The Ben Shapiro Show - The Legend Of The Mooch | Ep. 352

00:00:00.000 Senator Jeff Flake follows in the footsteps of his maverick Arizona colleague John McCain.

00:00:04.000 He's never afraid to piss off Republican voters.

00:00:06.000 The latest example, Flake on a book tour for his Conscience of a Conservative, an obvious play on former Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater's Conscience of a Conservative, has been ripping President Trump up and down.

00:00:16.000 The book itself doesn't pull punches.

00:00:17.000 Flake says that Trump was, quote, a candidate who entertained voters and offered oversimplified answers.

00:00:22.000 In an op-ed for Politico, Flake wrote, quote, we created him and now we're rationalizing him.

00:00:26.000 When will that stop?

00:00:27.000 That unnerving silence in the face of an erratic executive branch is an abdication, and those in positions of leadership bear particular responsibility.

00:00:34.000 So, has Flake earned the respect of Democrats for his willingness to go it alone?

00:00:39.000 Have Democrats cheered Flake's appearance in trepidaty?

00:00:41.000 Have they celebrated Flake for speaking what they perceive to be hard truths about Trump?

00:00:46.000 Of course not!

00:00:46.000 They've ripped him up and down for continuing to vote for conservative policy priorities.

00:00:50.000 Here's the Twitter take.

00:01:02.000 Here's Alex Shepard in The New Republic.

00:01:19.000 This is the problem for the left.

00:01:21.000 They don't expect intellectual honesty from Republicans.

00:01:24.000 They expect submission.

00:01:25.000 They want Republicans not merely to criticize obvious moral failings within the party, or buck Trump on policy heresies.

00:01:31.000 They want Republicans to vote for Democratic priorities in order to fight Trump.

00:01:35.000 Which is pretty convenient, since they'd like Republicans to vote for Democratic priorities anyway.

00:01:39.000 If Trump were to push single-payer, would they applaud Republicans for voting it down?

00:01:43.000 This is one of the big reasons Trump actually won in 2016.

00:01:46.000 Republicans got tired of hearing that they must hold themselves to a higher standard when any standard other than complete surrender to Democrats is insufficient to Democrats.

00:01:54.000 Democrats could cheer Ted Kennedy and praise him as the conscience of the Senate.

00:01:57.000 Democrats could openly state that Bill Clinton's myriad moral monstrosities were just fine and dandy so long as he protected the killing of the unborn.

00:02:04.000 But Republicans are expected to condemn immoral behavior and abandon their own principles. 0.99

00:02:08.000 If not, they're hypocrites. 0.98

00:02:10.000 This should be a lesson for conservatives. 0.96

00:02:15.000 No matter how intellectually honest you are with regard to your own side, no matter what moral standard you hold them to, you will be castigated alongside those whose behavior you condemn if you share political priorities.

00:02:25.000 That's not an excuse to toss morality out the window, but it's certainly a reminder that the leftist priority here is not a more decent country, but a more leftist one.

00:02:33.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:02:33.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:02:41.000 Is this real life?

00:02:42.000 Is this just fantasy?

00:02:44.000 He was just a poor boy.

00:02:45.000 Nobody loved him.

00:02:47.000 Anthony Scaramucci hits the skids.

00:02:49.000 He is out of the White House, and I am hardest hit.

00:02:52.000 I mean, normally, the New York Times says things like, world to end tomorrow, blacks and women hardest hit.

00:02:56.000 Well, Anthony Scaramucci out of the White House, Ben Shapiro show hardest hit, because we love that, dude.

00:03:00.000 I am so sad.

00:03:01.000 It does make you question the presence of a benevolent God in the universe.

00:03:04.000 We're fasting, and today's a Jewish fast, the most solemn day on the Jewish calendar.

00:03:07.000 It is Tisha B'Av.

00:03:09.000 We'll talk about that a little bit later.

00:03:10.000 But I'm also quasi-fasting for the ouster of Anthony Scaramucci.

00:03:14.000 I just can't believe it.

00:03:15.000 In fact,

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00:04:36.000 Okay, so, in just a few minutes we're going to be having on Dinesh D'Souza.

00:04:39.000 He has a brand new book out that's already climbing the bestseller charts, The Big Lie.

00:04:42.000 So we'll have him on in just a minute.

00:04:43.000 But first, I would be remiss if I did not pay tribute to my favorite member of the Trump administration so far.

00:04:48.000 I'm really angry at the writers on this season of Trump.

00:04:51.000 I'm really upset with the writers on this season of Trump because

00:04:53.000 I have to say, this season of Trump, like, if you're gonna set up the Fonz, you have to keep him around for a few seasons before you cap him.

00:04:58.000 I mean, you can't have the Red Wedding unless you have three seasons of Rob.

00:05:02.000 I mean, you can't do this, guys. 0.91

00:05:04.000 But, you know, in honor of Anthony Scaramucci, I just want to take a moment of silence, in memoriam, Anthony Scaramucci, the mooch, July 21st to 2017, July 31st to 2017, his epitaph, I'm not trying to suck my own bleep.

00:05:17.000 Anthony Scaramucci, a moment of silence, folks.

00:05:21.000 Okay, well that's over. 0.94

00:05:22.000 So, the Mooch is now out, and it's all hilarious and ridiculous. 1.00

00:05:28.000 I was trying to search for ways that this was done.

00:05:30.000 There were stories yesterday that the Mooch was ousted by John Kelly, who's the new chief of staff, that he came in, he was sick of the Mooch, the Mooch wanted direct access to Trump, and John Kelly basically took him out. 1.00

00:05:42.000 And it looked a little bit like this from Braveheart.

00:05:44.000 In this particular scene from Braveheart, you will be seeing

00:05:48.000 The part of King Edward Longshanks being played by John Kelly and the part of Anthony Scaramucci being played by random advisor to the prince.

00:05:58.000 It does not go well for Anthony Scaramucci.

00:06:03.000 Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?

00:06:10.000 I have declared Philip my High Counselor.

00:06:12.000 Is he qualified?

00:06:14.000 I am skilled in the arts of war and military tactics, sir.

00:06:19.000 Are you?

00:06:22.000 Then tell me, what advice would you offer on the present situation?

00:06:33.000 Poor Mooch. 1.00

00:06:34.000 There he goes.

00:06:38.000 Well, that's too bad.

00:06:40.000 You know, there goes the mooch. 1.00

00:06:42.000 John Kelly's taking control.

00:06:44.000 The other one that it reminded me of was the scene, obviously, from The Godfather.

00:06:49.000 John Kelly left the gun, took the cannoli.

00:07:03.000 Leave the gun. 0.94

00:07:05.000 Take the cannoli.

00:07:14.000 So legitimately, yesterday at the White House, the mooch is gone. 1.00

00:07:17.000 I'm really upset about this because the mooch was just wildly entertaining. 1.00

00:07:21.000 I would never run out of material if the mooch had stuck around. 1.00

00:07:24.000 Understand that in the space of ten days, he was hired by Trump, he got Sean Spicer fired, his wife left him, and then he was fired.

00:07:33.000 Okay, that's the life of a fruit fly right there.

00:07:35.000 That's not even like a human life, right?

00:07:37.000 It's just amazing.

00:07:38.000 So yesterday, after he was fired, this shot was taken outside the White House.

00:07:42.000 This is not a joke.

00:07:43.000 Okay, this is an actual shot outside the White House.

00:07:45.000 A couple of security guards taking a skeleton, wheeling a skeleton outside the White House.

00:07:52.000 And so everybody, of course, is saying, well, there goes the mooch. 1.00

00:07:55.000 It's just really sad.

00:07:57.000 There are a bunch of funny memes that were going around.

00:07:59.000 There was one that was going around.

00:08:00.000 Kate Hudson actually tweeted out how to lose a guy in 10 days, and it was a picture of Trump and Scaramucci.

00:08:07.000 The good news for Scaramucci, of course, is that his tenure at the White House lasted about five times longer.

00:08:12.000 This is actually in a cartoon embodiment of Scaramucci's tenure at the White House.

00:08:27.000 And there he goes.

00:08:28.000 So, what's hilarious about all this is that the only reason that this happened is the blowback was so strong that eventually Trump felt like he had to do something.

00:08:36.000 It is really funny to watch the members of the Trump administration get fired and then the various excuses that are given for their firing.

00:08:41.000 So Sarah Huckabee Sanders, she's trying to explain why Scaramucci was ousted yesterday.

00:08:47.000 I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you believe this explanation for why Anthony Scaramucci was let go.

00:08:54.000 Scaramucci said that he had a direct line of communication with the President.

00:08:59.000 There's been some speculation that General Kelly may try to tighten up the number of inputs that the President has.

00:09:05.000 So was it something about the chain of command, or did it have anything to do with that interview with Scaramucci?

00:09:11.000 Look, the President certainly felt that Anthony's comments

00:09:15.000 We're good to go.

00:09:36.000 Okay, so a couple of things here. 1.00

00:09:39.000 Number one, if you truly believe that Trump was shocked and appalled by Anthony Scaramucci's language, you are so dumb. 1.00

00:09:44.000 I can't even express to you how stupid you are if you believe that. 1.00

00:09:47.000 Okay, Donald Trump loves that stuff. 1.00

00:09:49.000 He loves that stuff.

00:09:50.000 He spent the entire campaign saying that kind of stuff. 0.97

00:09:53.000 That's just, that's just silly.

00:09:54.000 So, you can say that they wanted to bring in Kelly, Kelly wanted a fresh start, and Kelly wanted the guy out because of all of this, but to say that Trump was just offended by his language, I mean, honest to goodness, Trump being offended by his language, that's, that's like saying that George Carlin was offended by his language. 0.88

00:10:09.000 That's just, no, no, that's just, that's just silly.

00:10:12.000 By the way, it's good, in my view, for the administration that Scaramucci is gone.

00:10:16.000 Pat Buchanan feels the same way.

00:10:18.000 Buchanan's a fan of the administration.

00:10:19.000 He says that he's glad that they got rid of Scaramucci.

00:10:21.000 What happened was the General came in, General Kelly, and he basically was ruined by what Scaramucci said and the way he said it and what he said about his colleagues.

00:10:32.000 This is not the kind of operation or individual that the General wants in his operation.

00:10:37.000 And he exercised immediate and swift and decisive command and got rid of an individual.

00:10:43.000 And it sends a message, I think, out to the country that you have a man in charge who is the Chief of Staff.

00:10:51.000 Who does decide on people who are even those close to the President of the United States?

00:10:55.000 Right, okay, so this is the new pivot, right?

00:10:57.000 Kelly is the new pivot, and Kelly offing Scaramucci is the way that Trump is now going to reestablish control over his administration.

00:11:04.000 So I'm going to talk about the ramifications of that in a little bit, because I wonder whether it's true or not, and what Trump is going to actually have to do.

00:11:11.000 In order for this to succeed.

00:11:12.000 But before we do any of that, I first want to bring on a friend of the program, obviously best-selling author, the creator of some of the most successful documentaries in American history, author of the number one New York Times bestseller, Hillary's America, and now author of the brand new book, The Big Lie, exposing the Nazi roots of the American left, Dinesh D'Souza.

00:11:29.000 Dinesh, thanks so much for joining the show.

00:11:30.000 Appreciate it.

00:11:31.000 Hey, Ben.

00:11:32.000 It's a pleasure.

00:11:32.000 Good to be on the show.

00:11:33.000 So I just want to jump right into the book, because I think that there's a lot of material in there that's vital for people to know.

00:11:39.000 The left is constantly suggesting that folks on the right are Nazis, and we've seen them use this as an excuse for punching people.

00:11:44.000 We've seen them use this as an excuse for opposing politicians they don't like.

00:11:47.000 But essentially, you make the contention in your book, The Big Lie Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left, that the American left is significantly more tied to Nazism, to National Socialism, than the American right.

00:11:58.000 So what's the basic case for that?

00:12:01.000 Well, I'm making a contemporary case that is sitting on top of a historical case.

00:12:06.000 And the contemporary case is very simple.

00:12:08.000 That fascism at its core is the ideology of the centralized state.

00:12:15.000 Mussolini put it very well when he said, nothing outside the state.

00:12:19.000 The individual is in a sense subordinate to a collective power.

00:12:24.000 Well, that doesn't sound like modern American conservatism.

00:12:27.000 It sounds a lot more like the ideology of the progressive left.

00:12:31.000 Second, fascist tactics.

00:12:34.000 Now, if we go and watch these Antifa guys, the so-called anti-fascists, they wear costumes, they wear masks and hoods, they carry weapons, they not only block people and burn things and use violence,

00:12:49.000 But they use intimidation.

00:12:50.000 They're trying to terrorize people into submission and into silence.

00:12:54.000 They're trying to control the debate in the public square and on campus.

00:12:59.000 Now, does this sound like fascists?

00:13:01.000 This sounds a lot like Hitler's brown shirts or Mussolini's black shirts, with the only difference being that the old fascists admitted who they were, and the new fascists are posing as anti-fascists.

00:13:13.000 Dinesh, some of what seems to me to be the problem in terms of the political lexicon is that European politics and American politics are completely dissimilar.

00:13:20.000 And so the Nazis may have been right-wing in comparison to the communists, but that doesn't mean that they're right-wing in comparison to American conservatives.

00:13:27.000 They're far left in comparison to American conservatives.

00:13:30.000 And you would see members of the conservative parties in Germany, people like von Papen,

00:13:35.000 People like Hindenburg, all these members of the so-called conservative parties in Germany who were largely in favor of big government opposing the communists and supporting Hitler's regime.

00:13:45.000 And so a lot of people have translated that over to say, okay, well, American conservatism and German conservatism circa 1932 are exactly the same.

00:13:51.000 But as you make clear in the book, that's not really the case at all.

00:13:55.000 Yeah, I think we have to back up a little further because the first fascist regime in the world was not Hitler, it was Mussolini.

00:14:02.000 Mussolini, in a sense, was the founder of fascism as a political phenomenon.

00:14:07.000 Mussolini was a lifelong Marxist, he was a socialist, and his fascism grew out of that.

00:14:14.000 In other words, Mussolini saw that the prophecies of Marx were not coming true.

00:14:19.000 And he thought that part of the reason for that is that people's loyalty wasn't just based on class, it was also based on their love of nation.

00:14:27.000 And so Mussolini began to marry the concepts of nationalism with socialism, creating, if you will, National Socialism.

00:14:34.000 Later, of course, Hitler called himself a National Socialist.

00:14:38.000 Now, what's remarkable is that now, when we look back at all that, the left has performed a kind of sleight of hand.

00:14:44.000 They've taken the socialism out of national socialism.

00:14:47.000 They've forgotten that these phenomena were on the left, and they've sort of moved them into the right-wing column, where they can conveniently use it to bash Republicans, conservatives, and Christians.

00:14:58.000 Now, Dinesh, in your book, The Big Lie, obviously the big question the Democrats are going to be asking is a question they asked to Jonah Goldberg when liberal fascism came out, which is, are you really suggesting that today's Democratic Party are genocidal monsters who want to commit holocaust?

00:15:10.000 Because there is this sort of rule on the internet, Godwin's Law, that whoever invokes the Nazis first loses the argument.

00:15:16.000 Now, there's no question the left has invoked the Nazis first.

00:15:18.000 I mean, they keep saying that Donald Trump

00:15:20.000 Is some sort of Hitlerian proto-fascist, but you know the the question is going to be when you say that the the Nazi roots of the American left exist Are you suggesting that the left is okay with the Holocaust? 0.60

00:15:31.000 Are you suggesting that the modern left would be okay with the Holocaust? 0.95

00:15:34.000 What's it?

00:15:34.000 What's the well?

00:15:35.000 How do you take on that particular issue?

00:15:38.000 You know, after World War II, fascism and Nazism became ineradically stained with the reputation of Holocaust, with Auschwitz and so on.

00:15:47.000 And we look at those things now in that way, it's almost difficult for us to understand why anybody would be a fascist.

00:15:54.000 Given that this is what fascists did.

00:15:56.000 Let's remember that that's not how fascism was perceived in Italy in the 20s or in Germany in the 30s.

00:16:03.000 And so part of what I try to do is recover that original meaning of fascism and of Nazism.

00:16:10.000 Even the left, when they say that Trump is a Nazi, they're not saying that Trump has started a world war and killed six million Jews.

00:16:16.000 What they're saying is that Trump resembles Hitler circa 1933.

00:16:21.000 In other words, Hitler was a demagogue who promised the restoration of Germany. 0.76

00:16:24.000 Trump is promising to make America great again.

00:16:27.000 We're really arguing about fascism in its sort of original or germinal phase.

00:16:33.000 Now, what I'm saying is that there is a whole history of progressivism and of the Democratic Party being in bed with fascism and even early Nazism that was covered up after World War II, and I bring all that secret history to light in the book.

00:16:47.000 And the book, again, is The Big Lie, Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left. 0.81

00:16:51.000 Dinesh, last question for you, because I know that you have a really busy schedule today.

00:16:54.000 The book was just released yesterday.

00:16:56.000 So what do you hope to accomplish with the book?

00:16:57.000 Because obviously the left is going to claim that you're just trying to pander to the base and that you're trying to sell books by

00:17:02.000 By using inflammatory language, but what's your goal here?

00:17:06.000 Well, my goal in Hillary's America, the previous book and movie, was to take away the race card from the left, which I felt that they were playing illegitimately against people, us, who are not racist.

00:17:17.000 And here I want to take away the fascism card, and not just take it away, but expose a whole facet of American history that has, you may say, been swept under the rug.

00:17:27.000 I think if people recognize that fascism is truly a phenomenon of the left and not of the right, my book will have done its work.

00:17:33.000 The book, again, is The Big Lie, Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left. 0.85

00:17:37.000 It came out yesterday.

00:17:38.000 It's already soaring up the Amazon bestseller list.

00:17:40.000 Let's make it a New York Times bestseller as well.

00:17:42.000 Dinesh, really enjoying the book.

00:17:44.000 I'm in the middle of it right now.

00:17:45.000 And thanks for all the great work that you're doing out there.

00:17:47.000 Appreciate it.

00:17:48.000 My pleasure.

00:17:51.000 Before we go any further, I want to discuss the ramifications of the Scaramucci ouster and what's going to happen next with Kelly, and I want to give you the recap on the debate that I did with Cenk Uygur on Sunday, as well as I want to talk about a couple of major stories that are breaking inside the Trump administration.

00:18:06.000 Plus, I want to analyze that it's Tisha B'Av, right? 0.98

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00:19:56.000 Okay, so a couple of notes on the Kelly Ouster of Scaramucci.

00:20:00.000 So people are treating this as though this is the beginning of the Trump pivot, right?

00:20:03.000 Kelly is coming in.

00:20:04.000 Kelly's a four-star general.

00:20:05.000 He is going to take control.

00:20:06.000 We talked about this a little bit yesterday.

00:20:08.000 And him firing Scaramucci is obviously the sign that now someone who's an adult is in charge.

00:20:14.000 There is one problem with this logic, and that is this.

00:20:16.000 John Kelly is now in an unenviable catch-22.

00:20:19.000 We have seen President Trump operate throughout his campaign.

00:20:22.000 And in his campaign, we saw multiple quote-unquote pivot points, right?

00:20:26.000 We saw Manafort was going to come in, take over for Corey Lewandowski.

00:20:28.000 This was going to be the adult in the room.

00:20:30.000 Then Manafort was ousted, and Bannon came in, and he was going to be the adult in the room.

00:20:33.000 And Kellyanne Conway was going to be the adult in the room.

00:20:35.000 And then after the admin—and then they picked Mike Pence, and he was going to be the adult in the room.

00:20:39.000 And then they were going to bring in General Mattis, and General Mattis was going to be the adult in the room.

00:20:44.000 Now, there is a difference between some of these people, right?

00:20:45.000 So Mattis obviously is the adult in the room on defense, but he's not in the White House next to Trump every day.

00:20:51.000 And the same thing is true with some of the other members of the administration who are doing fine jobs.

00:20:56.000 If you're not in Trump's immediate purview and your job isn't to control Trump, then you can do a great job, right?

00:21:01.000 You can be off to the side doing a wonderful job.

00:21:03.000 If, however, your job is to is to militate against Trump's

00:21:08.000 Obvious volatility.

00:21:09.000 If that is your job, you are in a catch-22. 0.98

00:21:11.000 Because if you actually solidify Trump, if you actually get Trump to calm down, if you get him to stop tweeting stupid crap and attacking his Attorney General, if you get him to start pursuing legislation instead of saying random things, then one of two things is going to happen. 0.94

00:21:26.000 Either Trump is going to settle down, ha ha ha, or you're going to be covered in the media as the guy who got Trump to settle down. 0.96

00:21:33.000 Right?

00:21:33.000 The media is always going to treat Trump like he's a zoo animal.

00:21:36.000 And so if you are the person who tamed the lion, what happens?

00:21:38.000 Your face ends up on the cover of Time Magazine, just like Steve Bannon.

00:21:42.000 And what happened after Bannon's face was on the cover of Time Magazine?

00:21:44.000 Trump got pissed at him, began to marginalize him, because obviously it was Bannon in control and not Trump.

00:21:49.000 We got a lot of President Bannon talk.

00:21:51.000 Well, now you're going to get a lot of President Kelly talk.

00:21:53.000 Right?

00:21:53.000 There's a headline from The Onion that Alaa Pundit over at Hot Air took note of.

00:21:57.000 This headline over at The Onion said, U.S.

00:22:00.000 forces take control of Oval Office.

00:22:02.000 Right?

00:22:03.000 The idea being that Kelly, it's supposed to be funny, right?

00:22:05.000 U.S.

00:22:05.000 military occupation of the Oval Office.

00:22:07.000 But this is going to be the headline.

00:22:08.000 If things calm down now, who's going to get the credit?

00:22:11.000 Is it going to be Trump?

00:22:12.000 No.

00:22:13.000 And Trump, unlike Harry Truman, you know, unlike Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman said, the buck stops here.

00:22:18.000 Ronald Reagan said, you can go, you can get incredibly far when it doesn't matter to you who takes the credit.

00:22:23.000 Trump only cares about who takes the credit.

00:22:24.000 So if Kelly starts getting credit for calming him down, then Trump is going to get angry at Kelly.

00:22:29.000 He's going to lash out at Kelly.

00:22:30.000 This is what he does.

00:22:32.000 And if Kelly doesn't calm him down, then nothing has really been accomplished here.

00:22:35.000 And it's going to look like even John Kelly, a four-star general, wasn't able to get Trump under control.

00:22:39.000 I mean, people are grasping at straws here.

00:22:41.000 There's really an attempt, I think, to paint this as another Trump pivot.

00:22:44.000 People are saying, well, at least Trump isn't tweeting yet.

00:22:47.000 Guys, it's been like 10 hours.

00:22:50.000 It's been like 10 hours.

00:22:50.000 I mean, if our standards are this low, then we should really think about whether we need to raise our standards a little bit.

00:22:57.000 It's just not... not particularly smart.

00:23:02.000 Like, let's wait on this.

00:23:03.000 Let's find out whether Kelly can get it.

00:23:05.000 Listen, I hope and pray Kelly can get this under control.

00:23:07.000 Again, you have a Republican president with a Republican House and a Republican Senate.

00:23:10.000 Things should be happening. 0.99

00:23:12.000 That's only going to happen if Trump gets his crap under control. 0.99

00:23:15.000 And the only way that's going to happen is if he starts listening to the people around him. 0.99

00:23:18.000 Already you can see that the pressure is starting.

00:23:20.000 Ivanka Trump tweeted out this morning, we look forward to working alongside General Kelly.

00:23:25.000 Not we look forward to... I'm really excited that he's his chief of staff and we're all going to work for him, right?

00:23:31.000 The line was, as you saw from Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Pat Buchanan, that everything was now going to run through Kelly.

00:23:38.000 Early in February, there was a report from Vanity Fair that everything was going to run through Reince Priebus.

00:23:43.000 How well did that work out?

00:23:45.000 If Ivanka and Jared decide to walk in the Oval Office, John Kelly is not going to be able to stop them and Trump is not going to stop them.

00:23:50.000 So I think that it's important to recognize that when there are gaps in policy, not everything is going to go smoothly.

00:23:55.000 So we should just keep that in mind before we start celebrating and thinking that all the chaos is past.

00:24:00.000 Okay, meanwhile, some of the chaos, I hope, is passed, because there's another story that came out yesterday that is completely wild from CNN.

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00:25:50.000 Okay, so the reason that we hope that Kelly comes in and provides some solidity is because this is just a hysterically amazing story.

00:25:58.000 It is from CNN.

00:25:59.000 A self-described email prankster in the UK fooled a number of White House officials into thinking he was other officials, including an episode where he convinced the White House official tasked with cybersecurity that he was Jared Kushner and received that official's private email address unsolicited.

00:26:14.000 Tom, we are arranging a bit of a soiree toward the end of August.

00:26:16.000 Fake Jared Kushner wrote on an Outlook account to the official White House email address of Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert, it would be great if you could make it.

00:26:24.000 I promise food of at least comparable quality to which we ate in Iraq.

00:26:26.000 Should be a great evening.

00:26:27.000 Bossert wrote back, thanks Jared, with a promise like that I can't refuse.

00:26:30.000 Also, if you ever need it, my personal email is... and then he gave his personal email.

00:26:35.000 The best thing, however, is that he pretended to be Sean Spicer in an email exchange with Anthony Scaramucci.

00:26:41.000 And this is just impressively incredible.

00:26:44.000 Masquerading as Ryan's prebis, the prankster emailed Scaramucci's official account using a mail.com account on Saturday, the day after Prebis's resignation was announced.

00:26:56.000 Quote, I promised myself I would leave my hands mud-free, wrote fake Prebis, but after reading your tweet today, which stated, how soon we will learn who in the media has class and who hasn't, has pushed me to this. 0.82

00:27:06.000 That tweet was breathtakingly hypocritical, even for you.

00:27:09.000 And then Scaramucci, very real Scaramucci, replied, you know what you did. 0.96

00:27:12.000 We all do, even today.

00:27:13.000 But rest assured, we were prepared.

00:27:15.000 A man would apologize.

00:27:17.000 Fake Previous wrote back, I can't believe you're questioning my ethics.

00:27:19.000 The so-called mooch, who can't even manage his first week in the White House without leaving upset in his wake. 1.00

00:27:23.000 I have nothing to apologize for.

00:27:25.000 Scaramucci replied, read Shakespeare, particularly Othello.

00:27:28.000 You are right there.

00:27:29.000 My family is fine, by the way, and will thrive.

00:27:31.000 I know what you did.

00:27:32.000 No more replies from me.

00:27:34.000 Also, he pretended to be the ambassador to Russia designate John Huntsman, and he wrote to Scaramucci, whose head should roll first, meaning Bannon or Priebus.

00:27:44.000 And real Scaramucci wrote back both of them.

00:27:48.000 This is all written to just a prankster who used their public government email address and wrote to them pretending to be another government official.

00:27:55.000 Just amazing stuff.

00:27:56.000 Guys, please, for the love of God, get better at this.

00:28:00.000 I am very fearful that you're going to write an email to another member of the Trump administration.

00:28:04.000 They're going to actually give you the nuclear launch codes.

00:28:06.000 Like, you must get better at this.

00:28:08.000 Also worth noting, when the head of cyber security is handing out his personal email address, I seem to remember, this is not a good idea, I seem to remember like a three year long scandal because a particular lady who ran in the Democratic Party was using a private email address and private email server for political business.

00:28:24.000 Don't do this, people.

00:28:25.000 Please don't do this.

00:28:26.000 John Kelly, please, please take control.

00:28:29.000 For the love of God, please take control.

00:28:31.000 I beg of you, please do it.

00:28:34.000 Another bad story out of the White House today.

00:28:35.000 I don't want it to all be bad news, because I think, I hope that John Kelly's going to take control.

00:28:39.000 There's a lawsuit that's out today.

00:28:41.000 You don't know who to trust in this sort of thing, the lawsuits all the time.

00:28:44.000 But now there is a lawsuit that is suggesting, the plaintiff is Rod Wheeler, who's a Fox News contributor, former homicide investigator, and he is now claiming that President Trump himself worked with Fox News and a wealthy Republican donor to push the Seth Rich murder story.

00:28:59.000 I hope that isn't true, because if so, that's really gross.

00:29:01.000 But we'll give you more information if more information breaks on that score.

00:29:05.000 Okay, so, for those of you who weren't able to actually come out to my debate with Cenk Uygur, I thought it was a great event.

00:29:13.000 3,000 people showed up for the event.

00:29:14.000 They had to move the venue because so many people showed up.

00:29:16.000 About 2,000 people were fans of the show, fans of mine.

00:29:19.000 Which is really fun and unexpected.

00:29:21.000 In the past, debates including Cenk have really been Cenk's army outnumbering whoever the conservative is.

00:29:27.000 People like Dinesh, people like Ann Coulter.

00:29:29.000 But I thought the debate was actually really substantive.

00:29:31.000 I was not expecting it to be substantive.

00:29:32.000 To be completely honest with you, I was expecting it to look a lot more like Cenk's debate with Ann or Dinesh, where it turned into a slap fight, where it was really Cenk taking some piece that

00:29:44.000 Someone wrote ten years ago, using it out of context, and then turning to the crowd and calling them racist.

00:29:48.000 That actually didn't happen.

00:29:49.000 It turned out to be a pretty substantive debate.

00:29:51.000 I wanted to give you some of the highlights in case you weren't able to see it.

00:29:53.000 You can watch the whole thing on YouTube.

00:29:55.000 It was trending all day on YouTube yesterday.

00:29:56.000 It's trending all day on YouTube today.

00:29:58.000 Hundreds of thousands of hits.

00:29:59.000 Millions of hits, actually, at this point when you aggregate them for this debate, which I thought was really an important debate.

00:30:04.000 An actually useful, important debate.

00:30:05.000 We talk about healthcare and taxes.

00:30:07.000 Here are just a few of, I thought, the best moments for me.

00:30:09.000 Uh, and, uh, here is, uh, my explanation of capitalism.

00:30:12.000 Cenk had contended that Keynesianism was the- was the best possible solution to making economic prosperity happen.

00:30:20.000 Here was me debunking that.

00:30:21.000 Uh, the- the problem with Keynesian economics is that it doesn't even work in theory because, again, once you go to the logical extreme, which is remove all of the money from the rich people who are saving all their money and give it to all the poor people to buy hamburgers, that doesn't help the economy or spur the economy.

00:30:34.000 What spurs the economy is a higher level- What?

00:30:41.000 What spurs the economy is the creation of new products and services, and that is only going to be done by people who have expendable capital to actually invest in the new products and services that we all enjoy.

00:30:51.000 This is what creates economic growth.

00:30:56.000 It's also worth noting that this myth that spending is inherently better for an economy than saving, that's only true if you're talking about somebody who's actually taking the cash and just shoving it into their mattress.

00:31:05.000 Banks are in the business of lending.

00:31:07.000 When they take the money in, they don't just stick it in Al Gore's fake lockbox, they actually lend the money back out to people to actually create new businesses and new products.

00:31:15.000 You had an investor, right?

00:31:16.000 When you started TYT,

00:31:18.000 You were given $4 million by Buddy Romer to start TYT.

00:31:21.000 That's great.

00:31:21.000 That's the way business should work, right?

00:31:23.000 But that money didn't come from a bunch of poor people buying hamburgers.

00:31:25.000 It came from a very, very wealthy guy who gave you money to create a business a lot of people want to patronize.

00:31:30.000 If you want better products and better services, you need more investment in the products and services.

00:31:35.000 The basic name, trickle-down economics.

00:31:43.000 The basic name trickle-down economics is not something that any conservative even proposed.

00:31:47.000 It's a leftist revision of what economics actually is, because you're not giving me the money.

00:31:52.000 It was my money in the first place, created through voluntary transactions that I had with others.

00:31:56.000 I've not stolen money from anyone, neither have you.

00:31:59.000 And the idea that money has to be forcibly taken from you and handed to somebody at the bottom end of the economic spectrum to somehow jog the economy that may jog McDonald's but is not going to jog all of the creation of the products and services that make all of our lives much better today than they were 30 years ago in terms of the stuff we have access to.

00:32:17.000 So as I say, I think that it was a really substantive, interesting debate.

00:32:20.000 I wanted to make a few notes about Medicare because Cenk was talking a lot about Medicare in this debate.

00:32:23.000 He talked a lot about the glories of Medicare and how popular it was.

00:32:26.000 Just because a program is popular doesn't mean the program is actually good.

00:32:29.000 I talked about the cost of Medicare.

00:32:30.000 There's a $43 trillion outstanding debt on Medicare.

00:32:34.000 That's how much money it's going to cost the United States.

00:32:37.000 According to a columnist over at National Review, I want to get his name, Michael Tanner.

00:32:41.000 He gives some good statistics on all of this.

00:32:44.000 He points out that not only is there $60 billion of fraud and improper payments in Medicare per year, but right now, if somebody pays into Medicare, Chen kept saying you pay into Medicare and you get out of Medicare.

00:32:55.000 What you pay into Medicare is not what you get out of Medicare.

00:32:57.000 A married couple with two average earners turning 65 in 2020 will have paid about $150,000 in Medicare payroll taxes over their lifetime.

00:33:04.000 Given their life expectancy, they can expect to receive almost $500,000 in benefits.

00:33:08.000 That means that you're going to spend an enormous amount of money.

00:33:12.000 Beyond that,

00:33:12.000 Medicare is not actually doing that great a job because a lot of doctors are not accepting Medicare anymore.

00:33:20.000 They won't accept new Medicare patients because Medicare reimbursement rates are simply too low.

00:33:23.000 So just because there is Medicare doesn't mean that everybody takes Medicare, which is why a lot of people are forced to pay out-of-pocket.

00:33:29.000 It is also true that, according to this column, not only will this force even more physicians out of the program, according to the actuaries at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the combination of effects leads to roughly half of hospitals, 70% of skilled nursing facilities, and 90% of home health agencies losing money by 2040, which will lead to widespread closures.

00:33:48.000 You pay people too little money, and they're not going to actually succeed.

00:33:52.000 Also, the Journal of American Medical Association has found that for 16 of 40 standard indicators, Medicare patients received less

00:33:59.000 Recommended less care than two-thirds of the time.

00:34:03.000 Less care than recommended two-thirds of the time.

00:34:05.000 Other studies have shown that Medicare patients receive a lower quality of care than do similar patients with private health insurance.

00:34:11.000 A study in the Journal of Health Services found Medicare coverage at 65 for the previously uninsured is not linked to improvements in overall health status.

00:34:18.000 We've seen that with Medicaid as well.

00:34:19.000 There is no advantage to actually being on Medicaid in terms of life expectancy and health outcome.

00:34:25.000 So for all the talk about Medicare for all,

00:34:27.000 It costs a lot of money, and it ain't that effective, and it drives doctors out of the program.

00:34:30.000 It leads to rationing, by the way.

00:34:32.000 As I've said before, I don't believe that the government should be involved in healthcare.

00:34:35.000 Healthcare is an individual decision that you make, and there should be a social fabric that picks up the pieces for people who can't afford for themselves.

00:34:40.000 But, if you were to have some sort of program, the most effective program, in terms of health insurance, is the Swiss program, the Switzerland-mandated program, where you all buy health insurance, just like car insurance, but it's almost entirely privatized.

00:34:53.000 The problem there is that the number of people who are not able to get the insurance that they want to get is like 31%.

00:34:59.000 Because obviously, as I said in this debate, when it comes to health care, you can only have, when it comes to health insurance and health care, both of these things, well health care really, when it comes to health care, you can only have three things, right?

00:35:09.000 You have affordability, universality, quality.

00:35:12.000 You can have two of those three.

00:35:13.000 You cannot have all three.

00:35:15.000 Obamacare has created more universality, it has not created more quality, and it has not created more affordability.

00:35:20.000 And Chen kept saying, no, no, you can have it all.

00:35:21.000 You can have it cheap, you can have it effective, you can have it for everybody.

00:35:24.000 No, that's not true because there is no area in life where you can make something cheap and effective for everybody unless you have a free market system driving prices down and quality up.

00:35:32.000 Anytime you have a mandate, all that does is it drives the quality down and the prices up.

00:35:37.000 Which is exactly what's happened with Obamacare.

00:35:39.000 Other things from the debate that were fun, uh, there was, uh, Cenk's big thing is he doesn't like money in politics, and I was pointing out to him that money will always be in politics, and that's not a bad thing, considering that we spend lots of money here at the Daily Wire on bringing you political material.

00:35:52.000 Cenk spends a lot of money over at TYT bringing people political material.

00:35:55.000 Pretending that my $200 donation to a candidate is the same thing as Cenk spending millions of dollars to bring his particular political view to the public, which definitely forwards the agenda of particular politicians. 0.93

00:36:06.000 That's just silly.

00:36:07.000 Money is a form of speech. 0.68

00:36:09.000 We all know this because this is why we wouldn't allow the government to come in and shut down the New York Times on the grounds that, hey, after all, they're just spending money.

00:36:15.000 It isn't speech.

00:36:16.000 I made this point to Cenk in rather colorful fashion. 0.98

00:36:19.000 If the government is in the business of regulating business, what would be the problem with the government telling Buddy Romer he is not allowed to invest in your business?

00:36:26.000 No!

00:36:27.000 That has... No, no, those are two different issues.

00:36:29.000 No problem.

00:36:30.000 No, it's... One thing is to say, hey, let's set reasonable limitations on what can happen around elections, which is, again, what most developed Western countries do.

00:36:39.000 So... And they have different versions of that rule.

00:36:41.000 There's ads you can run... You can't run ads within a certain period of time.

00:36:45.000 You have public financing versus private financing.

00:36:47.000 Those are rules around an election.

00:36:49.000 That is a completely different issue than the government saying randomly you can and you can't invest in businesses.

00:36:55.000 So you're conflating those two issues that have nothing to do with one another?

00:36:59.000 Why?

00:37:00.000 So, let's just, uh, we're... What does why mean?

00:37:04.000 Hey, you know, you believe in education, so why do you believe in healthcare?

00:37:09.000 Because it's a free country and I get to spend my money wherever I damn well please.

00:37:16.000 And then finally, Cenk had said something.

00:37:18.000 He was trying to make the distinction between money and speech when it comes to politics.

00:37:22.000 And so he said, well, if money is just speech, then why isn't all money just speech?

00:37:27.000 Well, money for political speech is political speech.

00:37:29.000 Money on other things is not.

00:37:30.000 But in any case, he compared it to prostitution. 0.91

00:37:32.000 He said, well, if money is just speech, then why can't I just, you know, go spend money on a hooker and call it speech? 0.98

00:37:37.000 Here was my response.

00:37:38.000 When you say money in politics is bad, again I ask you, Buddy Romer gave you four million dollars to start TYT.

00:37:44.000 What did he expect in return?

00:37:46.000 Should he not have given you money?

00:37:46.000 Was the money not speech?

00:37:48.000 It was just money after all, it's just like a hooker I assume, so are you the prostitute? 1.00

00:37:50.000 How did this work? 0.99

00:37:56.000 Yeah, it got interesting.

00:37:57.000 So, if you missed the whole thing, then you can go and check it out on YouTube.

00:38:00.000 We also have it up on my Facebook page as well.

00:38:02.000 We are releasing clips of it too.

00:38:04.000 It was a lot of fun.

00:38:05.000 It's about an hour long, so it shouldn't take too much of your time.

00:38:07.000 But we'll be releasing some of the better clips from it as time progresses.

00:38:11.000 Okay.

00:38:11.000 Time for some things I like, and then some things I hate, and then I want to talk about Tisha B'Av, which is the Jewish fast day that we are participating in today.

00:38:19.000 So, things I like.

00:38:20.000 So, we have been paying tribute to Scaramucci.

00:38:22.000 I didn't know he was going to be fired yesterday, but we started our tribute to Scaramucci yesterday with Wall Street.

00:38:26.000 Today, I want to pay tribute to Scaramucci with another clip from a movie that is just very Scaramucci.

00:38:34.000 This, of course, would be the famed Harry Ellis from Die Hard, one of my favorite characters in film history.

00:38:41.000 Hope I'm not interrupting.

00:38:47.000 What does he want?

00:38:49.000 It's not what I want, it's what I can give you.

00:38:59.000 Look, let's be straight, okay? 0.98

00:39:02.000 It's obvious you're not some dumb schmuck up here to snatch a few purses, am I right? 0.99

00:39:06.000 You're very perceptive. 0.99

00:39:08.000 I watch 60 Minutes, I say to myself, these guys are professional, they're motivated, they're happening, i.e., they want something, huh?

00:39:16.000 Now personally, I couldn't care less about your politics.

00:39:19.000 Maybe you're pissed off at the camel jockeys, maybe it's the heebs, Northern Ireland, it's none of my business! 1.00

00:39:24.000 I figure you're here to negotiate, am I right?

00:39:26.000 You're amazing, you figured this all out already.

00:39:30.000 Business is business.

00:39:32.000 You use a gun, I use a fountain pen.

00:39:34.000 What's the difference?

00:39:35.000 Let's put it in my terms.

00:39:36.000 You're here in a hostile takeover, you grab us for some green meal, but you didn't expect some poison pill was gonna be running around in the building.

00:39:42.000 Am I right?

00:39:43.000 Hans!

00:39:45.000 Bobby!

00:39:46.000 I'm your white knight.

00:39:50.000 I must have missed 60 minutes.

00:39:52.000 What are you saying?

00:39:55.000 The guy upstairs is screwing things up, huh?

00:40:02.000 I can give him to you.

00:40:07.000 Yeah, so I've watched Die Hard and unfortunately what happens to the mooch in this movie is also what happened to the mooch politically. 1.00

00:40:13.000 So things go very poorly for him.

00:40:16.000 I wonder what happened to Hart Botchner. 1.00

00:40:17.000 Hart Botchner had a bit of a career being like a jerk. 0.98

00:40:20.000 He's in a great movie that I've recommended on the show before called Breaking Away. 0.99

00:40:25.000 He's the villain in that movie as well.

00:40:27.000 He's just terrific in it.

00:40:28.000 I'm not sure what he's been doing lately.

00:40:30.000 Apparently a lot of TV.

00:40:31.000 I'm looking up his IMDB right now.

00:40:32.000 Looks like a lot of TV stuff.

00:40:34.000 But he hasn't been in a lot of big stuff, really, since the 80s.

00:40:38.000 And he's starting to do a lot more TV in the last three or four years.

00:40:41.000 I miss you, Hart Botcher.

00:40:42.000 Come back and play the mooch. 1.00

00:40:44.000 I mean, come on.

00:40:45.000 It's the most obvious casting of all time.

00:40:46.000 He's probably a little old for the part now.

00:40:48.000 But fantastic in any case.

00:40:50.000 Okay.

00:40:50.000 Time for some things that I hate.

00:40:56.000 So, the first thing I hate is the Democrats, the left, they just can't stop, they can't stop with the comparisons that are actually insulting. 0.97

00:41:05.000 So, when I do all of this, it's all in love, it's all in fun, I mean this is all ridiculous. 0.98

00:41:10.000 The left 0.96

00:41:11.000 Treats Trump like he's an actual dictator.

00:41:13.000 As Dinesh said before, they tried to suggest that he's Hitlerian.

00:41:15.000 Chris Matthews, well that's a freeze frame for you.

00:41:17.000 Chris Matthews, alright, I'm gonna say, he's talking about Trump purging his administration.

00:41:22.000 It's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like the worst dictators in history, purging their administration. 0.92

00:41:26.000 Like taking people and shooting them. 0.99

00:41:28.000 Throwing them in a ditch. 1.00

00:41:29.000 Throwing them in the Tiber River. 0.99

00:41:30.000 Letting them wash up later all bloody and disgusting. 1.00

00:41:33.000 Trump, he's the worst! 1.00

00:41:34.000 It's Kim Jong-un! 0.98

00:41:35.000 Go! 0.95

00:41:36.000 With the regularity of the nightly news, President Trump is throwing bodies out of the White House at a rate that matches the Russian Revolution.

00:41:43.000 I think all this going around and purging people, just like Kim Jong-un, what is he doing?

00:41:48.000 Knocks off all his relatives when he gets scared?

00:41:50.000 When you get scared of your position, you start killing people around you.

00:41:52.000 We don't do that in this country. 0.92

00:41:53.000 We fire them.

00:41:54.000 Trump seems to know how to fire.

00:41:56.000 That's my argument. 1.00

00:41:57.000 My argument is he's a terrible person.

00:41:59.000 I get up in the morning, I look at my hair, it's all messed up, get a shoe, brush my hair with the shoe, feel better about myself, and then I start thinking, is he like Kim Jong-un? 0.71

00:42:07.000 Well, not really, but I'm gonna say it anyway, because come on, it's inflammatory, Mussolini, Hitler, Kim Jong-un, boo!

00:42:15.000 So, again, Democrats, you might want to just point out the fact that this is more incompetence than it is malevolence. 0.83

00:42:21.000 It's not like he brought in the mooch because he wanted to kill the mooch, okay? 1.00

00:42:24.000 He brought in the mooch because the mooch was wildly entertaining, and again, I am so sad about all of this. 1.00

00:42:28.000 I mean, you don't get rid of the Fonz before he can become your breakout character.

00:42:32.000 He was your Urkel.

00:42:32.000 He was your The Fonz.

00:42:33.000 You don't get rid of the breakout character, guys!

00:42:35.000 Come on! 0.61

00:42:37.000 Come on! 0.61

00:42:38.000 Okay, the other thing that I hate, Jeffrey Lord comes out and he says that when it comes to Trump, they're talking about how Trump spoke at this police academy, and he said something about how, you know, if you're putting people in a car and you don't put your hand on top of their head, that's okay, that's okay, they just killed somebody, you know, okay, whatever.

00:42:57.000 And people, oh, he's for police brutality.

00:43:00.000 I think Jeffrey Lord is right about this, but I want to make a point about what Jeffrey Lord says.

00:43:03.000 Jeffrey Lord says this is just Trump being a New Yorker.

00:43:05.000 I think this is actually correct.

00:43:07.000 Here's Lord.

00:43:08.000 I mean, I have to say, he's a New Yorker, standing in front of New Yorkers on Long Island.

00:43:13.000 My whole family's from there, that's the way they talk.

00:43:17.000 Okay, that's 100% true.

00:43:19.000 So I was in New York last week, and I was walking along the street, and there was a shirt that said, this is literally what the shirt said, and it was just in a store window.

00:43:27.000 F-U-U-F-F. 0.96

00:43:28.000 Right, that's what the shirt said.

00:43:30.000 And I thought, this could not be on sale anywhere else in the United States.

00:43:33.000 Like legitimately nowhere else in the United States would there be anyone who buys this shirt.

00:43:36.000 This shirt's probably a bestseller in New York.

00:43:38.000 And that's why Trump won.

00:43:39.000 He won because the rest of the United States takes his tough talk and his brash nonsense really seriously.

00:43:44.000 In New York, he's just a cab driver.

00:43:46.000 Everyone talks like Trump in New York.

00:43:48.000 Right, when people were doing the, well the mooch is copying Trump's hand motions with all this stuff. 0.99

00:43:52.000 No, the mooch is just from New York. 1.00

00:43:54.000 Okay, so people from New York talk like this, and that's why nobody from New York takes Trump all that seriously, but in the rest of the country, he uses this inflammatory language, and everybody goes, oh, he must mean it, because around here, when we see F-U-U-F-ing F, you must have, like, punched my sister in the face or something for me to say that.

00:44:07.000 No, in New York, that just means that you were standing in line in front of me and you didn't move up quickly enough in the line.

00:44:13.000 Right, so that's why it's not worthwhile taking Trump's rhetoric super seriously on the stuff like, ooh, he's calling for police brutality.

00:44:19.000 No, he's just a guy from New York.

00:44:21.000 Okay, so, today is, in fact, despite the show, today is in fact the most solemn day on the Jewish calendar.

00:44:26.000 It's why Jews have been fasting from last night to tonight. 1.00

00:44:30.000 No food, no water.

00:44:31.000 It's a real bag of laughs.

00:44:33.000 But Tisha B'Av, the reason that it is the most solemn day in the Jewish calendar, a bunch of bad things traditionally happened on Tisha B'Av to the Jewish people.

00:44:42.000 So in 1313 BCE, spies returned from the Promised Land and gave a bad report about the Promised Land.

00:44:47.000 In 423 BCE, the first temple was destroyed on the Temple Mount.

00:44:51.000 In 70 CE, the second temple was destroyed on the Temple Mount.

00:44:55.000 In 1492, the Jews were expelled from Spain.

00:44:57.000 So this date has some sort of particular cosmic significance, obviously, when it comes to God.

00:45:01.000 Now, I want to talk a little bit about what the significance of the day is, aside from bad things happened today to the Jews, so we commemorate that.

00:45:06.000 So, the typical lesson from Tisha B'Av, which means the 9th of Av. 0.56

00:45:10.000 It's the month of Av in the Jewish calendar.

00:45:12.000 It's, you know, Jesus would have celebrated the month of Av for Christians out there.

00:45:17.000 It's just how the Jewish calendar works.

00:45:18.000 It's the 9th of Av today.

00:45:20.000 The most famous story in the Talmud about this talks about why it was that the temple was destroyed.

00:45:25.000 So we don't tend to do this now.

00:45:26.000 Now when bad things happen, when world events happen, we tend not to attribute them to specific causes.

00:45:32.000 In the past, that was much more common.

00:45:33.000 If you read the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, the author, Gibbon, he goes out of his way to actually try and explain what the causes are for the fall of the Roman Empire.

00:45:42.000 We today, something bad happens and we don't go, what was the cause of that?

00:45:45.000 We just assume that it happened.

00:45:47.000 In Jewish philosophy, there's a thought which is that the Second Temple fell because of what we call sinat chinam, meaning unrooted hatred.

00:45:54.000 Just hatred for no reason.

00:45:55.000 And there's a story about what that meant in the times of the Talmud.

00:45:58.000 It's an apocryphal story, but it's kind of informative.

00:46:01.000 So, the story goes like this.

00:46:02.000 There was a banquet in Jerusalem at the time of the Second Temple.

00:46:06.000 And there was a very rich, wealthy guy who had an enemy whose name was Bar Kamsa.

00:46:11.000 He also had a friend whose name was Kamsa.

00:46:14.000 He had this big feast, and he wanted to invite Kamsa, his friend.

00:46:17.000 Instead, he invited Barkhamsa by accident.

00:46:19.000 His messenger went to the wrong guy, went to Barkhamsa, and Barkhamsa shows up at this feast, thinking, okay, we're going to make nice now.

00:46:26.000 Barkhamsa sits down, he starts eating.

00:46:29.000 And the guy who's throwing the feast comes up to him and says, what the hell are you doing here?

00:46:32.000 I don't want you here. 1.00

00:46:32.000 You're a jerk. 1.00

00:46:34.000 And Barcom says, listen, you know, now you're... there are lots of people here. 1.00

00:46:37.000 I don't want to be humiliated.

00:46:38.000 You throwing me out of here.

00:46:39.000 I'll pay for my own meal.

00:46:40.000 Like, I'll give you money.

00:46:41.000 I'll get to stay here.

00:46:42.000 What's the, you know, what's the problem?

00:46:44.000 And the guy says, no, I want you out of here forthwith.

00:46:47.000 Bar Kamsa was so angry about this, and so angry that there were a bunch of rabbis there who didn't actually do anything, that he immediately went to the Romans and apparently gave them security information about the way that the Jewish rebellion, the way that the Jewish rule was working, and then supposedly gave them the impetus to come in and destroy the temple and disperse the Jewish people.

00:47:06.000 That's the story.

00:47:07.000 It's apocryphal, right?

00:47:08.000 I mean, there's not a lot of historic evidence that's the way that it happened, but that is the story, the way that it happens in the Talmud.

00:47:13.000 So what does that mean?

00:47:14.000 That doesn't seem like baseless hatred, right?

00:47:16.000 It seems like Bar Kampsa has a pretty solid case that something bad happened to him.

00:47:20.000 But here, I think, is the point of that particular story.

00:47:23.000 And we should take it to heart because it has some impact on politics in the United States and for Western civilization.

00:47:28.000 And that is, baseless hatred is about you attributing motives to people that you don't actually know.

00:47:34.000 That's what baseless hatred is.

00:47:35.000 Because if you know what somebody's motive is, then you have a good reason to hate them.

00:47:38.000 If they did something wrong to you, you hate them.

00:47:40.000 That seems not like Sina Adchinam.

00:47:42.000 It seems just like Sina.

00:47:43.000 It just seems like anger and hatred.

00:47:45.000 But the point here is this.

00:47:48.000 This guy was so angry at the person who wronged him that he decided the entire society had to pay.

00:47:53.000 Society at large was responsible for the sins of this one man.

00:47:57.000 And therefore society at large had to pay.

00:47:58.000 The system was corrupt and bad things wouldn't happen in a non-corrupt system.

00:48:02.000 Therefore the system had to be torn down.

00:48:04.000 This is always the danger to systems of thought.

00:48:07.000 It's the danger to Judaism. 1.00

00:48:08.000 It's the danger to Christianity. 0.99

00:48:09.000 People do this all the time.

00:48:10.000 They see an Orthodox Jew who does bad things, and they say, well, he's a bad guy. 0.91

00:48:13.000 Therefore, Orthodox Judaism must be false. 0.99

00:48:15.000 They do it to Christians all the time. 1.00

00:48:17.000 That guy says he's a Christian, but did you see what happened to those priests in the Catholic Church? 0.98

00:48:21.000 Christianity must be complete nonsense if people can do stuff like that. 1.00

00:48:24.000 You can't attribute to a system the actions of an individual. 0.96

00:48:27.000 People do this with America all the time.

00:48:28.000 Individual act of racism. 0.98

00:48:29.000 It's because America is racist. 0.98

00:48:31.000 Therefore, America must be destroyed and replaced by something better. 0.99

00:48:35.000 That destroys the temple.

00:48:36.000 That destroys the temple.

00:48:37.000 The idea the temple can still be pure, even if people who visit the temple, or participate in services at the temple, or give money to the temple, are not.

00:48:45.000 And we need to identify individual sins for what they are, rather than attributing to a broader society the motivations of the sin.

00:48:53.000 If we don't do that, we are engaging in baseless hatred, not only against one another, but against the society at large, and that's what tears down civilization.

00:48:59.000 Okay, so I will spend the rest of the day in fasting and prayer, which is one of the things that we do, and I hope that you have a more enjoyable day than we will.

00:49:08.000 And we will be back tomorrow to discuss all the latest in the ongoing circus that is American politics.

00:49:12.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:49:13.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - August 01, 2017

The Legend Of The Mooch | Ep. 352

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