The Ben Shapiro Show - The Prosecution Against Derek Chauvin Is Collapsing | Ep. 1231

00:00:00.000 The state's case against former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd is falling apart, but the media continue to promote the lie that it's a slam dunk and riots may follow.

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00:01:39.000 The Derek Chauvin trial continues in Minneapolis.

00:01:41.000 And if you watch the media, the takeaway that you're going to get from the media is that this trial is over, that the trial shouldn't even be taking place.

00:01:50.000 And in fact, if you watch members of sort of the Glitterati talk about the Chauvin trial, they're saying things like, why is there even a trial?

00:01:55.000 There's a tape.

00:01:56.000 We've all seen the tape.

00:01:57.000 And if you look at the headlines from the media, the headlines from the media only feature the stuff the prosecution is saying.

00:02:02.000 It's kind of amazing, actually.

00:02:03.000 The media are not featuring any of the headlines that are being made on Cross.

00:02:08.000 Which is the stuff that's actually in the news.

00:02:09.000 Instead, they're only focusing in on what the prosecution is claiming so that you would think that the outcome in this case is a foregone conclusion.

00:02:17.000 And the reason they are doing that is because if you think that this case is a foregone conclusion, that means there's only one reason and one reason alone that Derek Chauvin might be acquitted in this particular case.

00:02:25.000 And that, of course, is the media's favorite narrative.

00:02:27.000 Systemic American racism.

00:02:29.000 If Chauvin is acquitted, say the media, the only reason that could happen is systemic American racism because this case is absolutely clear-cut.

00:02:36.000 There are no questions to be asked about it.

00:02:38.000 There is no reason that you would be worried about it.

00:02:40.000 For example, here's a Washington Post headline from yesterday, quote, trial to resume after training officer says an unauthorized neck restraint was used on George Floyd. So sounds like an unauthorized neck restraint was used on George Floyd.

00:02:52.000 According to uncontroverted testimony from the prosecution witness, this means it was an unauthorized neck restraint, which means that this looks a lot like felony assault.

00:02:59.000 Except, what we will explore in just a second, is that on cross, most of the main witnesses for the state have been falling apart.

00:03:06.000 Remember, the standard here is reasonable doubt.

00:03:08.000 Now, I'm not making the case that Chauvin is innocent.

00:03:12.000 I don't know.

00:03:13.000 Neither do you.

00:03:14.000 And this is the point.

00:03:15.000 The standard in American criminal law is reasonable doubt.

00:03:19.000 And let's just put it out there right now.

00:03:21.000 If you look at this case and you don't see reasonable doubt, I'm not sure what case you are watching.

00:03:25.000 It seems to me that you want to come to a conclusion That was already preset in your mind.

00:03:29.000 If you're watching how this case is going for the prosecution and your immediate takeaway is it's still as clear-cut as I thought it was before the trial.

00:03:36.000 If anything, this case has made the case for Chauvin significantly stronger and the defense hasn't even begun its own formal defense as of yet.

00:03:43.000 How bad is this case going for the prosecution?

00:03:45.000 The prosecution called a witness the other day.

00:03:48.000 They called a witness who is a use-of-force expert.

00:03:53.000 And the use of force expert was so bad that the prosecutors were getting visibly angry at their own witness.

00:03:58.000 A medical support expert for the Minneapolis Police Department was called by the prosecution.

00:04:02.000 She was so bad that the defense is going to call her, the prosecution witness.

00:04:08.000 The defense is going to turn around and call the prosecution witness because the prosecution witness was so bad for the prosecution in this case.

00:04:14.000 Does this mean prosecutors are incompetent?

00:04:16.000 No, it means this case is actually extremely difficult.

00:04:18.000 On the fact pattern, because there are several things that were never proved by the media before we had 20 million people out in the streets suggesting, number one, that this was a case of uncontroverted police evil and brutality, and two, that it was a case of police racism.

00:04:30.000 The second claim, nobody ever bothered to substantiate at all.

00:04:33.000 That's truly an amazing thing.

00:04:35.000 The entire BLM movement was rooted in the lie that America's police officers are systemically racist, that they are out to get black people, and George Floyd was used as exhibit A. They have still yet to demonstrate an iota of evidence that Derek Chauvin's behavior was driven by animus for black people, like they've not demonstrated any of it.

00:04:51.000 Now, what's amazing about that is that you can absolutely find cases in America in which there's an uncontroverted fact pattern of racism.

00:04:59.000 So for example, if you look at the Ahmaud Arbery case down in Georgia, this is the case where there's a black guy and he was trespassing in a house, and then somebody saw him trespassing in the house, it was an empty house, so he was trespassing in like an empty construction site, and then he started running away.

00:05:14.000 The original story, he was just jogging through the neighborhood, that wasn't true, but what happened is some people started chasing him in their trucks, they stopped the trucks, and according to some of the witness testimony, After he confronted them and they were holding guns trying to stop him and hold him for the cops, which they weren't supposed to be doing.

00:05:29.000 After he did that, they shot him, okay?

00:05:31.000 And apparently the N-word was used.

00:05:32.000 That seems like at least an allegation of racism that could hold up in court.

00:05:36.000 You know what has never been alleged about the Chauvin case?

00:05:39.000 Any element of racism.

00:05:40.000 They've never found it.

00:05:42.000 You think they wouldn't have dug?

00:05:43.000 You think they wouldn't have gone into Derek Chauvin's social media posts and tried to find something?

00:05:46.000 Okay, so that claim was never substantiated in any way.

00:05:48.000 But here's the thing.

00:05:50.000 Even if that claim had been substantiated in some way, it would not answer the question as to whether Chauvin actually murdered George Floyd.

00:05:57.000 So to reset here, here is what George Floyd has been charged with.

00:06:00.000 He has been charged with second-degree murder, or Derek Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder, third-degree murder, third-degree manslaughter.

00:06:07.000 Those are the three crimes with which Chauvin has been charged.

00:06:11.000 In order for the prosecution in this particular case to elicit a guilty verdict, they first have to show causation.

00:06:19.000 That it was Chauvin's actions that led to the death of George Floyd.

00:06:22.000 And that's actually a pretty high bar as we're going to explore in just one moment.

00:06:26.000 The autopsy report, for example, showed that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system.

00:06:30.000 In fact, he had three times what is normally considered the fatal dose of fentanyl in his system.

00:06:36.000 Now some people are arguing that he'd built up a resistance to fentanyl over the years.

00:06:39.000 Three times the amount that normally kills somebody is still a lot of fentanyl.

00:06:42.000 It's enough fentanyl to kill a horse.

00:06:44.000 That was in his system.

00:06:46.000 The original medical autopsy, the only actual medical autopsy done of Floyd's body, found that Chauvin's neck hold did not, in fact, cause any damage to Floyd's trachea.

00:06:55.000 So the notion that he choked him to death, that he couldn't breathe because his airway was being compressed, that was not true.

00:07:01.000 So maybe Chauvin's neck restraint contributed to Floyd's death by ratcheting up his blood pressure, but here's the thing.

00:07:07.000 Would that have happened if Floyd did not already have a 75% arterial blockage?

00:07:11.000 Very doubtful.

00:07:13.000 Did drug use have something to do with Floyd's death?

00:07:17.000 Seems like that is, as we will see, a fairly well-evidenced case, is that his drug use had something to do with his death.

00:07:23.000 Okay, then you get to the actual charges and the elements of the actual charges in the George Floyd-Derek Chauvin case.

00:07:30.000 are very difficult to prove.

00:07:32.000 First of all, they're second-degree murder.

00:07:34.000 Okay, second-degree murder requires that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin unintentionally killed Floyd while committing a felony, in this case, felony assault.

00:07:42.000 In other words, he was committing a felony on Floyd simply, like, if nothing else had happened in this case, if Floyd didn't die, that would have been felony assault, what Chauvin was doing to Floyd.

00:07:50.000 That's gonna be very, very difficult to prove because that requires intentional infliction of bodily harm.

00:07:56.000 And as the defense has been suggesting throughout, the kind of use of force that Chauvin was using was actually a lesser use of force than the Minneapolis Police Department allows.

00:08:05.000 They would have to show that Chauvin wanted to hurt Floyd, not just use a suppression tactic that had been greenlit by the Minneapolis Police Department.

00:08:12.000 Third-degree murder doesn't even apply.

00:08:13.000 Third-degree murder is what's called depraved heart murder.

00:08:16.000 As I've suggested many times, depraved heart murder is a crime where you shoot a gun into a crowd.

00:08:21.000 And we can't convict you of specific intent to kill Bob, but Bob was one of the members of the crowd, so we convict you instead of depraved heart murder because you didn't care who died, you just knew somebody was likely to die when you shot a gun into the crowd.

00:08:30.000 That doesn't apply here.

00:08:31.000 Because Chauvin didn't neck suppress a hundred people and one of them died.

00:08:35.000 That's not the way this worked.

00:08:36.000 Okay, then there's second-degree manslaughter.

00:08:38.000 Not third-degree, second-degree manslaughter.

00:08:39.000 That requires the prosecution prove that Chauvin acted with gross negligence.

00:08:43.000 But gross negligence would have to show that Chauvin should have known his behavior might actually cause Floyd's death.

00:08:49.000 Okay, but how many times has this suppression tactic been used on various suspects?

00:08:53.000 How many of them actually die?

00:08:54.000 In the absence of excited delirium?

00:08:56.000 Or in the absence of serious drug use?

00:08:58.000 Or serious heart problem?

00:09:00.000 So in any case, this is not an easy case and we're going to get into all of the testimony that's been had over the past couple of days because it's horrible for the prosecution case.

00:09:08.000 But the broader point here is that the media are ignoring so much of this.

00:09:11.000 The media do not want to report any of this stuff.

00:09:16.000 What the media would like to report, you'll see some of it covered on Headline News to be fair, what the mainstream media are reporting, the establishment media, the Washington Post, what they are reporting is that not only is Chauvin guilty, no question he's guilty, police departments all over America are guilty.

00:09:31.000 We'll get to that lie in just one second.

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00:10:56.000 OK, so as I say, the media agenda here is to suggest that this case is a foregone conclusion, that there are no serious doubts that any rational jury could have.

00:11:03.000 The Washington Post is pushing this idea.

00:11:05.000 Their editorial board today.

00:11:07.000 They say.

00:11:08.000 One of the things that this case is not about is all policing or all policing.

00:11:12.000 This is what the prosecution told the jury in opening arguments in the trial of former Minneapolis police officer charged with the murder of George Floyd.

00:11:19.000 Driving home that point, prosecutors have called to the witness stand a number of police officers to testify against Derek Chauvin, all of whom condemned how he knelt on Floyd's neck for more than nine minutes.

00:11:27.000 The spectacle of so many officers testifying against one of their own was unusual, and a welcome break from the so-called blue wall of silence that has long enabled police misconduct.

00:11:35.000 However, the singling out of Mr. Chauvin doesn't give a pass to Minneapolis or other cities for the systemic issues that have fueled brutality against people of color.

00:11:44.000 Most police officers serve bravely and with integrity, says the Washington Post.

00:11:47.000 If Mr. Chauvin, as the prosecution has essentially argued, is that rare bad apple, Who violated his badge, why wasn't something done sooner?

00:11:54.000 During his nearly two decades with the department, Mr. Chauvin shot one suspect, was involved in the fatal shooting of another, and received at least 17 complaints.

00:12:00.000 Okay, number one.

00:12:01.000 Is the Washington Post making an allegation it was a wrongful shooting?

00:12:03.000 Either of those?

00:12:05.000 Really, where's the allega- Do we have any details on the allegations?

00:12:08.000 As far as being the subject of complaints, police officers are routinely subjected to complaints, the vast majority of which are completely specious.

00:12:14.000 The vast majority of complaints against police officers generally involve suspects involved in bad behavior who don't like the fact that they are being arrested.

00:12:22.000 But says the Washington Post, if police training is state-of-the-art, how to account for the failure of other police to act, including three officers who are set to go to trial in August for aiding and abetting Floyd's murder.

00:12:30.000 By the way, no way those guys get convicted.

00:12:33.000 That's going to be so hard to try and convict those guys.

00:12:36.000 One has to wonder what would have happened if a young bystander to Floyd's arrest hadn't had the presence of mind and bravery to film the events and show the world the damning evidence.

00:12:43.000 Would George Floyd have become just another incidence of force used disproportionately against black people?

00:12:47.000 Prosecutors are right that the jury will decide the guilt or innocence of Mr. Chauvin, but make no mistake, policing is also on trial.

00:12:52.000 Okay, the predicate to that piece is that there is no doubt whatsoever that not only did Chauvin act wrongly, not only did he misjudge the situation, he purposefully killed George Floyd, and police all over the country are doing the same.

00:13:04.000 There's only one problem with this narrative.

00:13:05.000 The evidence is not backing it up thus far in this case.

00:13:08.000 It just is not.

00:13:10.000 Okay, so let's begin with the chief question here.

00:13:12.000 What was the cause of death?

00:13:13.000 So in order to convict Chauvin of murder, you first have to show causation.

00:13:16.000 That it was his actions that led to Floyd's death.

00:13:18.000 And it can't just be but-for causation.

00:13:21.000 There's two types of causation.

00:13:22.000 There's causation in fact, and there's but-for causation.

00:13:25.000 But-for causation means there's a chain of events leading to an outcome.

00:13:28.000 But-for, any link in that chain, the outcome would not happen.

00:13:33.000 So for example, if George Floyd doesn't get out of bed in the morning, He doesn't die.

00:13:37.000 That day.

00:13:38.000 Maybe.

00:13:39.000 Right?

00:13:40.000 So that is a but-for causation fact.

00:13:42.000 If the person in front of him at the stoplight had sped through a yellow, maybe he's not there at that particular time and place.

00:13:48.000 Is that person responsible for his death?

00:13:49.000 No, because there's a difference between but-for causation and then causation in fact.

00:13:53.000 If there are many intervening factors in a particular case, that goes to the question of causation in fact.

00:14:00.000 So, the defense is arguing, I think on fairly strong terms here, that George Floyd's massive drug use contributed to his death.

00:14:08.000 And that if you have to allocate where the causation lies, it lies much more with Floyd's drug use than it lies with Chauvin using this suppression hold.

00:14:18.000 Hey, this is the subject of controversy, but that's the entire point.

00:14:21.000 You don't have to believe that the defense is 100% correct to acknowledge that reasonable doubt exists.

00:14:25.000 Because again, the standard in criminal law is not, who do I think is right?

00:14:28.000 But can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that's a very high standard in criminal law, beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin killed Floyd?

00:14:35.000 Not Floyd's pre-existing heart condition and massive drug use.

00:14:39.000 OK, so how extensive was Floyd's drug use?

00:14:41.000 And people are saying this is slandering Floyd.

00:14:42.000 It's not slandering Floyd.

00:14:43.000 It goes to the heart of the case.

00:14:45.000 This is one of the ways that the media bias the case.

00:14:46.000 They say you're not even allowed to talk about Floyd's behavior in the lead up to the actual tape.

00:14:51.000 You're not allowed to talk about Floyd's medical status.

00:14:53.000 Well, if you're not allowed to talk about that stuff, then we should be honest to God should not have defense in this country.

00:14:58.000 We should not have legal defenses in this country if you can't talk about the factors leading to the guy's death.

00:15:03.000 So this is not an argument about Floyd's character because, frankly, his character doesn't matter here.

00:15:07.000 The only thing that matters here is the causation.

00:15:10.000 That's the only thing that matters.

00:15:12.000 That's why I don't find it particularly relevant what his criminal history was.

00:15:16.000 He had a bad criminal history.

00:15:17.000 I don't think it's very relevant to this case, what his criminal history was, other than police running his name, for example, or his ID, and recognizing that maybe in the past he'd had run-ins with cops, and so you have to be extremely careful with him, right?

00:15:29.000 The question is always, what is the relevance of the evidence to this particular case?

00:15:34.000 So, the relevance here is that George Floyd was a serious drug addict.

00:15:38.000 Not only was he a serious drug addict, he's a serious drug addict who had overdosed in the recent past.

00:15:42.000 Courtney Ross is Floyd's girlfriend, and she testified on the stand that just a few months ago, he actually overdosed, and then she had to bring him to the ER.

00:15:51.000 He wasn't feeling good.

00:15:52.000 His stomach really hurt.

00:15:55.000 He was doubled over in pain.

00:15:59.000 Just wasn't feeling well, and he said he had to go to the hospital, so I took him straight to the hospital.

00:16:04.000 You later learned that that was due to an overdose?

00:16:09.000 Yes.

00:16:10.000 Okay, well, he'd already overdosed in the past few months.

00:16:14.000 Not only did he already overdose in the past few months, as we will see, he was high at the time that he was arrested.

00:16:20.000 Quite high, right?

00:16:20.000 By the toxicology report, very, very high.

00:16:23.000 And not only that, his drug dealer was in the car with him.

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00:17:42.000 Alrighty, so.

00:17:43.000 It turns out that the man in the car with George Floyd, the day he died, refuses to testify.

00:17:48.000 Now, his testimony might be relevant, you think?

00:17:50.000 The reason that he's refusing to testify is because he was his drug dealer.

00:17:55.000 The man's name is Maurice Hall.

00:17:56.000 He's currently in jail.

00:17:58.000 He appeared via Zoom at a court hearing on Tuesday morning, in which his attorney argued he has no immunity from prosecution that stems from testimony about his and Floyd's behavior while seated in a Mercedes-Benz SUV shortly before the police arrived on May 25th and arrested Floyd.

00:18:11.000 Hey, now, here's the weird part.

00:18:13.000 Here's the weird part.

00:18:14.000 Normally, it is the prosecution that can offer immunity.

00:18:17.000 Not normally, it's the only way this works.

00:18:19.000 The prosecution goes to somebody whose testimony they want, and they offer him immunity in exchange for his testimony.

00:18:25.000 The prosecution doesn't want Maurice Haltz to testify.

00:18:28.000 Isn't that somewhat suspicious?

00:18:29.000 The man sitting next to George Floyd, in the car, his drug dealer, they don't want him to testify.

00:18:36.000 And the defense can't compel his testimony because he can use the fifth.

00:18:39.000 Why is he claiming the fifth?

00:18:40.000 Why is he saying that he might incriminate himself?

00:18:43.000 Because he is afraid that he's going to be forced to testify that he gave George Floyd the drugs that killed him and then he will be charged with third-degree manslaughter.

00:18:50.000 That is what he is afraid of.

00:18:51.000 Or third-degree homicide.

00:18:53.000 Because he's committing a felony.

00:18:55.000 So that means it's felony murder.

00:18:57.000 Right?

00:18:57.000 So this is...

00:18:59.000 A serious problem, okay?

00:19:00.000 If you're the prosecution, normally, it would seem kind of relevant to, you know, question the guy in the car with Floyd.

00:19:06.000 Maybe that guy says that Floyd wasn't high.

00:19:08.000 Maybe that guy says that Floyd was exhibiting no symptoms of having any sort of medical trouble, right?

00:19:13.000 All that testimony would be relevant.

00:19:15.000 The prosecution is not offering him immunity because they don't want him to testify.

00:19:19.000 And the reason they don't want him to testify is because they are afraid that then the defense will question the guy and the defense will say, by the way, didn't you give this guy enough drugs to kill him?

00:19:29.000 And then the cases exploded.

00:19:30.000 So it's kind of a big deal that Maurice Hall does not want to testify.

00:19:34.000 According to Nelson, Eric Nelson is the lawyer for Chauvin, he says that the jury would hear from Hall.

00:19:43.000 He said this will include evidence that while they were in the car, Floyd consumed what he thought were two Percocet painkiller pills.

00:19:49.000 But they were not Percocet.

00:19:52.000 Nelson said Mr. Floyd's friends will explain that Floyd fell asleep in the car and that they couldn't wake him to get him going, and they thought the police might be coming because the store employees were coming out.

00:20:01.000 But now, Hall's lawyer says he won't take the witness stand.

00:20:05.000 The lawyer says, Your Honor, I can't envision any topic that Mr. Hall would be called to testify on that would be both relevant to the case that would not incriminate him.

00:20:12.000 Mr. Hall's testimony in these matters would specifically put him in the position of being in very close proximity to Mr. Floyd in a vehicle where drugs were found during a search by police following Floyd's death.

00:20:22.000 Courtney Ross actually testified that Maurice Hall was the person selling pills to Floyd.

00:20:27.000 Here is Courtney Ross, Floyd's girlfriend, talking about this, saying that Floyd purchased drugs from Hall in the past, that these drugs had not been good for George Floyd, that they had exacerbated him, made him really agitated, and that they continued to have those pills around from March through May.

00:20:42.000 Would you agree with me that the FBI agents asked you, from March to May, if you continued to purchase those pills from the same source. Did they ask you that question? They did. And you responded once in a while when we were desperate, agreed? That's what it says, yes.

00:21:02.000 Okay, not only that, they found, this is an incredible thing.

00:21:07.000 Okay, the investigators on the scene, they went to look at the police squad car.

00:21:10.000 Okay, Chauvin's lawyers went to look at the police squad car.

00:21:13.000 This is six months after the incident.

00:21:16.000 Okay, and what they turned out to find were half-chewed pills on the floor of the squad car that had Floyd's DNA on them.

00:21:22.000 Somehow, the police investigators missed all of that.

00:21:25.000 How is that even possible?

00:21:26.000 This is the highest profile criminal case that we've had in this country, probably since O.J.

00:21:31.000 Simpson.

00:21:32.000 And the notion that they missed key evidence, like, you know, the half-chewed pills that had meth and also had fentanyl in them, they had traces both in the pills, that those had George Floyd's DNA on them, in the back of the squad car, and they somehow missed that?

00:21:49.000 Normally, that would be enough right there to provide reasonable doubt.

00:21:53.000 They somehow missed that.

00:21:54.000 Okay, so if that's not enough for you, the evidence here in terms of reasonable doubt is very solid.

00:22:00.000 The reason I'm bringing this up is not to say that you have to think that Derek Chauvin is a wonderful person or God forbid George Floyd deserved to die or anything like that.

00:22:08.000 Nothing like that.

00:22:09.000 The point I'm making here is that the media are lying to you when they say there's no case for reasonable doubt.

00:22:12.000 There's an extremely strong case for reasonable doubt.

00:22:16.000 Hey, here's another piece of evidence.

00:22:18.000 You've only been told by the prosecution and by the media that you should watch the 8 minutes and 46 seconds.

00:22:24.000 That is the only part of the tape that matters.

00:22:27.000 Here's a section of the tape from approximately 2 minutes before.

00:22:32.000 That is from body cam footage.

00:22:33.000 In which George Floyd is screaming that he cannot breathe before he is out of the car.

00:22:38.000 If he cannot breathe before he is out of the car, then whatever suffering he was having with regard to his breathing was not initiated by Derek Chauvin's knee.

00:22:47.000 It was initiated by some exterior circumstance.

00:22:50.000 At this point, nothing had happened that could even remotely be considered felony assault by the police officers.

00:22:55.000 They'd really gently attempted to put him in the car.

00:22:57.000 He was resisting arrest.

00:22:58.000 He was shouting.

00:22:59.000 He asked them to crack a window.

00:23:00.000 They said, we will absolutely do that.

00:23:02.000 He said, I'm claustrophobic.

00:23:03.000 He forced his way out of the car.

00:23:04.000 He said he would prefer to be on the ground rather than in the car.

00:23:07.000 He's already before Chauvin even approaches him.

00:23:10.000 Before Chauvin approaches him, George Floyd is saying he can't breathe.

00:23:14.000 Which means that if you take him seriously, Which, given the fact that apparently he died of some form of asphyxia, whether it is drug-induced asphyxia or physically-induced asphyxia, it's more likely to be drug-induced asphyxia if you're complaining that you can't breathe before there's any possibility of positional or physically-induced asphyxia.

00:23:34.000 And here is the tape of George Floyd saying he can't breathe before he's even out of the car.

00:23:38.000 Please, please, please, please, please.

00:23:43.000 I can't joke. I can't breathe. Please.

00:23:49.000 For those who can't see, he's still in the squad car at this point.

00:23:54.000 This is not when Chauvin is on him.

00:23:57.000 He's in the squad car.

00:23:58.000 He's resisting arrest and he's shouting, I can't choke.

00:24:00.000 He's shouting, I'm choking.

00:24:01.000 I can't breathe.

00:24:03.000 That seems like a fairly solid case for reasonable doubt when it comes to causation, does it not?

00:24:07.000 But it doesn't stop there.

00:24:08.000 So meanwhile, the defense is making yet another case.

00:24:12.000 Okay, and that case is that you've seen all of this tape of Chauvin on the back of Floyd's neck.

00:24:17.000 Except that there is a camera differential here.

00:24:21.000 It depends on the camera angle.

00:24:22.000 So, you've all seen the tape that was taken by the bystander of the George Floyd incident.

00:24:26.000 There's body cam footage as well.

00:24:28.000 The defense lawyers brought out that footage.

00:24:31.000 And what that footage appears to show is that there's an angle where it looks like Chauvin is on Floyd's neck.

00:24:37.000 Okay?

00:24:38.000 This is the angle that's very famous.

00:24:40.000 And then there's the angle where you can actually see his knee.

00:24:44.000 His knee from this angle is not, in fact, on George Floyd's neck.

00:24:47.000 At least not for the bulk of the time.

00:24:49.000 His knee is on George Floyd's shoulder and his back.

00:24:53.000 You know who testified to this?

00:24:54.000 The police chief, Midaria Arandondo.

00:24:57.000 Okay, this is the guy who was saying that Chauvin was using unapproved use of force that led to the death.

00:25:01.000 So this goes to causation.

00:25:02.000 It also goes to whether it's an approved use of force.

00:25:04.000 Okay, if you've got a knee on somebody's shoulder blade, that is a very different thing from if you have a knee on somebody's carotid artery or something.

00:25:09.000 Here is the defense lawyer getting the police chief in Minneapolis who is testifying against Chauvin to acknowledge that his knee appears to be on his shoulder, not on his neck.

00:25:17.000 You can see clearly from the body footage right here that his knee is actually on the back of his of his back.

00:25:33.000 Would you agree that from the perspective of Officer King's body camera, it appears that Officer Chauvin's knee was more on Mr. Floyd's shoulder blade?

00:25:47.000 Yes.

00:25:48.000 Okay, and you can see the hesitancy there from the Minneapolis police chief because he really doesn't want to answer that particular question because it really makes it difficult to convict somebody for putting a knee on somebody's shoulder blade if they then die of some sort of asphyxia.

00:26:01.000 Okay, then the lawyer also elicited the same exact testimony from the prosecution's use of force expert.

00:26:08.000 Again, this is all the stuff that they're not going to show you on CNN.

00:26:10.000 They'll show it maybe on CNN Headline News and discuss it, but nobody watches that.

00:26:14.000 So the mainstream, most watched, Establishment media will not focus on these particular stories because they really, really undercut the prosecution's case.

00:26:22.000 It's important, once again, because it completely undercuts the media narrative that this case is a foregone conclusion and any acquittal is just evidence of evil American racism.

00:26:31.000 Here is the defense lawyer eliciting the exact same testimony from the prosecution's use of force expert.

00:26:37.000 Based on your observation of this photograph, it appears that the shin is coming from the top of the shoulder.

00:26:45.000 Across the shoulder blade, correct?

00:26:47.000 Yes, sir.

00:26:48.000 Again, can you see what appears to be the placement of the leg of one of the officers at the shoulder blade of Mr. Floyd?

00:27:00.000 It appears so.

00:27:01.000 And again, here we have what appears to be the shin coming over the top of Mr. Floyd's shoulder blade?

00:27:07.000 That's what it appears.

00:27:10.000 Okay.

00:27:11.000 Well, I mean, again, if you're building a case for reasonable doubt, Looks a lot like a reasonable doubt.

00:27:15.000 And meanwhile, they also elicited testimony.

00:27:17.000 All of this is about causation.

00:27:19.000 They did Sheldon's knee cause George Floyd's death.

00:27:23.000 Or was it the massive amounts of drugs in George Floyd's system, the 75% arterial blockage, and the fact that George Floyd was quite high before any of this occurred?

00:27:31.000 The ER physician called, again, these are all prosecution witnesses who are being kind of taken apart by the defense here.

00:27:38.000 This is a prosecution witness.

00:27:39.000 This is the ER physician, Dr. Bradford Wankhede Langenfeld.

00:27:42.000 Now, important to note that Dr. Langenfeld here never actually met George Floyd while he was alive.

00:27:47.000 He didn't care for George Floyd while he was alive.

00:27:48.000 By the time that he got to the hospital, George Floyd had essentially expired.

00:27:52.000 He'd basically flatlined while he was in the ambulance on the way to the hospital.

00:27:56.000 If he did see him, it was like the very end and he had no information as to drug use at that point because all he saw in front of him is a body.

00:28:02.000 And so he had testified that this was the leading cause of death here, the most likely cause of death was asphyxia.

00:28:08.000 And so the media ran, this is the one where the media run with the headline, it was asphyxia that caused this, right?

00:28:13.000 Which makes it sound as though Chauvin chokeholded him to death.

00:28:16.000 There's only one problem.

00:28:17.000 As the defense points out, asphyxia does not necessarily mean that you died of air being lost because somebody is physically manipulating your body.

00:28:26.000 Asphyxia is a quite predictable result of drug overdose.

00:28:31.000 Hey, so here is the ER physician admitting this on the stand.

00:28:35.000 Was your leading theory then for the cause of Mr. Floyd's cardiac arrest oxygen deficiency?

00:28:43.000 That was one of the more likely possibilities.

00:28:46.000 There are many things that cause hypoxia that would still be considered asphyxiation.

00:28:52.000 Agreed?

00:28:52.000 Agreed.

00:28:53.000 Drug use.

00:28:54.000 Certain drugs can cause hypoxia.

00:28:56.000 Agreed?

00:28:57.000 Specifically fentanyl.

00:28:59.000 That's correct.

00:29:00.000 How about methamphetamine?

00:29:03.000 It can.

00:29:04.000 Combination of the two?

00:29:06.000 Yes.

00:29:06.000 I'm sorry, that's devastating stuff.

00:29:09.000 So their expert, the prosecution expert is like, yeah, it was hypoxia and asphyxia.

00:29:13.000 And the defense is like, OK, you know what could also cause that is drug use like fentanyl and meth.

00:29:16.000 And the expert's like, yep.

00:29:18.000 Reasonable doubt, guys, that's the standard reasonable doubt.

00:29:21.000 OK, and if that weren't enough for you on the causation issue, tape emerged yesterday, brought out by the defense of George Floyd yelling.

00:29:31.000 And this is now in dispute.

00:29:33.000 Okay, this is kind of amazing.

00:29:35.000 The witness that was brought forth by the prosecution was asked about this.

00:29:38.000 Remember, this is all being done on cross-examination by the defense counsel.

00:29:40.000 This is doing a pretty good job here.

00:29:44.000 The tape was brought forth by the defense counsel of George Floyd appearing to say something.

00:29:49.000 What he's saying is in dispute here.

00:29:51.000 You have to make up your mind for yourself.

00:29:53.000 Originally, the prosecution witness agreed with Nelson, the defense attorney, that what Floyd is saying here is, I ate too many drugs.

00:30:00.000 Which... I mean, if you're talking causation and what causes the death, if the person who died is shouting at the police officers, he ate too many drugs, and then he dies of what could be a drug overdose, that's not just reasonable doubt.

00:30:13.000 That is like super reasonable doubt.

00:30:16.000 Hey, here's the tape, and here's Nelson asking about it.

00:30:19.000 I'd like you to see if you can tell me what Mr. Floyd says in this instance.

00:30:24.000 You hear what he said?

00:30:26.000 No, I couldn't make it out.

00:30:27.000 Does it sound like he says, I ate too many drugs?

00:30:31.000 You hear what he said?

00:30:35.000 No, I couldn't make it out.

00:30:37.000 Does it sound like he says I ate too many drugs?

00:30:40.000 Listen again.

00:30:42.000 Oh, OK, so the original testimony there was, yes, it sounds like I ate too many drugs.

00:30:51.000 Then, they went to recess.

00:30:53.000 When they came back, the prosecution on recross, on redirect, asked, does it sound like I ain't doing no drugs?

00:31:01.000 And here's the thing about vague audio.

00:31:03.000 Once you hear it in your brain, it kind of switches a switch, right?

00:31:05.000 So you can't actually tell what's being said.

00:31:07.000 So it could be either one.

00:31:09.000 But again, the physical evidence here is pretty damning with regard to Floyd's drug use.

00:31:13.000 His drug dealer won't testify for fear of being self-incriminating.

00:31:18.000 The leading ER doctor there is testifying that hypoxia can be caused by drug use.

00:31:24.000 What is a more likely scenario?

00:31:25.000 Seriously, what is a more likely scenario here?

00:31:27.000 That George Floyd died because there was an officer who's 140 pounds, putting his knee on the back of his neck, even though that's not been shown, right?

00:31:34.000 For a lot of this, you have the witnesses testifying it's on a shoulder blade.

00:31:37.000 It's up here, right?

00:31:38.000 Like on the very top of his back.

00:31:41.000 But what is a more likely scenario?

00:31:43.000 I mean, the original medical examiner, the medical autopsy, originally suggested that if Floyd had been found dead in his house, they immediately would have declared it a drug overdose.

00:31:51.000 And so all of that goes to causation.

00:31:53.000 We haven't even gotten to the use of force yet.

00:31:56.000 That's how scanty the prosecution case here is.

00:31:59.000 This is a very difficult case for the prosecution.

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00:34:00.000 Okay, the other part of the prosecution case is the felony assault case, right?

00:34:10.000 This is the second-degree murder charge.

00:34:11.000 So the idea here is not that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd.

00:34:16.000 The idea here is that he intended to commit a felony assault against Floyd, and then Floyd died in the process.

00:34:21.000 In order to say that, You have to say that it was not only unreasonable, it was insanely unreasonable for Derek Chauvin to apply the kind of force he was applying, because the Minneapolis Police Department explicitly allows the kinds of hold that Chauvin was using here.

00:34:34.000 So you would have to say that Chauvin ignored all of the evidence of what was going on that was in front of him, that Chauvin deliberately wanted to inflict pain on George Floyd, that he was ignoring all of the George Floyd's pleas for help, despite the fact that he should have believed George Floyd and that the crowd posed no threat.

00:34:48.000 Okay, so, the prosecution, to back that idea, called the Minneapolis Police Department Use of Force trainer, a guy named Johnny Mersel.

00:34:57.000 And in his testimony, he said, yes, this is unapproved use of force.

00:35:00.000 He talked about the continuum of the use of force.

00:35:02.000 He basically said that when the suspect is non-actively resisting, that you're not supposed to use this procedure.

00:35:07.000 He didn't really get into the details of how you decide whether somebody is actively resisting or passively resisting, because at one point Floyd kicked and some of the cops were saying that he seems like he's resisting again.

00:35:16.000 In any case, it was on cross that this particular witness for the state completely fell apart.

00:35:21.000 Okay, so the MPD use of force trainer, remember there's a prosecution witness, Johnny Mercil, he specifically asked, okay, so, you know, have you ever been in a situation where a suspect claims a medical emergency and you ignore the medical emergency because the suspect is just lying?

00:35:38.000 By the way, this happens a lot.

00:35:38.000 Have you ever talked to cops?

00:35:40.000 The people who are arrested, turns out they don't like being arrested.

00:35:42.000 Many times they will claim that brutality is taking place or that they are experiencing some sort of medical emergency in order to Have you had people say they were having a medical emergency?

00:35:53.000 Have you had people say, I can't breathe?

00:35:53.000 Yes, sir.

00:35:55.000 brought by the prosecution to testify.

00:35:57.000 Asks, have you ever personally disbelieved a suspect's claim of medical emergency?

00:36:02.000 Have you had people say they were having a medical emergency?

00:36:09.000 Yes, sir.

00:36:11.000 Would you, have you had people say, I can't breathe?

00:36:14.000 Yes, sir.

00:36:15.000 And do you, were there circumstances during the course of your career as a patrol officer where you didn't believe that that person was having a medical emergency?

00:36:28.000 Yes, sir.

00:36:29.000 Okay, so their own use of force specialist is saying it's certainly plausible that if somebody's claiming a medical emergency, you don't necessarily take them at their word because a lot of people are just not telling the truth in these particular circumstances.

00:36:40.000 In this case, Floyd was telling the truth, but that doesn't change.

00:36:43.000 In order, again, intent is an element of the crime.

00:36:45.000 You have to prove intent to say that it was felony assault.

00:36:48.000 It can't just be an accident.

00:36:49.000 It has to be intent to be felony assault.

00:36:52.000 It also turns out that the suppression tactic that was being used here by Chauvin is a lesser use of force than some of the other use of forces that were available.

00:36:59.000 For example, there's something called a hobble. 0.52

00:37:00.000 A hobble is basically you chain somebody's legs together in the back, you chain their hands together in the back, and then you chain them together so they really can't move.

00:37:08.000 I kind of trust up.

00:37:10.000 That sounds pretty horrible.

00:37:11.000 That is a greater use of force.

00:37:12.000 That was not used here.

00:37:13.000 So it turns out that the hold that Chauvin was using was actually not at the end of the continuum of use of force, right?

00:37:18.000 There are other ones beyond that.

00:37:19.000 Mercel did testify to that.

00:37:21.000 Mercel also testified that you can have situations where somebody who is high on drugs seems to be stronger than normal, which means that you're afraid that they might buck you off.

00:37:31.000 That's particularly true in a case where there's a significant physical imbalance.

00:37:35.000 In this particular case, George Floyd is a very large man, very muscular man.

00:37:37.000 He's 6'5 and 240, or 6'5 and 230.

00:37:41.000 Chauvin is like 5'9 and 140.

00:37:42.000 In any case, here was the, again, police use of force trainer who was called by the prosecution, acknowledging that drugs can make suspects stronger.

00:37:52.000 In your experience, have you ever had to use force against somebody who's under the influence of a controlled substance?

00:37:59.000 Yes, sir.

00:38:00.000 Do you train officers that certain controlled substances can cause a person to exhibit more strength than they would have otherwise?

00:38:10.000 Yes, sir.

00:38:11.000 Okay, and not just that.

00:38:12.000 Mercel also testified, this lieutenant, Minneapolis Police Department, he also testified, you can have suspects go unconscious and then resuscitate and be more aggressive than they were before they were unconscious.

00:38:23.000 All of this goes to Chauvin's mindset.

00:38:25.000 You have to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:38:27.000 Here is Mercel again.

00:38:29.000 In your experience after a person has been rendered unconscious using a neck restraint, is it possible for them to continue to fight after they come back to consciousness?

00:38:39.000 It is possible, yes.

00:38:40.000 Have you experienced that personally?

00:38:43.000 I have not experienced somebody fighting after neck restraint.

00:38:47.000 But you're aware the Minneapolis Police Department trains people that that is a possibility?

00:38:52.000 Yes, sir.

00:38:54.000 And in fact, sometimes they can be just as aggressive or even more aggressive after coming to consciousness?

00:39:02.000 That is possible, yes.

00:39:03.000 Okay, so the Minneapolis Police Force trains for that.

00:39:06.000 So when people resist arrest, they're typically going to use suppression holds in this way.

00:39:11.000 Okay, or at least they have.

00:39:12.000 How do we know that?

00:39:13.000 Because Mersel then testified that he had personally used neck restraints until EMS arrived.

00:39:19.000 Okay, that he called emergency medical services and that he was still afraid that the person was resisting arrest and so he continued to use neck restraints.

00:39:26.000 This is the use of force specialist for MPD.

00:39:27.000 They have to show that Chauvin completely ignored the MPD use of force standards because he wanted to commit a felony assault beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:39:35.000 I don't know how you get beyond a reasonable doubt with testimony like this from the prosecution witness.

00:39:40.000 Sometimes an officer has called for EMS, correct?

00:39:44.000 That's correct.

00:39:46.000 And sometimes an officer may hold a person, using their body weight to restrain them, awaiting the arrival of EMS, correct?

00:39:54.000 Yes, sir.

00:39:55.000 You've done that yourself?

00:39:56.000 I have.

00:39:57.000 And sometimes you've had to, or was it fair to say that you've had to train officers to use their body weight to continue holding them until EMS arrives?

00:40:08.000 As long as needed to control them, yes.

00:40:10.000 Okay, so this brings up the question, as long as you need to control.

00:40:14.000 So what happened in those final three minutes, right?

00:40:16.000 So the prosecution's case now turns to, okay, well, fine.

00:40:20.000 Let's say all that's true.

00:40:21.000 In the last three minutes, it's pretty clear that at that point, even if you're worried that Floyd is gonna wake up and that Floyd is gonna be more aggressive, why didn't you start CPR chest compressions?

00:40:30.000 Why didn't you start resuscitating him?

00:40:32.000 Because there's a sort of three minute gap near the end of the tape before EMS arrives.

00:40:37.000 Why weren't you performing chest compressions?

00:40:38.000 Why weren't you doing anything?

00:40:39.000 Because you have a duty of care to people who are in your custody.

00:40:42.000 The defense is making the case that the officers were distracted by the crowd, that the officers were having a difficult time performing any sort of medical care on Floyd because the crowd was getting aggressive.

00:40:52.000 This is the case that Nelson was making very early on in the case.

00:40:56.000 This is the defense attorney.

00:40:58.000 There are people across the street.

00:41:00.000 There are cars stopping, people yelling.

00:41:03.000 There is a growing crowd and what officers perceive to be a threat.

00:41:12.000 They're called names.

00:41:14.000 I heard them this morning. 0.99

00:41:15.000 A f***ing bomb. 0.99

00:41:18.000 They're screaming at them. 0.99

00:41:22.000 Causing the officers to divert their attention from the care of Mr. Floyd to the threat that was growing in front of them.

00:41:30.000 Okay, so the case that the defense is making is that when you have an unruly crowd that is getting aggressive with the cops, this means that it's very difficult for them to just go into full-scale, we gotta do medical rescue mode because they are too busy worried about the fact that they might get charged by the people in the crowd.

00:41:45.000 And there's some footage from the crowd that day.

00:41:46.000 People are screaming, people are yelling.

00:41:48.000 And one of the people I believe, one of the people who I think testified last week actually, has to be physically held back by somebody else in the crowd.

00:41:56.000 And in fact, again, the prosecution witness, the use of force expert, the prosecution witness, he said, yeah, you know, unruly crowds are a factor in whether or not you have to restrain a suspect.

00:42:08.000 In terms of the continuation of use of force, and we're talking about involvement of onlookers, right?

00:42:17.000 The words they use matter, correct?

00:42:21.000 Yes, they do.

00:42:23.000 If they're cheering on and saying, good job, officer, that's one consideration, right?

00:42:28.000 Correct. 1.00

00:42:28.000 But if they're saying, I'd slap the f*** out of you, or you're a p***y, or you're a chump, Would that reasonably tend to rise alarm in a police officer? 1.00

00:42:39.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

00:42:40.000 Hey, those are the exact quotes from the people in the crowd.

00:42:43.000 He just read the police use of force expert called by the prosecution, the exact quotes from the crowd.

00:42:48.000 And the police use of force expert overtly testified that that is a factor in whether you restrain the suspect or not, or whether you can give medical care.

00:42:55.000 Then you had Officer Nicole McKenzie.

00:42:56.000 She was the medical support specialist for the MPD.

00:43:00.000 And she also testified, same thing.

00:43:01.000 She said unsafe crowd circumstances can prevent CPR, for example.

00:43:06.000 One of the reasons you stop performing CPR is because it's not safe, right?

00:43:13.000 Correct.

00:43:14.000 And by it being not safe, are you referring to the process of actually getting CPR or the environment that you would be doing it in?

00:43:23.000 It would be the environment around you.

00:43:25.000 Okay.

00:43:27.000 And so it stands to reason that if the environment around you you would determine to be not safe, you may not start it right away.

00:43:36.000 That would be a better, reasonable, yes.

00:43:40.000 Okay, so one of the things that happened here is that when the EMS arrived on scene, the first thing that they did was they apparently did not perform CPR on Floyd at the scene.

00:43:49.000 They did what they call a load and scoot, right? They got him on the gurney, they put him in the ambulance, and then they started to treat him. So Nelson asked why, right? Why did they do a load and scoot? And McKenzie said, well, one reason that the, was that the patient might need immediate care that could only be provided at a hospital, like an emergency surgery.

00:44:05.000 But is there another reason?

00:44:06.000 And McKenzie said, there are some times when the crowd is so aggressive that we, the EMS, not even the cops, the EMS cannot provide normal medical care.

00:44:14.000 And so if they did a load and scoot in this particular case, Then why would they do that?

00:44:20.000 Were the EMS also participating in the murder of George Floyd?

00:44:23.000 Why didn't they just treat him on the sidewalk, right?

00:44:25.000 I mean, he's on the street.

00:44:26.000 Why didn't they turn him over and perform CPR?

00:44:28.000 Essentially, the prosecution's own medical specialist says that the reason that they had to do a load and scoot is because the crowd was so aggressive, which completely undercuts the case that Shalvin should have been performing medical...

00:44:39.000 Emergency CPR without regard for the crowd when even the EMS, not the cops, the EMS didn't even do this when they got there.

00:44:47.000 Why?

00:44:47.000 Because they wanted to load them into the ambulance.

00:44:48.000 Because they wanted to get the hell out of there.

00:44:50.000 Because things were getting ugly.

00:44:51.000 Okay, this led to the most bizarre situation of the day over the course of the last couple of days.

00:44:57.000 And that was the defense asked Nicole McKenzie, that officer, the medical support for MPD, they asked her, Or that excited delirium.

00:45:06.000 Excited delirium is a condition, we've talked about it on the show, in which people who are high on drugs start having racing hearts, and then they just crash.

00:45:15.000 Okay, we've seen this in a variety of cases across the country.

00:45:18.000 Most recently in Rochester, New York, that seems like a case of excited delirium.

00:45:21.000 There's a black man who was naked running around the streets in the snow, he was in the middle of a drug-induced craze, and he died in police custody.

00:45:31.000 And that seems to be in a case of excited delirium.

00:45:35.000 So even fentanyl, even in very small doses, can be fatal?

00:45:37.000 Would that be accurate?

00:45:37.000 delirium questions. Here's Nelson asking about excited delirium to McKenzie and prosecution objects because they don't want to talk about it. So even fentanyl, even in very small doses, can be fatal. Would that be accurate? I'll rephrase the question.

00:45:53.000 Is the prosecutors object to questions about fentanyl and fentanyl overdoses and excited delirium? At which point the defense says, fine, we'll call your witness as our witness.

00:46:10.000 That's how badly the case is going for the prosecution.

00:46:12.000 Prosecution witnesses are now becoming defense witnesses.

00:46:15.000 So, what is the conclusion of all of this?

00:46:17.000 Can you watch all of that and say that it's completely unreasonable and crazy and beyond the pale for anybody to come up with reasonable doubt here?

00:46:24.000 Frankly, I think it's difficult not to come up with reasonable doubt here, given the fact pattern in this particular case.

00:46:28.000 It doesn't mean you have to like Chauvin.

00:46:29.000 It doesn't mean you have to like what happened or like the tape.

00:46:32.000 What it does mean is that in a standard of reasonable doubt, it is very difficult to argue reasonable doubt does not exist.

00:46:36.000 And what that means is that the media are liars, and they are lying to you when they say that this is a clear-cut case.

00:46:41.000 They are lying to you when they suggest that only American racism could require an acquittal in this particular case.

00:46:47.000 And they are rooting for riots.

00:46:48.000 They want violence in the streets if they continue to promulgate lies about the The certain outcome of this trial and the nature of the evidence in this case.

00:46:56.000 If you keep saying to people that this is a clear-cut case, that only deep, abiding, systemic American racism could result in an acquittal, and you ignore all evidence to the contrary, you are stoking the flames.

00:47:06.000 You are stoking them.

00:47:07.000 And that's what the media are doing today.

00:47:08.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with an additional hour of content coming up soon.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 08, 2021

The Prosecution Against Derek Chauvin Is Collapsing | Ep. 1231

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