The Ben Shapiro Show - The Man In The Cloth Mask | Ep. 1019

00:00:00.000 America begins to reopen amid good coronavirus news.

00:00:03.000 Joe Biden decides that masking is, in fact, his campaign strategy.

00:00:06.000 And President Trump goes at it with Twitter.

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00:01:38.000 Okay, so we have a lot of good news on coronavirus.

00:01:41.000 And we actually do.

00:01:42.000 So, first piece of good news.

00:01:44.000 I mean, it doesn't sound like good news, but it is.

00:01:45.000 The total of the US virus deaths has been under 700 nationwide for the third straight day.

00:01:50.000 To put this in contrast, when we were at our height, we were close to 3,000 a day.

00:01:53.000 We were losing close to 3,000 people a day.

00:01:55.000 We are now down to under 700.

00:01:57.000 And to put that even more into contrast, The number of Americans who die on a normal day is about 7,500 Americans dying on a normal day.

00:02:04.000 So, with COVID-19, during the heat of this thing, when it was really just running roughshod through New York, you were increasing the death rate across the country by something like one-third.

00:02:15.000 I mean, it was an insane level.

00:02:16.000 And you were seeing in New York, specifically, people dying at a rate of like four to five times what they were normally dying of in New York.

00:02:23.000 700 people a day dying across the United States.

00:02:26.000 It sounds bad, and it is bad, obviously.

00:02:28.000 It's a lot of people, but In comparison to the number of people who die daily in the United States generally, it is certainly not on the order of what it was.

00:02:36.000 And that's a very, very good thing.

00:02:37.000 In fact, the CDC is now releasing new information demonstrating the infection fatality rate.

00:02:43.000 And the CDC is saying that the fatality rates for coronavirus, and this is, by the way, for identified cases.

00:02:49.000 This does not include the asymptomatic.

00:02:52.000 And they say about 35% of all cases are now asymptomatic.

00:02:56.000 This is what the CDC is now suggesting, according to PJ Media.

00:02:59.000 The CDC is saying, here's the fatality rate for coronavirus.

00:03:02.000 So if you are anywhere below the age of 50 years old, your fatality rate for coronavirus, meaning if you actually get it, is 0.05%.

00:03:08.000 is .05%, .05, not 5%, not .5%, .05%, okay, which is a very, very low rate, right?

00:03:17.000 Actually lower than the flu.

00:03:18.000 The flu rate is 0.1% generally for all American populations.

00:03:22.000 Not sure what it is for people under 50.

00:03:24.000 Presumably it'd be a lot lower than that, but this is not an extraordinarily dangerous virus if you are under the age of 50, particularly if you don't have a significant underlying condition like diabetes or severe obesity.

00:03:34.000 If you are 50 to 64 years old, it is a 0.2% fatality rate.

00:03:36.000 If you're 65 plus years old, it is 1.3% fatality rate.

00:03:42.000 And again, that includes everybody who's above the age of 80, where the fatality rate is greatly increased.

00:03:47.000 Overall, they are saying now that the case fatality rate is 0.4% or about four times as deadly as the flu, which again is a far cry from what was originally planned.

00:03:55.000 I've been saying this for months, by the way, right?

00:03:57.000 I have been saying for a long time.

00:03:59.000 that I thought the actual case fatality rate on this thing was somewhere between 0.2% and 0.6%.

00:04:03.000 Turns out it's dead in the middle, 0.4%, according to the CDC.

00:04:06.000 According to the CDC's current best estimate, the case fatality rate of coronavirus is 0.4%.

00:04:11.000 That's just among the symptomatic cases.

00:04:13.000 The CDC estimates that that's 65% of all cases, which means that if actually the case fatality rate were to include all of the asymptomatic infections, even according to the CDC, it would be approximately 0.26%.

00:04:27.000 0.26%, which is really, you know, that is optimistic, right?

00:04:33.000 I mean, that is a good number.

00:04:35.000 When I say it's good, obviously it's bad.

00:04:37.000 I mean, all these numbers are bad, but it is certainly not nearly as deadly as we were originally told.

00:04:41.000 We were told that it was 10 times, like 10X, maybe 15X, that rate.

00:04:45.000 It is not, in fact.

00:04:47.000 It's closer to, again, 0.4, maybe 0.25.

00:04:49.000 And by the way, if there are more asymptomatic cases than 35% of all cases, then you're talking about lower than that for most groups.

00:04:55.000 So all of this is very good news.

00:04:57.000 And this is why you are starting to see This move by various areas, including New York and L.A., toward reopening.

00:05:04.000 Important thing to mention when it comes to viruses like this.

00:05:07.000 There have been some theories out there, one from a Hebrew University scientist who suggested that viruses tend to burn themselves out.

00:05:13.000 This tends to be true, that the most virulent strain of a virus burn their way through a population, and then you get sort of weaker strains of the virus that continue to linger on in the population for a long period of time.

00:05:22.000 Theoretically, that could be happening here.

00:05:24.000 We don't know yet.

00:05:25.000 But bottom line is that everybody now recognizes that We cannot remain in lockdown like this, not on the basis of these statistics.

00:05:31.000 This is why in Los Angeles County, which has been one of the most locked down places in America, Supervisor Catherine Barger announced that L.A.

00:05:38.000 County has now achieved readiness criteria and will apply for a variance with the state of California tomorrow.

00:05:42.000 If granted, the variance from the state public health order will allow L.A.

00:05:46.000 County to advance further in Stage 2 and into Stage 3 of the state's roadmap to recovery.

00:05:51.000 What that means is that the county is moving toward additional steps, meaning the immediate reopening of in-person shopping and houses of worship.

00:05:58.000 That doesn't mean there won't be social distancing and mask wearing.

00:06:00.000 There will.

00:06:00.000 But this would mean that they can move beyond simply takeout orders.

00:06:05.000 You can go to a restaurant again.

00:06:06.000 You just have to social distance from places, presumably, is going to be the next step.

00:06:10.000 So all of this is optimistic, and that's good.

00:06:13.000 Why should we be downplaying good news?

00:06:15.000 This is good news.

00:06:16.000 Even Governor Cuomo in New York is saying that New York City could be reopened by mid-June.

00:06:20.000 Which again is a good piece of news.

00:06:21.000 This is according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:06:22.000 He says that New York City could begin a phased reopening in the first or second week of June.

00:06:26.000 This is according to Bill de Blasio.

00:06:28.000 De Blasio said at a press conference the city will have about 180 testing sites open by the end of June with the expectation to run about 50,000 coronavirus tests daily by August 1st.

00:06:36.000 A June 1st goal to hire 1,000 contact tracers has already been met and exceeded.

00:06:40.000 Some 700 of those workers are based in the city's hardest hit communities and speak some 40 different languages.

00:06:44.000 de Blasio says hundreds of thousands of people will need to use mass transit in the initial phase of the reopening, which allows construction, manufacturing and retail for curbside pickup.

00:06:52.000 Officials are trying to determine how exactly they can operate the subways and the buses without overcrowding.

00:06:56.000 But the bottom line is that even New York City is now moving toward reopening.

00:07:00.000 And it's happening in New Jersey as well.

00:07:03.000 According to reporter Carl Quintanilla at CNBC, he points out that 13 states have been open for more than three weeks now.

00:07:10.000 Those states have now seen daily cases fall 29%, 29% over the prior three weeks, which is kind of incredible because you'd expect actually the number of cases to be upticking, not downticking, right?

00:07:22.000 As the number of people out in public rises, you would expect, again, that kind of spike again, but we are not really seeing that spike again.

00:07:29.000 In fact, we are seeing a declining rate of positivity across the country.

00:07:34.000 Father John Jenkins, who's the president of the University of Notre Dame, he is suggesting that it is time to reopen Notre Dame as a school.

00:07:43.000 He says that we are announcing plans to return students to campus for the fall semester in order to reduce the chances that students from around the country and the world with multiple departures and returns will carry pathogens with them, will bring students back two weeks early, forego a fall break and finish the semester before Thanksgiving, they'll conduct orientations to welcome them back in the COVID-19 era, They'll institute extensive protocols for testing, contact tracing, and quarantining, preventive measures such as hand-washing, physical distancing, and in certain settings, the wearing of masks.

00:08:09.000 In certain settings is the key, right?

00:08:10.000 Athletic competition provides another set of challenges.

00:08:13.000 They believe that they can keep student-athletes safe.

00:08:16.000 Fans in the stadium is going to be a different question.

00:08:19.000 But bottom line again is that the reason markets are optimistic right now is because people are looking at reopening.

00:08:25.000 And the reopening is going to be more swift than I think people think it's going to be.

00:08:28.000 Because once you allow people out, people are going to want to hang out with each other.

00:08:32.000 People are willing to undertake the risk once they become comfortable that we're not spiking over the healthcare system.

00:08:36.000 Once they become comfortable that this is not looking like Italy, people may continue to wear masks.

00:08:40.000 I can tell you in LA, people are still wearing masks.

00:08:42.000 They should be.

00:08:43.000 I am a mask advocate.

00:08:44.000 I know there are a lot of people on the right who believe that masks are terrible, horrible, no good, very bad things.

00:08:49.000 I disagree with this on a general level.

00:08:51.000 I think that the science disagrees with this.

00:08:53.000 The bottom line is that people get this from droplets and from prolonged close contact with the other human beings who have this sort of thing.

00:09:00.000 If you are in a closed area with another person within six feet of that person, you should be wearing a mask.

00:09:05.000 If you are outside six feet of that person, then you probably should not be wearing a mask or it doesn't matter.

00:09:09.000 If you're outdoors, it probably is not going to matter all that much unless you are in extremely, extremely close contact.

00:09:14.000 Okay, so that's where I am on the mask wearing.

00:09:15.000 We'll get into the mask wearing in just a second because this has become an issue of contention.

00:09:20.000 But all of this is very, very good.

00:09:23.000 So why exactly are the media trying to downplay it?

00:09:25.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:10:37.000 So there's been a lot of eagerness to reopen and the stock market is reflecting that.

00:10:42.000 So I'm honestly bewildered by all the people who are bewildered by the stock market increase.

00:10:47.000 The stock market is increasing because people are pricing the future into the present.

00:10:50.000 This is exactly what stock markets do.

00:10:52.000 Stock markets are designed to take all of the knowledge and speculation about the future and then to price that into the stock price.

00:10:58.000 This is why insider trading is a crime.

00:11:00.000 Because if you know what's going to happen two days from now, you can price that into how you consume particular stocks.

00:11:05.000 So why is the stock market up some 35% since it hit the bottom?

00:11:09.000 Well, because we know where the bottom was.

00:11:10.000 We know that there's going to be a recovery.

00:11:12.000 And people feel like they can buy low.

00:11:14.000 I mean, I was buying stock during this time.

00:11:17.000 I was telling people not to sell their stock during this time because there was going to be an increase in the stock market.

00:11:22.000 Okay, but this has still led people who don't like President Trump to basically suggest that the stock market is delusional, that the stock market is disconnected from reality.

00:11:31.000 It is not disconnected from reality.

00:11:32.000 The stock market tumbled from 30,000 to 18,000 during a government-mandated shutdown.

00:11:37.000 Now, as that shutdown ends, people are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

00:11:40.000 They're getting more optimistic, and they're investing in companies again, which makes perfect sense.

00:11:43.000 Well, this led to a big blow-up this morning on CNBC.

00:11:46.000 Andrew Ross Sorkin, who, nice guy, I'm pretty friendly with him, he got into a tiff ...with another person named Joe Kernan on CNBC who's been talking up the stock market and saying now's a pretty good time to buy, which is true.

00:11:58.000 And Ross Sorkin basically suggests that if you're talking up the stock market right now, then this is because you are a shill for President Trump.

00:12:04.000 That's just nonsense.

00:12:06.000 Panicked about ever going out again.

00:12:08.000 Panicked that we'd ever get back to normal.

00:12:10.000 Joseph, you didn't panic about anything!

00:12:12.000 What good is it?

00:12:12.000 What good is that?

00:12:13.000 Why not help people keep their head?

00:12:17.000 100,000 people died, Joe, and all you did was try to help your friend the President.

00:12:22.000 That's what you did.

00:12:24.000 Every single morning on this show.

00:12:27.000 Every single morning on this show, you abuse and abuse your position, Joe.

00:12:30.000 That's totally unfair.

00:12:31.000 You abuse and abuse your position.

00:12:32.000 I'm trying to help investors keep their cool, keep their heads. 0.97

00:12:37.000 Okay, again, that's just nonsense.

00:12:39.000 It's bad media coverage.

00:12:40.000 It's bad media coverage.

00:12:41.000 The reason that people are talking up the stock market is because right now is actually a fairly good time to buy into the stock market.

00:12:47.000 But, again, there's a narrative that has to be driven, which is that if you're optimistic about the future, it's because you are not taking the virus seriously.

00:12:55.000 Or, there's another narrative that's going around now, and that narrative is that if you're in favor of ending lockdown, it's because you're vicious and cruel. 0.92

00:13:02.000 It's because you're nasty. 0.62

00:13:04.000 This is what Andy Beshear, the Democratic governor of Kentucky, is saying. 0.97

00:13:08.000 There was a rally outside the statehouse, I guess, somewhere in Kentucky, and somebody hanged him in effigy.

00:13:15.000 Hung him in effigy.

00:13:17.000 Hanged is for a picture.

00:13:18.000 Hung is for a human being.

00:13:19.000 They hung him in effigy, which is a nasty thing and an ugly thing. 1.00

00:13:24.000 And then, Bashir basically blamed every Republican, which is just stupidity. 1.00

00:13:29.000 I'm sorry. 0.99

00:13:29.000 No one was actually encouraging people to hang the governor in effigy. 0.99

00:13:33.000 Here he was blaming Republicans for wanting to end the lockdown because supposedly this leads to people burning people in effigy.

00:13:39.000 You cannot fan the flames and then condemn the fire.

00:13:46.000 Those at the previous rally, those elected officials that embraced these individuals and that stood in front of people dressed in tactical gear and the rest and threw as much red meat as possible at them, they have to claim responsibility because they absolutely know what could have happened.

00:14:03.000 And they are in part responsible for what they did. 0.94

00:14:08.000 With that said, if you were in favor of ending the lockdowns, you're not responsible for some jackass being a jackass in front of a governor's house. 0.95

00:14:15.000 That's not a thing. 0.83

00:14:16.000 That really is not.

00:14:17.000 I'm very tired of this game.

00:14:18.000 This game gets played all the time.

00:14:19.000 Unless you're a Bernie Sanders supporter and you shoot up a bunch of Congress people, then obviously Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with it.

00:14:25.000 This only works one way.

00:14:26.000 Okay, so all of this is leading to the inevitable political conflict The political conflict is now going to be that Republicans supposedly don't take this thing seriously, and Democrats do take this thing seriously.

00:14:37.000 This doesn't have to be political.

00:14:38.000 What if I take this seriously, but I also understand the cost to lockdown?

00:14:41.000 What if I take this seriously, but I also believe that America has to reopen?

00:14:45.000 What if I take this seriously, but I believe that the individual Americans who live particularly in highly populous areas are generally responsible, and that you actually don't need every single American to be responsible in order to keep down the transmission of the virus?

00:14:56.000 Because that actually happens to be the case.

00:14:58.000 But this is pure binary politics because we always revert to pure binary politics when in doubt.

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00:16:56.000 Okay, so this obviously was going to break down politically And it was going to break down politically because it turns out that when you look at the stats, it's fairly obvious who blew it and who didn't.

00:17:06.000 And when you look at which governors performed well and which governors performed poorly, it is pretty obviously who did pretty well and who did pretty poorly.

00:17:13.000 So President Trump highlighted this yesterday.

00:17:15.000 He said, it's a disgrace how the governors handled nursing homes. 1.00

00:17:17.000 This is 100% true.

00:17:20.000 47% of all deaths in the United States happen in nursing homes.

00:17:22.000 Here was Trump going after governors for how they treated nursing homes, which is not his fault.

00:17:25.000 That would be the governor's fault.

00:17:27.000 We're using every tool at our disposal to protect our nursing homes from outbreaks.

00:17:33.000 You saw the disaster of how badly some of the governors handled nursing homes.

00:17:38.000 It's a disgrace what they've done.

00:17:41.000 What the governors, what some of the governors have done is a disgrace.

00:17:45.000 Our seniors are very special people.

00:17:48.000 All of our citizens are special.

00:17:50.000 But our seniors, we have to take care of our seniors.

00:17:55.000 Okay, so he is correct about this.

00:17:57.000 Now, where the Democrats have opened up a gap is in the idea that Trump was unserious about this thing and that Democrats were serious about this thing, and this is why you're seeing Joe Biden.

00:18:06.000 Trying to draw a contrast around the issue of mask wearing.

00:18:10.000 Okay, so there's all sorts of conflict over whether masks should in fact be mandated or whether they should not.

00:18:14.000 And this is a serious question.

00:18:15.000 The reason it's a serious question is because if it's mandated by the state, that means the police can come and arrest you if you don't wear a mask.

00:18:20.000 Or the police are going to tackle you.

00:18:21.000 Now, we've seen in New York that Bill de Blasio is not willing to, you know, follow through on the courage of his convictions and actually have people tackled in the open because they're not wearing masks.

00:18:30.000 Instead, it's sort of people going by and announcing that you should wear a mask or that you should socially distance.

00:18:34.000 There are people on the right who are very much anti-mask because they believe that this leads to a perception of a new normal in which we are all expected to wear masks.

00:18:41.000 I don't think anybody really believes that long term we're all going to be wearing masks.

00:18:44.000 I think what people believe is that for the moment, in order to prevent the spike of the spread, in order for us to all get back to business, we should probably wear masks to protect the most vulnerable, particularly when the most vulnerable are there.

00:18:56.000 According to CNN, as more places across the U.S.

00:18:58.000 offer people a chance to shop or dine inside, the issue of whether to wear a mask has again become a flashpoint.

00:19:03.000 There are 17 states where the number of coronavirus cases are trending up.

00:19:05.000 Many governors have told citizens that now is an important time to wear a face covering.

00:19:09.000 Virginia on Tuesday became the latest state to compel people to wear masks in certain situations.

00:19:12.000 The rule applies to anyone 10 years of age or older within a public indoor space, according to Governor Ralph Northam.

00:19:18.000 This, of course, came immediately after Ralph Northam was out in public with other people doing photo lines and not wearing a mask.

00:19:24.000 The hypocrisy of our politicians is something to behold.

00:19:28.000 The CDC recommends wearing a cloth face covering in public when it is hard to stay socially distant.

00:19:33.000 Dr. Deborah Birx says what we have said to people is there's clear scientific evidence now by all droplet experiments that happen and that others have done to show a mask does prevent droplets from reaching others.

00:19:41.000 We need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance.

00:19:44.000 But some Americans argue that this feels like a forfeiture of freedom.

00:19:48.000 There are a bunch of people who are basically implying that wearing a mask is foolish or it's giving up basic American freedoms.

00:19:55.000 I don't think that's right.

00:19:56.000 I don't think that the state should be compelling you to wear a mask if you are out in public.

00:20:00.000 But I do think that you are not being, how to put this, kind to others if you are in a place with vulnerable people and you're not wearing a mask. 1.00

00:20:08.000 At the same time, if you're wearing a mask alone in your car, you're a moron. 1.00

00:20:11.000 If you're wearing a mask alone in your car, you're stupid. 1.00

00:20:13.000 If you're out in public and you're 100 feet away from everybody and you're wearing a mask, let's say you're at a Veterans Memorial in Delaware and you're within 50 feet of nobody and you're wearing a mask, that's just virtue signaling at this point. 0.99

00:20:23.000 And this has become the point, is that Joe Biden wants to virtue signal.

00:20:27.000 He wants this contrast.

00:20:28.000 Because again, the idea here is that if he wears a mask and Donald Trump does not, it's because he takes this thing seriously, and Donald Trump does not.

00:20:35.000 So yesterday, Biden tweeted out, just wear a mask.

00:20:38.000 I mean, that's literally the entire tweet.

00:20:40.000 Wear a mask.

00:20:40.000 So this is his campaign.

00:20:41.000 His campaign is wear a mask, as opposed to Trump, who refuses to wear a mask.

00:20:45.000 Again, now here's the thing. 0.99

00:20:47.000 I think that Trump is actually kind of foolish to cede this ground. 0.96

00:20:50.000 Most Americans are on board with the idea that when you are in a crowded area, you're supposed to wear a mask, at least for the moment. 0.98

00:20:56.000 I think that it's the desire to virtue signal on both sides is truly insane.

00:21:02.000 Not because it's bad to wear a mask.

00:21:04.000 Again, I've given you my perspective on masks, but there is a group of people who basically spend all day, and I know the term now on the internet has become Karening, like the basic idea is that you're going to go around and Karen at people.

00:21:14.000 I mean, you're going to yell at people if they're not wearing a mask.

00:21:16.000 And you're going to shame them and make them feel bad, even if they're not endangering anybody, because you're better than they are.

00:21:21.000 It's just become another example of the sort of 1930s style.

00:21:25.000 You're flying the Blue Eagle.

00:21:26.000 That means you're loyal to the government as opposed to you're not wearing a mask.

00:21:29.000 And that means you're disloyal to the government or something like that. 1.00

00:21:32.000 Trump is foolish to fall into this. 1.00

00:21:33.000 On the one hand, this is idiocy. 1.00

00:21:36.000 Hey, if you're not endangering anybody, you're not endangering anybody. 0.99

00:21:38.000 And if you're young and healthy and you don't have this thing, then you're not endangering anybody.

00:21:42.000 And no, President Trump really does not have to wear a mask because we know he doesn't have it.

00:21:45.000 He's being tested like every single day.

00:21:47.000 And he's the most monitored person on planet Earth.

00:21:50.000 And also, he has apparently been wearing the mask behind the scenes when he has been in close contact with people.

00:21:56.000 But on the one hand, you have the people who are like, if you don't wear a mask, you're a disloyal American, you're a very bad person.

00:22:01.000 On the other hand, you have people who are like, I'm never wearing a mask ever because if I wear a mask, then it just shows that I'm bowing to government authority.

00:22:08.000 Or how about this?

00:22:09.000 How about you trust in Americans to be reasonable? 0.89

00:22:11.000 This is why, as the social fabric has decayed, this gap really does demonstrate how people have filled the gap in social fabric with desire for government interventionism.

00:22:22.000 See, here's the thing.

00:22:23.000 I trust my neighbors and I trust my friends that they're not going to endanger me.

00:22:27.000 I do.

00:22:28.000 In fact, our synagogue put out a statement yesterday about how they're going to reopen.

00:22:31.000 And the way they're going to reopen is no kiddish, meaning that people are not going to be eating and drinking in buffet lines, that they are going to socially distance the table six feet, that you are supposed to wear a mask at all times during davening, right?

00:22:42.000 All of these things are voluntarily being undertaken.

00:22:44.000 They're not being undertaken as an aspect of the government ordering.

00:22:47.000 Why?

00:22:47.000 Because we all trust each other and we don't want to get each other sick.

00:22:49.000 But as the social fabric has decayed, people want the government to enforce all this stuff.

00:22:55.000 And then you get people who are cracking back at that saying, OK, well, I'm never listening to the government ever.

00:23:00.000 OK, what if like both things are bad? 0.98

00:23:02.000 What if what if the government should not be mandating the masks, but we should have a social fabric in which we trust each other enough not to be idiots to each other? 0.98

00:23:08.000 How about that? 0.99

00:23:08.000 So Joe Biden came out. 0.99

00:23:10.000 He said that Donald Trump is a fool for not wearing a mask, which, of course, is ridiculous. 0.99

00:23:13.000 Ralph Northam wasn't wearing a mask. 0.99

00:23:15.000 Joe Biden in this particular interview with CNN isn't wearing a mask like this is.

00:23:20.000 In certain situations, you should wear a mask.

00:23:22.000 If you're walking into an old age home, you should be tested and you should wear a mask. 1.00

00:23:25.000 And if not, if you're like out in public and a hundred feet from people, you shouldn't wear a mask. 0.92

00:23:29.000 This is silly. 1.00

00:23:31.000 He's a fool. 1.00

00:23:33.000 An absolute fool to talk that way. 1.00

00:23:36.000 I mean, every leading doc in the world is saying we should wear a mask when you're in a crowd. 1.00

00:23:43.000 And especially when you know you're going to be in a position where you're going to inadvertently get closer than 12 feet to somebody.

00:23:50.000 I know we're 12 feet apart.

00:23:52.000 I get that.

00:23:53.000 But it's just absolutely this macho stuff for a guy.

00:23:59.000 I shouldn't get going, but it just is.

00:24:02.000 It's cost people's lives.

00:24:05.000 The reason this is bad politics for Trump, and it's smart politics for Biden, honestly, is because particularly the soccer moms from 2004, the security moms, who are very worried about terrorism and therefore voted for George W. Bush, what makes them feel safer?

00:24:21.000 A president who is taking seriously the virus to the extent that he's being over-serious, or a president who's being cavalier and treating it as a sign of masculinity.

00:24:28.000 Like, just on a political level, this is not particularly smart.

00:24:31.000 Like, so yesterday, President Trump was calling a reporter politically correct for wearing a mask.

00:24:35.000 Now, he's not wrong that the reporter is virtue signaling by wearing a mask when the reporter is far away from everybody.

00:24:40.000 I mean, that part is true. 0.62

00:24:41.000 But the question is, why is this the image that he wants to project?

00:24:45.000 Like, why is this an important thing to do?

00:24:47.000 They're inside, they don't wear masks, and so I thought it was very unusual that he had one on, but I thought that was fine.

00:24:53.000 I wasn't criticizing him at all.

00:24:54.000 Why would I ever do a thing like that?

00:24:57.000 And your second question was?

00:24:59.000 I couldn't hear you.

00:25:00.000 Can you take it off because I cannot hear you.

00:25:02.000 I'll just speak louder, sir.

00:25:03.000 Okay, good.

00:25:04.000 You want to be politically correct.

00:25:05.000 Go ahead.

00:25:06.000 No, sir.

00:25:06.000 I just want to wear the mask.

00:25:07.000 Go ahead, go ahead.

00:25:09.000 Okay, so there's the president ripping into mask wearing.

00:25:13.000 Why he would allow this to become political is beyond me.

00:25:15.000 It's political malpractice, but we've seen a lot of political malpractice this week. 0.89

00:25:18.000 By the way, the media are indeed hypocrites on this particular issue.

00:25:22.000 The best clip of yesterday was an MSNBC reporter trying to shame people around him for not wearing masks, and a person in Wisconsin not wearing a mask immediately turns to him and says, your cameraman's not wearing a mask.

00:25:31.000 It was pretty spectacular.

00:25:33.000 Are the people there just not worried about it, Cal?

00:25:35.000 Are they not worried about their own personal safety?

00:25:39.000 I haven't met anybody who is.

00:25:41.000 But you can see.

00:25:42.000 Here.

00:25:42.000 Just around.

00:25:43.000 Nobody's wearing them.

00:25:44.000 Nobody's, uh... Including the cameraman.

00:25:45.000 There you go.

00:25:46.000 Including the cameraman.

00:25:47.000 Yeah.

00:25:47.000 Katie?

00:25:48.000 Captain Crew's not wearing them.

00:25:50.000 Striking images.

00:25:54.000 I love the guy just owning MSNBC with facts and logic right there.

00:25:58.000 By the way, the hypocrisy exists on all sides. 1.00

00:26:00.000 All this is so annoying because it's so stupid. 1.00

00:26:02.000 It truly is. 0.99

00:26:04.000 I really feel like 85% of Americans are on the same page here, which is be responsible, socially distance, wear a mask when you have to, and get back to work.

00:26:11.000 Protect the elderly.

00:26:14.000 Why is this unreasonable?

00:26:15.000 I'm so confused as to how this has become such a wildly partisan issue, except that everything now is about signaling.

00:26:21.000 And it's not even virtue signaling.

00:26:22.000 It's about commitment signaling.

00:26:24.000 And that's what I'm going to get to in a second, is this commitment signaling routine that we get on Twitter.

00:26:28.000 Because in our age, it's not even about your signaling your virtue or your signaling your beliefs.

00:26:32.000 It's your signaling your loyalty to a particular person or particular cause.

00:26:36.000 And if you're signaling loyalty without virtue, loyalty without virtue is not a merit.

00:26:40.000 It is a demerit.

00:26:41.000 We're going to get to that in just one second.

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00:27:49.000 My big question continues to be, how all of this has gotten so partisan?

00:27:54.000 Because again, I think that everybody is sort of ending up in the same place, which is be reasonable.

00:27:59.000 And Democrats in their own actions are being more reasonable than they are in their rhetoric.

00:28:03.000 So take, for example, Gretchen Whitmer.

00:28:05.000 So Gretchen Whitmer was like, shut it all down. 0.99

00:28:07.000 You can't buy seeds at the local store.

00:28:09.000 You can't you can't buy a baby seat.

00:28:10.000 And then her husband was like headed off to their second property and calling up calling up boathouses and telling him to load his boat into the lake for Memorial Day and all of this.

00:28:18.000 And Gretchen Whitmer was trying to deny that yesterday. 0.98

00:28:20.000 The very strict lockdown governor of Michigan who is cramming down all of her silly restrictions on the people of Michigan because she can't trust them, but she can trust her husband.

00:28:27.000 Here's Whitmer.

00:28:28.000 My husband made a failed attempt at humor last week when checking in with the small business that helps with our boat and dock up north.

00:28:38.000 Knowing it wouldn't make a difference, he jokingly asked if being married to me might move him up in the queue.

00:28:45.000 Obviously, with the motorized boating prohibition in our early days of COVID-19, he thought it might get a laugh.

00:28:53.000 It didn't.

00:28:54.000 And to be honest, I wasn't laughing either when it was relayed to me.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure it was a joke.

00:29:00.000 Or alternatively, he was trying to call in and be a big shot and get the rules broken for him.

00:29:04.000 So good times here by Democrats.

00:29:07.000 Again, everybody is a human being here.

00:29:09.000 Underneath all of the politics, everybody's a human being.

00:29:11.000 We're all going to end up individually assessing our risks and then acting accordingly.

00:29:15.000 That's where we're going to end up.

00:29:16.000 And that's not a bad thing.

00:29:17.000 That's a good thing.

00:29:18.000 That's a very good thing.

00:29:19.000 And by the way, it's not just happening here.

00:29:20.000 It's happening in Europe as well, right?

00:29:22.000 All of this is like human beings acting responsibly.

00:29:25.000 I thought that that was the predicate for virtually all Behavior in Republic.

00:29:31.000 We have to trust each other enough to act responsibly.

00:29:34.000 But everything has become politicized because everything now is about commitment signaling.

00:29:38.000 And this is really the key.

00:29:39.000 When it comes to masks, it's commitment signaling.

00:29:41.000 How committed are you to the mask?

00:29:42.000 I'm so committed to the mask that I mask when I'm alone, in my bathroom, at night, in my house.

00:29:46.000 That's how committed to masks I am.

00:29:48.000 How committed are you to liberty?

00:29:49.000 I'm so committed to liberty that I'm going to go into a giant crowd of a thousand people and I'm just going to breathe on everybody.

00:29:54.000 Just breathe on everybody to prove liberty.

00:29:56.000 Is any of this virtuous?

00:29:58.000 Is any of this moral?

00:29:59.000 Is any of this decent?

00:30:00.000 Or is it just about commitment signaling? 1.00

00:30:02.000 So a perfect example of commitment signaling happened yesterday online over this idiotic situation in Central Park. 0.99

00:30:09.000 So there's a woman, her name is Amy Cooper, and she is apparently a lifelong Democrat. 0.98

00:30:13.000 Which, by the way, you could absolutely tell from all of the outside indicators here.

00:30:17.000 Because if you watch this little clip that went viral yesterday, And the day before, there's a woman named Amy Cooper, and then there's a dude named Christian Cooper.

00:30:26.000 Okay, they're not related because one is white and one is black.

00:30:28.000 And Amy Cooper is in the park, walking her dog through a place called the Ramble, which is apparently like this bird-watching sanctuary.

00:30:35.000 And Christian Cooper gets mad because the dog is there.

00:30:39.000 And Christian Cooper, according to his own account, basically says to the lady, put your dog on a leash.

00:30:44.000 And she says, I don't want to put the dog on a leash, because they've shut down all of the areas where my dog can run around.

00:30:48.000 And he says, well, if you don't put your dog on the leash, if you're going to do what you're going to do, then I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and you're not going to like it.

00:30:53.000 Which is a tacit threat, obviously.

00:30:55.000 I mean, that doesn't sound exactly like he's going to pet the dog, does it?

00:30:58.000 OK, and then he signals that her dog should come over, and he takes some doggy treats out of his pocket.

00:31:02.000 Now, he doesn't have a dog, and he's taking doggy treats out of his pocket.

00:31:04.000 At that point, she loses it, and she says a racist thing.

00:31:07.000 She says, I'm going to call up the NYPD. 0.98

00:31:08.000 I'm going to tell them an African-American man is threatening my life. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Not sure why exactly the race is relevant there, except that, as a good liberal who gave money to Barack Obama, she probably thinks the NYPD are a bunch of vicious racists who are gonna come and shoot the black guy, right? 0.97

00:31:20.000 That is probably the underlying message there.

00:31:22.000 So, she says the racist thing, then she calls the cops, and she says, there's an African-American man threatening me, and then he takes this tape, and he puts it online.

00:31:30.000 And then she gets fired. 0.99

00:31:31.000 Now, there's no evidence she worked at some sort of financial firm.

00:31:33.000 No evidence that she's ever been racist in her career.

00:31:36.000 No evidence that her financial career has been motivated and plagued by bigotry.

00:31:41.000 She lost her job over all of this.

00:31:43.000 And she was harangued and people were tweeting their commitment to it.

00:31:48.000 And there was this basic idea that if you tweeted that this woman was bad, you had demonstrated your commitment.

00:31:52.000 It wasn't commitment to virtue.

00:31:53.000 It was just your commitment to the clause.

00:31:54.000 Now, getting her fired is not actually virtue. 1.00

00:31:57.000 Having the woman's dog removed from her and getting her fired, that seems pretty crappy, honestly.

00:32:01.000 Now, I'm not a dog owner, so I really can't speak to is she really mistreating the dog in the particular tape.

00:32:07.000 She's holding the dog by the collar as it kind of struggles against her, so I don't know the answer to that.

00:32:11.000 But, the idea that the woman ought to lose her job because there was a guy who took a video of her and he was not acting wonderfully and then she said something racist.

00:32:20.000 How is that like the best outcome?

00:32:22.000 How is this a good outcome?

00:32:23.000 And the answer is on Twitter and in social media and in our political lives right now, it's all about the level of commitment you're willing to signal.

00:32:30.000 So it's not enough to just say, wow, this woman said a racist thing, that's bad. 0.99

00:32:33.000 Instead it's, let's find her home address and let's send her mail.

00:32:37.000 Let's go outside her house. 0.99

00:32:38.000 Let's go to her business and let's make sure she loses her job and her livelihood. 1.00

00:32:42.000 Because I've demonstrated to all of you through my commitment to the cause, just how committed I am.

00:32:46.000 And all it took was a few clicks of the keys and everything was great.

00:32:49.000 My commitment signaling is super duper strong.

00:32:53.000 According to the New York Times, the woman, this has now been viewed 30 million times, this video, touching off intense discussions about the history of false accusations made to the police against black people, sometimes putting their lives in danger.

00:33:06.000 She has given up her dog, publicly apologized, and been fired from her job.

00:33:10.000 Even Christian Cooper was like, I'm sorry that this has been the extent of the blowback.

00:33:14.000 Christian Cooper was like, I feel like this is not actually the way this should have gone.

00:33:18.000 He appeared with Anderson Cooper yesterday, or Don Lemon rather, and he was like, I feel like this is over the top, guys.

00:33:24.000 All I meant to do was kind of shame the lady a little bit, and instead everybody decided to demonstrate their commitment by getting her fired. 1.00

00:33:30.000 Some of the messaging I am told has been death threats.

00:33:33.000 And that is wholly inappropriate and abhorrent and should stop immediately.

00:33:38.000 I find it strange that people who were upset that they tried, as they see it and rightly, that she tried to bring death by cop down on my head would then turn around and try to put death threats on her head.

00:33:54.000 Where is the logic in that?

00:33:56.000 Where does that make any kind of sense?

00:33:59.000 Okay, by the way, the notion that she, in the actual call, there is a difference in what she says to him and what she says to the police.

00:34:06.000 In the actual, you can see her make the police call.

00:34:08.000 In the police call, she says, he's threatening my dog.

00:34:10.000 In what she says to him is, you're threatening me.

00:34:11.000 Okay, so presumably there'd be a difference in response by the police to those two things.

00:34:15.000 But in any case, even he says, Christian Cooper, he says correctly, if our goal is to change the underlying factors, I'm not sure this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal.

00:34:24.000 And that is exactly correct.

00:34:26.000 I mean, that's exactly right.

00:34:27.000 But again, everything has now become about commitment signaling.

00:34:31.000 And you're seeing this with regard to President Trump on Twitter as well.

00:34:35.000 We'll get to that momentarily.

00:34:36.000 None of this is good for the country.

00:34:37.000 It really is not.

00:34:38.000 Your commitment, demonstrating your commitment to the cause on Twitter, does not make you a better person.

00:34:43.000 It doesn't.

00:34:43.000 It doesn't make you morally superior.

00:34:44.000 It doesn't make you decent.

00:34:45.000 In fact, it makes you very indecent.

00:34:47.000 If you're committed to the cause to the extent that you're doing an immoral thing to demonstrate your commitment to the cause, then that just makes you a radical. 0.99

00:34:53.000 And listen, extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice, but extremism in the pursuit of stupidity is a definite vice. 0.92

00:35:00.000 Extremism in the pursuit of demonstrating your commitment and loyalty to a particular cause without any decency attached to it doesn't make you a better person. 1.00

00:35:07.000 You saw that happen in this case, and as we will see, This also happened with regard to Twitter and President Trump yesterday and it's just, it's ugly and it's dumb and it's all reactionary. 0.96

00:35:17.000 We're gonna get to more of this in just one second. 0.85

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00:38:24.000 Okay, so when we talk about commitment signaling, that one aspect of commitment signaling is just doubling down on the stupid crap you've said before. 0.99

00:38:38.000 That's demonstrating your commitment. 0.99

00:38:39.000 You never back off, you never apologize, you never stop, never stop, never stopping.

00:38:43.000 You just continue down this road.

00:38:45.000 And the way this works is that if the president, for example, if President Trump decides that he is just going to randomly accuse Joe Scarborough of murdering a Catholic Republican intern, Twenty years ago.

00:38:55.000 And he's just going to go off on this thing.

00:38:56.000 He's going to suggest it.

00:38:57.000 By the way, this used to be a Democrat thing, right?

00:38:59.000 Michael Moore once suggested that Joe Scarborough had murdered an intern.

00:39:02.000 Marcos Melitzus suggested Joe Scarborough had murdered an intern.

00:39:05.000 So recognize that the rumor actually started on the left.

00:39:08.000 But Trump repeating it is obviously immoral, right?

00:39:11.000 It is an immoral thing.

00:39:12.000 Accusing people of murder without evidence.

00:39:14.000 Immoral. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Immoral when you're doing it to Raphael Cruz and suggesting he killed John F. Kennedy. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Immoral when you're doing it to Joe Scarborough.

00:39:19.000 Immoral! 1.00

00:39:20.000 Do not accuse people of murder.

00:39:21.000 Also, really, really immoral.

00:39:23.000 Accusing a dead Catholic woman of having been having an affair with a congressperson and then being murdered over the affair.

00:39:30.000 Really, really bad.

00:39:31.000 Really bad stuff, guys.

00:39:32.000 Okay, like, I don't care who says this.

00:39:34.000 I don't care that you like President Trump.

00:39:36.000 Bad thing to do.

00:39:37.000 Bad thing to say.

00:39:38.000 And if you have a hard time saying bad thing to do, bad thing to say, get your priorities straight.

00:39:41.000 I'm not saying you can't vote for the man.

00:39:44.000 I've said before, I'm intending on voting for him. 0.99

00:39:46.000 But that is despite all this garbage, not because of all this garbage. 0.94

00:39:49.000 But right now, the way this works is that if Trump says something unbelievably terrible about the Joe Scarborough intern situation, if he continues to double down on that, and if you question it, then you are insufficiently committed. 0.97

00:40:01.000 And this is one of the ugliest things about our politics right now.

00:40:04.000 That you have to demonstrate your commitment by defending everything.

00:40:07.000 And suggesting, well, you know, the media are constantly attacking Trump.

00:40:11.000 I mean, Scarborough said nasty things about Trump, so why shouldn't he say nasty things about Scarborough?

00:40:15.000 And the answer is, what are we, in second grade here?

00:40:18.000 Seriously. 0.99

00:40:19.000 Like, in second grade, we learn that if somebody says something mean to you, the proper response is not to call their mother a whore. 0.99

00:40:27.000 Right? 0.96

00:40:27.000 This is like the first thing that you learn when you're a kid. 0.96

00:40:31.000 If you have good parents, your parents teach you that just because that other kid did something does not mean that you also get to do that thing or do it worse to them.

00:40:37.000 Right?

00:40:37.000 That's not a thing you get to do.

00:40:39.000 Also, there's collateral damage here. 0.98

00:40:40.000 He's not just accusing Joe Scarborough of stripping puppies or something, which would be, you know, on its face ridiculous and silly and all that. 0.99

00:40:47.000 He's actually accusing a dead Catholic woman of having violated her marital vows with Joe Scarborough before being murdered. 0.99

00:40:54.000 Okay, that's really bad stuff.

00:40:55.000 It is.

00:40:56.000 Can we just acknowledge this for a second?

00:40:58.000 But if you acknowledge this, you're insufficiently committed.

00:40:59.000 So what people love about Trump, for good or ill, is that the man is committed.

00:41:04.000 He's committed to his own priorities. 0.99

00:41:06.000 Apparently he's not committed to political brilliance because I don't know who he is winning over with this garbage. 0.98

00:41:12.000 Now people are like, well, he's not losing any votes with it. 0.99

00:41:14.000 Yeah, he is.

00:41:15.000 He is.

00:41:15.000 There are a bunch of people who are Let me tell you, Republican women in the suburbs.

00:41:20.000 Do you think they're showing up more or less over all of the, if you are a mask, you're a cuck, and if you are a Catholic intern for Joe Scarborough, you're probably murdered by Joe Scarborough.

00:41:33.000 Have people forgotten that politics is about demonstrating to voters that you're fit to be president?

00:41:37.000 Demonstrating to voters two things.

00:41:38.000 One, the other guy's unfit.

00:41:39.000 Two, you are fit.

00:41:41.000 Trump is great at the former and awful at the latter. 0.94

00:41:44.000 If you want him to win re-election, he needs to stop this bullcrap right now. 0.93

00:41:48.000 I've already talked about the morality, but just on a political level.

00:41:50.000 Okay, but again, we live in a world where you're supposed to demonstrate your commitment to the cause by neglecting the evils on your own side and pretending that they're okay.

00:42:00.000 Or you're supposed to sort of laugh at it as though it's a joke.

00:42:04.000 Or you're supposed to blame Joe Scarborough for Trump accusing a dead Catholic woman of being an adulteress.

00:42:10.000 Okay, so here was President Trump yesterday defending his claim about Scarborough's intern.

00:42:15.000 I'm sure that ultimately they want to get to the bottom of it, and it's a very serious situation.

00:42:20.000 I also saw a clip with Joe and Imus, where they were having a lot of fun at her expense, and I thought it was totally inappropriate.

00:42:32.000 No, it's a very suspicious thing, and I hope somebody gets to the bottom of it.

00:42:38.000 It'll be a very good thing.

00:42:39.000 As you know, there's no statute of limitations, so it would be a very good thing to do.

00:42:46.000 Okay, meanwhile, Joe Scarborough, of course, went on the air last night, and he pointed out that Lori Clausitis, that's the name of the intern who died, that she was a lifelong Republican and faithful Catholic.

00:42:58.000 Like Scarborough, you can hate Scarborough, but Scarborough ain't wrong about this.

00:43:01.000 A good woman, a young woman's desire to do something good for the country that she has loved.

00:43:14.000 Has led first to people on the far left on the internet sullying her name. 0.61

00:43:18.000 And then a Republican senatorial candidate years later sullying her name. 0.98

00:43:24.000 And then people on the far left later sullying her name.

00:43:32.000 And now the president of the United States sullying this good woman's name. 0.82

00:43:43.000 Okay, so we can point out all this is bad.

00:43:44.000 That's okay.

00:43:45.000 You're allowed.

00:43:46.000 You're allowed.

00:43:46.000 Doesn't mean you have to vote for Biden.

00:43:48.000 Doesn't mean you have to not vote for Trump.

00:43:49.000 You're allowed to say this is bad stuff.

00:43:51.000 But commitment signaling means you must never, ever do that.

00:43:54.000 Meanwhile, Twitter itself is engaged in commitment signaling.

00:43:56.000 So Twitter has to demonstrate to the left that they really, really hate Trump.

00:43:59.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:44:00.000 If you're on the left, I don't know why in the world you'd want Trump's Twitter voice silenced. 0.99

00:44:04.000 Seriously, if you're on the left, what you want is Trump tweeting this crap every single day. 0.99

00:44:07.000 Like, Joe Biden is celebrating. 0.99

00:44:08.000 He's doing a little dance, or as much as he can pick his feet up off the ground these days, he's doing a little dance in his basement every time Trump does this sort of stuff.

00:44:15.000 But the media yesterday were suggesting that Trump should be removed from Twitter.

00:44:18.000 Don Lemon was suggesting that Twitter is a cesspool that has not held Trump accountable.

00:44:24.000 Again, it's not Twitter's job to hold Trump accountable.

00:44:27.000 Guess whose job that is?

00:44:28.000 That's everybody else's job.

00:44:30.000 Just like they hold Joe Biden accountable.

00:44:31.000 But, again, it's commitment signaling.

00:44:33.000 You can't just say that Trump did a bad thing.

00:44:35.000 You have to demonstrate how committed you are to hating Trump by saying that Trump should be removed from Twitter.

00:44:39.000 So this is where the media, again, blow it.

00:44:40.000 So everybody's blowing it on all sides.

00:44:42.000 It's unbelievable.

00:44:43.000 Nobody has fundamental sejel.

00:44:45.000 Nobody has any common sense.

00:44:47.000 Sejel is the Yiddish word for common sense.

00:44:48.000 Nobody has any common sense at all.

00:44:49.000 So you get the members of the media who are pro-free speech.

00:44:51.000 Everybody gets to speak their opinion.

00:44:53.000 Except for Trump.

00:44:54.000 If he says a crappy thing, you should ban him from Twitter.

00:44:56.000 Why?

00:44:57.000 How would that make things better, to ban him from Twitter?

00:45:00.000 I mean, it gives Don Lemon something to talk about.

00:45:02.000 And by the way, I think the American people are smart enough to figure out whether they like Trump's Twitter or not.

00:45:05.000 Here's Don Lemon yesterday.

00:45:08.000 Stop companies like Jack Dorsey.

00:45:11.000 Stop hiding behind the First Amendment for profit.

00:45:17.000 Stop doing it.

00:45:18.000 Do the right thing.

00:45:22.000 Stop allowing families like this family to have to go through this, to grieve their loved one over and over and over and over again.

00:45:30.000 So they are letting the president use their platform to drag us all right into the mud.

00:45:39.000 Letting him get away with it.

00:45:40.000 No, no, no, no.

00:45:41.000 Okay, so this is the media just being terrible at their job.

00:45:43.000 So Twitter, of course, because they too have to commitment signal.

00:45:46.000 They have to signal their commitment to fighting Trump.

00:45:49.000 So how do they do that?

00:45:50.000 Do they do that by taking down his tweets about the Scarborough intern?

00:45:52.000 No.

00:45:53.000 Instead, they decide they're going to put fact checks on his tweets.

00:45:55.000 Not only are they going to put fact checks on his tweets, they're going to be wrong.

00:45:58.000 Okay, so yesterday, Twitter, according to Reuters, for the first time prompted readers to check the fact in tweets sent by President Trump, warning readers his claims about mail-in ballots were false and had been debunked by fact checkers.

00:46:10.000 The blue exclamation mark notification prompted readers to get the facts about mail-in ballots and directed them to a page with news articles and information from fact-checkers about his claims.

00:46:18.000 Trump had claimed in tweets earlier in the day mail-in ballots would be substantially fraudulent and result in rigged elections.

00:46:23.000 He singled out the governor of California over the issue.

00:46:25.000 Twitter said this was the very first time it had applied a label to a tweet by the president under its new misleading information policy, which had been introduced earlier in the month.

00:46:33.000 There's only one problem.

00:46:34.000 There's only one problem.

00:46:36.000 They were wrong.

00:46:37.000 The fact check was incorrect.

00:46:38.000 According to Alipundit at Hot Air, instead of fact checking like he killed his intern routine, they decided to fact check the mail-in ballot stuff.

00:46:47.000 And they're wrong!

00:46:48.000 Okay, click the fact-check link in the tweets.

00:46:50.000 According to Alipundit, you're sent to a page which claims, among other things, that fact-checkers say there's no evidence mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.

00:46:56.000 That is not true.

00:46:57.000 As per an NPR story from early April, election experts say Trump is partially correct that there is slightly more fraud in mail voting than in in-person voting.

00:47:05.000 The same experts told NPR election fraud is extremely rare in all instances.

00:47:10.000 But it is not true that there's no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.

00:47:12.000 In fact, yesterday, yesterday, there was an actual case filed by the U.S.

00:47:17.000 Attorney for the Northern District of West Virginia, in which a letter carrier was charged with election fraud related to mail-in requests for primary ballots.

00:47:24.000 Yesterday, the mail-in primary ballot requests appeared to have been part of a state plan to send absentee ballot requests to everyone in West Virginia during the novel coronavirus pandemic.

00:47:32.000 The postman defendant, Thomas Cooper, faces one count.

00:47:37.000 That's according to court documents obtained by Law and Crime.

00:47:39.000 He even admitted to altering some of the requests.

00:47:42.000 So at the same time that Twitter is claiming that there's no evidence of mail-in ballots being fraudulently used or obtained, the federal government is filing a case against somebody for doing just that.

00:47:50.000 So Twitter's fact-checking.

00:47:51.000 Again, everybody's incompetent. 0.98

00:47:53.000 Everybody's terrible.

00:47:55.000 Twitter is fact-checking and using the wrong facts, which is incredible.

00:47:57.000 By the way, if you're going to fact-check things, it turns out that Twitter needs to fact-check its own site integrity head.

00:48:04.000 There's a person named Yoel Roth.

00:48:05.000 He is the head of Twitter's fact-checking team.

00:48:08.000 There's only one problem.

00:48:09.000 Yoel Roth has tweeted about how Trump was a Nazi.

00:48:13.000 He suggested that he is Joseph Goebbels.

00:48:16.000 He compared Kellyanne Conway to Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist.

00:48:21.000 So are they going to fact-check his tweets?

00:48:23.000 So, obviously, this opened the way to President Trump going after Twitter.

00:48:27.000 So now we have Trump versus Twitter, which again is a better battle for Trump than Trump versus Joe Scarborough's dead intern.

00:48:32.000 But does it lead to any sort of principled outcome?

00:48:35.000 No.

00:48:35.000 Now we're going to get commitment signaling on behalf of Trump that is anti-free speech, which is just Mind-boggling.

00:48:41.000 So Trump is objecting to the fact that people are saying that people should take down his tweets or fact-check his tweets.

00:48:46.000 I agree.

00:48:46.000 Twitter should not be fact-checking his tweets.

00:48:48.000 If you want to fact-check his tweets, you have the Google machine.

00:48:50.000 Do it yourself.

00:48:51.000 If you want to check the fact-checkers, the fact-checkers have all the information out there.

00:48:54.000 People are tweeting about it.

00:48:55.000 That's what Twitter is for.

00:48:56.000 It's a fulsome engagement with various points of view.

00:48:59.000 But President Trump responds to this by saying, you're trying to censor me on Twitter?

00:49:02.000 Well, what if I just shut down Twitter entirely?

00:49:06.000 What if I, President of the United States, simply shut down the social media company?

00:49:09.000 We saw what they attempted to do and failed in 2016.

00:49:11.000 that social media platforms totally silence conservative voices.

00:49:13.000 We will strongly regulate or close them down before we can ever allow this to happen.

00:49:18.000 We saw what they attempted to do and failed in 2016.

00:49:20.000 We can't let a more sophisticated version of that happen again.

00:49:24.000 Just like we can't let large-scale mail-in ballots take root in our country.

00:49:27.000 It would be a free-for-all on cheating, forgery, and the theft of ballots.

00:49:30.000 Whoever cheated the most would win.

00:49:31.000 Likewise, social media.

00:49:32.000 Clean up your act now.

00:49:33.000 So now he's threatening as President of the United States to take down Twitter.

00:49:37.000 To take down Facebook.

00:49:39.000 And by the way, he's doubling down on it again.

00:49:42.000 This morning, he's just on a rampage on all of this.

00:49:44.000 And now, in order to demonstrate your commitment, to demonstrate your commitment, it is now necessary that you back President Trump basically calling for the end of social media.

00:49:57.000 He says, Twitter has now shown that everything we've been saying about them and their other compatriots is correct.

00:50:01.000 Big action to follow.

00:50:03.000 Okay, now I agree that Twitter is really biased.

00:50:05.000 I agree that Jack Dorsey is a terrible CEO.

00:50:07.000 I agree with all of those things.

00:50:09.000 I don't know why it's the role of the government to shut down Twitter.

00:50:12.000 That seems like a very dangerous thing.

00:50:13.000 Does it not to you?

00:50:14.000 How would you like the idea of the left just shutting down talk radio because they don't like the voices that are being disseminated on it?

00:50:20.000 Or how would you like the return of the Fairness Doctrine?

00:50:22.000 What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

00:50:25.000 By the way, Trump again this morning was going after Joe Scarborough. 1.00

00:50:28.000 He's a psycho. 0.99

00:50:28.000 Joe Scarborough is rattled. 0.99

00:50:30.000 Not only by his bad ratings, but all of the things and facts that are coming out on the internet about opening a cold case.

00:50:34.000 He knows what is happening.

00:50:36.000 What the actual... What the actual... 1.00

00:50:40.000 Okay, everything is terrible, everything is stupid, and everyone is stupid. 1.00

00:50:43.000 This is the short conclusion. 1.00

00:50:45.000 Also, do not be a commitment signaler.

00:50:47.000 Instead, signal virtue.

00:50:49.000 Or just be virtuous.

00:50:50.000 You're not signaling anything.

00:50:50.000 How about that?

00:50:51.000 Just be virtuous.

00:50:52.000 Just be decent.

00:50:53.000 Why is any of this difficult?

00:50:54.000 I'm so confused as to why any of this is difficult.

00:50:56.000 Be responsible. 0.99

00:50:57.000 Don't be a jackass. 0.99

00:50:58.000 Really, not hard. 0.99

00:51:00.000 Stick to a commitment to principles, not a commitment to follow a particular person down the primrose path or follow a particular cause so far that you are indecent and nasty in pursuing it.

00:51:12.000 But apparently, again, it's never about the truth anymore, never about decency.

00:51:17.000 Okay, time for a bevy of things that I hate.

00:51:20.000 Alrighty, so a variable cornucopia of things that I hate today.

00:51:29.000 So many things to hate.

00:51:30.000 So, President Trump announced today that the United States is going to be bringing back our soldiers from Afghanistan.

00:51:36.000 So that means we've been there for 19 years and the Taliban is going to take over. 0.83

00:51:39.000 So that went great.

00:51:40.000 So I'm glad that we went into Afghanistan to stop the Taliban from taking over because the Taliban had provided a safe haven for Al Qaeda, which resulted in 9-11. 0.91

00:51:49.000 And now, we are just going to hand the country back to the Taliban, is apparently the plan. 0.88

00:51:52.000 So that's really bad stuff.

00:51:54.000 I know a lot of people are saying that war is useless, that that war is not a good idea, and that war has been a failure.

00:52:00.000 The reality is that terrorism from Afghanistan has radically reduced since we took the Taliban out of place, simply putting the Taliban back in. 0.51

00:52:08.000 is full-on crazy.

00:52:10.000 I mean, and that's basically what we are talking about doing right now.

00:52:14.000 I'm old enough to remember when everybody sort of agreed that that was the good war, that the good war was fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

00:52:20.000 Iraq was the bad war, right? 0.99

00:52:22.000 Because there was no terrorism coming from Iraq and the WMD and all of that. 0.95

00:52:25.000 But now the idea is that Afghanistan is the bad war.

00:52:29.000 According to the New York Times, senior military officials are set to brief President Trump in the coming days on options for pulling all of American troops out of Afghanistan with one possible timeline for withdrawing forces before the presidential election, according to officials with knowledge of the plans.

00:52:41.000 Now remember, this was Barack Obama's policy, and I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were like, wait, you're handing the country back to the Taliban?

00:52:47.000 That seems like a bad idea.

00:52:48.000 I'm old enough to remember when people were angry that Obama was negotiating directly with the Taliban via Kuwait.

00:52:53.000 I'm old enough to remember that because I'm more than five years old.

00:52:57.000 But apparently when Trump does it, it's now okay.

00:52:59.000 It is not okay.

00:53:00.000 It is bad. 1.00

00:53:01.000 It is stupid. 1.00

00:53:02.000 The fact is, General David Petraeus suggests that you at least have to keep a skeleton force on the ground to prevent the fall of the government and the restoration of the evil Taliban regime, which would immediately become a safe haven for terrorism again. 0.99

00:53:12.000 They plan to propose and advocate a slower withdrawal schedule.

00:53:15.000 But, again, when you present Trump with a fast schedule and a slow schedule, likely that Trump takes the fast schedule.

00:53:20.000 In recent months, Trump has repeatedly voiced a desire to leave Afghanistan sooner than the timeline laid out in the February 29th peace agreement with the Taliban, which stipulated that U.S.

00:53:28.000 troops would leave in 12 to 14 months if the insurgent group met certain conditions.

00:53:31.000 The Pentagon is expected to try and persuade the president that he should basically take this a lot slower.

00:53:38.000 The debate highlights the mounting difficulty facing the February agreement.

00:53:41.000 Political strife and bloody Taliban attacks have derailed what little progress has been made since the deal signing, because it turns out that the Taliban have no intention of keeping to the deal.

00:53:49.000 The Taliban intend on fully coming in and just murdering everybody who cooperated with the United States, which would just be another wonderful example of the United States interfering in the Middle East with good intentions and then basically leaving people to die, which is exactly what the United States did to the Kurds in 1991 after the Gulf War. 0.74

00:54:05.000 It was really great.

00:54:07.000 I don't know, honestly, if you're a person who is fighting tyranny on the ground in any of these countries, can you trust the United States if the United States simply withdraws and just lets you take the hit?

00:54:16.000 I'm not sure why people would do this.

00:54:18.000 That's what Vietnam was too, by the way.

00:54:20.000 It was about literally hundreds of thousands and millions of people cooperating with the United States, the United States leaving, and those people just being left to the tender mercies of the Viet Cong. 0.97

00:54:28.000 It turns out that where America's boots go, liberty follows.

00:54:31.000 And where America's boots withdraw, liberty recedes.

00:54:34.000 At least before you've established something that is workable.

00:54:37.000 And we're not talking about hundreds of thousands of troops in Afghanistan right now.

00:54:40.000 We're talking about maintaining a status quo.

00:54:43.000 And that's kind of important.

00:54:45.000 It is.

00:54:46.000 I understand that everybody wants the troops home.

00:54:47.000 I would love the troops home too.

00:54:49.000 It's not that anybody's a warmonger here.

00:54:51.000 Nobody's in favor of starting a new war.

00:54:53.000 Nobody's talking about ramping up the troop presence to hundreds of thousands of troops.

00:54:56.000 But to remove all tenuous gains that have been made in Afghanistan in order to signal to the American public that you're tired of this is not actually good policy, whether, again, if it were Barack Obama, I would be saying exactly the same thing, and I did. 0.89

00:55:08.000 You can go back and listen to it.

00:55:10.000 And so there's that.

00:55:10.000 Meanwhile, on foreign policy, the State Department is announcing, Mike Pompeo has announced that Hong Kong can no longer be considered separate and autonomous from China, which basically means that China has now taken over Hong Kong.

00:55:23.000 Which is an incredible demonstration that when the West does not stand up to tyranny, then the tyrants take over.

00:55:30.000 According to Bloomberg, the U.S. has certified that Hong Kong is no longer politically autonomous from China, a move that could have far-reaching consequences on the special trading status the former British colony has with the United States.

00:55:40.000 According to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, this, of course, comes in the aftermath of the Chinese government using the pandemic as an excuse to go in and quash all dissent inside Hong Kong.

00:55:49.000 It comes after 20 years of the Chinese government basically violating every, abrogating every element of the treaty that it had with the British government.

00:55:56.000 The British government withdrew from Hong Kong in 1997.

00:55:58.000 The basic deal was that Hong Kong would still be allowed to have an autonomous government, even if it worked in close cooperation with the Chinese.

00:56:04.000 It would be allowed domestic rule.

00:56:06.000 And instead, the Chinese government just ignored it, and they understood that there would be no consequences for doing so, because what exactly was Britain going to do?

00:56:13.000 Reoccupy? 0.94

00:56:15.000 This is why it is always and invariably an idiotic idea to withdraw from places in favor of a tyrannical regime and trust that their commitments are going to be kept. 0.98

00:56:23.000 So the people of Hong Kong have now been put directly under the thumb of the Chinese government. 0.97

00:56:26.000 If you have any sympathy for the people of Hong Kong, you should recognize how evil it is what the Chinese government is doing. 1.00

00:56:33.000 I mean, Hong Kong no longer being politically autonomous from China is...

00:56:37.000 The people in Taiwan have to be looking over their shoulders at this point, right? 0.94

00:56:40.000 I mean, China claims sovereignty over Taiwan.

00:56:43.000 Taiwan is a United States ally.

00:56:46.000 And the Chinese government's been threatening Hong Kong continuously.

00:56:50.000 So China continues, even as they unleashed a pandemic on the rest of the world, they continue to exacerbate their political control over the region. 0.93

00:56:58.000 There better be some harsh consequences here.

00:57:00.000 And I mean serious economic harsh consequences against the government of China.

00:57:04.000 And if the media feel the necessity to back China just because President Trump is anti-China, I think they are demonstrating full scale their actual priorities.

00:57:12.000 Okay, other things that I hate today.

00:57:14.000 So I guess that we are now going to reduce everything to the racial because again, very important to signal your commitment to particular causes.

00:57:25.000 As I've said yesterday, when it came to issues of race, I think that we can all agree that racism still exists in the United States, that instances of racism are evil, that we can all condemn them, and that we should all be on the same side when it comes to this sort of stuff.

00:57:37.000 It is also true that we are now doing a routine where we are in hunt for instances of racism.

00:57:41.000 Now, instances of racism absolutely exist.

00:57:45.000 That situation in Central Park looked like an instance of racism.

00:57:48.000 It did.

00:57:49.000 We've had shootings and killings that have looked like instances of racism.

00:57:53.000 You know what doesn't seem like an instance of racism to me?

00:57:56.000 Jimmy Fallon dressing up as Chris Rock in 2000 on SNL.

00:57:59.000 I'm sorry, it doesn't.

00:58:00.000 It doesn't seem like an instance of racism.

00:58:01.000 You know who else it didn't seem like an instance of racism to?

00:58:04.000 Anyone at SNL or anyone for the prior 20 years.

00:58:07.000 It turns out, by the way, that if you don't like Jimmy Fallon dressing up as Chris Rock, then you should also not like Jimmy Kimmel dressing up as Karl Malone.

00:58:15.000 But Jimmy Kimmel is the woke pope, and so he is granted absolution, despite the fact that, by the way, Jimmy Fallon's impression of Chris Rock was significantly less offensive than Jimmy Fallon's impression of Karl Malone. 0.99

00:58:26.000 His impression of Karl Malone was basically playing Karl Malone as a stereotypical, ugly, awful, dumb... I mean, it was really bad. 0.97

00:58:35.000 It was really bad.

00:58:36.000 Go back and watch the Jimmy Kimmel tape.

00:58:37.000 That one actually looks a lot more racist.

00:58:39.000 The Jimmy Fallon one, he's playing Chris Rock.

00:58:41.000 And again, I think it's important to recognize here that there are in fact gradations.

00:58:44.000 Juan Williams told me this on the show a couple of years ago when we discussed this, and he was right.

00:58:49.000 There are gradations in terms of how bad it is to dress up as a black person, right? 0.99

00:58:53.000 There is dressing up in full-scale blackface, stereotypical fashion, 1920s, you're mocking black people as Shiftless and dumb and all that's ugly and horrifying and has a history in slavery and Jim Crow and all of that. 0.97

00:59:05.000 And then there is, you dressed up as Michael Jackson in 1987 because you like Michael Jackson music. 0.93

00:59:09.000 And that is not the same thing.

00:59:10.000 It's not.

00:59:11.000 You may think that that's insensitive.

00:59:13.000 Okay.

00:59:14.000 And in today's day and world, I wouldn't do it.

00:59:16.000 I don't think people should do it.

00:59:17.000 It's insensitive.

00:59:18.000 Not the same thing for Jimmy Fallon to dress up as Chris Rock, a specific human being with whom he is friends, again, and to treat that as though he was dressed up in quote-unquote blackface.

00:59:27.000 That's not the same thing.

00:59:28.000 Jimmy Fallon said, in 2000 while on SNL, I made a terrible decision to do an impersonation of Chris Rock while on blackface.

00:59:33.000 There's no excuse for this.

00:59:34.000 Again, Blackface has an actual meaning, and putting on black makeup is not the same as blackface. 0.96

00:59:41.000 Blackface has an actual meaning, and that was to dress up as a black person in order to mock black people in stereotypical, awful, and evil ways. 0.81

00:59:50.000 That's not what Jimmy Fallon was doing when he dressed up as Chris Rock.

00:59:52.000 He says, I'm very sorry for making this unquestionably offensive decision.

00:59:55.000 Thank you, all of you, for holding me accountable.

00:59:57.000 This is what we have to do.

00:59:58.000 We have to do struggle sessions to demonstrate full-on commitment to the cause at this point, instead of him basically saying the same thing that Sarah Silverman said.

01:00:05.000 By the way, try and spot a comedian in the last 20 years who didn't do this.

01:00:09.000 Seriously, in the last 30 years.

01:00:11.000 Sarah Silverman did it, Jimmy Kimmel did it, Jimmy Fallon did it.

01:00:14.000 That should speak to how it was perceived at the time, and it was not perceived as mocking black people, because guess what?

01:00:18.000 Racism was not in vogue in 2000.

01:00:20.000 It wasn't.

01:00:22.000 Okay, meanwhile, if you want to talk about actual instances where race becomes an issue, then we can talk about this situation in Minneapolis.

01:00:30.000 So, if you haven't seen this awful, awful tape, it really is bad. 0.92

01:00:33.000 There's a tape of police officers on the neck of a black perpetrator. 0.66

01:00:40.000 The perpetrator apparently was doing some sort of forgery and they caught him doing a forgery in progress.

01:00:44.000 I don't even know how you do that.

01:00:46.000 Okay, but in any case, there's a forgery being reported.

01:00:48.000 This guy was in his car.

01:00:49.000 He apparently was committing the forgery.

01:00:50.000 Then he got out of the car, and he confronted the cops, and he was resisting arrest.

01:00:54.000 Okay, so at this point, you subdue the person, and then you put them in the paddy wagon, and you take them to jail, right?

01:00:58.000 I mean, that's normally how this works.

01:00:59.000 Instead, a police officer decided it would be a great idea to kneel on the back of the neck of the person.

01:01:05.000 And then the person died because it turns out that you're not supposed to kneel on the back of other human beings.

01:01:09.000 Now, a couple of things. 0.99

01:01:10.000 As I always say, proof of incompetence, stupidity, and evil does not mean proof of racism. 0.99

01:01:17.000 And there was a case out here in California, very, very famous case in California, not famous nationwide, in which there was a white homeless man. 0.99

01:01:25.000 His first name was Kelly, and I forget his last name.

01:01:29.000 And he was basically beaten to death by the police.

01:01:32.000 He was a white homeless guy.

01:01:33.000 He was quasi-resisting arrest, but not really.

01:01:36.000 They started wailing on him, and he died from it.

01:01:40.000 And this was not considered a nationwide story, specifically because it was about police brutality and cruelty and incompetence, and it wasn't about racism.

01:01:49.000 When, if he had been black, then the story would have been racism.

01:01:52.000 So, the guy's name was Kelly Thomas.

01:01:55.000 That's right, Kelly Thomas.

01:01:56.000 I remember, it's a big story out here.

01:01:57.000 Okay, that was not considered a name worth remembering, obviously, because he was white. 0.90

01:02:02.000 Now, the question in this particular case in Minneapolis is whether this is just police incompetence or whether the police officer was just a vicious racist who decided to kill this guy because he was black or took less of a care about him because he was black. 0.92

01:02:13.000 And there were riots last night in Minneapolis. 0.51

01:02:15.000 The Minneapolis mayor, Men went out there and used language that was extraordinarily highly charged.

01:02:21.000 He suggested being black shouldn't be a death sentence. 0.65

01:02:23.000 I'm not aware that being black is a death sentence in the United States. 0.90

01:02:25.000 In fact, statistically speaking, it is absolutely not a death sentence in the United States. 0.92

01:02:29.000 But because every instance of awful police work in which there's a white police officer and a black person has to be perceived as an indicator of broad-based American racism and not as an indicator of police officer sucking at their job.

01:02:41.000 And I know lots of police officers who would look at this and be absolutely horrified on every level.

01:02:46.000 But instead, this turns into a racial debate, even though, again, there's not evidence that this was a racial killing, as opposed to the police officer's just a bad, bad person at his job, at the very least.

01:02:57.000 Being black in America should not be a death sentence. 0.74

01:03:01.000 For five minutes, we watched as a white officer pressed his knee into the neck of a black man. 0.99

01:03:15.000 For five minutes. 0.84

01:03:16.000 When you hear someone calling for help, you are supposed to help.

01:03:25.000 Okay.

01:03:27.000 This officer failed in the most basic human sense.

01:03:34.000 Okay, he did fail in the most basic human sense.

01:03:36.000 That doesn't necessarily mean this thing was motivated by racism.

01:03:38.000 The only reason that I point this out is that it sort of seems important that if you're going to suggest that race is the motivating factor, you provide some evidence that race is the motivating factor.

01:03:48.000 I sort of like claims that are backed by evidence.

01:03:50.000 Also, Worthy of note, is there a single human being on planet Earth, well on planet Earth, in America? 0.59

01:03:56.000 Are there very many human beings? 0.99

01:03:57.000 There's some overt racists, people really hate black people. 0.79

01:04:00.000 But, are there very many human beings in the United States, who if they found out that this guy murdered a black man in cold blood because he was a racist, wouldn't want this guy put on the electric chair? 0.72

01:04:09.000 Seriously, who's out there who doesn't feel that way?

01:04:11.000 But there's an attempt right now to suggest that America, again, is rooted in racism and viciousness.

01:04:16.000 Gayle King, who, again, she's the anchor at CBS this morning, she suggested that basically it is open season on black men after racial incidents.

01:04:27.000 It's open season. 0.93

01:04:28.000 It is not open season on black men in America. 0.97

01:04:30.000 It is not.

01:04:31.000 And if there's a racist incident, we should all be on the same side.

01:04:34.000 This is the commitment signaling.

01:04:35.000 The commitment to the narrative that America is deeply racist in every way and every individual instance, every anecdotal piece of evidence, not data, not like broad-based data that's statistical in nature.

01:04:44.000 Every anecdotal piece of evidence is evidence of that broad-based narrative.

01:04:47.000 That is signaling your commitment to the narrative.

01:04:49.000 It is not necessarily signaling your commitment to the truth.

01:04:52.000 I want truth and I want evidence and I think that once the evidence comes out we can all be on the same side because I think that at root we all have the same belief system here.

01:04:58.000 The same belief system.

01:04:59.000 Racism is bad.

01:05:00.000 Police incompetence is bad.

01:05:01.000 Murder is bad.

01:05:02.000 I feel like we're all on the same page on these things.

01:05:05.000 But there's an attempt to rush out without the evidence.

01:05:08.000 And I feel like this is the case with so many of these instances.

01:05:11.000 And it's not just with regard to racism.

01:05:12.000 It seems like with regard to everything these days, there is a motivation to rush out and look at cases where there is a deliberate lack of full evidence, make claims that stretch the evidence in order to get to a conclusion, and then suggest that if you say, well, I need to wait for the evidence, that you are insufficiently committed to the cause.

01:05:29.000 That's a problem.

01:05:30.000 It's a problem, because it actually robs us of our ability to agree on things that we all agree on.

01:05:34.000 Again, I think we all agree, racism bad, murder bad, police incompetence bad, right?

01:05:37.000 We all agree on these things.

01:05:38.000 But, if you pick instances where the evidence is not fully in on the racism aspect, and you then immediately call everybody who says, I'd like to see the evidence on that, insufficiently committed to the anti-racist cause, what you're actually incentivizing is acting without evidence in order to signal your commitment.

01:05:57.000 Commitment signaling needs to end, because if you are so committed to commitment, maybe you should be committed.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 27, 2020

The Man In The Cloth Mask | Ep. 1019

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