The Ben Shapiro Show - The Holy Sacrament Of Abortion | Ep. 1332

00:00:00.000 A holy war breaks out after Texas bans abortion after the detection of fetal heartbeat.

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00:01:43.000 Alrighty, so the big news of the day is, of course, that the Supreme Court has not immediately enjoined a Texas state law that effectively prevents abortion after six weeks of pregnancy.

00:01:55.000 And the reason that the Supreme Court did this is because of procedural mechanics here.

00:01:59.000 So basically, the Supreme Court ruled, and the ruling was, it was a 5-4 ruling with, of course, Chief Justice Roberts joining the dissenters.

00:02:07.000 It was the Republican appointees on one side, and then Roberts with the liberals on the other.

00:02:12.000 And the basic scheme of the Texas law is why the law was not immediately taken up by the Supreme Court.

00:02:17.000 So normally, in order for you to have a lawsuit that is taken up by an appeals court or taken up by the Supreme Court, You have to have somebody to sue, right?

00:02:26.000 Just because you see something wrong in life does not mean that you get to sue.

00:02:29.000 And the person that you sue has to be the right person.

00:02:31.000 And if you're suing over a law, presumably, if you sue, for example, the person who is enforcing the law, that person has to have the power to enforce the law.

00:02:40.000 So, for example, in Roe vs. Wade, it was an official of government who was being sued in Roe vs. Wade because it was that person's responsibility to enforce the law, so that person ends up as the defendant.

00:02:49.000 This is usually the case when you have a case that's appealed to the Supreme Court and it has to do with a law that is being enforced by the state.

00:02:56.000 Usually there's some official whose name you don't know who ends up as the defendant in that particular lawsuit.

00:03:02.000 Well Texas found a way around this, at least for the moment, it's sort of a creative way around this.

00:03:06.000 The way that they wrote the law, it is not that the Texas state government is going to be enforcing the law.

00:03:12.000 It's not like somebody comes to your door and takes you off to jail if you participate in the abortion process at 12 weeks of pregnancy.

00:03:20.000 Instead, what the Texas state law basically did is it created a private right of action.

00:03:25.000 The private right of action essentially allows anyone to sue a person in court who has participated in the facilitation of an abortion.

00:03:34.000 According to Politico, individuals found to have violated that law would have to pay $10,000 to the person who successfully brings such a lawsuit.

00:03:40.000 It's almost sort of a private bounty, in other words.

00:03:43.000 So, let's say that there's a woman who wants an abortion. 1.00

00:03:46.000 I know her abortion doctor is providing her an abortion. 1.00

00:03:49.000 I can sue the abortion doctor for providing her an abortion at 10 weeks, and then he has to pay me $10,000 for his violation of the law. 0.99

00:03:57.000 According to Politico, anti-abortion groups in the states such as Texas Rights Life have in recent weeks set up tip lines for people to anonymously report violators ahead of the law's implementation.

00:04:05.000 Earlier on Tuesday, a federal district court issued a temporary restraining order Barring the group from filing suits against a small group of individuals and organizations that assist patients in obtaining an abortion, but both sides of the case acknowledge the order is very narrow and the anti-abortion group said it still plans to solicit tips and bring lawsuits against abortion providers now that the courts have given a green light to the law's implementation.

00:04:25.000 So, the Supreme Court majority does not say whether the law is constitutional.

00:04:29.000 They just say that it is not clear whether they can take up the case because there's nobody to sue yet, right?

00:04:34.000 Nobody has actually brought a lawsuit along these lines as of yet.

00:04:38.000 So the Supreme Court found, To prevail in an application for a stay or an injunction, an applicant must carry the burden of making a strong showing that is likely to succeed on the merits, and that will be irrevocably injured absent a stay, and that the balance of equities favors it, and that a stay is consistent with the public interest.

00:04:53.000 The applicants now before us have raised serious questions regarding the constitutionality of the Texas law at issue, but their application also presents complex and novel antecedent procedural questions on which they have not carried their burden.

00:05:03.000 So this is the Supreme Court saying, listen, we might not strike down Roe vs. Wade.

00:05:07.000 We might, in fact, strike down this law.

00:05:08.000 But first, you have to go through the actual procedure of somebody having been grievously harmed by a private actor in this particular way.

00:05:15.000 Because this lawsuit was, again, directed at a person, Austin Reeve Jackson, who's a judge.

00:05:22.000 It's directed at a person who actually does not have the power to even enforce the law, per se.

00:05:27.000 So says the majority.

00:05:29.000 Federal courts enjoy the power to enjoin individuals tasked with enforcing laws, not the laws themselves.

00:05:34.000 It is unclear whether the named defendants in this lawsuit can or will seek to enforce the Texas law against the applicants in a manner that might permit our intervention.

00:05:40.000 The state has represented that neither it nor its executive employees possess the authority to enforce the Texas law either directly or indirectly, nor is it clear whether under existing precedent this court can issue an injunction against state judges asked to decide a lawsuit under Texas law, which is the person who was sued in this particular case.

00:05:56.000 Finally, the sole private citizen respondent before us has filed an affidavit stating he has no present intention to enforce the law.

00:06:02.000 In light of such issues, we can't say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application.

00:06:07.000 Okay, then there were the dissents.

00:06:09.000 In the dissents, Justice Roberts didn't say that he would vote to uphold Roe v. Wade.

00:06:13.000 He just said that if he put an injunction on the law pending Some sort of resolution of the underlying issues.

00:06:18.000 There's the procedural issues, and then there's the underlying issue, which is really the one at the heart of the case, which is, is it constitutional to pass a law that bars abortion after week six?

00:06:27.000 Now, look, from a pure constitutional perspective, the answer, of course, is it's fully constitutional.

00:06:34.000 For the vast majority of America's history, there were abortion laws in virtually every state.

00:06:38.000 And obviously, there is no right to an abortion in the Constitution of the United States. 0.99

00:06:41.000 You can't point to it.

00:06:42.000 You can't point to anything that points to it. 0.99

00:06:44.000 It is emanations and penumbras and an idiotic Supreme Court majority in Roe vs. Wade that literally created a right to abortion out of whole cloth. 0.99

00:06:51.000 I mean, it's just created. 0.99

00:06:52.000 Fully.

00:06:53.000 And just sits there. 0.90

00:06:54.000 Like a turd at the bottom of the toilet bowl.

00:06:56.000 That's how bad that decision is.

00:06:58.000 It is a terrible decision.

00:06:59.000 Even people who are advocates of abortion generally recognize that Roe vs. Wade is not a good legal decision.

00:07:04.000 They just like the outcome.

00:07:06.000 So, as a matter of just what's in the Constitution on the underlying issue, the answer is, of course, Texas can pass this law.

00:07:13.000 And California can also pass a law that allows abortion up till a particular point. 0.71

00:07:18.000 Maybe beyond, depending on what exactly California is doing and whether the 14th Amendment and the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clause applies to the unborn.

00:07:28.000 There's a strong pro-life case that the Equal Protection Clause, that everyone is entitled to equal protection of the law, so far as life, liberty, and due process, for example.

00:07:39.000 That should include the unborn, right? 0.92

00:07:40.000 This is the pro-life case.

00:07:41.000 That if you are a baby in the womb, you don't get to be killed just because you're a baby in the womb.

00:07:45.000 You're an independent human life.

00:07:46.000 You're protected by the Constitution of the United States.

00:07:48.000 But putting that aside, if that is not the argument that is going to be accepted by the Supreme Court, for example, which it seems would be unlikely, if that's not going to be the argument accepted by the Supreme Court, The overturning of Roe v. Wade would not lead to a vast national ban on abortion.

00:08:02.000 It would lead to significant restrictions in places like Texas, places like Georgia, places like Florida.

00:08:06.000 It would lead to no restrictions in places like California, because it would just get kicked back to the states.

00:08:11.000 That was the situation before Roe v. Wade.

00:08:13.000 There were very few restrictions on abortion in blue states, and there were lots of restrictions on abortion in red states.

00:08:19.000 Okay, so Chief Justice Roberts says, you know, I'm not going to even tell you how I'm voting on the underlying issue here.

00:08:24.000 By the way, the majority said the same thing here.

00:08:25.000 Roberts just says that he would enjoin it anyway.

00:08:27.000 So Roberts says, the statutory scheme before the court is not only unusual but unprecedented.

00:08:32.000 The legislature has imposed a prohibition on abortions after roughly six weeks and then essentially delegated enforcement of that prohibition to the populace at large.

00:08:39.000 The desired consequence appears to be to insulate the state from responsibility for implementing and enforcing the regulatory regime.

00:08:45.000 The state defendants argue they cannot be restrained from enforcing their rules because they're not enforcing them in the first place.

00:08:50.000 I would grant preliminary relief to preserve the status quo ante before the law went into effect so that the courts may consider whether a state can avoid responsibility for its laws in such a manner.

00:09:00.000 Defendants argue existing doctrines preclude judicial intervention and they may be correct.

00:09:05.000 But the consequences of approving the state action, both in this particular case and as a model for action in other areas, counsel at least preliminary judicial consideration before the program devised by the state takes effect.

00:09:15.000 So, Roberts is fully admitting, in his own dissent here, that defendants may be right, that they are allowed to avoid culpability here because they're not the actual defendants, but Justice Roberts says, I'm gonna intervene anyway because I prefer the status quo ante, which is pure Roberts, right?

00:09:29.000 Roberts is mostly interested in preserving what he perceives as judicial legitimacy, At the expense of actual judicial accuracy.

00:09:36.000 This is why he'll rewrite the Obamacare law in order to ensure that Obamacare remains the law of the land despite the fact that it clearly violates constitutional provisions and separation of powers.

00:09:46.000 Because Justice Roberts is always thinking of the legitimacy of the institution.

00:09:49.000 By the way, because he thinks like this, he has completely undermined the legitimacy of the institution.

00:09:53.000 It turns out the only way to uphold the legitimacy of your institution is to strictly interpret the rules under which we are all supposed to live so that there's predictability to those rules.

00:10:03.000 You're not supposed to be thinking with your finger in the wind, how do I best uphold the legitimacy of my institution?

00:10:08.000 That is what undercuts your legitimacy.

00:10:10.000 At least it's true as a human being as well.

00:10:12.000 If you're constantly vacillating because you're trying to please people, people don't like you as much.

00:10:15.000 People think you're illegitimate.

00:10:16.000 People don't trust you.

00:10:18.000 And this is certainly true when it comes to institutions, which is why Justice Roberts is actually a terrible, terrible justice.

00:10:23.000 In any case, he continues, I would accordingly preclude enforcement of SB 8 by the respondents to afford the District Court and the Court of Appeals the opportunity to consider the propriety of judicial action and preliminary relief pending consideration of the plaintiff's claims.

00:10:38.000 Because basically, his argument is that it upsets life too much.

00:10:43.000 If we don't intervene, it upsets life too much.

00:10:45.000 Then, there are the actual liberals on the court, and their dissent is basically, we love abortion, and abortion's in the Constitution, and this is a bad law, and so we should strike down the law.

00:10:52.000 Forget about the procedure, the law needs to go, because the reality is that imminent and serious harm are on their way, and we need to make sure that the quote-unquote right to abortion is preserved.

00:11:03.000 This is the dissent.

00:11:05.000 There's one from Justice Breyer.

00:11:07.000 There's another one from Justice Sotomayor.

00:11:09.000 Sotomayor, of course, is the most vocal, ardent, and screed-like.

00:11:15.000 She writes the most screeds on the left of the court. 0.98

00:11:17.000 She's sort of replaced Justice Ginsburg in that respect.

00:11:20.000 She says the court's order is stunning.

00:11:22.000 Presented with an application to enjoin a flagrantly unconstitutional law, engineered to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny, a majority of justices have opted to bury their heads in the sand.

00:11:34.000 Okay, it's not flagrantly unconstitutional.

00:11:36.000 Roe v. Wade is flagrantly anti-constitutional.

00:11:38.000 It is a made-up law, out of whole cloth, pulled directly from the colons of the justices in that case, particularly Harry Blackmun.

00:11:44.000 But she says this is blatantly unconstitutional, which is a laugh since her actual care about the Constitution is basically zero.

00:11:51.000 She says, last night, the court silently acquiesced in a state's enactment of a law that flouts nearly 50 years of federal precedents.

00:11:56.000 Wow!

00:11:57.000 50 years of bad federal judicial precedent has been overturned?

00:12:01.000 Well, somebody sound the alarm because it turns out the court has routinely done that in cases where they've made bad mistakes before, namely Plessy v. Ferguson or Dred Scott.

00:12:09.000 She says, Okay, so that is where things stand.

00:12:11.000 explains, it declined to grant relief because of procedural complexities of the state's own invention. Because the court's failure to act rewards tactics designed to avoid judicial review and inflicts significant harm on the applicants and on women seeking abortion in Texas. I dissent.

00:12:24.000 Okay, so that is where things stand. Now, a lot of people in the media are reading this as though the Supreme Court of the United States is now going to knock down Roe v. Wade.

00:12:35.000 I have serious doubts whether the Supreme Court of the United States is going to knock down Roe vs. Wade.

00:12:38.000 I think what they may do is rewrite the Planned Parenthood vs. Casey standard.

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00:14:11.000 The actual standard that may be curbed here is the so-called undue burden standard under Planned Parenthood vs. Casey.

00:14:17.000 So, the Roe vs. Wade decision sets up this ridiculous anti-scientific trimester system, right, where the idea is that you could have some restrictions in the last trimester, maybe a few restrictions in the second trimester, and no restrictions in the first trimester.

00:14:32.000 And then it sets up a standard of viability, and it says, well, until the baby's viable, you can basically do what you want.

00:14:37.000 None of this is in the Constitution, of course.

00:14:39.000 It's just made up completely.

00:14:39.000 It's absurd.

00:14:41.000 Then, in the early 90s, there's a case written by Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy and that whole clan.

00:14:48.000 And the basic idea of the case is that the woman must never be unduly burdened.

00:14:56.000 That is the undue burden standard that a woman cannot have to face down an order that has the purpose or effect of placing a substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking the abortion of a non-viable fetus.

00:15:11.000 I mean, that decision is a complete, absolute mess.

00:15:11.000 And it's a mess.

00:15:13.000 There's a plurality decision.

00:15:15.000 A majority found that a particular law was unconstitutional.

00:15:20.000 Four justices wrote or joined opinions saying Roe v. Wade should have been struck down.

00:15:24.000 Two justices wrote opinions favoring the preservation of a higher standard of review for abortion restrictions.

00:15:29.000 It's a complete mess, right?

00:15:31.000 It's just a complete and utter just bleep show.

00:15:35.000 No question.

00:15:37.000 The undue burden standard is what ends up emerging from this, right?

00:15:40.000 You can't put an undue burden on a woman's right or ability to get an abortion.

00:15:45.000 Now the question is, that's really vague.

00:15:46.000 What actually constitutes an undue burden?

00:15:49.000 Where does that come from?

00:15:51.000 So, the court has been very unclear about this.

00:15:53.000 Sometimes they'll say that something is an undue burden, sometimes they'll say it's not an undue burden.

00:15:57.000 Again, the notion that an abortion is a right to begin with is patently crazy.

00:16:02.000 I mean, there's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees such a right.

00:16:06.000 There's nothing in natural law that guarantees such a right.

00:16:08.000 Where does this right come from?

00:16:10.000 It basically came full-blown from the heads of a bunch of left-leaning justices on the Supreme Court.

00:16:15.000 But it has now become a rote part of sort of leftist theology, and it really is a theology at this point, that abortion is an inerrant good.

00:16:24.000 Abortion is itself excellent.

00:16:27.000 And so you see people on the left consistently making this argument.

00:16:32.000 I just want to point out that by six weeks of pregnancy, the baby is already starting to develop, like, a lot.

00:16:38.000 Like, the levels of development at this point in time are pretty high.

00:16:38.000 Okay?

00:16:42.000 So you keep hearing from people, well, you know, most women don't know that they're even pregnant by week six of the pregnancy.

00:16:48.000 Well, I mean, they've already missed a period, so there's that.

00:16:50.000 But beyond that, there actually is some pretty significant development.

00:16:54.000 Like, the notion that this is just a cluster of undifferentiated cells at this point is just not true.

00:16:59.000 According to the Mayo Clinic, which is not a right-wing site, last I checked, they say, week six, the neural tube closes.

00:17:05.000 Growth is rapid this week.

00:17:06.000 Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing.

00:17:10.000 The baby's brain and spinal cord will develop from the neural tube.

00:17:12.000 The heart and other organs are also starting to form, and the heart begins to beat.

00:17:16.000 This is according to Mayo Clinic.

00:17:17.000 Now, you'll hear from people on the left, well, it's not really the heart, because the entire heart hasn't been developed yet.

00:17:21.000 It's just the, it's the poles that will become the heart that are firing electrical signals.

00:17:26.000 Okay, and?

00:17:28.000 Like really, so?

00:17:30.000 Structure is necessary to the formation of the eyes and ears develop small buds appear that will soon become arms your baby's body begins To take on a c-shaped curvature in week seven the baby's head develops The baby's brain and face are growing Depressions that eventually give rise to nostrils become visible.

00:17:45.000 The beginnings of the retinas form.

00:17:47.000 Lower limb buds that will become legs appear.

00:17:49.000 The arm buds that sprouted last week now take on the shape of paddles.

00:17:51.000 Week 8, you've already got a nose for the baby.

00:17:54.000 The fingers have begun to form.

00:17:55.000 Small swellings outline.

00:17:57.000 Outlining the future shell-shaped parts of your baby's ears develop.

00:18:01.000 The eyes become obvious.

00:18:02.000 The upper lip and nose have formed.

00:18:03.000 The trunk and neck begin to straighten.

00:18:04.000 Again, we are 8 weeks in.

00:18:06.000 According to the left, you should be able to abort, like, pretty much all the way up to birth.

00:18:09.000 There are no limiting principles for the left.

00:18:11.000 But fetal development is extraordinarily rapid and pretty well-developed, certainly by the time you hit the first trimester, for sure.

00:18:21.000 But according to the left, this is just—Texas is evil, and Texas is terrible, and Texas is a disaster.

00:18:28.000 And there's just article after article about this.

00:18:29.000 Gayle Collins says Texas is trying to overturn Roe vs. Wade all by itself.

00:18:34.000 She says Texas.

00:18:35.000 And of course you get the obligatory... This just amuses me.

00:18:39.000 You get the obligatory photo of the women in the Handmaid's Tale outfits.

00:18:44.000 Okay, now, just quick note, you can get an abortion pretty much anywhere in the country that ain't Texas. 1.00

00:18:49.000 Also, quick note, the woman in the photo is wearing a Pride Progress face mask, a transgender rights face mask with a gay Pride flag, rainbow flag, over her face in the New York Times photo that has been chosen.

00:19:06.000 And this has become part of the broader left-wing rubric where they just create mad libs that don't make any sense when it comes to these issues.

00:19:14.000 So what they like to say, the original left-wing argument was safe, legal, and rare.

00:19:19.000 It's sad, but it's necessary in some cases.

00:19:21.000 We'd like to make those cases less necessary.

00:19:23.000 You know, where a woman is having a really tough time, we can't burden her.

00:19:27.000 It was a bad argument, but at least had some semblance of morality attached to it.

00:19:31.000 Then we went from safe, legal, and rare to abortion is the greatest thing that ever happened. 0.97

00:19:36.000 And now we've moved all the way to abortion is a woke issue that affects the intersectional coalition.

00:19:41.000 Which is like the weakest pro-abortion argument of all.

00:19:43.000 At least the secondary argument that a woman needs to abort her baby so she can be successful in her career. 1.00

00:19:47.000 Which is sort of the argument you'll see made routinely by pro-abortion advocates.

00:19:52.000 At least that argument. 0.99

00:19:54.000 acknowledges the logical consistency of, I need to kill this baby so that I can get the promotion. 0.99

00:19:59.000 That's pretty cruel and terrible, but at least it acknowledges it. 0.99

00:20:03.000 When it gets enmeshed in the entire intersectional woke rhetoric, it makes no sense at all. 0.98

00:20:06.000 It just starts to be self-contradictory and very silly.

00:20:08.000 When you're declaring that men can be women, and it's very difficult to explain how this is a woman's right issue.

00:20:14.000 When you're calling women pregnant people, very difficult to explain why this is a quote unquote women's issue as opposed to just a broad issue that affects both women and men and all the rest.

00:20:22.000 My favorite line of this, and this is why I point out the gay pride flag this person is wearing while wearing the Handmaid's Tale outfit, is, again, once it gets enmeshed in the left-wing mad lib, it starts to make no sense. 0.70

00:20:33.000 So Cori Bush, this is just a great example of this, she tweets out yesterday, the congresswoman from Missouri, the Black Lives Matter congresswoman from Missouri, she says, I'm thinking About the black, brown, low-income, queer, and young folks in Texas.

00:20:46.000 The folks this abortion healthcare ban will disproportionately harm. 1.00

00:20:50.000 Wealthy white folks will have the means to access abortion care, our communities won't. 1.00

00:20:53.000 Okay, so, one of the arguments that is consistently made by people on the left is that black and brown women need to have lots of abortions. 0.66

00:20:59.000 It is incumbent upon them. 0.99

00:21:01.000 We need to protect their right to kill babies in the womb, because, and to disproportionately kill babies in the womb. 0.99

00:21:06.000 Now, you know who's cheering that? 1.00

00:21:07.000 White supremacists. 1.00

00:21:08.000 They are very happy to see black and brown babies die in the womb. 1.00

00:21:12.000 And there are more black babies every year who are aborted in New York City than are born in New York City. 0.99

00:21:17.000 And you can hear the white supremacists cheering. 0.99

00:21:19.000 The notion that it is an inherent good for black and brown women to disproportionately kill their unborn babies is very weird. 0.98

00:21:27.000 But put that one aside, I want to focus in on... This just shows what a mad... I keep saying mad lib because it really is. 0.99

00:21:32.000 It makes no internal sense.

00:21:33.000 Cori Bush here is saying, I'm thinking about the queer people who are disproportionately affected by an abortion ban.

00:21:40.000 I'm going to need an explainer on this one.

00:21:43.000 Truly, I'm gonna need an explainer on why lesbians are disproportionately affected by an abortion ban. 1.00

00:21:48.000 Are lesbians accidentally getting pregnant at an outsized rate? 1.00

00:21:52.000 How about, like, gay people and transgender people? 0.69

00:21:54.000 Is that happening a lot?

00:21:56.000 Really, is it disproportionately affecting the queer?

00:21:59.000 I'm gonna need some sort of... I'm gonna need some sort of understanding of how that works, according to Cori Bush.

00:22:06.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:22:07.000 Again, everything they don't like is about inequity.

00:22:11.000 Because they don't want to get to the root of the issue, which is that they are fine with killing the unborn, right?

00:22:14.000 That really is what it is.

00:22:15.000 Some people are honest enough to do it.

00:22:17.000 Mostly it's euphemisms.

00:22:18.000 So the new euphemisms of the day are not women's rights.

00:22:21.000 It's not safe, legal, and rare.

00:22:22.000 The new euphemism of the day is it's inequitable.

00:22:24.000 Inequitable. 0.79

00:22:25.000 And it affects all the same people that every inequitable policy affects, including people who are gay. 0.77

00:22:31.000 Who are not getting pregnant accidentally because that's not physically possible if you are engaged in homosexual activity. 0.99

00:22:37.000 That's not how any of this works.

00:22:39.000 So I just I found that hilarious and self-contradictory, but.

00:22:44.000 Again, none of this has to make any sense.

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00:23:49.000 So again, the left is fighting mad about this because abortion has now become a sacrament and now it's become a sacrament in the higher woke catechism.

00:23:59.000 Which is very strange.

00:24:00.000 Okay, Hillary Clinton is tweeting out about this as well.

00:24:03.000 She says, Under the cover of darkness, by choosing to do nothing, the Supreme Court allowed an unconstitutional abortion ban in Texas to go into effect last night.

00:24:11.000 Their decision doesn't change the fact that reproductive rights are human rights.

00:24:14.000 We'll fight for them.

00:24:15.000 By the way, the euphemisms, the euphemisms. 0.97

00:24:18.000 If you just read that out loud, but instead of reproductive rights, you just said killing the unborn in the womb, you'd realize how self-contradictory and silly this is. 0.95

00:24:26.000 Right? 0.77

00:24:27.000 The decision doesn't change the fact that killing unborn humans in the womb is a human right. 0.69

00:24:31.000 I feel like that doesn't make sense.

00:24:33.000 I feel like that contradicts itself.

00:24:34.000 Okay, but again, the underlying issue here is one where the left is not winning.

00:24:39.000 They know they're not winning, and so they have to euphemism it up.

00:24:41.000 It's all euphemisms.

00:24:43.000 It's euphemisms and equity talk.

00:24:45.000 Here's Wendy Davis doing the same exact thing.

00:24:48.000 So this is a law that's going to hit, as is the case so many times, women who are lower income It's amazing. 1.00

00:25:08.000 The left is actually making its own agenda less popular by using the equity talk.

00:25:12.000 Instead of saying that this damages women because women need the right to abortion broadly, instead they have to go to this hurts black, brown, low-income, queer women. 0.91

00:25:21.000 What are you doing?

00:25:21.000 I mean, you want to do it?

00:25:22.000 Go for it.

00:25:24.000 You really want to say that this forwards systemic racism. 0.98

00:25:26.000 So in other words, telling everybody, white, black, brown, you can't kill your baby in the womb. 0.98

00:25:35.000 Saying that forwards systemic racism, because if it were not for that systemic racism, more black babies would be born. 0.98

00:25:43.000 Hot take. 0.98

00:25:44.000 Coming in hot right there.

00:25:45.000 Wendy Davis.

00:25:46.000 The fact that she's still trotted out as a legit figure because she once made a long speech on the floor of the Texas state legislature while wearing pink sneakers is astonishing to me.

00:25:53.000 The levels of accomplishment you need in order to achieve fame in this society are not particularly high.

00:25:58.000 Speaking of which, Jeffrey Toobin, who is most famous for masturbating on camera in front of his work colleagues, he wrote, quote, Midnight in Austin.

00:26:06.000 For the first time since 1973, a state has banned abortion.

00:26:09.000 The great conservative legal project has succeeded.

00:26:12.000 R.I.P.

00:26:12.000 Hashtag Roe v. Wade.

00:26:14.000 Now, first of all, his mouth to God's ears.

00:26:16.000 But, second of all, Roe vs. Wade has not yet been overheard.

00:26:20.000 Also, Jeffrey Toobin commenting on this?

00:26:23.000 I understand there's some people... I will say at least Jeffrey Toobin has a stake in it.

00:26:26.000 Jeffrey Toobin famously impregnated the daughter of one of his friends and then tried to pressure her to have an abortion and then tried to avoid his paternity payment.

00:26:36.000 So he feels like a really good source on this sort of thing.

00:26:38.000 By the way, CNN brought him on like four or five times yesterday to talk about this because the media have no shame whatsoever.

00:26:44.000 But they're very objective, very journalism-ing.

00:26:45.000 So much journalism-ing.

00:26:46.000 In fact, speaking of the journalism-ing, Chris Cuomo tweeted out a Graphic of Carlos Chapman, a law professor at Washington and Lee University from Occupy Democrats.

00:26:57.000 Nothing says journalism-ing like tweeting out graphics from Occupy Democrats.

00:27:02.000 This woman said, quote, if a fetus is a person at six weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts?

00:27:06.000 OK, so first of all, sure, I'm cool with that.

00:27:09.000 I don't have a problem with that.

00:27:11.000 In fact, Utah, I believe, passed a law exactly along those lines, saying that when a woman is pregnant, men have to start paying child support.

00:27:17.000 Also, quote, is that also when you can't support the mother because she's carrying a U.S.

00:27:20.000 citizen?

00:27:21.000 So there are some pretty significant questions about whether birthright citizenship is even a thing.

00:27:25.000 Can I insure a six-week fetus and collect if I miscarry?

00:27:28.000 I mean, you might be able to.

00:27:31.000 Why not?

00:27:31.000 Just figuring if we're going there, we should go all in.

00:27:33.000 So, this is one of my favorite kinds of arguments that the left makes, which is, they'll say, well, if a fetus is a person, will you do all these things? 1.00

00:27:40.000 Okay, and if I say yes, are you now going to acknowledge a fetus is a person, or are you just being an idiot? 1.00

00:27:44.000 Are you just playing stupid semantic word games? 1.00

00:27:47.000 Chris Cuomo, fond of stupid semantic word games, and also covering for his lying, cheating, and horrifying brother. 1.00

00:27:55.000 Again, so much journalism happening. 1.00

00:27:56.000 Just hot, sticky journalism getting everywhere over at the CNN studios.

00:28:00.000 Speaking of which, Areva Martin on CNN, she decided to link the pro-life position to not wanting to wear masks.

00:28:07.000 Now, last I checked, if I don't wear a mask and you have the capacity to protect yourself, that is not the same thing as me putting a needle into a woman and poisoning the fetus inside and then cutting them up in the womb and sucking the baby in the sink. 0.64

00:28:21.000 I don't really see the resemblance, I'll be honest with you.

00:28:23.000 I'm vaccinated, and if you get a transmissible disease from me that you could have protected yourself from, I don't see exactly how there's any relationship between that and you forcibly killing a child, but Maybe she's just too sophisticated for me here.

00:28:40.000 At this moment, it is not clear to me that women will be able to continue to make reproductive choices about their bodies because men, primarily men, but legislatures like those in Texas and other states have decided that they know better as it relates to what women should be able to do with respect to their body. 0.78

00:28:59.000 And as Laura said, the hypocrisy is just nauseating.

00:29:04.000 You can't wear a mask, but you can decide that a woman can't make choices about her body. 1.00

00:29:10.000 This is a wake-up call for women and men all over this country.

00:29:14.000 Yeah, that's a good time.

00:29:16.000 By the way, it works in reverse as well.

00:29:17.000 If you believe that women ought to have pure choice over their body, why are you telling them there need to be vaccine mandates and mask mandates?

00:29:23.000 I noticed there's some inconsistency there from the left.

00:29:25.000 And then, of course, there's the bottom line call here, which is, of course, that American conservatives are like the Taliban because they want to protect unborn life.

00:29:31.000 You have Amy Siskind, who is a radical activist, tweeting out, sigh, hashtag Texas Taliban. 0.98

00:29:37.000 And then a cartoon from Mike Lukovic, From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, who is, of course, of the radical left, saying it's a picture of two women in full burqa, living under the Taliban, saying, pray for Texas women.

00:29:52.000 Yes, I'm sure that's, yes, you're right.

00:29:54.000 A woman living in Texas.

00:29:56.000 By the way, I've noticed that there are a few ways that you don't need to get pregnant that are available to women throughout American life. 0.72

00:30:02.000 And that abortion is actually not supposed to be a form of birth control.

00:30:06.000 Again, this is a shift in the democratic argument.

00:30:08.000 It used to be safe, legal, and rare because the idea was there might be some terrible circumstances where the baby has some sort of deep malformation where you don't want to live with that.

00:30:15.000 I think that's immoral, but That is the argument Democrats were making.

00:30:18.000 Or the Cadets Down Syndrome.

00:30:19.000 People are literally making that argument online today.

00:30:22.000 You know how many Down Syndrome babies will be born in Texas now? 0.67

00:30:25.000 It's like, well, yeah, I mean, better than killing them, it turns out.

00:30:28.000 But they moved from that argument real fast to, you're the Taliban if you wish for women to use other forms of birth control as opposed to this.

00:30:40.000 Abortion has become a sacrament.

00:30:41.000 It's the only thing that can explain the true abiding fervor for abortion.

00:30:47.000 Recognize for a second that even Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, is not a fan of abortion.

00:30:51.000 She thought that abortion was a great evil, which is why she was in favor of contraception. 0.98

00:30:56.000 Okay, so that is where things stand.

00:30:57.000 Do I think that this is going to end with the overturning of Roe vs. Wade?

00:31:00.000 I have significant doubts that it will.

00:31:02.000 I think it might result in the paring back of Planned Parenthood vs. Casey and the succeeding line of cases.

00:31:08.000 But I think that is much more likely than the complete overturning of Roe vs. Wade.

00:31:11.000 But the panic is worth the price of admission from the left at this point.

00:31:15.000 And second, we'll get to the latest on Afghanistan first.

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00:32:20.000 Okay, we'll get to everything Afghanistan in just one second because it turns out that shock of shocks, Joe Biden is a damned liar. 0.98

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00:33:38.000 All righty, meanwhile, the Afghanistan situation continues to fall completely apart.

00:33:49.000 It is a disaster area, but the good news is that the Biden administration, their arm has grown to three feet long so that they can really tap themselves on the back, pat themselves on the back, stroke themselves in every way possible, tubing all over themselves.

00:34:04.000 They can do all of these things now, physically.

00:34:06.000 They've pretzeled themselves in order to make all of this happen.

00:34:09.000 Ron Klain, Was the shadow president for Joe Biden and who spends all day on Twitter retweeting things.

00:34:14.000 I mean, he's basically like Trump on Twitter.

00:34:16.000 He said yesterday that the Afghan pullout was handled as well as humanly possible.

00:34:24.000 It's easy to second guess, but let's just be clear.

00:34:27.000 America was in this war for 20 years.

00:34:30.000 And I think any effort to unwind that, any effort to bring our troops out, any effort to end our military presence in Afghanistan was going to be filled with heartbreaking scenes and difficulties.

00:34:42.000 And I think the Biden administration has managed that as well as it could be managed under the circumstances we were placed in.

00:34:50.000 Um, the circumstances you placed yourselves in.

00:34:52.000 It was handled as well as could be managed.

00:34:54.000 And then, Lloyd Austin, the Secretary of Defense, he came out, he said, this was historic!

00:34:58.000 We're so good at this, man!

00:34:59.000 We are so good at this!

00:35:00.000 One, this is not Dunkirk, okay?

00:35:00.000 So, a few things.

00:35:03.000 We're doing this under cover of night, with the Nazis, looking down at British troops.

00:35:07.000 And then, a flotilla of small fishing boats being sent across the English Channel.

00:35:12.000 This was planes going in and out of a runway, under no fire.

00:35:16.000 That's what this was.

00:35:17.000 And you guys failing to facilitate that and getting American troops killed.

00:35:20.000 That's what this was.

00:35:21.000 Here's Lloyd Austin again. 0.93

00:35:22.000 Just keep, just keep stroking yourself, man.

00:35:24.000 Just keep, keep doing it.

00:35:27.000 Now we have just concluded the largest air evacuation of civilians in American history.

00:35:34.000 It was heroic.

00:35:36.000 It was historic.

00:35:40.000 And I hope that all Americans will unite to thank our service members for their courage and their compassion.

00:35:48.000 They were operating in an immensely dangerous and dynamic environment.

00:35:55.000 But our troops were tireless, fearless, and selfless.

00:36:03.000 My favorite is when he says things like, this is the biggest evacuation in American history, aren't we good at this? 0.89

00:36:07.000 There wouldn't have been an evacuation necessary if you hadn't pursued an entirely garbage policy.

00:36:12.000 By the way, when people say things like this is unprecedented, Dunkirk involved 340,000 troops being evacuated from the French coastline.

00:36:20.000 So actually, it's pretty well historically precedented.

00:36:24.000 In the aftermath of the 1948 war establishing the state of Israel, some 800,000 people, their journeys from Arab lands to Israel, Jews, had been expelled.

00:36:32.000 That was facilitated, right?

00:36:33.000 So, no, large population... In the aftermath of the Saddam Hussein-Kuwait war, there were huge population transfers that were facilitated.

00:36:42.000 So, no, this is not unprecedented.

00:36:44.000 No, it's not particularly logistically impressive from the Secretary of Defense's perspective. 0.98

00:36:48.000 And yes, our people on the ground are brave and heroic, but our leadership is just garbage all the way through.

00:36:54.000 Meanwhile, I am amazed at the spectacle of the Biden administration saying that, you know, people should have gotten out early. 0.74

00:37:00.000 We were telling them they needed to get out earlier and then they didn't get out earlier.

00:37:02.000 So if they got stuck, it's really their own fault. 1.00

00:37:04.000 There's only one problem with that, which is that Joe Biden is a damned liar. 0.99

00:37:07.000 You'll remember in July, he said the government was not going to fall. 0.99

00:37:10.000 Now he's like, well, we were telling people back in March they should leave.

00:37:12.000 Really?

00:37:13.000 In July, you were saying the government wasn't going to fall.

00:37:15.000 Not only that, in July, the president of the United States called up the then Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, And some of the transcript has now been leaked.

00:37:26.000 This was July 23rd.

00:37:28.000 And he was telling Ghani to lie to everybody and say that everything was hunky-dory.

00:37:31.000 How are you expecting people to take you seriously when you are actively encouraging the president of Afghanistan to lie about the situation being just fine?

00:37:39.000 And there's only one reason that Joe Biden wanted that.

00:37:43.000 The one reason that Joe Biden wanted that is to shore up his own domestic political failures.

00:37:47.000 He didn't want people to know that things were collapsing that quickly.

00:37:50.000 Because then everybody would have been like, whoa, maybe it was a bad idea to announce to your mortal enemy, the Taliban, what date you were going to leave, how you were going to leave, and then withdraw all air support.

00:37:59.000 Here's what Biden said to Ghani.

00:38:00.000 It's unbelievable.

00:38:01.000 Remember, Donald Trump was impeached over a Ukraine phone call.

00:38:04.000 There are some problems with that phone call.

00:38:06.000 Nothing, to me, approaching the level of the president of the United States calling up the Afghan president and telling him to overtly lie to the world about the military situation on the ground in Afghanistan.

00:38:18.000 Here's what Biden said, quote, you know, I'm a moment late, but I mean it sincerely.

00:38:22.000 Hey, look, I want to make it clear.

00:38:23.000 I'm not a military man any more than you are, but I have been meeting with our Pentagon folks and our national security people, as you have been with ours and yours.

00:38:29.000 And as you know, and as I need not tell you, the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things aren't going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban.

00:38:37.000 And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.

00:38:44.000 There's a need to project a different picture.

00:38:49.000 I mean, like, that's amazing.

00:38:51.000 He's telling him overtly to lie.

00:38:53.000 By the way, he also lied to him this way.

00:38:54.000 He said, we're going to continue to make sure your Air Force is capable of continuing to fly and provide air support.

00:38:59.000 This is what he told Ghani in July.

00:39:00.000 Lie.

00:39:01.000 He did not continue to provide air support.

00:39:03.000 He withdrew all military contractors from the country.

00:39:07.000 He said, in addition to that, we're going to continue to fight hard diplomatically, politically, economically, make sure your government not only survives, but it's sustained and grows because it is clearly in the interest of the people of Afghanistan that you succeed and that you lead.

00:39:19.000 I find you a brilliant and honorable man, but the perception is that things are falling apart.

00:39:25.000 And we need that perception to change.

00:39:27.000 It's not about the reality on the ground changing.

00:39:29.000 Ghani replied, said, Mr. President, we're facing a full-scale invasion composed of Taliban, full Pakistani planning, logistical support, at least 10 to 15,000 international terrorists, predominantly Pakistanis, thrown into this.

00:39:39.000 So that dimension needs to be taken account of.

00:39:42.000 He said, what is crucial, right?

00:39:44.000 This is Ghani speaking to Biden, right?

00:39:45.000 This is a leaked transcript of a phone call that Biden will not be impeached over.

00:39:49.000 What is crucial is that close air support.

00:39:51.000 And if I could make a request, if your assistance, particularly to our air force, be front loaded, because what we need at this moment, there is a very heavy reliance on air power.

00:39:59.000 We have prioritized that if it could be at all front loaded, we will greatly appreciate it.

00:40:05.000 And so, and Biden didn't do any of that.

00:40:08.000 And then he said, look, close air support works only if there is a military strategy on the ground to support.

00:40:13.000 So he overtly, he said, we're going to give you the air support.

00:40:16.000 And Ghani's like, okay, well, we'd like to see it.

00:40:17.000 And he's like, well, you're not getting it.

00:40:19.000 And then he says, well, why didn't people leave earlier?

00:40:23.000 While I was encouraging the president of Afghanistan, what a, what a, what a dishonest piece of work the president of the United States is.

00:40:30.000 So Jen Psaki was asked specifically about this pathetic phone call from the President of the United States urging the Afghan President to lie to the general public while withdrawing close air support. 0.76

00:40:39.000 And she, of course, dodged the question.

00:40:41.000 She'll circle back around.

00:40:43.000 There's some reporting that we'd like to confirm regarding a call in July, rather, between President Biden and former Afghanistan President Ghani.

00:40:51.000 Is that accurate?

00:40:51.000 Can you tell us a little bit more about that call?

00:40:54.000 Well, I'm not going to get into private diplomatic conversations or leaked transcripts of phone calls.

00:40:59.000 Was the president in any way pushing a false narrative in that call with the Afghan president?

00:41:04.000 I think it's pretty clear.

00:41:05.000 Again, I'm not going to go into details of a private conversation.

00:41:11.000 Oh, you're not going to go into details?

00:41:12.000 It's not private anymore.

00:41:13.000 It's right out there.

00:41:14.000 Are you saying it's not true?

00:41:15.000 Because we've seen it.

00:41:17.000 So her play is this thing that was classified has now been leaked.

00:41:23.000 The entire American public can see it.

00:41:24.000 It's on the headline of every major newspaper in the world.

00:41:27.000 I won't comment because it was classified and now you've all read it.

00:41:30.000 Weird.

00:41:31.000 I noticed that she had no problem speaking repeatedly about things like the SEAL dossier for four years.

00:41:37.000 Meanwhile, we are learning that a majority of Afghans who had worked for the U.S.

00:41:40.000 military and applied for special immigrant visas had not been successfully evacuated and remained in Afghanistan.

00:41:46.000 A senior State Department official said it appeared that a majority, a majority are still there.

00:41:53.000 According to the senior official, I don't have an estimate for you on the number of SIVs and family members who are still there.

00:41:57.000 I would say it's the majority of them, just based on anecdotal information about the populations we were able to support.

00:42:03.000 State Department spokesperson Ned Price said that of about 31,000 people evacuated from Afghanistan to the United States between August 17th and August 31st, roughly 23,000 were Afghan allies and family members considered at risk by the Taliban.

00:42:16.000 The effort was hampered by the unpredictable role of the Taliban stationed along routes into the airport, the official said.

00:42:22.000 The Taliban cooperated in some cases, but in other cases blocked Afghan nationals from proceeding to the airport, according to the official.

00:42:28.000 On Tuesday, based on the initial figures then available from the Pentagon, NBC News reported 8,500 Afghan allies had been evacuated.

00:42:34.000 It was not clear if all of those 8,500 were applicants for SIVs or other expedited visas.

00:42:39.000 On Wednesday, the Pentagon then released new figures saying that about 20,000 Afghans had arrived at eight military bases in the United States.

00:42:47.000 He said there were also another 40,000 Afghan evacuees but did not provide a breakdown on how many of these people were actually screened, who these people were, were they SIVs, were they translators?

00:42:56.000 Basically what happened is that at the very beginning they just loaded people on planes and took them.

00:42:59.000 They didn't screen any of them.

00:43:00.000 That's probably what was happening at the very beginning.

00:43:03.000 The reason I say this is because you could literally see the Afghans swarming the runway as all of this was happening.

00:43:09.000 All of which has driven the Washington Post To correctly point out that this is a disaster area.

00:43:15.000 They say this is, again, this is the Washington Post editorial board.

00:43:17.000 quote, this is a moral disaster, one attributable not to the actions of military and diplomatic personnel, but to mistakes strategic and tactical by Mr.

00:43:25.000 Biden and his administration.

00:43:27.000 Correct.

00:43:28.000 The Biden administration says the Washington Post says they will not be forgotten.

00:43:32.000 Plans already are being developed, officials say, for continued efforts to extract people.

00:43:35.000 Nearly 100 nations issued a statement, etc.

00:43:38.000 Any assurances by the Taliban clash with statements their spokesperson made during the crisis that the United States was wrongly inducing Afghans to leave.

00:43:46.000 So even the Washington Post is like, yeah, this is just nonsense.

00:43:49.000 By the way, U.S.

00:43:50.000 citizens are still stranded there.

00:43:52.000 They said no one told them to leave.

00:43:54.000 According to the New York Post, a terrified American citizen who was an interpreter for the U.S.

00:43:58.000 military has said she's now stranded in Afghanistan because nobody told her the last flights were leaving on Monday.

00:44:03.000 The interpreter was using a pseudonym for safety.

00:44:06.000 She said, I just found out that the last U.S.

00:44:08.000 troops left.

00:44:08.000 I was just silent for a while.

00:44:09.000 I can't believe no one told me this is the last flight.

00:44:12.000 She says, they left us to whom?

00:44:14.000 To those people who wanted to always kill us?

00:44:16.000 It's heartbreaking.

00:44:17.000 I still had hoped that we would leave.

00:44:19.000 She said she repeatedly attempted to get through to Mercy Flights at Kabul, detailing how she was instructed to hold up an umbrella and shout out a code word, but nothing worked to get past the checkpoints and the thousands trying to flee.

00:44:29.000 She says, if Americans couldn't help me when they were on the ground, what the hell do they expect to do now?

00:44:34.000 She says that she is sheltering 37 people at her house, including 19 children, two of whom are disabled.

00:44:40.000 So really, well done.

00:44:41.000 It was a historic success.

00:44:42.000 A historic success.

00:44:45.000 Amazing.

00:44:45.000 The State Department spokesperson, Ned Price, who is basically the Baghdad Bob of this operation, he says, you know, so he's asked, so you guys said that there'd be other ways for Americans to escape.

00:44:55.000 Are you aware of any Americans who have left since the United States abandoned Afghanistan a couple of days ago?

00:45:00.000 No answer.

00:45:00.000 Do you have a number for, have any Americans gotten out since that last flight?

00:45:07.000 I don't have, I don't have data to provide on that front.

00:45:11.000 Okay, now this is doing some pretty severe damage to Joe Biden, as well it should, according to Civics polls, right?

00:45:17.000 So they have polls of presidential approval in every state.

00:45:20.000 His approval rating has dropped by 11 points in Arizona, 4 in Colorado, 11 in Florida, 13 in Georgia, 9 in Michigan, 4 in Minnesota, 4 in Nevada, 7 in New Mexico, 12 in North Carolina, 12 in Pennsylvania, 25 in Texas, 6 in Virginia, and 6 in Wisconsin.

00:45:36.000 Those are really bad numbers for the President of the United States.

00:45:39.000 And heading into 2022, this looks like wipeout territory for the Democrats.

00:45:43.000 So, of course, they are banking again on January 6th and the January 6th Commission.

00:45:46.000 I just don't think that dog is going to hunt.

00:45:49.000 There's only one group of people in power right now.

00:45:51.000 There is one man who made this decision.

00:45:53.000 He sits at the head of the United States government.

00:45:55.000 The decision is disastrous.

00:45:57.000 The ramifications are horrific.

00:45:58.000 And he's going to bear the brunt of the political firestorm that is to come, as well he should.

00:46:04.000 Democrats decided, they chose decline.

00:46:06.000 They chose this.

00:46:08.000 It was a free, willing, unnecessary choice that was made here.

00:46:11.000 Americans are still behind enemy lines.

00:46:13.000 Those Americans are not going to get out. 1.00

00:46:16.000 Now the hope is that the media will save them.

00:46:17.000 The hope is that the media will just abandon those people behind enemy lines and they'll move on to the next news cycle.

00:46:21.000 Maybe that's right.

00:46:22.000 Maybe it is.

00:46:23.000 Or, maybe, a couple weeks from now, ISIS will chop somebody's head off, he's an American citizen, and Joe Biden will be out front explaining how we're working with the Taliban in order to stop ISIS.

00:46:34.000 We have to work with the Taliban now. 0.99

00:46:36.000 By the way, that is, in fact, the new line from the Biden administration.

00:46:40.000 We'll see how popular that one is.

00:46:42.000 All right, speaking of which...

00:46:45.000 This is, in fact, the new line from the Biden administration, is that we are going to be besties with testes, with the Taliban.

00:46:50.000 It's gonna be amazing.

00:46:51.000 So, General Mark Milley, who's very concerned with white rage, he's not concerned with Taliban rage so much.

00:46:56.000 Like, they're good guys.

00:46:58.000 He's very concerned with white rage.

00:46:59.000 The same administration that says that you, a law-abiding American citizen, cannot have an AR-15, says we should hand over probably hundreds of thousands of M4s to the Taliban, as well as helicopters and everything else.

00:47:09.000 So, I said on the show, A while back, that was $83 billion in U.S.

00:47:13.000 military equipment that had been handed over to the Taliban.

00:47:15.000 It turns out that's not right.

00:47:16.000 There was a fact check from the media on this particular issue.

00:47:19.000 It turns out that it is not, in fact, that amount.

00:47:23.000 I'm sorry.

00:47:23.000 I apologize.

00:47:24.000 It was only tens of billions of dollars in United States military equipment.

00:47:27.000 So that obviously makes things much, much better.

00:47:30.000 But the good news is we handed them over to people who are just going to use them for the best purposes.

00:47:33.000 So, for example, the Taliban has now handed over our weapons to Iran.

00:47:38.000 So that's good.

00:47:39.000 I mean, at least we're using a middleman now.

00:47:41.000 When it was Obama, he was just sending direct pallets of cash to the Taliban.

00:47:44.000 Now, they're actually just sending weapons.

00:47:47.000 They're loading them literally onto trucks and then sending them to Iran. 0.73

00:47:51.000 According to reporter Mara Sogham, photos and reports from Iranian and Afghan social media show the Taliban have handed U.S.

00:47:56.000 tanks and Humvees to Iran.

00:47:58.000 Below is a photo of Humvees being transported towards Tehran.

00:48:01.000 Things working out real well over there.

00:48:03.000 General Mark Milley.

00:48:04.000 There's that picture.

00:48:05.000 That's all the stuff that you paid for and I paid for.

00:48:10.000 And now it's gonna be wielded by Iran. 0.85

00:48:13.000 Just well done.

00:48:13.000 Well done.

00:48:14.000 General Mark Milley, he says, you know what?

00:48:16.000 We have new friends.

00:48:17.000 Our friends might be the Taliban. 1.00

00:48:20.000 I can tell you from personal experience that this is a ruthless group from the past, and whether or not they change remains to be seen.

00:48:30.000 Oh, does it?

00:48:31.000 And as far as our dealings with them at that airfield or in the past year or so, in war, you do what you must in order to reduce risk to mission and force, not what you necessarily want to do.

00:48:43.000 Any possibility of coordination against ISIS-K?

00:48:46.000 It's possible.

00:48:52.000 It's possible.

00:48:53.000 We might be coordinating with the Taliban against ISIS-K.

00:48:55.000 So again, this is this bizarre Democrat notion that terrorist groups never work together.

00:49:01.000 And the Taliban and ISIS-K, the Taliban will have an interest in working with us against ISIS-K, right? 0.99

00:49:05.000 That worked out great for the 13 service people who were murdered just last week. 0.98

00:49:11.000 It's working out great over there.

00:49:12.000 It's not like Al-Qaeda and ISIS are flooding into the country.

00:49:14.000 It's not like the reason we went into Afghanistan in the first place is because the Taliban had opened its arms to terror groups.

00:49:21.000 But, you know, maybe we'll work with them.

00:49:22.000 Maybe it'll be good.

00:49:23.000 Meanwhile, what is the Taliban doing?

00:49:24.000 They're mocking the United States.

00:49:26.000 Of course!

00:49:27.000 Of course!

00:49:27.000 They held a mock funeral, the Taliban did, for the United States, complete with a flag-draped American coffin.

00:49:34.000 You can see the images here.

00:49:35.000 There's also a French flag there as well.

00:49:38.000 And a NATO flag, it looks like.

00:49:41.000 And so these... I love the 7th century barbarians carrying American-made technology there. 0.97

00:49:46.000 How many people there are holding up iPhones?

00:49:47.000 So you got the British flag, the French flag.

00:49:50.000 These are our new allies, guys.

00:49:52.000 They're our best friends.

00:49:53.000 It's going to be so effective.

00:49:53.000 And you know what?

00:49:54.000 Because remember that airstrike?

00:49:56.000 The one where we sent a drone missile into a car and it may have, in fact, just shredded like seven kids?

00:50:03.000 You know that one?

00:50:05.000 So yeah, the Taliban is going to provide us excellent on-the-ground... We have over-the-rising capacity, right? 0.89

00:50:09.000 That's what Joe Biden says.

00:50:10.000 Which is more like over-the-rainbow capacity, but we have over-the-horizon capacity.

00:50:13.000 Which is a nice way of saying we don't have anybody on ground anywhere near where we need to hit.

00:50:17.000 So we're going back to the 1998 shoot-a-missile-into-a-camel's-ass strategy from Bill Clinton. 0.88

00:50:21.000 That had no dire ramifications, right?

00:50:23.000 I mean, if we just start from that 1998 strategy again and replay history with the exact same people in the exact same place, I wonder, might there be some ra- If we think historically, did anything happen after we did that?

00:50:34.000 Like, you know, around September of 2001 or so.

00:50:38.000 Anyway.

00:50:39.000 And the Taliban was also parading US military hardware.

00:50:41.000 Don't worry guys, it wasn't 83 billion dollars of military hardware.

00:50:43.000 It was only like, probably 20, 30 billion dollars of American military hardware.

00:50:48.000 Glad we could turn that over to them.

00:50:51.000 So that was great.

00:50:51.000 By the way, the media, who are just doing stenography for the Biden administration, half of them are tweeting out things like, we disabled some of our military equipment at the final bases we left.

00:51:00.000 Oh, you mean like the last place we left, we disabled some of the military equipment?

00:51:03.000 Because I'm noticing not a lot of disabled military equipment right there.

00:51:07.000 And I noticed the Taliban flying around Blackhawk helicopters the other day.

00:51:11.000 Matt Zeller, former CIA analyst who's on CNN and MSNBC, he says, yeah, you know, the Taliban are new friends.

00:51:17.000 They're going to be So imagine if they had listened to us.

00:51:25.000 Because in some alternate reality they did, and every single one of those Afghans is now here and alive. 0.98

00:51:31.000 Unfortunately, they didn't.

00:51:32.000 And so the reality is, is that the Taliban have already begun hunting these people down.

00:51:36.000 I have video evidence of them doing it, of taking people that we were actively trying to assist, They're waiting to form a new government before they punish these people, but our fear is that you'll begin to see mass executions within the next couple of weeks.

00:51:53.000 Yep.

00:51:54.000 But don't worry, they'll still be our friends because Joe Biden needs them to be our friends for his PR proposal that he has actually done a masterful job throughout all of this.

00:52:02.000 Okay.

00:52:02.000 Meanwhile, on the COVID front, the kind of screaming and screeching is getting louder and louder and less and less consistent.

00:52:11.000 It really is kind of a bizarre thing.

00:52:13.000 So why don't we start with Joe Rogan.

00:52:16.000 So Joe Rogan, Of course, it was announced that he got COVID.

00:52:20.000 And now, that is not a particularly big story.

00:52:24.000 You know why it's not a story?

00:52:25.000 Because like hundreds of thousands of people have COVID right now.

00:52:28.000 The question is how many people are getting super sick and dying from it.

00:52:31.000 But Rogan is, of course, in the category of people who did not vaccinate and therefore are morally bereft, according to the left.

00:52:37.000 Now, here's my view on this.

00:52:39.000 I disagree with Joe.

00:52:40.000 I think he should have taken the vaccine.

00:52:41.000 I took the vaccine.

00:52:43.000 I think the risk factors from COVID are significantly higher than the risk factors from the actual vaccine.

00:52:47.000 But Joe disagrees.

00:52:48.000 He's a free human being and he's capable of making those decisions.

00:52:51.000 However, what the media have decided to do...

00:52:54.000 Because they've decided to mock Rogan.

00:52:55.000 This is the way that it works, right?

00:52:57.000 If you are a Democrat and you get COVID, that's just a tragedy, an unavoidable tragedy.

00:53:00.000 If you're a Republican or a non-Democrat, or if you didn't take the vaccine and you get COVID, then we get to mock and laugh at you, which is a really interesting standard, morally speaking, because it turns out that people get health conditions on a routine basis that they could have avoided had they made different choices.

00:53:14.000 I wonder if we're now going to apply the same logic to people who have STDs, for example.

00:53:18.000 Like, if you get an STD, which you could have avoided because you didn't have to put your thing there, If you're not going to get vaccinated, you don't want to social distance, you don't want to wear a mask, then maybe you don't want to go to the hospital when you get sick.

00:53:27.000 Don Lemon says, if you're unvaccinated, we just should not have hospitals care for you.

00:53:30.000 You shouldn't go to the hospital.

00:53:33.000 If you're not gonna get vaccinated, you don't want a social distance, you don't want to wear a mask, then maybe you don't want to go to the hospital when you get sick.

00:53:40.000 I know that sounds harsh, but you're taking up the space for people who are doing things the right way.

00:53:48.000 Yes, again, as I've said before, I'm looking forward to that logic being extended to all sorts of avoidable health conditions that people don't take mitigation measures with regard to.

00:53:57.000 So for example, if you get heart disease because you've been fat for 40 years, and your doctor has told you for 40 years that you should lose some weight and stop eating cheese every single day of your life, and then you get a heart clog, you get an arterial clog, maybe you should do what Don Lemon says, you just don't go to the hospital anymore.

00:54:12.000 I mean, that's the way that this works now, right?

00:54:14.000 You make a different decision than Don Lemon would make.

00:54:17.000 And then, presumably, you have to bear the... Welcome to libertarian land, Don Lemon.

00:54:20.000 It's really fascinating to see you here.

00:54:22.000 I did not... I never expected that.

00:54:24.000 I'm looking forward, as I say, to this being applied to all sorts of sexually transmitted diseases, which are completely avoidable if you just don't put that thing there.

00:54:31.000 And yeah, we'll see how that works out for you.

00:54:34.000 Also, the media have decided... They're doing this routine with regard to Rogan, because Rogan is very popular and he's very bad, because Joe Rogan has people like me on his show sometimes.

00:54:43.000 So this means that he's a bad man, Joe Rogan.

00:54:46.000 When he's a very rich bad man, who's rich and bad.

00:54:49.000 And this means that Joe Rogan, who announced that he had been taking things like monoclonal antibodies, which by the way, are highly effective.

00:54:55.000 And then he said that he had also been taking prednisone, which is a widely accepted steroid treatment.

00:55:03.000 And then he also said that he had taken a vitamin drip as well as ivermectin.

00:55:08.000 Okay, so what you've heard from the media is it is a horse deworming drug.

00:55:13.000 Right, this is what you keep hearing.

00:55:14.000 It's for horse, it's for animal deworming.

00:55:16.000 Now, ivermectin could be used to deworm horses.

00:55:19.000 Sure.

00:55:20.000 Also, that's really an inapt and inaccurate description of what ivermectin is.

00:55:26.000 It's really, it's sort of like when they were describing hydroxychloroquine as a fish tank cleaner.

00:55:31.000 Remember they kept saying this?

00:55:32.000 It's the same thing as a fish tank cleaner. 1.00

00:55:33.000 And then some idiot went and used fish tank cleaner to try and allegedly kill her husband. 1.00

00:55:38.000 And then we were like, this is because of Trump telling people to take fish tank cleaner. 1.00

00:55:42.000 So now they keep calling it a horse drug and so people who are interested in the possible impact of ivermectin are listening to the media and they're actually going out and trying to get like dosages of horse drugs. 1.00

00:55:52.000 Because the media are just idiotic and they're liars. 1.00

00:55:55.000 Here's what ivermectin actually is. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Okay, this is from Forbes.

00:55:58.000 Forbes magazine in October of 2015.

00:56:02.000 Nobel Prize winning drug ivermectin may fight malaria.

00:56:07.000 Resurrecting old drugs for unmet medical needs, known more formally as drug repurposing, was an important message in the Nobel Prize for Medicine earlier this month.

00:56:14.000 It came up today too, with the intriguing study showing that the antiparasitic drug ivermectin, it's an antiparasitic, appears promising for disrupting malaria transmission.

00:56:22.000 This new finding was presented today at the American Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene Annual Meeting by researchers from Colorado State University.

00:56:29.000 Ivermectin has been used for decades, given once per year as part of the Mass Drug Administration Program to reduce the disabling worm infections onchocerciasis, which causes river blindness, and filariasis, the cause of the hugely swollen legs, elephantiasis.

00:56:45.000 Merck has generously donated the entire supply of the drug.

00:56:47.000 In Sub-Saharan Africa, each year, a deadly malaria parasite kills 584,000 people per year, most of them kids.

00:56:54.000 They started using ivermectin for the kids.

00:56:57.000 And apparently, there is a serious reduction in childhood malaria episodes in these particular villages.

00:57:04.000 Okay, so, here is the thing.

00:57:06.000 It can be used to deworm.

00:57:09.000 Also, it has been used for many other purposes.

00:57:12.000 And the Nobel Prize was awarded to researchers in ivermectin, some of whom have suggested that this thing might be effective against COVID.

00:57:20.000 So, I have no view on ivermectin because I've seen no studies on the efficacy of ivermectin for use against COVID.

00:57:27.000 I can tell you, it is deeply inaccurate for the media to continue just saying that Joe Rogan and company are taking horse deworming drugs for no apparent reason and no scientists... Guys, you did the same thing with hydroxychloroquine.

00:57:39.000 It turned out that that might've had an impact, especially if taken early on.

00:57:43.000 It's amazing to watch the media shift in real time on what works and what doesn't, based completely on politics.

00:57:49.000 Like, completely on politics.

00:57:50.000 Remember, monoclonal antibodies became bad the moment that Ron DeSantis mentioned them.

00:57:53.000 Hydroxychloroquine became bad the moment Trump mentioned it.

00:57:56.000 Nivromectin became bad the moment that Joe Rogan started taking it.

00:57:59.000 And that is the way all of this works. 0.98

00:58:01.000 Meanwhile, they'll continue to idiotically scare the hell out of people who are already vaccinated. 0.97

00:58:08.000 Again, the goal here is just do what the government wants. 0.96

00:58:10.000 Just do what they want, even if it's completely conflicting.

00:58:12.000 So you have an entire piece in the Washington Post talking about how a breakthrough case of COVID can still really be bad.

00:58:20.000 It can be really bad.

00:58:21.000 Now, the reality, breakthrough cases of COVID are extremely rare in terms of having significant symptoms.

00:58:27.000 You can get a breakthrough case of COVID, it usually manifests as a flu or like a very mild flu or a cold.

00:58:33.000 But there's an entire long piece in the Washington Post about a person named Andrew Kinsey who was vaccinated.

00:58:40.000 For nearly a week after getting a breakthrough case, Kinsey felt like he'd been run over by a truck.

00:58:44.000 He struggled to walk a few steps and to stay awake through episodes of the TV show Doomsday Preppers.

00:58:48.000 He returned to work last Monday as a corporate litigator but needs midday naps.

00:58:53.000 He says it's important for people to know that what they picture in their head of a bad cold isn't necessarily what will happen even if they get a mild course.

00:58:59.000 Kinsey and other vaccinated people who develop breakthrough cases of COVID-19 are learning a mild case may not seem so mild to the person enduring the infection.

00:59:07.000 Those cases can be modest as a few days of sniffles, but in other circumstances can spawn debilitating headaches and fatigue.

00:59:13.000 Symptoms can persist longer than the usual cold.

00:59:16.000 Now, um, I perused this entire article and what I noticed is that there is literally no data with regard to how many people are reporting, like, super serious symptoms.

00:59:30.000 Also, if you get a really bad flu, there are no articles about that.

00:59:33.000 Instead, it's just a bunch of anecdotal stuff about how people have gotten sick and they're feeling sick and stuff, which is true of the flu every single year and it is not a public health issue.

00:59:45.000 The media's main narrative seems to be, do whatever you are told.

00:59:49.000 And we're not going to present data to tell you why you should do what you're told.

00:59:51.000 You just need to do what you're told.

00:59:53.000 And then we'll just cherry pick data to push a particular regimen, a course of action.

01:00:01.000 So for example, there's a big Bangladesh study that was touted yesterday.

01:00:05.000 This big Bangladesh study, touted yesterday was, they followed like 360 people in Bangladesh.

01:00:10.000 They had different villages that were assigned masks and not assigned masks.

01:00:13.000 And what the study found is that where there were mask mandates, there tended to be social distancing.

01:00:19.000 Where there was social distancing, there tended to be a drop in the virus.

01:00:23.000 They said that surgical masks seem to make more of a difference than cloth masks, although there was some pretty, yeah, like some difference.

01:00:29.000 Not a huge difference, but some difference.

01:00:31.000 Okay, then they said that there was a pretty significant decrease in terms of the effect on symptomatic seroprevalence by age group, meaning symptomatic COVID by age group.

01:00:39.000 If you're above the age of 60, there's about a 35% decrease in your symptomatic COVID attainment if you were in a village that had a surgical mask mandate.

01:00:49.000 And if you're 50 to 60, same thing, right?

01:00:50.000 There's a serious decrease, like 23% decrease.

01:00:53.000 What's weird about this particular study is it shows no statistically significant decrease in the attainment of symptomatic COVID if you were below the age of 50.

01:01:03.000 None.

01:01:04.000 And now people are going to be using this study to say that children need to mask.

01:01:08.000 No evidence from this study.

01:01:09.000 Children need to mask.

01:01:09.000 They're going to be saying from this study that mask mandates generally work, which of course ignores the fact that countrywide mask mandates really don't.

01:01:17.000 We've not seen any significant evidence that countrywide mask mandates are particularly effective.

01:01:21.000 So they're going to cherry pick the data, meaning that the upper age brackets here We're helped by a mask mandate.

01:01:29.000 That is not particularly shocking.

01:01:31.000 Those are the people most vulnerable.

01:01:32.000 Now, what do you do in a country like the United States where the vast majority of people 60 and up are vaccinated?

01:01:36.000 Okay, that's a way better protection than masking.

01:01:39.000 We know this for a fact.

01:01:41.000 So what the hell are we talking about?

01:01:42.000 And yet this is gonna be big news.

01:01:44.000 Masking works.

01:01:45.000 Tell people to mask.

01:01:46.000 Mask mandates, mask mandates.

01:01:47.000 Or, alternatively, if you can get vaccinated, masks are now not relevant.

01:01:52.000 Why are we talking about masking?

01:01:54.000 And the answer is, it's just endless.

01:01:57.000 It's endless.

01:01:57.000 We're in the endless pandemic, and because we're in the endless pandemic, we have to continue talking about measures like masking that are way less effective than vaccines.

01:02:05.000 And in order to push that, we have to have articles in the Washington Post about how even if you're vaccinated, you might get a bad, mean case of COVID, and it might feel like the flu, and you might feel yucky afterward for a while.

01:02:16.000 And by the way, that happens with diseases all the time.

01:02:17.000 When I was younger, I had a case of salmonella.

01:02:19.000 I felt crappy for like a year.

01:02:21.000 That is not rare.

01:02:23.000 But the idea here, again, is that they're gonna offer you all sorts of conflicting information, then out from the clouds will step Anthony Fauci, and you must listen to Anthony Fauci or you're anti-the science.

01:02:33.000 Meanwhile, we will tell you that ivermectin is only used for horse deworming.

01:02:36.000 We will tell you that even if you're vaccinated, You might get a really bad case of COVID.

01:02:40.000 We won't give you any stats to back that up.

01:02:42.000 We'll tell you without any evidence whatsoever that it is mandatory that you vaccinate, that you mask your three-year-old child with a cloth mask in the middle of Delta.

01:02:48.000 By the way, this study here was not done with regard to Delta.

01:02:50.000 The study was done with regard to the original variant.

01:02:52.000 Delta has 300 times the viral load.

01:02:55.000 We'd love to see the stats on how effective surgical masks are with regard to a virus that has 300 times the viral load that the original virus had.

01:03:03.000 You're not going to see any of that.

01:03:04.000 You're just going to see the headlines.

01:03:06.000 And so you end up with people acting irrationally, and people acting in great fear for their lives when this is not necessary.

01:03:12.000 I mean, I know lots of people who are like this.

01:03:15.000 What you end up with is a complete breakdown between two groups.

01:03:18.000 One, people who are utterly paranoid about every single little thing, and people who think all of it's bullcrap and they're just going to take their chances.

01:03:25.000 That's what you're seeing society break down into, right?

01:03:27.000 People who are like, I'm triple vaxxed, right?

01:03:29.000 I'm double vaxxed, I'm getting a booster, and I still will not go to a place where somebody could have a virus, including a child, because who knows?

01:03:39.000 I could die.

01:03:39.000 It could be me.

01:03:40.000 I could be the one. 0.98

01:03:42.000 We're turning into a society of those people versus the people who are like, all these people are crazy.

01:03:46.000 I'm not taking anything. 0.84

01:03:47.000 I'm taking my chances even though I'm 65 and fat.

01:03:50.000 It's like, well, you know, what would have been great is if the institutions of our society had not completely destroyed their own credibility by declaring themselves so elite that they didn't have to actually, by telling platonic lies that were designed to protect the people from themselves.

01:04:04.000 Because all you end up with is people who believe they are part of the platonic lying group, and therefore have to mask up as a model to everybody else, and people who say, you lied to me, why would I possibly trust you ever, ever again?

01:04:16.000 Alrighty, we've reached the end of today's show, but we'll be back here later today with an additional hour of content.

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