The Ben Shapiro Show - The Left Unleashes Its Crazy | Ep. 493

00:00:00.000 The left embraces socialism, eugenics, and revolution.

00:00:02.000 President Trump attacks Chuck Todd and Maxine Waters.

00:00:05.000 And OJ's back, which is weird.

00:00:07.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:14.000 So the left went crazy over the weekend.

00:00:15.000 So no Disneyland for them.

00:00:17.000 There was Disneyland for me, however.

00:00:19.000 But there will be no Disneyland for them because the weekend was a very weird time on the op-ed pages of our nation's leading newspapers.

00:00:26.000 I'll tell you all about all the crazy that was happening.

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00:01:44.000 Over the weekend, The Nation's op-ed pages decided to remind us all why President Trump is president.

00:01:49.000 Not because he's so great at everything.

00:01:50.000 Not because the president is playing MAGA, MAGA, MAGA chess.

00:01:53.000 But because the left has decided to go fully crazy.

00:01:56.000 There are several op-eds in a row that we're going to go through here talking about the outskirts of the left.

00:02:01.000 But these are printed in mainstream newspapers.

00:02:02.000 Again, this is not stuff from The Nation.

00:02:04.000 This is not stuff even from Salon or Slate.

00:02:06.000 This is stuff from The New York Times and The Washington Post and The Atlantic.

00:02:09.000 All of these are mainstream outlets on the left.

00:02:12.000 And none of them are particularly good.

00:02:14.000 I don't know what was in the water over the weekend, or whether they just feel so emboldened on the left that they feel like they can say anything and get away with it.

00:02:21.000 But whatever it is, it is not going to be good for their agenda.

00:02:25.000 Here's the first example.

00:02:27.000 Ruth Marcus, who's the deputy editorial page editor, she has a high position over at the Washington Post, wrote an opinion piece called, quote, I would have aborted a fetus with Down syndrome.

00:02:36.000 Women need that right. 1.00

00:02:37.000 OK, this is just a piece in favor of eugenics.

00:02:40.000 If the idea is that you get to abort a baby because the baby has Down syndrome, then what is the difference between aborting a baby with Down syndrome, not because you don't think it's a baby, but because it has Down syndrome, and doing that with somebody who is actually already born?

00:02:51.000 Here's what Ruth Marcus writes.

00:02:53.000 There's a new push in anti-abortion circles to pass state laws aimed at barring women from terminating their pregnancy after the fetus has been determined to have Down syndrome.

00:03:00.000 These laws are unconstitutional, unenforceable and wrong.

00:03:04.000 This is a difficult subject to discuss because there are so many parents who have and cherish a child with Down syndrome.

00:03:08.000 Many people with Down syndrome live happy and fulfilled lives.

00:03:11.000 The new Gerber baby with Down syndrome is awfully cute.

00:03:13.000 I've had two children.

00:03:14.000 I was old enough when I became pregnant that it made sense to do the testing for Down syndrome.

00:03:17.000 Back then it was amniocentesis performed after 15 weeks.

00:03:20.000 Now chorionic villus sampling can provide a conclusive determination as early as 9 weeks.

00:03:25.000 Well, good for you, Ruth, that you would have grieved the loss.

00:03:28.000 First of all, it's always a bizarre point in abortion fanatics' lingo that they'll say things like, I would have grieved the loss.

00:03:45.000 The loss of what?

00:03:47.000 If it's not morally wrong, then what are you grieving?

00:03:49.000 If it's just a cluster of cells, then what exactly are you grieving?

00:03:51.000 Are you grieving the lost opportunity?

00:03:54.000 Presumably, you're grieving the human that you just killed, or had killed in the womb.

00:03:58.000 And just because that human in the womb had Down syndrome doesn't mean that it was okay for you to do that, and you should feel morally exculpated from what you just did.

00:04:05.000 Here's what she continues to say.

00:04:06.000 Well, no.

00:04:06.000 The point of prenatal testing in the first place is generally to see if there is some sort of condition that can be fixed as the pregnancy continues.

00:04:21.000 So, for example, if there had been the capacity to actually look at my first child's heart and see that there was a hole in her heart when she was developing, they might have been able to do something prenatally.

00:04:29.000 I don't know how the surgery works, but there are all sorts of surgeries that they do on children before they are born.

00:04:34.000 It's an amazing thing.

00:04:36.000 They perform surgeries on children who are still in the womb, and they sew up the womb, and the pregnancy continues, and the kid is just fine. 0.93

00:04:42.000 This sort of thing happens all the time.

00:04:44.000 The point of prenatal testing is not kill the child if things come out wrong.

00:04:48.000 That's called eugenics, folks. 0.99

00:04:50.000 Okay?

00:04:50.000 It's a bad thing.

00:04:52.000 This is what they have in Iceland.

00:04:53.000 Down syndrome people are not there.

00:04:55.000 They just don't exist in Iceland because they're all killed in the womb. 1.00

00:04:57.000 That is not a good thing for the inherent value of human life.

00:05:00.000 When you say the inherent value of human life degrades if you are born with low IQ thanks to genetic conditions.

00:05:06.000 If you believe that abortion is equivalent to murder to the taking of a human life, then of course you would have made a different choice.

00:05:11.000 But that is not my belief, and the Supreme Court has affirmed my freedom to have that belief and act accordingly.

00:05:15.000 Well, you can always have that belief.

00:05:17.000 I mean, you have the freedom to have that belief.

00:05:19.000 The Supreme Court is not a moral arbiter.

00:05:21.000 This is one of the things that drives pro-life people absolutely insane.

00:05:24.000 When people look at pro-choice people, and pro-choice people point to the Supreme Court, they point to, like, Justice Blackmun.

00:05:30.000 They say, well, Justice Blackmun says it's OK.

00:05:33.000 My answer to that is, who the hell is Justice Blackmun?

00:05:34.000 Why would I care about that?

00:05:36.000 Like, Ruth Bader Ginsburg says something is OK?

00:05:38.000 Ooh, now you've spooked me.

00:05:40.000 Wow, you totally changed my opinion now.

00:05:42.000 I guess it wasn't a human life because Justice Roberts said something, or because Justice Kennedy said something. 1.00

00:05:48.000 It's so dumb. 0.98

00:05:49.000 I mean, it's an argument from authority. 1.00

00:05:51.000 The same people who say you can't cite the Bible in defense of human life will say you can cite Ruth Bader Ginsburg in defense of the right to kill a human life. 0.72

00:05:57.000 Pretty amazing stuff.

00:06:00.000 Again, the sentiments here are conflicting.

00:06:04.000 Why do you respect and admire those people?

00:06:06.000 Presumably you think those people made a horrible mistake.

00:06:09.000 Presumably you think that those people

00:06:11.000 I think so.

00:06:35.000 Okay, let me read that sentence again.

00:06:38.000 Okay, very slowly for those who missed it.

00:06:41.000 That's an insane sentence.

00:06:42.000 Fully crazy.

00:06:43.000 That is a morally ignominious statement.

00:06:46.000 Okay, every single person in the United States

00:06:58.000 Has an impaired intellectual capacity to one extent or another.

00:07:01.000 Everyone is not born Einstein.

00:07:02.000 There's a very small group of people who are born with genius level IQ.

00:07:05.000 Everybody else does not have as much of a chance in life.

00:07:07.000 Does that mean that abortion is okay? 0.93

00:07:09.000 I mean, this is pure eugenics right here. 0.98

00:07:10.000 Whose life choices will be limited.

00:07:13.000 Every single human has life choices that are limited.

00:07:15.000 Every single human.

00:07:17.000 What you're looking for when you're talking about morality is a limiting principle.

00:07:20.000 You're looking for something that distinguishes cases.

00:07:23.000 This is, as we say in law school, an argument that proves too much.

00:07:26.000 It suggests that every human being should be aborted based on certain circumstances, whose life choices will be limited.

00:07:33.000 Beethoven was born into a family where his dad used to beat him in the middle of the night if he didn't practice piano correctly.

00:07:38.000 Was that a limited life choice?

00:07:40.000 Sure.

00:07:41.000 He went deaf later in life.

00:07:42.000 Actually, not even that late.

00:07:43.000 When he was in his late 20s, he started to go deaf.

00:07:45.000 Was that a limited life choice?

00:07:46.000 Sure.

00:07:47.000 Whose health may be compromised?

00:07:49.000 Every single person will die.

00:07:52.000 Every person who's been born will die, and everyone will have a health problem before then.

00:07:55.000 It says most children with Down syndrome have mild to moderate cognitive impairment, meaning an IQ between 55 and 70, mild, or between 35 and 55, moderate.

00:08:03.000 This means limited capacity for independent living and financial security.

00:08:06.000 Down syndrome is life-altering for the entire family.

00:08:08.000 Now, there's no question that that is true.

00:08:11.000 But that is also true when you have a parent who's slipping into senility. 0.98

00:08:14.000 Do we get to stab them in the chest? 0.56

00:08:16.000 Do we farm them off to the soil and green factory? 0.98

00:08:19.000 When people get Alzheimer's, what are we supposed to do with them?

00:08:22.000 Is the idea that the good thing for the family would be just to pull the plug?

00:08:27.000 There are tons of people whose capacity for independent living is limited and who live wonderful lives.

00:08:31.000 And not only that, sometimes it makes you a better person.

00:08:34.000 We're talking about the impact on the mother here.

00:08:36.000 Sometimes it makes us as human beings better that we have to make certain sacrifices in favor of others.

00:08:41.000 When I was growing up, my dad had a pretty debilitating back condition.

00:08:44.000 It meant that everybody in the family had to carry all heavy objects around the house, right?

00:08:48.000 Like, my dad just couldn't carry.

00:08:49.000 It wasn't a thing.

00:08:50.000 And we just grew up knowing that was something that we had to do.

00:08:53.000 Now, obviously, that's very mild compared to what we're talking about here.

00:08:55.000 But the point is this.

00:08:56.000 Love is about the sacrifices that you make for the people that you love.

00:09:00.000 And when it comes to people with Down syndrome, are they not deserving of love in the same way that anybody else would be?

00:09:06.000 Ruth Marcus, I'm going to be blunt here.

00:09:07.000 This was not the child I wanted.

00:09:09.000 That was not the choice I would have made.

00:09:11.000 You may call me selfish or worse, but I'm in good company. 0.95

00:09:13.000 Well, no, you're in bad company, actually, and you are selfish or worse.

00:09:16.000 She says the evidence is clear that most women confronted with the same unhappy alternative would make the same decision again.

00:09:21.000 A horrifying argument.

00:09:22.000 Lots of people make horrible decisions throughout the course of human history.

00:09:25.000 In Nazi Germany, tons of people were making terrible decisions all the time, and they would say, the majority is with me. 0.94

00:09:31.000 Guess what?

00:09:31.000 The majority in the South was with segregation and slavery.

00:09:34.000 Did that mean segregation and slavery were okay?

00:09:36.000 Of course not.

00:09:36.000 That's not even an argument.

00:09:37.000 That's an emotional appeal.

00:09:38.000 Well, don't talk about me like I'm special.

00:09:40.000 I'm not special.

00:09:41.000 Everybody else is bad, too. 1.00

00:09:43.000 This crap doesn't work with my kindergartner. 1.00

00:09:45.000 My pre-kindergartner shouldn't work with a fully grown woman. 1.00

00:09:48.000 Which brings us to the Supreme Court.

00:09:49.000 North Dakota, Ohio, Indiana, and Louisiana passed legislation to prohibit doctors from performing abortions if the sole reason is because of a diagnosis of Down syndrome.

00:09:57.000 Utah's legislature is debating such a bill.

00:09:59.000 Well, not really.

00:10:00.000 She puts the focus on the phrase of the woman. 0.56

00:10:01.000 But the focus should be on some freedom.

00:10:03.000 Even if you are a believer in Roe v. Wade, there is some freedom, but that freedom does not extend to everything.

00:10:22.000 He says, as U.S.

00:10:22.000 District Judge Tanya Walton-Pratt concluded in striking down the Indiana law, the state's high court determination leaves no room for the state to examine, let alone prohibit, the basis or bases upon which a woman makes her choice.

00:10:32.000 So for any reason, abortion on demand. 0.94

00:10:33.000 Just think about it.

00:10:34.000 Can it be that women have more constitutional freedom to choose to terminate their pregnancies on a whim than for the reason that the fetus has Down syndrome? 0.59

00:10:40.000 Now this is her only good argument.

00:10:42.000 And proves the reverse of what she wants it to prove.

00:10:44.000 She's saying, well, why would we limit the capacity of women to choose on Down syndrome, but we wouldn't limit their capacity to choose to abort a fetus just for fun? 0.75

00:10:51.000 I agree.

00:10:53.000 Agree. 0.97

00:10:54.000 The fact is that when you are talking about killing a baby in the womb,

00:10:58.000 Your choice should be severely circumscribed, whether you're talking about Down syndrome or anything else.

00:11:03.000 And she says, to the question of enforceability, who's going to police the decision making?

00:11:06.000 Doctors are now supposed to turn in their patients for making a decision of which the state disapproves.

00:11:10.000 No, my guess is that all of these bills do not punish the woman. 1.00

00:11:12.000 They probably punish the doctor.

00:11:14.000 They say, in an argument worthy, this is Ruth Marcus, in an argument worthy of The Handmaid's Tale, 0.77

00:11:19.000 The state of Indiana suggests precisely that scenario.

00:11:21.000 In other words, though they didn't put it in these exact words, the state can hijack your body.

00:11:23.000 It's not about hijacking the body of the woman.

00:11:25.000 This is about protecting the body of the baby inside the woman. 0.98

00:11:27.000 Duh.

00:11:40.000 So, this is just example number one of the extremism of the left brought into full relief. 0.97

00:11:45.000 We'll get to another crazy example in just a second in the dumbest column in recent history. 0.96

00:11:49.000 That one doesn't even take the cake for the weekend. 1.00

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00:13:15.000 Now it's time for crazy editorial number two.

00:13:17.000 So again, you wonder why Trump wins?

00:13:19.000 You wonder why Republicans win even though they're really bad at everything?

00:13:22.000 And why is it that Republicans keep winning even though they're really bad at everything? 0.75

00:13:25.000 It's because the left has gone crazy.

00:13:27.000 Now there are a couple of charts out there that show the Democratic and Republican Party splits, meaning where the right has moved and where the left has moved.

00:13:33.000 And what the charts show is that basically since 2010, the Republican Party has been static.

00:13:38.000 But the Democratic Party has been moving wildly to the left.

00:13:40.000 They've been moving solely to the left.

00:13:41.000 So the greater partisan polar gap that's being created right now is being created by the left moving harder to the left, not by the right moving harder to the right.

00:13:50.000 Okay, so, with that in mind, here is crazy column number two.

00:13:54.000 So this one is courtesy of some weird guy named Tim Crider.

00:13:57.000 Over at the New York Times.

00:13:58.000 He's an essayist.

00:13:59.000 He's a professional essayist, which is to say he reads a bunch of stuff that the New York Times pays him for, but the only people who read him are people who sit there with their cat and their cup of coffee at brunch on Sunday morning on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

00:14:10.000 He penned an op-ed that is—I mean, this is a crazy op-ed.

00:14:14.000 It's called, Go Ahead Millennials, Destroy Us. 1.00

00:14:17.000 No, I am not kidding.

00:14:18.000 That is the name of the op-ed, and it is not a good op-ed.

00:14:21.000 Shockingly.

00:14:22.000 You may have thought that from that title it would be a great op-ed.

00:14:24.000 You would be wrong.

00:14:25.000 It is, in fact, a terrible op-ed.

00:14:27.000 So, let's go through how bad this op-ed is.

00:14:30.000 Okay, this op-ed.

00:14:32.000 Apparently it came out, I guess, March 2nd, 2018.

00:14:34.000 So it's a little bit old, but it's still worth commenting on.

00:14:38.000 So it's over the last week and a half.

00:14:39.000 He says, as with all the historic tipping points, it seems inevitable in retrospect.

00:14:43.000 Of course it was young people, the actual victims of the slaughter, who have finally begun to turn the tide against guns in this country.

00:14:49.000 Kids don't have money and can't vote. 0.78

00:14:50.000 And until now, burying a few dozen a year has apparently been a price that lots of Americans were willing to pay to hold on to the props of their pathetic role-playing fantasies. 0.92

00:14:58.000 But they forgot what the adults always forget.

00:15:00.000 That our children grow up and remember everything and forgive nothing.

00:15:05.000 And then you just get a weird eerie cue from Children of the Corn.

00:15:08.000 It's all weird.

00:15:08.000 Okay, so let's point something out.

00:15:12.000 This whole idea that children are going to lead us is incredibly stupid. 0.99

00:15:16.000 We don't listen to children on anything. 1.00

00:15:17.000 And people will say about me, well, you know, you were writing a syndicated column when you were 17, right?

00:15:21.000 And I was getting shellacked for the stuff that I was saying, sometimes deservedly so.

00:15:24.000 I don't believe everything that I wrote at 17, because no one does.

00:15:28.000 And if you do, it's because you've lost the capacity to change and the capacity to think.

00:15:32.000 As we get older, we have more life experience, and very often that means we get wiser. 0.99

00:15:36.000 The notion that a bunch of Americans are sitting around completely blasé about the murder of schoolchildren in Parkland, Florida, is just insane, and that a bunch of kids realize that their parents don't care about them, well, that seems really stupid to me. 0.98

00:15:49.000 Anyway, Kreider writes, 0.98

00:16:13.000 So Tim Crider is basically the hippie homeless guy who hangs out outside the store and gives kids money to buy him beer.

00:16:19.000 And then all the kids think, oh, that guy's cool because he also gave me a beer.

00:16:23.000 And I got him a six pack inside.

00:16:25.000 And then he and then sorry, it's the reverse.

00:16:28.000 He's the creepy guy that he's the creepy homeless guy that kids give money to to buy beers.

00:16:30.000 And then he brings out the six pack and he gives a six pack to the kids.

00:16:33.000 Right.

00:16:33.000 That's who this guy is.

00:16:35.000 I smoke doobies with the kids, and then I'm the uncle at the barbecue, and I give the kids beer, and then I pat their back while they vomit into the bushes, and later their mom and dad say, stay away from Uncle Jim.

00:16:44.000 That's who this guy Tim Cretor is. 0.96

00:16:46.000 Because this is ridiculous. 0.98

00:16:48.000 That sentence again. 0.98

00:16:49.000 Have you ever tried to argue with adolescents?

00:16:51.000 They have a thousand times more energy for the fight than you and a bottomless reservoir of moral rage.

00:16:55.000 Yeah, usually they're arguing in favor of taking drugs and having random sex with people and playing Xbox instead of doing their homework.

00:17:01.000 That's usually what teenagers are arguing in favor of.

00:17:03.000 But we're supposed to care about their bottomless reservoir of moral rage?

00:17:07.000 Honest to God, if 16-year-olds ran the world, the world would be even worse than it is right now.

00:17:10.000 Okay, so I'm going to talk a little bit more about this column, because it gets even more insane than that in just a second.

00:17:16.000 Well, actually, you know, let's just keep going with that.

00:17:19.000 Okay, fine.

00:17:19.000 So here is, so he continues.

00:17:22.000 Like most people in middle age, I regard young people with suspicion. 0.77

00:17:25.000 The young, and the young in mind, tend to be uncompromising absolutists.

00:17:29.000 They haven't yet faced life's heartless compromises and forfeitures.

00:17:32.000 It's countless trials by boredom and ethical Kobayashi Maru's, or glumly watched themselves do everything they ever disapproved of.

00:17:38.000 I am creeped out by the increasing dogmatism and intolerance of millennials on the left.

00:17:41.000 I felt a generational divide open up under me last year when everyone under 40 seemed to agree that Dana Schutz's painting of Emmett Till in his coffin should be removed from the Whitney Biennial.

00:17:50.000 When I was young, it seemed the natural order of things that conservatives were the prudes and scolds who wanted books banned and exhibitions closed, while we liberals got to be the gadflies and iconoclasts.

00:17:57.000 I know that whenever you disapprove of young people, you're in the wrong, because you're going to die and they'll get to write history, but I just can't help noticing that the liberal side isn't much fun to be on anymore.

00:18:06.000 So he acknowledges that people on the left, a lot of folks on the left, are not particularly tolerant.

00:18:10.000 But then he continues, 0.97

00:18:23.000 Okay, so the fact that kids are dumb and manichaean, that they see things in black and white, that's a strength, you see. 0.98

00:18:29.000 Young people have only just learned that the world is an unfair hierarchy of cruelty and greed, and it still shocks and outrages them. 0.98

00:18:35.000 They don't understand how vast and intractable the forces that have shaped this world really are.

00:18:39.000 And still think they can change it.

00:18:40.000 Revolutions have always been driven by the young. 0.98

00:18:43.000 That's true.

00:18:43.000 And most revolutions end in chaos and bloody murder.

00:18:46.000 Most revolutions driven by young people end in absolute chaos, bloody murder, sometimes the murder of hundreds of millions of people in the case of communist revolutions. 0.67

00:18:54.000 In the case of the French Revolution, they end with the guillotine.

00:18:56.000 They always eat the old fogies who think that they're egging on the young. 0.99

00:18:59.000 And Robespierre ends up on the guillotine just the same as the anti-Jacobins who ended up on the guillotine because of Robespierre.

00:19:06.000 The revolutions that have done pretty well in human history tend not to be led by people who are 17.

00:19:11.000 There is a disproportionate support for the Nazi party among the young.

00:19:14.000 The revolutions that tend to do pretty well, I'm talking here particularly about the American Revolution, are led by middle-aged people.

00:19:19.000 The average age of the Declaration of Independence signees, or signers rather, was 44.

00:19:23.000 That was the average age of the people signing the Declaration of Independence.

00:19:26.000 There were about a dozen people who signed who were under the age of 35.

00:19:29.000 But life expectancy in those days was also a lot lower.

00:19:32.000 Which is why the presidential age of limitation is at 35, because the idea was that you were a mature human being by 35.

00:19:38.000 Even a 17-year-old in 1776 was probably the equivalent of a 25-year-old today in terms of maturity and responsibility.

00:19:46.000 But this guy, Tim Kreider of the New York Times, he says, Now, do you get the feeling that Tim Kreider has an agenda here?

00:19:52.000 He might have an agenda, and he only likes young people who agree with that agenda.

00:20:16.000 So, as I mentioned, there are a bunch of young students who actually don't agree with that agenda.

00:20:20.000 In fact, by polls, young people tend to be more in favor of gun rights than older people.

00:20:25.000 Young people, people who are below the age of 25, tend to be more in favor of concealed carry than older people.

00:20:31.000 But my favorite thing here is he gets to the end of this ridiculous essay.

00:20:36.000 And he starts basically, he starts basically lobbying for the young people to listen to him and then to build a statue of him, Tim Kreider of the New York Times.

00:20:44.000 He says, the students of Parkland are like veterans coming home from the bloody front of the NRA's de facto war on children.

00:20:50.000 Again, I'm getting very, very sick of the notion that everybody who is in favor of gun rights is responsible for Parkland.

00:20:58.000 It's like right after JFK's assassination, when the entire left decided that it was a bunch of Southern Republican rednecks who had shot JFK, even though he was a communist. 0.77

00:21:06.000 This is a complete misread.

00:21:08.000 And we now have news that the Parkland shooter was reporting to the authorities.

00:21:12.000 He was reporting to his teachers that he was having dreams of shooting his fellow students and walking around dipped in their blood.

00:21:18.000 And the schools knew about it, and they did nothing about it.

00:21:21.000 And there's a report from Real Clear Investigations last week showing that the Broward County schools had implemented new policies that were specifically designed to prevent the reporting of kids who are involved in misdemeanor crimes because they wanted to lower their crime stats.

00:21:35.000 And it's the NRA's fault?

00:21:37.000 But anyway, Tim Kreider finishes up.

00:21:38.000 He says, My message as an aging generation Xer to millennials and those coming after them is go get us. 0.97

00:21:43.000 Take us down.

00:21:44.000 All those cringing provincials who still think climate change is a hoax, that being transgender is a fad, or that socialism means purges and reeducation camps.

00:21:51.000 Rid the world of all of our outmoded opinions, vestigial prejudices, and rotten institutions.

00:21:55.000 Gender roles as disfiguring as foot binding. 0.93

00:21:57.000 The moribund and vampiric two-party system.

00:22:00.000 The savage theory of capitalism. 0.98

00:22:02.000 Rip it all to the ground.

00:22:03.000 I for one can't wait till we're gone.

00:22:05.000 I just wish I could live to see the world without us.

00:22:08.000 Oh my god.

00:22:11.000 Just go away, dude.

00:22:13.000 First of all, I like when he says, take us down, and then he says, I don't mean me.

00:22:16.000 I mean everyone else.

00:22:16.000 I mean, I don't mean me.

00:22:17.000 I mean all those crazy Republican conservatives who think things like socialism's bad, and like sex, there's such a thing as biological sex, and that maybe we shouldn't have the government run all of our industries because of climate change. 0.92

00:22:29.000 It's truly amazing, but this is the virtue signaling that's going on on the left. 0.98

00:22:32.000 I mean, those... My goodness.

00:22:35.000 Gender roles as disfiguring as foot-binding? 0.90

00:22:37.000 Okay, no one thinks that women are being foot-bound in Western society.

00:22:40.000 Okay, the savage theory of capitalism that allows Tim Crider to write his crappy columns rather than mopping up a stall with his discarded drafts, as he probably should be doing.

00:22:48.000 And that discarded theory of capitalism is the only thing that separates Tim Crider from absolute penury and poverty, considering the quality of his work.

00:22:55.000 Okay, we'll get to...

00:22:56.000 Even worse!

00:22:57.000 Okay, so the editorial pages get even worse over the weekend, and I will explain why in just a second.

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00:24:27.000 Okay, so.

00:24:29.000 Meanwhile, so we've had the left advocating for full-scale revolution to rip down capitalism and gender roles. 0.98

00:24:34.000 We have had the left advocating in favor of eugenics, of killing Down Syndrome babies in the womb. 0.75

00:24:40.000 And now we have a leftist named Elizabeth Bruning. 1.00

00:24:44.000 Who is advocating for socialism.

00:24:46.000 So last week, as we talked about at length, she wrote an entire column advocating for socialism.

00:24:51.000 She talked about how capitalism was deeply flawed and terrible, and we have to ensure that socialism has another chance.

00:24:57.000 And I sort of took that column apart here on the program.

00:24:59.000 I also wrote a piece about it.

00:25:00.000 And she was very angry that I wrote a piece about it.

00:25:03.000 She got very mad that I wrote a piece in response to all of that.

00:25:06.000 And what she was particularly mad about is that I pointed out that Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Union, North Korea, China, these are not good countries to live.

00:25:14.000 These are terrible places.

00:25:15.000 And that socialism has a pretty long and bloody history.

00:25:17.000 And I also pointed out, she didn't like this particularly, that a lot of the Nordic countries, a lot of the Scandinavian countries, all these supposed socialist paradises, are in fact largely either mercantilist, meaning state-sponsored capitalism,

00:25:30.000 We're good to go.

00:25:41.000 of the means of production.

00:25:42.000 Those are the two general principles of socialism, that the state owns the distribution of resources, and also that the state owns the means of production.

00:25:49.000 So the state decides how much people are paid, the state decides what resources you get, the state redistributes as it sees fit.

00:25:56.000 So a lot of Scandinavian countries have a lot of redistributionism, so they have one half of socialism, but most of them have also heavy structures of private ownership, which is true in Denmark, it is true in Sweden.

00:26:05.000 These are actually good places to do business.

00:26:07.000 If anything, they're more mercantilist than they are socialist, because these are not places where they are redistributing all resources inwardly.

00:26:14.000 They're not nationalizing every industry.

00:26:16.000 Instead, they are sponsoring and subsidizing particular private industries in large ways.

00:26:20.000 Okay, that's fairly typical of these Nordic systems.

00:26:23.000 So, she's back and she's mad. 0.87

00:26:24.000 So first, she starts off her column today talking about how I was mean to her, about how I straw-manned her.

00:26:30.000 She says that I was arguing in bad faith.

00:26:32.000 And then she gives a two-paragraph long description of what it means to argue in bad faith. 0.98

00:26:36.000 Which is idiotic, because I was not arguing in bad faith. 0.99

00:26:38.000 In fact, I think that her column was just bad. 0.99

00:26:42.000 It wasn't that I was faking it.

00:26:43.000 It wasn't that I was trying to create a strawman.

00:26:45.000 I just think her original column was bad.

00:26:47.000 She was particularly mad that I mentioned Cuba, the Soviet Union, Venezuela, because she says,

00:26:55.000 Well, I never suggested that you actually wanted America to become those places.

00:26:59.000 You didn't mention any countries in your column.

00:27:01.000 You just said capitalism is bad and socialism is good, which means that I should probably examine some of the socialist countries that are out there.

00:27:07.000 Here's what she writes.

00:27:08.000 She writes, Last week, I wrote a column arguing that liberals concerned about ongoing failures in the American experiment should consider socialist remedies.

00:27:14.000 That's not what you wrote.

00:27:16.000 What she actually wrote is that capitalism was bad.

00:27:18.000 What she actually wrote, the direct quote from her piece, is that capitalism itself was inherently flawed.

00:27:27.000 She wrote, quote, That's a direct quote.

00:27:34.000 That's not some aspects of capitalism.

00:27:36.000 That's not we should keep capitalism, but we should have a socialized health care system.

00:27:39.000 That's capitalism itself should be discarded in favor of socialism.

00:27:43.000 So she says, Again, not what she wrote.

00:28:04.000 I don't think anybody actually believes I'm rooting for totalitarian forms of socialism, nor for its most devastatingly ill-mannered variants.

00:28:10.000 I said I wasn't, after all.

00:28:11.000 If one genuinely thought a person was campaigning for genocide, one surely wouldn't engage with someone so unreasonable.

00:28:16.000 Okay, now, she's arguing that I set up a straw man and reading her entire column on air, which I did last week?

00:28:20.000 No.

00:28:21.000 This is a straw man.

00:28:22.000 No one claimed that Elizabeth Brunning wants a bunch of communist genocides to occur all over the world. 0.99

00:28:29.000 But I am saying that if you are talking about socialism, some things have unintended side effects, and socialism is one of those things.

00:28:35.000 It would be kind of ridiculous to ignore the results of socialist experiments elsewhere just because you didn't like the results.

00:28:40.000 It's called the No True Scotsman Fallacy. 0.86

00:28:42.000 You get to claim that it wasn't truly socialism because bad crap happened after it. 0.87

00:28:46.000 No, it was truly socialism, and bad crap happened after it. 0.89

00:28:51.000 She may not have intended for the citizens of—I doubt that she or anyone else intended for the starving citizens of Venezuela to be eating dog right now, but they are, even if they didn't intend it to be. 0.96

00:29:01.000 I doubt that Hugo Chavez wanted his citizens shooting dogs in the streets and eating them, but that's what they're doing.

00:29:06.000 Okay, because that's what socialism brings.

00:29:08.000 Okay, so then she gets mad because I mentioned that some of these supposedly socialist paradises in Nordic countries are not actually particularly socialist.

00:29:16.000 And she says,

00:29:27.000 So, let me get this straight.

00:29:28.000 It's wrong for me to mention Venezuela and Cuba, and it's also wrong for me to mention the Nordic countries?

00:29:33.000 So which is it?

00:29:33.000 Am I allowed to mention, like, any countries that you claim are socialist?

00:29:36.000 Or no?

00:29:37.000 No country is socialist except in Elizabeth Bruning's mind.

00:29:39.000 She says, After all, these countries are inconvenient when arguing that socialism necessarily means mass murder and famine.

00:29:44.000 And then she quotes me, saying, No, Sweden and Denmark aren't socialist countries.

00:29:48.000 And she says, The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro noted it apropos of nothing in his piece on my alleged Stalinism.

00:29:52.000 Well, no, actually, I'm dismissing them as socialist countries, because if you're going to talk about true socialism, you should talk about true socialism, not capitalist countries with some redistributionist tendencies.

00:30:02.000 The United States is a capitalist country with redistributionist tendencies.

00:30:12.000 Well, no, I'm happy to discuss the socialism, the supposed socialism of these countries.

00:30:16.000 And then what's funny is that Brooding doesn't really discuss Sweden or Denmark, right?

00:30:19.000 She ignores Sweden and Denmark, the two examples that I picked, and which Bernie Sanders usually uses, right, when he talks about socialism.

00:30:24.000 Instead, she chooses Norway.

00:30:25.000 So, let's talk about Norway.

00:30:27.000 This is the only podcast today where you're going to hear lots of stuff about Norway.

00:30:29.000 But you're going to hear lots of stuff about Norway, not just because they're really good in Winter Olympic sports, but also because they're a favorite of the left when the left is arguing in favor of socialism.

00:30:37.000 So here's what she says about Norway.

00:30:40.000 Well, first she says this.

00:30:41.000 She says, first, I think it makes sense to think of socialism on a spectrum.

00:30:45.000 Sort of like gender, right? 0.71

00:30:45.000 It's like, yeah, it's a spectrum. 0.71

00:30:47.000 With countries and policies being more or less socialist rather than either or.

00:30:50.000 It's fair to say, for example, that single-payer health care is a more socialist policy than private market-based health care.

00:30:55.000 But that doesn't mean that single-payer is the most socialist health care policy one could dream up, nor that any country that uses such a system is de facto socialist.

00:31:03.000 Along these axes, we can determine whether policies are more or less socialist.

00:31:06.000 OK, this is a fair argument.

00:31:07.000 It's also not the argument she was making.

00:31:08.000 She was not making the argument that we ought to have a more socialist health care system.

00:31:12.000 And lots of people have made that argument.

00:31:13.000 And I've explained why I think that argument is wrong.

00:31:15.000 She was arguing that capitalism wholesale should be junked.

00:31:18.000 That's a very different argument.

00:31:19.000 But let's take her new argument.

00:31:21.000 Let's pretend that this was the original argument she made, and she's not lying.

00:31:24.000 And let's ignore the fact that she's surrounding herself, that she actually is pretending that she wrote something she didn't.

00:31:30.000 But we're going to get to her new favorite paradise, her socialist paradise, Norway.

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00:33:05.000 Alrighty, so, back to this column in the Washington Post in which someone is arguing, Elizabeth Bernie is arguing for socialism.

00:33:11.000 So what kind of socialism does she want? 0.90

00:33:13.000 She says not Soviet Union, not Venezuela, not Cuba, not Sweden, not Denmark.

00:33:16.000 No, Norway.

00:33:17.000 Okay, so we finally found the country she likes.

00:33:19.000 And it is Norway.

00:33:21.000 Sure, it's really cold and the food stinks, but...

00:33:23.000 Norway.

00:33:24.000 Why Norway?

00:33:24.000 Because, quote,

00:33:42.000 Well, that actually isn't what you wrote, but now you're writing it.

00:33:44.000 So we'll take your argument now and pretend that you wrote it before.

00:33:46.000 Okay.

00:34:00.000 Let's talk about Norway.

00:34:02.000 So, a few things about Norway.

00:34:03.000 First, Norway has no people.

00:34:06.000 Hey, Norway is 5.6 million people.

00:34:08.000 The county of Los Angeles is 3.9 million people.

00:34:13.000 There are no people in Norway, so it's kind of easier to do redistribution when you have no people and also an enormous oil industry.

00:34:20.000 The oil industry, which was nationalized under Statoil in Norway in the 1960s, the oil industry is responsible for fully 22% of the GDP of Norway.

00:34:30.000 They have a trillion dollar state fund that is completely funded by oil wealth.

00:34:34.000 And 67% of all exports from Norway are in oil and natural gas.

00:34:38.000 So it's more like the United Arab Emirates than it is like the United States.

00:34:41.000 It's a giant oil plutocracy in which everyone is in plutocrat because you have five people and lots of oil.

00:34:48.000 It's a lot like the UAE.

00:34:49.000 And in fact, when you look at countries by GDP per capita, what you see is that this is not uncommon.

00:34:55.000 GDP per capita

00:34:57.000 According to our friends over at Dr. Wikipedia, it's countries like Qatar.

00:35:05.000 Qatar is the number one country in GDP per capita because it's an oil emirate.

00:35:10.000 It's $125,000 per person.

00:35:11.000 Now, would you rather live there?

00:35:12.000 United Arab Emirates.

00:35:14.000 It's $68,000 per person.

00:35:15.000 The United States is $59,000 per person.

00:35:17.000 Where would you rather live?

00:35:18.000 The answer is the United States because we have this thing called freedom.

00:35:21.000 It turns out that when you give a lot of power to the government, then sometimes they can give you a lot of money based on the

00:35:26.000 Thanks for watching.

00:35:41.000 Hey, and that's not the extent of their government holdings.

00:35:43.000 The government also seized all German owned stocks after World War Two.

00:35:47.000 So after World War Two, Norway just seized all of the stocks and they nationalized them, which explains the state's high levels of ownership in the stock market.

00:35:53.000 But does this mean that the state runs the businesses for the benefit of the workers?

00:35:56.000 Do they run the benefits? 0.91

00:35:58.000 Do they run the businesses in full Marxist fashion where they're just deciding based on the women? 0.96

00:36:02.000 Do the workers vote?

00:36:03.000 No, the stockholders vote.

00:36:05.000 In fact, Norway insists that all of its business run according to the whims of stockholders and all stockholders must be chosen equally.

00:36:12.000 In fact, in Norway, state-owned industries do something that doesn't happen in the United States.

00:36:16.000 State-owned industries in Norway can actually go bankrupt.

00:36:19.000 That's actually happened before.

00:36:21.000 So the state actually operates more like mercantilist 18th century Britain with regard to, for example, the royal trading companies, than it does like the Soviet Union or Cuba or along Marx's lines.

00:36:34.000 And Norway's a relatively friendly business climate for people who are looking to set up a business.

00:36:37.000 Heritage Foundation ranks it 23rd in the world, the United States ranks about 18th.

00:36:41.000 Now again, it is important to recognize that also the redistributionist tendencies of Norway and its workable economy are partially a result of the people who live there.

00:36:50.000 Culture matters.

00:36:51.000 Norway has a different culture.

00:36:52.000 In fact, Norway's culture is pretty easy to spot.

00:36:55.000 You know how you can tell when Norway has a different culture as opposed to other countries?

00:36:59.000 Number one, there's almost no diversity in Norway.

00:37:01.000 Only 13% of people who live in Norway are immigrants and only 15.6% of the population are immigrants or children of immigrants.

00:37:09.000 32% of the population of Norway has a higher education degree.

00:37:11.000 So if we're going to actually compare Norway to the United States, you want to compare apples to apples.

00:37:15.000 So how do we do that?

00:37:16.000 We compare Norwegians in Norway with Norwegians in the United States. 0.65

00:37:19.000 And here's a dirty little fact.

00:37:21.000 Norwegians in the United States earn more than Norwegians in Norway.

00:37:25.000 This is also true of Danish folks living in the United States and Swedish Americans.

00:37:30.000 Danish Americans, according to Nima Sandanji,

00:37:33.000 She says, or he says rather, that Danish Americans have a 55% higher living standard than Danes themselves.

00:37:40.000 Swedish Americans have a 53% higher living standard than Swedes.

00:37:43.000 The gap is even greater, 59% between Finnish Americans and Finns.

00:37:47.000 So if you come over here from your home country of Norway, you're going to do better in the United States than you were doing in Norway.

00:37:52.000 Even Norwegian Americans who don't have the oil wealth, the redistributionist oil wealth of Norway, they have a 3% higher living standard than their cousins overseas.

00:38:01.000 So that statistic about higher per capita GDP, it doesn't make as much of a difference as you would think, OK?

00:38:05.000 Norway has about $71,000 per year per capita, $59,500 in the United States.

00:38:10.000 But again, a lot of that's due to oil wealth.

00:38:13.000 And the top personal income tax rate in Norway is 48%.

00:38:16.000 The corporate tax rate is 25%.

00:38:18.000 The tax burden in Norway represents 38.1% of total domestic income, compared to 26% in the United States.

00:38:25.000 Government spending amounts to 48.6% of GDP compared to 38% in the United States.

00:38:31.000 And it is super expensive to live in Norway.

00:38:33.000 This is the thing that people neglect about all these socialist Swedish and Norway, all these countries, the Nordic countries.

00:38:39.000 It's really expensive to live there.

00:38:40.000 A haircut can cost you 50 bucks in Norway.

00:38:43.000 Now, I may pay 50 bucks for a haircut, but that's because I'm a professional person on television.

00:38:47.000 OK, there is no super cuts for eight dollars in Norway.

00:38:50.000 It is the second most expensive country to buy food in Europe, which means it is the second most expensive country to buy food on planet Earth.

00:38:56.000 It is the most expensive country to buy alcohol and tobacco.

00:39:00.000 Vehicles cost 40 to 50 percent more in Norway than they do in the United States.

00:39:04.000 Food costs like 60 percent more than it does in the United States.

00:39:07.000 And by the way, they're running out of money.

00:39:09.000 Despite all of this, all of this oil wealth, they are realizing that eventually the oil wealth will run out.

00:39:14.000 And that's why they elected a conservative government, not a liberal government, a conservative government in 2013, and re-elected that government in 2017.

00:39:22.000 Norway may be more socialistic than the United States, but it is certainly not a paradise. 0.86

00:39:25.000 And the notion that we are going to base all of this, that we're going to become Norway, is just so ignorant on every level.

00:39:34.000 I have to imagine the only reason Elizabeth Burdick spit out Norway as opposed to Denmark or Sweden is that she recognized I was kind of right on Denmark and Sweden, so she picked another Nordic country to talk about. 0.82

00:39:43.000 Okay, so.

00:39:44.000 Meanwhile, President Trump, over the weekend, had another one of his speeches.

00:39:50.000 And this speech was a wild hootenanny.

00:39:53.000 I mean, a wild hootenanny.

00:39:55.000 So the President of the United States led off by explaining what his 2020 slogan would be.

00:40:00.000 When we start running in, can you believe it, two years from now?

00:40:05.000 Is going to be, keep America great!

00:40:09.000 Exclamation point.

00:40:11.000 Keep America great.

00:40:15.000 Exclamation point!

00:40:18.000 Okay, not like Jeb!

00:40:19.000 Exclamation point.

00:40:20.000 It's going to keep America great!

00:40:21.000 Exclamation point.

00:40:21.000 Because America wasn't great before Trump was elected, but now it's great, and so we're going to keep it great.

00:40:26.000 Okay, fair enough.

00:40:27.000 The guy's got a nose for marketing.

00:40:28.000 Can't really blame him on that one.

00:40:31.000 The left will go predictably nuts over all that.

00:40:33.000 That wasn't what made all the headlines, though.

00:40:34.000 What really made all the headlines is that Trump decided to go after a bunch of other political figures.

00:40:38.000 So one of those political figures he decided to go after was, of course, Maxine Waters.

00:40:42.000 Maxine Waters is indeed a non-intelligent person.

00:40:44.000 We've talked about Maxine Waters many times on the show before.

00:40:47.000 Maxine Waters is someone who's called the Los Angeles Riots, the L.A.

00:40:50.000 uprising.

00:40:51.000 The Los Angeles Riots were not an uprising.

00:40:53.000 It was a bunch of people in inner city South Central burning down inner city South Central.

00:40:57.000 It was not an uprising.

00:40:58.000 It was a riot.

00:41:00.000 Maxine Waters said in 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were doing just fine.

00:41:03.000 She tried to get a bailout for, I believe it was her husband's or her brother's bank, One United.

00:41:09.000 Maxine Waters is not, I mean, you can watch, listen, I've been very clear that I don't think that Trump is exactly Phi Beta Kappa.

00:41:15.000 I'm pretty clear when I think politicians are not all that smart.

00:41:17.000 Maxine Waters is not a smart person. 1.00

00:41:19.000 Trump says this, though, and people call him racist. 0.97

00:41:21.000 Maxine Waters, a very low IQ individual.

00:41:25.000 You ever see her?

00:41:28.000 Have you ever seen her?

00:41:29.000 Have you ever seen her?

00:41:30.000 We will impeach him!

00:41:32.000 We will impeach the press.

00:41:35.000 But he hasn't done anything wrong.

00:41:36.000 It doesn't matter.

00:41:37.000 We will impeach him. 0.95

00:41:39.000 She's a low IQ individual. 1.00

00:41:41.000 You can't help her.

00:41:43.000 She really is.

00:41:43.000 Okay, so people called him racist because he was in, I think it was John Favreau from the Obama campaign, who's now on Pod Save America.

00:41:49.000 Oh, this is racist. 1.00

00:41:50.000 He went to a white rural part of Pennsylvania and he said a black person's stupid. 1.00

00:41:54.000 That's racist. 1.00

00:41:55.000 In terms of lots of people are stupid. 1.00

00:41:56.000 I mean, have you watched this guy? 1.00

00:41:58.000 He's called people low IQ before. 1.00

00:42:00.000 He says people are stupid on a regular basis. 1.00

00:42:02.000 This is not a shock. 1.00

00:42:03.000 And also, Maxine Waters is kind of dumb. 1.00

00:42:06.000 Just putting it out there, there are lots of black legislators who are not dumb. 0.99

00:42:09.000 Kamala Harris is a smart person. 0.91

00:42:11.000 Barack Obama was an intelligent person.

00:42:13.000 Cory Booker, for as much as I dislike him, is a relatively smart person.

00:42:16.000 Maxine Waters is a dum-dum.

00:42:17.000 Maxine Waters is a Froot Loop. 1.00

00:42:19.000 And so Trump calling her a dumb-dumb is just, that is not racist. 0.99

00:42:25.000 Then he attacked the media because this is what Trump does. 1.00

00:42:27.000 You know, once he gets going, it's a comedy routine.

00:42:29.000 And so he goes after Chuck Todd in some rather colorful language here.

00:42:33.000 Here we go.

00:42:33.000 You ever see the story where I'm, it's 1999, I'm on Meet the Press, a show now headed by sleepy eyes Chuck Todd.

00:42:45.000 He's a sleeping son of a bitch, I'll tell you. 0.99

00:42:51.000 Yeah, it's kind of weird. 1.00

00:42:52.000 So Chuck Todd apparently is a sleepy-eyed SOB, which is pretty spectacular.

00:42:58.000 And then Chuck Todd responds.

00:42:59.000 Again, here's the thing about Trump.

00:43:01.000 Is this stuff the president should be saying?

00:43:03.000 No, of course not. 0.99

00:43:04.000 I don't remember George Washington calling Thomas Jefferson a sleepy-eyed son of a bitch. 0.99

00:43:08.000 That was not a thing. 1.00

00:43:10.000 Abraham Lincoln was not going, you know, that Jefferson Davis, that sleepy-eyed son of a bitch. 0.99

00:43:16.000 It wasn't a thing. 0.99

00:43:17.000 Let alone members of the media.

00:43:18.000 But, you know, it's a thing Trump does.

00:43:20.000 We're all used to it by now.

00:43:22.000 But what makes it ridiculous is that people in the media are still trying to schoolmarm him.

00:43:26.000 So what they really should say is, listen, the president of the United States, we understand he's having a tough time out there in the approval ratings.

00:43:31.000 But, you know, not appropriate language.

00:43:33.000 But instead, they decided to go completely over the top.

00:43:35.000 So as somebody who's been called every name in the book by pretty much everyone,

00:43:39.000 I mean, there was a full op-ed in the New York Times, like, not that long ago.

00:43:42.000 What was it, four months ago?

00:43:44.000 By a particular columnist, suggesting that I was not as courageous as I think I am, that I was sort of a coward in some way.

00:43:52.000 That columnist and I regularly correspond now.

00:43:54.000 OK, so the fact that people are mean to members of the media and the members of the media can't take it, there are some pretty thin-skinned members of the media.

00:44:05.000 Here is Chuck Todd's response after all of this.

00:44:08.000 Many people, including myself, raise their kids to respect the office of the presidency and the president of the United States.

00:44:14.000 When he uses vulgarity to talk about individuals, what are they supposed to tell their kids?

00:44:20.000 I don't know, Chuck.

00:44:21.000 What are you supposed to tell your kids?

00:44:22.000 You know what I would tell my kids? 1.00

00:44:23.000 He's a jerk! 1.00

00:44:24.000 That's what I would tell my kids. 1.00

00:44:25.000 If my kid asked me, if my daughter asked me, why are people mean to you, dad? 1.00

00:44:27.000 I would say, because they're jerks! 1.00

00:44:29.000 And that'd be the end of the conversation. 1.00

00:44:30.000 Okay, but this sort of schoolmarming and tut-tutting, all of this combined with the leftist radicalism, none of this is going to hurt Trump.

00:44:37.000 In fact, all of it is probably going to help Trump.

00:44:39.000 Okay, so.

00:44:40.000 Now, I want to discuss the latest on Trump, North Korea, and all the rest.

00:44:44.000 So, President Trump, at this rally in Pennsylvania, he came out and discussed his upcoming meeting with Kim Jong-un.

00:44:51.000 So, last Friday, he sort of flip-flopped.

00:44:53.000 There was a statement that he wanted preconditions to meet with Kim Jong-un, the dictator of North Korea, that he only wanted to meet with him if there were certain conditions met.

00:45:01.000 And then, the White House walked that back and said, we don't want preconditions.

00:45:05.000 A lot of this is about Trump's faith in himself as a negotiator.

00:45:07.000 A lot of this is Trump thinks that he can walk into a room and get deals done. 0.98

00:45:10.000 Now, this is completely ignorant, OK? 0.99

00:45:12.000 Trump is not a great negotiator. 0.97

00:45:13.000 The last time he negotiated a deal, it was a deal that involved Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer walking in on the budget and walking out with exactly what they wanted.

00:45:20.000 But Trump thinks he's a great negotiator, and so here he is talking at his rally about meeting with Kim Jong-un.

00:45:25.000 He says, I'm the only guy who can make this deal happen.

00:45:28.000 They announced that he's not going to send missiles up anymore until through the meetings.

00:45:34.000 Well, think of that.

00:45:34.000 You know, we were losing.

00:45:35.000 We were getting a lot of missiles sent.

00:45:38.000 I wouldn't say Japan was thrilled. 0.58

00:45:39.000 Missiles flying over Japan.

00:45:43.000 They're very happy with what I'm doing.

00:45:45.000 And who else could do it?

00:45:48.000 I mean, honestly, when you think.

00:45:49.000 They're not going to send missiles up.

00:45:51.000 Think of it.

00:45:52.000 OK, so again, if this is the big concession that they're not going to fire missiles for like six weeks until they meet, that's not a concession.

00:45:59.000 And who else can do it?

00:46:00.000 Anyone.

00:46:01.000 Jimmy Carter could do it.

00:46:02.000 Bill Clinton could do it.

00:46:03.000 George W. Bush could do it.

00:46:04.000 If you want to meet with bad guys without preconditions, it's not all that hard.

00:46:07.000 I don't have a lot of faith in Trump's negotiation skills with regards to the North Koreans.

00:46:10.000 I really don't.

00:46:12.000 I don't think he's going to walk in the room and then come out of the room with a big deal from the North Koreans. 0.99

00:46:15.000 I explained why last week.

00:46:17.000 But that said, it is funny to watch people on the left fulminate over this.

00:46:20.000 Ben Rhodes, particularly. 0.99

00:46:21.000 Ben Rhodes is the worst human being. 0.60

00:46:23.000 Ben Rhodes, the former National Security Advisor to Obama, whose entire job 0.95

00:46:29.000 Description before that consisted of writing unpublished novels from his Brooklyn apartment.

00:46:33.000 He ends up being the instigator of the Iran deal, allowing the United States to basically surrender regional sovereignty to Iran.

00:46:41.000 Here he is tut-tutting Trump over the North Korean meeting. 1.00

00:46:44.000 Now listen, I'm not in favor of the North Korean meeting, but I'm not going to hear it from idiots like Ben Rhodes. 0.99

00:46:48.000 Well, the concern I have is, look, this is not a real estate deal or a reality show. 0.99

00:46:52.000 When you're in a negotiation with something as complex as a North Korean nuclear program, in a situation that is volatile as the Korean Peninsula, you need diplomats.

00:47:01.000 So, advice one is, don't hollow out the State Department.

00:47:04.000 They have no ambassador to Seoul.

00:47:06.000 The person who was in charge of North Korean negotiations just left the State Department.

00:47:10.000 So, one, get the professionals in the room to put together a strategy.

00:47:13.000 Okay, you mean the professionals in the room, like the people you sent in to give a billion dollars in cash to the Iranians, like those people?

00:47:20.000 You know, like, on pallets?

00:47:22.000 And the people who you sent in the room to give the Iranians everything they could ever want, including regional control over large swaths of Iraq and Syria and Lebanon? 0.86

00:47:29.000 Those people?

00:47:31.000 Again, I'm not in favor of Trump meeting here.

00:47:33.000 I don't think he's going to do any better than Obama did on North Korea. 0.96

00:47:36.000 I do think that Obama's people tut-tutting Trump for doing exactly the same thing Obama would have done is ridiculous and crazy.

00:47:44.000 Okay, time for some things I like, and then some things I hate, and we'll do a quick Federalist Paper.

00:47:48.000 So, things that I like.

00:47:49.000 So, speaking of socialism, so this week we're going to talk a little bit about socialism for the education of Elizabeth Bruning over at the Washington Post.

00:47:55.000 Okay, there's a great book called The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell.

00:47:59.000 It is well worth the read.

00:48:00.000 This is one of Orwell's lesser-read books, actually.

00:48:05.000 And the basic book was about socialism in Britain.

00:48:10.000 And so the first half of the book is about mass unemployment in north of England and the poverty that he sees there.

00:48:16.000 But the second half of the book is about how state control is not the answer.

00:48:21.000 And that's one of the things that's really interesting about Orwell, is Orwell certainly saw

00:48:26.000 What was driving so much of the ire against capitalism, but he also recognized the dangers of socialism.

00:48:56.000 Classics and Orwells really do.

00:48:58.000 Okay, time for, you know what?

00:49:00.000 Let's do a bunch of things I hate. 0.99

00:49:01.000 Let's just hate on a bunch of crap today. 0.93

00:49:03.000 Okay, so, OJ had a confession, like an if-I-did-it confession, that is from 10 years ago. 0.94

00:49:14.000 I remember when this first came out.

00:49:15.000 Actually, it's 15 years ago now.

00:49:16.000 And there's such hubbub, because people were saying, why should OJ be getting TV time to basically confess for a crime we all know he did?

00:49:22.000 Well, finally, that tape came out, and it was broadcast yesterday on Fox.

00:49:25.000 Here's what it looked like.

00:49:26.000 This guy kind of got into a karate thing. 1.00

00:49:29.000 And I said, well, you think you can kick my ass? 0.99

00:49:31.000 And I remember I grabbed a knife. 0.99

00:49:33.000 I do remember that portion, taking a knife from Charlie.

00:49:36.000 And to be honest, after that, I don't remember.

00:49:39.000 Except I'm standing there, and there's all kind of stuff around.

00:49:47.000 What kind of stuff?

00:49:48.000 Blood and stuff around.

00:49:51.000 I hate to say this, but this is what I remember.

00:49:53.000 I'm still in the back of the truck, and I can't believe what I'm seeing.

00:49:58.000 Because every time we go by intersections, it was like, where did these people get the time to make these signs?

00:50:04.000 Go OJ and stuff.

00:50:05.000 And what was strange is I was being depicted as a fugitive on the radio, but from the side of the roads, it was more people cheering.

00:50:16.000 I just remember listening to the radio, which I think was Dan Rather, it really saved my life.

00:50:21.000 Right.

00:50:21.000 Because when he said that OJ had a history, police were at their house all the time, eight or nine times.

00:50:28.000 That was the first time that week that I kind of woke up.

00:50:30.000 Hey, man, listen to what they're saying about me.

00:50:33.000 I said, you see, this is... My favorite thing about this interview is the interviewer sitting there going, wait, what's going on now?

00:50:40.000 So there's O.J.

00:50:40.000 basically confessing to murder.

00:50:42.000 Yes, of course O.J.

00:50:43.000 murdered his ex-wife, as well as Ronald Goldman.

00:50:45.000 Of course he murdered those people.

00:50:47.000 And of course it was during nullification.

00:50:49.000 And the fact that the polls show that a large percentage of black folks in America at the time of the O.J.

00:50:53.000 trials thought that he was innocent just shows

00:50:55.000 That human beings generally, not just black folks, human beings generally have an enormous capacity for cognitive failure. 1.00

00:51:02.000 I'm talking about failure to accept cognitive dissonance.

00:51:05.000 The racial politics may not be what you like, but OJ Simpson did in fact kill his ex-wife.

00:51:13.000 Evidence, folks.

00:51:13.000 Evidence, evidence, evidence.

00:51:14.000 OJ was guilty, obviously.

00:51:16.000 Other things that I hate.

00:51:18.000 Oprah Winfrey just galls me.

00:51:20.000 She just galls me.

00:51:21.000 And now, you know, she's kind of making overtures to maybe I'll run.

00:51:24.000 My favorite thing is that she said that if God tells her to run, that maybe she'll run.

00:51:27.000 Now, I like that the women of The View are very angry at Mike Pence whenever he talks about God talking to him. 0.80

00:51:31.000 But when Oprah says it, suddenly there's an actual pipeline to God.

00:51:35.000 Here's Oprah Winfrey talking about all of her kind of

00:51:40.000 I think I have to just say, everybody is feeding yourself on the hysteria and the negativity.

00:51:58.000 I don't even know what

00:52:13.000 I don't even know what that means.

00:52:14.000 You gotta be a warrior of the light.

00:52:15.000 Okay, what are you even talking about? 0.99

00:52:17.000 And then it gets even vaguer and more dumb. 0.97

00:52:18.000 Okay, so she said this one last week and I really wanted to play it and I just forgot about it. 0.97

00:52:22.000 This is where she's talking to a young girl.

00:52:24.000 What's her advice to young girls? 0.95

00:52:25.000 This is the most subjectivist nonsense. 0.92

00:52:27.000 Ay yi yi. 0.90

00:52:28.000 Okay, here she goes.

00:52:29.000 I have that advice for girls who look like you and for girls who don't, because the advice is really the same. 0.88

00:52:34.000 The highest honor on earth that you will ever have is the honor of being yourself.

00:52:41.000 And your only job in the world is to figure out, that's what this movie is about.

00:52:45.000 Your only job in the world, people think your job is to get up and go and raise money and take care of your family and stuff.

00:52:51.000 That's an obligation that you have, but your only true job as a human being is to discover why you came. 0.98

00:52:58.000 Okay, this is the most subjective, nonsense, post-modernist crap. 0.98

00:53:02.000 Okay, if your only job in the world is to discover yourself and to be yourself, my baby just did it. 0.99

00:53:08.000 Your job in the world is to better yourself.

00:53:11.000 Your job in the world is to be moral.

00:53:12.000 There are certain moral demands that are made upon you by nature and nature's God.

00:53:17.000 It's your job to fulfill those things.

00:53:19.000 Your obligations exist outside of you.

00:53:21.000 Your obligations are not only to yourself.

00:53:23.000 And if you believe that all of morality can be found within you, and that all you have to do is fulfill what you feel, and then everything will be great, this is how you end up with a solipsistic, nihilistic society where no one has anything in common because we all have our own mission in the world, and those missions often conflict with one another, but we're the only people in the end who really matter.

00:53:41.000 I hate this stuff more than I can tell you. 0.98

00:53:42.000 This nouveau garbage, just yuck. 0.99

00:53:47.000 Okay, fine. 0.98

00:53:49.000 Federalist paper number 19.

00:53:50.000 Good news.

00:53:51.000 This will take me 30 seconds because it's a very, it's a very historically based Federalist paper.

00:53:55.000 So, Federalist paper number 19, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison writing.

00:53:58.000 They consider talking about why the Articles of, they're still considering about why the Articles of Confederation were insufficient to preserve the Union.

00:54:06.000 They give a couple of examples as to why loose confederations have failed in the past.

00:54:10.000 They explore the situations of Germany pre-Bismarck, because obviously they're living pre-Bismarck, and the Polish Confederation and the Swiss Confederation.

00:54:18.000 Long story short, they essentially say all of these places have made themselves vulnerable to foreign invasion and have suffered from severe internal warfare as well, and that's why we need a stronger centralized government.

00:54:26.000 Boom.

00:54:26.000 Done with Federalist Number 19 in 30 seconds or less.

00:54:30.000 So, we will be back here tomorrow with a breakdown of everything that's going on.

00:54:33.000 Apparently, President Trump proposing a new quasi-gun control bill, or at least something to do with Parkland.

00:54:38.000 We'll analyze it and all of its details.

00:54:40.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 12, 2018

The Left Unleashes Its Crazy | Ep. 493

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