Ben Shapiro explains why the government is wrong about the dangers of social contact and why we should all go out in public for the duration of the flu season. He also explains why social isolation is the best thing we can do to reduce the risk of catching the flu. Ben Shapiro is the host of The Ben Shapiro Show on Fox News Radio and host of the Daily Show with Bill Maher. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, NBC, and other media outlets. He is also a frequent contributor to The Daily Wire and the Daily Caller, and is a frequent guest on CNN and other major news outlets, including CNN and CBS. Ben is an avid reader and supporter of many conservative causes, including the anti-abortion movement and the pro-Second Amendment movement, and has been a long-time opponent of abortion restrictions and abortion restrictions. His latest book, is out now and is available for pre-order on Amazon Prime and VaynerSpeakers. If you like what you hear on the show, please consider becoming a patron. Subscribe to the show and leave us a five star rating and review the show on Apple Podcasts and subscribe to our newest podcast, Rate/subscribe to our other shows wherever you get your favourite podcast releases are available. Thanks for listening and share the show! Subscribe, review, and share it! Timestamps: 5:00 - Why we should go outside more often 6:30 - The White House is right about the flu? 7: 8:40 - Why Joe Biden s sexual assault allegation is not a big deal 9:15 - Why the government should stay shut down 11:00 13: What s going to happen next? 16:00- Why we need to get out more outside? 17:10 - What are we going to do outside more? 18:30- What will we should we be doing outside more than indoors? 19:00s - What do we know about the virus? 21:30s - Is social Distancing? 22:40s - Should we go out? 25: Is social distance more important than social distance? 26:00+ 27: Does social distance really matter? 29:15s - Does social distancing really make a good thing? 30s - How do we have a better chance of reducing risk?
00:00:53.000In all likelihood, what we're looking at is somewhere between 0.3 and 0.6, which is at least three to six times as deadly as the flu, plus this thing spreads three times as fast as the flu, which means that you're going to end up with a multiple of deaths absent social distancing.
00:01:05.000And that is what the models are beginning to show today, is that as people consider reopening, there will be additional deaths.
00:01:10.000Now, people are using this as an excuse to suggest that we have to remain shut down forever.
00:01:23.000Any disease that is communicated by people being in close contact with one another will go down when you are at home.
00:01:29.000On the other hand, things like heart disease or cancer, those are really not going to change very much, and you're not going to be able to get your treatment if you are at home.
00:01:35.000But the communicable diseases are always going to go down when you keep people at home.
00:01:39.000Car accident deaths are going to go down.
00:01:41.000There are just certain things that are going to go down.
00:01:42.000So, recognizing that disease continues to exist in our society, and that we are going to go out of our houses, That means that there will be additional deaths.
00:01:49.000The question is, how many additional deaths?
00:01:51.000So, there are new models out today trying to describe how many new deaths will be created by people going out.
00:01:58.000And this is hard to model because we don't know the extent to which people are actually going to social distance.
00:02:01.000Now, I have a lot of faith in the American people.
00:02:03.000I think that most people are smart and risk-averse enough to stay six feet away from each other, to wear masks in public places.
00:02:10.000I don't think that people are going to be going out en masse to ACDC concerts and I just don't think that's what's going to happen here.
00:02:18.000I'm a very 90s languager, but I think that is unlikely.
00:02:21.000I think most people are interested in social distancing.
00:02:24.000Most people recognize that the risk still remains.
00:02:27.000According to the CDC, state-level forecasts vary widely, reflecting differences in early epidemic phases, timing of interventions, and model-specific assumptions.
00:02:35.000According to the CDC, models that factor in strong contact reduction suggest new deaths will continue to occur, but will slow substantially over the next four weeks.
00:02:43.000Conversely, models that do not incorporate as strong contact reductions suggest that total deaths may continue to rise quickly, which of course makes perfect sense.
00:02:51.000The only thing that's happened is that we all went in our homes.
00:02:53.000Now, where we meet each other is also going to make a big difference.
00:02:56.000If we are outside and we are somewhat far away from one another, that's going to be a lot better than if we all rush back to restaurants and baseball games.
00:03:01.000It's going to be a while until we are in close quarters with one another.
00:03:05.000I think that's going to be largely discouraged not only societally and socially, which is important, but also by government.
00:03:11.000One model that's frequently cited by the White House Coronavirus Task Force upped its prediction death toll again.
00:03:15.000This would be the IHME model, the one from University of Washington that was subject to all of this controversy because early on it suggested 100,000 to 240,000 deaths.
00:03:22.000And then it downgraded that to about 60,000 deaths.
00:03:25.000And it's been upgrading it again because their assumptions were that we were all going to stay in our houses until June 1st, which was really not going to happen.
00:03:31.000Now they've upgraded again and suggested that there will be 74,000 Americans dead by August if people go out and engage in some level of social distancing.
00:03:39.000Again, that model is not based on them inputting what they think the level of social distancing will be.
00:03:47.000It's based on curve fitting from other countries that are starting to end their lockdowns.
00:03:52.000The projection was adjusted due to longer peaks in some states and signs that people are becoming more active again.
00:03:56.000So it is actually just curve fitting to the data that is currently known.
00:03:59.000That model has become increasingly accurate over time.
00:04:02.000It was suggesting that there were going to be about 67,000 deaths before the lockdown started to end.
00:04:06.000Now that the lockdowns are starting to end, they're suggesting 74,000 deaths over the course of the next few months.
00:04:13.000Okay, let's be absolutely real about this.
00:04:14.000There's no scenario in which people go back out and start to socially distance and engage in meaningful economic activity where the death rates don't go up.
00:04:40.000And one of the things that we balance in public policy, as I've been saying since the very outset of this, is the additional risk to Americans.
00:04:47.000Additional risk means additional death.
00:04:49.000So the question is, In very blunt terms, is the increased death rate from what is currently projected at 64,000 to 74,000 over the course of the next three months, is that worth reopening the American economy?
00:05:04.000And I think most Americans would probably say yes.
00:05:07.000Frankly speaking, I think most Americans would probably say yes.
00:05:09.000Nate Silver over at FiveThirtyEight makes this point, right?
00:05:10.000He's saying that anybody who's suggesting the death rate goes to zero is just not telling you the truth.
00:05:15.000What we are currently discussing is if there are three or four hundred deaths a day nationwide from COVID-19 in a country where 7,500 people a day typically die.
00:05:23.000Is that enough to shut down the entire American economy?
00:05:25.000The answer, obviously, is going to be no.
00:05:27.000We'll get to more of this in just one second.
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00:06:39.000Okay, so Governor Gavin Newsom in California, he continues to suggest that his state is weeks away from changing its stay-at-home order, but people are just not obeying this.
00:06:51.000And the fact is that people are going out to beaches.
00:06:53.000Gavin Newsom was fulminating over this last night.
00:06:55.000He was suggesting that he is basically going to keep America locked down ad infinitum because people are going out.
00:07:02.000He suggested that he's going to keep this going specifically because people are going out.
00:07:08.000Meanwhile, as of Tuesday morning, over a million people in the United States have been infected.
00:07:15.000Governor Brian Kemp says Georgia is moving forward with data and information and decisions from the local public health officials and working within the guidelines of the Great Plan the President has laid out.
00:07:24.000Hard-hit cities are starting to test asymptomatic people.
00:07:27.000County is going to expand coronavirus testing Tuesday to include delivery drivers, rideshare drivers, taxi drivers, even if they feel fine, according to L.A.
00:07:35.000You want to see if people who are out there driving and asymptomatic, people who are in close contact with the stuff that you're touching and in close contact in a car with you, driving you around, that those people don't actually have COVID-19 and aren't spreading it to people who are in the back of their cars.
00:07:49.000Garcetti said these are folks that are on the front lines helping us get to where we need to go, helping us to have food delivered to our homes.
00:07:55.000Same thing is happening in Boston, where Mayor Martin Walsh said that 1,000 asymptomatic residents will undergo diagnostic and antibody testing by Friday to evaluate exposure to the virus in the city.
00:08:05.000Also starting on Tuesday, Georgia public health workers will start visiting randomly selected homes in two of Georgia's largest counties to conduct antibody testing through blood samples, and that program is voluntary.
00:08:15.000Now, whether or not the antibodies actually mean that you're immune to the vaccine, that is still up in the air.
00:08:20.000We don't actually know that you can just go out willy-nilly and you're fine forever.
00:09:04.000So this thing is spreading faster in the United States.
00:09:06.000It had already spread far more quickly, unless you are willing to allow the virus to basically burn down to zero again, and then we restart with contact tracing and testing, which, by the way, would take a hell of a long time, and you keep the economy shut down for months more.
00:09:19.000What South Korea did in the first place was great, but we're not going to get that restart.
00:09:24.000Unless the thing burns all the way out during the summer, and then hopefully we have capacity in September.
00:09:28.000There's a reason other European countries are not doing what South Korea did.
00:09:31.000It is just not possible for the United States to do what South Korea did, absent a complete burnout.
00:09:36.000So I said from the beginning, we had to move from a Chinese lockdown model to a South Korean test and trace model.
00:09:42.000It's becoming clear, thanks to the asymptomatic nature of this disease, that's incredibly difficult.
00:09:46.000You might be able to do that in certain specific areas, but even in areas where you have hotspots, your first notification of the hotspot is unlikely to be asymptomatic testing.
00:09:54.000Your first notification of the hotspot is likely to be hospitals getting overwhelmed with people who are walking in with actual symptoms.
00:10:00.000Now, that doesn't mean that we can't ramp up testing, or that we shouldn't ramp up testing.
00:10:18.000They're not going to wait until June or July for Eric Garcetti to give them the go-ahead.
00:10:21.000The traffic on Ventura Boulevard today is in actual serious traffic.
00:10:25.000There have been actual traffic jams on the 10.
00:10:28.000People are not going to sit home and wait to go bankrupt because Eric Garcetti says that your risk has risen, if you are a young person under the age of 40, by .001 or whatever the actual stat is.
00:10:39.000The actual stat for people who are under the age of 40 and healthy is really close to zero.
00:10:44.000Those people are not going to continue to sit home because Eric Garcetti says you're supposed to stay home.
00:10:48.000Here's Eric Garcetti yesterday suggesting maybe we can scale back measures in a few weeks.
00:10:52.000My sense is probably in the next two to six weeks we'll see some baby steps forward.
00:10:56.000You know, it's so critical to have a few things in place.
00:10:59.000It's not really about a date or how few cases you have.
00:11:02.000It's about the infrastructure you have to handle opening up.
00:11:06.000So the good news is the bad news here.
00:11:08.000The good news is, and thank you to everybody listening, what we've been doing has worked.
00:11:29.000If we opened this up, it would not be 95% of us have COVID-19 by August 1st.
00:11:34.000And this thing was in California by January.
00:11:36.000The idea that over the next two months that everyone in California was going to get COVID-19 and that Americans are smarter than that Californians.
00:11:44.000God help us, even Californians are smarter than that.
00:11:47.000And let's be real, there are countervailing problems here.
00:11:49.000There's a new survey showing that 1 in 4 Americans say that they are losing their will to comply.
00:11:54.000According to a survey conducted by Kelton Global, 1 in 4 Americans say they've already reached their breaking point.
00:11:58.000100% say they would definitely reach that point if they're forced to stay home through mid-June.
00:12:05.000citizens over the age of 18 were surveyed earlier this month.
00:12:09.00072% said they expected to reach a breaking point by mid-June if stay-at-home orders aren't lifted.
00:12:12.000100% of respondents said they would snap if all this lasts longer than six months.
00:12:17.000The survey was conducted between April 3rd and April 6th.
00:12:19.000At that time, 16% said they had already hit their breaking point.
00:12:22.000And as the money stops flowing, as people lose their jobs permanently, and they're going to food banks and they're on unemployment insurance, those numbers are going to skyrocket.
00:12:30.000A lot of people have not felt the actual economic fallout of this thing quite yet because of the government tiding people over.
00:12:35.000Young Americans are the people most likely to say they've reached the breaking point, of course, because young Americans are more active than older Americans.
00:12:41.000Also, young Americans typically do not have houses, so they don't have backyards that they can go out into.
00:12:45.000Also, young Americans are not at high risk from this thing.
00:12:48.000If you're under the age of 30, you ain't dying from it, unless you have a serious pre-existing condition.
00:12:51.000If you're under 40, you're not dying of it, unless you have a serious pre-existing condition.
00:12:55.000This does have implications for whether the lockdowns are even going to be possible to continue.
00:13:01.000So we're going to get to more of this in just one second.
00:13:03.000Like, what would be the most responsible way to do this?
00:13:05.000Also, some actual very good news out of Oxford.
00:13:09.000First, the Second Amendment is very relevant these days.
00:13:12.000The Supreme Court refused yesterday to step in and stop New York state laws that really infringe on the Second Amendment.
00:13:19.000And that means that you really have to be protective of your own ability to keep and bear arms right now before states start cracking down on this sort of stuff more.
00:13:26.000Also, as we see the government jumping into American life in heretofore unforeseen ways, imagine the fact that right now a Republican is president and that Republican has no interest.
00:13:36.000In seeing the government maximize its authority and power in the midst of the pandemic.
00:13:40.000That is simply not the case with so many places around the country which are forcibly shutting down gun shops for example trying to do that as quote-unquote non-essential businesses in the middle of a pandemic while releasing tons of people from jail.
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00:14:47.000Speaking of the tests, the tests are ramping up.
00:14:49.000We're seeing a couple of ways in which the tests are ramping up.
00:14:52.000The White House was promoting yesterday this new plan to ramp up testing.
00:14:56.000They released a White House blueprint.
00:14:59.000That blueprint is sort of vague as to what exactly they hope will be the level of testing that is available as states reopen.
00:15:05.000They suggest that states, local, tribal governments have to develop testing plans and rapid response programs and maximize the use of all available testing platforms.
00:15:12.000They said that they are working with private groups across the nation to ramp up testing, and that is in fact happening.
00:15:19.000You're starting to see major chain stores developing the possibility for point-of-contact tests, which is really, really good.
00:15:26.000President Trump met with the heads of major retailers yesterday, pharmacy chains, testing labs, including Walmart and CVS Health, and the White House released what it called a blueprint of its testing plans.
00:15:34.000President Trump said in a Rose Garden press conference, we're deploying the full power and strength of the federal government to help state cities and help local governments get this horrible plague over with.
00:15:43.000The administration official overseeing coronavirus testing efforts said the federal government would be able to supply every state with supplies and tests they need to dramatically increase the number of tests.
00:15:50.000Really what they mean is they're going to be able to increase the number of tests such that each state will have enough tests for 2% of the population.
00:15:58.000Meanwhile, Quest Diagnostics has announced that they are going to begin selling COVID-19 antibody tests.
00:16:03.000Now, we still don't know whether the antibody actually protects or provides serious immunity, but Quest Diagnostics is offering a new antibody test for $119 or potentially less if you have insurance.
00:16:13.000Quest says this test checks for a type of antibody called immunoglobulin G.
00:16:17.000That is the result of past or recent exposure to COVID-19, also known as coronavirus.
00:16:22.000The human body produces antibodies as part of the immune response to the virus.
00:16:25.000It usually takes 10 to 18 days to produce enough antibodies to be detected in the blood.
00:16:30.000So the test can help determine if you have been previously exposed.
00:16:32.000It can check whether your body has produced enough antibodies, whether or not you were exposed.
00:16:36.000Jay Wolgamoth, who is the Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer for Quest, says, with the introduction of this test in service, Quest is making it easy for people to access quality testing for antibodies to the virus, which caused COVID-19.
00:17:19.000That would mean that was actually six months, which is just insanely fast.
00:17:22.000According to the New York Times, in the worldwide race for a vaccine to stop coronavirus, the laboratory sprinting fastest is at Oxford.
00:17:29.000Most other teams have had to start with small clinical trials of a few hundred participants to demonstrate safety.
00:17:33.000Scientists at the University's Jenner Institute had a head start on a vaccine, having proved in previous trials that similar inoculations, including one last year against an earlier coronavirus, were harmless to humans.
00:17:44.000This has enabled them to leap ahead and schedule tests of their new coronavirus vaccine involving more than 6,000 people by the end of next month.
00:17:51.000Hoping to show not only that it is safe, but also that it works, which would be like, again, that'd be miraculous.
00:17:56.000And by the way, if there's a vaccine and that thing is available by like the end of May, what you are talking about would be the fastest recovery in the history of human economics, right?
00:18:06.000If a vaccine were available and the vaccine were made available broadly to the American people, by the end of the summer, people would start investing again.
00:18:20.000Many of us are going to be likely locked down for several more weeks.
00:18:22.000The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September, at least several months ahead of any other announced efforts if it proves to be effective.
00:18:33.000And now they have promising news suggesting it might.
00:18:35.000So this is like the best news that we have heard in weeks and weeks and weeks, right?
00:18:38.000I've said before, if there's a deus ex machina that changes everything, obviously this would be that, except it'd be it.
00:18:44.000It would be a science ex machina, right?
00:18:46.000Scientists at the National Institute of Health's Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine.
00:18:55.000The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus causing the pandemic, exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab.
00:19:02.000More than 28 days later, all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher conducting the test.
00:19:07.000He said the rhesus macaque is pretty much the closest thing we have to humans.
00:19:11.000He said he expected to share it with other scientists this week, this paper, and submit it to a peer-reviewed journal.
00:19:16.000Now, immunity in monkeys is not a guarantee a vaccine would provide the same degree of protection for humans.
00:19:21.000A Chinese company that recently started a clinical trial with 144 participants has also said its vaccine was effective in rhesus macaques.
00:19:27.000But with dozens of efforts now underway to find a vaccine, the monkey results are the latest indicator that Oxford's accelerated venture is emerging as a bellwether.
00:19:35.000It's a very, very fast clinical program, said Emilia Emini, Director of the Vaccine Program at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which is providing financial support to many competing efforts.
00:19:43.000By the way, I've seen some conspiracy, crazy conspiracy theorists who are angry at Bill and Melinda Gates because they back vaccines.
00:19:51.000We've got thousands of people dying every day around the world, including thousands in the United States, and you're pissed off at the people who are spending millions of their own dollars to develop a vaccine?
00:20:03.000Which potential vaccine will emerge from the scramble is most successful is impossible to know until clinical trial data becomes available.
00:20:09.000More than one vaccine might be needed in any case.
00:20:12.000Some may work more effectively than others in groups like children or older people.
00:20:16.000Having more than one variety would be a good thing.
00:20:19.000But the Oxford trial will provide lessons about the nature of the coronavirus, so we will find out.
00:20:24.000It's hard not to get your hopes up when you read news like that, but you know what?
00:21:05.000Does President Trump say crazy crap at press conferences?
00:21:09.000These are all things that are just natural facts of life.
00:21:11.000But what is not a natural fact of life is the fact that the federal government is not using this pandemic in order to seize ultimate power.
00:21:20.000That is why it is a good thing that the Attorney General, William Barr, put out a letter today Telling people that they need to actually take into account the Constitution as they pursue these lockdown strategies.
00:21:33.000He says, as the Department of Justice explained recently in guidance to states and localities taking steps to battle the pandemic, even in times of emergency, when reasonable and temporary restrictions are placed on rights, the First Amendment and federal statutory law prohibit discrimination against religious institutions and religious believers.
00:21:47.000The legal restrictions on state and local authority are not limited to discrimination against religious institutions and religious believers.
00:21:54.000The Constitution also forbids discrimination against disfavored speech and undue interference with the national economy.
00:21:59.000If a state or local ordinance crosses the line from an appropriate exercise of authority to stop the spread of COVID-19 into an overbearing infringement of constitutional and statutory protections, the DOJ may have an obligation to address that overreach in federal court.
00:22:24.000And then we're going to talk about overreach in the media, which continues to undercut their credibility when they talk about issues like COVID-19.
00:22:30.000It turns out that credibility is a thing that once it is lost, cannot be regained very easily.
00:22:34.000So if you lose credibility because you are a political hack, and then you spend all of your time talking about COVID-19, people are going to take it as though you're a political hack talking about COVID-19.
00:22:43.000At least if you purport to be objective, right?
00:22:45.000Those of us who acknowledge we are not objective, at least we're honest about our own biases.
00:22:48.000This is one of the problems for the media.
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00:23:33.000As you say, states are moving to ease these lockdowns.
00:23:35.000They should be moving to ease these lockdowns.
00:23:37.000And the only question is, what are the strategies that ought to be used?
00:23:39.000When you see people fulminating from their perches in New York, their secure perches in the media, right?
00:23:53.000When they sit in their houses and they fulminate against people working, it really is kind of gross.
00:23:59.000And thus, it is pretty amazing to watch more and more people on the left doing this sort of stuff.
00:24:04.000The fact is that there are a couple different strategies that have to take place.
00:24:07.000While we wait for the testing regime to ramp up to the point where presumably we are not just identifying hotspots, but also being able to identify people like right at the moment of contact.
00:24:17.000While that all ramps up, people are going to have to get back to work because the center cannot hold.
00:24:23.000There is a study out of Israel suggesting that perhaps the best strategy here is not testing and contact tracing in a country of 330 million people with incredible population density and with a million already diagnosed cases.
00:24:37.000Perhaps the best strategy is to focus on the vulnerable.
00:24:39.000There's a paper Amnon Shishua and Shai Shalev-Schwartz, they're both professors at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, and they say that the idea would be to identify the vulnerable, age cut-offs and comorbidities, have them observe strict social distancing for their own protection while receiving assistance from the state.
00:24:54.000The weakness of the approach is whether it is at all practical to observe a differential social distancing regime, and whether the toll of strict social distancing is too much to bear over an extended period of time.
00:25:04.000Either we're all going to do it, or some of us are going to do it.
00:25:06.000Better some of us than all of us, particularly those who are most vulnerable.
00:25:10.000By the way, this is something that we do with vulnerable populations on a regular basis.
00:25:14.000If you're immunocompromised, then we make provisions for you regularly.
00:25:18.000If you're immunocompromised, we don't suggest that your life is going to look just like people who are not immunocompromised.
00:25:23.000Anybody who's immunocompromised will tell you all the precautions that they take on a daily basis in order to protect themselves.
00:25:29.000So, tranching people by population and recognizing the risk factors by population, that would be the key.
00:25:33.000That's why you need the antibody test, so you can figure out exactly who is most vulnerable.
00:25:37.000It's why you need broader testing, and you need better reporting of medical conditions underlying this thing, so people can get back to work.
00:25:45.000And meanwhile, I think you can trust the American people to be smart in how they re-approach this whole thing.
00:25:51.000Not just because the testing is getting better as we ramp up our capacity to test.
00:25:56.000There are new saliva tests, according to the Washington Post, that are going to be rolled out in very short order, which obviously is good news.
00:26:02.000But also the American people, as I mentioned yesterday, they are generally being responsible.
00:26:06.000According to the Associated Press, with staff wearing masks, checking customers' temperatures, using disposable paper placemats, some of the nation's restaurants reopened for dine-in service on Monday as states loosen more coronavirus restrictions.
00:26:16.000Many eateries remain closed amid safety concerns and community backlash.
00:26:20.000Restaurants in Georgia, Tennessee, Anchorage, Alaska welcome diners back, albeit for a different dining experience than before.
00:26:26.000In Louisiana, the governor said restaurants will be allowed to seat people outside starting on Friday.
00:26:30.000Which, by the way, would be a good idea.
00:26:32.000Seating people outside is a good thing.
00:26:34.000If I had a restaurant, I would be looking to set up tables in the parking lot.
00:26:38.000Because the open air is a much better environment than a closed restaurant.
00:26:43.000Chris Haithas, who manages 87 Waffle House restaurants, he says we're ecstatic to have them back.
00:26:48.000A lot of people, I think, want to get back to the new normal, which will be social distancing and all that, but they'll be able to eat inside the restaurant.
00:26:53.000The new normal includes employees wearing masks, booths closed to keep customers apart, and traditional plastic placemat menus replaced by paper menus so they are discardable, so people are not touching the same surfaces over and over.
00:27:03.000There are 39 different requirements in the state of Georgia that restaurants have to follow, including observing a limit of 10 customers per 500 square feet, and ensuring that all employees wear face coverings.
00:27:19.000There are still people who seem wedded to the idea of the lockdowns for a variety of political reasons.
00:27:23.000On the one hand, you have people who are wedded to the lockdowns because they want to see a government spending increase.
00:27:27.000And on the other hand, you see people who want the lockdowns because they actually think that it's a leverage point for workers against employers, which is perfectly insane in a world where employers are going under by the bushel.
00:27:38.000Who is one of the members of the squad, just terrible, the congresswoman from Michigan, who when she's not spouting idiotic anti-Semitic propaganda, is saying really dumb things about the economy.
00:27:47.000She suggests that workers are supposed to push back against reopening.
00:28:07.000If you are afraid to go to work, do not go to work.
00:28:11.000And I know this is hard, but you have every right to make sure your life is put first and to fight back.
00:28:19.000I don't care if it's labor organizing this late in the game or if it's demanding that your life is not treated as if it's disposable, but I want you not to be afraid to go to work.
00:28:30.000I want you to organize with your other their coworkers and demand better demand that your life again is put first and that your health is put first.
00:28:38.000So I would push back no matter what these decisions and these other folks and these task force that are being put together, uh, your gut feeling, follow that.
00:28:50.000If you're young and you're healthy, and your business reopens, and you don't have any serious risk, and you're not living with an older person, and these lockdowns are lifted, and your place of business says, listen, your job is not something you can do from home, right?
00:29:08.000There are now 30 million people out of work and many of them will fill that job.
00:29:11.000That doesn't mean that employers shouldn't keep things safe.
00:29:13.000Employers have the most interest in keeping things safe.
00:29:15.000Look at Tyson Foods, which is shutting down factories because of coronavirus.
00:29:18.000I don't know what the hell she's talking about.
00:29:21.000The Rashida Tlaib types or the Paul Krugman types.
00:29:23.000Paul Krugman has an idiotic column today suggesting that people should stop worrying about the deficit at a time when we are blowing out $7 trillion in spending.
00:29:31.000He says the only fiscal thing to fear is deficit fear itself.
00:29:35.000I'm old enough to remember when Paul Krugman thought that modern monetary theory was a bunch of claptrap.
00:29:39.000Modern monetary theory is the idea we can just spend endlessly because people will just continue buying our bonds because the American economy is still powerful.
00:29:47.000Now he is he's out there basically embracing modern monetary theory.
00:29:51.000He suggests that deficit vultures are hypocrites and that we shouldn't be worried about the effects of COVID-19 on debt.
00:29:58.000We're headed for some eye-popping numbers.
00:30:00.000Last week, the CBO released preliminary economic and budget projections for the next two years, which were both shocking and unsurprising.
00:30:06.000Soaring unemployment will cause federal revenues to plunge and lead to a surge in spending on safety net programs like unemployment insurance, Medicaid, and food stamps.
00:30:13.000Add in the large relief packages Congress has passed, and the Budget Office projects a deficit that will temporarily rise to levels we haven't seen since World War II.
00:30:20.000It expects federal debt to rise to 108%, from 79% of GDP, which sounds scary.
00:30:25.000But the government will be able to borrow that money at incredibly low interest rates.
00:30:28.000In fact, real interest rates, rates on government bonds protected against inflation, are negative right now.
00:30:33.000So the burden of the additional debt as measured by the rise in federal interest payments will be negligible.
00:30:43.000As appetite for American debt wanes because we have the government intervening in our economy and deepening a depression, I'm sure that people will continue to buy that debt.
00:30:54.000Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to the media in all of this because We try here on the show to bring you as much of... Listen, you know my political viewpoint.
00:31:02.000But I'm trying to be as objective as I can about the data.
00:31:04.000This is not true for many members of the media who have undercut their own credibility.
00:31:08.000And then they're surprised when people don't believe them about COVID-19 after they destroy their own credibility on a variety of other issues.
00:31:13.000We're going to get to that in just one second.
00:31:15.000This is a time when you actually need to be able to trust people who theoretically know what they are talking about or who are at least conveying information from people who know what they are talking about.
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00:34:22.000So President Trump continues to be in this ongoing war with the media.
00:34:32.000And I'm not sure that it's in his best interest, but I'm absolutely positive that the media largely deserve it.
00:34:38.000The media have been focused on virtually all the wrong issues here.
00:34:40.000They do not bring you any sort of well-calibrated information.
00:34:43.000Instead, it seems to be largely hysterics.
00:34:46.000If you read to paragraph 19 in a New York Times article, you get to the hard data very often.
00:34:49.000But if you just watch cable news, All you get is a bunch of screaming, talking heads telling you that either it's the end of the world on the one hand, or not to worry about it, it's the flu on the other.
00:35:23.000It should be the people who know what they're talking about, Redfield.
00:35:25.000And it shouldn't be the political reporters on the White House beat.
00:35:29.000It should be the health reporters on the White House beat.
00:35:31.000It should be the people over at the Washington Post who run Health 202.
00:35:34.000It shouldn't be the political reporters who are busy writing democracy dies in darkness, Trump is a bad mean man articles.
00:35:40.000It should be the health reporters over at the New York Times.
00:35:43.000It should be the people over at Politico, who actually write health policy.
00:35:46.000On the right, it should be Avik Roy over at FREOP.
00:35:48.000It should be people who actually pay attention to health policy right now, asking specific questions that convey information to the American people.
00:36:10.000I'm not sure how her last name is pronounced.
00:36:13.000She's a New York Magazine correspondent.
00:36:15.000Yesterday, she was at the White House, and she asked this question to President Trump, which is insanely useless, and obviously directed at just getting Trump to blow up, so then the media can have a headline about how Trump blows up, which is completely not only useless, but counterproductive at this point in time, when you know people are still out there dying, and we're trying to figure out the best way to reopen the economy.
00:36:34.000Nothing I like better than a bunch of posturing crap from the media.
00:36:37.000If an American president loses more Americans over the course of six weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be re-elected?
00:37:56.000What a stupid, asinine, ridiculous question.
00:37:58.000Ari Fleischer, by the way, called out Olivia Nuzzi about the question, because it's a ridiculous posturing question that is designed to get her on TV, and it did.
00:38:05.000And she immediately responded, shut the F up, which is just great journalism-ing.
00:38:10.000You wonder why the American people don't trust your takes on this stuff, guys?
00:38:13.000You wonder why they are relegated to looking at YouTube for videos of doctors who they think are going to confirm what they already thought?
00:39:30.000Okay, Tara Reade is a woman who came forward to suggest that Joe Biden, basically when she was a staffer in his office, Got her into a lonely hallway and then proceeded to sexually assault her, picking up her skirt and then penetrating her with his fingers.
00:39:47.000Now it turns out that not only is there tape of her mother calling into Larry King and asking questions about how staffers are supposed to report bad things, but also some of her neighbors, two separate neighbors, have come forward to say that the woman had told them about the incident shortly after it occurred.
00:40:01.000One is her brother, Colin Moulton, and also a friend who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution.
00:40:06.000And now two more sources have come forward to corroborate certain details about Reed's claims.
00:40:10.000One of them, according to Business Insider, a former neighbor of Reed's, has told Insider for the first time on the record that Reed disclosed details about the alleged assault to her in the mid-1990s.
00:40:53.000I mean, there's no evidence other than what this woman had to say, and the fact that she had contemporaneous accounts of it to people does not mean it went down the way that she thinks that it went down, right?
00:41:00.000I mean, this is what innocence until proven guilty means, and I hold that standard for Brett Kavanaugh, and I hold that standard for Joe Biden, too.
00:41:06.000But Joe Biden doesn't hold that standard for Brett Kavanaugh, so Joe Biden doesn't get to hold that standard for Joe Biden, either.
00:41:11.000But what's incredible is the media differential, the media coverage of this stuff.
00:41:37.000I mean, shouldn't the actual headline be two more women come forward and confirm that Biden's sexual assault accuser told them about sexual assault in mid 90s?
00:42:57.000Trump allies highlighting new claims regarding allegations against Biden.
00:43:01.000That's the key here, is that Trump allies are focusing on this.
00:43:05.000Again, what is newsy about the fact that Republicans are reporting on bad things Democrats did?
00:43:10.000That's like arguing that after After Mark Foley, the Republican congressperson, was nailing pages in the mail pages in the House back in 2006.
00:43:20.000The story is Democrats focus on Mark Foley accusations.
00:43:25.000That's the headline, not Congresswoman nailing mail pages in the House of Representatives.
00:44:37.000And what he's saying is that I want to make sure every community gets enough so that they end up being equal.
00:44:44.000So that's a real different point than equal share.
00:44:46.000He's talking about equitable, meaning at the result will be everyone ends up being equal.
00:44:53.000Okay, and here is Kamala Harris like a few months ago talking about Joe Biden's accusers who say that he was sniffing their hair and massaging them.
00:44:59.000I believe them and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it.
00:45:07.000Do you believe that the Vice President should enter this race?
00:45:11.000Oh, he's going to have to make that decision for himself.
00:45:31.000When they're not busy doing that routine, you know, and just trying to play this tete-a-tete game with Trump where they just yell at each other and then both of them make headlines.
00:45:39.000When they're not busy doing that, they're busy trying to cover for Joe Biden and pretend that none of this ever happened.
00:45:44.000Journalism-ing is going to continue as at will.
00:45:47.000The self-congratulatory nature of the journalists are just, it's just, it's so off-putting.
00:45:52.000Just a few days ago, the New York Times put out an opinion piece that suggested it was a column by Ginia Belafonte profiling a coronavirus victim named Joe Joyce.
00:46:00.000It included a passage in which Joyce's daughter suggested her dad went on a cruise after seeing on Hannity and Fox News the outbreak was under control.
00:46:07.000Sean Hannity covered this because Hannity suggested correctly That at the time, a lot of people were saying that the virus was under control, including Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo.
00:46:15.000And more than that, the timeline just doesn't match up.
00:46:18.000They cited comments from Sean Hannity that does not match up with the timeline.
00:46:24.000He went on the cruise before Hannity said a lot of the things he was quoted as saying.
00:46:27.000So Sean wrote a letter to the New York Times and said, I want a retraction.
00:46:31.000And here was the New York Times' reply.
00:46:34.000In response to your request for an apology and retraction, our answer is no.
00:46:48.000And meanwhile, Andy Lack, who is one of the editors, he's the chairman of NBC News and MSNBC, he wrote a piece over at NBC News called, Journalism is under attack from coronavirus and the White House, but we are winning.
00:47:01.000He says, President Trump came into office railing against many of the foundations of our democratic institutions, including a free press.
00:47:07.00040 months into his administration, coverage of the coronavirus outbreak is the latest sign that contrary to conventional wisdom, he hasn't laid a glove on serious journalism.
00:47:15.000His attacks, most recently against excellent reporters like Jonathan Karl, Yamiche Alcindor, Peter Alexander, and Paula Reid, put the bully in bully pulpit, but they haven't shaken the soul of the First Amendment.
00:47:47.000But People have a right to question your motives and your methods of reporting when you act the way you act with regard to everything from coverage of the White House to coverage of Joe Biden.
00:47:59.000Alright, time for a thing I like and then some things that I hate.
00:48:33.000It's really interesting, and it's about a period in time when industry was in competition and sort of the dirty tricks that were played by Edison.
00:48:38.000Edison was a ruthless, ruthless dude, and he was very ruthless about going after his competitors and trying to run them out of business using the most scurrilous strategies possible.
00:48:47.000The movie doesn't go easy on Edison, but it also paints a really well-rounded picture of him.
00:49:39.000Okay, time for some things that I hate.
00:49:41.000If you think that Hollywood is not biased, all you have to do is take a look at the fact that immediately after leaving office, the Obamas got a deal from Netflix.
00:49:52.000Remember when the Bushes got a deal from Netflix?
00:51:17.000Becoming, which is directed by Nadia Halgren, will take viewers behind the scenes as Michelle Obama travels to 34 cities on the tour for her book.
00:51:24.000This makes the second hagiography about a Democratic mainstay in the last three months.
00:51:30.000They had Hillary Clinton, they did this celebratory documentary about Hillary Clinton on Netflix.
00:51:36.000Then you had the Taylor Swift documentary, which wasn't about a Democratic mainstay, but it turned her into a political activist.
00:51:40.000We mocked the bleep out of that trailer because it was really a very silly trailer.
00:51:45.000Miss Americana, is that what it was called?
00:51:48.000And now they have a new one, Becoming.
00:51:51.000It's the latest film since the former president and his wife signed a landmark deal with the streaming service in 2018.
00:51:55.000The pair, who run Higher Ground Productions, were involved in Crip Camp, the Nicole Noonhan and James LeBrecht-directed film about a summer camp for teens with disabilities.
00:52:04.000Their first film, American Factory, won the Best Documentary Feature Oscar because, of course, it had Obama's imprimatur on it.
00:52:09.000When I say that I know people in Hollywood, that was to say, I have sort of lost my train of thought, that was to say that in Hollywood, not only are they biased, but for Hollywood, D.C.
00:52:41.000When people say that we're fundamentally unserious because Donald Trump is president, let me point out that we elected a first-term Democratic senator from Chicago who had never done anything.
00:52:55.000And we elected that guy president because he was made a celebrity.
00:52:58.000And regardless of what you think about Barack Obama, As president, the fact is he was a celebrity president.
00:53:03.000The man spent an enormous amount of time hobnobbing with celebrities, far more than Donald Trump does, because celebrities would want to be in his company a lot more, because he's palatable and worshipped.
00:53:15.000So Becoming is going to be directed by Nadia Halgren, a filmmaker and cinematographer from the Bronx.
00:53:19.000She's best known as the DP on Oscar-nominated and Sundance Grand Jury Prize-winning Trouble the Water and CNN's When We Rise, Michelle Obama's mission to educate girls around the world.
00:53:28.000Oh, so remember, CNN also did a Hey Geographic documentary about Michelle Obama.
00:53:32.000By the way, the remaking of Michelle Obama is one of the most astonishing transformations in modern American political history.
00:53:50.000And that is really thanks to the hard work of the people in Hollywood.
00:53:55.000Michelle Obama said, those months I spent traveling, meeting and connecting with people in cities across the globe, drove home the idea that what we share in common is deep and real and can't be messed with.
00:54:03.000In groups large and small, young and old, unique and united, we came together and shared stories, filling those spaces with our joys, worries and dreams.
00:54:10.000We processed the past and imagined a better future.
00:54:12.000In talking about the idea of becoming, many of us dared to say our hopes out loud.
00:54:16.000I treasure the memories and that sense of connection now more than ever as we struggle together to weather this pandemic, as we care for our loved ones, tend to our communities, try to keep up with work and school while coping with huge amounts of lost confusion and uncertainty.
00:54:53.000Laura Bush, I remember when I was at UCLA, the Anderson Business School was protested because Laura Bush was supposed to speak at commencement.
00:54:59.000They've never made a documentary about Laura Bush, who, by the way, is a class act.
00:55:02.000And the only thing they've ever said about Nancy Reagan is that she's a nasty cuss.
00:55:04.000The only thing that Hollywood will ever make about a Republican woman is this ridiculous series called Mrs. America.
00:55:15.000This ridiculous series about Phyllis Schlafly who's supposed to be just the worst person in the world where you have Cate Blanchett doing her brittle Cate Blanchett routine because obviously the greatest villainous in the world is a woman who stood up against the radicals who are pushing the Equal Rights Amendment back in 1976.
00:55:31.000By the way, a story that America desperately needs right now in 2020 is a biopic of Phyllis Schlafly.
00:55:58.000And frankly, I think there are going to be a lot of people across the country who are not particularly shedding a lot of tears for the people in Hollywood who are going to be losing a lot of money during this pandemic as theaters close down.
00:56:07.000The political bias in Hollywood is ridiculous.
00:56:11.000And it does radicalize the culture wars.
00:56:15.000The Republicans feel like they've lost the high ground of culture, and that means that Republicans feel relegated to the realm of politics.
00:56:21.000So if we're going to pour all of our energies into politics, man, then we are going to punch there.
00:57:34.000Hey everybody, it's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.
00:57:37.000You know, some people are depressed because the American Republic is collapsing, the end of days is approaching, and the moon has turned to blood.
00:57:43.000But on The Andrew Klavan Show, that's where the fun just gets started.