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The Plot To Destroy America | Ep. 1103


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New details emerge in the FBI investigation into Trump campaign members, and they are damning for the FBI. Violence continues in Louisville, as the media refuses to look at the facts surrounding Breonna Taylor s death, and Trump reiterates he won t concede the election if he suspects voter fraud. Plus, the whole Russiagate scandal, the attempt by members of the intelligence community to target people who are members of Trump s campaign, and do so on the basis of extraordinarily thin evidence. And a special edition of Daily Wire, Backstage featuring a live performance from the Rock 'em Sock'em Robots! Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code: CRUDEWORD to receive 20% off your first order with code BenShawn. Don t let others track what you do, stop that, keep yourself safe at ExpressVPN. Keep yourself safe! Don't let others, including the FBI, spy on you, keep you safe. Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire is sponsored by ExpressVPN, a VPN company that makes secure, ultra-secure, high-performance VPN services. Don t forget to use ExpressVPN to protect yourself, not only online, but offline, from all sorts of threats and cyber-espionage, spying, spying and spying threats, and anything else you can t get your hands on. Subscribe to the ExpressVPN service to keep yourself up to date with the latest in the latest VPN news and privacy, and stay up-to-date with the most secure, secure, and secure VPN tools, anywhere you can access the latest and greatest in the world! Today's show is Sponsored by Express VPNs, you get 20% all day, no credit card, no fees required, 24/7 access to all of the best VPNs available anywhere you go, no surge pricing, no pop quiz, no frills, and no spam, no spam included in the entire world gets that means you'll get a whole lot of privacy, you'll be the ultimate privacy guarantee, no scam, and a whole bunch of privacy and control access to the world's most secure privacy, no matter where you're going to get the most of the world, no longer needs it, no less, no worries, no fizzles, no more privacy, guaranteed, no questions asked, no lie, no fraud, no need to know, and you won't be spied on, and more privacy anywhere else will be able to access it, right?


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00:00:00.000 New details emerge in the FBI investigation into Trump campaign members, and they are damning for the FBI.
00:00:05.000 Violence continues in Louisville as the media refused to look at the facts surrounding Breonna Taylor's death.
00:00:10.000 And Trump reiterates he won't concede the election if he suspects voter fraud.
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00:02:01.000 The whole Russiagate scandal, the attempt by members of the intelligence community to target people who are members of the Trump campaign, and do so on the basis of extraordinarily thin evidence.
00:02:09.000 with CodeBenC, cite for details.
00:02:12.000 All righty, so, the whole Russiagate scandal, the attempt by members of the intelligence community to target people who are members of the Trump campaign and do so on the basis of extraordinarily thin evidence, this is particularly true with, for example, Carter Page, who is targeted on the basis of, essentially, no evidence other than weird allegations made in the Steele dossier.
00:02:35.000 This has been an ongoing scandal for a while, and I'll be honest with you, it was so complex and so confusing and so speculative at the beginning, I didn't cover it.
00:02:44.000 I wasn't the first person to cover it.
00:02:45.000 The person who I think covered it the best is probably Dan Bongino.
00:02:47.000 By the way, best wishes to Dan.
00:02:49.000 He just announced that he has some sort of neck tumor and so we obviously are all praying for him.
00:02:52.000 Dan covered this at length in his book Spygate.
00:02:54.000 He's been covering it on his show, but It is now perfectly obvious that there were members of the intelligence community who simply wanted to see the Trump campaign targeted.
00:03:02.000 That ranged from obviously Peter Strzok and Lisa Page to possibly James Comey, who was basically preventing information from being disseminated through the proper channels.
00:03:11.000 He was not informing the incoming Trump administration of suspicions about members of the Trump campaign.
00:03:17.000 He was going above and beyond the law in order to target Michael Flynn, so much so that now Attorney General William Barr has decided not to prosecute Michael Flynn.
00:03:25.000 Well, now we have more evidence that members of the intelligence community were perverting the system in order to go after members of the Trump campaign.
00:03:32.000 Yesterday, Catherine Herridge over at CBS reported.
00:03:35.000 That according to the Durham report, John Durham is an attorney paid for by the federal government who is going through all of the sort of roots of the Russiagate investigation, trying to figure out where all this came from.
00:03:48.000 Was there malfeasance?
00:03:49.000 Who performed the malfeasance?
00:03:51.000 Well, according to that Durham report, new information emerging, the primary subsource for the Steele dossier was deemed a possible national security threat and the subject of a 2009 FBI counterintelligence probe.
00:04:02.000 Okay, so you have to remember the actual story here.
00:04:04.000 The actual story here is that the Steele dossier was used as the predicate.
00:04:07.000 It was used as the basis for the FISA warrants against Carter Page.
00:04:11.000 It was used as sort of the central piece of evidence in pursuit of members of the Trump campaign because there was this compendium of nonsense and maybe not nonsense that was being disseminated throughout the federal government.
00:04:22.000 It was compiled by a firm connected with Hillary Clinton.
00:04:25.000 It was then laundered basically to the FBI and the FBI picked it up and started their investigation and used this heavily in their investigation in the FISA warrants for Carter Page, but also in sort of other areas of the investigation. Well, now Catherine Herridge is reporting that by December 2016, everybody knew that the Steele dossier was not only crap, it was probably deliberate disinformation.
00:04:45.000 Because the person who is the chief source for the Steele dossier was deemed a possible national security threat and the subject of 2009 FBI counterintelligence probe.
00:04:54.000 According to new records, those facts were known to the Crossfire Hurricane team as of December 2016.
00:04:58.000 That did not stop the dissemination of the Steele dossier.
00:05:02.000 Remember that BuzzFeed reported on the Steele dossier in January of 2017, specifically because they said that the President of the United States had been presented information about the Steele dossier.
00:05:10.000 But we now know that the Intel community knew by December 2016 that the entire sort of primary basis for the Steele dossier was nonsense.
00:05:18.000 There's always been a suspicion that the way that BuzzFeed and the media were reporting on the Steele dossier, which had been floating around, right?
00:05:24.000 It went to John McCain, among other people.
00:05:26.000 It had been floating around out there in Washington, D.C.
00:05:28.000 That the basic hook upon which the media Decided to rely in order to report all of the garbage in the Steele dossier was this report that Trump had been informed about the Steele dossier.
00:05:38.000 Well now it's newsworthy and now we get to report it.
00:05:40.000 There's only one problem.
00:05:41.000 Why was the Intel community even bringing this thing up to Trump?
00:05:44.000 Why were they using it as the basis for the FISA warrant for Carter Page?
00:05:47.000 These documents are really, really damning.
00:05:50.000 Again, it shows.
00:05:51.000 That the primary subsource was possibly a Russian spy.
00:05:55.000 According to the document, there's an overview of the counterintelligence investigation of Christopher Steele's primary subsource.
00:06:01.000 Between May 2009 and March 2011, the FBI maintained an investigation into the individual who later would be identified as Christopher Steele's primary subsource.
00:06:11.000 The FBI commenced this investigation based on information by the FBI indicating that the primary subsource may be a threat to national security Specifically, the FBI received reporting indicating a research fellow for an influential foreign policy advisor in the Obama administration was at a work-related event in late 2008 with a co-worker when they were approached by another employee of the think tank.
00:06:31.000 The employee reportedly indicated that if the two individuals at the table did get a job in the government and had access to classified information and wanted to make a little extra money, the employee knew some people to whom they could speak.
00:06:43.000 The coworker did express suspicion of the employee and had questioned the possibility the employee might actually be a Russian spy.
00:06:48.000 In December 2016, the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation identified the employee as Christopher Steele's primary subsource.
00:06:55.000 So in other words, the intelligence community knew full well that this guy was full of crap, and then they proceeded to use this as the basis for launching the investigation into Carter Page, among others.
00:07:07.000 According to this documentation, In September 2006, the primary subsource was in contact with a known Russian intelligence officer.
00:07:15.000 In 2005, the subsource was making contact with a Washington, D.C.-based Russian officer.
00:07:21.000 One individual indicated the primary subsource was not anti-American, but wanted to return to Russia one day.
00:07:25.000 Another described the primary subsource as pro-Russia, indicated that he or she always interjected Russian opinions during foreign policy discussions.
00:07:33.000 So the timeline of December 2016 is when they knew that basically the SEAL dossier was nonsense, they promulgated it anyway, they announced it to Trump, and then all of a sudden it finds its way into the press.
00:07:44.000 All of which suggests that this was an attempt to subvert the incoming Trump administration at the very, very least.
00:07:49.000 And now there are text messages that have been emerging from the FBI detailing the quote-unquote internal furor over the handling of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, as according to The Federalist, Sean Davidson and Molly Hemingway reporting.
00:08:01.000 FBI agents tasked by fired former director James Comey to take down Donald Trump during and after the 2016 election were so concerned about the agency's potentially illegal behavior that they purchased liability insurance to protect themselves less than two weeks before Trump was inaugurated president.
00:08:17.000 Previously hidden FBI text messages show the explosive new communications and internal FBI notes were disclosed in federal court filings today from Sidney Powell, the attorney who heads Michael Flynn's legal defense team.
00:08:27.000 We all went and purchased professional liability insurance, one agent texted on January 10, 2017, the same day CNN leaked details that then-President-elect Trump had been briefed by Comey about the bogus Christopher Steele dossier.
00:08:38.000 That briefing of Trump was used as a pretext to legitimize the debunked dossier, which was funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign and compiled by a foreign intelligence officer who was working for a sanctioned Russian oligarch.
00:08:49.000 Holy crap, an agent responded.
00:08:50.000 All the analysts too?
00:08:51.000 Yep, the first agent said.
00:08:52.000 All the folks at the agency as well?
00:08:54.000 Can I ask who are the most likely litigators, an agent responded?
00:08:57.000 As far as potentially suing y'all?
00:08:59.000 Haha, who knows?
00:09:00.000 I think the concern, when we got it, was that there was a big leak at DOJ and the New York Times, among others, was going to do a piece.
00:09:06.000 While the names of the agents responsible for the texts are redacted, the legal filing from Powell, quoting communications from the DOJ, states, The latest document production included handwritten notes and texts from Peter Strzok, who led up all of these investigations, Andrew McCabe, Lisa Page, an FBI analyst who worked on the FBI's investigation of Flynn.
00:09:23.000 Agents also said they were worried about how a new attorney general might view the actions taken against Trump during the investigation.
00:09:29.000 The new AG might have some questions.
00:09:31.000 Then we all get screwed, one agent wrote.
00:09:33.000 FBI agents also discussed how the investigation's leadership was consumed with conspiracy theories rather than evidence.
00:09:38.000 I'm telling you, man, if this thing ever gets FOIA'd, there are gonna be some tough questions asked, one agent wrote, and a great deal of those will be related to Brian having a scope way outside the boundaries of logic.
00:09:47.000 Redacted, so they took out the name, is one of the worst offenders of the rabbit holes in conspiracy theories.
00:09:52.000 The guy traveled with that guy, who put down the third guy as his visa sponsor.
00:09:55.000 Third guy lives near a Navy base, therefore, Several texts show the order to close the criminal investigation against Michael Flynn came as early as November 8th, 2016, the same day as the 2016 presidential election.
00:10:06.000 It was later reopened in early January of 2017 on the thin read that it was a Logan Act violation for Mike Flynn to be talking with the Russians, when in fact it was not.
00:10:15.000 We have some loose ends to tie up.
00:10:16.000 We all need to meet to discuss what to do with each case.
00:10:18.000 One agent texted referring to the operation called Crossfire Razor, which was the FBI's codename for the investigation of Michael Flynn.
00:10:26.000 The new disclosures made by the DOJ also show the FBI used so-called national security letters to spy on Michael Flynn's finances.
00:10:33.000 Unlike traditional subpoenas, which do require judicial review and approval before authorities can seize an innocent person's property and information, NSLs are never independently reviewed by courts.
00:10:44.000 One of the agents noted in a text message that these particular form of surveillance were just being used as a pretext by the FBI leadership to buy time to find dirt on Flynn after the first investigation of him yielded no derogatory information.
00:10:58.000 The decision to finalize, the decision to NSL finances for Razor bought him time, one agent said two weeks after the initial order to shut down the anti-Flynn case.
00:11:08.000 What do we expect to get from an NSL?
00:11:09.000 An agent texted on December 5th, 2016.
00:11:11.000 We put out traces, tripwires to community, nothing.
00:11:14.000 Bingo, another agent responded.
00:11:15.000 So what's an NSL gonna do?
00:11:17.000 Haha, this is a nightmare, an agent said.
00:11:17.000 No content.
00:11:19.000 So a lot of the agents were deeply suspicious that all of this was basically bullcrap.
00:11:24.000 And as it turns out, it was in fact bullcrap.
00:11:28.000 These agents were deeply upset at the fact that the agency was now being used as a way to launch anti-Trump intel into the public or to target President Trump.
00:11:40.000 On January 15th, on January 5th, they could not believe that the Intel report was going to stay open.
00:11:47.000 Razor's gonna stay open, an agent wrote on January 5th.
00:11:50.000 Yep, another FBI agent responded.
00:11:51.000 Crimes report being drafted.
00:11:53.000 F, the first agent wrote back.
00:11:55.000 What's the word on how the Obama briefing went?
00:11:57.000 One agent asked, referring to a January 5th meeting between James Comey and Barack Obama.
00:12:00.000 Don't know, but people who are scrambling for information to support certain things, it's a madhouse, an FBI agent responded.
00:12:05.000 Jesus, an agent wrote back.
00:12:07.000 Trump was right.
00:12:08.000 Still not put together.
00:12:09.000 Why do we do this to ourselves?
00:12:10.000 What is wrong with these people?
00:12:12.000 So, all of this is obviously deeply disturbing and undermines fundamental institutions of the American Republic.
00:12:19.000 Kimberly Strassel has a good thread on this over at the Wall Street Journal.
00:12:22.000 She says, Breaking, per Catherine Herridge, an extraordinary.
00:12:25.000 So Christopher Steele's main source for the dossier, he was the subject of nearly two year long FBI counterintel investigation under suspicion of being a Russian spy and a threat to national security.
00:12:34.000 Early in the Obama administration, the subsource reportedly attempted to recruit two individuals connected to an influential foreign policy advisor to Obama, said if they got jobs in the administration and access to classified info, he could help them make a little money.
00:12:46.000 FBI says he had previous contact with the Russian embassy and Russian intelligence officers.
00:12:51.000 Thanks to Paul Sperry, we know the name of this subsource and that he, for a period at this time, was at Brookings, a Democratic think tank.
00:12:57.000 Here's the real kicker.
00:12:58.000 The FBI knew about this prior CIA investigation into the source in December of 2016.
00:13:02.000 It knew it was relying on information from a suspected Russian spy.
00:13:06.000 The same FBI said to be concerned about Russian interference in the election was using information from a suspected Russian spy to probe a presidential campaign.
00:13:13.000 The same FBI claiming Carter Page was a Russian agent was making that case based on info from a suspected Russian agent.
00:13:19.000 Most importantly, it never told the FISA court about this CIA investigation.
00:13:22.000 It withheld that information and continued re-upping its applications to surveil Carter Page on the campaign.
00:13:27.000 It vouched for information supplied by a suspected Russian agent.
00:13:30.000 The name of the subsource?
00:13:31.000 The realization of the FBI's prior suspicions should have ended the entire probe.
00:13:34.000 Instead, the FBI doubled down, hid things from the court, and kept going.
00:13:37.000 This again raises an urgent need to know who knew what and when.
00:13:41.000 And people wonder why John Durham is looking into all of this?
00:13:43.000 Also, extra credit question, wasn't it Mueller's job to find sources of Russian disinformation?
00:13:47.000 How do you miss the guy potentially feeding it directly to the FBI?
00:13:51.000 And the fact that this went as far as it did is an astonishing breach of the nation's ability to trust its intelligence community.
00:14:01.000 And I've been very skeptical of a lot of the criticisms made of the intelligence community.
00:14:05.000 I didn't like it when President Trump talked badly of the intelligence community.
00:14:08.000 I thought that he painted with too broad a brush at the very least.
00:14:11.000 But it is perfectly obvious there were actors inside the FBI who were engaged in bad activity in order to target President Trump and his campaign.
00:14:20.000 It is perfectly obvious at this point that that was what was going on.
00:14:22.000 I think we're going to find out some more damning info as the Durham investigation makes its way forward through the DOJ.
00:14:28.000 Okay, in just a second, we're going to get to the continuation of violence across the country, actually, over the death of Breonna Taylor and the exoneration of the officers in that case, except for one officer who was charged with wanton Discharge of a firearm?
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00:15:54.000 Alrighty, so.
00:15:57.000 The chaos continued across the country.
00:15:59.000 Every time there is a controversial race case in which the media completely ignore the underlying facts in order to achieve what they want to achieve, which is further racial conflagration, further racial tension, this stuff breaks out every single time.
00:16:11.000 And it's going to continue this way.
00:16:12.000 I do not think it's going to end if Joe Biden becomes president, because who exactly is going to be sanguine about the octogenarian, the octogenarian barely awake Longtime senator who did nothing, making sure that all racial tensions in the country are quelled.
00:16:27.000 Also, the Democratic Party and the media have set a goal that is unobtainable.
00:16:32.000 It is just not there.
00:16:33.000 It's not, you can't get to it.
00:16:35.000 That goal is the end of all racism whatsoever.
00:16:38.000 And not just the goal to end all racism, but the goal to end all situations in which racism could possibly be attributed to the situation, even if there's no racism evident from the situation.
00:16:49.000 There's still no evidence that, number one, Breonna Taylor was shot on purpose.
00:16:52.000 Number two, that Breonna Taylor was shot because she was black.
00:16:55.000 There's no evidence this had anything to do with racism.
00:16:57.000 It doesn't matter.
00:16:58.000 It's seen as an element of the racist justice system, the racist policing system.
00:17:02.000 The predictable result of all of this is the insanity that we have been seeing in our cities.
00:17:07.000 And again, I think that you are going to see such flight from urban centers.
00:17:11.000 I think it's going to be as bad as it was in the 1970s when the crime rates really, really began to spike.
00:17:16.000 And it's because of incidents like this.
00:17:18.000 We currently live in Los Angeles, not for long.
00:17:21.000 And one of the reasons that we do not want to live in Los Angeles is because of incidents like this.
00:17:25.000 So yesterday, down in Hollywood, last night, there were protests over Breonna Taylor.
00:17:29.000 About 350 people apparently showed up at these protests.
00:17:32.000 And cars were attempting to get through because these are public streets.
00:17:36.000 There are no permits taken out for these protests.
00:17:38.000 You know, you can see the spray paint on the sidewalks and in the middle of the street and all this.
00:17:42.000 You can see a huge crowd of people who are gathered in the middle of the street, again, protesting in the middle of a pandemic without any permit or anything else.
00:17:49.000 But, you know, this is all good because we need this moment of racial reckoning, as Joe Biden has suggested.
00:17:53.000 And what you'll see is a person in a white Prius simply trying to get through.
00:17:56.000 This is obviously not somebody who's attempting to harm members of the crowd.
00:17:59.000 This is a person who's probably trying to get home.
00:18:01.000 Hey, this is not somebody who's ramming their cars deliberately into protesters or anything like this.
00:18:05.000 You can see they're driving very, very slowly, just trying to get through.
00:18:07.000 They're driving maybe five miles an hour, really, really slowly.
00:18:11.000 And then once they get through, then they take off in the car, right?
00:18:14.000 Then they start hitting the gas.
00:18:15.000 They haven't hit anybody.
00:18:16.000 The crowd starts chasing them.
00:18:18.000 And then you will see a helicopter footage.
00:18:21.000 You'll see a truck filled with looters who cut the guy off.
00:18:27.000 They box him in.
00:18:28.000 A Mustang approaches from behind, and he tries to back up.
00:18:32.000 The Mustang blocks him, and they start beating the crap out of this person.
00:18:36.000 Somebody reaches through the driver's side window, apparently grabbing the steering wheel.
00:18:41.000 People start taking flagpoles and bicycles and smashing windows.
00:18:44.000 Somebody takes a skateboard and smashes the front windshield of the car.
00:18:48.000 And then the Prius takes off down the street.
00:18:50.000 Okay, so the Prius didn't injure anybody.
00:18:52.000 These people were trying to harm the driver inside.
00:18:54.000 They were trying to beat the crap out of the car for the great sin of the person trying to get home.
00:18:57.000 So what ends up happening?
00:18:59.000 The police pull the driver over and force the driver to get out of his car with his hands raised.
00:19:05.000 Like, this is why people are going to leave cities.
00:19:08.000 Because it turns out that when you refuse to allow the police to enforce the law... You know how you could have enforced the law here?
00:19:15.000 Large gatherings in the middle of a pandemic without a public permit should not be allowed.
00:19:19.000 How is it that you can lock, I'm not kidding you, tens of millions of people across the country in their homes during a lockdown, but the minute there's a protest in the street of 350 people in LA, you're not allowed to break up the protest, even as they take over public property and threaten people's lives and property.
00:19:35.000 How?
00:19:36.000 How?
00:19:36.000 And the answer is because you back the movement, because you're kind of okay with what's going on.
00:19:41.000 That is the only reason.
00:19:42.000 Because if you weren't okay with what was going on, you would stop it.
00:19:45.000 Meanwhile, Louisville turned into a hotbed last night again.
00:19:48.000 Andy Ngo was on the ground in Louisville and he got some tape of people performing active looting again in Louisville.
00:19:56.000 So that was just wonderful.
00:19:59.000 There was also my friend Ami Horowitz, friend of the show.
00:20:02.000 Ami Horowitz showed up in Louisville and he was shouted at and he was intimidated into putting down his camera.
00:20:08.000 These are all folks who care deeply about civil rights to the point where they tell you literally are not allowed to tape them in public place as they commit acts of violence.
00:20:16.000 The good news is that our Democratic leadership is really talking these things down.
00:20:19.000 I mean, they're really trying to calm the waters here.
00:20:21.000 So Kamala Harris, the vice presidential candidate who's gone about as missing as it is possible for a VP candidate to go, she, along with Biden, are just hiding in the bunker.
00:20:28.000 So Biden, I believe, called another lid today, I believe, which means that he has now been absent from the campaign trail like 10 of the last 13 days.
00:20:35.000 And the media are like, oh, he's probably prepping for debate.
00:20:38.000 It doesn't take 13 days to prep for a debate.
00:20:40.000 And he's not prepping for a debate.
00:20:41.000 He's just hiding in the basement, hoping that Donald Trump's innate unpopularity with the American people lets Joe Biden sort of coast into office without having to get off his gurney.
00:20:49.000 In any case, Kamala Harris tweeted out, No, you don't.
00:20:51.000 Americans don't need to be reminded that inequity runs deep in our country.
00:20:55.000 It's a painful reality every day.
00:20:56.000 We will only begin to fully heal when our nation addresses the systemic racism in our laws, policies and institutions.
00:21:02.000 Joe Biden and I have a plan to do just that.
00:21:04.000 No, you don't.
00:21:05.000 No, you don't.
00:21:06.000 And she tweet out, keep speaking Breonna Taylor's name.
00:21:09.000 Okay, again, Breonna Taylor was the victim of a tragedy.
00:21:12.000 Breonna Taylor was not the victim of a crime.
00:21:16.000 End of story.
00:21:17.000 When you say, keep saying Breonna Taylor's name, what exactly about saying Breonna Taylor's name is going to be effective in effectuating change that will be useful?
00:21:26.000 It's one thing if you're talking about revising some of the laws regarding no-knock warrants, although in this particular case, if they'd actually effectuated the no-knock warrant, Breonna Taylor might well be alive.
00:21:33.000 The problem was that they knocked, and then they announced themselves, and then that allowed her boyfriend, Walker, to get up out of bed, grab a gun, and then shoot at the door, which is what caused the entire crossfire situation to happen.
00:21:45.000 But beyond that, if you're talking about the horrors of the Breonna Taylor situation, the suggestion tacitly and implicitly there is that the police were in the wrong and that the police should have been prosecuted in the killing of Breonna Taylor.
00:21:57.000 Which again, there is no legal evidence to back this idea.
00:22:00.000 It does not mesh with reality.
00:22:02.000 It simply does not.
00:22:03.000 It has not for months.
00:22:04.000 Everybody who has studied this case and is honest about it knows that.
00:22:07.000 There are certain cases where charges are warranted.
00:22:09.000 Ahmaud Arbery.
00:22:10.000 There are cases where certain charges are not warranted.
00:22:12.000 Breonna Taylor is one of those cases.
00:22:14.000 Hey, but when she says that we have a plan to end systemic racism, no you don't.
00:22:17.000 The entire use of the term systemic racism means that there is no plan.
00:22:22.000 There is no way to end systemic racism except to tear down systems.
00:22:26.000 That's why the term systemic racism includes the word systemic.
00:22:31.000 If your plan to end systemic racism does not include tearing down systems, it in fact is about you being elected in order to run those systems, then you're not ending systemic racism, you are perpetuating systemic racism.
00:22:41.000 And herein lies the problem, as I've been pointing out for a long time here.
00:22:45.000 The chief proponents of so-called institutional or systemic racism suggest that the way you can tell systemic or institutional racism exists is by disparate impact, is by looking at the outcome of a particular law, and if it does not affect all communities equally, statistically speaking, it is a racist law and must be ended, or it's a racist system and must be torn down.
00:23:03.000 Well, once you say systemic racism, and then you say, I have a plan to end it, unless you are tearing down the system, you do not have a plan to end it.
00:23:10.000 You want to be part of the system.
00:23:12.000 You are part of the problem.
00:23:13.000 You're upholding the system.
00:23:14.000 You're serving the system.
00:23:15.000 This is why it is not a leap from Black Lives Matter movement.
00:23:20.000 Systemic racism arguments to defund the police.
00:23:23.000 Because reforming the police is not in the cards.
00:23:25.000 You're still reforming a system that is fundamentally based on slave catching, according to people like Ta-Nehisi Coates.
00:23:30.000 So it does not matter whether you want to correct small ills.
00:23:33.000 Small ills aren't the problem.
00:23:34.000 The entire system is to blame.
00:23:36.000 When Kamala Harris says systemic racism, what she means is, I'm speaking your language, but I'm not going to actually do what I say I'm going to do.
00:23:42.000 I'm just going to hold out there the prospect that you're going to be able to tear down the system if you elect people like me.
00:23:49.000 It's truly radical and it's truly ugly.
00:23:51.000 Then of course you have Kamala Harris saying violence isn't the answer.
00:23:53.000 She tweeted that out last night as well.
00:23:56.000 She said that violence is an issue.
00:23:59.000 This is what she tweeted.
00:24:01.000 She said, Joe Biden and I are keeping the police officers who were shot in Louisville in our hearts, wishing them a swift and speedy recovery.
00:24:06.000 Violence is not the answer.
00:24:07.000 We must find a way to express our grief, anger, and demands in ways that reflect the world we wish to see.
00:24:11.000 Okay, two thoughts that are not really Easily held at the same time.
00:24:16.000 Thought number one, the entire system is racist.
00:24:18.000 Thought number two, attempts to destroy the system through use of violence are bad.
00:24:23.000 Okay, especially when your alternative is what?
00:24:26.000 You're gonna vote for these longtime politicians, including this former prosecutor, Kamala Harris?
00:24:30.000 You can't have it both ways.
00:24:32.000 If the system is worthy of being torn down, it's worthy of being torn down.
00:24:34.000 And that means the people who serve the system are the bad guys.
00:24:37.000 You can't say all cops are good people, or most cops are good people, but really they are brown-shirted servants of a systemically racist system.
00:24:46.000 That argument does not wash.
00:24:48.000 And I think people inherently know that argument doesn't wash, which is why you are seeing all of this violence in the streets.
00:24:53.000 And meanwhile, as we will see, the Trump administration is taking a different tack.
00:24:57.000 We'll get to that in just one second.
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00:26:18.000 Alrighty, so the Trump administration is taking a bit of a different tack here, and that tack is that we are going to defend law enforcement.
00:26:25.000 So Vice President Mike Pence said this yesterday.
00:26:27.000 He said, our angle here is that law enforcement is good, which seems like it should be fairly inarguable since there is one tried and true solution to crime, and that is more police officers.
00:26:37.000 Here is Vice President Pence.
00:26:40.000 In the first three years of this administration, we've been supporting law enforcement at every level.
00:26:47.000 4,000 police officers funded through the COPS program.
00:26:51.000 We broke records working with state and local law enforcement for prosecutions in violent crime and firearm prosecutions.
00:27:00.000 Violent crime was steadily dropping to historic lows from a time in the previous eight years that saw violent crime on the rise.
00:27:11.000 Okay, he is right about all of this.
00:27:14.000 The Trump administration also sent forth Kayleigh McEnany to point out that the media have been fostering violence.
00:27:19.000 Now, this does not mean that if you say things that are bad ideologically, you are responsible for the violence.
00:27:24.000 It does mean that if we are going to have this argument, which we repeatedly have, about turning up the climate of hostility in the country and making excuses for people who do bad things, that is a fair conversation to have.
00:27:34.000 I've said this 1,000 times.
00:27:36.000 I don't blame Barack Obama for six police officers being shot in Dallas in 2016.
00:27:40.000 I don't blame Bernie Sanders for James Hodgkinson shooting a bunch of people at a congressional baseball game, right?
00:27:46.000 Bernie Sanders didn't call for that.
00:27:47.000 Barack Obama didn't call for that.
00:27:49.000 I do blame them for raising the temperature by suggesting that their political opponents are the root of all evil and need to be destroyed.
00:27:55.000 Kayleigh McEnany makes the same point about Breonna Keillor from CNN, who's been making excuses for the rioters and looters over on CNN, apparently.
00:28:03.000 Here's Kayleigh McEnany.
00:28:06.000 CNN's Breonna Keillor, who said, I question the judgment of the Kentucky Attorney General saying that mob justice is not justice.
00:28:14.000 We know that this is very loaded language.
00:28:16.000 That's an appalling statement from Breonna Keillor at CNN.
00:28:20.000 And what is outrageous about this take is that mob justice is not justice.
00:28:26.000 Hours later, after this comment was made on CNN, two police officers were shot.
00:28:32.000 This is not justice.
00:28:33.000 This has nothing to do with politics.
00:28:35.000 It has everything to do with the value of human life.
00:28:39.000 She is right about that, of course, but it doesn't matter.
00:28:42.000 People got very, very angry because they're saying that, well, if we keep turning up the rhetoric in the media, how are we to blame for all this?
00:28:47.000 These are the same people who have suggested that Trump's rhetoric is to blame for everything bad that has ever happened in the history of mankind.
00:28:52.000 Meanwhile, the rhetoric continues to rise over at our networks.
00:28:55.000 CNN's Bakari Sellers said yesterday, Black lives obviously don't matter in America.
00:29:00.000 Which is a weird take, considering that, again, 15 black Americans were shot unarmed by the police all of last year.
00:29:07.000 15.
00:29:07.000 There are 42 million black people who live in America.
00:29:10.000 Black Americans have been presidents of the United States.
00:29:12.000 They've been Attorney General of the United States.
00:29:14.000 A black American is running for Vice President of the United States.
00:29:16.000 We have black Supreme Court justices.
00:29:18.000 The leaders of our entertainment industry, many of them are black.
00:29:21.000 The leaders of our sports industry, nearly all of them are black.
00:29:24.000 At least in terms of the most public faces.
00:29:25.000 But apparently black lives don't matter in a country with the most prominent black people on planet Earth.
00:29:29.000 By far.
00:29:30.000 Here's Bakari Sellers.
00:29:33.000 I think it's pretty clear that black lives do not matter.
00:29:37.000 I think it's pretty clear that justice is fleeting, that if you are a person of color, particularly a black woman in this country, you know, the quest for justice and the road to get justice is longer and harder than most.
00:29:51.000 You know, being black is a perpetual state of grieving in this country.
00:29:55.000 And here we are again.
00:29:57.000 I've come on this show and poured my heart out.
00:29:59.000 I've, you know, cried.
00:30:00.000 I've laughed to prevent myself from crying.
00:30:03.000 It just hurts sometimes, and here we are again at another moment.
00:30:06.000 Being black in America is not a perpetual state of grieving.
00:30:09.000 Grieving in America means that you're grieving.
00:30:11.000 Race does not decide whether you grieve in a system that does not discriminate against you.
00:30:15.000 The Breonna Taylor case is not a case of discrimination.
00:30:19.000 There has yet to be an allegation that these officers are racist.
00:30:22.000 I mean, again, it is amazing how we immediately jumped to racism and no supporting evidence needs to be presented at any point along the way.
00:30:28.000 We still, by the way, don't have evidence that the George Floyd death was racist, let alone the Breonna Taylor death.
00:30:34.000 We have no evidence that virtually any of these cases have anything to do with race.
00:30:38.000 The only case I can think of in the past year that there was some evidence presented for the actual thesis that racism was involved is the Ahmaud Arbery case where the guy's getting tried for first degree murder.
00:30:48.000 So I'm wondering exactly why it is that we are supposed to believe that Bakari Sellers, who gets paid to be on CNN every day and spout this sort of nonsense, is in a perpetual state of grieving over his race.
00:30:58.000 That is not the country that people in America are now occupying.
00:31:01.000 We are not living in 1960.
00:31:02.000 We are not living in 1860.
00:31:03.000 We are living in 2020.
00:31:07.000 I mean, this is just... By the way, the attempt now to undermine the justice system completely is pace.
00:31:14.000 It's not just mob rule.
00:31:14.000 It's not just we demand indictments and charges brought against people without evidence.
00:31:19.000 It's also that we want to go after members of grand juries who don't do what we want.
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00:32:51.000 Okay, so it is not enough, apparently, to suggest without evidence that this entire Breonna Taylor situation is indicative of deeper American racism.
00:33:01.000 We now have calls to release grand jury decision-making.
00:33:04.000 Now, typically, to take, for example, federal grand juries, there's a reason that we do not release grand jury decision-making information.
00:33:10.000 The reason is, if a grand jury is deciding whether or not to indict somebody, what you don't want is they make a decision not to indict, and then all the information is spilled into the public eye, and the person is basically smeared With that information for the rest of their life.
00:33:25.000 This is typically why you don't release grand jury information.
00:33:28.000 In the same way that let's say that the police or prosecutors look into you and then they decide not to prosecute.
00:33:33.000 We don't just put those files online for anybody to see because you didn't commit a crime and frankly it's nobody's business.
00:33:38.000 You do have a right against not only unreasonable search and seizure but against being smeared by the public authorities.
00:33:45.000 If you are not going to be tried for a crime.
00:33:47.000 Well, in this particular case, these particular officers are not being tried.
00:33:50.000 And that means that grand jury proceedings, testimony therein, revealing who was on the grand jury, right?
00:33:55.000 All of this is a very, very bad idea.
00:33:58.000 Nonetheless, this is exactly what some people are calling for.
00:34:00.000 Benjamin Crump, the attorney for the Taylor family.
00:34:03.000 He's the attorney for all of these families.
00:34:05.000 And by the way, a person who lies a lot.
00:34:06.000 Okay, Benjamin Crump is a dishonest human being.
00:34:09.000 He lied about the facts of the case in the Michael Brown shooting.
00:34:11.000 He lied about the facts of the case with George Floyd.
00:34:13.000 He has lied about the facts of the case repeatedly in a variety of these cases.
00:34:17.000 Well, now Benjamin Crump is on TV suggesting that they should release all the transcripts of the grand jury investigation, saying, quote, if you did everything you could do on Breonna's behalf, you shouldn't have any problem whatsoever.
00:34:29.000 He said that the very fact that the officers were not charged with some degree of murder means there seem to be two justice systems in America, one for black America and one for white America.
00:34:40.000 This is such nonsense.
00:34:42.000 It's such nonsense.
00:34:43.000 And then he implied that the Attorney General of Kentucky, a black man, Daniel Cameron, decided that he was going to exonerate these officers against the evidence.
00:34:52.000 He said, did he present any evidence on Breonna Taylor's behalf?
00:34:55.000 Or did he make a unilateral decision to put his thumb on the scales of justice?
00:34:58.000 Wait a second.
00:34:59.000 Any evidence on Breonna Taylor?
00:35:00.000 She wasn't on trial.
00:35:01.000 He doesn't have to present evidence, quote, on behalf of the victim.
00:35:03.000 The question is whether the officers committed a crime.
00:35:05.000 That doesn't even make any legal sense.
00:35:09.000 Crump, of course, was tweeting out the say-her-name stuff and suggesting that Breonna Taylor's name was not mentioned in the indictment.
00:35:16.000 Right, because the crime was not the shooting of Breonna Taylor.
00:35:19.000 She was shot by accident.
00:35:20.000 That's a tragedy.
00:35:21.000 Again, it is not a crime.
00:35:23.000 And then, Crump said, So I have a question.
00:35:31.000 I have a question for Benjamin Crump.
00:35:33.000 Benjamin Crump also happens to be the attorney for the Jacob Blake family.
00:35:36.000 Jacob Blake was shot after the police were called to the site of a situation where a woman who had alleged rape, digital rape, against Jacob Blake called the cops because Blake showed up again.
00:35:47.000 A few months earlier, she had called the cops because Jacob Blake, according to her, had digitally penetrated her against her will with a child in the room.
00:35:55.000 Jacob Blake then showed up at her house.
00:35:57.000 The cops showed up.
00:35:57.000 He resisted arrest.
00:35:58.000 He resisted a tase.
00:35:59.000 He apparently got an officer in a headlock.
00:36:01.000 He then ignored the officer's orders to stop.
00:36:04.000 He walked around to the front side of the car.
00:36:05.000 They found a knife on the floorboards of the driver's side of the car.
00:36:08.000 Benjamin Crump suggested that Jacob Blake was there to break up a fight between two women.
00:36:12.000 There was no evidence of this at all.
00:36:14.000 None.
00:36:15.000 OK, was that respect for black women?
00:36:18.000 That's a serious question for Ben Crump.
00:36:19.000 Is that respect for black women?
00:36:21.000 Because it seems to me like if you wanted to respect a black woman, one thing you might do is believe her after she repeatedly asserts that a man digitally raped her instead of, you know, defending the guy who digitally raped her and suggesting wrongly that he was there as some sort of as some sort of good Samaritan breaking up a fight.
00:36:38.000 But the facts don't matter.
00:36:39.000 Again, as always, the facts don't matter.
00:36:41.000 This tears apart the country.
00:36:42.000 It destroys the country.
00:36:44.000 When you are so concerned with the narrative that America is evil that you decide to ignore the underlying facts, it tears apart the country.
00:36:49.000 And honestly, it's being done on purpose.
00:36:52.000 It's being done on purpose.
00:36:53.000 Now, meanwhile, speaking of tearing apart the country, we have seen an incredible news cycle in which the media are now alleging that Donald Trump is going to hole up in the White House like Al Pacino at the end of Scarface and snort coke in giant lines from a table and then fire a submachine gun and say, say hello to my little friend.
00:37:12.000 Come on in.
00:37:14.000 That's not how it's going to go.
00:37:15.000 You're all idiots.
00:37:16.000 Everybody knows this is idiotic.
00:37:18.000 This is again the media spinning their wheels in an attempt to justify any and all action against the Trump administration or any and all preparations up to and including maybe violent protests and looting since they've been so in favor of it in the past few months in the aftermath of the election.
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00:39:00.000 We're going to get back into this this latest furor over the supposed willingness of President Trump to engage in a coup.
00:39:08.000 OK, honest to God, the president does not have the capacity to plan beyond his next tweet, but he's apparently planning a deep and effective coup.
00:39:20.000 Mm hmm.
00:39:21.000 Yeah.
00:39:22.000 Say the people who have refused to accept the results of the 2016 election so much so that they literally militarized the FBI in order to go after the Trump administration and went after Michael Flynn and then for several years touted the idea that the Russians had stolen the election in cahoots with the Trump administration.
00:39:37.000 Yes, these are the people I trust when it comes to being very anti-coup.
00:39:41.000 Mm-hmm.
00:39:41.000 In just a second, we'll get to more of this.
00:39:43.000 First, You don't want to miss another great episode of the Sunday Special coming up this weekend.
00:39:46.000 Former Trump administration press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders comes on the show to discuss her time working for the president, her best and worst days as press secretary, which reporters are the worst off-camera.
00:39:55.000 I think you probably know the answers.
00:39:57.000 And the real question, do we need more teleprompter Trump?
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00:40:10.000 We were in Japan walking into a bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Abe and the president, who has every reason to be focused on the meeting in front of him and not concerned about, you know, my feelings or where I am, stops and says, hold on.
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00:41:41.000 Okay, so we are in the midst of a completely generated news cycle.
00:41:51.000 It's a news cycle spun up out of nothing.
00:41:53.000 Trump was having a very good week.
00:41:54.000 He had the Supreme Court nomination on his hands.
00:41:57.000 Politically speaking, he had the Democrats once again providing tacit support to rioters and looters, as per their usual arrangement.
00:42:04.000 This was a pretty solid political week for Trump, leading into the debates.
00:42:09.000 And then Trump stepped in and he was asked a specific question about whether, win, lose or draw, which is a weird way to word it, win, lose or draw, would he concede the results of the election and accede to a peaceful transfer of power if he lost, was basically the idea.
00:42:26.000 He misdirected.
00:42:27.000 He essentially said, I'll keep all my options open because there might be fraud.
00:42:30.000 And the media immediately took this to mean he's going to coup it.
00:42:32.000 He's going to he's going to hope he's going to put a big padlock like a bike lock on the front door of the White House.
00:42:37.000 And then he's going to stay inside.
00:42:38.000 He's going to pee in jars like Howard Hughes.
00:42:41.000 And that's going to be the new White House.
00:42:42.000 And we're going to have to bust down the door.
00:42:44.000 I mean, this is all their fever dream fantasies, right?
00:42:45.000 This is all the things they want to happen, because they've always wanted to see Trump frogmarched out of the White House.
00:42:50.000 So that's like their dream, is the Navy SEALs rappelling in through the top of the White House to capture President Trump, like White House down or something.
00:42:58.000 This is what they have been fevered, masturbatorily thinking about for years.
00:43:03.000 They hate Trump this much.
00:43:04.000 And Trump stepped in it because that's what Trump does.
00:43:06.000 If there's a pile of poop, the president has an uncanny ability to step in every pile of poop.
00:43:10.000 If you let him loose on a polo ground, he would find every horse dropping and put his foot directly in it.
00:43:17.000 This is just his special gift.
00:43:18.000 I know some people think that this is all planned.
00:43:20.000 It is not planned.
00:43:21.000 It is not planned.
00:43:21.000 Okay?
00:43:22.000 This is not me saying that the president is a complete dolt.
00:43:25.000 It is me saying he has an uncanny ability to jump on every rake with both feet.
00:43:29.000 So, he jumped on that rake, and the media immediately spun it up.
00:43:33.000 Now, what are they really doing?
00:43:34.000 Why are the media doing this?
00:43:35.000 Okay, for two reasons.
00:43:36.000 One, there's a report that came out several weeks ago now, in which the media reported that Democrats were preparing all sorts of post-election noise and chaos.
00:43:47.000 That all these liberal progressive groups had gotten together and they were planning not only protests in the streets, but they were trying to figure out, you know, how rabid would they have to get?
00:43:56.000 What sort of measures would they have to take in order to prevent Trump from stealing the White House?
00:43:59.000 See, the thing is that if you generate a narrative that Trump's going to steal the White House, you have to take preventative measures, of course.
00:44:05.000 We saw stories a month ago that John Podesta, part of the Biden campaign, war-gamed out what it would look like if Biden refused to concede in case of a close election.
00:44:14.000 And that included things like the state of California seceding from the union.
00:44:18.000 Not kidding.
00:44:19.000 So they've been trying this for a while.
00:44:20.000 They're trying to legitimize every plan they have for the dissolution of the union and or for the violation of law.
00:44:25.000 And all they need is the slightest indicator from Trump that maybe that's a real possibility.
00:44:29.000 So that is point number one.
00:44:31.000 Point number two is they're trying to drive Trump off of his generalized point, which is if there are questionable practices in the election, then he should immediately ignore the questionable practices in the election and just concede the election.
00:44:42.000 And that's going to be particularly true this year.
00:44:45.000 What they want is for Trump to concede as fast as humanly possible, or if Trump spots evidence that bad stuff is happening, for him to ignore that so we can all move on with our lives as the Democratic president.
00:44:54.000 That is the goal here.
00:44:56.000 Now, Trump, for his part, has suggested that there is the possibility of voter fraud in mail-in voting.
00:45:01.000 There is that possibility.
00:45:02.000 How broad that possibility is has yet to be discovered.
00:45:04.000 There is not a lot of data to suggest widespread voter fraud, meaning like tens of thousands of ballots, which it would take to swing some of these states, for example.
00:45:12.000 Or hundreds of thousands of ballots nationally.
00:45:15.000 The president has suggested repeatedly that there might be some sort of screwing around with the balloting process, which, again, is bad news.
00:45:23.000 Democrats have been doing this, too, by the way.
00:45:24.000 So this is not unique to one side of the aisle or the other.
00:45:27.000 All of this undermines faith in the elections.
00:45:29.000 But it's only bad when Trump does it, according to the left, because they expect that Biden is going to win.
00:45:32.000 Now, this is getting really complicated because the Democrats made a very large strategic error here, which was, in the middle of the pandemic, they said to all of their voters, we want you to vote early.
00:45:42.000 Right, we want you to get your mail-in ballot, we want you to vote early.
00:45:44.000 The problem is, mail-in balloting is actually a lot harder than going to the polling place.
00:45:47.000 You go to the polling place, out here in California anyway, as long as I have been voting, they have not digital voting, they have the actual paper ballots, and you punch out the chads, and they have kind of a system by which you can ensure that the chads have actually fallen out, so you don't end up with like the pregnant chad problem that you had in 2000.
00:46:07.000 In Florida, in Miami-Dade County, and Palm Beach County.
00:46:10.000 So, voting in person is actually a lot easier than voting by mail.
00:46:13.000 Voting by mail, you get the ballot, then you have to fill in one envelope, then you put it in a second envelope, in a third envelope, you have to, in some areas, take it to a specific mailbox.
00:46:20.000 It gets very complicated.
00:46:21.000 Democrats realized that they were shooting themselves in the foot by basically telling everybody not to go to the polling places, so now they've reversed themselves, and they're like, everybody should go vote in person.
00:46:30.000 But what they're afraid of is that on election day, it's going to look like Trump won, because everybody who votes in person is going to be a Republican, and everybody who votes by mail is going to be a Democrat.
00:46:37.000 Conversely, by the way, Donald Trump suddenly realized about two months ago that it was a mistake to tell elderly people in Florida, who are the most likely people not to go to the polls, to not vote by mail.
00:46:47.000 He was like, you know what?
00:46:48.000 Every place else, every place else, voting by mail is bad.
00:46:50.000 Florida, it's good, right?
00:46:51.000 I mean, it's very obvious and transparently political what is happening right now, but The media's narrative here is that no matter what happens, Trump should concede.
00:47:00.000 If Trump looks like he has won, he should concede.
00:47:02.000 If Trump looks like he has lost, he should concede.
00:47:05.000 The only situation in which Trump should not concede, presumably, is one in which it looks like he has won the popular vote, which is, of course, the most unlikely of all scenarios, considering he lost the popular vote by two and a half million last time.
00:47:15.000 So President Trump was asked about it again yesterday.
00:47:17.000 Are you going to concede if it's a close election?
00:47:20.000 Are you going to accept defeat?
00:47:21.000 Will there be a peaceful transfer of power?
00:47:22.000 Now, the normal answer to this question is, Of course, once all of the information is in and the election has been decided, there will be a peaceful transfer of power.
00:47:30.000 That's the obvious answer.
00:47:31.000 But President Trump goes another direction.
00:47:33.000 He points out correctly that Hillary Clinton has said that she would tell Biden never to concede.
00:47:41.000 We want to make sure the election is honest, and I'm not sure that it can be.
00:47:45.000 I don't know that it can be with this whole situation.
00:47:49.000 Unsolicited ballots.
00:47:50.000 There are unsolicited millions being sent to everybody, and we'll see.
00:47:54.000 But if you remember, Hillary Clinton just a week ago or so told Joe Biden, do not accept the results of the election under any circumstances.
00:48:04.000 But you don't ask her that question.
00:48:06.000 You only ask me the question.
00:48:08.000 Okay, he is right that they never asked Joe Biden the question as to whether he will concede the election and there will be a peaceful transfer of power.
00:48:14.000 Of course, Biden doesn't step on that rake particularly.
00:48:16.000 Like, he'll be a little bit more fluid with that.
00:48:18.000 But it's perfectly obvious there will be a peaceful transfer of power.
00:48:20.000 Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, was asked about this and he was like, of course there will be an orderly transition.
00:48:25.000 He tweeted out, Yes, duh.
00:48:25.000 The winner of the November 3rd election will be inaugurated on January 20th.
00:48:29.000 There will be an orderly transition just as there has been every four years since 1792.
00:48:32.000 Yes, duh. That of course is true. And the media of course ignored that.
00:48:37.000 This is not a partisan issue.
00:48:38.000 Chuck Schumer on the Senate floor, ranting against Republicans, the Republicans are preparing to militarize in defense of President Trump seizing power or something.
00:48:48.000 Here's Chuck Schumer being utterly and obviously and consistently dishonest as per our usual arrangement.
00:48:53.000 Where are our Republican colleagues?
00:48:57.000 This is not a partisan issue.
00:48:59.000 Democracy is at stake.
00:49:00.000 And every constituent from every corner of the land, regardless of party or ideology, should be asking their Republican senators to speak out and demand that Donald Trump .
00:49:16.000 Not be allowed to do what he says he's going to do and say they will join all of America in standing in the way if he tries.
00:49:26.000 No one believes he's even going to try this.
00:49:28.000 It is perfectly obvious he's not going to try this.
00:49:29.000 I mean, come on, come on.
00:49:32.000 Everybody knows that there will be a peaceful transition of power.
00:49:36.000 Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, she says, of course, Trump's going to accept the results.
00:49:39.000 If he loses, he's going to leave.
00:49:40.000 And if he wins, he's going to stay.
00:49:41.000 Like, this is so stupid.
00:49:42.000 Here's Kayleigh McEnany yesterday.
00:49:44.000 The President will accept the results of a free and fair election.
00:49:49.000 But I think that your question is more fitting to be asked of Democrats who have already been on the record saying they won't accept the results of an election.
00:49:57.000 In fact, I have several of them here for you.
00:49:59.000 South Carolina Democrat Jim Clyburn has said that Trump is not going to win fairly.
00:50:06.000 And then you have that beautiful quote from Hillary Clinton that Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstance.
00:50:12.000 So I think your fitting is more a fitting question for Democrats.
00:50:16.000 Of course, that is exactly right.
00:50:17.000 But the media have generated a narrative because, again, the goal here is that if there's any confusion in the election, Trump should concede preemptively.
00:50:23.000 And also that if there is chaos after the election, it's justified by Trumpian rhetoric, which has been their consistent position for quite a while.
00:50:30.000 Now, meanwhile, there was a story yesterday that the FBI is investigating at least nine discarded military mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania.
00:50:36.000 Apparently all nine were marked for Donald Trump.
00:50:40.000 The FBI announced on Thursday it was investigating issues with mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania's Luzerne County after covering at least nine votes that had been improperly discarded.
00:50:48.000 Since Monday, FBI personnel working together with the Pennsylvania State Police have conducted numerous interviews and recovered and reviewed certain physical evidence, said the DOJ.
00:50:55.000 At this point, we can confirm a small number of military ballots were discarded.
00:50:58.000 Investigators have recovered nine ballots at this time.
00:51:01.000 Some of these ballots can be attributed to specific voters.
00:51:03.000 Some cannot.
00:51:04.000 Pennsylvania has faced controversy over its mail-in voting process because of the issue of naked ballots, meaning ballots that are not inserted into a second secrecy envelope.
00:51:12.000 The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled Friday officials could reject ballots that do not arrive in the second envelope, which is aimed at preventing them from seeing how ballots are filled out.
00:51:19.000 State election officials previously issued guidance telling counties to count the ballots.
00:51:23.000 Now, the problem, of course, is that you want to make sure that people can't actually just look through the envelope, see who you voted for, and then just toss the ballot.
00:51:29.000 Pennsylvania is one of 16 states that provides such envelopes.
00:51:32.000 Philadelphia City Commission Chair Lisa Dealey warns in a letter Monday the issue could result in as many as 100,000 votes being lost.
00:51:38.000 The FBI did not say whether it was related to the ballots discarded in Luzerne County.
00:51:42.000 Trump won Pennsylvania by just 44,000 votes in 2016, and he won Luzerne County by 26,237 votes out of the more than 130,000 cast. Apparently, two of the discarded ballots had been resealed inside their appropriate envelopes by Luzerne election staff prior to recovery by the FBI.
00:52:01.000 The seven were for Trump.
00:52:03.000 So, again, couple points.
00:52:04.000 One, it's nine ballots, so that's not a ton of ballots.
00:52:07.000 Two, is there potential for a serious fraud here?
00:52:11.000 Yeah, there is.
00:52:12.000 So this is the real question, and this is the problem.
00:52:14.000 So Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI, says, listen, there's been no evidence of massive voter fraud thus far.
00:52:18.000 There has been no evidence of massive voter fraud thus far.
00:52:18.000 This is correct.
00:52:23.000 We take all election-related threats seriously, whether it's voter fraud, voter suppression, whether it's in person, whether it's by mail.
00:52:32.000 And our role is to investigate the threat actors.
00:52:35.000 Now, we have not seen, historically, any kind of coordinated national voter fraud effort in a major election, whether it's by mail or otherwise.
00:52:46.000 We have seen voter fraud at the local level from time to time.
00:52:52.000 Okay, so he's correct about this.
00:52:54.000 That doesn't mean there's not the potential for serious voter fraud.
00:52:57.000 Faith in elections is at an all-time low at a time when Americans are more divided than ever.
00:53:01.000 So all of that is, of course, bad news.
00:53:03.000 Okay, meanwhile, the president this weekend, probably tomorrow, is going to announce his Supreme Court pick.
00:53:09.000 There are two possibilities that are seen as sort of above and beyond everybody else.
00:53:11.000 One is Barbara Lagoa, who is an 11th Circuit Court of Appeals judge.
00:53:15.000 In Florida, she's of Cuban extraction, and her record, for what it is, is solid.
00:53:21.000 She has expressed tremendous support for originalism.
00:53:25.000 She would be a solid pick.
00:53:26.000 Amy Coney Barrett, of course, is the other on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:53:29.000 She's already been preemptively targeted by Democrats, who continue to maintain that Catholicism is some sort of barrier to serving in the government, which is hilarious.
00:53:37.000 I mean, really, really funny, considering that Pelosi herself is a Catholic, and Joe Biden is a Catholic.
00:53:41.000 So I have a question.
00:53:43.000 I guess the way they mean this is that if you are an actual Catholic, meaning you follow the doctrines, and you follow the latest papal encyclicals, and you follow all of the rules and procedures of Catholicism, and actually take the views of the Catholic Church seriously, then you can't be in the government.
00:53:58.000 So the only way you can be in the government and be a Catholic is if you are sort of a teatime Catholic, right?
00:54:02.000 You only go to church once every so often, you kind of mouth the platitudes, you say a few, you say a little mumbo-jumbo in Latin, and then you go vote for abortion on demand.
00:54:11.000 Then you can be in government.
00:54:12.000 So in other words, you can't really hold Catholic values.
00:54:15.000 Also, if you hold Catholic values, that inevitably is going to infuse your practice of the legal profession.
00:54:21.000 So you have no capacity to separate off from your own personal convictions on the death penalty, for example.
00:54:25.000 You instead are going to just vote against the application of the death penalty in every case because you're a Catholic.
00:54:31.000 You have no capacity to actually enforce the law.
00:54:33.000 Now, all of this is nonsense, but unfortunately, Democrats are promoting it.
00:54:37.000 Nancy Pelosi yesterday was asked about essentially a religious test for the court, and she refused to say whether religion should be a barrier to being on the court.
00:54:48.000 Article 6 which bans religious tests from being a qualification for office, do you think that that should apply to Supreme Court nominees as well?
00:54:57.000 I'm not going to get into anybody's interpretation of one thing or another.
00:55:01.000 The confirmation is the work of the Senate, and I trust the judgment of our Democrats.
00:55:09.000 Okay, so that's a no.
00:55:10.000 That's a no, she's not going to rule out a religious test for the Supreme Court of the United States.
00:55:15.000 For her part, Dianne Feinstein is acknowledging full out that she just does not have the power to block any of Trump's nominees.
00:55:20.000 According to USA Today, she said neither this committee nor the Senate should consider a nomination at this time.
00:55:25.000 I recognize I don't have the power to carry that through, but I feel it very deeply.
00:55:29.000 And because at least Dianne Feinstein has been in the Senate long enough to understand how the procedures work, this of course has led the Democrats, I'm not kidding you, to charge that she should be removed from the Senate Judiciary Committee because she is old and doddering.
00:55:40.000 Not a joke.
00:55:41.000 They're running Joe Biden, who is old and doddering and has declared a lid every day for the last seven years.
00:55:46.000 And Dianne Feinstein is now not sufficiently with it to lead up the Senate Judiciary Committee because she points out, quite obviously, that the Democrats just don't have the votes in the Senate.
00:55:56.000 Meanwhile, things are at a high pitch in this country, I think it is fair to say.
00:55:59.000 So President Trump and Melania Trump visited the RBG Memorial.
00:56:03.000 She was lying in state.
00:56:05.000 Apparently, it's OK to have giant crowds as long as they're paying tribute to RBG or protesting racial justice.
00:56:09.000 In any case, Trump and Melania went to visit the RBG Memorial over at the Supreme Court.
00:56:13.000 And promptly were greeted by what sounds like ghouls shrieking from hell.
00:56:17.000 That is all.
00:56:18.000 I mean, that's what it sounds like.
00:56:20.000 I can't confirm that that's actually what it was, but that is exactly what it sounds like.
00:56:22.000 like they were screaming at Trump for the great sin of paying some sort of homage to RBG.
00:56:27.000 Sounds like his soul's in the damned.
00:56:38.000 Shrieking up from hell at Trump.
00:56:40.000 My goodness.
00:56:41.000 That is solid stuff right there.
00:56:43.000 Making a difference, by the way.
00:56:44.000 Making a difference in the middle of a pandemic.
00:56:45.000 Shouting at Trump.
00:56:49.000 And then chanting, vote him out.
00:56:52.000 Okay, so good times right there.
00:56:55.000 How crazy have some people gone?
00:56:57.000 There was an editorial that was making its way around the internet yesterday from a person named Jamie Smith.
00:57:02.000 Here's the title of the editorial from Huffington Post.
00:57:04.000 The death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg pushed me to join the satanic temple.
00:57:11.000 Fair enough.
00:57:12.000 I'm a 40-something attorney and mother who lives in a quiet neighborhood with a yard and a garage full of scooters and soccer balls.
00:57:17.000 I'm not the type of person who would normally consider becoming a Satanist, but these are not normal times.
00:57:22.000 You might want to consider your life choices if your politics have now driven you to become a Satanist.
00:57:28.000 Like so many other women in the United States, says this idiot columnist for the Huffington Post, when I learned of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's passing, my first reaction was not grief, but fear.
00:57:36.000 I fear that Americans are inching closer to living in a theocracy or dictatorship, and the checks meant to prevent this from happening are close to eroding beyond repair.
00:57:43.000 Again, even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, abortion is not going to be outlawed in California.
00:57:50.000 That is not the way any of this works.
00:57:52.000 But, doesn't matter.
00:57:54.000 We gotta pretend that we are on the verge of theocracy.
00:57:57.000 We're on the verge of the Handmaid's Tale.
00:57:59.000 Members of the Satanic Temple do not believe in the supernatural or superstition, which is weird because they call themselves members of the Satanic Temple, in the same way that some Unitarians and some Jews do not believe in God.
00:58:09.000 Satanic Temple members do not worship Satan, and most are atheists.
00:58:12.000 They are not affiliated in any way with the Church of Satan.
00:58:15.000 Instead, the Satanic Temple uses the devil as a symbol of rebellion.
00:58:19.000 Again, if you are using, you know, the symbol of Pure evil.
00:58:24.000 In order to show that you are rebelling against the system, I don't think that you are a good person.
00:58:31.000 According to this columnist, when Justice Ginsburg died, I knew immediately action was needed on a scale we've not seen before.
00:58:36.000 Our democracy has become so fragile, the loss of one of the last guardians of common sense and decency in government, less than two months before our pivotal election, has put our civil and reproductive rights in danger like never before.
00:58:45.000 And so I have turned to Satanism!
00:58:49.000 Yeah, that seems like the rational decision.
00:58:51.000 You didn't go out and buy a protest sign or register somebody to vote.
00:58:55.000 You went and you joined Satan.
00:58:56.000 Why the hell not?
00:58:57.000 I mean, just live your creed, man.
00:58:59.000 I mean, if you're for abortion on demand, I kind of see it.
00:59:01.000 Like other faiths, the Satanic Temple has a code their members believe in deeply and use to guide their lives.
00:59:07.000 These seven fundamental tenets include that one should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
00:59:13.000 And that the struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
00:59:18.000 And that one's body is inviolable subject to one's will alone.
00:59:21.000 Unless you're sticking a scalpel into, like, the head of an unborn fetus.
00:59:24.000 That kid's body doesn't matter at all.
00:59:27.000 Also, I do love, the struggle for justice is an ongoing necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
00:59:32.000 As the laws and institutions are not, in many cases, founded on justice.
00:59:36.000 They're not always founded on justice, but in many cases they are.
00:59:40.000 So this lady became a satanist.
00:59:43.000 That seems like a good solution.
00:59:44.000 RBG dies, so you go to a satanic temple.
00:59:48.000 I have joined a community who will stop at nothing to safeguard my family's rights and all of our rights when they are at their most vulnerable.
00:59:54.000 Jamie Smith is an attorney and mother who cares about civil rights and also worships Satan.
00:59:59.000 But not really, because they're just facetious about it, you see.
01:00:03.000 Yes, we may have all lost our minds.
01:00:05.000 Okay, meanwhile, COVID-19 updates.
01:00:08.000 So we are seeing a surge in some states in COVID-19.
01:00:12.000 We're seeing a sort of second wave happening in more rural areas of Arizona.
01:00:16.000 There's some 22 states that have seen an uptick in coronavirus in the recent past.
01:00:21.000 None of them are on the verge of being overwhelmed.
01:00:24.000 The hospital system is not being overwhelmed in any of these states.
01:00:26.000 We've seen a flattening out in many of the biggest states, Florida, Georgia.
01:00:31.000 These are states where you've seen a flattening out in the number of active cases.
01:00:34.000 And in fact, you're on the other side of active cases in Florida.
01:00:36.000 The bell curve is already coming down the other side.
01:00:39.000 The daily deaths tend to lag a fair bit.
01:00:43.000 With that said, I've got bad news and I've got good news.
01:00:46.000 So the bad news is that according to Jackie Salo reporting from the New York Post, a new COVID-19 mutation appears to be even more contagious.
01:00:53.000 According to a study, experts say it could be a response by the virus to defeat masks and other social distancing efforts.
01:00:58.000 Scientists in a paper published Wednesday identified a new strain of the virus, which accounted for 99.9% of cases during the second wave in the Houston, Texas area.
01:01:06.000 The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, said people with this strain, known as the D614G mutation, had higher loads of virus, suggesting it is more contagious.
01:01:15.000 Though the strain isn't more deadly, researchers said it appeared to have adapted better to spread among humans.
01:01:20.000 He said it's possible, David Morin's virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said it's possible that the virus had now evolved to resist efforts like hand washing and social distancing.
01:01:31.000 Morin said wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility or contagion.
01:01:35.000 But as the virus becomes more contagious, it statistically is better at getting around those barriers.
01:01:40.000 In other bad news, by the way, the vaccination effort will not be complete until July, according to the CDC director.
01:01:46.000 Robert Redfield told the Senate Health and Education Committee in a Wednesday hearing that it would take us until April, May, June, maybe July to get the entire American public completely vaccinated.
01:01:55.000 So that means middle of next year at best.
01:01:58.000 As we say, we've seen spikes around the country.
01:02:01.000 Now, we are not seeing the deaths follow yet.
01:02:03.000 The death rates in Europe remain actually extremely low despite massive increases in the number of cases.
01:02:10.000 And it's important to note here that the massive increases in numbers of cases are not happening under Trump's watch.
01:02:15.000 This is not Ron DeSantis.
01:02:16.000 This is happening in France.
01:02:17.000 It is happening in Israel.
01:02:18.000 It is happening in Great Britain.
01:02:20.000 We're seeing massive spikes around Europe right now.
01:02:23.000 In fact, in Israel, they've basically declared martial law.
01:02:26.000 I mean, because Yom Kippur is coming up, which is a time when people go to synagogue and they tend to pray, they have like a big controversy over in Israel because the left wants people to be allowed to protest in certain numbers, and the right wants people to be able to pray in certain numbers, and the government is trying to shut down everything.
01:02:41.000 Daily cases in Israel have spiked to nearly 7,000 apparently.
01:02:45.000 Meanwhile, record infections in France and restrictions have sparked an outcry there too.
01:02:49.000 So people are protesting restrictions there as well.
01:02:52.000 Figures from the Public Health France show that 16,096 people had tested positive for COVID over the last 24 hours, which is a record.
01:02:58.000 Even though experts advised that testing during the first coronavirus wave in March and April captured only a fraction of the cases.
01:03:04.000 The centrist government of President Emmanuel Macron announced a series of new measures on Wednesday to try to slow the spread of the disease, including the closure of all bars and restaurants in Marseille and earlier closing times in Paris and elsewhere.
01:03:15.000 Prime Minister Jean Castex called for responsibility and implied his opponents were playing politics.
01:03:20.000 He said, what I don't want is that we go back to March, which is referring to the strict national lockdown that was used by the French government.
01:03:27.000 Marseille has now been put on maximum alert.
01:03:29.000 Paris and 10 other cities have been put on elevated alert as well.
01:03:34.000 The question is, how long the hospitalizations are going to lag, according to the New York Times.
01:03:39.000 The cases that are upticking in Spain and France and the UK means that more people are now being restricted to their homes.
01:03:47.000 Boris Johnson and other European leaders, according to the New York Times, are dealing with a confusing, fast-changing situation with conflicting evidence on how quickly new cases are translating into hospital admissions and how severe those cases will end up being.
01:03:58.000 In Spain, where new cases have surged to more than 10,000 a day, hospitals in Madrid are close to capacity.
01:04:03.000 The government said it is preparing to open field hospitals and hotels and in the city's largest exhibition center.
01:04:07.000 But in France, which reported 66,000 new cases over the last seven days, hospital admissions and deaths, they're rising, but they're going up much more slowly.
01:04:15.000 There's also a divergence between infection rates and hospitalizations in Germany and Austria.
01:04:19.000 In Britain, which reported over 6,000 new COVID cases on Wednesday, just 134 patients were admitted to hospitals.
01:04:25.000 That's barely a 10th of those admitted in early May.
01:04:28.000 Some experts argue this shows the virus has lost potency or that it is now infecting mostly younger people.
01:04:33.000 Others say it's a testament to social distancing and face masks.
01:04:35.000 See the problem is that the social distancing face mask thesis is really kind of unprovable.
01:04:43.000 Because in certain places like northern Europe, they're doing social distancing but not face masks and they have not seen this massive uptick in death.
01:04:51.000 By the way, Sweden has seen no uptick in caseload or death because they already got hit.
01:04:55.000 Norway is seeing a pretty significant uptick in caseload but not death.
01:05:00.000 Indiana, for what it's worth, is now moving toward total reopening.
01:05:04.000 According to the Indianapolis Star, nearly three months after suspending Indiana's reopening plan, Governor Eric Holcomb on Wednesday announced the state will move to the final phase, stage five, as the statewide mask order remains in place indefinitely.
01:05:15.000 That means restaurants, bars, fitness centers, and stores will now be able to operate at full capacity, but people will be expected to maintain social distance in these places and keep their masks on, except while eating and drinking.
01:05:25.000 Holcomb led with the reopening, which is good news to some, then followed up with the continuation of the mask order.
01:05:29.000 He acknowledged that his preference would be not to wear face coverings, but doing so is essential to allowing the state to move toward reopening.
01:05:35.000 And this seems correct.
01:05:37.000 The only people who really should not be masking at this point are small children, who apparently are not spreading this thing in major numbers.
01:05:42.000 K-12 schools across the world have been avoiding COVID surges thus far.
01:05:47.000 According to Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, he said, everyone had a fear there would be explosive outbreaks of transmission in schools and colleges there have been.
01:05:57.000 We have to say that to date, we have not seen this in younger kids.
01:06:00.000 That really is an important observation.
01:06:01.000 By the way, there's a good case to be made that at colleges, you should basically just shut the colleges to the outside and let the kids basically go about their daily lives.
01:06:09.000 And if infection spread at colleges, the number of 20-year-olds who are going to die from COVID is very low, and then they can't be pathways for transmission.
01:06:17.000 Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi has abruptly shifted her course and started pushing relief after shutting it down for several months on end.
01:06:23.000 Quick note on this.
01:06:24.000 So Anthony Fauci, there's a wildly publicized exchange between Anthony Fauci and Senator Rand Paul a little bit earlier this week.
01:06:31.000 And I didn't have a chance to comment on it on the podcast, and so I would like to now.
01:06:34.000 Here was Dr. Fauci versus Rand Paul.
01:06:36.000 It turns out that Fauci is just not right on some of this stuff.
01:06:40.000 They've developed enough community immunity that they're no longer having the pandemic because they have enough immunity in New York City to actually stop.
01:06:48.000 I challenge that, Senator.
01:06:50.000 I'm afraid.
01:06:52.000 Please, sir, I would like to be able to do this because this happens with Senator Rand all the time.
01:06:56.000 You were not listening to what the director of the CDC said, that in New York, it's about 22%.
01:07:02.000 If you believe 22% is herd immunity, I believe you're alone in that.
01:07:10.000 Okay, well, nobody has suggested that herd immunity kicks in at 20%.
01:07:13.000 What people have suggested, correctly, is that there is something called T-cell immunity and resistance.
01:07:18.000 And that means that people who have pre-existing sort of immune response to COVID, because they had a cold a couple of years ago, they have a bit of a coronavirus response mechanism already in place, that they are not getting as serious forms of the disease.
01:07:30.000 Anywhere from 20 to 50% of the population may already have that.
01:07:33.000 You can't just add 20% fully immune to 20 to 50% partially immune.
01:07:38.000 What you can suggest is that the vast majority of the population is not extraordinarily susceptible to COVID.
01:07:45.000 But this has been true for a long time.
01:07:46.000 The vast majority of the population is not extraordinarily susceptible to COVID.
01:07:49.000 And by extraordinarily susceptible, I don't mean that this thing is on the par with the flu.
01:07:54.000 It isn't.
01:07:54.000 It's much more deadly than the flu.
01:07:55.000 What I mean is that the actual numbers of people who die after obtaining COVID is not 50%, it is not 10%, it is not 5%.
01:08:02.000 The actual number of people who die after obtaining COVID is something, on average, like maybe 5 in 1,000.
01:08:09.000 Not 5 in 100.
01:08:09.000 5 in 1,000.
01:08:10.000 Which is bad.
01:08:11.000 That's not great.
01:08:12.000 I mean, that's the average rate of death after you obtain COVID, right?
01:08:15.000 For the flu, it's 1 in 1,000.
01:08:17.000 But here is a Dr. Scott Atlas kind of debunking what Fauci says right there.
01:08:22.000 The reality is that according to the papers from Sweden, Singapore, and elsewhere, there is cross-immunity, highly likely, from other infections, and there is also T-cell immunity.
01:08:33.000 And the combination of those makes the antibodies a small fraction of the people that have immunity.
01:08:38.000 So the answer is no, it is not 90% of people that are susceptible to the infection.
01:08:43.000 I guess my question is, I'm not a doctor, I defer to your expertise on this, not to his, but so Americans hear one thing from the CDC director and another thing from you, who are we to believe?
01:08:52.000 You're supposed to believe the science and I'm telling you the science.
01:08:56.000 Hey, Alice happens to be correct about this.
01:08:58.000 Fauci said there's no study.
01:08:59.000 He actually said there's like one study that says that T-cell immunity isn't a thing.
01:09:02.000 There are probably 25 studies that say T-cell immunity is a thing.
01:09:05.000 Okay, so what is the good news?
01:09:06.000 What is the bad news?
01:09:08.000 The only good news here, really, is that people are recognizing, sooner rather than later, that we're going to have to learn to live with the virus.
01:09:14.000 And what that means... Europe has said this.
01:09:16.000 Many Republican governors have been saying this.
01:09:17.000 I've been saying this for a long time.
01:09:18.000 That means if you are younger and healthier, you should be going back to work.
01:09:21.000 It means that you should be wearing a mask and you should socially distance when possible.
01:09:25.000 That's all.
01:09:26.000 And if you are uniquely vulnerable, if you are elderly, then you should stay out of the way.
01:09:31.000 And if you know one of those people, you should stay out of their way.
01:09:33.000 That's it.
01:09:34.000 That's all we know.
01:09:35.000 All right, so this weekend, President Trump will make his SCOTUS pick.
01:09:38.000 I'm not gonna be here Monday, so I won't be here to comment on it because it's Yom Kippur, so I'll be doing some repenting.
01:09:42.000 I feel like I have some things to repent for this year, so I will be doing that on Monday, but we will be back here on Tuesday.
01:09:47.000 The debate happens Tuesday.
01:09:48.000 A lot coming up.
01:09:49.000 Try not to burn things down while I'm gone.
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