting from the beginning. 0.97

00:02:14.000 So, today, he announced on Twitter that Harvard University had withdrawn his admission from the school over the revelation of racist, offensive, idiotic posts written on a private Google document with friends when he was 16 years old. 0.97

00:02:27.000 So back when Kyle was 16, before the Parkland shooting ever occurred, he was on a Google Doc with a bunch of his supposed friends, a private Google Doc, and he dropped the N-word and a bunch of other disgusting, nasty references. 1.00

00:02:39.000 Now, this is something, not to make excuses for bad things, but this is something that 16-year-olds sometimes do because 16-year-olds are stupid. 1.00

00:02:47.000 Everyone knows 16-year-olds are dumb. 0.99

00:02:49.000 16-year-olds do not have fully developed prefrontal cortices, they are not geniuses, or at least if they are geniuses, they're geniuses for 16-year-olds. 0.98

00:02:56.000 But, if you are a kind of person who would like everything that you did when you were 16 said in public or private, re-earthed, re-unearthed every time something good happened to you, well then you'll love this story.

00:03:08.000 So, Kyle put all this stuff on a private Google document with supposed friends.

00:03:13.000 Then the Parkland shooting happens, and Kyle becomes a very outspoken advocate for the Second Amendment, a very heavily publicized figure, particularly on the right.

00:03:22.000 On the left, there are a bunch of heavily publicized figures from Parkland, ranging from, I think her name was Emily Gonzalez, to David Hogg, obviously.

00:03:30.000 Cameron Kasky, who we had on the Sunday special to talk about Parkland.

00:03:34.000 And so there are a bunch of these survivors, and many of them handle fame well.

00:03:37.000 Some of them don't handle fame as well, but they're all kids, right?

00:03:40.000 These are all people who are 17, 18 years old at the most.

00:03:43.000 Well, Kyle Kashuv is one of these people.

00:03:46.000 And he spends a couple of years basically going around with various other members of the Parkland class and trying to develop school safety initiatives.

00:03:54.000 So he meets with a bunch of senators on both left and right.

00:03:57.000 He meets the President of the United States.

00:03:58.000 He becomes this very prominent figure.

00:04:00.000 Now Kyle also has impeccable academic credentials.

00:04:03.000 So Kyle graduated second in his class.

00:04:05.000 His class is several hundred people.

00:04:06.000 He had a weighted GPA of something like 5.4, and he scored 50 and 50 on his SATs.

00:04:13.000 His academic credentials were thoroughly in order, so he applies to Harvard, and he gets in.

00:04:17.000 And after he gets in, some of the kids who he was on that Google private doc thread with back when he was 16, when he said all these terrible things, decide to now drop all of that.

00:04:27.000 And our journalistic institutions decide to go all in on this.

00:04:31.000 Will Sommer, who I think is one of the worst gotcha artists in the media.

00:04:35.000 I mean, he does this for a living.

00:04:37.000 He sort of trolls Twitter for moments to attack folks.

00:04:41.000 Over at the Daily Beast, he prints an article a couple of weeks ago, it was like May 23rd, so about a month ago now, called, Pro-Gun Parkland Team Kyle Kashuv Apologizes for Inflammatory Racial Comments.

00:04:52.000 And Kyle had gone ahead and done that.

00:04:55.000 He had called me after he said this stuff is resurfacing, and I said, you should come forward.

00:04:58.000 You should explain to everybody that you apologize and that you never meant any of this stuff.

00:05:03.000 If you didn't mean any of this stuff, you should explain where you were coming from.

00:05:06.000 And what Kyle said is that, like many 16-year-olds, he fell in with a group of people who were trying to shock each other.

00:05:11.000 If you remember being a 16-year-old boy, very often 16-year-old boys say shocking and terrible things to each other specifically for the shock effect.

00:05:18.000 So, Kyle came out and he made a statement at the time, and Will Sommer and other members of the media covered this as though this was actual news.

00:05:24.000 They covered it as actual news that a 16-year-old said stupid things in a private Google document, and then a lot of his political adversaries decided to go after him on that basis.

00:05:32.000 There are also some members of the so-called alt-right who decided to go after Kashuv. 0.87

00:05:38.000 Some members of sort of the fringy right who decided to go after Kashuv.

00:05:41.000 The reason being that Kashuv had derided the alt-right for their racism.

00:05:45.000 He had said racism is bad, particularly after Parkland.

00:05:48.000 He had said that he was not going to participate in events with people who he perceived as racist.

00:05:53.000 They said, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha.

00:05:54.000 Back when you were 16, you said X. These were adults attacking a kid who was 17, 18 years old at the time.

00:06:01.000 And then they all sent these notes to Harvard's admissions committee.

00:06:06.000 So, Cashew says all this stuff, the Daily Beast reports all of this, and then Harvard gets a hold of it, and then Harvard rescinds his admission.

00:06:14.000 So here is what Kyle explained on Twitter this morning.

00:06:18.000 It's a thread.

00:06:19.000 Harvard rescinded my acceptance.

00:06:20.000 Three months after being admitted to Harvard Class of 2023, Harvard has decided to rescind my admission over texts and comments made nearly two years ago, months prior to the shooting.

00:06:29.000 I have some thoughts.

00:06:30.000 Here's what happened.

00:06:31.000 A few weeks ago, I was made aware of egregious and callous comments classmates and I made privately years ago, when I was 16 years old, months before the shooting, in an attempt to be as extreme and shocking as possible.

00:06:40.000 I immediately apologized, and he did, in fact, issue an apology.

00:06:45.000 By the way, side note here.

00:06:47.000 This is a smear job on Kashuv in the sense that there are a bunch of other 16 year olds in the chat.

00:06:51.000 Have you seen any of their names appearing in public media?

00:06:54.000 Have you seen any of the other 16 year olds who said similarly disgusting and outrageous things?

00:06:59.000 Have you seen any of them been shamed out of their college acceptance?

00:07:01.000 Didn't think so.

00:07:02.000 So here's the apology that Kashuv didn't make.

00:07:05.000 I have recently been made aware of screenshots circulating that include offensive comments former classmates and I made a few years ago long before the shooting.

00:07:13.000 I want to address this with honesty and transparency. 0.98

00:07:16.000 We are 16 year olds making idiotic comments using callous and inflammatory language in an effort to be as extreme and shocking as possible. 0.96

00:07:22.000 I'm embarrassed by it, but I want to be clear that the comments I made are not indicative of who I am or who I've become in the years since. 0.98

00:07:28.000 This past year has forced me to mature and grow in an incredibly drastic way.

00:07:32.000 My world, like everyone else's in Parkland, was turned upside down on February 14th.

00:07:35.000 When your classmates, your teachers, and your neighbors are killed, it transforms you as a human being.

00:07:39.000 I see the world through different eyes, and I'm embarrassed by the petty, flippant kid represented in those screenshots.

00:07:44.000 I believe those I've gotten to know since know I'm a better person than that.

00:07:48.000 I can and will do better moving forward." That was his original statement.

00:07:52.000 OK.

00:07:53.000 And then he issued the apology.

00:07:54.000 Speculative articles were written.

00:07:56.000 His peers used the opportunity to attack him.

00:07:58.000 This is what he writes.

00:07:58.000 And my life was once again reduced to a headline.

00:08:00.000 It sent me into one of the darkest spirals of my life.

00:08:03.000 After the story broke, former peers and political opponents began contacting Harvard, urging them to rescind me.

00:08:09.000 Sorry, this is disgusting stuff.

00:08:10.000 You're going after a 16-year-old who's now 18 for commenting two years before in a private Google chat and sending it to Harvard administrators in an attempt to ruin his life?

00:08:19.000 This is not an adult.

00:08:21.000 It is a person who was 18 years old and was 16 when these comments were made.

00:08:25.000 And we're now going to go to Harvard and try to have his admission rescinded.

00:08:28.000 On the basis of what?

00:08:29.000 That he can never move beyond that?

00:08:31.000 He can never grow as a person?

00:08:33.000 He can never repent? 0.54

00:08:34.000 We have to now participate in an auto-defay in which we burn Kashuv and people like him at the stake? 0.98

00:08:40.000 There's no forgiveness whatsoever.

00:08:42.000 I mean, Harvard could have done a thousand things here.

00:08:42.000 None.

00:08:44.000 Harvard could have said, listen, those comments were terrible.

00:08:46.000 We look forward to working with you to help you educate yourself about issues that have troubled you in the past.

00:08:51.000 I mean, there are a thousand things they could have done.

00:08:53.000 Harvard has people at Harvard who are ex-convicts.

00:08:57.000 People.

00:08:58.000 who went to prison for actual crimes against other, not saying bad things, not saying mean things, not using racial slurs, who committed actual crimes.

00:09:05.000 Those are people at Harvard.

00:09:06.000 And you know what?

00:09:07.000 That is perfectly appropriate because if you committed a crime and you did the time and you paid your price, then why shouldn't you go to Harvard University?

00:09:14.000 Why not?

00:09:15.000 What exactly is the problem with that?

00:09:17.000 There are lots of people who I'm sure believed a lot of terrible, crazy things when they were 16 years old or said terrible, crazy things when they were 16 years old.

00:09:24.000 And who will say and do crazy and terrible things while they are at Harvard who are not going to be tossed out of Harvard?

00:09:30.000 So Harvard then sent a letter stating that they reserved the right to withdraw an offer of admission and requested a written explanation within 72 hours.

00:09:38.000 They said, Mr. Kashuv, we've become aware of media reports discussing offensive statements allegedly authored by you.

00:09:43.000 As you know, Harvard reserves the right to withdraw an offer of admission under various conditions, including if you engage or have engaged in behavior that brings into question your honesty, maturity, or moral character.

00:09:53.000 OK, now that right there, that statement is insane.

00:09:56.000 If that's the excuse they're using to kick him out, that he engaged or that he engages or has engaged in behavior that brings into question honesty, maturity, or moral character, Has engaged in?

00:10:06.000 So let's say when he was 11, he said the n-word.

00:10:08.000 Okay, so now are we gonna make it that, like, where's the age cutoff here?

00:10:13.000 Really?

00:10:14.000 Especially given the fact that Cashew's been in the public eye for two full-on years after the Parkland shooting, and yet nobody can point to an incident that he's had post that, that evidences this kind of racism or racist behavior.

00:10:31.000 Says on behalf of the Admissions Committee, this is William Fitzsimmons, the Dean of Admissions.

00:10:34.000 A gutless hack.

00:10:35.000 On behalf of the Admissions Committee, we write now to ask you to send us a full accounting of any such statements you have authored, including not only those discussed in the media, but any others as well.

00:10:43.000 Please also provide a written explanation of your actions for the Committee's consideration.

00:10:47.000 Please email these materials to us by no later than 10 a.m., Tuesday, May 28th.

00:10:51.000 And they sent this to him on May 24th.

00:10:52.000 So they wanted him to come up with a full list and they wanted a full mea culpa by May 28th.

00:10:59.000 So Kashuv complied and he wrote a letter.

00:11:02.000 And here is what the letter said.

00:11:04.000 It said, let me first state, it says, let me first state that I apologize unequivocally for my comments, which were made two years ago in private among equally immature high school students.

00:11:13.000 In the attached document, I've attached all the comments I've been able to record.

00:11:16.000 I do not have access to the electronic record of that conversation, and do not recall other things that may have been said.

00:11:20.000 I have only seen what has appeared in the media. 0.96

00:11:22.000 I take full responsibility for the idiotic and hurtful things I wrote two years ago. 0.98

00:11:25.000 I make absolutely no excuse for those comments. 0.93

00:11:27.000 I said them, I regret them, and by explaining the context and my subsequent experiences, I am not trying to excuse them.

00:11:33.000 Instead, I am seeking to demonstrate the hurtful things I said do not represent the man I am today.

00:11:37.000 I understand Harvard's concern over these offensive statements from my past, and I further understand that Harvard has been contacted about them by people expressing concern about them.

00:11:45.000 I am very sorry to have put the College in this position.

00:11:47.000 I am determined to take whatever steps are necessary to rectify this past wrong and to reassure Harvard of my commitment to values of tolerance, diversity, and inclusion, which I hope to advance as a member of the Class of 2024.

00:11:59.000 This is the context in which I made these comments.

00:12:01.000 While this does not excuse my comments, I made poor choices with a group in which those words bore little weight and were used only in a means for their shock value.

00:12:08.000 I bore no racial animus.

00:12:09.000 The context was a group of adolescents trying to use the worst words and say the most insane things imaginable.

00:12:14.000 Until these writings were disclosed, I had long forgotten about them.

00:12:16.000 While I will forever bear incredible shame for typing them, I especially feel remorse now that they've been made public, knowing they have caused terrible pain to people I care about.

00:12:23.000 I gave no consideration to the meaning and weight of the words I wrote in an effort to impress then-friends and classmates, and looking back, I know clearly now I wrote terrible things I can never unwrite.

00:12:32.000 My intent was never to hurt anyone.

00:12:34.000 To do so would have magnified the harm immensely.

00:12:36.000 I also feel I am no longer the same person, especially in the aftermath of the Parkland shooting and all that has transpired since.

00:12:41.000 In a second, I'll read you the end of Kyle's response to Harvard's request for a mea culpa.

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00:14:02.000 OK, so Kyle continues in this letter back to Harvard.

00:14:06.000 He says my intent was never to hurt anyone.

00:14:08.000 To do so would have magnified the harm immensely.

00:14:10.000 I also feel I am no longer the same person, especially in the aftermath of the Parkland shooting and all that has transpired since.

00:14:15.000 I had to mature, not only to address that horrible situation, but to fulfill my new role as a school safety activist.

00:14:21.000 I have tried hard to be a better man in honor of the friends I lost, and I believe I have grown and matured significantly through this experience.

00:14:26.000 I am proud of some of the things I have accomplished in the wake of that tragedy, and I do not recognize the person who wrote those things.

00:14:31.000 When I was reminded of the writings, I was mortified and embarrassed.

00:14:34.000 My parents raised me to be better than what is represented in these screenshots from about two years ago.

00:14:38.000 In an effort to be as honest and transparent as possible, I immediately apologized publicly when reminded of these messages, while knowing the media uproar that would ensue.

00:14:46.000 It did ensue, and I have continued to accept responsibility and the resulting legitimate criticism.

00:14:50.000 As you know, I intend to take a gap year before beginning my studies to continue my work promoting school safety.

00:14:55.000 I will continue to mature, and will enter Harvard with three years and many life experiences between the foolish child who said those things and the man I am today.

00:15:01.000 As an aspiring member of the Harvard community, I aspire to the values that the community strives to uphold.

00:15:06.000 Therefore, I have already written to the Harvard College of Diversity, Education, and Support, both to express my deepest apologies and remorse, and to reach out to begin a dialogue that I hope will be the foundation of future growth.

00:15:15.000 While I am no longer the same person who wrote those comments, there is always more to learn, especially about the legacy of racism in our society.

00:15:21.000 Thank you again for this opportunity to address these issues.

00:15:24.000 I hope this fully addresses your concerns, but if not, I would be happy to provide any further information or discussion you require.

00:15:29.000 Okay, so that's the letter that Kashuv wrote back to them.

00:15:32.000 And then, he also sent a letter to the Office of Diversity.

00:15:35.000 I'll read that to you in a second.

00:15:38.000 Cashew doesn't just respond to Harvard admissions asking for some sort of justification with what I think is a very classy letter taking full blame for what he did, but also recognizing that he has grown as a human being since he was 16 years old and saw his friends shot.

00:15:54.000 And then he issued another letter, this one to the Office of Diversity.

00:15:57.000 Quote, to Harvard College Office of Diversity and Support.

00:16:01.000 Around two years ago, when I was 16 years old, before the mass shooting that occurred at my high school, Marjorie Stoneman Douglas, I was part of a group in which we used abhorrent racial slurs.

00:16:08.000 We did so out of misplaced sense of humor.

00:16:10.000 We treated the words themselves as though they bore little weight and used them only for their shock value.

00:16:15.000 Looking back two years later, I cannot recognize that person.

00:16:18.000 I make absolutely no excuse for those comments.

00:16:20.000 I regret them deeply.

00:16:20.000 I said them.

00:16:21.000 I bore no racial animus whatsoever.

00:16:23.000 The context was a group of adolescents trying to use the worst words and say the most insane things imaginable.

00:16:28.000 My intent was never to hurt anyone." And then he continues along the same lines as his original letter to the admissions committee.

00:16:36.000 On June 3rd, they write back to him.

00:16:38.000 They say, Dear Mr. Cashew, thank you for your response to our letter of May 24th.

00:16:41.000 The admissions committee has discussed at length your accounts of the communications about which we asked, and we appreciated your candor and your expressions of regret for sending them.

00:16:48.000 As you know, the committee takes seriously the qualities of maturity and moral character.

00:16:52.000 After careful consideration, the committee voted to rescind your admission to Harvard College.

00:16:56.000 We are sorry about the circumstances that have led us to withdraw your admission, and we wish you success in your future academic endeavors and beyond. 0.99

00:17:02.000 So in other words, you're an irredeemable racist, and now we are going to ensure that you don't get into Harvard College and that you're smeared as such for the rest of your life because your political opponents unearthed stuff from when you were 16 years old that you said when you were young and stupid. 0.99

00:17:15.000 Congratulations. 1.00

00:17:16.000 Your academic life has basically been ruined.

00:17:18.000 By the way, I've spoken with Kyle.

00:17:21.000 What Kyle told me is that he turned down a full ride from NYU.

00:17:25.000 So he turned down hundreds of thousands of dollars in foregone student debt so that he could attend Harvard College.

00:17:31.000 So they waited until after that to reject his admission.

00:17:33.000 By the way, he got a letter the same day from the Office of Diversity and Inclusion saying, quote, Hello, Kyle.

00:17:39.000 I hope this message finds you well.

00:17:40.000 Thank you for your email.

00:17:41.000 We appreciate your thoughtful reflections and look forward to connecting with you upon your matriculation in the fall of 2020.

00:17:47.000 In the interim, I encourage you to search online for different ways to connect to local organizations and resources within your community.

00:17:52.000 Have a wonderful day!

00:17:53.000 Best, Grace, Harvard College Dean of Students Office, Office of Diversity, Education, and Support.

00:17:58.000 So, excellent job, Harvard.

00:18:00.000 Your own diversity office is like, OK, they did the mature thing.

00:18:03.000 We look forward to seeing you here.

00:18:04.000 We hope that you've learned and grown, and we look forward to teaching you.

00:18:07.000 Harvard Admissions Committee rejected him, expelled him, effectively speaking.

00:18:12.000 Hey, after receiving Harvard's letter, Cashew then responded by asking for an opportunity to make his case face-to-face and work toward any possible path toward reconciliation, and they said no.

00:18:23.000 They said, "Thank you for your correspondence.

00:18:24.000 We understand this outcome is disappointing.

00:18:26.000 Please be aware the admissions committee carefully and thoroughly considered your application reaching its determination.

00:18:31.000 Decisions of the admissions committee are final.

00:18:33.000 We wish you the best." So I have a couple of notes about Harvard University.

00:18:37.000 One, Harvard University is currently embroiled in a scandal where they have been rejecting Asian applicants on the basis of their race.

00:18:45.000 Okay, that is a decision of the admissions committee.

00:18:47.000 So the admissions committee is racist enough that they are rejecting Asian applicants on the basis of their race alone.

00:18:53.000 They're in the middle of a lawsuit about this right now.

00:18:57.000 But if a kid said something when he was 16 years old and is demonstrated, full scale, that not only is he remorseful, but that's not who he is as a person, then Harvard deigns to expel him based on unearthed private correspondence from when he was 16 years old.

00:19:11.000 That's number one.

00:19:12.000 Number two, is this a new standard?

00:19:14.000 Like, this is the new standard now, that anybody who has their crap from when they were 16 unearthed and then cast into public view, no matter what they've done since, no matter what they've gone through or what they've become as a person, that person's academic life gets ruined and that person is then smeared across academia.

00:19:32.000 That a person can earn admission to Harvard not on the basis of activism as some of Kyle's classmates did.

00:19:37.000 Let's be real about this.

00:19:39.000 There are certain of Kyle's classmates who did not score appropriately to get into places like Harvard or Columbia, and they are attending places like Harvard and Columbia solely on the basis of their activism.

00:19:47.000 Kyle is not one of those.

00:19:48.000 He finished number two in his class with a 5.4 weighted GPA and a 1550 on his SATs.

00:19:52.000 He gets into Harvard regardless if anything happens at Parkland.

00:19:55.000 And let's be real about this too.

00:19:57.000 If he had not been involved in being a public activist after Parkland, none of this ever comes out.

00:20:03.000 Because none of his political opponents are looking to dig up dirt on him.

00:20:06.000 So he would have gotten into Harvard regardless.

00:20:08.000 And none of this ever would have come out.

00:20:10.000 And he never would have had to apologize.

00:20:12.000 And he never would have been rejected from admission in the first place.

00:20:15.000 He would have gotten into an Ivy League anyway.

00:20:17.000 He was going to a massive public school, graduated number two out of something like 800 kids in his class.

00:20:22.000 He was going to an Ivy.

00:20:24.000 And now he's been rejected for the crime of having put his face in public.

00:20:27.000 That's really what this is about.

00:20:28.000 If he were not in public, none of this ever comes out.

00:20:31.000 And if you say, well, this is really about who makes these kinds of comments when they are 16 years old. 0.61

00:20:36.000 Yeah, I urge you to go back and look at the crap you said and did when you were 16 years old and think about whether you would want the private, not even the public stuff, which is bad enough, I'm sure.

00:20:44.000 The private stuff that you said unearthed and then cast before the world view, the world's view, and you being given no grace at all. 0.96

00:20:53.000 That's the new standard.

00:20:54.000 By the way, this is not about Kyle being conservative for me.

00:20:57.000 I've worked with many of the Parkland survivors, several of them.

00:21:00.000 Cameron Caskey was on my show.

00:21:01.000 As I say, Cameron disagrees with me on gun rights.

00:21:04.000 I would absolutely defend Cameron the same way.

00:21:06.000 I have defended people on the left in the exact same way.

00:21:09.000 Sarah Zhang, who's a columnist for the New York Times, with whom I heartily disagree on politics, said vile things on Twitter. 0.99

00:21:16.000 People unearthed it when she was hired by the New York Times.

00:21:18.000 I said she shouldn't even lose her job, and she was an adult when she said those things, and she said them publicly on Twitter, not privately when she was 16 years old.

00:21:25.000 When James Gunn, the director of the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise, was targeted by online activists with old tweets, where people were looking through his old tweets and they found bad old jokes that he had told publicly about molesting children.

00:21:39.000 I said he should not be fired.

00:21:41.000 This was bad old stuff.

00:21:42.000 He had apologized for it in the past.

00:21:44.000 Also, it was comedy.

00:21:47.000 And I defended him too.

00:21:48.000 This is not about Kyle being conservative.

00:21:50.000 I will tell you what is about Kyle being conservative.

00:21:52.000 The left targeting Kyle is about him being conservative.

00:21:55.000 Because I promise you, if Kyle were on the left, none of this ever sees the light of day.

00:21:59.000 Nobody on the left unearths it.

00:22:00.000 Nobody covers it in the media.

00:22:02.000 If this had happened to David Hogg, the entire media infrastructure activates in order to defend him.

00:22:07.000 When Laura Ingraham committed the grave sin of suggesting that David Hogg was spoiled, boycotts were started against her program based on media coverage of Ingraham.

00:22:17.000 With Kashuv, his political opponents from high school, his high school quote-unquote friends, target him.

00:22:24.000 And the Daily Beast runs full piece.

00:22:25.000 It wasn't just the Daily Beast, by the way.

00:22:26.000 Huffington Post ran a piece, I believe.

00:22:28.000 A bunch of outlets did.

00:22:29.000 And then everybody descends on Harvard to try and get this kid's admission revoked.

00:22:33.000 That's disgusting enough.

00:22:34.000 What Harvard did is even worse.

00:22:36.000 Harvard is a place, supposedly, of education.

00:22:38.000 My alma mater, Harvard Law School.

00:22:39.000 I'm ashamed of that school today.

00:22:41.000 I'm ashamed of my alma mater.

00:22:44.000 I'm ashamed, and I'm not the only one.

00:22:45.000 I know a bunch of folks who went to Harvard, Harvard Law School, who are deeply ashamed of that institution, and they damn well should be.

00:22:52.000 I'll explain more in just a second.

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00:24:07.000 OK, so back to Harvard's standards here.

00:24:09.000 So again, the new Harvard standard is if your political opponents dig up something that you said privately when you were 16 years old and then dump it in front of the Harvard Admissions Committee and you happen to be conservative and it happens to be something terrible, And it doesn't matter what you've done since, then Harvard will get rid of you.

00:24:25.000 They have ex-cons there, right?

00:24:27.000 Ex-convicts, which is perfectly appropriate. 0.97

00:24:29.000 By the way, I am sure that if we start going through the social media posts of everybody who's been at Harvard for the past several years, I promise you there's some real ugly crap there.

00:24:37.000 And that's just social media, not what they've been saying privately.

00:24:39.000 Again, this wasn't even public, this was private.

00:24:42.000 This is an insane standard no one can uphold, but it shows the absolute gutlessness of the Harvard administration.

00:24:48.000 Let us all recall that Elizabeth Warren, now a leading contender for the Democratic nomination for president, spent years claiming she was a Native American and being listed as such in the faculty handbook at Harvard Law School, and she has felt no blowback whatsoever from the Harvard administration.

00:25:01.000 None.

00:25:03.000 None.

00:25:04.000 If you ask them about it today, they will still defend her and pretend that nothing bad happened ever.

00:25:08.000 She lied to them about her own status for years.

00:25:13.000 Lied to them.

00:25:14.000 No problem.

00:25:15.000 Harvard, again, is engaged in an admissions scandal right now in which they have been using racism in order to reject Asian candidates.

00:25:22.000 Maybe they found out Kyle was Asian.

00:25:24.000 That was the problem.

00:25:26.000 Harvard has a long history of racism and anti-Semitism.

00:25:30.000 Harvard has a long history of discrimination.

00:25:33.000 But you know what, as Kyle points out, he says, I believe institutions and people can grow.

00:25:38.000 I've said that repeatedly.

00:25:39.000 Throughout its history, Harvard's faculty has included slave owners, segregationists, bigots, and anti-Semites.

00:25:44.000 If Harvard is suggesting that growth is impossible and that our past defines our future, then Harvard is an inherently racist institution.

00:25:50.000 But I don't believe that.

00:25:51.000 In the end, this isn't about me.

00:25:52.000 It's about whether we live in a society in which forgiveness is possible or mistakes brand new is irredeemable, as Harvard has decided for me.

00:25:58.000 So what now, says Kyle?

00:26:00.000 I'm figuring it out.

00:26:01.000 I'd given up huge scholarships in order to go to Harvard, and the deadline for accepting other college offers has ended.

00:26:05.000 I'm exploring all options at the moment.

00:26:08.000 I mean, what a disaster for Harvard.

00:26:10.000 And unfortunately, this is what Harvard has become.

00:26:14.000 Harvard is now a member of the woke, scold brigade. 1.00

00:26:18.000 They are run by SJW idiots. 1.00

00:26:20.000 They have been, by the way, even when I was there. 1.00

00:26:22.000 And they were trying to get rid of Larry Summers as dean because Larry Summers had the temerity to suggest that there are natural differences between men and women.

00:26:30.000 That was enough to get him rejected.

00:26:31.000 And of course, over the past few weeks, we've seen the case of Ronald Sullivan.

00:26:36.000 A black leftist member of Harvard Law School's faculty, who has acted as a defense lawyer in a bevy of cases, acted as a defense lawyer for Harvey Weinstein, and ended up getting his deanship of a residential hall canceled on him.

00:26:51.000 Harvard is no longer an educational institution.

00:26:54.000 It is an institution of tyrannical overlordship based on politics. 1.00

00:27:01.000 It's ridiculous.

00:27:03.000 Because what you would assume is that this is a place where you would come to be educated again. 0.95

00:27:07.000 Let's say that you just had a student, you know, a random student, and the student had racist views at Harvard.

00:27:12.000 Wouldn't it be Harvard's job as a school to try and train that student out of the racist views? 0.99

00:27:17.000 Wouldn't it be Harvard's job as a school to try and work with, especially if the student expressed interest, to try and work with the student to educate the student beyond the stupidity? 0.99

00:27:25.000 Wouldn't that be the idea? 0.97

00:27:26.000 I mean, where better to go than to an educational institution that is capable of educating people out of bad ideas?

00:27:34.000 It's funny, I was reading a book over the weekend.

00:27:37.000 By a guy who we'll have on our program.

00:27:40.000 His name escapes me at the moment.

00:27:42.000 It's Jamil Javalni, I believe.

00:27:45.000 Jamil Javalni.

00:27:47.000 He has a great new book called Why Young Men, about why young men become violent, become terrorists, why they become criminals very often.

00:27:53.000 And Jamil Javalni grew up in Toronto.

00:27:55.000 He was the son of effectively a single mother, mixed race background.

00:27:59.000 His father was black, his mother was white. 0.99

00:28:01.000 And he talked about how as he grew up, He inculcated all of these ridiculous and insane views. 0.98

00:28:07.000 I mean, he actually fell in with the Nation of Islam at one point. 0.98

00:28:10.000 He fell in with the Five Percenters, who are a bunch of racist folks. 0.96

00:28:13.000 And then he ended up, because he was a gifted guy, he ended up scoring well on his LSATs and going to Yale Law School.

00:28:19.000 And in the process of that education, he learned that a lot of these ideas were wrong.

00:28:23.000 Because this is one of the things that happens when you go to an educational institution.

00:28:26.000 It is designed to educate you, to give you new information and perspectives you hadn't thought about.

00:28:31.000 Now imagine if Yale Law School had said to Jamil Javani, you know what?

00:28:35.000 You know, we see that you were once a member of the Nation of Islam.

00:28:35.000 No.

00:28:37.000 You can't get in.

00:28:38.000 We're done here.

00:28:39.000 Sorry.

00:28:40.000 You said that you were a member of the Nation of Islam, and that means that you are irredeemable and you can never change in any way, even though you are 18 years old. 1.00

00:28:46.000 20 years old.

00:28:49.000 Well, that's what Harvard has done here.

00:28:51.000 Mainly because they were afraid of the blowback from the social justice warriors.

00:28:54.000 They were afraid, I am sure, that the Black Student Association was going to descend on the doors of the Dean of Admissions office and protest and make them look bad.

00:29:00.000 And then it would be, Harvard admits racist. 0.85

00:29:02.000 Harvard admits racist.

00:29:04.000 That was going to be how the media covered it.

00:29:05.000 So Harvard was scared of the same media that is despicable enough to say that a 16-year-old in private conversation saying a bad thing for which he apologizes and then spends years trying to live down.

00:29:17.000 That media was interested in bullying Harvard, that's why those articles came out in the first place, and Harvard caved because they have no spine.

00:29:24.000 That's the story of our social justice day and age.

00:29:27.000 A media that is not a media, that is not a journalistic institution.

00:29:30.000 There are pseudo-journalists who are actually activists, who are determined to use institutional power to club everyone else into submission, and a bunch of administrators at these various institutions who are willing to cave in because they don't want the pressure.

00:29:43.000 Harvard made a very simple decision here.

00:29:45.000 This is not about principle.

00:29:46.000 Because the principle is unlivable.

00:29:48.000 This is a very simple decision by Harvard University.

00:29:50.000 The decision is, we would rather cave in to the woke-skulled media and their allies, these pseudo-journalist activists, and their activist friends.

00:29:58.000 We'd rather cave in to them than stand up for a principle of academic freedom and repentance.

00:30:05.000 This is dangerous stuff for the country.

00:30:08.000 So here's what I'm suggesting.

00:30:09.000 If you are a Harvard alum today, you should seriously consider withdrawing your donations to Harvard.

00:30:16.000 I've never been a donor to Harvard Law.

00:30:19.000 I might have considered it at one point.

00:30:20.000 They are not getting any donation from me, that's for damn sure.

00:30:22.000 And if you are an alum from Harvard, you should think seriously about whether your money ought to go to an institution that decides that 16-year-olds are irredeemable based on private posts that are unearthed by political opponents two years after the fact in order to hurt them.

00:30:36.000 And the admissions committee goes along with that.

00:30:39.000 I would also suggest that media members, if you want to do some digging, if you're not just activists, if you're just concerned about people in positions of power who are maybe holding bad views, maybe your job should be not to go after 16-year-olds.

00:30:53.000 Maybe your job should be to look at Harvard's admissions committee and find out what exactly they have been saying on their social media for years.

00:30:59.000 I noticed that everyone in the Harvard admissions committee that I could find, I noticed that all of them had their social media accounts locked.

00:30:59.000 Weird.

00:31:05.000 I wonder why that is.

00:31:06.000 I wonder why they've locked those.

00:31:08.000 I mean, don't they want to be transparent and open about their viewpoints?

00:31:11.000 Hmm?

00:31:12.000 Very weird.

00:31:13.000 Very weird.

00:31:14.000 A little bit more on this in a second, and then we'll get to the media engaging in another kind of insanity. 0.72

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00:32:31.000 Okay, so we're going to get to a little bit more on this Harvard insanity.

00:32:34.000 Because I really do think it's indicative of something deeper in American public life that cannot be lived down in something I've talked about a lot.

00:32:40.000 And that is the choice that is now being forced on people.

00:32:44.000 Basically, do not enter public life unless you are shameless, or unless you are willing to let people destroy you. 0.55

00:32:49.000 That's basically the choice that is now being placed before the American public, and it's disgusting.

00:32:53.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:34:05.000 So one of the things that I think is worth pointing out here is the broader standard that has now been established.

00:34:20.000 So we've seen it already with folks like Ralph Northam, that if you do something earlier in your life, at least Northam was like 25 when he was in med school, and took a picture in blackface or a KKK hood.

00:34:30.000 You got to pick one.

00:34:31.000 At least he was 25.

00:34:32.000 So saying that he was doing something racist when he was 25, that's a lot worse than doing something racist when you are 16 years old.

00:34:38.000 But even with that said, I said, even in the middle of the Ralph Northam saga, that if you spend the next 30 years of your life not being a racist, this should weigh into the consideration as to whether you are actually a racist.

00:34:52.000 But what Northam ended up doing is basically saying he wasn't in the photo and now he's able to live this down.

00:34:55.000 So here is what has happened.

00:34:57.000 If Kyle had never, Kyle Kashuv, had never entered the public square, he would have been at Harvard.

00:35:02.000 He did enter the public square, and then he got into Harvard, and then his political opponents targeted him.

00:35:06.000 So what does this say about getting into politics?

00:35:08.000 What does this say about sounding off on matters of public discourse and public opinion?

00:35:12.000 It means that if you have the right opinions, you will be guarded no matter what you do.

00:35:16.000 If you are on the left, you will be guarded by the media no matter what you do.

00:35:20.000 Because, amazing, but people stopped talking about Ralph Northam.

00:35:23.000 Isn't that weird?

00:35:24.000 People just stopped talking about him.

00:35:26.000 It's really crazy.

00:35:27.000 Now, if you're a Republican, they would never stop talking about him, but Ralph Nordham, they all just kind of shook their head and went on with their life.

00:35:32.000 After all, he holds the correct political positions.

00:35:35.000 That's the way this works.

00:35:36.000 If you're Sarah Jean, and you have old racist tweets, everybody just goes, oh, well, you know, that's Sarah.

00:35:41.000 Whatever.

00:35:41.000 That's it.

00:35:42.000 Whatever.

00:35:43.000 If you're James Gunn, everybody eventually moves on, even for James Gunn.

00:35:46.000 If you're on the right, you're forever tarred and feathered.

00:35:49.000 And this double standard only applies to one side, obviously, which is why it is a double standard.

00:35:54.000 But even more importantly than that, if you enter the public square, you know that you will be exposed to scrutiny on everything that you have ever done.

00:36:03.000 And there will be no forgiveness if you have the wrong political perspective, which means that you're going to end up with people who are either shameless, You know, people who don't really care.

00:36:14.000 Like, you expose them and they just go ahead and they say, fine, expose me, and I'm just gonna double down on that.

00:36:18.000 You end up with Joy Reid over at MSNBC claiming she was hacked.

00:36:22.000 Or people, so shameless, or people who attempt to hide everything.

00:36:28.000 Right?

00:36:28.000 Those are the only two alternatives.

00:36:29.000 People who are either absolute blank slates who have said nothing in the past so you have no actual read on them, or people you have a read on and the read is they're shameless.

00:36:37.000 Those are the only two types of people who will rationally enter public life ever again.

00:36:41.000 Because everyone who is honorable, I am sure, would apologize for bad things in their life.

00:36:48.000 But the apology does not matter.

00:36:50.000 That's the point.

00:36:51.000 Kyle apologized.

00:36:52.000 Kyle has attempted to be a better person.

00:36:54.000 Kyle moved on and it wasn't enough.

00:36:56.000 Which means that the normal, good human being, who makes mistakes across the course of their life, and speaks publicly and openly and tries to add their opinions to the public discourse, that person gets ruined.

00:37:08.000 The only people who are welcome are people who are absolute anodyne enigmas.

00:37:13.000 You have no idea who they are.

00:37:15.000 They're just blank slates like Barack Obama who don't really have a public record or you end up with people who are utterly shameless or both.

00:37:22.000 That's what you end up with in public life.

00:37:24.000 This wrecks our public discourse.

00:37:26.000 Our educational institutions, obviously, have already been wrecked.

00:37:29.000 This is probably, it's gotta be one of the worst moves I've ever seen in academia.

00:37:33.000 I mean, to reject a student on the basis of old private posts that, again, you can show no evidence that Kyle has ever acted in a racist way other than these posts.

00:37:43.000 And the posts are bad.

00:37:44.000 He apologized for them.

00:37:45.000 He was 16.

00:37:46.000 They were private, and they were unearthed by political opponents in the media.

00:37:49.000 Amazing, amazing stuff.

00:37:50.000 Okay, meanwhile, Our media, you know, our honorable, dutiful, beautiful folks in the press, the guardians of our freedoms, you know, the people who are really on the front lines of ensuring that you get the information you need, like what a 16-year-old said in a private Google Doc back when he was a junior or sophomore in high school.

00:38:10.000 We need those people on the front lines.

00:38:11.000 We especially need them on the front lines when they are basically doing the work of the Iranian government.

00:38:16.000 So, over the past week, we have seen the Iranian government really escalate its attacks in the Middle East. 0.89

00:38:21.000 They attacked, allegedly, and by all available evidence, they attacked a couple of tankers in the Gulf of Oman.

00:38:27.000 This is the second time they've done this in the past four months.

00:38:30.000 And this has really raised a lot of tensions in the Middle East.

00:38:34.000 And by the way, there's a bipartisan consensus among people who have seen the intelligence that this is what happened.

00:38:39.000 Now, it's amazing.

00:38:40.000 When there was a bipartisan consensus in the intelligence community that Russia impacted the election or tried to impact the election, Then everybody ripped on Trump, right?

00:38:48.000 Because Trump denied it.

00:38:50.000 And they're right to rip on Trump because when the intel community says something and there's a pretty good consensus on it, the chances are pretty good that it's right.

00:39:00.000 Even when it came to WMD in Iraq, the reason that the intelligence community worldwide got it wrong was not because of the Bush administration seeking to go to war.

00:39:08.000 It was because the international intelligence community universally was lied to by Saddam Hussein. 0.83

00:39:14.000 There's a reason that the Brits and the French And the Germans, everybody's intelligence services were coming up with the same answer on that one.

00:39:21.000 So for all the talk about how this was all manipulated and our intelligence community, this and that, it's the intel, you gotta pick one.

00:39:26.000 Either you trust them or you don't.

00:39:28.000 Weird how everybody trusts the intelligence community on Russian interference in the election, but suddenly it comes to Iran and they don't anymore.

00:39:34.000 And by the way, there is a bipartisan understanding that Iran is behind these things.

00:39:40.000 So Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, said over the weekend that there is no doubt that Iran is behind these attacks. 0.93

00:39:45.000 How certain are you that Iran was responsible for these attacks, and do you have more evidence that you can share with us?

00:39:53.000 Well, Chris, it's unmistakable what happened here.

00:39:55.000 These were attacks by the Islamic Republic of Iran on commercial shipping, on the freedom of navigation, with the clear intent to deny transit through the strait.

00:40:04.000 This was on the Gulf of Oman side of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:40:06.000 There's no doubt.

00:40:07.000 The Intelligence Committee has lots of data, lots of evidence.

00:40:11.000 The world will come to see much of it, but the American people should rest assured we have Okay, so the media seek to paint this as propaganda.

00:40:25.000 And the media seek to say, no, this is propaganda, and this is exactly what Russia's pushing, right?

00:40:30.000 This is the line Russia's pushing. 0.77

00:40:31.000 So, Moscow, the Kremlin on Sunday, warned against the baseless accusations of her last week's attack in the Gulf of Oman on two oil tankers blamed by Washington and Riyadh on Iran.

00:40:41.000 Such incidents can undermine the foundations of the world economy.

00:40:43.000 That's why it's hardly possible To accept baseless accusations in this situation, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov.

00:40:50.000 Peskov said we always urge a sober appraisal of the situation and to wait for more or less convincing evidence to appear.

00:40:55.000 Worth noting, the Russians basically denied for years that Bashar Assad had ever used chemical weapons against his own people.

00:41:02.000 The Russians, needless to say, are not folks to trust when it comes to this because they've been on Iran's side. 1.00

00:41:06.000 They were important in building the nuclear reactor in Iran.

00:41:12.000 They've been instrumental in Iran's gaining regional power.

00:41:15.000 They've stood with Iran in all of that.

00:41:18.000 And then Iran, of course, is pushing this, too.

00:41:20.000 So Iran's parliament speaker hinted on Sunday that Washington was behind the suspicious tanker attacks.

00:41:24.000 Ah, it was a false flag attack.

00:41:25.000 So basically, everybody's going Alex Jones now.

00:41:27.000 So you got Moscow and Iran.

00:41:29.000 They'll say, no, no, no, no.

00:41:30.000 It wasn't the obvious Iranian attack.

00:41:32.000 I mean, sure, there's tape of us, you know, like removing an unexploded mine from a ship.

00:41:37.000 On our rinky-dink navy?

00:41:38.000 But, you know, it was probably the Americans.

00:41:40.000 It was probably Saudis or something. 0.99

00:41:42.000 It was somebody else.

00:41:43.000 So this is, when propaganda is being repeated by Moscow and Iran, the media might want to, you know, take a little break and think, hmm, maybe this doesn't have a lot of credibility.

00:41:53.000 So here's the headline from the Washington Post.

00:41:55.000 "Standoff with Iran exposes Trump's credibility issue "as some allies seek more proof of tanker attack.

00:42:01.000 "Japan and Germany have requested stronger evidence "than the grainy video released by the Pentagon.

00:42:06.000 Now, you might be saying to yourself, as Paul Krugman at the New York Times is saying, oh, it's a wag the dog attack, first of all.

00:42:11.000 If this is a wag the dog sort of scenario, then what exactly is Trump wagging the dog away from?

00:42:16.000 You think he wants to go to war in the Middle East?

00:42:17.000 What do you think that would do for his approval ratings?

00:42:20.000 Think it'd be good?

00:42:21.000 Think raising the price of oil in the midst of a shaky economy is a good idea?

00:42:26.000 Probably not.

00:42:27.000 But here's the other thing.

00:42:29.000 Democrats are repeating what Trump said.

00:42:31.000 So when you have Mike Pompeo and Adam Schiff saying the same thing, pretty good indicator that perhaps that thing is true.

00:42:36.000 So here's Adam Schiff, a man that bears no love for President Trump.

00:42:41.000 Apparently he's now involved in the evil wag the dog scenario.

00:42:44.000 So Adam Schiff, who Trump has termed pencil neck and who hates Trump with a passion bordering on the insane.

00:42:51.000 Adam Schiff was saying over the weekend there was no question that Iran was behind the attacks.

00:42:55.000 So apparently it's a bipartisan wag the dog scheme.

00:42:57.000 There's no question that Iran is behind. 0.99

00:43:00.000 I think the evidence is very strong and compelling.

00:43:04.000 In fact, I think this was a class A screw-up by Iran to insert a mine on the ship. 1.00

00:43:10.000 It didn't detonate.

00:43:11.000 They had to go back and retrieve it.

00:43:13.000 I can imagine there are some Iranian heads rolling for that botched operation. 0.99

00:43:18.000 But nonetheless, the problem is that we are struggling, even in the midst of this solid evidence, to persuade our allies to join us in any kind of a response.

00:43:29.000 And it shows just how isolated the United States has become.

00:43:33.000 Okay, well, you know what would help, Adam Schiff, is if you went out there and forcibly made the case that the Trump administration is correct on what is going on with regard to Iran.

00:43:41.000 But, here's the bottom line.

00:43:42.000 There's a bipartisan consensus in Washington, D.C., from Adam Schiff to Mike Pompeo, that Iran is behind these attacks.

00:43:47.000 Naturally, that means that the media are siding with Japan, Germany, the Iranians, and the Russians.

00:43:52.000 Well done, media.

00:43:53.000 You know, you guys are just doing yeoman's work.

00:43:57.000 Not only that, not only are they doing amazing work.

00:43:59.000 So there's an article at the New York Times, this is just insane.

00:44:01.000 So the New York Times prints an article.

00:44:06.000 The United States is stepping up digital incursions into Russia's electric power grid in a warning to President Vladimir Putin and a demonstration of how the Trump administration is using new authorities to deploy cyber tools more aggressively, current and former government officials said.

00:44:19.000 So nothing says You know, standing up to the Russians, quite like giving over a bunch of confidential information to the Russians via the New York Times.

00:44:28.000 Well done, New York Times.

00:44:29.000 The same New York Times who accuses Trump of being a Russian's catpaw in the pay of Vladimir Putin.

00:44:33.000 That same New York Times is printing articles on their front page about how the United States is attacking the electric grid based on confidential and classified information.

00:44:42.000 The New York Times says in interviews over the past three months, the officials described the previously unreported deployment of American computer code inside Russia's grid and other targets as a classified companion to more publicly discussed action directed at Moscow's disinformation and hacking units around the 2018 midterm elections.

00:45:00.000 Buried in this article is this hilarious aside.

00:45:03.000 There's an aside in which the New York Times reports that a bunch of people in the U.S.

00:45:09.000 government were hesitant to tell President Trump about this because they were worried what President Trump might do.

00:45:15.000 Quote, Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction and the possibility that he might countermand it or discuss it with foreign officials, as he did in 2017 when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian foreign minister.

00:45:31.000 So let me get this straight.

00:45:33.000 Let me get this straight.

00:45:34.000 Pentagon and intelligence officials were worried that Trump might spill this information to the Russians or stop it.

00:45:40.000 So they went and spilled it to the New York Times and put it on their front page.

00:45:43.000 Now that's patriotism right there.

00:45:46.000 I mean, look, that is some patriotic deep state stuff right there.

00:45:49.000 You're worried that the president might do something you don't want him to do, so instead what you do is you dump it in full public view so the Russians know exactly what we're doing.

00:45:56.000 And the New York Times runs with it, because they're patriotically standing up for America's interests.

00:46:01.000 Oh, our press.

00:46:02.000 Democracy dies in darkness.

00:46:04.000 These folks.

00:46:05.000 I definitely trust them.

00:46:07.000 I think they are not activists.

00:46:08.000 I think they are definitely, definitely journalists.

00:46:12.000 You wonder why the credibility of the press is at an all-time low?

00:46:15.000 I would suggest that it might have something to do with the fact that they're taking the word of Moscow and Iran over that of America's intelligence community.

00:46:21.000 Except when it benefits them to stand with the intelligence community against the Trump administration.

00:46:26.000 Simultaneously attacking 17-year-old, 18-year-old college admittees.

00:46:32.000 And ensuring that the Russians know about secret American interference with their electric grid.

00:46:38.000 Great job, press.

00:46:39.000 You guys are really outdoing yourselves.

00:46:41.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:46:44.000 So, things that I like today.

00:46:45.000 So, George Will.

00:46:47.000 has come under a lot of fire from a lot of folks on the right side of the aisle because he is militantly anti-Trump.

00:46:52.000 The reason that he is militantly anti-Trump, as he has said, is because he believes that Trump does not have the character to be president.

00:46:58.000 Now, as I have said, you know, I said at the time that Trump's character is not my thing.

00:47:03.000 I said this in 2016.

00:47:04.000 I'm still very critical of President Trump's character, as anyone who listens to the show on a regular basis notes.

00:47:10.000 So I don't disagree with George Will's characterization of President Trump I also think that things are not going to get better if you turn this thing over at this point to a Democrat who not only has similar character flaws, but also is dedicated to rooting out fundamental notions of the Constitution.

00:47:29.000 But put the Trump stuff aside, George Will has a new book out.

00:47:31.000 It's called The Conservative Sensibility, and it basically is a comparison between Madisonian democracy, the ideas that are embedded in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, Versus Woodrow Wilson's Progressive Revolution.

00:47:42.000 It's about 500 pages.

00:47:44.000 It is a real tour de force by George Will.

00:47:47.000 It is sort of a life's work.

00:47:48.000 You can see it.

00:47:48.000 It's embedded in every page.

00:47:51.000 I have some substantive disagreements with Will on the nature of that Madisonian democracy, on the nature of what stands behind our rules of natural right.

00:48:01.000 But his contrast between the founding and the progressive era is exactly correct.

00:48:06.000 And his explication of this stuff is quite beautiful.

00:48:08.000 His writing is quite beautiful.

00:48:09.000 The book is called The Conservative Sensibility.

00:48:11.000 I would suggest that our disagreements lie more in sort of the understanding of the roots of the American Revolution and founding era philosophy.

00:48:20.000 You know, Will's very secular take on this, mine is a little bit more of, I think, a historically based religious take on it.

00:48:25.000 But with that said, the book itself is really good and all the criticism he's receiving right now because he's anti-Trump, people saying he's not conservative.

00:48:32.000 Guys, George Will has spent his entire career being conservative.

00:48:37.000 You know, if the conservative movement can't handle people who don't like a particular president, I would suggest the conservative movement is doomed to failure.

00:48:43.000 So I would recommend the book.

00:48:45.000 It's called The Conservative Sensibility. 0.74

00:48:46.000 It's really good.

00:48:47.000 I'm enjoying it right now.

00:48:48.000 I'm in the middle of it.

00:48:49.000 So go check that out.

00:48:50.000 OK, other things that I like today.

00:48:51.000 So there's this ironic, this sort of ironic. 0.98

00:48:53.000 So there's an article by Katlin Beattie called How Should Christians Have Sex? 0.55

00:48:58.000 It says, "Purity culture was harmful and dangerous, "but its collapse has left a void "for those of us looking for guidance "in our intimate lives." The entire article is basically about how you, if you suggest that sex should be reserved for marriage, you're bad, but also getting rid of that standard has basically destroyed sex in our culture.

00:49:16.000 So the entire article is, I don't like this original standard, but I also realize all of the standards that supplanted it are basically garbage, at least for human beings who wanna be happy. 0.62

00:49:26.000 And so now I'm stuck.

00:49:28.000 Well, maybe you should rethink, like, your first statement.

00:49:30.000 Maybe that's what you should do.

00:49:32.000 This author writes, when I was 14, a circuit speaker came to my church's youth group to talk about sexual purity.

00:49:37.000 I don't remember many details from the talk, but vividly recall signing a true love waits pledge, a small note card promising I would remain a virgin until marriage.

00:49:44.000 20 years later, that ritual strikes me as almost innocuous.

00:49:47.000 How much power do we give to a scribbled signature of a teenager who had only the faintest idea what sex was?

00:49:51.000 Yet it also carried a psychological burden that many of my peers and I are still unloading.

00:49:55.000 This is where we get the whole, it was such a burden to be have to, People expecting us to have a moral standard, to wait until ma- Oh my god, I'm still living that down.

00:50:03.000 Get over it.

00:50:04.000 Like seriously, get over it.

00:50:05.000 You're an adult now.

00:50:06.000 Get over it.

00:50:07.000 A majority of adults who came of age in evangelical churches in the 90s and 2000s were exposed to purity culture, a term for teachings that stressed sexual abstinence before marriage.

00:50:16.000 I urge this, by the way.

00:50:18.000 We had our own rituals such as purity balls and our own merchandise such as purity rings.

00:50:22.000 I had a Wait For Me journal that I kept as a college freshman.

00:50:25.000 Created by a prominent Christian pop singer, the journal was designed to hold letters to my future husband.

00:50:29.000 It held out the promise that if I remained pure, then God would reward good behavior with a husband, surely before I turned 30 so that we could have lots of children.

00:50:35.000 Well, no, actually.

00:50:37.000 Nothing in purity culture suggests that God is a gumball machine.

00:50:40.000 I'm so sick of people who think that God is a gumball machine.

00:50:42.000 That's not the way God works.

00:50:43.000 It's not like you do what God wants and then God gives you everything that you could possibly want.

00:50:48.000 That would make you a bad person, by the way.

00:50:49.000 If the only reason to do things is because you think God is then going to give you what you want because you bribe God, You have a mistaken idea of God and also a mistaken idea of morality.

00:50:58.000 The idea instead is that if you wait until marriage to have sex, you are saving yourself for your spouse.

00:51:04.000 And if your spouse saves himself for you, then you get to enjoy one of the most wonderful things God ever created with the person that you trust and love the most without having to think about all of the prior experiences with people or without demeaning or debasing yourself.

00:51:17.000 Now, again, this is not to suggest that if people have premarital sex, they've done something irredeemable or terrible or anything like that.

00:51:24.000 But, from a religious perspective, and from, I think, a basic natural law perspective, the idea of sex within marriage makes a lot of sense.

00:51:30.000 It makes a lot of sense, and it is spiritually fulfilling.

00:51:33.000 And I speak as someone who is a virgin until marriage, as was my wife.

00:51:36.000 And I'm proud of that.

00:51:36.000 I think that's a good thing.

00:51:38.000 I don't think it's a bad thing to teach to our children.

00:51:40.000 In fact, I am going to teach it to our children.

00:51:42.000 I think it's a very, very good thing to teach to children that sex is important enough, that you ought to wait for somebody that you love enough to actually spend a lifelong commitment with. 0.69

00:51:51.000 And if you can't reach that, if you decide differently or you make a mistake or whatever that is, you're an adult.

00:51:57.000 Those are decisions that you can make.

00:51:58.000 But to have a standard and not to live up to a standard is one thing. 0.85

00:52:01.000 To say the standard itself is wrong or bad or damaging, I think that's very silly.

00:52:06.000 So this lady writes, somehow God and I got our wires crossed because the husband hasn't arrived.

00:52:10.000 Again, it ain't on God for you to find a husband.

00:52:13.000 It really is not.

00:52:15.000 When people blame Everything bad that happens to them on God or the society around them, I start to think that you have a mistaken impression of how cause and effect work.

00:52:24.000 20 years later, I no longer subscribe to purity culture, largely because it never had anything to say to Christians past the age of 23. 0.64

00:52:30.000 Oh really, I was 24 when I got married.

00:52:32.000 Weird.

00:52:33.000 Yeah, lately.

00:52:34.000 I also find myself mourning the loss of the coherent sexual ethic that purity culture tried to offer.

00:52:38.000 Is the consent culture the best that we have in its place?

00:52:40.000 This is the best part, right?

00:52:41.000 So now she realizes, okay, so I didn't like that, now I'm in my 30s and I've had sex and all that, but I'm really not liking the new secular standard.

00:52:47.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:52:49.000 You're not. 0.99

00:52:49.000 Because the new secular standard sucks. 0.99

00:52:51.000 The standard that basically says that consent alone makes for good sex, or makes for good relationships, or is spiritually fulfilling. 0.98

00:52:58.000 Consent is a great standard for law.

00:52:59.000 It is not necessarily a great standard for morality.

00:53:02.000 There are lots of things to which people consent that are demeaning and bad for them.

00:53:05.000 That doesn't mean they should be illegal.

00:53:06.000 I'm a libertarian.

00:53:08.000 But it does mean that maybe those things are damaging to you, which is why you don't teach them to your children.

00:53:14.000 Prostitution is a consensual act. 0.87

00:53:17.000 As a general rule, it is a consensual act.

00:53:19.000 Putting aside pressures or how people got into prostitution, the act of prostitution itself is an act of consent, which is why I'm very torn on its legalization.

00:53:27.000 Does that mean that it is good for either the prostitute or the john? 0.79

00:53:31.000 I don't think so.

00:53:33.000 So this person says, I don't think that's true at all.

00:53:34.000 You literally just said, one second ago, that you kept a journal of letters to your prospective husband about the gift of sex within marriage.

00:53:39.000 evangelical online communities.

00:53:40.000 Rather than emphasize the gift of sex within marriage, purity culture typically led with the shame of having sex outside of it. 0.75

00:53:46.000 I don't think that's true at all.

00:53:47.000 You literally just said one second ago that you kept a journal of letters to your prospective husband about the gift of sex within marriage.

00:53:53.000 It is hilarious to me that there are so many people on the secular left who have decided, and this woman, she still considers herself Christian, by the way, so I'm not labeling her secular left, but her perspective on sex is much more secular than Christian. - Yeah.

00:54:10.000 They got rid of the traditional standard, and then their solution to the traditional standard was a completely unworkable standard, and now they're sad that the standard is gone.

00:54:18.000 Here's how this lady, the author of A Woman's Place, completes her article. 1.00

00:54:21.000 Occasionally, I think about my purity pledge and letters to my mystical future husband, and find those practices naive and manipulative.

00:54:28.000 But part of me wishes that the fairy tale of purity culture had come true.

00:54:31.000 While I hate the effects that purity culture had on young women like me, again, no, you made choices, you're an adult, I still find the traditional Christian vision for married sex radical, daunting, and extremely compelling, and one I still want to uphold, even if I fumble along the way.

00:54:44.000 So in the end, you end up coming back around to the standard.

00:54:48.000 Well, maybe the problem was with you not upholding the standard if you're so upset about not upholding the standard.

00:54:53.000 If you don't want to uphold the standard, don't.

00:54:54.000 It's free country.

00:54:55.000 But to pretend that the standard is bad simply because you had a bad emotional response to the standard is to get rid of rules in favor of subjective feeling, which is not something I like.

00:55:04.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:55:09.000 We have now reached the point of utter absurdity. 0.79

00:55:11.000 There is a transgender track star, which is to say, a genetic male named C.C.

00:55:16.000 Telfer.

00:55:17.000 C.C.

00:55:18.000 Telfer was apparently a middling sprinter as a male.

00:55:21.000 Now, C.C.

00:55:22.000 Telfer considers himself a transgender woman and he competes on the Franklin Pierce University track team.

00:55:28.000 Not surprisingly, he is now world class because he is running against women.

00:55:33.000 So here's what C.C.

00:55:34.000 Telfer says.

00:55:34.000 No, no, no, you understand.

00:55:36.000 I'm disadvantaged running against women, which comes as a shock to all of the women who are getting beat by a guy who has six inches and a significant amount of musculature to his advantage.

00:55:47.000 If anything, me competing against cisgender females is a disadvantage because my body is going through so many medical implications, like it's going through biochemistry changes.

00:55:58.000 So being on hormone placement therapy, it gives you So, your muscle depletion, your muscle is deteriorating.

00:56:08.000 You lose a lot of strength because testosterone is where you get your strength, your agility, all of that athletic stuff.

00:56:16.000 So, I have to work twice as hard to keep that strength.

00:56:20.000 Okay, can we go back to some of the pictures here?

00:56:23.000 Okay, this is a picture of C.C.

00:56:24.000 Telfer next to people who are competing with C.C.

00:56:27.000 Telfer.

00:56:27.000 C.C.

00:56:28.000 Telfer is a very large human being.

00:56:30.000 C.C.

00:56:30.000 Telfer, how tall do you think this person is?

00:56:32.000 Closing in on six feet, probably?

00:56:34.000 This person, this is a very large human, standing next to a bunch of very small women.

00:56:39.000 And they're now competing, those very small women. 0.98

00:56:41.000 C.C.

00:56:41.000 Telfer won the Women's 400 Meter Hurdles at the NCAA Division II Championship.

00:56:45.000 I wonder why.

00:56:47.000 How could this have happened? 1.00

00:56:49.000 Maybe it's because Cece Telfer is a genetic male, and there are differences between male and female, and this is all idiotic. 1.00

00:56:55.000 I-D-I-O-D-I-C. 1.00

00:56:58.000 I understand.

00:56:58.000 Hormone treatments.

00:56:59.000 Not great for your body.

00:57:01.000 Also, when you start off as a man who is six inches taller than every woman on the field with the musculature of a man, the depletion? 0.92

00:57:08.000 Still not gonna compare to having grown up as a woman with estrogen. 1.00

00:57:13.000 But I guess we just have to be as stupid as humanly possible. 1.00

00:57:16.000 Put all objective fact out of your mind. 1.00

00:57:18.000 Instead, favor the feelings of people who are engaged in the delusion that they are physically the same as women.

00:57:25.000 I mean, this is just... Because that's what this person is saying, basically.

00:57:28.000 They're at a disadvantage as compared to the women? 1.00

00:57:30.000 Mm-hmm.

00:57:30.000 That's why you're defeating them handily when you couldn't compete with the males.

00:57:34.000 Yes, I'm sure.

00:57:36.000 Other things that I hate.

00:57:37.000 So Pete Buttigieg needs a course in stats, apparently. 0.86

00:57:39.000 The mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Did an interview on Axios on HBO in which he explained that he was not the first gay president.

00:57:48.000 Here he is making this bizarre contention. 0.85

00:57:51.000 If you were to win the nomination, they'll say you're too young, too liberal, too gay to be commander-in-chief. 1.00

00:57:57.000 You are young, you are liberal, you are gay. 1.00

00:58:00.000 How will you respond? 0.96

00:58:01.000 I'll respond by explaining where I want to lead this country.

00:58:05.000 People will elect the person who will make the best president.

00:58:08.000 And we have had excellent presidents who have been young.

00:58:11.000 We have had excellent presidents who have been liberal.

00:58:14.000 I would imagine we've probably had excellent presidents who were gay, we just didn't know which ones. 0.79

00:58:18.000 You believe that we've had a gay commander-in-chief?

00:58:20.000 I mean, statistically, it's almost certain.

00:58:24.000 And have you, like, in your reading of history, like, do you believe you know who they were?

00:58:28.000 My gaydar doesn't even work that well in the present, let alone retroactively.

00:58:31.000 But one can only assume that's the case.

00:58:35.000 Why can one only assume that's the case?

00:58:37.000 Like, there have been 44 presidents. 0.95

00:58:39.000 About 2% of the population is gay.

00:58:41.000 So statistically speaking, we pretty, I mean, first of all, presidents are not elected on the basis of statistics. 0.96

00:58:46.000 Statistically speaking, 10% of our presidents should have been black.

00:58:50.000 Nope.

00:58:51.000 Statistically speaking, half of our presidents should have been women, if we are just doing representation of the population.

00:58:56.000 So, nope on that one as well.

00:58:58.000 So, just statistically speaking, nope.

00:58:59.000 Also, when he says some of our great presidents would have been gay, statistically speaking, we've had like three good presidents.

00:59:04.000 So, probably not.

00:59:06.000 The only one who probably was gay, according to at least, or at least possibly was gay, according to Most historians with James Buchanan who, you know, I don't know that gay folks actually want to claim James Buchanan.

00:59:16.000 Pretty widely considered the worst president in American history. 1.00

00:59:20.000 Not because he was gay, but because he was a crap president. 0.99

00:59:22.000 So this is all very weird and I'm just weirded out by the idea that Pete Buttigieg has to make the claim. 0.99

00:59:28.000 That other presidents were gay in order for him to be legitimate as a gay president. 0.97

00:59:32.000 That's silly to me. 0.99

00:59:33.000 Again, I don't think most Americans really care whether Pete Buttigieg is gay. 0.98

00:59:37.000 Mike Pence, who he has been deriding, doesn't care that Pete Buttigieg is gay. 0.98

00:59:40.000 I don't really think a lot of Americans give a crap about this, but I guess making up history and stats is one strategy, I suppose. 0.98

00:59:46.000 Alrighty.

00:59:46.000 Well, we will be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

00:59:50.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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01:00:22.000 Hey everyone, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

01:00:25.000 The poet William Wordsworth wrote that his heart leapt up when he beheld a rainbow in the sky.

01:00:29.000 Well, unfortunately, the rainbow has come down to earth, and here it's a sign of woke oppression, a weapon bent on the abolition of man.

01:00:37.000 I'll explain on The Andrew Klavan Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - June 17, 2019

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