The Ben Shapiro Show - The Real Bitter Clingers | Ep. 638

00:00:00.000 Elizabeth Warren's humiliating self-own, the media give President Trump a reason to question fake news again, and Hillary will never leave. 0.94

00:00:08.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:15.000 Oh, Elizabeth Warren, the smoke signals for 2020 have never been stronger, but it seems as though she has just collapsed her own wigwam.

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00:01:40.000 Elizabeth Warren, making my day great again.

00:01:43.000 So, Elizabeth Warren is the senator from Massachusetts.

00:01:46.000 I knew her a little bit when I was at Harvard Law School because she was a property professor. 0.98

00:01:49.000 They're a pretty popular property professor.

00:01:51.000 The first time I met her, she, literally the first time I met her, she was recruiting for Harvard Law School and she ripped on Rush Limbaugh, so that was a pretty good opener for what Elizabeth Warren was politically. 1.00

00:02:01.000 Well, Elizabeth Warren today decided that she would engage in the most humiliating self-own I have ever seen in American politics. 1.00

00:02:09.000 I mean, this is like the best self own of all time.

00:02:12.000 This is the equivalent of that guy who owned gold during the World Cup and then got killed for it.

00:02:17.000 Hopefully nothing bad happens to Elizabeth Warren.

00:02:19.000 Nobody is calling for violence, but this is a really bad own goal.

00:02:22.000 My goodness.

00:02:23.000 So we have to travel back in time to a time when Elizabeth Warren claimed that she was, in fact, Native American.

00:02:29.000 She said that she had high Cherokee cheekbones.

00:02:31.000 She suggested in a in a recipe book called Pow Wow Chow, I kid you not, that she was a Native American.

00:02:38.000 And the recipe she submitted to Pow Wow Chow was a recipe, again I kid you not, for crab bisque.

00:02:45.000 Because, clearly, that was something the Cherokees made back in the day. 0.99

00:02:48.000 Crab bisque.

00:02:49.000 The noted crab herds of the Oklahoma plains that her ancestors used to hunt.

00:02:55.000 Elizabeth Warren told this story over and over about her Native American ancestry.

00:02:59.000 And what she said was that there were racist members of her family who couldn't accept her parents' romance because her mom was partially Native American.

00:03:07.000 Here's Elizabeth Warren telling the romantic story. 0.95

00:03:10.000 Actually, you have it wrong about what it is, I believe.

00:03:13.000 Let's start there.

00:03:14.000 Tell us what it is.

00:03:15.000 Okay.

00:03:15.000 My mom and dad were very much in love with each other and they wanted to get married.

00:03:21.000 And my father's parents said, absolutely not.

00:03:24.000 You can't marry her because she's part Cherokee and she's part Delaware. 1.00

00:03:28.000 And after fighting it as long as they could, my parents went off.

00:03:32.000 They eloped.

00:03:34.000 Okay, so her parents eloped because her mom was part Cherokee and part Delaware.

00:03:39.000 Which means, you would think, pretty hefty dose of Native American ancestry right there, right?

00:03:43.000 I mean, if her family is worried about it, then sounds like that would be some significant Native American ancestry.

00:03:49.000 So, President Trump didn't believe this because it's nonsense.

00:03:52.000 People actually checked into her background, they found there's no Native American ancestry anywhere in the time horizon of rationality.

00:03:59.000 So President Trump went out on the campaign trail, this is back in 2017 I believe, and he was holding a rally in Montana.

00:04:06.000 And he suggested that he would give her a million dollars if she could prove her Native American ancestry.

00:04:12.000 And we will say, I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian. 0.87

00:04:24.000 So today, Elizabeth Warren came forward with the evidence that she was, in fact, Native American.

00:04:30.000 Now, I think that it is important to note, if you don't believe in media bias, you have to check out the headlines today, because the headlines today are truly astonishing.

00:04:37.000 The headline today from the Daily Beast suggests that there is strong evidence that she is Native American.

00:04:43.000 Okay, it says, this is the actual title.

00:04:45.000 Elizabeth Warren DNA Test Reveals Native American Ancestry. 0.78

00:04:50.000 Her claims to indigenous heritage had been ridiculed by Trump.

00:04:53.000 CNN had a headline about Elizabeth Warren.

00:04:56.000 Same thing.

00:04:56.000 It says, Trump offered $1 million.

00:04:58.000 Now he says, who cares?

00:05:01.000 And Elizabeth Warren releases test with strong evidence of ancestry.

00:05:06.000 And then analysis, why Elizabeth Warren is number one in our new 2020 rankings. 0.96

00:05:10.000 So CNN obviously has a pretty strong agenda here.

00:05:12.000 So what this would suggest, if you just read those headlines, is she took a DNA test and it found that a great-grandparent was Native American or something.

00:05:20.000 Well, well!

00:05:23.000 Not smuch.

00:05:25.000 So, she took a DNA test. 1.00

00:05:28.000 And here is what it showed.

00:05:29.000 This is according to the Boston Globe.

00:05:43.000 He concluded that the vast majority of Warren's ancestry is European, but he added that the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor.

00:05:52.000 So what exactly does that mean?

00:05:53.000 Here's what it means.

00:05:54.000 Bustamante calculated that Warren's pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree in the range of six to ten generations ago.

00:06:04.000 Six to ten generations ago.

00:06:06.000 In other words, her actual Native American ancestor could be Pocahontas.

00:06:11.000 That takes you back like 200 years.

00:06:14.000 That's... Just to be straight about this.

00:06:17.000 Her claim that she has Native American ancestry was that her parent, her mom, was so Native American that she was discriminated against by her dad's family.

00:06:24.000 That is not the same thing as her great-great-great-great-great-grandparent minimum.

00:06:31.000 Was Native American.

00:06:32.000 Not the same thing at all.

00:06:33.000 And by the way, that is not the outer limit of the test.

00:06:35.000 The test shows that at best, at best, she was a 6th generation Native American.

00:06:41.000 At worst, at worst, it's 10th, which would mean that she had an ancestor, her great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparent, who was Native American.

00:06:53.000 The best part of this Boston Globe story,

00:06:56.000 It's really, really spectacular.

00:06:58.000 So it says, the inherent imprecision of the six-page DNA analysis could provide fodder for Warren's critics.

00:07:04.000 You think?

00:07:05.000 If her great-great-great-grandmother was Native American, that puts her at 132nd American Indian.

00:07:10.000 But no one says she's 132nd.

00:07:11.000 The minimum, right?

00:07:13.000 The minimum is that she is 1... I think it was 1,512th or something?

00:07:19.000 She's not... Like, 132nd is not actually a 6th generation Native American.

00:07:25.000 That's like a 4th generation Native American. 0.64

00:07:28.000 In any case, the report includes the possibility that she is just one 1,024th Native American, if the ancestor is ten generations back.

00:07:38.000 One 1,024th?

00:07:40.000 I love this.

00:07:41.000 So, here's the even better part.

00:07:43.000 To make up for the dearth of Native American ancestry,

00:07:47.000 DNA.

00:07:47.000 Bustamante used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia to stand in for Native American.

00:07:53.000 So in order to use Cherokee DNA to match her up, he used Mexican, Peruvian, and Colombian DNA to match up. 0.88

00:08:01.000 So what it really shows is that she's 1,1024th Mexican, Peruvian, or Colombian.

00:08:07.000 So, awesome.

00:08:09.000 Awesome.

00:08:11.000 I love this.

00:08:12.000 It says, Warren has 12 times more Native American blood than a white person from Great Britain, and 10 times more than a white person from Utah, the report found.

00:08:20.000 Well, there's only one problem with that.

00:08:21.000 What the actual study shows is that the average American in the United States, of any race, the average American in the United States is 0.18% Native American.

00:08:32.000 And by the way, you're not accepted as a Native American in a Native American tribe unless you are at least 116th Native American, meaning that you had a great-grandparent who was Native American.

00:08:40.000 So, we are now going back 10 generations to try and claim that she's a Native American.

00:08:45.000 Because she claims, I guess, a University of Pennsylvania Native American heritage and all the rest.

00:08:51.000 She is .009% Native American. 0.54

00:08:54.000 And she's bragging about this.

00:08:56.000 Right?

00:08:56.000 This is her claim.

00:08:57.000 And the media are saying, well, this should put this thing to bed.

00:09:00.000 This should put it to bed.

00:09:01.000 That is not.

00:09:03.000 That is not what she said.

00:09:04.000 That's not what she said at all.

00:09:07.000 At all.

00:09:08.000 It's spectacular.

00:09:10.000 She's 99.999% white. 0.97

00:09:12.000 Matt Walsh has a good tweet about this.

00:09:15.000 He says, after finding out that Warren is a staggering 99.999% white, Richard Spencer is expected to endorse her for president.

00:09:23.000 Exactly.

00:09:28.000 I love it so much.

00:09:30.000 I love it so much.

00:09:30.000 So, by the way, according to science, just want to get this straight.

00:09:34.000 According to science, if you are 1,024th Native American, that is strong evidence of Native American ancestry.

00:09:42.000 If you have two X chromosomes, this doesn't mean you're a woman.

00:09:46.000 That's according to the media.

00:09:48.000 This is science, people!

00:09:49.000 This isn't politics, it's science!

00:09:51.000 So, I have suggested publicly, as others have done, I'm not the only one, or probably the first person to have suggested this, President Trump should not give $1 million to Elizabeth Warren.

00:10:01.000 He should give her 1 1,024th of a million dollars.

00:10:05.000 He should sign her a $900 check, because that's how Native American she is. 1.00

00:10:12.000 It's so good!

00:10:13.000 And he should print it out in a giant publisher's clearinghouse check,

00:10:18.000 And he should sign it to Elizabeth Warren.

00:10:20.000 And in the subject line, he should write, failing 2020 campaign.

00:10:25.000 It's just spectacular.

00:10:27.000 It's just spectacular.

00:10:28.000 So I love that.

00:10:29.000 And again, you have to love the media bias here.

00:10:32.000 If anybody claimed this on the right, are you kidding me?

00:10:35.000 If I claimed that I had Native American ancestry and then people are like, well, Ben, you're pretty Jewish.

00:10:39.000 Eric, well, you know, if I take a 23andMe test and it shows that 10 generations ago, maybe someone with some DNA in common with a Colombian person was in my ancestry, would that make you Native American?

00:10:56.000 Also, I do love this.

00:10:59.000 Again, the idea that she is Native American based on an ancestor 10 generations ago, that's insane.

00:11:06.000 There's not, even the greatest racist, like the greatest racist on earth would not call her Native American.

00:11:11.000 The people who hate Native Americans would not call her Native American based on that ancestry.

00:11:14.000 You know, Nazis, not real fond of Jews, they cut off Jewish ancestry at second generation, at third generation.

00:11:20.000 They said if you have four German grandparents, then you are considered fully German. 0.91

00:11:24.000 Okay, and those people were super giant racists.

00:11:26.000 The left is now even more racist than the biggest racist because they are saying that if you have one

00:11:32.000 A tiny drop of Native American ancestry from 400 years ago.

00:11:38.000 Now you're Native American.

00:11:39.000 I wonder how Native Americans feel about this.

00:11:40.000 It can't be great.

00:11:41.000 It can't be great.

00:11:43.000 Really, really astonishing.

00:11:45.000 So, it's just... Ay-yay-yay-yay-yay-yay.

00:11:49.000 Ah, it's so good.

00:11:50.000 We'll have more on this.

00:11:52.000 I love it so... I love it so... Ah!

00:11:55.000 It's so great.

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00:13:07.000 So, Elizabeth Warren just making a mockery of herself and not even knowing it, and the media playing along. 0.99

00:13:12.000 Now, the question is, what motivated her to do this?

00:13:15.000 What made her do this?

00:13:17.000 What made Elizabeth Warren think, this is a great idea?

00:13:21.000 The answer is, by the way, how great an idea did she think this was?

00:13:25.000 She went home and she filmed a video with a bunch of her family members complaining about how Trump was mean for suggesting she didn't have Native American ancestry.

00:13:35.000 Uh-huh.

00:13:36.000 She obviously is prepping for a presidential run. 1.00

00:13:38.000 But this is so... My God.

00:13:41.000 You know how white Elizabeth Warren is? 1.00

00:13:43.000 Look at the back of this paper.

00:13:45.000 Okay, this paper right here is less white than Elizabeth Warren is.

00:13:49.000 Because you can still see the ink through it a little bit.

00:13:51.000 Okay, Elizabeth Warren is more white than this piece of paper.

00:13:55.000 And yet she is proclaiming that she's Native American. 0.70

00:13:59.000 It's so good.

00:14:00.000 It's just... It's so good.

00:14:03.000 Okay, so.

00:14:04.000 Ah, love it.

00:14:05.000 But why did she do this? 0.93

00:14:06.000 She did this because she knew the media would cover for her anyway.

00:14:08.000 So the media wrote a bunch of headlines saying that now she had been justified.

00:14:16.000 She had been justified in her accusations. 0.51

00:14:19.000 She had been justified in her claims.

00:14:20.000 And she is calling on President Trump to sign her a million dollar check because she is possibly .09% Native American.

00:14:28.000 Solid, solid stuff there.

00:14:30.000 But she's right, because the media do back her play. 0.99

00:14:32.000 No matter what she does, the media will back her play. 1.00

00:14:34.000 And that's obvious from the weekend's media coverage.

00:14:37.000 The media, you know, it's funny.

00:14:39.000 Folks on the left suggest that the people on the right are bitter clingers.

00:14:42.000 We cling to God, and we cling to guns, and we cling to our American status.

00:14:48.000 We cling to our borders, and we cling to our language.

00:14:50.000 We cling to all sorts of terrible things.

00:14:51.000 You remember Barack Obama blamed evil republicanism on being bitter clingers.

00:14:56.000 Elizabeth Warren is bitterly clinging on to this narrative and the media are bitterly clinging on along with her.

00:15:01.000 And then they are clinging on to a bunch of other false narratives that they are putting out.

00:15:04.000 Now, all they have to do, I've said this on CNN, all that the media have to do in order to undermine President Trump is just try to stick to the truth.

00:15:11.000 They can't do it.

00:15:12.000 There's nothing that they can do that will force them to stick the truth.

00:15:17.000 And I have the evidence of this.

00:15:18.000 So over the weekend, there were two separate, two separate major media stories that turned out to be basically false about President Trump.

00:15:26.000 Story number one.

00:15:27.000 Here is an NBC tweet about a rally that President Trump did, I believe, Friday night.

00:15:32.000 It says, watch.

00:15:34.000 President Trump says Robert E. Lee was a great general during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader incredible.

00:15:40.000 Now you think, well, that's bad stuff.

00:15:42.000 You probably shouldn't call a Confederate leader incredible.

00:15:45.000 It is true, by the way, that Robert E. Lee was a good general.

00:15:48.000 I don't think he was a great general, but he was a good general.

00:15:50.000 That doesn't mean that he was a good person or that he believed good things, but that was the headline from NBC News.

00:15:57.000 The headline from NBC News is that Trump said that Robert E. Lee was a great general and called the Confederate leader incredible.

00:16:01.000 Now, here is what President Trump actually said about Robert E. Lee.

00:16:05.000 Here's the clip of President Trump talking.

00:16:07.000 And one day, it was looking really bad.

00:16:12.000 And Lincoln just said, you hardly knew his name.

00:16:17.000 And they said, don't take him, he's got a drinking problem.

00:16:22.000 And Lincoln said, I don't care what problem he has, you guys aren't winning.

00:16:28.000 And his name was Grant, General Grant.

00:16:33.000 And Lincoln said, I don't care if he's an alcoholic, frankly, give me six or seven more just like him.

00:16:41.000 Okay, so there is Trump actually talking about Grant.

00:16:44.000 What he was saying is that Robert E. Lee was a great general who was overcome by Grant.

00:16:49.000 He was not saying that Robert E. Lee was a wonderful, wonderful person standing for wonderful things.

00:16:52.000 So NBC has to actually correct it.

00:16:55.000 So Trump tweets this out.

00:16:55.000 He says, you guys, you got this wrong.

00:16:58.000 He got this wrong.

00:16:59.000 So here's President Trump's tweet.

00:17:17.000 And NBC had to tweet out a correction.

00:17:19.000 They tweeted out a full correction.

00:17:20.000 Correction.

00:17:20.000 An earlier tweet misidentified the general President Trump described as incredible at a rally in Ohio.

00:17:25.000 It was General Ulysses S. Grant, not General Robert E. Lee.

00:17:29.000 An attached video clip lacked the full context for Trump's remark.

00:17:32.000 Here is the full clip.

00:17:33.000 It took NBC News two full days to retract it.

00:17:38.000 Two full days!

00:17:40.000 And that wasn't the only example of ridiculous media bias in the last 48 hours.

00:17:45.000 So CBS tweeted this out about President Trump on 60 Minutes.

00:17:49.000 So last night, President Trump was on 60 Minutes.

00:17:51.000 Here's what they tweeted.

00:17:52.000 They tweeted, Makes it sound like the question was, do you care that you mocked Christine Blasey Ford? 0.80

00:17:58.000 And Trump says, it doesn't matter, we won.

00:18:08.000 Well, there's only one problem.

00:18:10.000 That is clearly not what Trump was saying.

00:18:11.000 Like, clearly not what Trump was saying.

00:18:14.000 Here is President Trump actually talking.

00:18:16.000 We need the actual clip of President Trump talking from 60 minutes.

00:18:21.000 And here he is in context.

00:18:24.000 That is absolutely not what he's saying.

00:18:26.000 Professor Blasey Ford, you mimicked her. 0.89

00:18:29.000 Had I not made that speech, we would not have won.

00:18:32.000 I was just saying she didn't seem to know anything.

00:18:35.000 And you're trying to destroy a life of a man who has been extraordinary.

00:18:40.000 Why did you have to make fun of her? 1.00

00:18:42.000 I didn't really make fun.

00:18:44.000 Well, they were laughing.

00:18:46.000 The person that we're talking about didn't know the year, the time, the place.

00:18:51.000 Professor Blasey Ford got before the Senate and was asked, what's the worst moment?

00:18:56.000 And she said, when the two boys laughed at me, at my expense.

00:19:01.000 And then I watched you mimic her and thousands of people were laughing at her.

00:19:06.000 They can do what they, I will tell you, the way now Justice Kavanaugh was treated,

00:19:13.000 Has become a big factor in the midterms.

00:19:17.000 Have you seen what's gone on with the polls?

00:19:19.000 But did you have to?

00:19:21.000 Well, I think she was treated with great respect.

00:19:23.000 I'll be honest.

00:19:24.000 But do you think you treated her with great respect?

00:19:26.000 Do you think you treated her with great respect?

00:19:28.000 I think so, yeah.

00:19:28.000 I did.

00:19:29.000 But you seem to be saying that she lied.

00:19:33.000 You know what?

00:19:33.000 I'm not going to get into it because we won.

00:19:35.000 It doesn't matter.

00:19:36.000 We won.

00:19:37.000 Okay, so clearly he's not saying, I don't care that you're accusing me of mocking her because we won.

00:19:42.000 He is saying, I'm not going to get into this with you.

00:19:44.000 It's over.

00:19:45.000 We're done.

00:19:46.000 The media covered this as though he was saying that he didn't care that he had mocked her, which is actually not what he said.

00:19:51.000 So he took that out of context too.

00:19:54.000 It's just amazing.

00:19:55.000 It's just amazing.

00:19:56.000 So again, when President Trump slams the so-called fake news, when they actually are participating in fake news, they absolutely 100% deserve it.

00:20:04.000 They absolutely 100% deserve all of it.

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00:21:34.000 Final note.

00:21:34.000 I just have to say this final note on this Elizabeth Warren thing.

00:21:37.000 The left is now trying to gaslight.

00:21:39.000 So they say Elizabeth Warren says that she is Native American.

00:21:42.000 And then we go, well, no, she's not.

00:21:44.000 And then she says, OK, well, here's a DNA test proving that I'm pretty much not Native American.

00:21:49.000 And we go, right, because we said she wasn't.

00:21:51.000 They said, no, no, no.

00:21:52.000 We said pretty much not.

00:21:53.000 Ten generations ago, she had a Native American ancestor.

00:21:55.000 We're like, right, but that's not really Native American.

00:21:58.000 Like, well, you must be a racist because you don't think that she's Native American based on an ancestor ten generations ago.

00:22:04.000 With Colombian DNA.

00:22:07.000 You don't get to do that.

00:22:08.000 And Elizabeth Warren is obviously kicking into high troll mode. 1.00

00:22:13.000 So she actually tweeted out this morning that President Trump has apparently forgotten about his promises to pay her money.

00:22:24.000 It says, having some memory problems, Mr. Trump?

00:22:27.000 Should we call for a doctor?

00:22:28.000 Here's something you won't forget, Mr. President.

00:22:30.000 You're the least popular president in modern history and your allies will go down hard in the midterm elections.

00:22:34.000 22 days.

00:22:35.000 Tick tock.

00:22:37.000 So basically, Michael Avenatti just took over Elizabeth Warren's Twitter feed.

00:22:41.000 Good luck with all of this for the Democrats.

00:22:43.000 Now, with all that said, President Trump was on 60 Minutes last night.

00:22:46.000 He did, overall, I think, a pretty good job because he was dealing with an interviewer in Leslie Stahl, who is wildly anti-Trump, really, really hates Trump, and you can tell from the questions.

00:22:56.000 But it was a pretty, I'd say it was a pretty epic episode of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:23:00.000 So I have been the progenitor, like the actual creator, not ten generations ago, the actual creator of Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:23:07.000 You know, this model that says sometimes the president says good things, and sometimes the president says bad things.

00:23:12.000 And we have a theme song for it.

00:23:13.000 We haven't played it in a while, but today seemed inapt today, so let's play a little Good Trump, Bad Trump.

00:23:19.000 Good Trump, Bad Trump, which one will we get today?

00:23:25.000 Okay, so on the good Trump side, I have to acknowledge that the president did quote tweet me this morning, which was kind of fun.

00:23:31.000 So he watched my final Sunday special on Fox News and he tweeted out,

00:23:43.000 Thank you, Mr. President, I appreciate it.

00:23:44.000 So that's good Trump.

00:23:46.000 Other good Trump, he said some interesting things on 60 Minutes.

00:23:50.000 And when he talked about the Democrats not wanting the country to heal, this obviously was correct.

00:23:54.000 Here's President Trump going after the Democrats.

00:23:57.000 He is not wrong about this, considering that Elizabeth Warren today is doing the, everybody hates you, Mr. Trump, and my Native American ancestry is real, and Hillary's saying no civility for Republicans, and all the rest.

00:24:07.000 Here is President Trump talking about Democrats wanting to divide the country.

00:24:11.000 We need to be healed.

00:24:13.000 I don't think they want to heal yet.

00:24:15.000 I'll be honest.

00:24:16.000 Well, you don't want to heal yet.

00:24:17.000 I saw Hillary Clinton made a really nasty statement. 1.00

00:24:20.000 I don't think they want to be healed.

00:24:22.000 I do want to heal.

00:24:24.000 I agree that the Democrats don't want the country to heal.

00:24:27.000 I'm not sure that President Trump is the most healing president, but we will count this in the category of good Trump.

00:24:32.000 In the category of bad Trump, here is President Trump talking about Saudi Arabia.

00:24:37.000 He has made a couple of comments.

00:24:38.000 What he said on 60 Minutes was not bad.

00:24:40.000 But Saudi Arabia is enmeshed in a massive scandal right now because there's this guy named Jamal Khashoggi.

00:24:46.000 And Jamal Khashoggi was a person who wrote op-eds for The Washington Post.

00:24:52.000 He was a longtime retainer of the Saudi royal family and a critic of the regime.

00:24:56.000 He entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, Turkey on October 2nd, seeking documents relevant to a divorce.

00:25:01.000 The Turkish government claims that they have proof that a Saudi hit squad murdered him inside the consulate, chopped his body up, and then dispatched the remains in a black van to a private plane headed for Saudi Arabia.

00:25:11.000 There's not a lot of doubt that Khashoggi is dead at this point.

00:25:14.000 This has created worldwide consternation against the Saudi government, and in particular,

00:25:18.000 against Prince Mohammed bin Sultan, who's considered the new leader of Saudi Arabia, the new dictator of Saudi Arabia.

00:25:25.000 A few comments are necessary on this to understand what's going on exactly here.

00:25:30.000 Number one, Saudi Arabia is a tyrannical dictatorship led by people who are tyrannical dictators.

00:25:35.000 It's a monarchy. 0.93

00:25:36.000 They chop people's hands off regularly.

00:25:39.000 They imprison dissidents.

00:25:41.000 They are not a human rights friendly country.

00:25:44.000 Mohammed bin Sultan was supposed to be a reformer, but even as a reformer, he's still the dictator of Saudi Arabia.

00:25:49.000 This is not a supremely shocking story on any level other than we know the name of the guy who has disappeared as opposed to presumably many other people whose names we don't know who have been disappeared.

00:25:58.000 Second, the Turkish government has a pretty strong interest in trying to humiliate the Saudis because the Turkish government 0.93

00:26:04.000 has basically been anti-Saudi for years.

00:26:06.000 They're in bed with the Iranian government at this point, and to a certain extent in bed with the Syrian government as well.

00:26:13.000 All of that said, the Turkish government releasing evidence in an attempt to make it look like they are our friends.

00:26:19.000 Erdogan, who's the leader of Turkey, also an Islamist thug who has imprisoned dissidents and killed dissidents too.

00:26:24.000 So, there are no good guys in this part of the world, at least not in leadership positions.

00:26:30.000 In any case,

00:26:31.000 The call for the United States to distance itself from the Saudi Arabian government after all of this, I think is appropriate. 1.00

00:26:37.000 But I think it's also appropriate to note that the outsized consternation with regard to Khashoggi, which when I say outsized, I don't mean that it's inappropriate.

00:26:43.000 It's totally appropriate.

00:26:44.000 But when compared to the amount of consternation over Turkey imprisoning thousands of people, and until a minute ago, imprisoning a U.S.

00:26:52.000 pastor,

00:26:53.000 Or Syria murdering half a million people?

00:26:57.000 Or Iran pursuing terrorism across the region?

00:26:59.000 It is amazing how the human brain has the capacity to hone in on a single incident of evil in a way that it doesn't on literally hundreds of thousands of incidents of evil.

00:27:10.000 But with all of that said, the United States does have to do something if the Saudi Arabian government is calling dissidents back to consulates and then murdering them.

00:27:17.000 That is a bad thing.

00:27:19.000 Here's President Trump on 60 Minutes talking about it.

00:27:21.000 He changed his tune a little bit today.

00:27:24.000 They are ordering military equipment.

00:27:26.000 Everybody in the world wanted that order.

00:27:28.000 Russia wanted it.

00:27:30.000 China wanted it.

00:27:31.000 We wanted it.

00:27:32.000 We got it.

00:27:33.000 So would you cut that off?

00:27:34.000 Well, I'll tell you what I don't want to do.

00:27:37.000 Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, all these companies.

00:27:40.000 I don't want to hurt jobs.

00:27:42.000 I don't want to lose an order like that.

00:27:45.000 There are other ways of punishing, to use a word that's a pretty harsh word, but it's true. 1.00

00:27:52.000 Okay, so, you know, when he says that he wants to maintain certain economic ties, that's not great Trump, right?

00:27:57.000 He needs to actually be exerting pressure on the Saudis for reform. 0.70

00:28:00.000 Now, he has to do that carefully because he also doesn't want to give a lot of leeway and leverage to the Iranians, who are enemies with the Saudi regime and have been fighting a proxy war in Yemen with the Saudis.

00:28:10.000 Again, there are no good guys in this particular area of the world.

00:28:14.000 But with that said,

00:28:16.000 I know, but why do you love that guy?

00:28:48.000 I get along with him, okay?

00:28:49.000 But you said you love him.

00:28:51.000 Okay, that's just a figure of speech.

00:28:53.000 No, it's like an embrace.

00:28:55.000 Well, let it be an embrace.

00:28:56.000 Let it be whatever it is to get the job done.

00:28:58.000 He's a bad guy.

00:28:58.000 Look, let it be whatever it is.

00:29:01.000 I get along with him really well.

00:29:03.000 I have a good energy with him.

00:29:04.000 I have a good chemistry with him.

00:29:06.000 Look at the horrible threats that were made.

00:29:09.000 No more threats.

00:29:11.000 No more threats.

00:29:12.000 So, you know, him talking about Kim that way is not good either.

00:29:16.000 You actually have to demonstrate a strong hand.

00:29:18.000 And President Trump did that early in his presidency with Kim, but he's not really doing that anymore.

00:29:21.000 So there's a lot of good Trump, bad Trump happening with regard to 60 Minutes, but that's who the president is.

00:29:28.000 And it is important to note that his ups and downs are indicative of the man's mind.

00:29:33.000 I mean, that's just who President Trump is.

00:29:35.000 So in just a second,

00:29:36.000 I want to get to the other big story of the weekend, which is these violent clashes happening in Portland and New York between Antifa and the Proud Boys.

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00:31:00.000 There is no Good Hillary. 1.00

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00:32:58.000 All right, so Hillary Clinton is the other side of the good Trump, bad Trump routine. 1.00

00:33:02.000 So President Trump has good Trump and bad Trump.

00:33:04.000 Hillary Clinton just has bad Hillary. 1.00

00:33:06.000 There is no such thing as good Hillary. 0.95

00:33:07.000 So Hillary came out over the weekend and said that Bill Clinton should not have resigned over Monica Lewinsky because he did not abuse his power in any way.

00:33:14.000 I do love that she is considered a hero, a heroine of the feminist movement.

00:33:19.000 Pretty spectacular stuff from the left here.

00:33:20.000 Here is Hillary McClinton.

00:33:22.000 In retrospect, do you think Bill should have resigned in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

00:33:28.000 Absolutely not.

00:33:29.000 It wasn't an abuse of power?

00:33:31.000 No.

00:33:32.000 No.

00:33:32.000 There are people who look at the incidents of the 90s and they say a president of the United States cannot have a consensual relationship with an intern.

00:33:42.000 The power imbalance is too great.

00:33:43.000 He was an adult.

00:33:44.000 But let me ask you this.

00:33:46.000 Where's the investigation of the current incumbent, against whom numerous allegations have been made?

00:33:53.000 So good.

00:33:54.000 So good.

00:33:55.000 So, I love this.

00:33:56.000 Trump should resign because of allegations against him, but her husband shouldn't resign because of allegations against him.

00:34:01.000 Also, he didn't abuse power when he, 49-year-old President of the United States, was being serviced by a 22-year-old intern in the Oval Office.

00:34:08.000 Not an abuse of power in any way.

00:34:09.000 Good to know that power imbalance is no longer a concern for feminists on the left. 1.00

00:34:14.000 Very exciting stuff.

00:34:15.000 Also, Hillary came forth and said President Trump is a sexist. 0.89

00:34:18.000 Of course, the reason that she knows Trump is a sexist is because Trump was mean to her. 0.63

00:34:23.000 If you watched the way Trump debated me, it was just imbued with sexism.

00:34:29.000 Making fun of me for preparing.

00:34:31.000 Well, you know, that's the old, like, oh yeah, the girl in the class who's always prepared.

00:34:35.000 I don't need to be prepared.

00:34:37.000 That really was not what happened at those debates. 1.00

00:34:39.000 What happened is that Trump was as much of a jerk to her as he is to every other human being on the planet, and it didn't play well with her because she's one of the most deeply unlikable human beings on planet Earth. 1.00

00:34:48.000 Just love it. 1.00

00:34:49.000 The Democrats have decided to full-scale embrace the most radical version of themselves.

00:34:54.000 You know, they say in acting that you have to get in touch with your authenticity.

00:34:57.000 The Democrats are certainly getting in touch with their authenticity.

00:34:59.000 The problem is that deep down, Democratic leadership, not particularly charming.

00:35:04.000 Bernie Sanders is another example of this.

00:35:06.000 So Bernie was on Jake Tapper's show on CNN, and Jake Tapper asked him about the inflammatory rhetoric on the part of some folks in the Democratic Party, and Bernie

00:35:15.000 A follower of whose shot up a bunch of Congress people last year came out and said that it's not that bad if people get mobbed in public places.

00:35:24.000 Like, it's amazing that Bernie doesn't feel any necessity to say anything here about this sort of action.

00:35:29.000 You know, listen again, I don't blame Bernie Sanders for that incident last year, because unless you're openly calling for violence, I don't blame you for somebody going and doing violence.

00:35:36.000 But when Bernie Sanders refuses to condemn mobbing in public spaces, he certainly is not making the country a better place.

00:35:45.000 I am very strongly in favor of mobilizing the American people to stand up and fight for economic justice and social justice and racial and environmental justice.

00:35:56.000 And I think we have to mobilize people.

00:35:59.000 I am not a great fan of being rude or disrupting activities.

00:36:03.000 But this is what I will say.

00:36:05.000 This entire 2000 election campaign is going to come down to two words, and that is voter turnout.

00:36:14.000 Okay, so he's not a big fan of people getting rude, but if people get rude, that's sort of the way that it is.

00:36:17.000 And voter turnout, I don't want to dampen the enthusiasm.

00:36:20.000 It just shows how the Democrats are willing to flirt with the mob politics they've been talking about for the last several months, really, since Maxine Waters broke out into the open with it.

00:36:29.000 And they're willing to do so on a regular basis.

00:36:31.000 They're even willing to validate mob violence on a regular basis.

00:36:35.000 Over the weekend, the Washington Times reported that Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler

00:36:38.000 came under fire over a viral video showing Antifa protesters blocking traffic and harassing drivers.

00:36:43.000 But he says he supports the decision by police to watch from a distance without getting involved.

00:36:48.000 He says, I was appalled by what I saw in the video, but I support the Portland Police Bureau's decision not to intervene.

00:36:54.000 The whole incident will be investigated.

00:36:55.000 The video was posted by journalist Andy Nago and it showed protesters, including members of Antifa and Black Lives Matter, blocking an intersection and attempting to direct traffic while officers on motorcycle watched from a block away.

00:37:07.000 At one point,

00:37:08.000 The activists chased down 74-year-old Kent Hauser after he made a right turn against their wishes, pounding on his silver Lexus and breaking a window.

00:37:15.000 The car sustained thousands of dollars in damage, he told The Oregonian.

00:37:18.000 But Mr. Wheeler insists the motorists should feel completely safe coming into downtown Portland.

00:37:23.000 Well, all of this, this lack of law enforcement, this lack of crackdowns on Antifa, it leads to

00:37:28.000 Greater heights of violence when other people who are ready for violence show up in places where Antifa is.

00:37:34.000 Now, here has been my recommendation for a very long time.

00:37:37.000 I speak at a lot of public events where protesters show up.

00:37:40.000 And in some of those events, protesters get violent.

00:37:44.000 I mean, that's happened at Cal State Los Angeles.

00:37:46.000 It happened at Penn State a little bit.

00:37:48.000 It happened, certainly, at Berkeley, where nine people were arrested.

00:37:51.000 My recommendation has always been, because there have been people who have said, well, should I come ready for self-defense?

00:37:56.000 What I've always said is, look,

00:37:58.000 If somebody hits you, then defending yourself is fine, but you should come ready to invoke the powers of the police.

00:38:04.000 You should be ready to go to the police and let law enforcement take care of the problem.

00:38:08.000 We live in a volatile climate enough that you don't have to go around spoiling for a fight.

00:38:12.000 Because if you spoil for a fight, the media is just going to play it as though you were the instigator of the fight in the first place.

00:38:17.000 The reason I bring this up is because over the weekend, there were a couple of violent incidents, one in New York and one in Portland, and it's just not good stuff.

00:38:24.000 It's not good stuff.

00:38:24.000 I'll explain.

00:38:25.000 So,

00:38:26.000 First, Portland.

00:38:27.000 So there was a march called the Patriot Pride, I believe, and it happened in Portland over the weekend.

00:38:37.000 And it got ugly because Antifa showed up and people basically started beating the crap out of each other.

00:38:43.000 Here's a little bit of the brawl.

00:38:57.000 So if you can't see this, you can see people fighting with each other, like really swinging on each other.

00:39:02.000 According to The Oregon Live, a demonstration billed as a march for law and order in the streets of Portland descended into chaos as rival political factions broke into bloody brawls downtown Saturday night.

00:39:11.000 Members of the right-wing group Patriot Player and their black-clad adversaries, known as Antifa, used bear spray, bear fists, and batons to thrash each other outside Kelly's Olympian, a popular bar on Southwest Washington Street.

00:39:23.000 The melee, which lasted more than a minute, ended when riot cops rushed in and fired pepper balls at the street fighters.

00:39:28.000 Now, as I say, what's happening here is that groups like Patriot Prayer, which are being cast as white nationalists, and I'm not seeing strong enough evidence to say that this is a white nationalist group.

00:39:40.000 In any case, and this is coming from a guy who's happy to say when I think people are white nationalists, right?

00:39:45.000 I did two episodes after Charlottesville talking about white nationalism and the evils of the alt-right.

00:39:50.000 Patriot Prayer was doing a march in Portland specifically because they wanted to show that Antifa was violent.

00:39:54.000 Antifa showed up, and it looked like Antifa instigated violence, and the folks at Patriot Prayer then got into it with them, including some of the Proud Boys from Gavin McInnes' group, and it got violent.

00:40:05.000 Now, as I say, I think it is perfectly worthwhile to publicly march against violence.

00:40:10.000 And I think it's okay to defend yourself, too.

00:40:12.000 But there's a difference between being willing to defend yourself and spoiling for a fight to the point where you are looking to beat the living crap out of somebody because, number one, you shouldn't be looking to beat the living crap out of people in aggressive fashion.

00:40:23.000 Like, once the guy's down, the guy's down.

00:40:24.000 Now it's time for law enforcement to come in.

00:40:26.000 And number two, it is perfectly obvious that the media are going to play this as though it is right-wing groups instigating violence, as opposed to Antifa, which has been violent every single place it goes, instigating violence.

00:40:37.000 Here's a little bit more video from that brawl in Portland.

00:40:42.000 It's a little hard to see, but you can see folks are marching.

00:40:45.000 And then, it's about to break down into violence.

00:40:48.000 You can see in the front people hitting each other, swinging on each other.

00:40:52.000 People shouting at each other.

00:40:53.000 Okay, and then there was also a separate brawl in New York.

00:40:56.000 So, in New York, there was an event at the New York Metropolitan Club.

00:41:00.000 That club had been defaced by, allegedly, Antifa, over the past couple of days.

00:41:06.000 And there was an event for Gavin McInnes, who's the leader of the Proud Boys.

00:41:08.000 Now, again, the media have labeled the Proud Boys a white nationalist group.

00:41:11.000 They're members of the Proud Boys who are white nationalists.

00:41:15.000 Gavin is not a white nationalist.

00:41:17.000 I know Gavin.

00:41:18.000 Gavin is not a white nationalist.

00:41:20.000 Gavin, I think, needs to be more strict about who he involves as his friends, but to suggest that Gavin is a white nationalist ignores any part of his rhetoric.

00:41:28.000 That's just not accurate.

00:41:30.000 Now, with that said,

00:41:32.000 Do the Proud Boys spoil for a fight?

00:41:35.000 Yeah, they do.

00:41:35.000 And you can see that in this particular video in New York.

00:41:38.000 Now, Antifa's claiming that the Proud Boys instigated the violence.

00:41:41.000 The Proud Boys are claiming that Antifa instigated the violence.

00:41:43.000 Apparently, after the event, they walked out, there were some Antifa members, somehow the violence gets instigated and you end up with basically 20 members of the Proud Boys kicking the living crap out of three members of Antifa.

00:42:04.000 And they won't get off these guys. 0.95

00:42:06.000 They're kicking them.

00:42:06.000 And then eventually, you'll see some members of sort of the surrounding crowd actually pulling people off of these guys because they don't want them, you know, getting arrested or killing somebody on the streets.

00:42:17.000 Brawls fought in public streets. 0.81

00:42:19.000 This is not civilization.

00:42:20.000 It's not civilization.

00:42:22.000 And if the police won't do their jobs, it's going to get worse and worse.

00:42:24.000 And if mayors aren't going to do their jobs, it's going to get worse and worse.

00:42:27.000 New York Governor Andrew Cuomo called on the FBI to investigate violent clashes connected to the Proud Boys, and he blamed President Trump for the hatred and violence he tied to the altercations.

00:42:36.000 This is a state issue.

00:42:36.000 This is not a federal issue.

00:42:38.000 Hey, the state and city should investigate every one of these incidents and the people who instigate violence should go to jail.

00:42:43.000 If the city was doing that in the first place, these brawls would not be breaking out.

00:42:47.000 We've seen them now in Sacramento.

00:42:48.000 We've seen them a couple of times in Portland.

00:42:50.000 We've seen them in Berkeley.

00:42:51.000 We've seen them now in New York City.

00:42:52.000 This is all ugly stuff.

00:42:54.000 Yes, be ready to defend yourself.

00:42:56.000 Don't go to events that are spoiling for a fight.

00:42:58.000 Be there in coordination with the police.

00:42:59.000 If you're on the side of law enforcement, you're doing something right.

00:43:02.000 And if the left refuses to allow law enforcement to do its job, this sort of stuff is going to become more and more prevalent.

00:43:08.000 And it's horrible for the country.

00:43:09.000 Truly, truly awful for the country.

00:43:11.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I like.

00:43:15.000 So things that I like today.

00:43:16.000 I was reading a couple of books over the weekend.

00:43:18.000 The first was from a guy named Ray Connolly.

00:43:20.000 So I went and visited Graceland and I realized I didn't know very much about Elvis.

00:43:23.000 So I did what I always do.

00:43:25.000 I went and I got a book on it.

00:43:26.000 So there's a really good book called Being Elvis, A Lonely Life by Ray Connolly.

00:43:30.000 And the book is fun and well-written and interesting.

00:43:32.000 If you're a fan of Elvis's music, then it's a kick.

00:43:35.000 So go check that out.

00:43:37.000 Ray Connolly's Being Elvis, A Lonely Life.

00:43:39.000 Really, it's an enjoyable read and I've been getting a kick out of it as well.

00:43:42.000 Elvis's music.

00:43:44.000 He's really, he's got an underrated voice, Elvis.

00:43:46.000 And the more you listen to him, the more you realize that Elvis actually could sing.

00:43:49.000 Particularly his ballads.

00:43:51.000 Right, Love Me Tender is a really well sung song.

00:43:54.000 And the funny thing about Love Me Tender, right, which you made really popular, is that it is a 100-year-old Confederate ballot, I believe, from like the 1860s, 1850s, 1860s, redone, rearranged for a movie that he made, his first movie.

00:44:08.000 In any case, you can go check that out.

00:44:10.000 Okay, other things that I like this week.

00:44:11.000 So, Michael Savage, who's a radio talk show host, and I disagree with Michael on a lot of things.

00:44:17.000 If you want a window into sort of the Trump movement, you know, the folks on the left who want a window into the Trump movement,

00:44:22.000 They ought to check out Michael's books because Michael has been preaching a lot of the same sort of themes, some of which I agree with, some of which I disagree with, that Trump has been on for a long time.

00:44:32.000 There's a reason that Trump and Savage were close during the last election cycle.

00:44:35.000 He has a new book out called Stop Mass Hysteria, America's Insanity from the Salem Witch Trouse to the Trump Witch Hunt about the left targeting Trump. 0.72

00:44:42.000 The left acts like they don't have a window into the mind of Trump people, like the Trump people are all crazy and that they don't have anybody articulating their viewpoint.

00:44:49.000 Savage is a pretty good articulator of that viewpoint.

00:44:51.000 So if folks want to know what a lot of the Trump base is thinking, Michael has a good beat on it.

00:44:57.000 Go check out Stop Mass Hysteria.

00:44:59.000 That's Michael's new book.

00:45:00.000 Again, don't agree with everything in the book, but I like windows into ideas, and Michael provides that for sure.

00:45:05.000 Okay, other things that I like.

00:45:07.000 So Bill Maher gets some credit today.

00:45:08.000 He was on his show, and this is what I wish we had talked about when Maher had me on, was the evils of political

00:45:14.000 80% of Americans see political correctness as a problem.

00:45:16.000 And I think it's our problem.

00:45:17.000 And I don't know why more mainstream liberals don't denounce the political correctness that they must know in private conversations is insane.

00:45:43.000 Okay, and he's exactly right about all of this, of course.

00:45:45.000 So good for Bill Maher.

00:45:46.000 We give credit when it is due around here.

00:45:47.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate. 0.99

00:45:53.000 So Israel has taken a policy that I think is very, very foolish. 0.89

00:45:56.000 There's a policy where basically Israel has barred unhinged people from traveling to study in Israel. 0.85

00:46:04.000 So there's this woman whose name is Lara Alkasam.

00:46:07.000 She's 22.

00:46:08.000 She's an American student of Palestinian descent.

00:46:11.000 She arrived in Israel with an Israeli-issued visa to study in a master's program at Hebrew U. She never made it out of the airport.

00:46:18.000 Israeli security officials detained her because of her past membership in Students for Justice in Palestine, which is indeed an anti-Semitic, anti-Israel group.

00:46:25.000 They support BDS, a boycott, divestment, and sanctions policy toward the Jewish state.

00:46:30.000 And now she's facing a deportation hearing. 0.89

00:46:33.000 This is bad politics, and it is anti-First Amendment principles.

00:46:36.000 Now, my view is this.

00:46:38.000 The State of Israel does not have to give citizenship to anybody who wants to undermine the State of Israel, just as the United States does not have to give citizenship to anybody who wants to undermine the United States of America.

00:46:49.000 As a general rule, bringing in people to study in your country, as long as they are paying their own way and it's not taking public dollars, I don't think we should be subsidizing that in the United States.

00:46:58.000 But if somebody comes here and they are a socialist, for example, and they want to study in an engineering program here and they want to pay their own way, I don't see a big problem with that.

00:47:06.000 And I think that it would be a mistake for the United States to bar people based on political viewpoint, except when it comes to actually becoming citizens and integrating into the society.

00:47:15.000 So Israel has no need to grant citizenship to this woman, al-Qassam.

00:47:19.000 They've been doing this for a few months and I don't think it's smart.

00:47:22.000 In April, Catherine Frank, this Barry Weiss and Brett Stevens reporting at the New York Times, a professor at Columbia, was interrogated and then deported from Israel on charges of being a leader of Jewish Voice for Peace, which is another organization that endorses BDS.

00:47:36.000 In August, Simone Zimmerman, an American Jewish activist who lives in Israel and is a founder, if not now, which is a group that is also pro-BDS,

00:47:44.000 was held at the Israeli border for more than three hours and quizzed on her political views. 0.96

00:47:47.000 Peter Beinart, who is an absolute schmuck of a human being, but he is a left-wing Zionist, supposedly. 0.98

00:47:53.000 He's also quasi-pro-BDS. 0.98

00:47:55.000 He was on his way to his niece's bat mitzvah in Israel, and he was detained and questioned. 0.97

00:47:59.000 This is foolish for people who are just visiting.

00:48:01.000 If you think they're an actual security threat, like a real security threat, like they're raising money against Israel, then you have every right to ban them. 0.95

00:48:09.000 But if they're just there and they're left-wing,

00:48:11.000 Let them in, have them leave when their visa expires, and that's that.

00:48:15.000 This is bad policy.

00:48:16.000 I feel the same way about Israel as I do about the United States. 0.98

00:48:18.000 On free speech basis, this seems counterproductive and foolish.

00:48:23.000 I agree with Brett and Barry when they say Israel, like all countries, has a right to protect its borders and to determine who is allowed in and out.

00:48:29.000 But Israel is also a state that prides itself on being a liberal democracy, a fact that goes far to explain the longstanding support for Israel among American Jews and non-Jews alike.

00:48:37.000 If liberalism is about anything, it's about deep tolerance for opinions we find foolish, dangerous, and antithetical to our own.

00:48:43.000 So detaining folks is not a worthwhile goal.

00:48:47.000 I think this is right, but you don't have to give citizenship to anybody, nor do you have to give public benefits to anybody.

00:48:51.000 And that's where I would draw the line, where I, Israel, I feel the exact same way about the United States.

00:48:56.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:48:57.000 So speaking of media bias, insane piece in the New York Times over the weekend talking about Jared Kushner and his taxes.

00:49:02.000 So,

00:49:03.000 Ever since Nikki Haley suggested that Jared Kushner is a smart guy, the media have decided that they are on the warpath for Kushner.

00:49:09.000 They have two separate lines of attack over the past several days.

00:49:12.000 Line of attack number one, Jared Kushner is close with the MBS Mohammed bin Sultan, the Saudi prince responsible allegedly for the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, who is that Saudi dissident.

00:49:23.000 So, Jared is close with the Saudi government, therefore it's Jared's fault the Saudi government did something bad.

00:49:27.000 I'd like to see that logic applied to every American president for the last 60 years.

00:49:32.000 I'd like to see that logic applied, because that logic simply does not hold.

00:49:35.000 If anybody has an alternative in Saudi Arabia we can get behind, I am happy to hear it. 0.99

00:49:39.000 Otherwise, Jared Kushner working with Mohammed bin Sultan, before he knew about a murder,

00:49:46.000 Seems to me not a terrible idea considering that Mohammed... It's worth noting here that Mohammed bin Sultan has been militantly opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood and also opposed to the Iranians, meaning we have global interests in the Saudi government.

00:49:59.000 We have actual interests in the Saudi government.

00:50:02.000 That doesn't mean that we can't smack them when they do something wrong, as we should. 0.99

00:50:05.000 But to blame Jared Kushner for this is just ridiculous and silly. 0.97

00:50:08.000 The other line of attack is that Jared didn't pay his taxes. 0.94

00:50:10.000 So according to the New York Times, over the past decade, Jared Kushner's family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate.

00:50:16.000 His personal stock investments have soared.

00:50:18.000 His net worth has quintupled to almost $324 million.

00:50:21.000 And yet, for several years running, Mr. Kushner appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes, according to confidential financial documents reviewed by the New York Times.

00:50:29.000 His low tax bills are the result of a common tax-minimizing maneuver that, year after year, generated millions of dollars in losses for Mr. Kushner.

00:50:36.000 But the losses were only on paper, because his company didn't actually appear to lose money.

00:50:40.000 The losses were driven by depreciation, which is a tax benefit that lets real estate investors deduct a portion of the cost of their buildings from their taxable income every year.

00:50:49.000 In 2015, for example, Kushner took home $1.7 million in salary and investment gains, but those earnings were swamped by $8.3 million of losses, largely because of significant depreciation Kushner and his company took on their real estate.

00:51:02.000 So here's the question.

00:51:03.000 Did he break the law?

00:51:04.000 Here's the New York Times.

00:51:05.000 Nothing in the document suggests Mr. Kushner or his company broke the law.

00:51:09.000 So why is this an article?

00:51:11.000 So the article is, Jared Kushner paid his taxes, but he didn't actually owe taxes, so he didn't pay taxes.

00:51:18.000 How exactly is that an attack?

00:51:21.000 It's cynical.

00:51:22.000 I mean, really, that's cynical stuff.

00:51:23.000 If you don't like the tax code, argue against the tax code.

00:51:25.000 But don't blame people for abiding by the actual law of the land in the United States.

00:51:29.000 Okay, time for a quick Federalist paper and then we'll be out of here.

00:51:32.000 So, we're all the way up to Federalist 47 written by James Madison.

00:51:37.000 And this one is really fascinating because it talks about the original concept of separation of powers.

00:51:42.000 Madison says that tyranny is a failure of the separation of powers.

00:51:45.000 He says, quote,

00:51:46.000 The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary in the same hand, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

00:51:57.000 In other words, if you have a branch that has irrigated to itself judicial power, executive power, and legislative power, that would be a tyranny.

00:52:04.000 He says that if the Constitution were really chargeable with the accumulation of that sort of power, that no further arguments would be necessary to inspire a universal reprobation of the system.

00:52:14.000 He does say, listen, there are parts where the executive does legislative stuff, and parts where the legislative does executive stuff, and parts where the judiciary does legislative stuff, but if they

00:52:25.000 Arrogate extensive and exclusive power of one of the other branches, that is tyranny.

00:52:29.000 So he quotes Montesquieu, the French philosopher Montesquieu, who was the progenitor of this idea of checks and balances.

00:52:35.000 He says,

00:52:43.000 We're good to go!

00:53:02.000 Montesquieu objected to the merger of the executive and the legislative.

00:53:05.000 So here is a quote from Montesquieu.

00:53:06.000 When the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person or body, there can be no liberty, because the apprehensions may arise, lest the same monarch or senate should enact tyrannical laws to execute them in a tyrannical manner.

00:53:18.000 He said, were the power of judging joined with the legislative, the life and liberty of the subject would be exposed to arbitrary control.

00:53:24.000 For the judge would then be the legislator.

00:53:26.000 Were it joined to the executive power, the judge might behave with all the violence of an oppressor.

00:53:31.000 So the argument right now in the United States is whether this is what's actually happened with the executive branch.

00:53:36.000 The executive branch basically legislates.

00:53:38.000 Not basically, they do.

00:53:39.000 The regulatory power of the executive branch is legislative power.

00:53:42.000 Now, you can argue that's not the whole legislative power, because Congress can trump that.

00:53:46.000 But Congress has failed to trump that.

00:53:48.000 If you actually would like to see a check and balance again, Congress has to take back some of that power.

00:53:53.000 Congress is doing some of that.

00:53:55.000 Under President Trump, they were involved in a legislative move where they basically were knocking down regulations at a pretty rapid rate.

00:54:01.000 That's good and necessary.

00:54:03.000 The executive power has also gained the judiciary power.

00:54:05.000 You have administrative agencies with their own hearings boards.

00:54:08.000 This is one of the reasons why there's been a lot of focus on a case called Chevron.

00:54:12.000 Chevron is a Supreme Court case in which the Supreme Court suggested the judiciary has to grant administrative deference to administrative agencies.

00:54:19.000 So you have a case in front of the EPA.

00:54:21.000 You go to the EPA board.

00:54:22.000 The EPA administrative board gives you a judicial decision.

00:54:25.000 The question is whether the judiciary can trump that decision.

00:54:28.000 Chevron says, in many cases, no.

00:54:30.000 That's why Chevron is wrong.

00:54:31.000 It's why Justice Gorsuch has opposed Chevron.

00:54:34.000 It's why Justice Kavanaugh opposes Chevron.

00:54:37.000 Chevron should be struck down just for these checks and balances to be restored.

00:54:41.000 Irrigation of too much power in one branch is the essence of tyranny that remains as true today as when the Constitution was written.

00:54:47.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all of the latest, presumably including full stories of Elizabeth Warren's time with the Native American tribes riding the crab-ridden plains of Oklahoma.

00:54:57.000 We'll have all of it for you tomorrow.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 15, 2018

The Real Bitter Clingers | Ep. 638

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