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00:01:11.000Well, yesterday, of course, was Martin Luther King Jr. Day, a day celebrating the legacy of a man who is famous in the United States for saying that we ought to judge people based on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
00:01:23.000Because so many Democrats were deeply involved in the civil rights movement here, I speak mostly about LBJ and some Northern Democrats, because, of course, the story of the Civil Rights Act is one of Southern Democrats largely opposing the civil rights movement.
00:01:37.000All of the main actors opposing the civil rights movement were, in fact, Southern Democrats.
00:01:43.000Despite that, Democrats have been searching ever since the Civil Rights Movement for the next civil rights movement.
00:01:48.000And we've seen many iterations of this over the course of the subsequent decades.
00:01:53.000We saw a quasi-civil rights movement, for example, pushed by the left with regard to gender and sexuality, the idea that women had to be freed from the predations of the patriarchy the same way that black people required freeing from the predations of Jim Crow.
00:02:10.000And then we heard the same thing with regard to LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign, that this was the new civil rights movement.
00:02:16.000Well, now Democrats seem to have hit upon the idea that the new civil rights movement is, in fact, illegal immigration, that illegal immigrants must be allowed to stay in the United States, and that enforcement of the law with regard to illegal immigration is itself a form of white supremacy.
00:02:32.000The reason that Democrats are stretching on this one is because in other areas, they're sort of running out of examples of widespread American racism, like true policy-driven American racism.
00:02:44.000They're running out of those examples.
00:02:47.000So, just to take a quick example, Eric Holder, the former Attorney General of the United States on Martin Luther King Day, suggested that the Voting Rights Act is under deep and abiding threat.
00:02:59.000And not only that, that there is the threat that America was about to be re-segregated by the Trump administration.
00:03:05.000We are experiencing unprecedented mid-decade gerrymandering attempts to design to disproportionately disenfranchise black and brown voters as the president desperately clings to power like an insecure dictator.
00:03:23.000There is a concerted effort to re-segregate America.
00:03:29.000Okay, there is not, in fact, a concerted effort to resegregate America, and no one who is sentient in America believes that there is.
00:03:35.000No one is worried that black Americans are now going to be forced to drink out of different water fountains or be forced to go to different schools or that we are going to re-segregate restaurants or anything like that.
00:03:48.000The reality is that the story of the post-Jim Crow racial situation in America was one of increasing good relations between the races.
00:03:59.000And this was true all the way up to 2013 by the polling data.
00:04:02.000A vast majority of both black Americans and white Americans up until about 2013 thought that American race relations were improving steadily and that they had improved markedly since the 1960s.
00:04:13.000And then, of course, we slipped into the BLM era and the late stages of the Obama presidency.
00:04:18.000And that sort of sunk Americans' perceptions of race relations.
00:04:22.000But that does not suggest in reality that black Americans are being held underfoot by white Americans, that white supremacy is really what rules the roost these days.
00:04:32.000So Democrats are looking for their new civil rights movement because if, in fact, you want to make a moral case for heavy government involvement in something, well, you can make a very good moral case for heavy government involvement to prevent unjustifiable discrimination.
00:04:49.000Now, if you go back to the 1960s and you want to relitigate the effects of the Civil Rights Act and talk about the fact that the Civil Rights Act in certain areas stepped on constitutional norms, that's a case made by Christopher Caldwell.
00:05:02.000But if you want to make the case that today black Americans are victims of a white supremacist system, that is a very difficult case to make.
00:05:09.000And so Democrats need another excuse for why they ought to be in charge, why they have the moral high ground.
00:05:18.000Again, the Democratic Party has lost the moral high ground on a wide variety of issues.
00:05:22.000The Democratic Party has become not only the abortion on demand party, but the celebrate your abortion party.
00:05:27.000The Democratic Party has become a party that cannot exactly explain to you why a woman isn't a man and a man isn't a woman.
00:05:34.000The Democratic Party has become the party of full-scale open borders.
00:05:37.000And so now they are going to attempt to cram the illegal immigration issue into the missized hole that is the civil rights discussion.
00:05:50.000You could see this all throughout yesterday.
00:05:53.000Just tons of discussion about the idea that ICE was actually a new white supremacist force in America, cracking down on illegal immigrants on the basis of race.
00:06:02.000So, for example, Jennifer Welch, who for some odd reason has now become the podcast pro.
00:06:12.000They said that they somehow they couldn't speak to young males.
00:06:14.000And so they needed their own version of Joe Rogan.
00:06:17.000Well, what they came up with was a middle-aged white liberal lady who tends to screech at you in terms of her rhetorical radicalism.
00:06:27.000And here she was over MLK Day suggesting that the administration is filled with white supremacists because they wish to enforce the law into poor people who are in the country illegally.
00:06:39.000So that is one of those white evangelical churches that turn out to vote for Donald Trump 80 plus percent of that sect of Christianity.
00:06:50.000These are the don't tread on me, folks.
00:06:52.000These are the people who feel like America is for Americans and Americans only.
00:07:20.000You went right into the most entitled white nationalists there are, and they feel that ICE is 100% justified.
00:07:29.000Okay, so I'm just going to point out this is insane.
00:07:30.000What she is talking about here is, as we played on the show a couple of days ago, a situation in which anti-ICE protesters descended upon a church where they were claiming that the pastor was some sort of ICE agent, and they proceeded to disrupt the services, which is in all likelihood a violation of federal law, a violation of the so-called FACE Act.
00:07:51.000On Sunday, Don Lemon, this is the person she's talking to in that clip, entered the city's church during a service along with anti-ICE agitators, according to Fox News, and began filming, telling viewers the freedom to protest is what the First Amendment is all about.
00:08:03.000Now, the reality is that you do not actually have the First Amendment right to walk into private property and just start protesting.
00:08:41.000But it's enough to say that they are apparently right-tinged, and this makes them white supremacists.
00:08:49.000Now, again, when you watch that film, it looks as though there are a bunch of people there, not all of whom are white.
00:08:54.000City's church lists eight pastors of varying roles, including David Easterwood, who shares the same name as the acting director of ICE St. Paul office.
00:09:03.000The fact that this is now considered, according to Jennifer Welch, a form of white supremacy, to say you can't disrupt services or to support deporting criminal illegal immigrants is insane.
00:09:15.000But it's part and parcel, again, of a broader, self-referential, self-righteous program on the part of Democrats to claim that whatever they are doing is the political corollary of what was happening in the 1960s in Selma, which is really quite pathetic.
00:09:29.000Jennifer Welch went on, by the way, to attack what she called MAGA men like Jesse Waters, which, again, this is the way you're going to win over dudes in the next election cycle is somebody like Jennifer Welch.
00:10:32.000And if you, again, are a church-going person who believes that illegal immigrants ought to generally be deported and that criminal, illegal immigrants in particular ought to be deported, this makes you a white supremacist.
00:10:44.000Don Lemon called the parishioners white supremacists himself.
00:10:47.000Here was Don Lemon after having, again, it's hard to believe he wasn't part of this actual protest itself, that he wasn't part of the organizing of the protest.
00:10:55.000I mean, there's supplementary footage showing him kissing some of the organizers and all the rest of this.
00:10:59.000Here was Don Lemon talking with Jennifer Welch.
00:11:02.000And I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy.
00:11:14.000And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom.
00:11:20.000It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male, pretty much.
00:13:09.000Okay, so again, he's apparently allowed to say that about a black woman, but if somebody says that about Don Lemon, it's because he's gay and black.
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00:15:15.000I said yesterday on the show that the Trump administration with some of these ICE operations risks the ire of Americans if the images get ugly.
00:15:24.000But I also said that if Democrats really continue to up the ante, if they continue to get more and more chaotic, the backlash to Democrats will be stronger than the backlash to ICE.
00:15:32.000If they end up in abolish ICE territory, that is terrible territory to be in.
00:15:37.000And it seems like Democrats are courting this sort of electoral disaster and political disaster.
00:15:42.000Yesterday, anti-ICE demonstrators occupied the local target.
00:15:46.000What the hell does the target have to do with illegal immigration and ice?
00:15:51.000They're just trying to sell t-shirts, man.
00:15:53.000Like, what are you doing at the Target?
00:16:50.000And also, it seems like all you're doing is really obstructing mothers from being able to buy the orange juice that they require for their children.
00:17:29.000So Luke Roziak with Daily Wire has done a really good job finding a lot of the details on this.
00:17:34.000Basically, we keep hearing all these stories that, you know, these protesters are grassroots and they're very organically funded.
00:17:41.000Well, no, in this case, we found out that this prosecutor has ties to the protests and is literally going a family member, send a family member to these protests and is engaged with all of these activities in the church itself.
00:17:55.000And so, Ben, something that I always think of is, you know, we recently saw this attack at the church where a trans-identifying shooter went into this church in Minneapolis, actually, and shot children as they were worshiping.
00:18:07.000And it is not a thing to be taken lightly to be going into a church and disrupting, let alone over a political protest like this.
00:18:17.000So incredibly disturbing, incredibly damaging for all these people who are there.
00:18:21.000It's something that I think about and I'm sure you think about every time we're in a house of worship as we're worshiping God and hoping that everyone stays safe in this place that is supposed to be peaceful and safe.
00:18:33.000And so in this story that Luke wrote, I thought it was really fascinating how these protesters are literally being exposed for not being organic and they're being accompanied by lawmakers, people affiliated with lawmakers, people affiliated with the prosecutors, unlike what the media is trying to say about them.
00:18:51.000I mean, it really is Astroturf and it really is astonishing.
00:18:53.000Well, I would also be remiss, Mary Margaret, if I did not ask you about a conversation that you had with the president of the United States on another topic, actually, on Friday night.
00:19:01.000So the president's former lawyer, Michael Cohen, and again, I still maintain that the single best tweet that Donald Trump ever wrote, and there's a long list of them, is the tweet where he suggested if you ever need a great lawyer, may I recommend not hiring Michael Cohen?
00:19:15.000That apparently Michael Cohen recently came out and suggested that he was pressured and coerced to only provide information and testimony that would satisfy the government's desire to build cases to secure a judgment and conviction against President Trump.
00:19:29.000That's something that he put up on his Substack post.
00:19:31.000And you ended up on the phone talking with the president about all of this.
00:19:42.000I wanted to make sure I understood it.
00:19:44.000And then I circled up with Brent Sherrow, our editor-in-chief, and we thought we should call the president about this and see what he has to say.
00:19:51.000So I did call him, and he told me that it was an incredibly corrupt investigation.
00:19:56.000He said the story was a really big story, and I thought it was kind of funny.
00:20:02.000I was like, Yes, Mr. President, thank you.
00:20:03.000And I'm going to have to check in with him the next time we have another story because he's so savvy with the media.
00:20:10.000He loves to hop on the phone with them.
00:20:12.000And, you know, he's always said that Michael Cohen was a corrupt lawyer.
00:20:16.000He's always had plenty of critical things to say about him.
00:20:19.000And that story in particular really took off that night because this is something the president and his team have been saying for a long time.
00:20:27.000And Michael Cohen finally admitting that he was pressured and coerced after not admitting to that after all this time was just too much for the president to resist.
00:20:36.000This is just one of his favorite stories to talk about.
00:20:39.000And now Michael Cohen's out here admitting it.
00:20:42.000Mary Margaret, it is kind of an astonishing thing that you can just pick up the phone and call the president.
00:20:46.000He picks up and just gives you a comment on things.
00:20:59.000Now, obviously, this is bleeding up into the politics of the Democratic Party.
00:21:03.000We've mentioned the fact that pretty much every Democratic leader now feels the necessity to pretend that something horrifying is happening when ICE goes and does its baseline job.
00:21:11.000Well, that translates over to lack of actual law enforcement capacity to do what it needs to do.
00:21:16.000The DHS assistant secretary, Tricia McLaughlin, she said, you know, there are like hundreds and hundreds, over a thousand arrest detainers not being honored at this point.
00:21:26.000But if you look at who is in those jails, currently sitting in those jails, Bill, 1,370 criminal illegal aliens in Minneapolis' custody.
00:22:09.000There is a winning strategy here for Democrats on this issue, and that is, you know, we agree that the law must be enforced, but not this way.
00:23:58.000And from what we saw, they're facing hurdles every step of the way as they're trying to make an arrest.
00:24:04.000So the second we rolled out of the ICE office there, there was someone that they tagged as a spotter watching the car, talking to other people.
00:24:13.000I mean, it seems very coordinated because once we rolled up to any apartment house, anywhere where the target was known to be, the illegal immigrant target, there was already dozens of rioters there with whistles, honking their horns, yelling at the agents, saying really nasty things, and then trying to really get in their way.
00:24:34.000Those ICE officers are there to arrest illegal immigrants.
00:24:37.000The ones who we were going after that day had rap sheets.
00:24:41.000I mean, one of them was even let go by sanctuary authorities there.
00:24:45.000They had asked them to let them hand them over to ICE from the local jails, and they just flouted the ICE detainer in that case.
00:24:54.000That guy ended up back on the streets, and now ICE has gone multiple times to try to arrest these people because those agitators are getting in the way.
00:25:02.000At the same time, they're not really stopping.
00:25:04.000They want to continue to go after these people, but they're definitely up against some really organized chaos.
00:25:11.000And Jenny, you mentioned the people they're going after and their rap sheets.
00:25:16.000The broad-scale perception by a lot of Americans, the polling data shows, is that ICE is not focusing on criminal illegal immigrants.
00:25:21.000What are you seeing on the ground when you're talking with ICE agents?
00:25:25.000What kind of targets is ICE focusing in on here?
00:25:29.000So the ones that we were focused on that day had drug charges, had pretty violent crimes that they'd committed, assaults.
00:25:37.000These were people that normally, and your listeners, I'm sure, would want to get off the streets, wouldn't want in their neighborhoods.
00:25:46.000There's this narrative going around right now is that ICE is going after targeting U.S. citizens.
00:25:52.000They don't want to be arresting U.S. citizens, but they do have authority to go after them if they're trying to impede their arrests that they're trying to make of these people.
00:26:01.000And what we saw on our ride along was exactly that: someone actually got hit in our vehicle convoy because we went with multiple cars with multiple officers because they need added protection from each other now because of what they're up against.
00:26:24.000They're trying to get in the way, even more so now.
00:26:27.000We had to pull over at one point because we thought some of our vehicles had had their tires slashed because that's a very normal occurrence now.
00:26:35.000So they're not only having to calculate the risks of going out and catching someone maybe in their element who's a violent, hardened criminal, but they're also up against these organized agitators who are communicating with each other somewhere on radios, following us in their cars, talking to other people in their groups.
00:26:54.000We know that these ICE watch groups are extremely savvy and communicate really well online and have trainings that they've held.
00:27:02.000So it's a really scary time for ICE right now.
00:27:08.000So Jenny, obviously you're sitting with ICE agents while they're attempting to do their job.
00:27:12.000What is the sentiment among the ICE agents right now who really are under assault by both the media and by, in some cases, literally people on the streets?
00:27:22.000It's interesting because obviously they know what they're signing up for.
00:27:54.000They don't want to be using lethal force.
00:27:57.000They want to give orders verbally first, which is what we saw, for people that were blocking them in traffic, saying, please move out of the way, telling them multiple times before they needed to escalate, which thankfully they didn't need to, but they did, you know, look to pursue an arrest against the person who had hit them that day.
00:28:17.000But they are really, you know, trying to just continue to do the jobs because they're dedicated to that goal of getting these millions of illegal immigrants that were led into the country, many who have committed crimes out.
00:28:28.000And they want to clean up the mess also of the sanctuary cities.
00:28:32.000You know, you mentioned the kinds of resistance people are facing on the streets and enforcing the law.
00:28:36.000Obviously, the president has considered the possibility of using the Insurrection Act to deal with this sort of activity on the streets.
00:28:44.000Given what you've seen, do you think that it would rise to the level of the president calling in further federal forces here?
00:28:50.000Well, it certainly seems like a ticking time bomb there.
00:28:52.000And we saw just after the first fatal shooting, just a couple weeks ago, that another one did happen because the illegal immigrant targets in that case were so brazen and so emboldened by what's going on that they wanted to attack law enforcement, that they wanted to go after them and assault them.
00:29:10.000They felt like they could operate with impunity there.
00:29:14.000And the environment is very much like that because you have people around you during these arrests who are supporting those illegal immigrants.
00:29:22.000So it's almost like they have cheering squads for them.
00:29:26.000And this is only getting more and more organized, larger in numbers.
00:29:30.000I mean, we saw what happened in that church.
00:29:57.000Well, if you're wondering what's going on with this sort of immigration snafu for the United States, one factor here, one major factor when it comes to immigration is the fact that there are foreign countries taking advantage of our systems.
00:30:10.000It's one of the reasons why it's quite important that the Trump administration is doing what it's doing.
00:30:14.000There is a book that is out right now, big bestseller from Peter Schweitzer, all about this.
00:30:31.000So, obviously, immigration is the number one issue in the country right now.
00:30:34.000The president of the United States has directed ICE to go after criminally legal immigrants and to broad scale go after a wide swath of illegal immigrants and deport them.
00:30:43.000But a huge number of Americans probably don't understand how foreign powers have actually activated our immigration programs against us.
00:30:51.000So your book is really about this, about how our immigration systems have been turned against us.
00:30:55.000We think of ourselves as the shining city on the hill, as the country of the Statue of Liberty.
00:30:59.000Bring us your tired and your poor and your huddled masses.
00:31:27.000I quote extensively in the book from Mexican leaders, including President Scheinbaum, that they view mass migration to the United States as a reconquista, which sounds like a crazy theory, but they talk about it repeatedly, and they also back it up.
00:31:43.000They create an infrastructure in the United States that allows them to activate Mexican and Mexican Americans for political benefits.
00:32:02.000And as I lay out in the book, consular officials, these are Mexican diplomats in the United States, Ben, are engaged in not only organizing violent anti-ICE protests and other political activity, they're also actively trying to elect Democrats and defeat Republicans.
00:32:20.000You have Mexican diplomats involved in political activity inside the United States.
00:32:26.000That's a clear example, and I have lots of details.
00:32:32.000But they see this as an opportunity to effectively wage war on the United States by changing us through mass migration and by political direct action within our borders.
00:32:44.000So I want to go through each one of those sources in a moment, Mexico and China and the Muslim Brotherhood, the ones that you just mentioned.
00:32:53.000I mean, is the actual goal that they are going to be able to take back American territory, or is this really about flooding America's borders and ensuring, for example, that jobs move to Mexico, the remittances move back to Mexico?
00:33:04.000What is their actual hard-nosed goal here?
00:33:06.000Well, what they say, Ben, explicitly, and I have dozens of quotes in the book, is that they want to exert sovereignty over portions of the United States that they say were stolen from them in the 19th century at the U.S.-Mexican war.
00:33:18.000So you have prominent, powerful senators that sit on the National Defense Committee that says we are taking it back and mass migration is the way of doing it.
00:33:26.000One of Scheinbaum's top aides in December of 2024 said, and I quote, there are 39.9 million Mexicans in the United States.
00:33:36.000We are quietly reconquering the territory that was taken from us, end quote.
00:33:41.000Now, does that mean they think California and Texas are actually going to become Mexican states?
00:33:46.000Maybe, but I think what they really mean and what there's plenty of evidence for is they start exerting sovereign control on territories inside the United States.
00:33:56.000And I'll give you a very clear, direct answer, Ben.
00:34:00.000There are Mexican senators and members of their chambers of deputy, their parliament, who sit in the United States, live in the United States, and their job is to represent Mexicans living inside the United States inside the Mexican government.
00:34:18.000That's literally what they do, which is a massive violation of our sovereignty.
00:34:22.000One of those, Senator Ruiz, she sits in the Mexican Senate.
00:34:26.000She lives in Arizona, has actually introduced legislation to turn California into the 33rd state of Mexico.
00:34:33.000But more importantly, these elected officials, Ben, are not only representing Mexico's interests in the United States, I have numerous examples of them organizing violent protests in this country.
00:34:45.000And they say, for example, that Los Angeles is, in their term, occupied territory.
00:34:51.000That Los Angeles is, in their terminology, like the West Bank.
00:34:57.000They're obviously pro-PLO and Palestinian movement as well.
00:35:01.000But the point is, they see the United States exerting sovereign control over portions of the American Southwest as illegitimate.
00:35:10.000And they have various ways in which they want to see that change.
00:35:13.000And in fact, I would argue that they are seeing some of that change already.
00:35:17.000So let's turn to China for a second, because obviously, in terms of geopolitical opponents, China is top of the list.
00:35:22.000You've written extensively about the threat that China represents in your past books.
00:35:26.000China is utilizing immigration against the United States as well.
00:35:29.000What mechanisms are they mostly utilizing?
00:35:32.000Well, they see mass migration as subversion.
00:35:34.000And when people think of China, they don't think of mass migration the same way we think of Mexico and Latin America.
00:35:40.000But they have created an industrial scale use of birthright citizenship.
00:35:46.000So birthright citizenship is obviously being heard by the Supreme Court.
00:35:49.000It's the idea if you happen to be in the United States and you're foreign national and your child is born here, that child automatically is granted citizenship.
00:35:58.000The federal government, by the way, our government has no idea, no idea how many people are born this way in the country because when you get a birth certificate, they don't list the nationality of the parents.
00:36:09.000So the federal government is completely clueless.
00:36:12.000The Chinese government has done assessments and their determination is mind-boggling.
00:36:18.000The Chinese government believes that over the last 13 years, every year, roughly 100,000 Chinese nationals have done this in the United States, meaning we're looking at roughly 1 million U.S. citizens, I'm going to put that in air quotes, U.S. citizens that were born here, but they're Chinese parents and they're mostly part of the Chinese elite, go back to China and raise them in China.
00:36:55.000They've had very little exposure to the United States.
00:36:58.000And that wave is going to start to crest in the late 2020s because this started in 2011 and 2012.
00:37:05.000That is a massive threat, I would argue, because you've got one million, again, quote-unquote, American citizens who are being raised in China.
00:37:14.000They're going to be entering the American mainstream here shortly.
00:37:19.000And then meanwhile, you have the Muslim Brotherhood as well.
00:37:21.000Obviously, the thing that comes to mind there is the Muslim Brotherhood possibly exporting terrorists to American soil using America's lax border policies.
00:37:29.000I mean, this happened during the Biden administration.
00:37:30.000There were a number of people who are on the terror watch list who just escaped into the interior of the United States.
00:37:34.000But if you flood America's borders with people who cannot be vetted from countries that have exorbitant anti-American belief systems, you shouldn't be particularly surprised if you're increasing the risk of terrorism.
00:37:46.000What is the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood here?
00:37:48.000Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood views this as a civilizational warfare, and they view immigration as a key component of it.
00:37:54.000They look back at the experience of Muhammad and how he preached the use of migration as a form of colonization and taking over territories.
00:38:05.000And they speak openly about the fact they don't need to reach sort of critical mass in certain numbers.
00:38:11.000They're quite confident by controlling certain areas, even if they are a minority, but because they are politically active and they intimidate people around them, that they can gain relative examples of political power.
00:38:23.000And one of the examples I cite in the book, of course, is Mamdani in New York.
00:38:28.000Hezbollah, the newspapers of Hezbollah in Lebanon, were cheering him on.
00:38:33.000These overseas networks involving the Muslim Brotherhood and their ancillary groups in the United States were funding his campaign.
00:38:40.000And the Iranian government even ran an article speculating that Mamdani has a political future.
00:38:46.000He could even become, he's not American born, so he can't be president, but he could become the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
00:38:58.000But the other thing I think we have to recognize, Ben, is that a lot of the fraud that we're seeing in Minnesota and elsewhere involving the Somali community, for example, is not just, in my mind, random fraud.
00:39:11.000There are actually a lot of these Islamist leaders that preach how this kind of fraud on public assistance is something that's good and righteous because it's effectively a tax on non-Muslims that are paid to Muslims.
00:39:25.000So they're actually encouraging Muslims in the United States to engage in this kind of behavior.
00:39:31.000So I think we have to stop using our experience and our view of what's going on and understand what our adversaries are, what they're saying and what they believe.
00:39:43.000And if we listen to what they say, and I quote them extensively in the book, I think it's pretty shocking what their plans are on these fronts.
00:39:50.000And it's no way consistent with sort of our traditional view of what immigration should be, assimilation and embracing the American dream.
00:39:58.000None of these groups want any of that.
00:40:01.000Well, the book, again, is The Invisible Coup, How American Elites and Foreign Powers Use Immigration as a Weapon.
00:40:06.000And the author is Peter Schweitzer of the Government Accountability Institute.
00:40:09.000Peter, thanks so much for your time and your insight.
00:40:12.000In other news, the Davos summit is kicking off, and President Trump is planning to head to Davos this year with an entourage of U.S. officials, according to the Wall Street Journal.
00:40:22.000Last year, he video conferenced into the World Economic Forum this time.
00:40:25.000He's there presumably to knock some heads together.
00:40:28.000According to the Wall Street Journal, he is expected to address the confab in person for the first time in six years.
00:40:32.000Secretary of State Rubio, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, Special Envoy Steve Witkoff are also going to show up as well.
00:40:41.000Now, again, big elephant in the room is going to be what's going on with regard to Greenland.
00:40:47.000This has now jumped to sort of the top of the issue list because of the sort of pressure that President Trump is exerting on the Europeans and on NATO in particular.
00:40:54.000Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary, is already at Davos.
00:40:57.000He says that the message is going to be that America first doesn't mean America alone.
00:41:01.000I think that the U.S.-Swiss relationship, after a rocky period over the past few months, is back on a very good track.
00:41:14.000I think the message is America First does not mean America alone.
00:41:19.000And I think President Trump will be talking about this is what American leadership in the world looks like.
00:41:27.000Okay, well, I mean, obviously, this is music to my ears.
00:41:30.000America First should not mean America alone because America alone is weak, at least a lot weaker than it would be with its network of allies.
00:41:37.000An America that withdraws from the world is an America that is incapable of projecting power in ways that benefit the American people.
00:41:44.000On the other hand, I have to say that I do not fully understand what President Trump is doing with regard to Greenland right now, because again, there are externalities to just threatening NATO.
00:41:54.000Apparently, according to widespread reports, the president sent messages to the Europeans, basically telling them that they needed to allow him to take Greenland because they did not give him the Nobel Peace Prize.
00:42:08.000According to Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gallstor, he sent Trump a text message expressing opposition to the planned tariffs because President Trump threatened a bunch of countries in the EU with tariffs if they didn't allow him to basically just take Greenland.
00:42:23.000Trump replied that the world would not be secure unless the United States had, quote, complete and total control of Greenland.
00:42:29.000And he wrote in the message, quote, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars plus, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.
00:42:49.000I don't think that the president ever thought only of peace.
00:42:52.000I always thought that his program was to think about what was good and proper for the United States of America.
00:42:57.000And while I know the president covets the Nobel Peace Prize, and frankly, well, I think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for what he did in the Middle East with regard to bombing the Iranian nuclear reactor and helping try to bring the Gaza conflict to an end while freeing the life hostages.
00:43:10.000Again, I'm very sympathetic to that case for the president.
00:43:13.000I'm not sure what that has to do with Greenland per se.
00:43:17.000And again, the idea that you're rejected for a Nobel Peace Prize, therefore you are owed Greenland.
00:43:22.000I mean, that seems like a strange trade.
00:43:24.000By the way, it seems to me that the Europeans might consider a trade, and that trade would be help facilitate the United States taking Greenland in return for mass support by the United States of the Ukrainian government in the face of the Russians.
00:43:37.000That seems like a fairer trade because what NATO really requires is protection on its eastern borders, not on its western borders from the United States.
00:43:45.000And so if the case that the Europeans want to make is, we need you guys to actually fight the Russians, and the Americans are making the case we need Greenland to stave off the Russians.
00:43:53.000Well, it seems like there's a gigantic war that has been currently happening in Eastern Europe for several years at this point in which the Russians are sending hundreds of thousands of troops into the field.
00:44:02.000And it would be good for the United States to up the ante there, perhaps in exchange for more of a say in Greenland.
00:44:08.000Apparently, EU officials and diplomats, according to the Wall Street Journal, are taking the U.S. threats to use trade to extract concessions on Greenland extremely seriously.
00:44:16.000And they see them as the latest evidence of a fundamental reshaping of transatlantic ties.
00:44:20.000Again, it is unclear whether this is sort of a just kind of annoyance for President Trump.
00:44:25.000This is just something that sticks in his craw, or whether it is part of a larger shift in terms of foreign policy away from American leadership in the world and more toward a sort of block-level leadership.
00:44:37.000Like America will lead the Western hemisphere, and then they'll kind of take, will go hands off with regard to the Russians in Eastern Europe and go hands off with the Chinese in the Far East.
00:44:49.000Now, the reality is that I'm not sure that Americans feel like paying more in tariffs in order to assure that the president can grab Greenland.
00:44:59.000New studies show, shock of shocks, that American citizens are the ones who basically end up paying the price for tariffs.
00:45:04.000That, of course, is not a surprise at all.
00:45:06.000The new research published Monday by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank, suggests the impact of tariffs is likely to show up over the time in the form of higher U.S. consumer prices.
00:45:17.000That doesn't mean that the tariffs are a win for Europe, but it does mean that American consumers are the ones who are really paying for it.
00:45:22.000According to the Wall Street Journal, by analyzing $4 trillion of shipments between January 2024 and November 2025, the Kiel Institute researchers found that foreign exporters absorbed only about 4% of the burden of the tariff increases by lowering their prices.
00:45:37.000American consumers and importers absorbed 96%.
00:45:41.000That, of course, makes sense since it is consumers who are the ones who are going to absorb any of the price changes at all.
00:45:47.000All of which does raise questions as to how Americans perceive the economy.
00:45:51.000Representative Mike Turner of Ohio, he says, people might prefer to focus on the economy, not on Greenland at this point.
00:45:58.000I think people would prefer a focus on the economy instead of a focus on Greenland itself.
00:46:03.000I think certainly in Congress, we're looking at trying to make certain we get the budget deal through and we don't have a shutdown.
00:46:10.000And, you know, as we look to the president's proposal on national security, we look at his proposal on increasing our defense budget.
00:46:19.000Now, again, I think there is some histrionic quality to people in Europe getting freaked out about tariffs, considering all of the non-trade tariff trade barriers that the Europeans have placed on American products for years.
00:46:29.000So, for example, when the French finance minister, Amanda Roland Leskier, says that he doesn't like when tariffs are used as a geopolitical weapon, it's like, well, I mean, guys, you do kind of do it yourself a fair bit.
00:46:42.000We're living through uncharted territories.
00:46:46.000An ally, a friend of 250 years, is considering using tariffs.
00:46:51.000We don't like tariffs, but suddenly we don't like using tariffs as a geopolitical weapon.
00:46:58.000And you get this from the UK's Kirstarmer as well, suggesting that use of tariffs against allies is wrong.
00:47:04.000Again, the Europeans have been very happy to use regulatory methods in order to discriminate against American product in their continent for a very long time.
00:47:14.000Alliances endure because they're built on respect and partnership, not pressure.
00:47:23.000That is why I said the use of tariffs against allies is completely wrong.
00:47:30.000It is not the right way to resolve differences within an alliance.
00:47:35.000Now, the Europeans could cause some economic turmoil in the United States based on how they respond to President Trump's threats.
00:47:41.000According to the Wall Street Journal, there are several different options on the table.
00:47:45.000One would be to hold off on cutting tariffs to zero for many U.S. goods.
00:47:48.000Remember, the president already cut a bit of a lopsided deal with the EU, wherein there would be a 15% duty on most EU goods shipped into the United States, and the tariffs on American goods going into European countries would be radically cut.
00:48:04.000The European Parliament has not approved that deal yet.
00:48:07.000There could also be new retaliatory tariffs on some U.S. products.
00:48:11.000And there's also something called the bazooka.
00:48:13.000This is an anti-coercion trade tool, apparently.
00:48:15.000Apparently, it would give the bloc significant leeway to implement export controls, place tariffs on services, restrict intellectual property rights, and curb American companies' ability to bid on public contracts in Europe, among other measures.
00:48:27.000That would be sort of the biggest thing that they could do.
00:48:30.000They could also, of course, beef up on defense, close American bases, which would lead to the sort of multipolar world that may be something that some members of the Trump administration actually want.
00:48:42.000The biggest thing that is a problem is the possibility that the EU and other countries start to look elsewhere for partnerships, namely toward Russia and toward China.
00:48:52.000Russia, for its part, seems pretty excited about all of this.
00:48:55.000The Russian economic negotiator was trolling the Europeans, a man named Kirill Dmitriev.
00:49:02.000He said, you now miss Nordstream, don't you?
00:49:04.000Because obviously they were using the Europeans an enormous amount of Russian oil.
00:49:08.000And so the idea is: well, you know, you relied on the Americans.
00:49:12.000Now the Americans are using their economic pressure in order to get you to give up territory.
00:52:13.000So why exactly would we be taking the pedal off the metal in order to pressure NATO on Greenland?
00:52:18.000It just seems like a misallocation of resources, a fairly major misallocation of resources.
00:52:24.000And if this is a lifeline to our geopolitical opponents, because they're now going to go to the EU or go to Canada and cut trade deals with those countries, countries that are moving away from the United States, why would we revivify a bipolar world by giving up our hegemon status for no reason that I can really see?