The Ben Shapiro Show - The Real Reason Children Died In Uvalde | Ep. 1504

00:00:00.000 New shocking details emerge in the timeline of the Evaldi school massacre, and those details entirely upend left's favorite talking points.

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00:00:22.000 There's a lot of talk every time there is a horrible mass shooting, a school shooting particularly, about the kinds of laws that need to be on the books.

00:00:30.000 The kind of protocols that need to be adopted.

00:00:33.000 The kind of black letter things that can be done to change the circumstances in which we live.

00:00:38.000 There's only one problem with all this.

00:00:40.000 When it comes down to it, the law is only implemented by human behavior.

00:00:44.000 And so we have a bunch of laws on the books all the time that are violated in every one of these shootings, ranging from pure homicide laws to usually gun laws that are violated in the course of conduct.

00:00:53.000 In this particular case, there is nothing in the state of Texas that allows a person under the age of 21 to, for example, carry a concealed handgun.

00:00:59.000 You're not allowed to walk onto school premises with a gun.

00:01:02.000 These are things that the shooter just did not care about and walked onto school premises and started murdering children.

00:01:08.000 All of this sort of stuff happens all the time.

00:01:10.000 And this is also true with regard to, for example, the Buffalo shooting.

00:01:12.000 The Buffalo shooting?

00:01:13.000 There are plenty of red flags.

00:01:15.000 Nobody ever filed for an executive restraining order.

00:01:19.000 No one ever filed for an ERPO, a restraining protective order, that would have prevented this person from being able to purchase guns despite a long and lengthy history of mental issues.

00:01:30.000 Violent mental issues.

00:01:31.000 So when the laws are on the books, but then they don't actually properly get enforced, this becomes a question of human behavior.

00:01:36.000 And this is particularly true when it comes to police procedure.

00:01:38.000 We've seen over and over again, whether it is Parkland or whether as it now turns out it is Uvalde, that the police in these cases, whether it is failures of training or failures of courage, have not done their job to protect innocent people.

00:01:50.000 We saw this when it came to Parkland, most prominently, when it turned out that Scott Israel, the sheriff in Parkland, was completely incapable of either training his officers or getting his officers to go in and do what they had to do in order to stop the Parkland shooter.

00:02:03.000 And then he sat by, grinning, as various members of the media and some of the schoolchildren themselves attacked politicians for broad-scale gun laws.

00:02:13.000 Dana Lash was attacked on CNN as sort of the progenitor of the Parkland attack.

00:02:17.000 Meanwhile, Scott Israel, who is really responsible for the failures of security that led to the Parkland shooting and to the terrible response of the Parkland PD, he was sitting there basically grinning it away on national TV.

00:02:29.000 And we see this over and over and over again.

00:02:31.000 There's a great irony to the fact that the left's attitude toward the police generally is incredibly skeptical.

00:02:36.000 The idea is that the police are the repressive arm of the state.

00:02:39.000 The police are systemically racist.

00:02:41.000 The police are bad guys.

00:02:42.000 But then when it comes to situations like this, we're not allowed to discuss whether the police actually did their jobs.

00:02:48.000 This is a bizarre circumstance.

00:02:49.000 So yesterday, for example, the White House was specifically asked about the behavior of the police in Uvalde.

00:02:54.000 And as we will discuss in just one moment, it now appears that there was basically no protection at the school, that the police did not do their jobs, the police set up a perimeter, the police did not intervene to stop the murder of these children for at least 40 minutes.

00:03:07.000 And the White House, when asked about it, they said, we're not calling for an investigation.

00:03:09.000 So every time a black person is shot under Conflicting circumstances.

00:03:15.000 The White House calls for an investigation and seeks the DOJ and the police department.

00:03:18.000 But when the police department completely fails to prevent a mass shooter going into murdering 19 school children, then the White House is like, well, we don't need an investigation.

00:03:25.000 You know, we're going to wait for the facts.

00:03:26.000 It's kind of incredible how this works.

00:03:29.000 Does the president believe that there should be an investigation into the police response to this school shooting?

00:03:35.000 The president, we've been watching the reporting on this.

00:03:40.000 The president has the utmost respect, as you all know, for the men and women of law enforcement.

00:03:47.000 And it is incredible how, if this had been a case in which a police officer was in a dispute with a person who grabbed for his gun and he shot the person, that person happened to be black and the police officer was white, you get the White House talking about how every one of these circumstances has to be investigated, we know that there's a problem of systemic racism in policing, they find the tape disturbing, and all the rest of it.

00:04:04.000 But when you actually have a case where everyone should be disturbed at the behavior of the local police department, then the White House is like, no, no, no, we have the utmost respect for the police.

00:04:12.000 It's kind of incredible.

00:04:13.000 And the reason for that is very obvious.

00:04:15.000 The White House wants to talk about broad scale gun control.

00:04:17.000 They don't actually want to talk about the things that would prevent or minimize the problem of school shootings.

00:04:22.000 They do not actually want to do that because we all know what those solutions actually are.

00:04:26.000 The solutions are things like locked doors, single points of entry, but multiple exits.

00:04:31.000 Armed security guards who actually know what they are doing on premises.

00:04:34.000 The police department being able to respond quickly and effectively to school shooters.

00:04:38.000 Those are the things that actually stop school shooters.

00:04:41.000 Any of these proposed background checks for private sales of guns?

00:04:46.000 That's not what's going to do it.

00:04:48.000 What's not going to do it is a ban on 18-year-olds buying rifles.

00:04:51.000 That is not going to stop school shootings.

00:04:54.000 What is going to stop or minimize the damage from school shootings is all of the stuff that we know will do that because these are the security measures that we take at every federal building.

00:05:01.000 These are security measures that we take at every bank.

00:05:03.000 These are the security measures we take at every airport.

00:05:06.000 But apparently they're not good enough for our school kids because we have to make political hay. 0.76

00:05:09.000 Because here are the new details, and they're just unbelievably disturbing, according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:05:14.000 Local residents voiced anger on Thursday about the time it took to end the mass shooting at an elementary school here, as police laid out a fresh timeline that showed the gunman entered the building unobstructed after lingering outside for 12 minutes firing shots.

00:05:25.000 You remember, yesterday when we talked about this, the best information available from the Uvalde Police Department was that there had been a person at the school who was armed and got into a gun battle with the shooter, who then took refuge in the building, ran into the building.

00:05:39.000 And that was after several police officers had driven up and started firing on this person, and then he went into the building.

00:05:44.000 Now we are finding out there was no school resource officer there.

00:05:47.000 There was no armed guard there, essentially.

00:05:50.000 Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, gave a new timeline of how the now-deceased gunman barricaded himself in a classroom and killed 19 children and two teachers.

00:06:00.000 According to Victor Escalante, he says that the shooter was not confronted by armed security when he arrived at the school.

00:06:06.000 He bust through a fence, and he climbed apparently like an eight-foot chain-link fence.

00:06:10.000 He jumped the fence, and then he basically hung outside the school for 12 minutes, engaging with officers as they arrived, and then he went inside the school.

00:06:17.000 Here is the Texas Police Regional Director who is talking about what exactly the shooter experienced when he arrived.

00:06:24.000 It was reported that a school district police officer confronted The suspect was making entry.

00:06:32.000 Not accurate.

00:06:33.000 He walked in unobstructed, initially.

00:06:36.000 So from the grandmother's house, to the garbage, to the school, into the school, he was not confronted by anybody. 0.81

00:06:46.000 To clear the record on that.

00:06:48.000 Four minutes later, law enforcement are coming in to solve this problem.

00:06:55.000 Okay, so you have now the police department itself saying he went completely unobstructed into the school.

00:07:01.000 Completely unobstructed into the school.

00:07:03.000 As we'll see, Democrats have been lying and claiming that this is just proof the situation that an armed guard wouldn't do anything.

00:07:09.000 No, this is actually proof of the opposite.

00:07:10.000 That when you have no armed guard, it makes it very, very easy for evil people to do really evil things.

00:07:15.000 Especially in a case where we now know that he shot his grandmother.

00:07:17.000 The grandmother then called the police on him.

00:07:19.000 She's still in critical condition.

00:07:20.000 And then he went to a funeral home and he started shooting at people there.

00:07:23.000 And then he went to the school.

00:07:25.000 So you think that an armed guard wouldn't have done anything right there?

00:07:28.000 That locking the back door wouldn't have done anything?

00:07:30.000 Like, basic, simple things that would have actually stopped something like this were not done.

00:07:36.000 It gets worse.

00:07:37.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Mr. Escalon said he couldn't say why no one stopped the shooter from entering the school during that time on Tuesday.

00:07:43.000 Most of the shots that the shooter fired came during the first several minutes after he entered the school, according to Escalon.

00:07:50.000 People who arrived at the school while the shooter locked himself in a classroom or saw videos of police waiting outside were furious.

00:07:55.000 The police were doing nothing, said Anjali Rose Gomez, who after learning about the shooting drove 40 miles to Robb Elementary, where her children are in second and third grade.

00:08:01.000 They were just standing outside the fence.

00:08:02.000 They weren't going in there.

00:08:03.000 They weren't running anywhere.

00:08:05.000 Escalon said the officers inside the school were evacuating students and school employees from the premises, as well as calling for backup.

00:08:11.000 There's a lot going on, he said.

00:08:13.000 Department of Public Safety officials had previously said an armed school officer confronted the shooter as he arrived at the school.

00:08:20.000 Escalon said that information was incorrect.

00:08:22.000 There was not an officer readily available and armed.

00:08:26.000 Again, here is the timeline.

00:08:27.000 The shooter shot his grandmother on Tuesday morning and then drove her truck to Robb Elementary, crashing the vehicle into a ditch nearby at 11.28 a.m., according to a timeline laid out by Escalon.

00:08:36.000 He then began shooting at people at a funeral home across the street, prompting a 911 call reporting a gunman at the school at 11.30.

00:08:42.000 Then the shooter climbed a chain link fence about eight feet high onto the school grounds and began firing before walking inside unimpeded at 11.40.

00:08:49.000 So, just to get this straight, he crashed his vehicle at 11.28.

00:08:53.000 He did not walk inside to the school until 11.40.

00:08:56.000 At no point was there anyone shooting at him here.

00:08:58.000 In fact, the first shots fired at him came 11.44, which is fully 16 minutes after he had crashed his vehicle into a ditch, and fully 14 minutes after he had started shooting at people at this funeral home across the street, prompting that 911 call.

00:09:11.000 The first police arrived on the scene at 11.44 and exchanged gunfire with the shooter, who locked himself in a fourth grade classroom.

00:09:16.000 There, he killed the students and teachers.

00:09:19.000 It took an hour for a Border Patrol tactical team to go into the school.

00:09:23.000 12.40 p.m.

00:09:25.000 An hour.

00:09:27.000 Kaitlin Martinez, a fourth grader at Robb Elementary, was playing with other kids during recess when the shooter first appeared on school grounds with the AR-15 style rifle.

00:09:34.000 Quote, we all ran in and they told us to sit down and they turned off the lights and locked the door, the 10-year-old said. Kaitlin said three police officers eventually came to the door of a room, which was near the one in which the shooter locked himself.

00:09:44.000 They told us there was a gunman, so we had to evacuate.

00:09:46.000 We all had to run to our parking spaces.

00:09:47.000 Outside, she found her mother, Gladys Castilian, who had been pleading with the police to act more aggressively to end the standoff as she waited.

00:09:55.000 Ms.

00:09:55.000 Gomez, a farm supervisor, was also waiting outside for her children.

00:09:58.000 She said she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging, first politely and then with more urgency, police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner.

00:10:05.000 After a few minutes, she said, U.S.

00:10:06.000 Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.

00:10:12.000 So she is a mom.

00:10:13.000 Her kids are inside the school.

00:10:14.000 She's shouting at the cops to go in and do something.

00:10:16.000 And they have set up a perimeter and they are just sitting around out there for an hour, for a full hour after this piece of human debris entered the school and began shooting children.

00:10:24.000 Gomez said she convinced local Uvalde police officers, whom she knew, to persuade the marshals to set her free.

00:10:29.000 A spokesman for the U.S.

00:10:30.000 Marshals Service said deputy marshals never placed anyone in handcuffs while securing Robb Elementary's perimeter.

00:10:35.000 Our deputy marshals maintained order and peace in the midst of the grief-stricken community that was gathered around the school, he said.

00:10:39.000 Gomez described the scene as frantic.

00:10:42.000 She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper sprayed.

00:10:46.000 Once freed from her cuffs, Ms.

00:10:48.000 Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence herself, and ran inside to grab her two kids. 1.00

00:10:53.000 She sprinted out of the school with them.

00:10:56.000 So does this sound like a case where everything that could have been done was done by the local PD?

00:11:01.000 So this is either a failure of training, or this is cowardice.

00:11:04.000 Or both.

00:11:05.000 That is all this is.

00:11:06.000 And listen, I understand the challenge is that there is no one who is more pro-police than I am.

00:11:11.000 That person does not exist in the United States.

00:11:14.000 But if you sign up for this job and there is a human piece of debris who is trying to enter an elementary school to murder kids, you go in.

00:11:23.000 That is what you signed up to do.

00:11:25.000 This is why you took the job.

00:11:28.000 As it turns out, again, the police really botched this one, as far as we are aware.

00:11:32.000 And it took police officers just going in on their own to stop this thing, to actually stop it.

00:11:36.000 We'll get to that in just one minute.

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00:12:46.000 According to a Texas police spokesman and Lieutenant Christopher Olivares, he says that the border police, the cops who went in, he said they went in on their own.

00:12:54.000 He said that they weren't told to go in. 0.97

00:12:56.000 Eventually, they said enough of this crap and they went in. 0.94

00:13:00.000 We do know, Vanessa, right now that there was some police officers, families trying to get their children out of the school because it was an active shooter situation right now. 0.96

00:13:07.000 It's a terrible situation right now.

00:13:09.000 And of course, just as we mentioned, the loss of life, it's just terrible.

00:13:12.000 It's a terrible tragedy right now that took place.

00:13:14.000 But again, we got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met this suspect.

00:13:20.000 And of course, we know that they were met with gunfire.

00:13:22.000 Some of them were shot.

00:13:23.000 But at the end of this, the suspect was shot and is now deceased.

00:13:26.000 The threat is now neutralized.

00:13:28.000 Okay, well, for his part, Escalon, the police regional director, he had no answers for any tough questions yesterday.

00:13:36.000 So he's asked some of these tough questions at this press conference, and he had nothing, had nothing to say.

00:13:40.000 You guys have said that he was barricaded.

00:13:44.000 Can you explain to us how he was barricaded and why you guys cannot breach that door?

00:13:49.000 So, I am taking all your questions into consideration.

00:13:52.000 We will be doing updates.

00:13:53.000 We will be doing updates to answer those questions.

00:13:55.000 You should be able to answer that question now, sir.

00:13:57.000 We will circle back with you.

00:13:58.000 We want to answer all your questions.

00:14:00.000 We want to give you the why.

00:14:02.000 That's our job.

00:14:03.000 So give us time.

00:14:04.000 I'm taking all your questions.

00:14:05.000 I'm taking them back to talk to the team.

00:14:07.000 Can you tell us how the door was barricaded?

00:14:08.000 Look, thank you for being here.

00:14:10.000 We'll talk soon.

00:14:11.000 We'll talk soon.

00:14:15.000 An even worse clip for Lt.

00:14:17.000 Olivares.

00:14:17.000 He appeared last night on National TV, where he openly said, he's on CNN, that the reason that the cops didn't go in is they were afraid they were going to be shot.

00:14:25.000 Which, I understand. 0.99

00:14:27.000 Also, there are a bunch of 4th graders in there that this garbage human being is shooting in the head. 0.99

00:14:34.000 So, at that point, you know, he's a big tough guy, he knows how to use guns, what are you doing? 0.98

00:14:41.000 Officers are making entry into this building.

00:14:44.000 They do not know where the gunman is.

00:14:46.000 They are hearing gunshots.

00:14:47.000 They are receiving gunshots.

00:14:50.000 At that point, if they proceeded any further not knowing where this suspect was at, they could have been shot.

00:14:56.000 They could have been killed.

00:14:57.000 And at that point, that gunman would have had the opportunity to kill other people inside that school.

00:15:01.000 So they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings.

00:15:11.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Bob Estrada lives directly across the street from the school, which his grandson attends.

00:15:16.000 The 77-year-old said he and his wife walked outside when they heard gunshots and were confused why the police who arrived didn't immediately enter.

00:15:21.000 They're trying to cover something up, he said of the information released Thursday.

00:15:24.000 I think the cops were waiting for backup because they didn't want to go into the school.

00:15:27.000 The Evaldi Police Department couldn't be reached for comment.

00:15:29.000 Now, I was talking to some former police officers, and what they said is that the old protocol before things like Sandy Hook and Parkland was that this is what the cops would do.

00:15:36.000 They would show up, they would create a perimeter, and then they would wait for SWAT to show up to root out the person who is committing the crime.

00:15:44.000 But that's changed since Sandy Hook, since Parkland.

00:15:46.000 Now, most police departments are trained.

00:15:48.000 You go in.

00:15:49.000 You do not wait around to see if the experts are going to show up to handle the thing because you don't have time.

00:15:56.000 Virtually all of the damage is going to be done in the first few minutes of confrontation between the shooter and the innocent victims.

00:16:03.000 Again, Escalon was asked why the police didn't respond for 12 minutes.

00:16:07.000 He said, our job is to report the facts and have answers and we're not there yet.

00:16:10.000 Escalon also said the cops are not sure how the shooter was able to enter the school building.

00:16:13.000 He said, we'll find out more about why it was unlocked or maybe it was locked, but right now it appears it was unlocked.

00:16:18.000 This person went in through the back door.

00:16:20.000 Okay, so what this suggests is that there are eminently obvious solutions that are actually available that were not taken here.

00:16:30.000 Armed people on campus to stop this stuff would have stopped this stuff, or at least could have stopped this stuff.

00:16:37.000 Locking the doors could have, would have stopped this sort of stuff.

00:16:43.000 But these are precisely the sort of solutions that nobody in the media actually wants to talk about because it doesn't cut in favor of broad-scale social change that they wish to engineer based on whatever is the most convenient story at hand.

00:16:52.000 It is very odd in the United States that the time when we tend to have the gun control conversation is when there is a school shooting as opposed to, you know, the other 364 days of the year when lots and lots of people die from gun violence in the United States.

00:17:04.000 And there's a reason for that.

00:17:06.000 The reason for that is because the idea is, when it comes to mass shootings, that it could be anyone.

00:17:11.000 It could happen in your community.

00:17:12.000 It could happen to anyone.

00:17:13.000 The truth is, the vast majority of places in the United States where there is large-scale gun ownership do not have incidents like this.

00:17:19.000 And there are lots of places that have serious gun control where there's mass violence.

00:17:22.000 Washington, D.C., Chicago.

00:17:24.000 We don't talk about gun control under those circumstances because the city disproves the case.

00:17:29.000 Because the gun violence is utterly disconnected from the laws that are on the books.

00:17:32.000 There are laws on the books preventing people from doing these things.

00:17:35.000 And then they go and they do them anyway.

00:17:36.000 And you can see this, by the way, in full scale in Chicago.

00:17:40.000 Literally yesterday, there was a live report in Chicago from a local news team talking about the prevalence of guns in Chicago.

00:17:48.000 And while this reporter is on scene in Chicago, just down the street, a man walks into frame and points a gun at the camera.

00:17:55.000 I promise you, this guy is violating a bevy of gun laws.

00:17:58.000 Those laws exist in Chicago.

00:18:00.000 What's he doing?

00:18:01.000 Why don't we have more gun laws? 1.00

00:18:02.000 We never talk about gun control in the context of where the vast majority of actual gun violence takes place in the country, because again, the case does not follow.

00:18:10.000 The fact is, in the United States, every year, there are under 400 people who are killed using rifles.

00:18:15.000 Every year in the United States, there are tens of thousands of people who are killed using handguns.

00:18:19.000 But what do we always talk about?

00:18:21.000 When we talk about guns, we talk about banning rifles.

00:18:22.000 We talk about banning AR-15s. 0.99

00:18:23.000 We talk about making sure that 19-year-olds can't buy an AR-15, even though, again, the vast majority of gun violence in the country is done using handguns.

00:18:30.000 There's a reason for that.

00:18:31.000 It doesn't fit the political narrative.

00:18:33.000 Here is this footage from Chicago.

00:18:34.000 I mean, this is incredible stuff.

00:18:35.000 This is a reporter on the street, and a man literally just walks by and points a gun at the camera.

00:18:41.000 While our reporter was in the middle of a live report about gun violence in Chicago, a man walked up and pointed what appeared to be a firearm at our crew.

00:18:51.000 Right now, police are calling this man a person of interest, accused of aggravated assault with a firearm.

00:18:57.000 If you have any information regarding who he is or where he is, please contact Chicago Police.

00:19:04.000 I have a question.

00:19:05.000 Does that look like a law-abiding citizen to you?

00:19:06.000 Does that look like a law-abiding citizen probably will abide by all available gun regulations and laws?

00:19:10.000 Is that what that looks like to you?

00:19:12.000 So when we talk about gun control, again, it is important to recognize the only time we have a mass media conversation on gun control is not when there's a normal weekend in Chicago.

00:19:20.000 It is when there is a mass school shooting, which is a statistical outlier, both in terms of how many school shootings happen in the United States every year, every one of them an act of horrific evil, and also how many people die in such incidents versus how many people die using other weapons across the United States and where they die in the United States using those weapons.

00:19:39.000 Which suggests that a lot of this is politically driven because when it comes to the actual solutions to school shootings, they actually are quite different from the solutions that would attend to, for example, gun violence between gangs in major American cities.

00:19:52.000 The media don't want to talk about all that, so they sort of use these school shootings as a hook to talk about gun control.

00:19:58.000 And then they propose a bunch of stuff that wouldn't have actually stopped the school shooting from happening in the first place.

00:20:03.000 There's so much tragedy upon tragedy happening in Uvalde.

00:20:08.000 This story is horrific.

00:20:09.000 The husband of one of the teachers killed in the shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde actually died on Thursday of a heart attack.

00:20:14.000 Joe Garcia lost his wife, Irma Garcia, 46, in the shooting.

00:20:17.000 This is according to Mediaite.

00:20:19.000 And apparently his nephew announced his uncle's death on Twitter saying that he passed away due to grief.

00:20:24.000 He said essentially that he had a heart attack after finding out that his wife was dead.

00:20:28.000 The Garcias were married for 24 years and had four children who are left without either parent.

00:20:33.000 These sorts of incidents obviously have tremendous collateral damage.

00:20:37.000 Families that are broken.

00:20:39.000 People who will never recover is just awful, which would behoove us to actually discuss some actual solutions.

00:20:45.000 Well, these are difficult times, obviously.

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00:21:58.000 But as we've been saying, for a lot of people, it's not about the solution.

00:22:01.000 It's about the political pandering.

00:22:03.000 And some of them are making it perfectly obvious.

00:22:05.000 So, for example, Senator Richard Blumenthal from from Connecticut. He says that gun violence is going to be on the ballot, right? And this is what they want. They didn't bring up any votes. They didn't bring up any votes on gun action in the last couple of days. Chuck Schumer said he's not going to, because they don't actually want to vote, because it turns out a lot of the stuff they're proposing is unpopular.

00:22:25.000 The idea here is if you don't like gun violence, you should vote for us. We don't have solutions, but the other guys love gun violence. So you should vote for us. It'll be on the ballot.

00:22:34.000 Here's Richard Blumenthal. Let me be very blunt. Gun violence prevention is going to be on the ballot this November.

00:22:42.000 It will be on the ballot this November, and we need to make it a decisive issue.

00:22:49.000 And we will vote them out if they fail to vote the right way.

00:22:56.000 Vote the right way on what?

00:22:58.000 Vote the right way on what?

00:22:59.000 What is the proposal that you have made that would have stopped a school shooting like this?

00:23:02.000 No one can answer that very simple question.

00:23:04.000 I have made multiple proposals on this program and for years about how you stop school shootings like this, ranging from the societal.

00:23:10.000 You need to create social institutions that prevent family breakdown.

00:23:13.000 You need to have stronger communities where people are actually aware of the red flags in their communities and are taking advantage of the existing laws, like red flag laws, in order to inform the police when there is a dangerous person in the community and giving the police the power to actually do something about that, changing the mental health statutes so that people who are a danger to themselves and others can be involuntarily committed for longer than 48 hours before you just release them back onto the street to murder people.

00:23:35.000 These are all things we can do.

00:23:37.000 Hardening schools, making sure that there's the proper fencing, making sure that there are armed guards on premises, making sure that there's one point of entry and multiple points of exit, making sure that the doors inside the buildings automatically lock when teachers enter and exit rooms so that if somebody gets into the hallway, they can't just go room to room shooting people.

00:23:53.000 All of these are things that, by the way, are recommended by security professionals right, left, and center.

00:23:58.000 Nothing I'm saying here is outside the mainstream, and all of it is very doable.

00:24:01.000 But we don't have any of those conversations.

00:24:03.000 Instead, it's about demonization of people who, what, believe in school shootings?

00:24:08.000 I don't believe that Democrats believe in school shootings.

00:24:10.000 I believe they're politically pandering right now.

00:24:12.000 But I certainly don't believe that they are in league with school shooters, but they seem to believe that everybody who disagrees with them is in league with school shooters. 0.98

00:24:18.000 Joe Biden yesterday, he said the only reason to own an AR-15 is because basically you're a sicko. 0.95

00:24:23.000 Here's the President of the United States yesterday. 0.99

00:24:26.000 What in God's name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?

00:24:32.000 Deer aren't running through the forest with Kevlar vests on, for God's sake. 0.98

00:24:38.000 It's just sick.

00:24:41.000 And the gun manufacturers have spent two decades aggressively marking assault weapons which make them the most and largest profit.

00:24:49.000 For God's sake, we have to have the courage to stand up to the industry.

00:24:55.000 It's not the gun industry that is making this happen. 0.97

00:24:57.000 The reason that I own a rifle is to shoot bad people who try to threaten my family.

00:25:01.000 That is why I own a rifle.

00:25:03.000 That's why I think the vast majority of Americans own a rifle.

00:25:06.000 It's why you have people who are on campus carrying AR-15s, depending on which campus you are on.

00:25:11.000 It's why you have armed security guards to act as both a deterrent and actually as a first line of defense if somebody decides to do something like this.

00:25:20.000 But the White House's idea is always gun control and gun control only.

00:25:23.000 It's not just that this is one of their myriad proposals.

00:25:25.000 It's their only proposal.

00:25:26.000 It's the only thing we are allowed to discuss.

00:25:28.000 If you discuss anything else, you are eliding the problem.

00:25:31.000 What about the fact that nothing you propose... I keep coming back to this because it's true and it's just mind-boggling.

00:25:37.000 It's bewildering.

00:25:38.000 Not a thing that you have proposed stops these school shootings.

00:25:42.000 It does not stop the school shootings.

00:25:44.000 And yet you keep proposing these things as though it would.

00:25:48.000 So Corinne Jean-Pierre, she says, well, you know, the answer is to take away guns.

00:25:52.000 So first of all, unless you're talking about a mass gun confiscation, I don't know what policy you're proposing.

00:25:56.000 Are you proposing a mass gun confiscation of hundreds of millions of guns in the United States?

00:25:59.000 Let's try to put that on the ballot.

00:26:00.000 Really run on that.

00:26:00.000 See how that goes for you.

00:26:02.000 See if the American people are willing to do this.

00:26:03.000 By the way, even when they had a mass gun confiscation and buyback in Australia, only one third of people who actually own guns turned in their guns.

00:26:11.000 The rates of gun violence in Australia were already quite low before they had that mass gun confiscation and gun buyback.

00:26:17.000 Karine Jean-Pierre suggests, well, you know, if more guns were the solution, we'd be the safest country, which is just... There are many holes in this logic.

00:26:24.000 We'll break it down in a moment.

00:26:26.000 America has more guns than people in this country.

00:26:30.000 If more guns were indeed the solution, we would be the safest country in the world.

00:26:35.000 But we are not.

00:26:37.000 And so the president has been very clear.

00:26:38.000 He wants action.

00:26:39.000 He wants Congress to take action.

00:26:41.000 He wants to turn this pain into action.

00:26:47.000 If more guns were the solution, we'd be the safest country.

00:26:49.000 Well, more guns in the hands of people who are responsible is a solution.

00:26:52.000 More guns in the hands of people who are irresponsible and evil is not a solution.

00:26:56.000 We all know this.

00:26:56.000 So instead of trying to target the people who are irresponsible or mentally ill or sick or evil, instead of trying to target that, your solution is to try to take the guns away from law-abiding people?

00:27:06.000 I have a counter to if more guns were the solution, we'd be the safest country.

00:27:09.000 If more gun laws were the solution, Chicago would be the safest city. 0.99

00:27:13.000 If more gun laws were the solution, Washington, D.C.

00:27:16.000 would be the safest city.

00:27:18.000 All of this springs from a deeper notion, which is that the government can solve every problem by passing a law, which just isn't, it's never true.

00:27:25.000 Government cannot solve every problem simply by passing a law.

00:27:27.000 It requires human beings to implement that law.

00:27:29.000 It requires people to comply with the law.

00:27:31.000 It requires people to trust the law.

00:27:33.000 It requires a bunch of things to happen.

00:27:35.000 Even if you were to pass a law confiscating all guns in the country, you'd actually have to effectuate that.

00:27:39.000 How many people would die in the effectuation of such a policy?

00:27:43.000 So all of this is it's nonsense.

00:27:45.000 But again, they have to come up with some bad guy and then target the bad guy as political oppositions.

00:27:50.000 Karine Jean-Pierre, she says the NRA is contributing to gun violence.

00:27:53.000 This is coming from the party that has ripped on the police so routinely that the murder rates have spiked by a huge percentage over the last few years in every major American city.

00:28:03.000 And they're saying it's the NRA contributing to gun violence.

00:28:05.000 The NRA is basically A defunct organization at this point.

00:28:08.000 The NRA does not have anything close to the kind of power that it had 20 years ago.

00:28:12.000 The NRA has been having all sorts of internal corruption issues.

00:28:14.000 It's been having all sorts of internal financial issues.

00:28:17.000 It doesn't have the kind of sway and pull that it used to have.

00:28:21.000 The truth is that the gun lobby in the United States is just people who like the Second Amendment.

00:28:26.000 The vast majority of people I know who own guns are not members of the NRA.

00:28:29.000 And the vast, vast, vast majority of people I know who are advocates of Second Amendment rights are not members of the NRA.

00:28:33.000 This is not anti-NRA.

00:28:35.000 This is just pointing out the NRA is way weaker than it once was.

00:28:37.000 And not only that, even when the NRA was strong, that was not the reason why people liked the Second Amendment in the United States as a lobbying group.

00:28:44.000 This is like saying that Planned Parenthood is solely responsible for abortion law in the United States.

00:28:48.000 That's not right.

00:28:50.000 Abortion law in California, Planned Parenthood's prevalence in California is reflective of the fact that there are a lot of people who love abortion in California.

00:28:56.000 Here's Karine Jean-Pierre suggesting it's the NRA contributing to gun violence, not, for example, allowing the mentally ill to be out on the streets able to do whatever they want without involuntary commitment laws on the books.

00:29:07.000 It's not a question of police procedures.

00:29:09.000 It's not a question of yelling at the police every five minutes and sticking the DOJ on them.

00:29:14.000 It's not a problem of family breakdown.

00:29:15.000 None of those.

00:29:16.000 It's the NRA.

00:29:17.000 Nailed it.

00:29:20.000 What is inappropriate is that the leadership of the National Rifle Association has proven time and time again that they are contributing to the problem of gun violence, not trying to solve it.

00:29:30.000 And it's shameful that the NRA and their allies have stood in the way of every attempt to advance measures that we all know will save lives from gun violence.

00:29:44.000 No, you don't.

00:29:46.000 You don't.

00:29:48.000 So again, it's all about the gun lobby.

00:29:50.000 You're corrupt if you oppose them. 0.99

00:29:51.000 You're corrupt. 0.96

00:29:51.000 Okay, so I hear Richard Blumenfeld doing the same thing. 0.96

00:29:53.000 It's the gun lobby.

00:29:53.000 The gun lobby's days are numbered.

00:29:55.000 You know what?

00:29:55.000 You could abolish the NRA tomorrow.

00:29:57.000 It wouldn't do a damn bit of difference because a huge number of Americans just disagree with you.

00:30:01.000 I want to say a word to the gun lobby.

00:30:04.000 Your days are numbered.

00:30:05.000 You are a danger to society and to America if you continue to oppose these common sense measures.

00:30:17.000 Oh, you're a danger to America if you oppose me. 0.97

00:30:21.000 Some of the other ridiculous proposals that have been made. 0.97

00:30:23.000 So Democrats have a variety of proposals.

00:30:26.000 And they are making right now, not before, of course, suggesting that they are the solution.

00:30:31.000 They themselves are the solution to school shootings, even when they're mass shootings that take place fairly routinely in their states.

00:30:35.000 Gavin Newsom doing this, the governor of California who was subjected to a recall by his own citizens.

00:30:41.000 He survived the recall, but he is certainly not any great shakes as a governor.

00:30:44.000 There's a reason people are leaving California in droves.

00:30:46.000 He was ripping on the state of Texas and suggesting that Texas is really, really bad because you have the freedom to keep and bear arms in the state of Texas.

00:30:55.000 Do not give in to the cynicism and all the crap that you heard today in that press conference around evil and mental health that completely belies the fact that there's only one nation on planet Earth that separates itself from all other nations, and that's the United States of America.

00:31:19.000 And the perversion of a second amendment that begins around well-regulated. 0.82

00:31:27.000 Okay, that is, first of all, he doesn't understand the Second Amendment at all.

00:31:32.000 Well-regulated does not mean regulations, as in, like, law.

00:31:36.000 A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the preservation of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

00:31:41.000 That phraseology means a militia that regulates, meaning that they were called regulars, that actually goes out and practices, being necessary to the preservation of a free state from the federal government and foreign invaders.

00:31:55.000 The right to keep and bear arms on an individual level shall not be infringed.

00:31:58.000 Because you know who constituted the militia?

00:31:59.000 It wasn't just like there was a shack there with all the guns.

00:32:01.000 And the head of the militia would call everybody up on the phone and be like, hey, go get your gun from the shack over there.

00:32:05.000 Everybody had their gun at their house.

00:32:07.000 Historically speaking.

00:32:08.000 These people are just deliberately misrepresenting what the Constitution says in order to achieve their desired effects, of course.

00:32:14.000 And then the suggestion that it's cynicism to point out that mass shootings happen in California.

00:32:19.000 It's not cynicism.

00:32:20.000 That's a fact.

00:32:22.000 Mass shootings do happen in California, of course, despite the mass gun laws.

00:32:26.000 Murder rates in L.A.

00:32:28.000 are high.

00:32:29.000 There are GOMAs in Los Angeles.

00:32:31.000 And as far as the idea that this is the only country in the world, this is such a trite, nonsensical line from Gavin Newsom.

00:32:37.000 As John Lott points out, since 1998, there have been a total of nine attacks similar to the Robb Elementary school shooting.

00:32:42.000 Nine is nine too many.

00:32:43.000 Once you adjust for population, there are many other countries, from Germany to Russia to Finland, that have comparable rates of school shooting.

00:32:49.000 Of course, it's true.

00:32:50.000 People tend to ignore the fact that the United States is a very, very populous and large country.

00:32:54.000 The United States population, at this point, Is 330 million people as of 2020?

00:33:03.000 330 million people.

00:33:06.000 The entirety of Europe is only about twice that of the United States, a little over twice that of the United States.

00:33:12.000 We're a very large country, which means that there are a lot of varieties and laws.

00:33:16.000 There are a lot of evil people out there. 1.00

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00:35:00.000 So then there are a bunch of solutions that are being proposed by the left.

00:35:09.000 So I've already proposed to you a bevy of solutions that apparently are not worthy of consideration, ranging from, you know, lock the doors, to change the protocols for the police, to train the police better, to make sure the police actually go in and stop bad guys, to making sure there are armed guards on school premises that people can't just When I began as a federal agent, I carried a gun and two extra mags every day.

00:35:26.000 My mags were marked for law enforcement use only because they held more than 10 rounds.

00:35:29.000 Democrats, however, have different solutions.

00:35:31.000 So for example, Representative Abigail Spanberger, a supposed moderate from the state of Virginia, she suggests what we really need here is we need to change the ability to reload on guns.

00:35:40.000 Quote, when I began as a federal agent, I carried a gun and two extra mags every day.

00:35:44.000 My mags were marked for law enforcement use only because they held more than 10 rounds.

00:35:47.000 At that time, federal law limited magazine capacity to 10 rounds outside of law enforcement use.

00:35:51.000 That provision was part of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004.

00:35:56.000 Large capacity magazines equate to more fatalities when a would-be shooter can fire shot after shot.

00:36:00.000 Research confirms that limiting magazine capacity saves lives.

00:36:03.000 She does not cite the research that demonstrates this.

00:36:05.000 The sad reality is that requiring would-be mass murderers to reload saves lives, permitting people escape time and law enforcement response time.

00:36:12.000 That is why I support legislation to limit magazine capacity.

00:36:15.000 So, again, they've done this in California. 1.00

00:36:16.000 There's only one problem with this sort of logic, and that is that it is stupid. 0.99

00:36:20.000 The reality is, That if you are a person who is dedicated to committing a mass shooting, you'll simply modify your gun. 0.99

00:36:27.000 The reason that I point this out is because this is precisely what the Buffalo shooter did.

00:36:30.000 Quote, massacre suspect said he modified Bushmaster rifle to hold more ammunition, according to the Washington Post, May 15th, 2022.

00:36:39.000 The suspect in the Buffalo supermarket massacre purchased the primary weapon allegedly used in the shooting, a used Bushmaster XM-15 semi-automatic rifle from a licensed dealer near his hometown, but said he then illegally modified the gun so he could use a high-capacity magazine.

00:36:53.000 He said he bought the Bushmaster in January from Vintage Firearms, a small gun store about 15 miles from his home in Conklin, New York, paying $960 for the rifle, a sling to carry it, and some ammo.

00:37:02.000 He also recounted how he acquired two backup weapons, a Mossberg 500 shotgun and a Savage Axis XP bolt-action rifle he received from his father as a Christmas present when he was 16 years old.

00:37:12.000 And again, he suggested that he modified the gun itself so that it would actually hold more ammunition.

00:37:19.000 So, good luck with this being, so your solution is not more armed guards in schools, or hardening the security perimeter, or making sure that the police actually know how to deal with this sort of stuff, or punishing the police for not dealing with this sort of stuff.

00:37:30.000 No, your solution is, he's gonna have to take the one and a half seconds to pop out a mag and pop in a new mag.

00:37:37.000 That is gonna be brilliant, brilliant stuff.

00:37:40.000 Meanwhile, in even dumber solutions, a reporter yesterday suggested To the White House.

00:37:45.000 And the White House took it under advisement that perhaps what we need to do here is punish gun companies by removing from them the PPP loans that were available to businesses that were shut down during COVID.

00:37:57.000 And the White House is like, well, maybe.

00:37:59.000 Maybe.

00:38:01.000 So now the idea from the White House is you are a legal business that carries on the transactions of producing firearms that people generally use for home defense and hunting and business defense and defensive self and others.

00:38:13.000 And we are going to go back in time, and if somebody bought your gun and then used it to murder people, we are going to retroactively remove your loans. We're going to remove the grants that we gave you from the federal government. This is what a reporter suggests. And Kareem Jean-Pierre is like, well, give me the name of the company. We'll, we'll, hmm.

00:38:32.000 Apparently, the company that sold the shooter his rifles received a $3 million $1.2 million PPP loan under the last administration.

00:38:45.000 Do you know if there's any effort by this administration to claw that money back?

00:38:49.000 Honestly, Michael, I need to check with the team and just make sure that is actually factual, but I need to check with the team.

00:38:56.000 Thank you.

00:38:57.000 I appreciate that.

00:38:58.000 And we'll get back to you on that.

00:38:59.000 We'll get back to you on that.

00:39:01.000 How about we do not have, as the White House, the capacity to claw back legally given grants to legal companies in the United States, no matter how much we disagree with that business operating?

00:39:13.000 But no.

00:39:14.000 So I guess that one's maybe on the table.

00:39:14.000 But no.

00:39:16.000 Meanwhile, you have Ed Markey, who's just... Every hook is a useful hook to achieve the sorts of solutions that you wanted in the first place.

00:39:23.000 It's amazing how everything always confirms the priors of these politicians.

00:39:26.000 So Senator Ed Markey from Massachusetts, he says, you know what we need to do?

00:39:30.000 Here's our solution.

00:39:30.000 Let's expand the Supreme Court.

00:39:32.000 I mean, it's almost as though he wanted to expand the Supreme Court before the school shooting, and now he has another excuse to talk about expanding the Supreme Court.

00:39:38.000 We have to expand the Supreme Court to get back the two stolen seats that the Republicans and Donald Trump took from the American people so that we can ensure that when we put gun safety laws on the books, they are not overridden.

00:39:58.000 Oh, OK.

00:39:59.000 So the solutions we have now are banning larger magazines.

00:40:04.000 We are going to expand the Supreme Court.

00:40:07.000 We are going to propose vague, common-sense gun reform, without actually specifying what that gun reform would be.

00:40:13.000 We're going to talk about universal background checks between private sellers, despite the fact that, again, this suspect, in this particular case, bought his guns legally, after a federal background check, which is federally required.

00:40:22.000 When you buy a gun from a federally licensed firearms dealer, I've done it several times, when you do that, you actually have to have a background check, and they make you come back in a couple of days, depending on how long it takes for the background check to be conducted.

00:40:34.000 But we're gonna pretend that that solves it.

00:40:36.000 But you know what they will do?

00:40:37.000 They will just full-scale just deny solutions.

00:40:39.000 Because after all, if solutions were actually effectuated, then perhaps you wouldn't have a hook to run on in 2022.

00:40:45.000 There is Chris Murphy, who's the worst of the worst on this issue, from Connecticut, saying that all evidence shows that guns in schools is not the answer.

00:40:54.000 Is that what all the evidence shows?

00:40:55.000 Truly?

00:40:56.000 Weird, because it seems like the Capitol Police are guarding him, like, right now, as he speaks.

00:41:01.000 Over and over again, we have been given proof that arming our schools, putting adults with guns in and around our schools, doesn't seem to protect our kids.

00:41:10.000 There was plenty of adults with guns at that school two days ago.

00:41:14.000 There was a person with a gun in Parkland.

00:41:17.000 There was a person with a gun in Dayton.

00:41:19.000 For my colleagues here who say the answer is to just put more people with guns in our schools, all the evidence tells us that that's not true.

00:41:27.000 That is a lie.

00:41:28.000 That is a lie.

00:41:30.000 In Parkland, the person with the gun ran away.

00:41:32.000 And when it came to this particular case, there was no person with a gun.

00:41:37.000 And as a person who puts their kids in a school where there are men with guns standing outside, I can promise you that is significantly more of a deterrent than not having a gun out there.

00:41:46.000 Again, these guys...

00:41:48.000 These people, whether it's Hollywood celebrities who are on set where there are armed security all around the set, or whether it is Chris Murphy standing inside the Capitol building protected by Capitol Police.

00:41:56.000 And by the way, the minute that Capitol Police were not protecting the building, there were rioters who smashed into the building and threatened Congress people on January 6th.

00:42:05.000 When he suggests that armed people do not protect other people, I don't know what the hell he's talking about.

00:42:10.000 I don't know where... All the evidence suggests this?

00:42:12.000 Really?

00:42:13.000 Is that what all... Meanwhile, Senator Alex Padilla, he says the same thing.

00:42:15.000 He says, you know, if you put more armed adults in schools, that's not the answer.

00:42:19.000 How is this acceptable?

00:42:23.000 How are you not outraged?

00:42:26.000 We're outraged.

00:42:27.000 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:42:30.000 And no, Putting more armed adults in schools is not the answer.

00:42:39.000 If more guns was the answer, the United States of America would be the safest nation in the world.

00:42:47.000 But it's not.

00:42:48.000 Oh wait, I heard that talking point earlier from the White House.

00:42:50.000 I heard that talking point.

00:42:51.000 But again, you know, one of the things I noticed is that these sorts of rallies are protected by the cops all around.

00:42:55.000 That's Alex Padilla from California.

00:42:58.000 Finally, you have an MSNBC guest making the same point.

00:43:00.000 The idea is that we've never seen a good guy take out a bad guy with a gun.

00:43:03.000 We've never seen that ever happen.

00:43:04.000 Except that's exactly how this stopped.

00:43:05.000 That's how all of these situations stop.

00:43:06.000 It stops when finally somebody who's good with a gun goes and stops the bad guy with the gun.

00:43:10.000 That is literally what happens every time.

00:43:12.000 And you know what we never talk about are the cases where somebody is going to commit a crime and then somebody with a gun shows up and stops them because they don't turn into national headlines where dozens of people are shot.

00:43:23.000 So they're just going to continue trotting out these illogical... It's amazing, it's amazing.

00:43:27.000 So here, our media are fully invested and dedicated to the idea that the only thing that alleviates you of the charge, that you don't care about dead kids, the only thing that alleviates you of that charge is agreeing with them that wide-scale, common-sense gun reform, which they never happen to flesh out, is the answer.

00:43:43.000 If you side with them, you are a member of the elect.

00:43:45.000 You're a member of the predestined for heaven elect who never have to actually change policy to protect kids.

00:43:50.000 All you have to do is say that you believe if you clap hard enough for gun control Tinkerbell, then kids will not die anymore.

00:43:57.000 That is what we don't have to propose any policy that makes sense.

00:43:59.000 We don't have to explain how that policy is well calibrated.

00:44:01.000 We don't have to explain how we're going to effectuate that policy.

00:44:04.000 We don't even have to explain how it would have stopped this shooting.

00:44:06.000 We don't have to do any of that.

00:44:07.000 All we have to do is just say, we agree with you.

00:44:10.000 And then you are magically a member of the virtuous.

00:44:12.000 And if you're a member of the virtuous, solutions are completely unnecessary.

00:44:15.000 Because then we are governed by angels.

00:44:18.000 And if we are governed by angels, then no laws are necessary.

00:44:21.000 No regulations are necessary.

00:44:22.000 All the best will rule us.

00:44:24.000 Here's an MSNBC guest.

00:44:26.000 who is going off on this yesterday.

00:44:28.000 His name is Gregory Jackson, saying we've seen clearly there's no such thing as a good guy taking out a bad guy, except for, again, this is literally how every one of these shootings eventually ends, is when good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns or intimidate them into killing themselves.

00:44:41.000 We've seen very clearly that, you know, there's no such thing as a good guy with a gun taking out a bad guy with a gun.

00:44:48.000 We saw that in Buffalo.

00:44:49.000 You know, someone who was a lifetime gun owner, a retired police officer and security guard who sacrificed his life trying to stop that gunman.

00:44:58.000 But when you're someone going up against an assault rifle and a world of hate, unfortunately, people are getting outgunned every day. 1.00

00:45:08.000 This is just, it's garbage. 1.00

00:45:10.000 It's just garbage. 1.00

00:45:11.000 But the entire media are garbage. 1.00

00:45:12.000 They're just a propaganda outlet on behalf of the left-wing. 1.00

00:45:17.000 Perfect example, today's Washington Post.

00:45:19.000 Going after, again, just as you, it's a coordinated attack now, on the manufacturer of the gun.

00:45:24.000 So the idea is that if you manufacture a weapon and then somebody goes and uses the weapon for an act of evil, somehow you are responsible for the use of that weapon in an act of evil.

00:45:31.000 Logically, you would never apply it to any other weapon in the history of humanity.

00:45:34.000 You would never apply it to knives, you would never apply it to cars, you would never apply it to any other object that could be used in a dangerous way.

00:45:41.000 There are many objects that can be used in a dangerous way.

00:45:44.000 But we never would suggest that the manufacturer and seller of that object is somehow responsible for the use of that object in a crime.

00:45:53.000 That'd be a weird argument.

00:45:54.000 But now they are arguing that not only should these manufacturers be held responsible, but that the manufacturers are actually in control of American politics.

00:46:01.000 Because after all, who would not side with the angels?

00:46:03.000 I mean, they've made you an offer.

00:46:04.000 The offer is you can be on the side of the angels.

00:46:06.000 So if you're not siding with the angels, it must be because somebody's paying you off.

00:46:09.000 So you have the Washington Post today, quote, First of all, are we supposed to be surprised that gun manufacturers typically support the party that does not want to restrict gun rights?

00:46:22.000 Is that supposed to be a shock?

00:46:24.000 This is somewhat like saying that the manufacturers of drugs that are used in abortions support the Democratic Party.

00:46:31.000 I would be shocked if they didn't support the Democratic Party.

00:46:34.000 One of those parties supports laws that are in favor of the use of these products in a legal fashion.

00:46:41.000 But this is bad, right? 0.89

00:46:42.000 And the reason it's bad is because you're corrupt. 1.00

00:46:44.000 You, you're corrupt. 0.99

00:46:45.000 Did you know that you were paid by Daniel Defense? 1.00

00:46:48.000 You were!

00:46:49.000 If you don't support their agenda, it's because you got a check from Daniel Defense.

00:46:53.000 That is why.

00:46:54.000 It's not because you have independent thoughts in your head.

00:46:55.000 It's not because you believe in the Second Amendment.

00:46:57.000 It's not because you're a gun owner.

00:46:57.000 None of that stuff.

00:46:58.000 It's because you must have been paid off.

00:47:00.000 Because otherwise, what else would explain your evil?

00:47:02.000 I mean, after all, you don't need an AR-15 to shoot a deer in a Kevlar vest or some such nonsense.

00:47:08.000 So here's the Washington Post today.

00:47:09.000 Quote, the owners of Daniel Defense, the manufacturer of the rifle apparently used in the massacre of 21 people at an elementary school in Valdez, Texas, are deep-pocketed Republicans' owners, giving to candidates and committees at the federal and state level aligned against limits on access to assault rifles and other semi-automatic weapons.

00:47:24.000 The owners of the Georgia-based company have donated more than $70,000 directly to GOP candidates for federal office this election cycle, according to review of filings with the FEC.

00:47:33.000 Daniel Defense itself gave $100,000 last year to a PAC backing incumbent Republican senators.

00:47:39.000 The spending by Marvin Daniel and his wife, Cindy Daniel, illustrates the financial clout of the gun industry.

00:47:44.000 Even as political spending by the NRA has declined in recent years, and it shows how surge in gun sales during COVID have empowered manufacturers to expand their marketing and political advocacy.

00:47:53.000 Experts say, oh, well, if the experts say so, well, then that means...

00:47:58.000 First of all, this is what we call elementary logic.

00:48:00.000 If you are a gun manufacturer, you are going to support people who are in favor of your business continuing to thrive.

00:48:06.000 You are probably a believer in the Second Amendment and a believer that people have a right to defend themselves with your weaponry.

00:48:12.000 Is it a shock that you support this party?

00:48:15.000 What, are you going to support the people who are literally saying that you're a murderer?

00:48:15.000 Why would you not support them?

00:48:19.000 Who want to make you liable for the use of weapons that you designed for self-defense to murder kids?

00:48:24.000 Like, those are the people you're supposed to give them?

00:48:26.000 What are you supposed to do?

00:48:27.000 Come on.

00:48:29.000 But the idea is, again, that it really is about the Republicans, right? 0.99

00:48:31.000 The Republicans are evil, this company is evil.

00:48:33.000 You can have your life destroyed at any moment, by the way, by any one of these members of the media. 0.99

00:48:38.000 Any moment.

00:48:39.000 If your business comes under fire from the media, they will immediately dig up any donation you ever gave, and then they will attempt to punish you on the front page of their newspaper.

00:48:48.000 Because this is not journalism, it is just activism.

00:48:51.000 Timothy Lytton, a law professor at Georgia State University, says the ability of the industry to use money to advance its political agenda has increased given the dramatic rise in firearm sales we've seen over the last two or three years.

00:49:01.000 So in other words, we can't actually show that anybody's been paid off or that any bribery occurs.

00:49:05.000 We can't show that that's a thing that happens.

00:49:07.000 What we can show is that people are buying more guns.

00:49:09.000 Well, did it ever occur to Democrats?

00:49:12.000 The reason over the last couple of years that people particularly have been buying a lot of guns is because they don't feel safe because you undermine the cops in every community in the United States.

00:49:20.000 My wife and I thought seriously of buying additional guns, specifically because of the riots in California, that were predominantly backed by major Democrats who refused to condemn them.

00:49:31.000 But apparently we must have been paid by Daniel Defense or something.

00:49:33.000 That's the only rationale for this.

00:49:35.000 Meanwhile, you have the New York Times doing its own version of journal activism.

00:49:38.000 On the front page, quote, where Senate Republicans stand on gun legislation.

00:49:42.000 How about where Senate Democrats stand on hardening school safety standards?

00:49:45.000 Where Democrats stand on putting armed guards in schools to protect your kids the same way the Democrats protect their money?

00:49:53.000 I don't see that article from the New York Times, but again, they get to define the narrative.

00:49:55.000 Always and forever, they define the narrative.

00:49:57.000 It's one of the great frustrations of life, is that whenever something happens, everybody on the right is expected to play defense.

00:50:02.000 When there is a shooting at a Buffalo supermarket by a white supremacist who identifies as neither right nor left, you, normal everyday Republican voter, or you, independent voter who may not back a Democrat in this election cycle, you're forced on the defensive to explain why you don't back that guy, and why you don't back white supremacy, and why he doesn't reflect your ideology.

00:50:19.000 When there is a shooting, By a person with obvious serious mental issues.

00:50:27.000 In Texas, Marine school kids, you will be placed on defensive to explain why you do not back this.

00:50:32.000 Because they get to define the narrative.

00:50:33.000 This is what the New York Times does, quote.

00:50:37.000 The New York Times reached out on Wednesday and Thursday to all 50 Republicans in the Senate to see whether they would support a pair of House-passed measures to strengthen background checks for gun buyers.

00:50:44.000 Within hours of the elementary school shooting in Ubalde, Senate Democrats moved quickly to clear the way for possible votes on the two bills.

00:50:49.000 That's a lie, because Senator Chuck Schumer says that he is not going to push those bills for at least another couple of weeks.

00:50:54.000 The legislation would expand criminal background checks to would-be purchasers on the internet and at gun shows, and give the FBI more time to investigate gun buyers flagged by the instant background check system.

00:51:03.000 Okay, so that's not actually what the legislation does.

00:51:05.000 It prevents people If I want to sell a gun to my brother-in-law, for example, it would prevent me from doing that by creating a full-scale federal gun registry, so that if the gun got transferred from me to my brother-in-law, and then it was found at the scene of a crime, they could prosecute me.

00:51:19.000 That's what that would be about.

00:51:21.000 That's not... If you buy a gun over the internet, you have to... I've done it.

00:51:25.000 You have to go to a federally licensed firearms dealer to pick up the gun, and they do a background check on you before you are allowed to take it home.

00:51:34.000 The vast majority of Republicans, according to the New York Times, have opposed gun safety legislation for years, banding together to block its consideration or refusing to bring it up.

00:51:42.000 Any deal in the 50-50 Senate would need the support of at least 10 Republicans.

00:51:45.000 Most Republicans who have responded to the Times so far have either declined to take a position or signaled they would oppose the measures, citing concerns about infringing on the rights of gun owners.

00:51:52.000 All but one Democrat is supportive, Senator Joe Manchin.

00:51:55.000 So again, Democrats propose a thing, now Republicans explain why you don't support it.

00:51:59.000 Explain.

00:52:01.000 And then the New York Times has an entire piece in which it's just, this headline is just a lie.

00:52:05.000 Uvalde had prepared for school shootings.

00:52:07.000 It did not stop the rampage.

00:52:08.000 Really?

00:52:08.000 Did they prepare?

00:52:09.000 How well were they prepared?

00:52:10.000 How'd that preparation go?

00:52:12.000 In August 2020, law enforcement officers from five agencies converged inside the hallways of a school in Uvalde, Texas, their guns drawn, role-playing how they would halt a gunman.

00:52:20.000 The training, detailed in documents reviewed by the New York Times, was part of an overhaul of security preparedness in Uvalde and across much of Texas.

00:52:26.000 Uvalde school officials were doubling their budget for security, updating protocols, adding officers to the district's police department.

00:52:32.000 As the city's separate police force dispatched its SWAT team in tactical gears to learn the layout of school buildings.

00:52:37.000 But none of the extensive preparations halted the rampage of an 18-year-old gunman who entered a Novaldi elementary school this week and killed 19 children and two teachers.

00:52:44.000 Again, this entire article is directed at the idea that no matter what you do to train cops, no matter how many armed guards you put on it, it's going to have to be gun laws that solves the problem.

00:52:53.000 But obviously none of this was implemented.

00:52:56.000 Obviously none of this mattered.

00:52:59.000 There is little evidence nationally, says the New York Times, that the dollars poured into school security measures have decreased gun violence in schools, according to a 2019 study co-written by Yagdish Khubachandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico State University.

00:53:11.000 These security measures are not effective and they are not catching up to the ease of access with which people are acquiring guns in the pandemic.

00:53:17.000 So I feel like those are two unrelated issues.

00:53:19.000 One is, are the security protocols good?

00:53:22.000 And two is the availability of guns.

00:53:25.000 Those are two separate issues.

00:53:26.000 But we're treating them as conflated because again, the idea for the Democrats is if you talk about anything but gun control, then this means that you're in favor of shootings.

00:53:35.000 But as I have suggested, the rate of school shootings, it seems to be largely at unprotected public schools.

00:53:42.000 Gun-free zones declared by law, where there is not sufficient protection.

00:53:46.000 I don't know how many times you can argue this over and over.

00:53:51.000 They keep saying, well, the law enforcement training didn't do it.

00:53:53.000 Well, maybe the law enforcement training isn't good enough.

00:53:55.000 Maybe we haven't funded enough in order to harden these security protocols.

00:53:59.000 We don't have any of the measures that we've talked about.

00:54:02.000 But again, the idea is that the only way to do this is to widely confiscate weaponry, which is the only thing that they actually won't talk about.

00:54:09.000 They won't actually talk about what they want.

00:54:10.000 Because if they talk about what they want, they lose.

00:54:13.000 And all of this is, in the end, about how they're morally outraged.

00:54:17.000 And if you don't agree with me, you're not morally outraged.

00:54:19.000 Roxanne Gage is saying the quiet part out loud at the New York Times, quote, don't talk to me about civility.

00:54:23.000 On Tuesday morning, those children were alive.

00:54:25.000 So I get to yell at you and claim that you love dead kids because after all, I'm a good person and you're a bad person because you disagree with me.

00:54:36.000 Incivility runs through the history of this country, says Roxane Gay, founded on stolen land, built with the labor of stolen lives.

00:54:42.000 The document that governs our lives effectively denied more than half of the population the right to vote.

00:54:45.000 Again, this ties into a broader left-wing vision.

00:54:48.000 The United States is evil from its root, and civility is just a way of facilitating that evil.

00:54:53.000 So if we are uncivil, and if we are terrible to one another, and if we pretend that the people we disagree with actually like when kids get shot in school, then probably that will solve the problem.

00:55:02.000 Or, alternatively, it's not about solving the problem, it's just about making yourself feel good for doing things that are completely non-coordinated with the actual problem at hand.

00:55:12.000 Alrighty, again, none of this is going to end with any action that prevents this sort of stuff.

00:55:17.000 It's not going to.

00:55:18.000 Because, frankly, a lot of people don't want to talk about the stuff that actually solves these sorts of problems.

00:55:22.000 Instead, they want a virtue signal.

00:55:24.000 And virtue signaling may be good for election time money-raising, but it is very not good for solving problems.

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The Real Reason Children Died In Uvalde | Ep. 1504

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