The Ben Shapiro Show - The Left Targets Social Media -- And The Daily Wire -- For Destruction | Ep. 1299

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00:01:33.000 Alrighty, so we are now in the midst of a great move from the federal government led by the White House, aided and abetted and fostered by the establishment media to shut down your access to information you want to see.

00:01:45.000 What we are watching right now is an overt.

00:01:45.000 It is that simple.

00:01:48.000 I mean, it's right there in the public eye.

00:01:49.000 It's an overt collusion between the establishment media, which wishes to reestablish its monopoly over informational dissemination, between the media and the Democratic Party, which would like you to only see the crap that the mainstream media is often pushing, And social media, whom both of the aforementioned parties are now going to push into shutting down your access to information.

00:02:09.000 So to understand how this works, you have to sort of understand briefly the history of how informational dissemination has happened in the United States.

00:02:16.000 So if you go all the way back, the way people used to get their information at the very beginning of the Republic was a bunch of different partisan papers, and people would subscribe to them, pick them up.

00:02:24.000 They were largely local.

00:02:26.000 And they were pretty openly partisan.

00:02:27.000 There's a reason why, for example, the Arizona Republic was sort of a Republican paper.

00:02:32.000 There's a reason why the Arkansas Democrat Gazette was the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, right?

00:02:36.000 The fact is that you would have all these newspapers and they would have their various partisan spins.

00:02:40.000 And that's just the way that it was.

00:02:42.000 Then in the 1920s, there was this move to sort of regularize journalism.

00:02:46.000 And the idea here is that journalism was a process, right?

00:02:48.000 You had to have double sourcing, for example.

00:02:50.000 You had to make sure that every Factual claim that you made was objectively verifiable.

00:02:55.000 And that's not a bad thing.

00:02:56.000 But it led to the rise of a professional so-called journalist class, which would be fine if they were actually just professionals following a process the way that scientists are supposed to follow the scientific process.

00:03:05.000 Instead, what this led to was the rise of a cadre of self-described journalists who are supposedly better at this than anybody else.

00:03:12.000 And they stopped doing journalism.

00:03:14.000 They went back to being partisans, but they just didn't tell you.

00:03:16.000 And so for years, for decades in the United States, as the media began to nationalize, as the means of transportation became better, and the means of communication became better, there was a new mode of informational distribution, and it was like TV.

00:03:29.000 There were only three networks, ABC, NBC, CBS.

00:03:32.000 That was it.

00:03:33.000 And everybody got their news at night from these three networks.

00:03:36.000 As far as major newspapers, there were only a few that were nationally disseminated.

00:03:39.000 It was like the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post.

00:03:42.000 That was pretty much it.

00:03:43.000 And so everybody got their information from these very narrow bandwidths of information, right?

00:03:48.000 These very narrow means of distribution.

00:03:51.000 Then came the internet and it exploded all of this.

00:03:53.000 The internet basically allowed anybody to put up news.

00:03:56.000 It was almost a reversion to the origins of the Republic.

00:04:00.000 It wasn't local, it was national, but you could go to a wide variety of websites, you could check a wide variety of perspectives, and there was this really rich sort of interplay between how people were writing, it was in the very early days of the internet.

00:04:13.000 Then there was the rise of social media, and social media, as is so often the case, was supposed to facilitate all of this and now has put it in danger.

00:04:20.000 Social media was supposed to give you a one-stop shop for doing all of this.

00:04:25.000 Instead of you having to bookmark 10 pages, if you're older than about 18 years old, you know that this is how people used to do things, right?

00:04:31.000 You'd have a list of bookmarks on the side of your web browser, and then every morning, you would check, like the New York Times, the Jerusalem Post, you'd check the Washington Post, and you would check National Review.

00:04:41.000 You'd be able to check all of these things, right?

00:04:43.000 Via the bookmarks.

00:04:45.000 Then Facebook, because it aggregated so many eyeballs, because so many people were using Facebook, for example, they've started providing a newsfeed.

00:04:53.000 And the news feed was supposed to basically make bookmarks obsolete.

00:04:57.000 When was the last time you used a bookmark?

00:04:59.000 Nobody uses bookmarks on the internet anymore because instead they have this curated list of things that they read.

00:05:04.000 And that curated list is curated by social media.

00:05:07.000 It's curated by Facebook.

00:05:08.000 It's curated by, for example, Twitter, by your Twitter feed.

00:05:12.000 So the idea here was that it was supposed to be easier for you to access all the information you wanted to see.

00:05:17.000 The problem was that whereas before, because you were the person who was clicking on all the bookmarks, you were in control of the stuff that you were seeing.

00:05:25.000 Having handed control of that over to Facebook or to Twitter for purposes of basically ease, right?

00:05:31.000 You didn't want to click 10 buttons.

00:05:32.000 Instead, you click one and then you just watch the scroll.

00:05:35.000 Now, the Democrats and the media have seen that as all information and informational distribution is re-narrowed into these narrow bandwidths, instead of everybody getting their news from a wide variety of sources, now you get your news, quote-unquote, from Facebook, and then you click through, right?

00:05:52.000 Once they saw that everybody had to go through Facebook, they realized they could reestablish the monopoly.

00:05:57.000 All they would have to do is simply say to Facebook that Facebook was guilty of deep and abiding sin if they allowed you to see the information you wanted to see.

00:06:06.000 Twitter needed to suppress information that you were not supposed to see.

00:06:10.000 It was very important that if you liked information too much that the mainstream media and the Democrats didn't like, that these social media platforms, instead of easing your ability to see information, restrict your ability to see information.

00:06:23.000 So the entire rationale for these social medias, the social media networks being in the news business in the first place got reversed.

00:06:29.000 Instead of them making it easier for you to access information, Democrats in the media, seeing that you were now using them almost universally, they decided this is a great way of ensuring that you don't see information.

00:06:40.000 This is a great way of purging these particular outlets of the information, restricting your ability to see them, shadow banning, Preventing advertising.

00:06:50.000 They could reestablish their traditional monopoly by using these giant companies.

00:06:55.000 They're going to leverage these giant companies into doing what they wanted.

00:06:57.000 And so you have this bizarre spectacle of the media who are supposed to be the great defenders of a free press.

00:07:02.000 I've never called for CNN to lose its license.

00:07:04.000 I've never called for the New York Times' distribution on Facebook to be reduced because I don't care.

00:07:09.000 It's not my job.

00:07:10.000 But these other outlets will do that.

00:07:12.000 CNN will do that about Fox News.

00:07:14.000 The New York Times will do that about The Daily Wire.

00:07:15.000 NPR will do that about The Daily Wire, as we'll see.

00:07:18.000 The idea from these folks is only they should be giving you information.

00:07:22.000 And if information is obtained from any place else, then Facebook has done something deeply wrong.

00:07:27.000 And they will be the judges of what is good information and what is not good information.

00:07:30.000 And the Biden administration is very into this.

00:07:32.000 This is authoritarian nonsense. 0.73

00:07:34.000 It is authoritarian. 0.53

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00:07:38.000 It is all about this.

00:07:39.000 I mean, the timing couldn't be better.

00:07:41.000 It is all about this.

00:07:42.000 It is about the attempt.

00:07:44.000 By the media and the Democratic Party using social media to abort your ability to see the information that you want to see in authoritarian fashion.

00:07:53.000 It is ugly and you should be worried about it whether you're on the right or on the left or in the center.

00:07:56.000 You should be worried about it regardless because guess what?

00:07:59.000 This game goes both ways.

00:08:01.000 If there were a Republican in office who were saying that Facebook should restrict information from the New York Times, the media would be going ape bleep.

00:08:09.000 But because the media are complicit in this now, the media are the greatest weapon against free speech happening in the country right now.

00:08:16.000 The Democratic Party are fully participatory in this because they must have utopia and they will do it at the price of your ability to access information.

00:08:24.000 It is hideous.

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00:09:33.000 Okay, so once again, to understand the origins of the new anti-social media push, the attempt to use social media, As a way of restricting informational flow.

00:09:42.000 You have to understand there was a tremendous reversal that happened with regard to left-wing views of social media directly after 2016.

00:09:47.000 So when Trump won in 2016...

00:09:50.000 The social media before that was considered this godsend.

00:09:53.000 You'll recall that there were articles in 2012 about the brilliant use of social media by the Obama administration and the Obama team in the 2012 election.

00:10:01.000 What an amazing job they had done in using social media to reach the people they wanted to reach.

00:10:07.000 And Facebook was a tool for this.

00:10:08.000 You'll remember Facebook was a tool in the Arab Spring.

00:10:10.000 Facebook was a way for Oppressed and suppressed people all over the world to get out their message.

00:10:15.000 Then, Trump won.

00:10:16.000 And suddenly, the Democrats, deeply in need of some sort of narrative to explain away Trump's win, instead of just saying Hillary Clinton was a horrific candidate, which is why she lost, instead of doing that, the media and the Democrats latched onto a narrative.

00:10:29.000 The narrative was, Facebook, Twitter, your social media brethren, all of these giant companies, they were responsible.

00:10:36.000 And the way they were responsible is they had not properly policed themselves for things like Russian disinformation.

00:10:42.000 Right?

00:10:42.000 Russian disinformation.

00:10:43.000 This stuff was super dangerous.

00:10:45.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:10:46.000 The Russians did try to intervene in the 2016 election.

00:10:50.000 Their actual activity on Facebook, if you read into the Senate reports, does not even chart in terms of important things that happened with regard to social media in 2016.

00:10:58.000 Like, the actual amount of attention their posts were getting was actually low, if you know the metrics.

00:11:03.000 But, that doesn't matter.

00:11:04.000 The narrative had been set, and the narrative was that these social media outlets were being used as props by cutouts, essentially, from foreign countries.

00:11:13.000 Then something subtle happened.

00:11:15.000 All of these informational outlets, members of the media, the Democrats, they shifted the argument from it's Russian disinformation, meaning actual agitprop put out by a foreign government in order to pervert an American election, which is actually dangerous, and which should be prevented on social media.

00:11:29.000 They moved from that to, from disinformation, to, they just switched one letter, misinformation.

00:11:34.000 Misinformation was anything Democrats didn't like.

00:11:36.000 Now, social media had to step in and prevent misinformation.

00:11:40.000 Not disinformation, right?

00:11:41.000 Disinformation is an actual term that is used in the intelligence community to talk about a foreign government subsidizing Agiprop.

00:11:49.000 Misinformation can mean anything.

00:11:50.000 Misinformation can mean the Hunter Biden story a month before the election.

00:11:53.000 Misinformation can mean that you don't think Anthony Fauci did a good job during this pandemic.

00:11:58.000 Misinformation can be nearly anything so long as the media call it misinformation and then call on the federal government to pressure Facebook into preventing its dissemination.

00:12:09.000 You can basically leverage Facebook into doing whatever you want, right?

00:12:13.000 The shift from disinformation to misinformation is deeply important.

00:12:15.000 At the beginning, the social media tech bros, they were kind of resistant to this.

00:12:19.000 They said, yeah, we'd have to do a better job with Russian disinformation, but the reality is that we are platforms, right?

00:12:24.000 And as platforms, it is not our job to go around trying to discern true from false in a variety of public settings.

00:12:32.000 We're literally a platform in the same way that like your phone line is a platform, right?

00:12:36.000 When you get on your phone line, And you tell your wife that you'll remember everything at the grocery store and then you don't.

00:12:43.000 That does not make the phone line responsible for you saying something untrue to your wife.

00:12:47.000 Facebook is not responsible.

00:12:49.000 I mean, legally or morally, they are not responsible for people saying things that are untrue.

00:12:53.000 And certainly they're not responsible for a subjective claim that some people think is true and some people think is false.

00:12:59.000 And at the beginning, Facebook kind of acknowledged this, right?

00:13:02.000 Many of social media's heads would say, yeah, we're not responsible for that.

00:13:05.000 Freedom of speech requires that we allow opinions that we may not like and allow dissemination of information that you may think is false.

00:13:14.000 But it's actually arguable, and we need to have conversations over.

00:13:17.000 And then over time, as the Democrats pressed, you started to see social media react to the press.

00:13:22.000 They started to react to this.

00:13:24.000 This started last year, particularly during the pandemic, when social media started cracking down on people who suggested, for example, that the Chinese lab leak theory was correct.

00:13:33.000 They started saying, you can't disseminate that.

00:13:35.000 That's false.

00:13:35.000 You can't put that out there.

00:13:36.000 I started saying about COVID, that if you have, if you put out any material on COVID, if you say, for example, that lockdowns have not been particularly effective, which they have not been by all available scientific data, if you say that, that could be a serious problem.

00:13:48.000 You might get a strike from YouTube.

00:13:50.000 You might have Facebook restrict your informational dissemination.

00:13:54.000 If you say on some platforms that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, now, all of a sudden, you could see social media crack down on you.

00:14:00.000 I know people.

00:14:01.000 There's a feminist named Megan Murphy, for example, who was kicked off Twitter for the great sin of saying that a man was a man and a woman was a woman. 0.99

00:14:08.000 He started to see the shift from disinformation to misinformation actually activated inside social media.

00:14:14.000 And now it's coming to a head.

00:14:16.000 Now it's coming to a head because Joe Biden, the White House, the media believe that this is their shot to consolidate power forever.

00:14:22.000 They believe that their shot at consolidating power requires a crackdown on informational dissemination.

00:14:28.000 The lever that they will use is they will say that social media are not just bad.

00:14:32.000 They're not just providing you a space to put out things that are false.

00:14:34.000 They are killing people, right?

00:14:35.000 This is always the Democrat and media excuse for cracking down on your freedoms is that you're quote unquote killing people.

00:14:41.000 This is why the far left has decided that words are violence, that speech is violence.

00:14:46.000 We have to stop it.

00:14:47.000 If we don't stop it, people will die.

00:14:49.000 And if people will die, then we must use all the weapons at our disposal to prevent that.

00:14:56.000 And that may include suppression of some of your freedoms.

00:14:59.000 And it will certainly include pressuring these social media companies into shutting down the flow of information.

00:15:03.000 This is the exact argument that Joe Biden is now making with regard to COVID. 1.00

00:15:07.000 It is despicable and it is authoritarian and it is garbage. 0.99

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00:15:15.000 How the left is weaponizing America's institutions.

00:15:18.000 If you want the country to fall apart, if you want us not to be able to have conversations, this is precisely the way to do it.

00:15:23.000 But this is not about having a conversation.

00:15:25.000 This is about shutting down a conversation.

00:15:27.000 From people who are very much afraid that you might get your information from a place they do not approve.

00:15:32.000 They don't just want to be quote-unquote journalistic gatekeepers who prevent untruth.

00:15:36.000 They want to be gatekeepers of content who prevent you from seeing anything you don't like.

00:15:40.000 Period.

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00:16:53.000 Okay, so, the crackdown on social media requires some sort of hook.

00:16:57.000 The hook here is, you're killing people.

00:16:59.000 Social media is killing people.

00:17:00.000 So Joe Biden, supposed moderate, supposed unifying force in America, supposed respecter of traditional American rights.

00:17:09.000 On Friday, he said one of the more egregious things that I've heard a president say in quite a long time, that includes President Trump.

00:17:14.000 Joe Biden gets out there and he says that Facebook is responsible for killing people.

00:17:19.000 Facebook.

00:17:21.000 What's your message to platforms like Facebook?

00:17:26.000 They're killing people.

00:17:28.000 I mean, it really... Look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. 1.00

00:17:34.000 And they're killing people.

00:17:37.000 Okay, Facebook is a platform.

00:17:39.000 Facebook is not killing people.

00:17:41.000 That's an absurd contention. 0.59

00:17:42.000 And for the President of the United States to say that about a platform for dissemination of information is patently insane.

00:17:47.000 It's the equivalent of saying that the phone line is killing people.

00:17:51.000 Because, you know, sometimes people make drug deals on phone lines and then somebody brings the drugs over and somebody ODs.

00:17:55.000 That is AT&T's fault.

00:17:57.000 That's an insane contention. 0.98

00:17:58.000 It's wild and it's ridiculous and it's crazy. 0.64

00:18:01.000 And the reason he is saying it is because he would like to suppress your ability to access information that you want.

00:18:07.000 Now, none of this is a defense of people who actually put out false information.

00:18:11.000 Two things can be true at once.

00:18:12.000 One, it is not Facebook's job to determine what is shaded information and what is debatable information and what Joe Biden thinks is true, as we will determine in a second. 0.59

00:18:21.000 It turns out that half the crap that Democrats have said over the past year about this pandemic is not true, like overtly not true.

00:18:28.000 And that it turns out that vaccine hesitancy is in large part due to the vacillating nature of the Democratic response and the Biden administration response to this virus and to the vaccines. 0.87

00:18:38.000 And by the way, you're not going to get more people to vaccinate if you tell them explicitly, if you're explicitly saying that you are not allowed to see debated information and make up your own mind, but instead Joe Biden's going to tell you what to do.

00:18:50.000 You think more people are going to vaccinate because of that?

00:18:52.000 Truly?

00:18:52.000 You think that's going to be an effective tactic, given the fact that people don't trust Joe Biden on this anyway, and people certainly don't trust the establishment media?

00:18:59.000 When he says that Facebook is killing people, what he means is that there are people who put out bad information about vaccines on Facebook.

00:19:06.000 Guess what?

00:19:07.000 People put out bad information about, say, calling people Jim Crow racist for opposing voter ID on Facebook.

00:19:12.000 Should that be suppressed as well?

00:19:14.000 This is not Facebook's job.

00:19:16.000 If you wish people to believe the truth about vaccines, make the argument.

00:19:20.000 This show, I personally, we're about as pro-vaccine as it is possible to be.

00:19:24.000 I was calling on everybody to get the vaccine before Joe Biden was.

00:19:27.000 I was saying that it was the pathway to unmasking well before the Biden administration was.

00:19:33.000 So this is not about pro versus anti-vaccine.

00:19:36.000 The notion that Joe Biden gets to dictate to Facebook what information is put on the platform is despicable.

00:19:42.000 He's the president of the United States.

00:19:44.000 There is an amendment to the Constitution, the very first one, and it says that freedom of the press and freedom of speech are guaranteed.

00:19:50.000 It is not the job of the federal government to determine whether quote-unquote false or true information is put out on private platforms that were literally designed to be, again, platforms.

00:20:01.000 Hey, by the way, imagine he weren't saying this about Facebook.

00:20:06.000 Imagine he were saying this about the New York Times.

00:20:09.000 I'm old enough to remember, because I'm more than two years old, when Donald Trump was saying that the New York Times was fake news, and everybody in the media said that it was a threat to freedom of the press.

00:20:18.000 He didn't even say they should be suppressed.

00:20:20.000 He didn't say that they should be put out of business.

00:20:23.000 If he did, it was because Donald Trump said wild stuff all the time.

00:20:25.000 Nobody took that seriously.

00:20:26.000 But if you say this about social media, in the Democratic Party and in the media, You are considered good.

00:20:32.000 It is an active good.

00:20:34.000 Right?

00:20:34.000 Shutting down Facebook is apparently of no threat at all.

00:20:38.000 You know why?

00:20:38.000 Because the media are rooting for Facebook to just become the disseminators of the New York Times and the Washington Post and ABC News and NBC and CBS.

00:20:47.000 That is what they're looking for.

00:20:48.000 They're looking for a re-establishment of the media monopoly on the back of the lie that the real reason for lack of vaccinations is because of Facebook.

00:20:57.000 There are people who are responsible for putting out bad information and those people are wrong and they're doing something bad.

00:21:03.000 It is not Facebook's job to be the giant god that sits above all informational distribution and does these things at the behest of the Biden administration which by the way has lied about a thousand times on issues related to the vaccine and vacillated about a thousand times on issues related to the vaccine from whether schools should be reopening To how vaccines should be handed out on the basis of quote-unquote equity.

00:21:25.000 To whether you can unmask after you're vaccinated.

00:21:27.000 That's just stuff that's happened in the last like four months.

00:21:29.000 Okay, but this is the push, right?

00:21:30.000 So Jen Psaki doubles down on this. 1.00

00:21:32.000 She says that people should be banned from all social media for spreading misinformation.

00:21:36.000 Now remember, misinformation, not Russian disinformation.

00:21:40.000 Misinformation.

00:21:41.000 And she's not specific about what misinformation constitutes.

00:21:44.000 This is where things get messy.

00:21:45.000 Because if you made the argument that somebody put out a statement, let's say the statement said vaccines are utterly ineffective, they do nothing, right?

00:21:52.000 That is a false statement.

00:21:54.000 There are terms of service that prevent you from doing that on most of these major social media outlets.

00:21:59.000 But if you say, for example, that there are still open questions with regard to the use of vaccines in children, which there most certainly are, If you say that, is that misinformation?

00:22:09.000 It depends on the White House's perspective that day.

00:22:11.000 If they wish to push vaccines to children, then the answer is, sure, that's misinformation.

00:22:14.000 That should be curbed.

00:22:16.000 And if they don't, then presumably that gets to live.

00:22:18.000 If you've got the White House dictating what people can and cannot see, that is a violation of the First Amendment, even if they are leveraging private companies into doing it.

00:22:25.000 Here is Jen Psaki trying to push this. 1.00

00:22:28.000 Steps that could be constructive for the public health of the country are providing for Facebook or other platforms to measure and publicly share the impact of misinformation on their platform and the audience it's reaching, also with the public.

00:22:47.000 With all of you, to create robust enforcement strategies that bridge their properties and provide transparency about rules.

00:22:54.000 You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others for providing misinformation out there.

00:23:03.000 So you should be having from all.

00:23:04.000 Does this sound like a centralization of power over freedom of dissemination of information to you?

00:23:08.000 And do you trust these people to decide what constitutes misinformation?

00:23:12.000 According to these people, the Steele dossier was not misinformation, even though it actually probably was Russian disinformation.

00:23:18.000 It was not misinformation, the Steele dossier, but the New York Post printing details about Hunter Biden's laptop was misinformation, according to these.

00:23:24.000 So you trust them to determine what information you can see?

00:23:28.000 This is a scary, scary thing that they are pushing, and it is the media who are complicit in it.

00:23:32.000 The media is worse than the government here.

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00:24:38.000 Alrighty, so, it is not merely that the government is now actively pushing social media to restrict the flow of information.

00:24:46.000 Do you trust them to do this?

00:24:48.000 Even if you agree with them on vaccines, do you trust them to do this broadly?

00:24:51.000 And do you think they're going to restrict this to vaccines?

00:24:53.000 As you will see, the answer here is pretty obviously no.

00:24:56.000 It's the media too. 0.95

00:24:56.000 And this is where the pathetic self-interest of media members, the pathetic, ridiculous anger at the fact that people don't want to watch CNN, but do want to watch shows like this one. 0.95

00:25:08.000 Get over yourselves. 0.99

00:25:10.000 Seriously, get over yourselves. 1.00

00:25:13.000 These ridiculous jackass members of the New York Times editorial board. 0.99

00:25:17.000 These ridiculous people who work for MSNBC and CNN and who suggest that it should be the job of government to sit over social media and to tell social media when to take down information and not to take down information. 0.99

00:25:29.000 How are you not threatened by this? 0.91

00:25:30.000 Are you so short-sighted that you don't see how this will be used against you eventually?

00:25:34.000 That if you cross the government, the government will cross you?

00:25:38.000 Do you not see that once you've set up this iron matrix between the Between the mainstream media or establishment media and the Democratic Party and social media to suppress information.

00:25:49.000 Don't you see how that could flip very easily the other way?

00:25:52.000 How if a Republican gets elected president and then you've got right-wing media sources who say that there is disinformation on the platforms and they should use all aspects of power to suppress that quote-unquote disinformation or misinformation.

00:26:03.000 Don't you see how that can be used against you?

00:26:05.000 But you don't care.

00:26:05.000 You don't care because you believe that this is your tool for forever power.

00:26:08.000 You believe, and you're correct.

00:26:10.000 At CNN, your ratings are gone.

00:26:12.000 And so it is your job to make sure that nobody else is able to disseminate information.

00:26:16.000 You over at the New York Times, yes, you've increased your subscriptions because you kept saying Trump over and over and over again for several years now.

00:26:22.000 But you guys are afraid that online platforms like mine are coming after you.

00:26:26.000 And so you're very happy to watch Facebook, quote unquote, suppress information, even though You're talking about suppressing information that has nothing to do with falsity.

00:26:36.000 We'll see this in just one second.

00:26:37.000 Okay, the sanguinity, the perfect comfortableness of members of the media pushing suppression of information boggles the mind.

00:26:46.000 The founders never would have conceived of this.

00:26:49.000 If the founders had known that the greatest expositors of suppression of freedom of information would be members of the press, it would have blown their minds.

00:26:56.000 It would have blown their minds.

00:26:59.000 It really is an amazing thing.

00:27:00.000 The founders, they got so many things right, but there are a few things that they got wrong.

00:27:04.000 One is, they thought, for example, members of Congress would be so ambitious to keep their own power, they would never cede power to the executive branch.

00:27:11.000 Wrong.

00:27:11.000 Members of Congress decided long ago that their job was going to be to vote on omnibus packages, kick everything over to the executive branch, and avoid culpability and responsibility to their own citizens back home.

00:27:21.000 So that was a mistake.

00:27:22.000 The founders thought that ambition would be the real problem.

00:27:25.000 It turns out cowardice was the real problem.

00:27:27.000 When it comes to the press, the founders felt that when it came to freedom of the press, the threat would come from government.

00:27:32.000 They didn't think the threat was going to come from inside the house working with the government.

00:27:36.000 They felt that journalists would at least have enough temerity to stand up for fellow members of the press.

00:27:42.000 And if members of the press were being targeted by an administration, That the other members of the press would stand up and say no.

00:27:49.000 But they didn't believe, presumably, that the members of the press would be actively cheerleading the suppression of information via social media.

00:27:55.000 But that's exactly what's happening right now.

00:27:57.000 There was an entire CNN panel yesterday in which the panelists were arguing on CNN, right again, an establishment media news network.

00:28:06.000 They were arguing that Facebook and social media are polluting the informational environment, polluting it.

00:28:11.000 Again, Facebook is not the polluter.

00:28:14.000 Facebook is the river.

00:28:15.000 If there are people who are polluting that environment, it's not Facebook's fault any more than it's the river's fault if somebody puts out bad information.

00:28:21.000 And if you want to target misinformation, then target the source of the misinformation.

00:28:25.000 But this notion that the river itself is responsible for the pollution is nuts.

00:28:29.000 Doesn't matter.

00:28:30.000 People on CNN were pushing this.

00:28:32.000 I actually took the time to read Dr. Vivek Murthy's report today, the Surgeon General, and I think it will stand up the way the Surgeon General's report in 1962 did about pollution being bad for our health.

00:28:44.000 In 1964, the Surgeon General issued a report about how smoking is bad for our health.

00:28:49.000 Well, Facebook is bad for our health.

00:28:52.000 They're polluting the information No, conservatives do not agree with the critique that Paul Begala just made.

00:28:58.000 many conservatives agree with this. They're always complaining about big tech. But this is critically important.

00:29:05.000 No, conservatives do not agree with the critique that Paul Bogholland just made. Their criticism of big tech is that big tech has become a tool of the establishment media and the government.

00:29:14.000 Because you're saying this sort of stuff actively, right?

00:29:17.000 Mika Brzezinski and Danny Deutsch did the same routine.

00:29:19.000 Facebook has blood on its hands.

00:29:20.000 Again, the goal here is to... There's a reason why they are directing most of their fire not at the people they actually hate, right?

00:29:26.000 They're not directing most of their fire at, say, Daily Wire or at Fox News.

00:29:31.000 First of all, they can't with regard to Daily Wire and vaccine issues because we are very pro-vaccine generally over at the Daily Wire.

00:29:37.000 But even if we weren't, they're not directing their fire there.

00:29:41.000 They are directing their fire where they think it is most likely to be responded to.

00:29:44.000 They're directing their pressure campaign at the people most likely to collapse, namely the corporate heads of places like Facebook who tend to be somewhat sympathetic to the left-wing position and also are very much afraid of regulation by them.

00:29:57.000 It's amazing, right?

00:29:58.000 They're not directing their fire at the people with whom they actually disagree.

00:30:01.000 They're directing their fire at people they know they can control.

00:30:05.000 That's the reason they're attacking Facebook.

00:30:06.000 That's the reason that they're attacking social media.

00:30:09.000 Because if they can just use Facebook as their tool, then they can strangle the alternative media in the crib.

00:30:14.000 That's the goal.

00:30:15.000 Emeka Brzezinski and Donny Deutsch doing just that yesterday.

00:30:18.000 How dare they still allow this to happen?

00:30:20.000 So you want one simple thing?

00:30:22.000 I don't care.

00:30:22.000 You're putting up their response.

00:30:24.000 I don't care what their response is.

00:30:25.000 They can do more.

00:30:26.000 They are in the trillions as far as their network.

00:30:29.000 Shame on them.

00:30:30.000 They have blood on their hands.

00:30:31.000 I want to say it again.

00:30:32.000 Specifically, call out two people, Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg.

00:30:35.000 You run the company.

00:30:36.000 If I ran that company, if I was Mark Zuckerberg and I'm worth $100 billion, I don't know, I might go into my pocket a little bit if I can save some lives.

00:30:44.000 Shame on you.

00:30:47.000 I stand with you on that, Donnie.

00:30:50.000 Of course you do.

00:30:51.000 Of course you do!

00:30:52.000 Because you guys are partisan Democrats.

00:30:53.000 And your goal is to pressure Facebook into suppressing not just information about COVID, but any information you don't like.

00:31:00.000 So Facebook, by the way, put out a ton of notes.

00:31:02.000 It's amazing that this is happening right now.

00:31:03.000 I mean, we have information.

00:31:04.000 You remember Dr. Fauci's emails?

00:31:06.000 In those emails was an email from Mark Zuckerberg to Dr. Fauci specifically asking him how they could work together to suppress what they call the misinformation on COVID.

00:31:15.000 So Facebook was working with the government on this sort of stuff.

00:31:18.000 It doesn't matter.

00:31:19.000 That's not the goal.

00:31:20.000 The goal is not to stop misinformation.

00:31:22.000 The goal is to exercise dramatic top-down control over all information that the left does not like.

00:31:28.000 They're not, again, they're not hiding the ball on this.

00:31:30.000 This is not some sort of giant conspiracy.

00:31:33.000 They're saying it directly out in the open.

00:31:35.000 Facebook, by the way, said, quote, the fact that more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook, which is more than any other place on the Internet.

00:31:43.000 More than 3.3 million Americans have also used our vaccine finder tool to find out where and how to get a vaccine.

00:31:48.000 The facts show Facebook is helping save lives, period.

00:31:51.000 That's true.

00:31:52.000 That's actively true.

00:31:53.000 But it doesn't matter.

00:31:55.000 And the goal is broader than this.

00:31:56.000 It is not about COVID.

00:31:58.000 It is not about vaccines.

00:31:59.000 The goal is much broader than this.

00:32:01.000 Here's the Surgeon General of the United States saying that social media needs to be doing more.

00:32:05.000 Again, it's social media's fault. 0.98

00:32:06.000 It's not your own garbage positioning on the vaccine. 0.98

00:32:09.000 It's not your own vacillation and flip-flopping on the vaccine. 0.97

00:32:11.000 It's not your failures to roll this thing out properly.

00:32:16.000 It's not the fact that the federal government withdrew the Johnson & Johnson vaccine from the market after six cases.

00:32:22.000 We saw misinformation flowing around COVID-19 from the beginning.

00:32:24.000 And we've raised those concerns to these companies.

00:32:26.000 And I've spoken about my concerns about misinformation publicly numerous times over the last many months.

00:32:29.000 The only thing that matters is top-down control.

00:32:31.000 Here's the Surgeon General of the United States forwarding that.

00:32:34.000 We saw misinformation flowing around COVID-19 from the beginning.

00:32:38.000 And we've raised those concerns to these companies.

00:32:41.000 And I've spoken about my concerns about misinformation publicly numerous times over the last many months.

00:32:47.000 My concern is that we're not seeing nearly enough progress here.

00:32:51.000 And that's one of the reasons I issued this advisory.

00:32:54.000 It's not entirely about the tech companies.

00:32:56.000 I issued this advisory to call the entire country to action, recognizing there are steps all of us can take.

00:33:01.000 Technology companies have an important role, particularly when it comes to being transparent with the public about how much misinformation is flowing on their sites.

00:33:10.000 Okay, and then the great and sainted Dr. Fauci, he goes even further.

00:33:13.000 So the great and sainted Dr. Fauci, the greatest doctor in America after Dr. Jill Biden, he goes on CNN with Jim Acosta, and ladies, find you a gentleman who loves you like Jim Acosta loves Jim Acosta.

00:33:22.000 And he informs people that if there had been social media during the eradication of smallpox and polio, then they never would have been eradicated.

00:33:31.000 And as we'll talk about in just one second, that's not true.

00:33:33.000 I mean, it's just factually untrue.

00:33:35.000 But here is Dr. Fauci spouting untruth.

00:33:37.000 That's okay.

00:33:37.000 He's allowed.

00:33:39.000 If you look at the extraordinary historic success in eradicating smallpox and eliminating polio for most of the world, and we're on the brink of eradicating polio, if we had had the pushback

00:33:55.000 For vaccines, the way we're seeing on certain media, I don't think it would have been possible at all to not only eradicate smallpox, we probably would still have smallpox and we probably would still have polio in this country if we had the kind of false information that's being spread now.

00:34:16.000 Okay, so I'll explain why this is completely false.

00:34:19.000 Okay, a couple of reasons.

00:34:19.000 One, smallpox is a disease that kills about 30% of the people who get it.

00:34:23.000 If COVID were killing 30% of the people who get it, do you think there would be any vaccine hesitancy?

00:34:29.000 The answer is pretty clearly no, right?

00:34:30.000 Smallpox wiped out like one third of the continent of Europe over the course of the dark ages, right?

00:34:36.000 Like this notion that smallpox, people would have been like, oh man, I'm so vaccine hesitant.

00:34:40.000 This vaccine is probably more dangerous than the smallpox.

00:34:43.000 You know how dangerous smallpox was?

00:34:44.000 Smallpox was so dangerous that it allowed for the first actual vaccination process to take place.

00:34:50.000 Because think about how crazy this is.

00:34:51.000 The way they used to create vaccines is they would literally take the blood from a person who had had smallpox, and then they would inject it in another person in the hope that the antibodies would transfer.

00:35:00.000 They would take the smallpox from one person and give it to another person, and hope the body would fight off the weaker strain.

00:35:06.000 And people did this voluntarily.

00:35:08.000 By the way, if you want to actually see it in action, then watch the HBO series, John Adams, right?

00:35:14.000 Where people were doing the first inoculations as early as like the late 18th century, early 19th century.

00:35:21.000 People were willing to do that because smallpox was so dangerous.

00:35:23.000 If COVID were as dangerous as smallpox, I promise you, vaccine hesitancy would be a lot lower.

00:35:27.000 You know how I know this?

00:35:28.000 Because look at the vaccine rates among people who are over age 65.

00:35:31.000 People over age 65 have vaxxed up at like a 90% rate.

00:35:35.000 Why?

00:35:35.000 Because that's where the most of the danger from COVID lives, right?

00:35:37.000 Okay, so this notion that it's about social media as opposed to risk assessment by individuals is completely wrong.

00:35:43.000 Now, again, my assessment is that if you are above the age of 21, you have a better shot of dying from COVID than you do of having a serious effect from the vaccine, right?

00:35:51.000 So you should go get the vaccine.

00:35:53.000 And for people who are 12 to 18, it seems like that is also true.

00:35:55.000 It is not clear that it's true for kids, right?

00:35:57.000 So that's the best information about the vaccine at this time.

00:35:59.000 However, People can do their own risk assessments on this sort of thing, particularly since the mRNA vaccine is so unbelievably effective.

00:36:05.000 Now, as to polio, it's kind of amazing that we've forgotten this, but the first vaccine rollout for polio was a complete botchery. 0.89

00:36:13.000 It was rolled out originally in 1955.

00:36:14.000 In 1955, there's a great piece over at theconversation.com called The Great Polio Vaccine Mess and the Lessons It Holds About Federal Coordination for Today's COVID-19 Vaccination Effort by a guy named Bert Spector, who's an associate professor of international business and strategy at the D.M. Moore McKim School of Business in Northeastern University.

00:36:34.000 He points out that immediately following the government licensing of the Salk vaccine, the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis contracted with private drug companies for about $9 million worth of vaccine.

00:36:44.000 About 90% of the stock they planned to provide it free to the country's first and second graders.

00:36:48.000 But just two weeks after the first doses were administered, the Public Health Service reported six inoculated children had come down with polio.

00:36:55.000 And the number of such incidents grew, because it turned out there'd been a botchery.

00:36:58.000 A lab had actually not released weakened polio strains in order to generate immunity, they'd actually released basically adulterated doses of the vaccine that included polio.

00:37:09.000 So kids were actually being given polio in the original iteration of the vaccine rollout, or at least a certain percentage were.

00:37:17.000 Says this professor, after considerable fumbling and outright denial, Surgeon General Leonard Steele pulled all tainted vaccine off the market.

00:37:23.000 Then, less than a month after the initial inoculations, the U.S.

00:37:26.000 shut down distribution entirely.

00:37:28.000 It was not until the introduction of a new polio vaccine in 1960, created by Albert Sabin, that public trust returned.

00:37:33.000 So it took five years.

00:37:35.000 So was that because of social media or what?

00:37:37.000 Are you also going to blame social media for that?

00:37:39.000 So again, it is not about preventing people from getting bad information about vaccines so much as it is about exercising top-down control.

00:37:47.000 That's really what it's about because the Biden administration, they make no bones about this.

00:37:53.000 They're just sources.

00:37:54.000 They don't want to see disseminated information.

00:37:57.000 I'm very much against vaccine misinformation.

00:38:00.000 And if you post something that is overtly false, then it should come down.

00:38:04.000 But if you are posting stuff that is arguable, if you are posting stuff that is based in theoretical discussion, if you are posting theories about COVID lab leaks, why would I possibly trust this government to determine what is true and what is false about all of this stuff?

00:38:20.000 I mean, the same people who are now declaring that they ought to be the single greatest verifiers of information were providing misinformation about the vaccine from the beginning.

00:38:29.000 I mean, you've got Kamala Harris now on board with all this.

00:38:32.000 It was Kamala Harris who way back when was saying you shouldn't get the vaccine if it was developed under the Trump administration. 0.72

00:38:38.000 Here is Kamala Harris not all that long ago.

00:38:40.000 This was during the campaign.

00:38:42.000 Let's just say there's a vaccine that is approved and even distributed before the election.

00:38:47.000 Would you get it?

00:38:49.000 Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us.

00:38:53.000 I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump.

00:38:58.000 And it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about.

00:39:09.000 I will not take his word for it.

00:39:10.000 He wants us to inject bleach.

00:39:12.000 No, I will not take his word.

00:39:15.000 By the way, Joe Biden was saying the exact same thing.

00:39:17.000 Joe Biden was saying, you know, any process that's done under Trump, I'm not sure I trust that process.

00:39:22.000 Americans have had to endure President Trump's incompetence and dishonesty.

00:39:27.000 When it comes to testing and personal protective equipment, we can't afford to repeat those fiascos.

00:39:33.000 When it comes to a vaccine, when it occurs, the stakes are too high.

00:39:38.000 American families have already suffered and sacrificed too much.

00:39:43.000 So let me be clear.

00:39:45.000 I trust vaccines.

00:39:47.000 I trust scientists, but I don't trust Donald Trump.

00:39:54.000 OK, so that was that.

00:39:55.000 Who's purveying misinformation at that point?

00:39:58.000 Who?

00:39:59.000 And yet these are the people who say they should be in charge of all informational distribution.

00:40:02.000 And again, it's not just about COVID.

00:40:04.000 I'll get to that in just one second.

00:40:04.000 It's not.

00:40:05.000 It is not just about COVID.

00:40:07.000 It is about control of all the information you see.

00:40:10.000 This is the goal.

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00:41:16.000 Alrighty, we're gonna get to the actual broader goal here, which again, has nothing to do with COVID and everything to do with control of informational dissemination on a broad level.

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00:43:32.000 I should just point out here that on a data level, when people say that Facebook is responsible for vaccine hesitancy, it's a lie.

00:43:42.000 It's just not true.

00:43:43.000 Okay?

00:43:44.000 And the notion that it is right-wing vaccine hesitancy that's causing the large-scale unvaccination that's happening in the country right now, here's the racial breakdown on vaccination in the United States.

00:43:53.000 Asian Americans are vaccinated at a 62% rate.

00:43:55.000 White Americans are vaccinated at a 47% rate.

00:43:58.000 Hispanic Americans are vaccinated at a 39% rate.

00:44:02.000 Black Americans are vaccinated at a 34% rate.

00:44:05.000 Is that because Black and Hispanic Americans are in huge numbers, huge, unprecedented numbers, watching Tucker Carlson's show?

00:44:11.000 Or because they are accessing bad vaccine information via Facebook?

00:44:15.000 Is that really what's going on here?

00:44:17.000 Is it because of evil, right-wing dissemination of information that must be cracked down upon by the Biden administration?

00:44:23.000 I have an article right here from the New York Post.

00:44:25.000 State data shows one-third of New York hospital workers are unvaccinated.

00:44:29.000 Who's responsible for that?

00:44:31.000 Maybe we need a crackdown on misinformation from the New York State government, because obviously they're doing something wrong.

00:44:36.000 One third of all health care workers in New York are still unvaccinated in New York City, which was like the epicenter of this thing.

00:44:44.000 More than nine months into the campaign to inoculate medical workers and all New Yorkers against the killer bug, nearly a third of staffers at Big Apple hospitals are still unvaccinated.

00:44:51.000 Those figures were compiled by the state health department.

00:44:54.000 They show nearly 40 percent of hospital staff across three boroughs have either refused or have not received their COVID-19 vaccines.

00:45:01.000 Even in hospital-heavy Manhattan, only 76% of workers were vaccinated, matching the statewide average.

00:45:07.000 That means one in four medical staffers are still unvaccinated.

00:45:11.000 Well, clearly, I mean, this is like the hotbed of right-wing activity that we've been told is responsible for the vast unvaccination of the American public.

00:45:18.000 Okay, so what is this really about? 0.98

00:45:20.000 What this is really about, the game is given away by Kara Swisher, who's been pushing for this crap forever. 0.98

00:45:24.000 Kara Swisher is one of the worst columnists in America. 1.00

00:45:26.000 She writes for the New York Times, and her sole goal for the past several years has been to push, prod, or beat the living hell out of Facebook into doing what she wants them to do.

00:45:36.000 Not just with regard to vaccines.

00:45:38.000 Vaccines are just her latest thing.

00:45:39.000 But with regard to everything.

00:45:41.000 She has a piece today titled, They're Killing People.

00:45:43.000 Biden isn't quite right, but he's not wrong.

00:45:47.000 It was a stunning thing to say, even if it is in many ways true.

00:45:50.000 They're killing people, President Biden said loudly enough to be heard under the roar of his Marine One helicopter idling on the South Lawn of the White House on Friday.

00:45:57.000 He was not talking about terrorists or leaders of rogue nations or even gun manufacturers.

00:46:00.000 He was talking Silicon Valley tech moguls, most specifically people like Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg, the top two leaders of Facebook and their platform's role in allowing dangerous misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccines to spread far and wide.

00:46:13.000 The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated. 1.00

00:46:15.000 They're killing people, he said.

00:46:17.000 Says the New York Times, this message has clearly been coordinated as tensions have increased between the Biden administration and Facebook particularly.

00:46:26.000 That had been signaled earlier in the week in a much less stark way by Jen Psaki, Biden's press secretary and Surgeon General Vivek Murthy.

00:46:32.000 Psaki pointed to a public health crisis as a reason to pressure social media companies, which also face difficulty trying to balance concerns about protecting speech with the danger of some misinformation.

00:46:41.000 In an interview with me two weeks ago, says Kara Swisher, Biden's chief of staff, Ron Klain, also seemed to be laying the groundwork for putting the blame on Facebook for the administration not reaching its promised goal of 70 percent by July 4th.

00:46:53.000 As you might imagine, Facebook did not agree with the characterization.

00:46:56.000 The truth, says Kara Swisher, is that Facebook serves as a gateway to both, presenting clearly solid information about COVID, as well as a place where an enormous flood of lies about it has overwhelmed the same zone and for a much longer time.

00:47:07.000 Back in May of last year, for example, as noted in the New York Times, there was Plandemic, a 26-minute video alleging a secret group of powerful people were using the virus and the upcoming vaccines to make money and consolidate control over the world.

00:47:17.000 Now, here's a question.

00:47:18.000 If Plandemic had been outright banned by Facebook and Twitter and YouTube right from the beginning, what would have happened?

00:47:24.000 The film makers would have claimed they were being suppressed.

00:47:27.000 And do you think all the people who were ready to watch Plandemic were suddenly going to turn into pro-vaccine advocates?

00:47:32.000 I have serious doubts about that.

00:47:35.000 Here is Kara Swisher's conclusion, and this gives away the game.

00:47:39.000 She says, in this era, the media driver's seat is controlled here and worldwide by Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter, which makes them an easy target for the Biden administration.

00:47:46.000 While one could just as easily cast aspersions at the blatantly false Jeremiah ads on Fox News, the reality is that you can't blame individuals either.

00:47:55.000 You can't resist social media juggernauts.

00:47:57.000 Attempting to stop falsehoods by claiming to offer good information is like using a single sandbag to hold back an impossibly fetid ocean.

00:48:04.000 It's like that when it comes to a range of once-anodyne, now-divisive issues, says Kara Swisher, from election integrity to critical race theory to whatever, keeping this country in a constant state of twitchy confusion.

00:48:17.000 Wherever it came from, it remains even more prescient.

00:48:19.000 Especially now, lives travel much faster thanks to Facebook.

00:48:22.000 Kara Swisher, that one sentence is the whole ballgame.

00:48:25.000 The whole ballgame.

00:48:25.000 It's not about COVID.

00:48:26.000 It's about all the issues.

00:48:29.000 Social media is bad because it allows you to access information Kara Swisher does not want you to see.

00:48:33.000 And so it must be cracked down upon.

00:48:35.000 And the press will push for it.

00:48:36.000 And the Democrats will push for it.

00:48:37.000 And now the White House will push for it. 0.88

00:48:38.000 This is authoritarian nonsense.

00:48:40.000 And you should be afraid of it if you're a freedom-loving human being. 0.78

00:48:43.000 By the way, it's now getting quite personal.

00:48:45.000 The fact is that NPR, a taxpayer-funded entity, has a piece deliberately now doing this.

00:48:50.000 So they can't claim that we are generating misinformation at Daily Wire about the COVID vaccine because we are not.

00:48:56.000 Again, I may be the most pro-vaccine host on the right.

00:49:00.000 My site does not print COVID misinformation.

00:49:02.000 We don't do it.

00:49:04.000 Okay, we've been pretty hawkish about COVID.

00:49:07.000 I'm in favor of people being able to make their own risk assessments based on the proper available information, much of which was suppressed by the Biden administration about, for example, the efficacy of the vaccines in the early days when Dr. Fauci was lying and telling you that wearing a mask was completely necessary even if you were vaccinated.

00:49:24.000 And then later he reversed himself, of course.

00:49:25.000 Okay, so NPR is now pushing.

00:49:28.000 Basically, NPR is going the rest of the way.

00:49:30.000 So NPR, a taxpayer-funded entity, is now pressuring Facebook to suppress Daily Wire and my Facebook page, especially and directly.

00:49:38.000 Why?

00:49:39.000 Not because we are presenting misinformation, but because we are conservative.

00:49:42.000 They're openly saying it.

00:49:43.000 It's right there.

00:49:44.000 Okay, quote.

00:49:45.000 Outrage as a business model? 0.57

00:49:47.000 How Ben Shapiro is using Facebook to build an empire.

00:49:49.000 Now, we've made no secret of the fact that Facebook, as a powerful social media outlet, is one of the places where we push for traffic, just as we do on Instagram, just as we do on YouTube, just as we do on Twitter, just like every company does on all of the major social media outlets.

00:50:05.000 But it's bad that we're succeeding, according to NPR.

00:50:07.000 That's the problem, and that must be stopped.

00:50:10.000 This is a case that's now being astroturfed by a wide variety of sources who have decided that Facebook is deeply embarrassed of the fact that they're suppressing information that we are successful.

00:50:19.000 We're not suppressing information that we're successful on Facebook or anywhere else.

00:50:22.000 Thank God a lot of people read our site.

00:50:24.000 Thank God a lot of people listen to the show and they have every right to do so. 0.98

00:50:27.000 And did it ever occur to NPR and the journalists who are so all-fire concerned about people viewing our content that they are acting like authoritarian idiots? 0.83

00:50:35.000 Did it ever occur to them that I have never said that NPR Should we foreclose the ability to disseminate information? 0.97

00:50:43.000 I think we should cut its funding.

00:50:44.000 I don't see why I ought to pay for the federal government to attack my site.

00:50:48.000 That seems weird.

00:50:49.000 I don't see why conservatives across the land, tens of millions of whom, access our content every month multiple times.

00:50:55.000 I don't see why exactly they should be funding NPR to attack the outlets they actually like to read and watch.

00:51:01.000 So NPR has this piece.

00:51:02.000 It's not about COVID misinformation.

00:51:03.000 It's about social media should shut down DailyWire because DailyWire is DailyWire.

00:51:07.000 Quote, The conservative podcast host and author's personal Facebook page has more followers than the Washington Post, and he drives an engagement machine unparalleled by anything else on the world's biggest social networking site.

00:51:20.000 An NPR analysis of social media data found that over the past year, stories published by the site Shapiro founded, The Daily Wire, received more likes, shares, and comments on Facebook than any other news publisher by a wide margin.

00:51:30.000 Even legacy news organizations that have broken major stories or produced groundbreaking investigative work don't come anywhere close.

00:51:37.000 Oh, are we hurting your feelings?

00:51:38.000 Are we hurting your feelings with the fact people like clicking on our headlines?

00:51:41.000 Is it hurtful to you that the New York Times, with its, honestly, like the most unreadable headlines in the news business aren't getting clicked upon? 0.97

00:51:49.000 Maybe you should write readable headlines that people give a crap about. 0.94

00:51:52.000 Maybe you should do that. 0.85

00:51:54.000 Or maybe the reason people are clicking on our site as opposed to the vast panoply of left-wing sites is because there are many, many left-wing sites and like two conservative sites.

00:52:03.000 Maybe that's the reason.

00:52:04.000 Or maybe the reason is because they don't trust you.

00:52:08.000 And your attempt to suppress information.

00:52:09.000 And so they click on us more because they don't trust you.

00:52:11.000 And they shouldn't trust you.

00:52:13.000 Because you're a bunch of overtly... Well, I should say covertly partisan.

00:52:18.000 I mean, it's clear. 0.81

00:52:19.000 You trying to play this game where we pretend like we don't see your bias is absurd.

00:52:22.000 Here's more of NPR.

00:52:24.000 Dailyware articles with headlines like, quote, book review, proof that wokeness is projection by nervous racist white women who can't talk to minorities without elaborate codes, regularly garner tens of thousands of shares for the site. 0.56

00:52:34.000 And Shapiro is turning that Facebook reach into a rapidly expanding, cost efficient media empire.

00:52:39.000 One that experts worry may be furthering polarization in the US.

00:52:43.000 Oh, my God.

00:52:44.000 Conservatives resist polarization.

00:52:45.000 See this is, it's so funny, this is how the left views polarization.

00:52:48.000 Polarization is usually when people unfairly attack one another and tell lies about each other.

00:52:54.000 Say like when the president of the United States says you're a Jim Crow segregationist because you like voter ID.

00:52:59.000 Like that would be furthering polarization.

00:53:00.000 But here's the thing, for the media, for the left, Their monopoly prevents polarization.

00:53:06.000 Because you see, there's no other point of view.

00:53:07.000 If it is unipolar, there is no polarization.

00:53:10.000 If there is only one pole, there can be no polarization, you see?

00:53:14.000 It's amazing.

00:53:15.000 If there's a monopoly on information and everyone agrees with each other, there's no polarization inside the monopoly.

00:53:19.000 But the moment Daily Wire exists, polarization.

00:53:22.000 It must be stopped.

00:53:23.000 Shut down Daily Wire.

00:53:25.000 Says NPR, again a taxpayer-funded entity, quote, There's a demand among certain subjects of the public for outrage politics, said Jamie Settle, the director of the Social Networks and Political Psychology Lab at the College of William & Mary in Virginia.

00:53:36.000 This happens on both the left and right, but the people who do this on the right have just found a lot more successful ways of doing it.

00:53:40.000 Have we?

00:53:41.000 Have we?

00:53:41.000 Because Joe Biden won 80 million votes on the basis that everyone who had disagreed with him was a threat to democracy, and he's still saying it.

00:53:49.000 The Daily Wire did not respond to interview requests from NPR for this story.

00:53:51.000 Yeah, you know why?

00:53:52.000 Because that's why. 0.99

00:53:54.000 You think I don't know your agenda before you start this crap? 0.94

00:53:57.000 We know your agenda the moment you email us as part of an astroturfed effort to force Facebook into stopping the dissemination of our website. 0.96

00:54:03.000 We know exactly what you're doing.

00:54:04.000 Everyone can see what you're doing. 0.97

00:54:05.000 You're the world's worst magicians.

00:54:07.000 Don't even misdirect with this hand.

00:54:08.000 You're just doing the trick right here.

00:54:11.000 Says NPR, the site produces very little original reporting.

00:54:14.000 Our investigative reporting team would beg to differ.

00:54:15.000 People like Luke Rosiak, who have been breaking stories from Loudoun County.

00:54:18.000 But instead, mostly repackages journalism from traditional news organizations with a conservative slant.

00:54:23.000 That alone wouldn't be newsworthy.

00:54:25.000 The circle of life online means information is written and rewritten in a seemingly infinite loop.

00:54:30.000 But, the daily wire has turned anger into an art form and recycled content into a business model.

00:54:34.000 Wait, so now the problem isn't that we're lying, and it's not that we're doing anything different from anybody else, it's that we're good at it.

00:54:40.000 Oops! 0.78

00:54:41.000 I'm so sorry.

00:54:42.000 Are we hurting your feelings?

00:54:44.000 Oh, poor NPR.

00:54:48.000 Get out the world's tiniest violin.

00:54:48.000 So sad.

00:54:50.000 In May, The Daily Wire generated more Facebook engagement on its articles than The New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, and CNN combined.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:59.000 You know why?

00:54:59.000 Because we're good at our jobs.

00:55:01.000 And because you guys kind of suck, okay? 0.99

00:55:03.000 That's the reality. 0.99

00:55:03.000 People don't like your content, and so they click on the opposite content. 0.99

00:55:06.000 By the way, if you think the New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC News, and CNN are having media troubles in terms of, like, people clicking on their sites, this is a complete misread.

00:55:15.000 I promise you that all of the sites that you just mentioned have bigger traffic than we do overall.

00:55:20.000 Other conservative outlets like The Blaze, Breitbart News, and The Western Journal that publish aggregated and opinion content aimed at invoking outrage have also generally been more successful at generating engagement than legacy news outlets over the past year.

00:55:31.000 The success of those outlets on Facebook may also undermine conservatives' oft-repeated claims that social media networks have an anti-conservative bias.

00:55:39.000 Okay, well, I mean, I can show you exactly when and where the spigots get turned off on our traffic because we watch it every single day.

00:55:45.000 So, yeah, no.

00:55:46.000 Tracking the amounts of engagement a post or outlet gets on Facebook is not the same thing as tracking the number of people the content actually reaches through the platform.

00:55:54.000 In October, Facebook released data showing that the sort of conservative clickbait that performs well in engagement metrics was not actually being seen by as many people as articles from the more mainstream news outlets.

00:56:04.000 Okay, so in other words, they're now complaining that people click on our headlines but don't read through to the stories.

00:56:09.000 So they're basically now admitting that they still get more traffic than we do.

00:56:12.000 But we're still bad, because we exist.

00:56:15.000 The Daily Wire is clearly successful.

00:56:17.000 Well, thanks.

00:56:18.000 We appreciate it.

00:56:19.000 The company is growing and profitable.

00:56:20.000 According to CEO Jeremy Boring, who told Axios earlier this year, the company plans to expand more into entertainment and further build out the Daily Wire's smartphone app.

00:56:28.000 While other publications have seen their engagement numbers for Facebook fall off this year, The Daily Wire has stayed fairly constant, according to NPR's analysis.

00:56:34.000 I'm depressed by it, but I'm not that surprised, said Settle.

00:56:37.000 This has everything to do with the psychology of news consumers and the broader issues with polarization in American culture.

00:56:42.000 See, again, the problem is polarization is caused by us existing.

00:56:46.000 This entire article is just we exist.

00:56:48.000 Daily Wire exists and people read it.

00:56:49.000 Polarization!

00:56:51.000 Maybe it's polarizing that you want to shut us down.

00:56:53.000 Maybe that's the polarizing aspect of American politics these days.

00:56:56.000 Again, for the 1,000th time, I have not called for NPR's informational distribution to be shut down.

00:57:02.000 I've done so with regard to no other media outlet.

00:57:05.000 I'm noticing a lot of people from these media outlets want me shut down.

00:57:08.000 Weird how that works.

00:57:10.000 The articles The Dailyware publishes don't normally include falsehoods.

00:57:14.000 And the site says it's committed to truthful, accurate, and ethical reporting.

00:57:17.000 But, as Settle explains, by only covering specific stories that bolster the conservative agenda, like negative stories about socialist countries and polarizing stories about race and sexuality issues, and only including certain facts, Readers still come away from the Dailyware's content with the impression Republican politicians can do little wrong and cancel culture is among the nation's greatest threat.

00:57:34.000 So in other words, again, this is NPR saying, you're conservative, so you're bad.

00:57:37.000 They admit that we are not saying anything false.

00:57:40.000 They're just angry that we're conservative.

00:57:43.000 By the way, the New York Times only covers specific stories that bolster their narrative.

00:57:47.000 They only tell you specific facts that bolster their narrative in the same way we do.

00:57:51.000 The difference is we're honest and they're liars.

00:57:52.000 They'll tell you their objective and we're conservative.

00:57:55.000 Get over it.

00:57:57.000 An NPR review of stories on the Daily Wire about the COVID-19 pandemic over the past two months found numerous stories about potential side effects from COVID, but none that portrayed the scientifically demonstrated efficacy of the vaccines or which focused explicitly on the hesitancy that has slowed the U.S.

00:58:10.000 rollout.

00:58:11.000 Um, wait, hold up a second.

00:58:13.000 You're saying that we are anti-vax? 1.00

00:58:15.000 Are you insane? 1.00

00:58:16.000 Are you crazy? 1.00

00:58:18.000 Listen to a single moment of this show. 0.89

00:58:20.000 Okay, the site routinely talks about the efficacy of the vaccines.

00:58:25.000 We do this all the time.

00:58:28.000 Often, the site's headlines seem like a conglomeration of conservative buzzwords.

00:58:32.000 This is reporting from NPR, your taxpayer-funded entity.

00:58:35.000 CNN medical experts urges we must make life hard for unvaccinated.

00:58:38.000 Test them twice weekly.

00:58:39.000 There's nothing false about that headline.

00:58:43.000 They tend not to provide much context for the information they're providing, said Settle.

00:58:46.000 If you've stripped away enough context, any piece of truth can become a piece of misinformation.

00:58:50.000 There it is, right there.

00:58:51.000 Everything is misinformation because we don't like how you are telling it.

00:58:51.000 Right?

00:58:55.000 It's true, but we don't like it.

00:58:57.000 It's misinformation.

00:58:58.000 This piece is a masterclass in the kind of suppression the left wishes to use in social media to shut down your ability to access information.

00:59:06.000 This authoritarian bull.

00:59:09.000 Pushed by your taxpayer dollars, apparently.

00:59:12.000 It's just incredible.

00:59:14.000 So, we're bad.

00:59:15.000 We should be shut out.

00:59:17.000 I say in the years since he left Breitbart News, Shapiro has carved out a rare niche within the conservative media world.

00:59:22.000 The graduate of Harvard Law School taps into many of the same culture war themes that former President Donald Trump played into while also disagreeing with Trump.

00:59:28.000 A feat he's managed without becoming a target of the former president's ire, Shapiro has publicly denounced the alt-right and other people in Trump's orbit like Steve Bannon, as well as the conspiracy theory Trump is the rightful winner of the 2020 election.

00:59:39.000 But in the same column, I wrote after the violence on January 6th, quote, last week, the Capitol was breached by a group of fringe Trump supporters who had bought into a series of lies.

00:59:47.000 But in the same column, he quickly turned his attention back to Democrats and their support of the nationwide Black Lives Matter protests last year, which many conservatives have falsely sought to paint broadly as riots.

00:59:56.000 He's been widely condemned for anti-LGBT comments.

01:00:01.000 Oh my God, wow.

01:00:02.000 So again, I'm conservative.

01:00:04.000 This means I'm bad.

01:00:06.000 He's just, I'm terrible.

01:00:08.000 And then they quote a bunch of people who don't like me.

01:00:10.000 Incredible.

01:00:11.000 Really, well done here.

01:00:12.000 So basically, the idea here is we should not exist because we're good at our jobs.

01:00:16.000 That's the entire article.

01:00:17.000 The entire article is from NPR, Daily Wire should not exist, and we're misinformation because they disagree.

01:00:23.000 They're coming for your information.

01:00:24.000 They're coming for the outlets you like.

01:00:26.000 They're coming to suppress them.

01:00:28.000 This is one more reason why you should support every outlet that you like.

01:00:32.000 Come subscribe at Daily Wire because they're going to come after us.

01:00:34.000 They're going to try and de-platform us.

01:00:35.000 It's something they are overtly making clear they want to do right now.

01:00:40.000 So come subscribe over at Daily Wire right now.

01:00:42.000 Also pick up a copy of my book all about all of this.

01:00:45.000 And do it for other people too.

01:00:46.000 If you like The Blaze, go subscribe at The Blaze.

01:00:48.000 If you like Fox Nation, go subscribe at Fox Nation.

01:00:50.000 Seriously, you need to subscribe to the services you like because the left is going to try to take them away.

01:00:54.000 They're going to try to take neutral service providers like Facebook and destroy them if they don't become overt tools of the left.

01:01:01.000 That's the goal.

01:01:01.000 It's despicable.

01:01:02.000 It's authoritarian.

01:01:03.000 It's polarizing.

01:01:04.000 It's going to destroy the country.

01:01:06.000 They are responsible for the polarization.

01:01:08.000 They are responsible for tearing all of this apart.

01:01:11.000 They are responsible for shutting down any sort of rational, realistic, or decent debate on these issues.

01:01:16.000 And then they proclaim that they're in favor of American unity and truth. 0.55

01:01:20.000 Yeah, bulls**t. Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with much, much more.

01:01:25.000 In the meantime, go check out the Michael Nolan Show. 0.99

01:01:26.000 Today, he discusses the story of a porn star showing up to a conservative student summit.

01:01:30.000 You can hear more details about that story over on Michael's show that's available right now.

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01:02:06.000 The Biden White House is calling on big tech to censor conservatives for spreading misinformation online.

01:02:12.000 A porn star shows up to a conservative student summit that I happen to be at right now.

01:02:17.000 And in Los Angeles, the officials are calling on a new mask mandate, even for people who have already been vaccinated with the vaccine that's so effective that you still need that filthy cloth over your face. 0.51

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 19, 2021

The Left Targets Social Media -- And The Daily Wire -- For Destruction | Ep. 1299

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