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00:01:57.000And to put that even more into contrast, The number of Americans who die on a normal day is about 7,500 Americans dying on a normal day.
00:02:04.000So, with COVID-19, during the heat of this thing, when it was really just running roughshod through New York, you were increasing the death rate across the country by something like one-third.
00:02:16.000And you were seeing in New York, specifically, people dying at a rate of like four to five times what they were normally dying of in New York.
00:02:23.000700 people a day dying across the United States.
00:02:26.000It sounds bad, and it is bad, obviously.
00:02:28.000It's a lot of people, but In comparison to the number of people who die daily in the United States generally, it is certainly not on the order of what it was.
00:03:18.000The flu rate is 0.1% generally for all American populations.
00:03:22.000Not sure what it is for people under 50.
00:03:24.000Presumably it'd be a lot lower than that, but this is not an extraordinarily dangerous virus if you are under the age of 50, particularly if you don't have a significant underlying condition like diabetes or severe obesity.
00:03:34.000If you are 50 to 64 years old, it is a 0.2% fatality rate.
00:03:36.000If you're 65 plus years old, it is 1.3% fatality rate.
00:03:42.000And again, that includes everybody who's above the age of 80, where the fatality rate is greatly increased.
00:03:47.000Overall, they are saying now that the case fatality rate is 0.4% or about four times as deadly as the flu, which again is a far cry from what was originally planned.
00:03:55.000I've been saying this for months, by the way, right?
00:03:59.000that I thought the actual case fatality rate on this thing was somewhere between 0.2% and 0.6%.
00:04:03.000Turns out it's dead in the middle, 0.4%, according to the CDC.
00:04:06.000According to the CDC's current best estimate, the case fatality rate of coronavirus is 0.4%.
00:04:11.000That's just among the symptomatic cases.
00:04:13.000The CDC estimates that that's 65% of all cases, which means that if actually the case fatality rate were to include all of the asymptomatic infections, even according to the CDC, it would be approximately 0.26%.
00:04:27.0000.26%, which is really, you know, that is optimistic, right?
00:04:57.000And this is why you are starting to see This move by various areas, including New York and L.A., toward reopening.
00:05:04.000Important thing to mention when it comes to viruses like this.
00:05:07.000There have been some theories out there, one from a Hebrew University scientist who suggested that viruses tend to burn themselves out.
00:05:13.000This tends to be true, that the most virulent strain of a virus burn their way through a population, and then you get sort of weaker strains of the virus that continue to linger on in the population for a long period of time.
00:05:22.000Theoretically, that could be happening here.
00:05:25.000But bottom line is that everybody now recognizes that We cannot remain in lockdown like this, not on the basis of these statistics.
00:05:31.000This is why in Los Angeles County, which has been one of the most locked down places in America, Supervisor Catherine Barger announced that L.A.
00:05:38.000County has now achieved readiness criteria and will apply for a variance with the state of California tomorrow.
00:05:42.000If granted, the variance from the state public health order will allow L.A.
00:05:46.000County to advance further in Stage 2 and into Stage 3 of the state's roadmap to recovery.
00:05:51.000What that means is that the county is moving toward additional steps, meaning the immediate reopening of in-person shopping and houses of worship.
00:05:58.000That doesn't mean there won't be social distancing and mask wearing.
00:06:28.000De Blasio said at a press conference the city will have about 180 testing sites open by the end of June with the expectation to run about 50,000 coronavirus tests daily by August 1st.
00:06:36.000A June 1st goal to hire 1,000 contact tracers has already been met and exceeded.
00:06:40.000Some 700 of those workers are based in the city's hardest hit communities and speak some 40 different languages.
00:06:44.000de Blasio says hundreds of thousands of people will need to use mass transit in the initial phase of the reopening, which allows construction, manufacturing and retail for curbside pickup.
00:06:52.000Officials are trying to determine how exactly they can operate the subways and the buses without overcrowding.
00:06:56.000But the bottom line is that even New York City is now moving toward reopening.
00:07:00.000And it's happening in New Jersey as well.
00:07:03.000According to reporter Carl Quintanilla at CNBC, he points out that 13 states have been open for more than three weeks now.
00:07:10.000Those states have now seen daily cases fall 29%, 29% over the prior three weeks, which is kind of incredible because you'd expect actually the number of cases to be upticking, not downticking, right?
00:07:22.000As the number of people out in public rises, you would expect, again, that kind of spike again, but we are not really seeing that spike again.
00:07:29.000In fact, we are seeing a declining rate of positivity across the country.
00:07:34.000Father John Jenkins, who's the president of the University of Notre Dame, he is suggesting that it is time to reopen Notre Dame as a school.
00:07:43.000He says that we are announcing plans to return students to campus for the fall semester in order to reduce the chances that students from around the country and the world with multiple departures and returns will carry pathogens with them, will bring students back two weeks early, forego a fall break and finish the semester before Thanksgiving, they'll conduct orientations to welcome them back in the COVID-19 era, They'll institute extensive protocols for testing, contact tracing, and quarantining, preventive measures such as hand-washing, physical distancing, and in certain settings, the wearing of masks.
00:08:09.000In certain settings is the key, right?
00:08:10.000Athletic competition provides another set of challenges.
00:08:13.000They believe that they can keep student-athletes safe.
00:08:16.000Fans in the stadium is going to be a different question.
00:08:19.000But bottom line again is that the reason markets are optimistic right now is because people are looking at reopening.
00:08:25.000And the reopening is going to be more swift than I think people think it's going to be.
00:08:28.000Because once you allow people out, people are going to want to hang out with each other.
00:08:32.000People are willing to undertake the risk once they become comfortable that we're not spiking over the healthcare system.
00:08:36.000Once they become comfortable that this is not looking like Italy, people may continue to wear masks.
00:08:40.000I can tell you in LA, people are still wearing masks.
00:08:44.000I know there are a lot of people on the right who believe that masks are terrible, horrible, no good, very bad things.
00:08:49.000I disagree with this on a general level.
00:08:51.000I think that the science disagrees with this.
00:08:53.000The bottom line is that people get this from droplets and from prolonged close contact with the other human beings who have this sort of thing.
00:09:00.000If you are in a closed area with another person within six feet of that person, you should be wearing a mask.
00:09:05.000If you are outside six feet of that person, then you probably should not be wearing a mask or it doesn't matter.
00:09:09.000If you're outdoors, it probably is not going to matter all that much unless you are in extremely, extremely close contact.
00:09:14.000Okay, so that's where I am on the mask wearing.
00:09:15.000We'll get into the mask wearing in just a second because this has become an issue of contention.
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00:10:37.000So there's been a lot of eagerness to reopen and the stock market is reflecting that.
00:10:42.000So I'm honestly bewildered by all the people who are bewildered by the stock market increase.
00:10:47.000The stock market is increasing because people are pricing the future into the present.
00:10:50.000This is exactly what stock markets do.
00:10:52.000Stock markets are designed to take all of the knowledge and speculation about the future and then to price that into the stock price.
00:10:58.000This is why insider trading is a crime.
00:11:00.000Because if you know what's going to happen two days from now, you can price that into how you consume particular stocks.
00:11:05.000So why is the stock market up some 35% since it hit the bottom?
00:11:09.000Well, because we know where the bottom was.
00:11:10.000We know that there's going to be a recovery.
00:11:12.000And people feel like they can buy low.
00:11:14.000I mean, I was buying stock during this time.
00:11:17.000I was telling people not to sell their stock during this time because there was going to be an increase in the stock market.
00:11:22.000Okay, but this has still led people who don't like President Trump to basically suggest that the stock market is delusional, that the stock market is disconnected from reality.
00:11:32.000The stock market tumbled from 30,000 to 18,000 during a government-mandated shutdown.
00:11:37.000Now, as that shutdown ends, people are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
00:11:40.000They're getting more optimistic, and they're investing in companies again, which makes perfect sense.
00:11:43.000Well, this led to a big blow-up this morning on CNBC.
00:11:46.000Andrew Ross Sorkin, who, nice guy, I'm pretty friendly with him, he got into a tiff ...with another person named Joe Kernan on CNBC who's been talking up the stock market and saying now's a pretty good time to buy, which is true.
00:11:58.000And Ross Sorkin basically suggests that if you're talking up the stock market right now, then this is because you are a shill for President Trump.
00:12:41.000The reason that people are talking up the stock market is because right now is actually a fairly good time to buy into the stock market.
00:12:47.000But, again, there's a narrative that has to be driven, which is that if you're optimistic about the future, it's because you are not taking the virus seriously.
00:12:55.000Or, there's another narrative that's going around now, and that narrative is that if you're in favor of ending lockdown, it's because you're vicious and cruel.
00:13:29.000No one was actually encouraging people to hang the governor in effigy.
00:13:33.000Here he was blaming Republicans for wanting to end the lockdown because supposedly this leads to people burning people in effigy.
00:13:39.000You cannot fan the flames and then condemn the fire.
00:13:46.000Those at the previous rally, those elected officials that embraced these individuals and that stood in front of people dressed in tactical gear and the rest and threw as much red meat as possible at them, they have to claim responsibility because they absolutely know what could have happened.
00:14:03.000And they are in part responsible for what they did.
00:14:08.000With that said, if you were in favor of ending the lockdowns, you're not responsible for some jackass being a jackass in front of a governor's house.
00:14:19.000Unless you're a Bernie Sanders supporter and you shoot up a bunch of Congress people, then obviously Bernie Sanders has nothing to do with it.
00:14:26.000Okay, so all of this is leading to the inevitable political conflict The political conflict is now going to be that Republicans supposedly don't take this thing seriously, and Democrats do take this thing seriously.
00:14:38.000What if I take this seriously, but I also understand the cost to lockdown?
00:14:41.000What if I take this seriously, but I also believe that America has to reopen?
00:14:45.000What if I take this seriously, but I believe that the individual Americans who live particularly in highly populous areas are generally responsible, and that you actually don't need every single American to be responsible in order to keep down the transmission of the virus?
00:14:56.000Because that actually happens to be the case.
00:14:58.000But this is pure binary politics because we always revert to pure binary politics when in doubt.
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00:16:56.000Okay, so this obviously was going to break down politically And it was going to break down politically because it turns out that when you look at the stats, it's fairly obvious who blew it and who didn't.
00:17:06.000And when you look at which governors performed well and which governors performed poorly, it is pretty obviously who did pretty well and who did pretty poorly.
00:17:13.000So President Trump highlighted this yesterday.
00:17:15.000He said, it's a disgrace how the governors handled nursing homes.
00:17:57.000Now, where the Democrats have opened up a gap is in the idea that Trump was unserious about this thing and that Democrats were serious about this thing, and this is why you're seeing Joe Biden.
00:18:06.000Trying to draw a contrast around the issue of mask wearing.
00:18:10.000Okay, so there's all sorts of conflict over whether masks should in fact be mandated or whether they should not.
00:18:15.000The reason it's a serious question is because if it's mandated by the state, that means the police can come and arrest you if you don't wear a mask.
00:18:20.000Or the police are going to tackle you.
00:18:21.000Now, we've seen in New York that Bill de Blasio is not willing to, you know, follow through on the courage of his convictions and actually have people tackled in the open because they're not wearing masks.
00:18:30.000Instead, it's sort of people going by and announcing that you should wear a mask or that you should socially distance.
00:18:34.000There are people on the right who are very much anti-mask because they believe that this leads to a perception of a new normal in which we are all expected to wear masks.
00:18:41.000I don't think anybody really believes that long term we're all going to be wearing masks.
00:18:44.000I think what people believe is that for the moment, in order to prevent the spike of the spread, in order for us to all get back to business, we should probably wear masks to protect the most vulnerable, particularly when the most vulnerable are there.
00:18:56.000According to CNN, as more places across the U.S.
00:18:58.000offer people a chance to shop or dine inside, the issue of whether to wear a mask has again become a flashpoint.
00:19:03.000There are 17 states where the number of coronavirus cases are trending up.
00:19:05.000Many governors have told citizens that now is an important time to wear a face covering.
00:19:09.000Virginia on Tuesday became the latest state to compel people to wear masks in certain situations.
00:19:12.000The rule applies to anyone 10 years of age or older within a public indoor space, according to Governor Ralph Northam.
00:19:18.000This, of course, came immediately after Ralph Northam was out in public with other people doing photo lines and not wearing a mask.
00:19:24.000The hypocrisy of our politicians is something to behold.
00:19:28.000The CDC recommends wearing a cloth face covering in public when it is hard to stay socially distant.
00:19:33.000Dr. Deborah Birx says what we have said to people is there's clear scientific evidence now by all droplet experiments that happen and that others have done to show a mask does prevent droplets from reaching others.
00:19:41.000We need to be wearing masks in public when we cannot social distance.
00:19:44.000But some Americans argue that this feels like a forfeiture of freedom.
00:19:48.000There are a bunch of people who are basically implying that wearing a mask is foolish or it's giving up basic American freedoms.
00:19:56.000I don't think that the state should be compelling you to wear a mask if you are out in public.
00:20:00.000But I do think that you are not being, how to put this, kind to others if you are in a place with vulnerable people and you're not wearing a mask.
00:20:08.000At the same time, if you're wearing a mask alone in your car, you're a moron.
00:20:11.000If you're wearing a mask alone in your car, you're stupid.
00:20:13.000If you're out in public and you're 100 feet away from everybody and you're wearing a mask, let's say you're at a Veterans Memorial in Delaware and you're within 50 feet of nobody and you're wearing a mask, that's just virtue signaling at this point.
00:20:23.000And this has become the point, is that Joe Biden wants to virtue signal.
00:20:28.000Because again, the idea here is that if he wears a mask and Donald Trump does not, it's because he takes this thing seriously, and Donald Trump does not.
00:20:35.000So yesterday, Biden tweeted out, just wear a mask.
00:20:38.000I mean, that's literally the entire tweet.
00:21:04.000Again, I've given you my perspective on masks, but there is a group of people who basically spend all day, and I know the term now on the internet has become Karening, like the basic idea is that you're going to go around and Karen at people.
00:21:14.000I mean, you're going to yell at people if they're not wearing a mask.
00:21:16.000And you're going to shame them and make them feel bad, even if they're not endangering anybody, because you're better than they are.
00:21:21.000It's just become another example of the sort of 1930s style.
00:21:36.000Hey, if you're not endangering anybody, you're not endangering anybody.
00:21:38.000And if you're young and healthy and you don't have this thing, then you're not endangering anybody.
00:21:42.000And no, President Trump really does not have to wear a mask because we know he doesn't have it.
00:21:45.000He's being tested like every single day.
00:21:47.000And he's the most monitored person on planet Earth.
00:21:50.000And also, he has apparently been wearing the mask behind the scenes when he has been in close contact with people.
00:21:56.000But on the one hand, you have the people who are like, if you don't wear a mask, you're a disloyal American, you're a very bad person.
00:22:01.000On the other hand, you have people who are like, I'm never wearing a mask ever because if I wear a mask, then it just shows that I'm bowing to government authority.
00:22:09.000How about you trust in Americans to be reasonable?
00:22:11.000This is why, as the social fabric has decayed, this gap really does demonstrate how people have filled the gap in social fabric with desire for government interventionism.
00:22:28.000In fact, our synagogue put out a statement yesterday about how they're going to reopen.
00:22:31.000And the way they're going to reopen is no kiddish, meaning that people are not going to be eating and drinking in buffet lines, that they are going to socially distance the table six feet, that you are supposed to wear a mask at all times during davening, right?
00:22:42.000All of these things are voluntarily being undertaken.
00:22:44.000They're not being undertaken as an aspect of the government ordering.
00:23:02.000What if what if the government should not be mandating the masks, but we should have a social fabric in which we trust each other enough not to be idiots to each other?
00:24:05.000The reason this is bad politics for Trump, and it's smart politics for Biden, honestly, is because particularly the soccer moms from 2004, the security moms, who are very worried about terrorism and therefore voted for George W. Bush, what makes them feel safer?
00:24:21.000A president who is taking seriously the virus to the extent that he's being over-serious, or a president who's being cavalier and treating it as a sign of masculinity.
00:24:28.000Like, just on a political level, this is not particularly smart.
00:24:31.000Like, so yesterday, President Trump was calling a reporter politically correct for wearing a mask.
00:24:35.000Now, he's not wrong that the reporter is virtue signaling by wearing a mask when the reporter is far away from everybody.
00:25:09.000Okay, so there's the president ripping into mask wearing.
00:25:13.000Why he would allow this to become political is beyond me.
00:25:15.000It's political malpractice, but we've seen a lot of political malpractice this week.
00:25:18.000By the way, the media are indeed hypocrites on this particular issue.
00:25:22.000The best clip of yesterday was an MSNBC reporter trying to shame people around him for not wearing masks, and a person in Wisconsin not wearing a mask immediately turns to him and says, your cameraman's not wearing a mask.
00:26:04.000I really feel like 85% of Americans are on the same page here, which is be responsible, socially distance, wear a mask when you have to, and get back to work.
00:26:41.000We're going to get to that in just one second.
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00:28:10.000And then her husband was like headed off to their second property and calling up calling up boathouses and telling him to load his boat into the lake for Memorial Day and all of this.
00:28:18.000And Gretchen Whitmer was trying to deny that yesterday.
00:28:20.000The very strict lockdown governor of Michigan who is cramming down all of her silly restrictions on the people of Michigan because she can't trust them, but she can trust her husband.
00:30:00.000Or is it just about commitment signaling?
00:30:02.000So a perfect example of commitment signaling happened yesterday online over this idiotic situation in Central Park.
00:30:09.000So there's a woman, her name is Amy Cooper, and she is apparently a lifelong Democrat.
00:30:13.000Which, by the way, you could absolutely tell from all of the outside indicators here.
00:30:17.000Because if you watch this little clip that went viral yesterday, And the day before, there's a woman named Amy Cooper, and then there's a dude named Christian Cooper.
00:30:26.000Okay, they're not related because one is white and one is black.
00:30:28.000And Amy Cooper is in the park, walking her dog through a place called the Ramble, which is apparently like this bird-watching sanctuary.
00:30:35.000And Christian Cooper gets mad because the dog is there.
00:30:39.000And Christian Cooper, according to his own account, basically says to the lady, put your dog on a leash.
00:30:44.000And she says, I don't want to put the dog on a leash, because they've shut down all of the areas where my dog can run around.
00:30:48.000And he says, well, if you don't put your dog on the leash, if you're going to do what you're going to do, then I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and you're not going to like it.
00:30:55.000I mean, that doesn't sound exactly like he's going to pet the dog, does it?
00:30:58.000OK, and then he signals that her dog should come over, and he takes some doggy treats out of his pocket.
00:31:02.000Now, he doesn't have a dog, and he's taking doggy treats out of his pocket.
00:31:04.000At that point, she loses it, and she says a racist thing.
00:31:07.000She says, I'm going to call up the NYPD.
00:31:08.000I'm going to tell them an African-American man is threatening my life.
00:31:11.000Not sure why exactly the race is relevant there, except that, as a good liberal who gave money to Barack Obama, she probably thinks the NYPD are a bunch of vicious racists who are gonna come and shoot the black guy, right?
00:31:20.000That is probably the underlying message there.
00:31:22.000So, she says the racist thing, then she calls the cops, and she says, there's an African-American man threatening me, and then he takes this tape, and he puts it online.
00:31:53.000It was just your commitment to the clause.
00:31:54.000Now, getting her fired is not actually virtue.
00:31:57.000Having the woman's dog removed from her and getting her fired, that seems pretty crappy, honestly.
00:32:01.000Now, I'm not a dog owner, so I really can't speak to is she really mistreating the dog in the particular tape.
00:32:07.000She's holding the dog by the collar as it kind of struggles against her, so I don't know the answer to that.
00:32:11.000But, the idea that the woman ought to lose her job because there was a guy who took a video of her and he was not acting wonderfully and then she said something racist.
00:32:23.000And the answer is on Twitter and in social media and in our political lives right now, it's all about the level of commitment you're willing to signal.
00:32:30.000So it's not enough to just say, wow, this woman said a racist thing, that's bad.
00:32:33.000Instead it's, let's find her home address and let's send her mail.
00:32:38.000Let's go to her business and let's make sure she loses her job and her livelihood.
00:32:42.000Because I've demonstrated to all of you through my commitment to the cause, just how committed I am.
00:32:46.000And all it took was a few clicks of the keys and everything was great.
00:32:49.000My commitment signaling is super duper strong.
00:32:53.000According to the New York Times, the woman, this has now been viewed 30 million times, this video, touching off intense discussions about the history of false accusations made to the police against black people, sometimes putting their lives in danger.
00:33:06.000She has given up her dog, publicly apologized, and been fired from her job.
00:33:10.000Even Christian Cooper was like, I'm sorry that this has been the extent of the blowback.
00:33:14.000Christian Cooper was like, I feel like this is not actually the way this should have gone.
00:33:18.000He appeared with Anderson Cooper yesterday, or Don Lemon rather, and he was like, I feel like this is over the top, guys.
00:33:24.000All I meant to do was kind of shame the lady a little bit, and instead everybody decided to demonstrate their commitment by getting her fired.
00:33:30.000Some of the messaging I am told has been death threats.
00:33:33.000And that is wholly inappropriate and abhorrent and should stop immediately.
00:33:38.000I find it strange that people who were upset that they tried, as they see it and rightly, that she tried to bring death by cop down on my head would then turn around and try to put death threats on her head.
00:33:56.000Where does that make any kind of sense?
00:33:59.000Okay, by the way, the notion that she, in the actual call, there is a difference in what she says to him and what she says to the police.
00:34:06.000In the actual, you can see her make the police call.
00:34:08.000In the police call, she says, he's threatening my dog.
00:34:10.000In what she says to him is, you're threatening me.
00:34:11.000Okay, so presumably there'd be a difference in response by the police to those two things.
00:34:15.000But in any case, even he says, Christian Cooper, he says correctly, if our goal is to change the underlying factors, I'm not sure this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal.
00:34:47.000If you're committed to the cause to the extent that you're doing an immoral thing to demonstrate your commitment to the cause, then that just makes you a radical.
00:34:53.000And listen, extremism in pursuit of liberty is no vice, but extremism in the pursuit of stupidity is a definite vice.
00:35:00.000Extremism in the pursuit of demonstrating your commitment and loyalty to a particular cause without any decency attached to it doesn't make you a better person.
00:35:07.000You saw that happen in this case, and as we will see, This also happened with regard to Twitter and President Trump yesterday and it's just, it's ugly and it's dumb and it's all reactionary.
00:35:17.000We're gonna get to more of this in just one second.
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00:36:27.000Okay, so we're going to get to more of the commitment signaling that we are seeing across It's just, yeah, we're gonna get to that in just a second.
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00:38:24.000Okay, so when we talk about commitment signaling, that one aspect of commitment signaling is just doubling down on the stupid crap you've said before.
00:38:45.000And the way this works is that if the president, for example, if President Trump decides that he is just going to randomly accuse Joe Scarborough of murdering a Catholic Republican intern, Twenty years ago.
00:38:55.000And he's just going to go off on this thing.
00:39:38.000And if you have a hard time saying bad thing to do, bad thing to say, get your priorities straight.
00:39:41.000I'm not saying you can't vote for the man.
00:39:44.000I've said before, I'm intending on voting for him.
00:39:46.000But that is despite all this garbage, not because of all this garbage.
00:39:49.000But right now, the way this works is that if Trump says something unbelievably terrible about the Joe Scarborough intern situation, if he continues to double down on that, and if you question it, then you are insufficiently committed.
00:40:01.000And this is one of the ugliest things about our politics right now.
00:40:04.000That you have to demonstrate your commitment by defending everything.
00:40:07.000And suggesting, well, you know, the media are constantly attacking Trump.
00:40:11.000I mean, Scarborough said nasty things about Trump, so why shouldn't he say nasty things about Scarborough?
00:40:15.000And the answer is, what are we, in second grade here?
00:40:27.000This is like the first thing that you learn when you're a kid.
00:40:31.000If you have good parents, your parents teach you that just because that other kid did something does not mean that you also get to do that thing or do it worse to them.
00:40:40.000He's not just accusing Joe Scarborough of stripping puppies or something, which would be, you know, on its face ridiculous and silly and all that.
00:40:47.000He's actually accusing a dead Catholic woman of having violated her marital vows with Joe Scarborough before being murdered.
00:41:15.000There are a bunch of people who are Let me tell you, Republican women in the suburbs.
00:41:20.000Do you think they're showing up more or less over all of the, if you are a mask, you're a cuck, and if you are a Catholic intern for Joe Scarborough, you're probably murdered by Joe Scarborough.
00:41:33.000Have people forgotten that politics is about demonstrating to voters that you're fit to be president?
00:41:41.000Trump is great at the former and awful at the latter.
00:41:44.000If you want him to win re-election, he needs to stop this bullcrap right now.
00:41:48.000I've already talked about the morality, but just on a political level.
00:41:50.000Okay, but again, we live in a world where you're supposed to demonstrate your commitment to the cause by neglecting the evils on your own side and pretending that they're okay.
00:42:00.000Or you're supposed to sort of laugh at it as though it's a joke.
00:42:04.000Or you're supposed to blame Joe Scarborough for Trump accusing a dead Catholic woman of being an adulteress.
00:42:10.000Okay, so here was President Trump yesterday defending his claim about Scarborough's intern.
00:42:15.000I'm sure that ultimately they want to get to the bottom of it, and it's a very serious situation.
00:42:20.000I also saw a clip with Joe and Imus, where they were having a lot of fun at her expense, and I thought it was totally inappropriate.
00:42:32.000No, it's a very suspicious thing, and I hope somebody gets to the bottom of it.
00:42:39.000As you know, there's no statute of limitations, so it would be a very good thing to do.
00:42:46.000Okay, meanwhile, Joe Scarborough, of course, went on the air last night, and he pointed out that Lori Clausitis, that's the name of the intern who died, that she was a lifelong Republican and faithful Catholic.
00:42:58.000Like Scarborough, you can hate Scarborough, but Scarborough ain't wrong about this.
00:43:01.000A good woman, a young woman's desire to do something good for the country that she has loved.
00:43:14.000Has led first to people on the far left on the internet sullying her name.
00:43:18.000And then a Republican senatorial candidate years later sullying her name.
00:43:24.000And then people on the far left later sullying her name.
00:43:32.000And now the president of the United States sullying this good woman's name.
00:43:43.000Okay, so we can point out all this is bad.
00:44:08.000He's doing a little dance, or as much as he can pick his feet up off the ground these days, he's doing a little dance in his basement every time Trump does this sort of stuff.
00:44:15.000But the media yesterday were suggesting that Trump should be removed from Twitter.
00:44:18.000Don Lemon was suggesting that Twitter is a cesspool that has not held Trump accountable.
00:44:24.000Again, it's not Twitter's job to hold Trump accountable.
00:45:53.000Instead, they decide they're going to put fact checks on his tweets.
00:45:55.000Not only are they going to put fact checks on his tweets, they're going to be wrong.
00:45:58.000Okay, so yesterday, Twitter, according to Reuters, for the first time prompted readers to check the fact in tweets sent by President Trump, warning readers his claims about mail-in ballots were false and had been debunked by fact checkers.
00:46:10.000The blue exclamation mark notification prompted readers to get the facts about mail-in ballots and directed them to a page with news articles and information from fact-checkers about his claims.
00:46:18.000Trump had claimed in tweets earlier in the day mail-in ballots would be substantially fraudulent and result in rigged elections.
00:46:23.000He singled out the governor of California over the issue.
00:46:25.000Twitter said this was the very first time it had applied a label to a tweet by the president under its new misleading information policy, which had been introduced earlier in the month.
00:46:38.000According to Alipundit at Hot Air, instead of fact checking like he killed his intern routine, they decided to fact check the mail-in ballot stuff.
00:46:48.000Okay, click the fact-check link in the tweets.
00:46:50.000According to Alipundit, you're sent to a page which claims, among other things, that fact-checkers say there's no evidence mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.
00:46:57.000As per an NPR story from early April, election experts say Trump is partially correct that there is slightly more fraud in mail voting than in in-person voting.
00:47:05.000The same experts told NPR election fraud is extremely rare in all instances.
00:47:10.000But it is not true that there's no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud.
00:47:12.000In fact, yesterday, yesterday, there was an actual case filed by the U.S.
00:47:17.000Attorney for the Northern District of West Virginia, in which a letter carrier was charged with election fraud related to mail-in requests for primary ballots.
00:47:24.000Yesterday, the mail-in primary ballot requests appeared to have been part of a state plan to send absentee ballot requests to everyone in West Virginia during the novel coronavirus pandemic.
00:47:32.000The postman defendant, Thomas Cooper, faces one count.
00:47:37.000That's according to court documents obtained by Law and Crime.
00:47:39.000He even admitted to altering some of the requests.
00:47:42.000So at the same time that Twitter is claiming that there's no evidence of mail-in ballots being fraudulently used or obtained, the federal government is filing a case against somebody for doing just that.
00:49:39.000And by the way, he's doubling down on it again.
00:49:42.000This morning, he's just on a rampage on all of this.
00:49:44.000And now, in order to demonstrate your commitment, to demonstrate your commitment, it is now necessary that you back President Trump basically calling for the end of social media.
00:49:57.000He says, Twitter has now shown that everything we've been saying about them and their other compatriots is correct.
00:50:14.000How would you like the idea of the left just shutting down talk radio because they don't like the voices that are being disseminated on it?
00:50:20.000Or how would you like the return of the Fairness Doctrine?
00:50:22.000What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
00:50:25.000By the way, Trump again this morning was going after Joe Scarborough.
00:51:00.000Stick to a commitment to principles, not a commitment to follow a particular person down the primrose path or follow a particular cause so far that you are indecent and nasty in pursuing it.
00:51:12.000But apparently, again, it's never about the truth anymore, never about decency.
00:51:17.000Okay, time for a bevy of things that I hate.
00:51:20.000Alrighty, so a variable cornucopia of things that I hate today.
00:51:40.000So I'm glad that we went into Afghanistan to stop the Taliban from taking over because the Taliban had provided a safe haven for Al Qaeda, which resulted in 9-11.
00:51:49.000And now, we are just going to hand the country back to the Taliban, is apparently the plan.
00:51:54.000I know a lot of people are saying that war is useless, that that war is not a good idea, and that war has been a failure.
00:52:00.000The reality is that terrorism from Afghanistan has radically reduced since we took the Taliban out of place, simply putting the Taliban back in.
00:52:10.000I mean, and that's basically what we are talking about doing right now.
00:52:14.000I'm old enough to remember when everybody sort of agreed that that was the good war, that the good war was fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan.
00:52:22.000Because there was no terrorism coming from Iraq and the WMD and all of that.
00:52:25.000But now the idea is that Afghanistan is the bad war.
00:52:29.000According to the New York Times, senior military officials are set to brief President Trump in the coming days on options for pulling all of American troops out of Afghanistan with one possible timeline for withdrawing forces before the presidential election, according to officials with knowledge of the plans.
00:52:41.000Now remember, this was Barack Obama's policy, and I'm old enough to remember when Republicans were like, wait, you're handing the country back to the Taliban?
00:53:02.000The fact is, General David Petraeus suggests that you at least have to keep a skeleton force on the ground to prevent the fall of the government and the restoration of the evil Taliban regime, which would immediately become a safe haven for terrorism again.
00:53:12.000They plan to propose and advocate a slower withdrawal schedule.
00:53:15.000But, again, when you present Trump with a fast schedule and a slow schedule, likely that Trump takes the fast schedule.
00:53:20.000In recent months, Trump has repeatedly voiced a desire to leave Afghanistan sooner than the timeline laid out in the February 29th peace agreement with the Taliban, which stipulated that U.S.
00:53:28.000troops would leave in 12 to 14 months if the insurgent group met certain conditions.
00:53:31.000The Pentagon is expected to try and persuade the president that he should basically take this a lot slower.
00:53:38.000The debate highlights the mounting difficulty facing the February agreement.
00:53:41.000Political strife and bloody Taliban attacks have derailed what little progress has been made since the deal signing, because it turns out that the Taliban have no intention of keeping to the deal.
00:53:49.000The Taliban intend on fully coming in and just murdering everybody who cooperated with the United States, which would just be another wonderful example of the United States interfering in the Middle East with good intentions and then basically leaving people to die, which is exactly what the United States did to the Kurds in 1991 after the Gulf War.
00:54:07.000I don't know, honestly, if you're a person who is fighting tyranny on the ground in any of these countries, can you trust the United States if the United States simply withdraws and just lets you take the hit?
00:54:16.000I'm not sure why people would do this.
00:54:18.000That's what Vietnam was too, by the way.
00:54:20.000It was about literally hundreds of thousands and millions of people cooperating with the United States, the United States leaving, and those people just being left to the tender mercies of the Viet Cong.
00:54:28.000It turns out that where America's boots go, liberty follows.
00:54:31.000And where America's boots withdraw, liberty recedes.
00:54:34.000At least before you've established something that is workable.
00:54:37.000And we're not talking about hundreds of thousands of troops in Afghanistan right now.
00:54:40.000We're talking about maintaining a status quo.
00:54:49.000It's not that anybody's a warmonger here.
00:54:51.000Nobody's in favor of starting a new war.
00:54:53.000Nobody's talking about ramping up the troop presence to hundreds of thousands of troops.
00:54:56.000But to remove all tenuous gains that have been made in Afghanistan in order to signal to the American public that you're tired of this is not actually good policy, whether, again, if it were Barack Obama, I would be saying exactly the same thing, and I did.
00:55:10.000Meanwhile, on foreign policy, the State Department is announcing, Mike Pompeo has announced that Hong Kong can no longer be considered separate and autonomous from China, which basically means that China has now taken over Hong Kong.
00:55:23.000Which is an incredible demonstration that when the West does not stand up to tyranny, then the tyrants take over.
00:55:30.000According to Bloomberg, the U.S. has certified that Hong Kong is no longer politically autonomous from China, a move that could have far-reaching consequences on the special trading status the former British colony has with the United States.
00:55:40.000According to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, this, of course, comes in the aftermath of the Chinese government using the pandemic as an excuse to go in and quash all dissent inside Hong Kong.
00:55:49.000It comes after 20 years of the Chinese government basically violating every, abrogating every element of the treaty that it had with the British government.
00:55:56.000The British government withdrew from Hong Kong in 1997.
00:55:58.000The basic deal was that Hong Kong would still be allowed to have an autonomous government, even if it worked in close cooperation with the Chinese.
00:56:06.000And instead, the Chinese government just ignored it, and they understood that there would be no consequences for doing so, because what exactly was Britain going to do?
00:56:15.000This is why it is always and invariably an idiotic idea to withdraw from places in favor of a tyrannical regime and trust that their commitments are going to be kept.
00:56:23.000So the people of Hong Kong have now been put directly under the thumb of the Chinese government.
00:56:26.000If you have any sympathy for the people of Hong Kong, you should recognize how evil it is what the Chinese government is doing.
00:56:33.000I mean, Hong Kong no longer being politically autonomous from China is...
00:56:37.000The people in Taiwan have to be looking over their shoulders at this point, right?
00:56:40.000I mean, China claims sovereignty over Taiwan.
00:56:46.000And the Chinese government's been threatening Hong Kong continuously.
00:56:50.000So China continues, even as they unleashed a pandemic on the rest of the world, they continue to exacerbate their political control over the region.
00:56:58.000There better be some harsh consequences here.
00:57:00.000And I mean serious economic harsh consequences against the government of China.
00:57:04.000And if the media feel the necessity to back China just because President Trump is anti-China, I think they are demonstrating full scale their actual priorities.
00:57:14.000So I guess that we are now going to reduce everything to the racial because again, very important to signal your commitment to particular causes.
00:57:25.000As I've said yesterday, when it came to issues of race, I think that we can all agree that racism still exists in the United States, that instances of racism are evil, that we can all condemn them, and that we should all be on the same side when it comes to this sort of stuff.
00:57:37.000It is also true that we are now doing a routine where we are in hunt for instances of racism.
00:57:41.000Now, instances of racism absolutely exist.
00:57:45.000That situation in Central Park looked like an instance of racism.
00:58:00.000It doesn't seem like an instance of racism.
00:58:01.000You know who else it didn't seem like an instance of racism to?
00:58:04.000Anyone at SNL or anyone for the prior 20 years.
00:58:07.000It turns out, by the way, that if you don't like Jimmy Fallon dressing up as Chris Rock, then you should also not like Jimmy Kimmel dressing up as Karl Malone.
00:58:15.000But Jimmy Kimmel is the woke pope, and so he is granted absolution, despite the fact that, by the way, Jimmy Fallon's impression of Chris Rock was significantly less offensive than Jimmy Fallon's impression of Karl Malone.
00:58:26.000His impression of Karl Malone was basically playing Karl Malone as a stereotypical, ugly, awful, dumb... I mean, it was really bad.
00:58:36.000Go back and watch the Jimmy Kimmel tape.
00:58:37.000That one actually looks a lot more racist.
00:58:39.000The Jimmy Fallon one, he's playing Chris Rock.
00:58:41.000And again, I think it's important to recognize here that there are in fact gradations.
00:58:44.000Juan Williams told me this on the show a couple of years ago when we discussed this, and he was right.
00:58:49.000There are gradations in terms of how bad it is to dress up as a black person, right?
00:58:53.000There is dressing up in full-scale blackface, stereotypical fashion, 1920s, you're mocking black people as Shiftless and dumb and all that's ugly and horrifying and has a history in slavery and Jim Crow and all of that.
00:59:05.000And then there is, you dressed up as Michael Jackson in 1987 because you like Michael Jackson music.
00:59:18.000Not the same thing for Jimmy Fallon to dress up as Chris Rock, a specific human being with whom he is friends, again, and to treat that as though he was dressed up in quote-unquote blackface.
00:59:34.000Again, Blackface has an actual meaning, and putting on black makeup is not the same as blackface.
00:59:41.000Blackface has an actual meaning, and that was to dress up as a black person in order to mock black people in stereotypical, awful, and evil ways.
00:59:50.000That's not what Jimmy Fallon was doing when he dressed up as Chris Rock.
00:59:52.000He says, I'm very sorry for making this unquestionably offensive decision.
00:59:55.000Thank you, all of you, for holding me accountable.
00:59:58.000We have to do struggle sessions to demonstrate full-on commitment to the cause at this point, instead of him basically saying the same thing that Sarah Silverman said.
01:00:05.000By the way, try and spot a comedian in the last 20 years who didn't do this.
01:00:22.000Okay, meanwhile, if you want to talk about actual instances where race becomes an issue, then we can talk about this situation in Minneapolis.
01:00:30.000So, if you haven't seen this awful, awful tape, it really is bad.
01:00:33.000There's a tape of police officers on the neck of a black perpetrator.
01:00:40.000The perpetrator apparently was doing some sort of forgery and they caught him doing a forgery in progress.
01:01:10.000As I always say, proof of incompetence, stupidity, and evil does not mean proof of racism.
01:01:17.000And there was a case out here in California, very, very famous case in California, not famous nationwide, in which there was a white homeless man.
01:01:25.000His first name was Kelly, and I forget his last name.
01:01:29.000And he was basically beaten to death by the police.
01:01:33.000He was quasi-resisting arrest, but not really.
01:01:36.000They started wailing on him, and he died from it.
01:01:40.000And this was not considered a nationwide story, specifically because it was about police brutality and cruelty and incompetence, and it wasn't about racism.
01:01:49.000When, if he had been black, then the story would have been racism.
01:01:56.000I remember, it's a big story out here.
01:01:57.000Okay, that was not considered a name worth remembering, obviously, because he was white.
01:02:02.000Now, the question in this particular case in Minneapolis is whether this is just police incompetence or whether the police officer was just a vicious racist who decided to kill this guy because he was black or took less of a care about him because he was black.
01:02:13.000And there were riots last night in Minneapolis.
01:02:15.000The Minneapolis mayor, Men went out there and used language that was extraordinarily highly charged.
01:02:21.000He suggested being black shouldn't be a death sentence.
01:02:23.000I'm not aware that being black is a death sentence in the United States.
01:02:25.000In fact, statistically speaking, it is absolutely not a death sentence in the United States.
01:02:29.000But because every instance of awful police work in which there's a white police officer and a black person has to be perceived as an indicator of broad-based American racism and not as an indicator of police officer sucking at their job.
01:02:41.000And I know lots of police officers who would look at this and be absolutely horrified on every level.
01:02:46.000But instead, this turns into a racial debate, even though, again, there's not evidence that this was a racial killing, as opposed to the police officer's just a bad, bad person at his job, at the very least.
01:02:57.000Being black in America should not be a death sentence.
01:03:01.000For five minutes, we watched as a white officer pressed his knee into the neck of a black man.
01:03:27.000This officer failed in the most basic human sense.
01:03:34.000Okay, he did fail in the most basic human sense.
01:03:36.000That doesn't necessarily mean this thing was motivated by racism.
01:03:38.000The only reason that I point this out is that it sort of seems important that if you're going to suggest that race is the motivating factor, you provide some evidence that race is the motivating factor.
01:03:48.000I sort of like claims that are backed by evidence.
01:03:50.000Also, Worthy of note, is there a single human being on planet Earth, well on planet Earth, in America?
01:03:57.000There's some overt racists, people really hate black people.
01:04:00.000But, are there very many human beings in the United States, who if they found out that this guy murdered a black man in cold blood because he was a racist, wouldn't want this guy put on the electric chair?
01:04:09.000Seriously, who's out there who doesn't feel that way?
01:04:11.000But there's an attempt right now to suggest that America, again, is rooted in racism and viciousness.
01:04:16.000Gayle King, who, again, she's the anchor at CBS this morning, she suggested that basically it is open season on black men after racial incidents.
01:04:35.000The commitment to the narrative that America is deeply racist in every way and every individual instance, every anecdotal piece of evidence, not data, not like broad-based data that's statistical in nature.
01:04:44.000Every anecdotal piece of evidence is evidence of that broad-based narrative.
01:04:47.000That is signaling your commitment to the narrative.
01:04:49.000It is not necessarily signaling your commitment to the truth.
01:04:52.000I want truth and I want evidence and I think that once the evidence comes out we can all be on the same side because I think that at root we all have the same belief system here.
01:05:02.000I feel like we're all on the same page on these things.
01:05:05.000But there's an attempt to rush out without the evidence.
01:05:08.000And I feel like this is the case with so many of these instances.
01:05:11.000And it's not just with regard to racism.
01:05:12.000It seems like with regard to everything these days, there is a motivation to rush out and look at cases where there is a deliberate lack of full evidence, make claims that stretch the evidence in order to get to a conclusion, and then suggest that if you say, well, I need to wait for the evidence, that you are insufficiently committed to the cause.
01:05:38.000But, if you pick instances where the evidence is not fully in on the racism aspect, and you then immediately call everybody who says, I'd like to see the evidence on that, insufficiently committed to the anti-racist cause, what you're actually incentivizing is acting without evidence in order to signal your commitment.
01:05:57.000Commitment signaling needs to end, because if you are so committed to commitment, maybe you should be committed.
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