The Ben Shapiro Show - The Media Say Trump Is The WORST EVER. They’re Wrong. | The Ben Shapiro Show Ep. 341

00:00:00.000 On Sunday evening, Game of Thrones Season 7 premiered.

00:00:02.000 It opened with Arya Stark, the wrong daughter of beheaded hero Ned Stark, taking revenge on the enemies of her family.

00:00:07.000 This led Neera Tanden, the president of Center for American Progress, to tweet, quote, Arya Stark is the flag for the resistance?

00:00:14.000 Who's with me?

00:00:15.000 Tanden is a former policy director for President Obama.

00:00:18.000 There are two rather large problems with using Arya Stark as a banner for resistance.

00:00:21.000 First,

00:00:22.000 Arya Stark is an assassin. 0.97

00:00:24.000 Yes, she's a fantastic character. 0.61

00:00:25.000 She's fun to watch. 0.94

00:00:26.000 She also goes around killing leaders. 0.95

00:00:28.000 In fact, spoiler alert, she says midway through season seven she's gonna kill somebody who is in a position of power. 0.97

00:00:34.000 So, if the Democrats are attempting to tamp down the violent rhetoric, they're not doing a very good job of it.

00:00:39.000 Second, Democrats keep searching for fictional counterparts for their current situation.

00:00:43.000 First, they cited The Handmaid's Tale as a sort of apocalyptic vision of the Trump era.

00:00:47.000 Now they're moving on to Game of Thrones.

00:00:49.000 The only common theme seems to be that if a show is prominent, it must be a metaphor for Trump's America.

00:00:54.000 But Democrats' entire problem is their failure to live in reality.

00:00:57.000 They seem to believe the more they retreat to fantasy, the better off they'll be.

00:01:00.000 But it was their lack of on-the-ground realism that cost them the 2016 election, and their embrace of the enormous fiction of intersectionality that continues to cost them credibility.

00:01:08.000 Still, Democrats search for a message, and the only message they seem to be able to unify around is that of resistance, even though they can't even explain what they would do if they achieved power.

00:01:18.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:01:18.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:01:26.000 Alrighty, so we have a lot to get to today.

00:01:27.000 I'm talking about the media's attempt to assault Trump on a bunch of different issues.

00:01:33.000 They're moving beyond Russia now because they seem kind of annoyed that they have to keep talking Russia, and so now they're trying to hit Trump with all of the old platitudes.

00:01:40.000 We'll get to that.

00:01:41.000 We're also going to get to Trump's defense on Russia, which is not that wonderful.

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00:03:06.000 Okay, so...

00:03:07.000 The media are still focused on this Trump Jr.

00:03:10.000 Russia meeting, which we'll get to in a little while, but they are trying to broaden their attack on Trump now, because as we approach the midterm elections, some Democrats are starting to realize that just shouting Russia at the top of your lungs ain't gonna do it.

00:03:20.000 Because here's the problem.

00:03:21.000 Trump was elected in November.

00:03:23.000 Most people just want the election to be considered over.

00:03:26.000 Even Democrats are not that interested.

00:03:28.000 A lot of Democrats are not that interested in re-litigating 2016 forever.

00:03:31.000 We're just going to keep re-litigating it until the end of time?

00:03:34.000 I remember back in 2001, there was an attempt by Democrats to re-litigate the election every five minutes, but by the time we hit September of 2001, and it was clear that we needed a president, all that sort of receded into the past.

00:03:45.000 There will be crises under President Trump's watch, because there are crises under everyone's watch, and I think that even Democrats are starting to recognize that it is a mistake

00:03:53.000 to continue to hype the Russia stuff, unless there is new stuff that is coming out.

00:03:57.000 So we'll get to what new stuff may or may not be coming out.

00:04:00.000 But in the meantime, they're coming up with new, more typical democratic attacks on Trump.

00:04:05.000 So I think that a couple of them pop out today.

00:04:09.000 One is from Charles Blow.

00:04:10.000 One of the things that I think people need to understand about the resistance to Trump, the anger at Trump, is that there is scorn for Trump as a human being.

00:04:17.000 It largely springs from Trump's persona.

00:04:19.000 It doesn't spring from his policy.

00:04:20.000 Trump on policy is a lot closer to Democrats than, say, Mitt Romney was in 2012, or even George W. Bush in 2001.

00:04:28.000 The fact is that Donald Trump is a believer in big government.

00:04:31.000 He is somebody who is mirroring a lot of Hillary Clinton's policies with regard to, for example, Syria.

00:04:38.000 His actual detente with Russia looks a lot like Obama's detente with Russia, so it's very weird to see Democrats out there going nuts over him being nice to Russia when Obama was really nice to Russia for eight years and handed them control of Syria, and now they're all upset that Trump seems to be handing control of Syria to Russia.

00:04:52.000 So, you know, Trump on policy is not that far apart from a lot of the things Democrats want, but he angers them in terms of who he is, right?

00:05:01.000 There's a lot of intellectual scorn for Trump, and people on the left and people on the right see that as scorn for the common man.

00:05:08.000 I don't think

00:05:27.000 That is getting at people, and that is that Trump is such a vulgarian that it bothers a lot of people who see him as an interloper in their circles.

00:05:37.000 Trump, in other words, is going through what he has gone through his entire life and his entire career, which is not really great for Trump, because Trump's entire shtick, and this has been true since he was a young man, is that he's been treated as an interloper in the halls of wealth in New York City.

00:05:50.000 His dad was treated as a guy who was new money, not old money.

00:05:53.000 He was sort of the brash American who ran into the British circles, almost. 0.95

00:05:57.000 And Trump still sees himself that way, and the media still treat him that way.

00:06:01.000 And so you get an article from Charles Blow at the New York Times, where he talks about how Donald Trump's language is just appalling.

00:06:09.000 It's just appalling.

00:06:10.000 He says, I know there are things of graver consequences in Donald Trump's regime than his diction, but as a person whose vocation concerns him with language,

00:06:17.000 I am simply appalled by Trump's savage mauling of that language.

00:06:20.000 Listen, I am not super pleased with Trump's syntax. 0.96

00:06:23.000 I think it's ridiculous that Trump doesn't know how to spell on Twitter.

00:06:25.000 But is that among the top ten problems that I have with President Trump? 0.76

00:06:28.000 No, because at the end of the day, who really cares?

00:06:31.000 I mean, it might be a mild irritation, but for the left it's more than a mild irritation.

00:06:34.000 They have cultural differences with Trump.

00:06:36.000 And those cultural differences are not the cultural differences they have with conservatives.

00:06:39.000 It's not about Jesus.

00:06:41.000 It's not about guns, which Trump is not in favor of, really.

00:06:44.000 At least, you know, now he's friendly with the NRA, but he was never a big gun advocate for most of his career.

00:06:48.000 He called for gun control.

00:06:49.000 It's not about all of the typical issues that animate the right and tick off the left.

00:06:53.000 It's much more about they see Trump as just this boor who somehow ended up in a position of power and has never gotten his comeuppance.

00:06:59.000 So that's what Charles Blow is saying, but it's not going to play because it sounds elitist.

00:07:04.000 So, you know, he's pointing out that President Trump uses the word beautiful a lot.

00:07:08.000 He's used it 1,500 times on Twitter in speeches since he began running for office.

00:07:11.000 Like, who cares?

00:07:12.000 Who cares?

00:07:13.000 If they think they're going to win an election based on this sort of nonsense, that's not going to work.

00:07:17.000 And so now they've been relegated to using the usual lines of attack they tried to use on President Bush and on Mitt Romney.

00:07:23.000 And that is, even on John McCain.

00:07:25.000 And that is that he's trying to assault on women.

00:07:27.000 Assault on women.

00:07:28.000 So what is Trump's assault on women?

00:07:29.000 Trump in the past has actually been very pro Planned Parenthood in terms of a lot of the things that he has said.

00:07:34.000 Trump has been very kind about a lot of left issues on social issues like on gay marriage.

00:07:40.000 He's much more to the left than the traditional Republican has been.

00:07:43.000 That still ticks off the left.

00:07:44.000 There's an article in the New York Times today from Michelle Goldberg.

00:07:49.000 called The Playboy President and Women's Health. 0.88

00:07:51.000 And the entire article is about how Trump is trying to take women's birth control away from them.

00:07:55.000 Now, have you seen President Trump?

00:07:58.000 Have you seen his wife?

00:07:59.000 Have you seen his sexual history?

00:08:01.000 Do you truly believe that President Trump is deeply intent on going into women's bedside stands and stealing their birth control?

00:08:07.000 The man was on the cover of Playboy magazine.

00:08:10.000 President Trump could not care less about women's birth control, but the left wants to transform what is a

00:08:16.000 We're good.

00:08:23.000 into he personally hates women, even more than Bush. 0.93

00:08:26.000 You know, Bush was driven by the issues, but Trump, he's just driven by scorn for women.

00:08:30.000 And so Michelle Goldberg writes at the end of her article, again, it's this contempt for his character, this cumulative attack on women's ability to control their reproductive lives would be infuriating no matter who presided over it.

00:08:40.000 But there's an extra shudder of degradation in losing reproductive rights at the hands of a lubricious playboy like Mr. Trump.

00:08:47.000 Unlike longtime anti-abortion activists, Mr. Trump doesn't bother pretending he's acting in women's best interest.

00:08:52.000 Of course that's a reference to the

00:09:15.000 Infamous p-word tape, right?

00:09:16.000 So this idea is that Trump is a uniquely bad person. 0.98

00:09:19.000 So it's not just that Trump is a Republican and we hate Republicans, it's that he's a uniquely bad person. 0.79

00:09:25.000 Jumping on the train about all of this is Joe Scarborough.

00:09:28.000 So Scarborough, who spent an enormous amount of time in the primaries promoting President Trump, has now written an op-ed in which he talks about why he's leaving the Republican Party.

00:09:37.000 And in this op-ed he says, It's a pretty remarkable statement.

00:09:39.000 First of all, Trump himself is against military adventurism.

00:09:41.000 He's much more of an isolationist than he is a neoconservative.

00:09:58.000 As far as bloated government, you know, Trump may like bloated government, but he hasn't been able to actually implement any of it.

00:10:03.000 In fact, the only major accomplishment of his administration, except for Judge Gorsuch, is the paring back of regulations under his secretaries, under the Health and Human Service Secretary and under the EPA Secretary.

00:10:15.000 It's this idea that Trump is some sort of vast break from Republican precedent in terms of policy is silly.

00:10:22.000 It keeps coming back to character.

00:10:23.000 People on the left do not like Donald Trump because of character.

00:10:26.000 There are a lot of people on the right who don't like Donald Trump because of character. 0.86

00:10:29.000 I don't like Donald Trump's character, but the attempt to suggest that he is of a different kind in policy because of his character is silly.

00:10:37.000 I think you can make good arguments about Trump's character, whether he is

00:10:40.000 going to be a good president because of his character, whether he is capable of fulfilling the expectations of the American people because of his character, whether he is too knee-jerk, whether he doesn't study the issues, right?

00:10:49.000 These are all criticisms that I've made of President Trump, but what the left is trying to do is they're trying to say that his character is his policy, and that is not true.

00:10:56.000 They're trying to suggest that his policy is way out.

00:10:59.000 His policy is super crazy.

00:11:01.000 Right?

00:11:01.000 That's just not the case.

00:11:02.000 I mean, Scarborough, of all people, should be talking, considering that he spent an enormous amount of time during the primaries pushing Trump in spite of and because of his various heresies on Republican policy.

00:11:13.000 Remember, Trump did not run as a traditional Republican.

00:11:15.000 So now, the left is sort of at a loss of what to do with Trump, and so they're trying to go back to the same playbook.

00:11:20.000 They're trying to pretend that Donald Trump is a traditional Republican, except for worse.

00:11:24.000 He's not a traditional Republican, and the flaws that Trump has are really character flaws, less than policy flaws. 0.98

00:11:31.000 Like, I don't like a lot of his policy, but to pretend that it's a huge difference from Dwight Eisenhower or George W. Bush, even, is really, really dumb. 0.95

00:11:39.000 It's not true. 0.89

00:11:40.000 So, the left is getting more and more frustrated.

00:11:43.000 What's amazing about all of this is that if the left were truly smart, if they're truly smart, they'd be buttering him up.

00:11:48.000 Because the truth is, right now, they're in sort of a weird situation.

00:11:51.000 They're trying to

00:11:52.000 We're good.

00:12:08.000 shy off his bad behavior, but I don't think that his politics are a threat to the nature of the Republic.

00:12:13.000 You know, for all the talk about him being a fascist, that has not materialized.

00:12:16.000 In fact, the Democrats are stuck between a rock and a hard place because on the one hand they want to claim that he's a unique threat, and on the other hand they have to recognize that nothing is actually getting done.

00:12:24.000 So if he's that unique a threat, then why aren't things getting done?

00:12:27.000 You know, Al Gore is out there openly saying Trump isn't getting anything done.

00:12:30.000 So okay, if that's the case, then why are you all so upset, gang?

00:12:33.000 You've spent half your life in politics, some of it at the highest levels.

00:12:38.000 Second highest levels.

00:12:39.000 Second highest levels.

00:12:40.000 Excuse me, Mr. Vice President, that's right.

00:12:43.000 What do you make of this young administration so far?

00:12:46.000 Every day it's another set of tweets and another set of controversies and they're not getting anything done.

00:12:53.000 His biggest worry was what might be undone if Mr. Trump kept his campaign promise to pull out of the Paris Accord.

00:13:00.000 He tried more than once to change Mr. Trump's mind, even visiting him at Trump Tower before the inauguration.

00:13:07.000 Did you find him receptive, Mr. Trump, to your argument?

00:13:12.000 I found him attentive, and you can misinterpret that for being receptive.

00:13:19.000 But yes, I did think that there was a real chance that he would come to his senses on this.

00:13:25.000 But in June, this happened.

00:13:28.000 The United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord

00:13:38.000 Okay, so Al Gore is saying that, you know, he's a unique threat, but at the same time he's not getting anything done.

00:13:43.000 And that's, that's sort of, it's sort of a weird situation that Democrats are now in.

00:13:46.000 So, because nothing is happening, they don't have a point of attack on Trump, and so they're forced to go to the well with these old attacks on, oh, he's trying to take your birth control, or, oh, he hates women, or, oh, he's attempting to destroy healthcare, right?

00:13:59.000 These are all old attacks, and they're not going to work on President Trump.

00:14:02.000 Now, what is a problem for President Trump

00:14:04.000 I think?

00:14:27.000 This is sort of the funny thing.

00:14:29.000 While the Democrats are focused on President Trump because President Trump gives them a unified message, the Republicans in Congress would be a much richer target for them because the fact is that even Trump supporters don't like Congress.

00:14:38.000 Even Trump's most ardent supporters look at Congress and say these people don't know what they're doing.

00:14:42.000 Now the irony of the situation is that one of the reasons they don't know what they're doing is because the Trump administration has not given them any guidance.

00:14:50.000 So Republican incompetence

00:14:52.000 The leading edge of the spear.

00:14:54.000 I mean, not to give Democrats advice, but if you're going to run in 2018 on a winning platform, the winning platform shouldn't be the Democrats that Republicans are malevolent, per se, because I don't know how well it's going to work.

00:15:04.000 I mean, Hillary tried that. 1.00

00:15:06.000 The winning platform should be these people are wildly incompetent and you should never trust them with power.

00:15:10.000 And they should be using the Obamacare debacle as an example of that.

00:15:13.000 The Republicans keep running directly into the teeth of the Democratic attacks on this and the Democrats don't even notice.

00:15:18.000 Tom Price, who's the Health and Human Services Secretary, he was on the TV shows on Sunday, I believe this is on CNN, or ABC rather, and here is Tom Price trying to explain

00:15:33.000 What did they have to say about this new idea, this latest installment in the bill to give more power to the states?

00:15:53.000 Well, what their concerns are, obviously, and what our concerns are, is to make certain that every single American has access to the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their families.

00:16:02.000 And the bill has changed significantly so that we believe that there is significant opportunity for that goal to be accomplished.

00:16:10.000 The governors want flexibility.

00:16:11.000 They want to make certain that they're able to design their Medicaid program as they see fit for their population.

00:16:16.000 But they also want to make certain that the resources are there to be able to cover that vulnerable population.

00:16:22.000 And one of the interesting things that's in this bill that wasn't in previous iterations

00:16:26.000 Is the opportunity to make certain that those folks that actually fell into a gap below 100 percent of the poverty level, but above where a state might allow individuals on the Medicaid system, that hole was not covered before.

00:16:39.000 This bill provides for coverage for those individuals through the tax credit process.

00:16:43.000 Okay, it's that last line that is the problem for Republicans, and this is where Democrats should run, okay?

00:17:05.000 Republicans keep saying that Trumpcare is going to cover more people.

00:17:08.000 They are using a Democrat metric.

00:17:10.000 The metric for healthcare success should not be the number of people covered.

00:17:13.000 You could cover everyone right now if you just made everyone eligible for Medicaid, but Medicaid doesn't actually increase medical outcomes.

00:17:19.000 It doesn't make them better.

00:17:20.000 The fact is the number of people covered is not nearly as important as the outcome of medical care.

00:17:25.000 What you need is more medical care and more access to medical care, not health insurance that doesn't actually cover the people that you want.

00:17:32.000 Right, but Republicans are now using Democratic metrics for all of this, and this is the problem.

00:17:36.000 Because on the one hand, what that means is that you're splitting the Republican base.

00:17:38.000 On the one hand, you have people like me, who say free markets are the best, and you don't need everyone covered.

00:17:45.000 People get to make their own decisions about whether they want coverage or not.

00:17:47.000 That's people like Rand Paul, and I think Rand Paul is exactly correct on this.

00:17:50.000 Here is the senator from Kentucky.

00:17:53.000 Whenever it comes up, whenever Senator McCain is in good health and comes back, does Senate Majority Leader McConnell have the votes to pass this revised bill?

00:18:04.000 You know, I don't think right now he does, and the real problem we have is, you know, we won four elections on repealing Obamacare, but this bill keeps most of the Obamacare taxes, keeps most of the regulations, keeps most of the subsidies, and creates something that Republicans have never been for, and that's a giant insurance bailout super fund.

00:18:23.000 That's not a Republican idea to give taxpayer money to a private industry that already makes $15 billion in profit.

00:18:30.000 Okay, so Rand Paul is exactly correct, and on the right we're saying, okay, we need less regulation, less subsidy, but if you make your goal covering everyone through health insurance, no matter the quality of the health insurance, no matter whether they can keep their doctor, no matter whether it makes the life outcomes better, notice, life expectancy in the United States dropped for the first time in decades last year under Obamacare.

00:18:49.000 So this idea that Obamacare is the cure-all is just ridiculous, but if you use Obamacare's metric as a metric of success,

00:18:56.000 Do you think that the bill will pass or do you think there are enough other wavering Republicans that it will not?

00:19:15.000 There are about eight to ten Republican senators who have serious concerns about this bill.

00:19:22.000 And so at the end of the day, I don't know whether it will pass.

00:19:26.000 Okay, so this is the big problem for Republicans.

00:19:29.000 They have a caucus that is split on their own.

00:19:31.000 It is easier in American politics today to engage in the politics of opposition than it is to engage in the politics of governance.

00:19:37.000 If you lied for years and years and years, then it's going to come around to haunt you, and that's what Democrats found out after 2010.

00:19:42.000 It's what Republicans are finding out now.

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00:21:22.000 Okay, so Meanwhile the Democrats as I say they could be focusing in on the fact that Republicans can't unify around this stuff But if Republicans can't unify around this stuff, it's hard to portray them as dangerous.

00:21:32.000 So What do you do?

00:21:35.000 right if you're the Democrats and you can't portray the Republicans as super competent and highly dangerous and You also can't portray them as so incompetent.

00:21:43.000 They're gonna break the system What do you do?

00:21:44.000 And the answer is you go to ancillary issues you look for

00:21:47.000 Some sort of conspiracy theory with which to hammer them.

00:21:50.000 You look for some sort of evil action that you can latch on to.

00:21:54.000 You paint Trump as an outlier.

00:21:56.000 Something deeply evil has happened here.

00:21:58.000 And this is why the Democrats are so obsessed with Russia.

00:21:59.000 Not only because they want to overturn the election, not only because they have cultural scorn for President Trump, but also because they do not have a point of unity because the Republicans are not offering them a point of unity.

00:22:10.000 So, Republicans

00:22:12.000 Are not fulfilling their campaign promises.

00:22:14.000 They're not getting anything done, but they're also not offering them a point to run on.

00:22:17.000 So inaction is actually the enemy of the Democrats here.

00:22:19.000 If you're a Democrat, what you want is for Republicans to pass this Trumpcare bill so that you can run against the Trumpcare bill and say that Republicans just ruined your health care.

00:22:26.000 But that is stalled right now.

00:22:28.000 So instead, Democrats are now looking into ancillary issues.

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00:24:18.000 So, how desperate are Democrats to pin something on Trump with regards to the Russia stuff?

00:24:22.000 They're desperate, as I say again, to review, for a couple reasons.

00:24:24.000 One, they can't get him on character.

00:24:26.000 Everybody knows Trump's character at this point.

00:24:27.000 It is what it is.

00:24:28.000 Two, they can't get the Republicans on being evil because the Republicans aren't doing anything.

00:24:32.000 And three, it's hard to get the Republicans on incompetence because, while it's true, it is also not something that spurs people to the polls in any real serious way.

00:24:40.000 Democrats are instead looking to ancillary issues.

00:24:43.000 They're trying to find another way to label Republicans evil, even while the Republicans don't really do anything.

00:24:46.000 So Mark Warner, the Democratic senator from West Virginia, he comes out and he says, you know, we're going to start looking into ancillary issues about Russia, like digital bots.

00:24:56.000 Yes, really.

00:24:58.000 We've got more investigation to look into.

00:25:02.000 I would like to also look into the activities of Cambridge Analytica.

00:25:05.000 I'd like to look into the activities of the Trump digital campaign.

00:25:09.000 I will point out this.

00:25:10.000 Facebook, which basically denied any responsibility around our elections by the time the French elections took place this spring, they actually took down 30,000 fake sites.

00:25:21.000 We also know that it's been estimated that 8% of all Twitter accounts are fake.

00:25:27.000 So the whole thing here is to create a miasma of scandal around Trump.

00:25:30.000 Now Trump isn't helping with that because the miasma of scandal has attached to him

00:25:48.000 And this Trump Jr.

00:25:49.000 meeting last week, the revelation of it and the fact that Donald Trump Jr.

00:25:52.000 himself released emails, obviously doesn't help along those lines.

00:25:56.000 But just to prove the hypocrisy of the Democrats on this stuff, and they are hypocrites, I mean, Teddy Kennedy in 1984 actively attempted to collude with the Russian government, saying that he wanted to work with them in order to take down President Ronald Reagan.

00:26:06.000 And the Russians basically pledged their support to him. 0.95

00:26:09.000 Teddy Kennedy was a hero until he died in the Democratic Party.

00:26:12.000 Adam Schiff, who's the Democratic congressperson from out here in California, he says that when Hillary Clinton's people were meeting with Ukraine to get OPPO research on Trump, that it really wasn't that big a deal.

00:26:23.000 They've also pointed to this issue with the Democratic Party and the Ukrainian embassy.

00:26:30.000 This comes from a story in Politico that ran in January.

00:26:33.000 The headline, Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.

00:26:37.000 And I want to read from the article.

00:26:38.000 A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the DNC met with top officials in the Ukrainian embassy in an effort to expose ties between Trump

00:26:46.000 Top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia.

00:26:49.000 The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in this race, helping force Manafort's resignation and advancing the narrative that the Trump campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine's foe to the east, Russia.

00:27:01.000 So, let me ask you, I understand Hillary Clinton lost, I understand this effort was not as elaborate as the Russian effort, but was it acceptable or would it have been acceptable for the Democrats to accept help

00:27:13.000 No, it would be appropriate for the Democrats to accept help from the Ukrainian government.

00:27:20.000 But I think if you look at the Politico article, and we're talking about just a single article here, if you accept all the facts in the article, the scale of what the Russians did is not comparable to anything in that article.

00:27:32.000 If it were, the comparable analogy would be that the Ukrainian president directed the Ukrainian intelligence agencies to steal, to hack Donald Trump's campaign, steal emails, publish them, direct them to social media.

00:27:44.000 Okay, again, this is ignoring the issue, right?

00:27:45.000 I mean, the fact is you're either colluding with a foreign government in affecting the election, or you're not.

00:27:49.000 Now, I think the clearer line of demarcation is that the Ukrainian government is allied with the United States government, whereas the Russian government is at odds with the American government.

00:27:56.000 It's hard for Democrats to make that case, considering that they were considering Vladimir Putin an ally until seven minutes ago.

00:28:01.000 I mean, until the election cycle, Vladimir Putin was their bestest friend.

00:28:05.000 So Democrats continue to reach with this.

00:28:07.000 Now, the Trump campaign, well, the Trump administration has a series of defenses they could use for all of this.

00:28:12.000 They could say, number one, Bob Mueller is already investigating this stuff.

00:28:15.000 Whatever will come out will come out.

00:28:17.000 Number two, they could say this has all been overblown.

00:28:19.000 Everybody is making a fuss over something that really is not that big a deal. 0.99

00:28:22.000 Number three, they could say Democrats are hypocrites, which is true. 0.99

00:28:25.000 It doesn't excuse our behavior, but for Democrats to complain about it is pretty ridiculous. 0.99

00:28:28.000 All of these things are true. 0.89

00:28:30.000 Instead, the Trump team continues to be really bad at this.

00:28:33.000 So Trump is leading his own defense.

00:28:36.000 Rule in lawyering.

00:28:37.000 Never be your own lawyer.

00:28:38.000 Okay?

00:28:38.000 If you are ever convicted of a- if you're ever accused of a crime, you should never be your own lawyer.

00:28:42.000 You always see it in the movies.

00:28:43.000 I'm gonna represent myself.

00:28:44.000 Okay?

00:28:45.000 People who represent themselves lose 100% of the time.

00:28:48.000 President Trump seems to be thinking

00:28:49.000 That if he defends himself, despite the fact there's an entire infrastructure of people out there willing to defend him, from talk radio to Fox News, I will defend him if I think that he is right.

00:28:57.000 Despite all of that, he feels the need to defend himself.

00:29:01.000 And so he goes on the Rampage on Twitter and he starts tweeting about his approval ratings and about fake news distorting democracy.

00:29:07.000 Here's what he tweeted about his approval ratings.

00:29:09.000 His approval ratings over the weekend were at 36%.

00:29:11.000 He said the ABC Washington Post poll, even though almost 40% is not bad at this time, was just about the most inaccurate poll around election time.

00:29:18.000 There's no need for him to do this.

00:29:19.000 The reason there's no need for him to do this is because, number one, it is the worst poll for a president at this point in his presidency in the history of polling.

00:29:26.000 Really, 36% is lower than any president in the history of modern American polling.

00:29:30.000 And number two, it is not true the ABC Washington Post poll was the worst around election time.

00:29:34.000 They were actually one of the closest around election time.

00:29:36.000 They had Hillary 49-46. 0.98

00:29:37.000 She ended up winning 48-46 in the popular vote.

00:29:41.000 But the reason this is bad is because it undermines what is a legit claim.

00:29:44.000 Which is that the media have done a very poor job covering the Russia stuff, and they have blown up every single issue into an end-of-the-world issue, right?

00:29:51.000 Every molehill is a mountain, in the media's view.

00:29:53.000 That would be a legit criticism.

00:29:55.000 But because Trump feels the need to punch back on every single report, true or not true, he ends up undermining his own credibility in a battle that he should be able to easily win against the media.

00:30:03.000 So, when he says stuff like this, right, when he says about fake news,

00:30:07.000 He tweets regarding fake news that it is distorting democracy.

00:30:11.000 He says, with all of its phony unnamed sources and highly slanted and even fraudulent reporting, fake news is distorting democracy in our country.

00:30:17.000 That is true.

00:30:18.000 Okay, what he's saying there is true.

00:30:19.000 But after just tweeting that a poll that was pretty accurate was not accurate and that his approval ratings are not that bad, it's not, he's not making a strong case for himself.

00:30:29.000 Now I do think that the inaccuracies of the media are really bad.

00:30:32.000 I think what's worse is the media pretending to be objective.

00:30:34.000 So this is a little bit of a subtle difference from some of the things you're hearing.

00:30:38.000 My friend Dennis Prager tweeted out over the weekend that the media are more of a threat to Western civilization than the Russian government.

00:30:45.000 And obviously he doesn't mean that they're more of a threat to American citizens.

00:30:47.000 He means they're more of a threat to the lasting conservatism of the American people.

00:30:53.000 But, what he said on Fox News was, we need an objective media again.

00:30:57.000 I don't think there is such a thing as an objective media.

00:30:59.000 I think what we need is an openly partisan media.

00:31:01.000 So, what Trump is saying here, which is that they use phony, unnamed sources in highly slanted, even fraudulent reporting, again, you know, Trump doesn't get to complain about this considering how many unnamed sources that are phony he has actually used, including himself.

00:31:14.000 I mean, he used to use himself as his own press agent and call himself Jim Miller, John Miller.

00:31:19.000 But,

00:31:20.000 The problem is that this critique is right.

00:31:23.000 It would be a correct critique if you are honest.

00:31:25.000 Honest people can make this critique.

00:31:27.000 People who tend to fib cannot make this critique about the news media.

00:31:29.000 So that undercuts attack number one, attack line number one by Trump.

00:31:32.000 Attack line number two is just... I don't know if this was designed to help Trump, but it really hurts him actually.

00:31:38.000 Jay Sekulow is Trump's lawyer.

00:31:41.000 And he's on ABC News this week, and he is asked about this Trump Jr.

00:31:48.000 Russia meeting, and here's what he had to say.

00:31:50.000 Well, I've wondered why the Secret Service, if this was nefarious, why did the Secret Service allow these people in?

00:31:56.000 The President had Secret Service protection at that point.

00:31:58.000 That raised a question with me.

00:32:00.000 Okay, again, this is a bad line of defense because then the Secret Service comes out and they say, well, he wasn't even under protection at the time, right?

00:32:06.000 He hadn't even won the primaries yet, so he didn't even have Secret Service at the time.

00:32:09.000 Second of all, Secret Service doesn't vet meetings with the President.

00:32:12.000 They vet it for security reasons, but they don't vet it for national security reasons, right?

00:32:17.000 If you decide that you're going to collude, like, they want to make sure that Trump doesn't get shot or his campaign members don't get shot, but Secret Service's job is not to vet people who meet with the President of the United States. 0.71

00:32:25.000 That's a silly, silly line of defense, and a weak line of defense. 0.57

00:32:29.000 And here's the problem. 0.97

00:32:30.000 The weaker the line of defense for the Trump administration, the more people are going to want to dig.

00:32:34.000 And then you finally get to defense number three, and I think this is the one that the Republicans ought to avoid, but are going to embrace.

00:32:39.000 I think that we are moments away from the Republicans embracing this defense full-scale.

00:32:42.000 Jeanine Pirro, Judge Jeanine on Fox News, she represents the same sort of id that Donald Trump represents in the conservative movement in the Republican Party.

00:32:50.000 She's sort of the headline version of conservatism. 1.00

00:32:54.000 Again, she'll say things that are inflammatory and outrageous sometimes, but I think that her head is where a large segment of the Republican base is, and here's what she had to say about this Trump Jr.

00:33:04.000 Russia meeting.

00:33:05.000 As someone who's run for office five times.

00:33:09.000 If the devil called me and said he wanted to set up a meeting to give me opposition research on my opponent, I'd be on the first trolley to hell to get it. 0.99

00:33:21.000 And any politician who tells you otherwise is a bald-faced liar. 0.97

00:33:26.000 Okay, so this is the new politics, right? 0.73

00:33:28.000 Donald Trump tweeted the exact same thing this morning.

00:33:30.000 He tweets, That's politics!

00:33:31.000 Okay, well...

00:33:38.000 That is, I think, how many people perceive American politics, but this is one of the problems with pop culture and media generally.

00:33:45.000 It is true that politicians are corrupt. 0.93

00:33:47.000 It is true that politicians are dirty and play dirty.

00:33:50.000 It is not true that everybody in the United States who's running for politics would meet with a foreign government to get opposition research on their opponent.

00:33:56.000 Not when there was a basic expectation of a quid pro quo.

00:33:59.000 If you're meeting with the Russian government, the idea there's no quid pro quo expected 0.91

00:34:02.000 is relatively silly. 0.91

00:34:04.000 But the American people have a perception of politics that it is ultimately dirty. 0.96

00:34:08.000 They think that American politics is house of cards.

00:34:10.000 Trump is not a government guy.

00:34:12.000 So it's not as though Trump has spent his entire life dealing with people in government.

00:34:15.000 You know, whenever Trump talks about his fellows in government, I had the same problem with John McCain about campaign finance reform.

00:34:20.000 He'd constantly say, we need campaign finance reform because everybody in politics is corrupt. 0.78

00:34:25.000 And I just wanted to ask him one question.

00:34:27.000 Okay, John, have you ever been bribed by a corporation?

00:34:30.000 What makes you think you're so much more honest than everybody else in your profession?

00:34:33.000 And the same thing I would ask of Jeanine Pirro or of Trump, which is, okay, you know, you think you're honest, but why are you more honest than anybody else?

00:34:42.000 I guess the argument here is that they shouldn't be honest, that nobody should be honest in politics, that we should live down to our worst expectation of politics.

00:34:47.000 If that's the case, then we are on a fast road here.

00:34:50.000 We are on a fast road to something quite terrible.

00:34:53.000 I do think that people revel in the dirty of it.

00:34:57.000 I think people on our side, both sides, I don't want to say just our side, I think people on both sides revel in the breaking the rules of it, in the hard-nosed of it, as I talked about last week, but I don't think that that's a good thing.

00:35:09.000 I think that good people try to tailor the means they use to the ends they seek to achieve.

00:35:14.000 They don't revel in the means just because it's fun to use the means, and I think that's sort of where we're going.

00:35:19.000 With all this.

00:35:20.000 Now again, does any of this mean that anything deeply nefarious was done?

00:35:23.000 No.

00:35:23.000 I mean, again, I'm not somebody who thinks that it's good that Donald Trump did this, but I'm failing to see the quid pro quo.

00:35:29.000 I don't see what the pro quo is.

00:35:31.000 I don't see how Trump has paid off Russia, per se, yet.

00:35:34.000 I'm still open to evidence, but I haven't seen that.

00:35:37.000 I don't know exactly even how the collusion was done during the campaign.

00:35:40.000 As I said last week, there's a lot of talk about collusion, but I don't know what that collusion looks like.

00:35:45.000 It looks a lot more to me

00:35:46.000 Like the media are trying to seize on talk of collusion and have been for six months.

00:35:49.000 Now they have a bone they can actually gnaw on, and that's Trump Jr.'

00:35:52.000 's fault, and that's Trump's fault.

00:35:54.000 And it may in fact come out that Trump was knowledgeable about this meeting, in which case they shouldn't have been denying things, right?

00:35:59.000 The cover-up is always worse than the crime.

00:36:01.000 But I'm skeptical that any of this takes Trump down, and I'm skeptical the American people care all that much other than the general miasma that Trump is corrupt in some bizarre way.

00:36:11.000 Okay.

00:36:11.000 Time for some things I like, and then some things that I hate.

00:36:14.000 So.

00:36:15.000 Things that I like.

00:36:17.000 We did this last week.

00:36:18.000 We all got very enthusiastic about the Game of Thrones season premiere that happened last night, which I thought was slow but had a couple of great things in it.

00:36:27.000 There were like three great moments, right?

00:36:28.000 There's one having to do with the Hound, there's the opener, and then there's a good moment with an unexpected character in an unexpected place.

00:36:35.000 I think those are the three good moments of the premiere.

00:36:38.000 We got very excited around here, and I got out my violin, and we put this together last week.

00:36:43.000 The entire staff put all of their work aside to make this ridiculous thing that I'm about to show you.

00:36:48.000 It is our tribute to Game of Thrones.

00:37:00.000 We're good to go.

00:37:33.000 We're good to go.

00:38:14.000 So that was a thing that we actually did.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, that's real life right there.

00:38:18.000 It just shows you, I think, what people are interested in.

00:38:22.000 That video has combined about 1.3 million views in less than a day.

00:38:26.000 So, well done everybody.

00:38:28.000 Really, our staff was great.

00:38:29.000 They put the whole thing together.

00:38:30.000 That is me.

00:38:31.000 For those who couldn't see, that is me playing three parts on the violin.

00:38:34.000 But it has some pretty wild imagery.

00:38:36.000 You can go over to Facebook later and check it out.

00:38:38.000 I don't want to give it away if you haven't actually seen it.

00:38:40.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:38:41.000 I actually have some pretty epic things I liked today.

00:38:44.000 So, other things that I like.

00:38:46.000 This was pretty great.

00:38:47.000 Yesterday I had a baseball game.

00:38:49.000 A Yankees-Red Sox baseball game.

00:38:51.000 So the Yankees and the Red Sox hate each other if you're not a baseball fan.

00:38:54.000 Fans hate each other.

00:38:54.000 I've been to a Yankees-Red Sox game.

00:38:56.000 It can get really brutal.

00:38:57.000 I was out in the bleachers one year when people started pouring beer on each other and fighting.

00:39:01.000 That is not uncommon.

00:39:02.000 So at this Yankees-Red Sox game, there's a Red Sox fan who's sitting in the front row and he catches a foul ball and here's what he does.

00:39:09.000 And Yankee fans can't make nice.

00:39:10.000 This is a wonderful moment.

00:39:11.000 A Sox fan handing this little lady the baseball. 0.76

00:39:14.000 Watch what happens next.

00:39:16.000 That is so cute.

00:39:17.000 Very sweet.

00:39:20.000 So we can all get along.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, it's

00:39:44.000 You've got a child in the car with no child seat.

00:39:58.000 Hey, officer.

00:40:00.000 How's it going?

00:40:02.000 I haven't seen you in forever, man.

00:40:03.000 What's going on?

00:40:04.000 Well, I just got out of the hospital.

00:40:06.000 How's it going?

00:40:06.000 Oh, well.

00:40:07.000 I'm actually kind of sleepy today, I'll be honest with you.

00:40:09.000 Yeah, I'm not going to lie to you.

00:40:10.000 Well, I've got to be honest.

00:40:11.000 The reason why I stopped you is because you've got a child in the car with no child seat.

00:40:14.000 I don't have no child seat.

00:40:16.000 I don't have a child seat.

00:40:18.000 Are you sure?

00:40:18.000 Yes, sir.

00:40:20.000 Are you positive about this?

00:40:21.000 I'm positive.

00:40:22.000 What are you saying I do?

00:40:26.000 I don't see one.

00:40:29.000 We do have a child in the car with no car seat.

00:40:31.000 I think that means you're a daddy, buddy.

00:40:41.000 Now I'm just going to tell you now, Todd is a great name.

00:40:45.000 That's the name of the officer.

00:40:51.000 Awesome.

00:40:52.000 This is awesome.

00:40:54.000 Open.

00:41:01.000 Take it out.

00:41:03.000 What's it say?

00:41:04.000 Dad, see you on your birthday.

00:41:08.000 Do on your birthday?

00:41:10.000 Are you kidding me?

00:41:11.000 Do on your birthday?

00:41:12.000 Yeah, keep going.

00:41:19.000 I love my healing dad.

00:41:22.000 Super cute.

00:41:22.000 So, you know, there's always this attempt to make cops out to be the worst people in the world in the media.

00:41:27.000 The only time you ever see cops is when something bad happens.

00:41:30.000 Obviously, that is not true.

00:41:32.000 And this is a terrific video, so I'm glad that's out there.

00:41:35.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.

00:41:41.000 Okay, so I've been friends with Ann Coulter for a very long time.

00:41:44.000 I mean, I've been friends with Ann since I was like 16 years old, 17 years old.

00:41:48.000 And she's always been very nice to me.

00:41:49.000 We've been very friendly.

00:41:50.000 We've gone out to dinner many times.

00:41:52.000 I don't know what the hell happened on Delta Airlines, but I think this is totally inappropriate.

00:41:56.000 So I've been in situations, I was in a situation with American Airlines a couple of years ago, where I was supposed to fly in for a speech, and they canceled my flight.

00:42:04.000 It was set for like two hours before the speech.

00:42:07.000 They canceled the flight.

00:42:07.000 Then I could have gotten on the follow-up and maybe made it to the speech on time.

00:42:11.000 And they put me on the standby list, and then I was the last person about to get on the plane, and they cancelled the standby list, and they put on a bunch of their own employees.

00:42:19.000 And then they had the employees fill the seats. 0.80

00:42:21.000 I was ticked, and I tweeted about how ticked I was at American Airlines.

00:42:24.000 At no point did I ever attack the actual employees who were standing in front of me.

00:42:28.000 At no point did I take their pictures, or suggest, or put out their names, or suggest that they were the bad guys. 1.00

00:42:33.000 I attacked the airline because it's the stupid airline policy that sucks, right? 0.99

00:42:35.000 It's not the fault of the employees. 1.00

00:42:36.000 These are people who are just going about their daily business.

00:42:39.000 We're good to go.

00:42:59.000 And she said, just when you think it's safe to fly them again, the worst airline in America is still Delta. 0.96

00:43:03.000 Suckiest Delta, move me from my pre-booked seat and give it to some woman, not elderly, child, or sick. 1.00

00:43:08.000 I have pictures, so don't lie, Delta. 0.98

00:43:10.000 And then she continued along these lines, and she tweeted out a picture of the actual woman sitting in her seat, whose fault it is not.

00:43:20.000 Right, okay, it's fussy.

00:43:22.000 I think we could all—Delta, eventually,

00:43:25.000 Tweeted back at her.

00:43:31.000 They said, Again, I'm friends with Ann, but I can't blame Delta here.

00:43:41.000 I really can't.

00:43:42.000 I mean, if you're tweeting out photos of other passengers who haven't done anything wrong, or if you're directly attacking the employees, I have a problem with this.

00:43:49.000 I think that not only is it not nice, it makes for a worse country.

00:43:53.000 I think it just makes for a worse environment in which we live.

00:43:54.000 We have to understand and give each other the benefit of the doubt that we're all trying to do a job.

00:44:00.000 And I don't think that it's the Delta employee.

00:44:02.000 Like, she's suggesting that it was some sort of anti-conservative bias.

00:44:05.000 Maybe she just showed up late for a flight and they gave away her $30. 0.96

00:44:08.000 She said that it cost her $10,000 because of all the time it took for her to book stuff.

00:44:13.000 Okay.

00:44:14.000 I'm sorry, no.

00:44:15.000 Okay, first of all, I'm sure Anne has an assistant. 0.98

00:44:18.000 If she doesn't, she should get one, because if she's still booking her own flights, then she's doing it—she's wasting her time.

00:44:23.000 But, it's—but...

00:44:25.000 You know, I think that it's easy for those of us who have some level of fame and prominence to start treating people badly who are in positions that are less well-paid, less famous.

00:44:37.000 And I just don't, as a conservative and, you know, as a religious person, I'm just not a fan.

00:44:43.000 I think you can rip the airline up and down.

00:44:44.000 I don't care if it, like she says, Delta model, how can we make your flight more uncomfortable?

00:44:48.000 See, that's fine with me.

00:44:49.000 I don't care.

00:44:50.000 Like, if you want to rip Delta for doing it, that's fine.

00:44:52.000 But taking pictures of the people on the flight, which is what she did,

00:44:55.000 And then ripping the staff at Delta, as though it's the staff's fault.

00:44:59.000 Again, unless she has evidence of that, it's not my cup of tea.

00:45:03.000 I'm not a big fan.

00:45:03.000 You see this from right and left.

00:45:04.000 It's not a right-left issue, right?

00:45:06.000 I mean, there are people on the left who have done this as well, very famously.

00:45:11.000 And everybody needs to calm the hell down when it comes to travel.

00:45:13.000 Okay.

00:45:15.000 So, we'll be back here tomorrow.

00:45:16.000 Hopefully the news will be better.

00:45:18.000 I'd like to see, it's supposed to be Make America Work Again week, so hopefully President Trump will stay on message this week and it won't just be more Russia talk.

00:45:26.000 But all of that depends on what happens today, so we will see.

00:45:29.000 I'm Ben Shapiro, this is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - July 17, 2017

The Media Say Trump Is The WORST EVER. They’re Wrong. | The Ben Shapiro Show Ep. 341

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