The Ben Shapiro Show - October 02, 2026


The Real Reason the Right Is Fighting Over the Economy

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00:00:00.000 The era of small government is over and it's been over for decades.
00:00:04.000 The era of big government is here.
00:00:06.000 There's not a politician in America who will just tell you the truth about what is required by a functional economy.
00:00:12.000 What politicians do is they say the government can solve all your problems, elect me.
00:00:15.000 Then government fails and they blame the free market, so give us more power.
00:00:18.000 Then the government fails some more, but the problem must still be the free market, so give us more power.
00:00:22.000 Joe Rogan, the other day, he was talking about politicians.
00:00:24.000 He says, you know, they all say they're going to do something and never wind up doing it.
00:00:27.000 Yeah, well, maybe you should stop putting faith in politicians to be able to do things then.
00:00:32.000 The solution, you know, here's the thing.
00:00:32.000 Right.
00:00:33.000 If the government can't do a lot of things, you have no faith in politicians who say they're going to do it.
00:00:37.000 I have no faith.
00:00:39.000 If I told my plumber, if I was talking to my plumber, my plumber said, I'm going to fix the national debt.
00:00:42.000 I'd say, that's not possible.
00:00:44.000 You cannot fix the national debt.
00:00:46.000 Right.
00:00:46.000 It turns out that people who don't have the power and authority to do things can't do them.
00:00:52.000 But the problem with politicians is they do have the power and authority to give other people's money to other.
00:00:57.000 And then all Americans seem to buy into the notion that politicians can solve all their problems. 0.97
00:01:01.000 It's ridiculous.
00:01:02.000 You'd figure at a certain point people might get wise and say, you know what? 0.97
00:01:05.000 We're not giving you power because every time we give you more power, you fail worse.
00:01:08.000 But apparently not.
00:01:09.000 Here's Joe Rogan.
00:01:11.000 I have never been impressed with any single one individual politician who comes along and changes everything.
00:01:17.000 They all say they're going to do something and they never wind up doing exactly what they're doing.
00:01:21.000 Hey, that is right.
00:01:23.000 So at this point, you might want to minimize the power of government, would you not?
00:01:26.000 Because it turns out they can't do any of these things. 1.00
00:01:28.000 But instead, what you get is the retard right. 0.99
00:01:32.000 And the insane communist left getting together to decide that the real problem, of course, is capitalism. 0.90
00:01:38.000 That you need more, you need to give Zoran Momdani more power and then he'll fix everything, just the way that France gave more power to the government.
00:01:43.000 And things look very fixed over there, don't they?
00:01:45.000 They look great. 0.91
00:01:46.000 Zoran Momdani, by the way, in his own person, is a merger of all the factors we're talking about budgetary irresponsibility that's going to break budgets, communist politics, and Islamist radicalism.
00:01:57.000 He has all of those things put together in one human, and Theo Voine is sitting there like the droog that he is, praising all of this.
00:02:03.000 Do you think that the American dream is still alive?
00:02:06.000 You know, I don't know.
00:02:08.000 It used to feel like you did enough work, you did this, and you did these things, and you could have this, you could have a life, right?
00:02:13.000 You could have an existence.
00:02:15.000 What's that graph we were looking at earlier, Nick?
00:02:17.000 If you had that, it was about, yeah, US rent prices versus income since 1986.
00:02:24.000 And you can see that rent prices are up 150%, whereas income is up on average 25%.
00:02:32.000 It's unbelievable.
00:02:33.000 It's unbelievable.
00:02:34.000 I mean, it's.
00:02:35.000 You're putting people, this is just a slow boiling of people's ability to at some point even have peace.
00:02:35.000 Right.
00:02:43.000 Because if you don't have peace, if you can't like catch your breath, like you're saying, it's like you just can't operate, you know?
00:02:48.000 Like you can't live the American dream if you can't get a good night's sleep.
00:02:52.000 Yeah.
00:02:52.000 You know?
00:02:53.000 Like if you're stressed out, it's like, you know?
00:02:55.000 And I just think that that's a place where we're at.
00:02:57.000 A lot of people are, they've internally, they still have that thing that wants them to be able to do it, right?
00:03:05.000 They're striving, but the external isn't meeting them halfway or even a third of the way anymore, like I feel like it used to.
00:03:11.000 It feels like you have to luck out in some big way.
00:03:15.000 I mean, in many ways, I feel like it's why a lot of people play the lottery.
00:03:15.000 Yeah.
00:03:22.000 That's for many, it feels like their only chance.
00:03:25.000 Well, do you feel like there's like people think that they have better odds playing the lottery than making it in their own life?
00:03:35.000 What does that say about the country that we live in?
00:03:38.000 I mean, what it says is that there are people like you who lie for a living, who lie for a living.
00:03:43.000 Again, listen, everybody who votes wants free stuff.
00:03:46.000 That's a reality.
00:03:47.000 Large majorities, according to the Wall Street Journal, support both strong border security and a pathway to citizenship for people in the country illegally.
00:03:47.000 Okay.
00:03:55.000 Also, when it comes to spending, nearly three quarters of voters support a cap on childcare costs for working families.
00:04:04.000 Also, nearly four in five voters support capping credit card interest rates at 10%.
00:04:08.000 Because when people don't understand trade offs and they are told that if you vote for a thing, it will magically appear and they don't think of any of the spillover effects, which is what economics is about, economics is fundamentally the study of the distribution of goods and resources and also the knock on effects of how you distribute those things. 0.99
00:04:26.000 If you never look at the second order effects of the policies that you examine, you end up with idiot policies. 0.98
00:04:31.000 But this is where we are. 1.00
00:04:33.000 And unfortunately, again, this is bled over to both parties.
00:04:35.000 So the vice president, JD Vance, who is himself a very, very big government Republican, he is promoting the idea that the government can also fix all of your economic problems through tariffs and through subsidization.
00:04:49.000 And then he cites the dyspepsia of people about the economy as a rationale for yet more government involvement.
00:04:56.000 Again, this sort of pandering is not helpful.
00:04:58.000 It just isn't.
00:04:59.000 It may be politically helpful, but it is not helpful on a real level.
00:04:59.000 Okay.
00:05:03.000 When you tell Americans they cannot succeed, the free market has failed them, vote for me, and I'm going to fix all your problems, all of your dyspepsia is not only somewhat based, but also entirely justified by hatred of the free market, and I will step in and fix it for you.
00:05:17.000 I'm sorry, Republicans can't compete in this business.
00:05:19.000 They will just lose.
00:05:20.000 They will lose because Democrats are there promising even more stuff.
00:05:24.000 But here's JD Vance trying the soft sell approach.
00:05:27.000 Like, I just think you have to level with people that if you're trying to undo 40 years of bad policy, of globalization, of shipping American jobs overseas, it's going to take a little bit of time to fix that.
00:05:37.000 Now, do I think we've made incredible progress?
00:05:39.000 Absolutely.
00:05:40.000 But I think we just have to be honest with people.
00:05:42.000 Look, we're trying to fix what was broken over 40 years.
00:05:46.000 Everything was not going to be fixed in 18 months, but you can't ignore people's concerns.
00:05:50.000 And so, you know, on the one hand, you have the president talking about all the great building that's happening.
00:05:55.000 You have me sort of acknowledging that it's going to take a long time to rebuild the American middle class.
00:06:01.000 And on the other hand, you have a few tone deaf Republicans who say, shut up if you're pissed off about a $22 burrito.
00:06:07.000 Well, my response to those people is, no, listen to people who are upset with the state of the economy.
00:06:13.000 If we don't listen to people, we will turn into the very thing that we hate, the very thing that we ran against.
00:06:20.000 Okay, so I'm just going to point out here that there is a difference between saying he's citing the $20 burrito again, because this is very much in vogue with people who are on the big government right.
00:06:28.000 The entire controversy, the dumb controversy over the $22 burrito, Is twofold.
00:06:33.000 Everyone agrees things cost too much. 0.72
00:06:35.000 Also, a burrito does not cost $22 unless you're ordering it via Uber.
00:06:39.000 And so there are some personal lifestyle decisions that you can make as to whether you wish to spend $22 on a burrito.
00:06:44.000 Both of those things can live logically in your mind.
00:06:47.000 But again, the goal of politicians is to pretend that if you want a golden horsey and people don't give you your golden horsey and you're upset that you don't have your golden horsey, I will give you the golden horsey.
00:06:57.000 Ben, if you want to talk about the reasons for inflation, there are reasons for inflation.
00:07:01.000 And of course, the entire left and part of the right will say that one of the reasons for inflation.
00:07:05.000 Is the Iran war. 0.65
00:07:05.000 That's true with regard to gas and oil, of course, of course. 0.65
00:07:08.000 But let us be very, very clear that inflation spiked under Joe Biden to extraordinary rates well before there was an Iran war because of the government spending and because of the bottlenecks in supply chains, thanks to COVID, and then the entire vast wave of money that he hovered over the economy.
00:07:25.000 And then it came down late in the Biden administration, and then it dropped even a little more under Trump, and then it started to basically stagnate in the 3% to 4% range under President Trump.
00:07:35.000 Partially because he decided to once again restrict supply, which is what a tariff is.
00:07:39.000 And then that was exacerbated by the war in Iran.
00:07:42.000 All of which is to say that government involvement in the economy is highly likely to produce precisely the inflationary effects that people are decrying.
00:07:51.000 So, when they say, well, you know, I'm worried about costs, therefore the government should be more involved, and you just have to tell people, you have to level with them that we need to redo the entire economic structure.
00:08:00.000 Free markets, that's the real problem.
00:08:02.000 Okay, let us be very clear about the status of the economy since 1967.
00:08:07.000 Again, we showed these stats the other day, and they are true.
00:08:10.000 According to Cato Institute, looking at the Census Bureau income data since 1967, over the past 60 years, the share of households with incomes Over $150,000 went from 5% of households in 1967 to 28% of households in 2025. 0.91
00:08:31.000 The share of households who made between $35,000 and $149,000 dropped actually from 65% to 53% because a huge number of those people moved into the upper middle and upper class.
00:08:45.000 Also, real household income has risen by more than half since 1967.
00:08:51.000 If you look at this line, it is basically an arithmetic increase.
00:08:55.000 It is basically just a slow and steady increase in real median household income.
00:09:02.000 It spiked during Trump turn one, by the way.
00:09:05.000 But this is a fairly even growing line.
00:09:08.000 So the idea that you are living a much worse life than your grandparents were living in 1967 because of, say, free trade or because of deregulation is crazy.
00:09:17.000 It's not true.
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00:10:02.000 But if your politicians on the right and the left keep lying to you about what government can do, I mean, they can lie.
00:10:07.000 It's obviously, listen, it is always going to be politically productive to tell everybody that they can have the golden horsey.
00:10:14.000 But there are downstream effects to telling everybody they can have the golden horsey.
00:10:17.000 And you're watching it in France right now.
00:10:19.000 And here was JD Vance talking about how the social welfare system is a core part of the social contract.
00:10:25.000 One of my big beliefs, Joe, on this is like the social welfare system in this country.
00:10:31.000 Is a core part of the social contract.
00:10:34.000 Like my family, I myself benefited from some of these programs.
00:10:38.000 I'm now the vice president of the United States.
00:10:41.000 I know a lot of people who get down on their luck, who need a little bit of help giving their kids access to a doctor or taking their kids to a dentist or need a little bit of help that month buying food for their families.
00:10:53.000 I want those programs to exist, and I think it's a cool thing about Americans that we're generous to one another.
00:10:59.000 We say, when you're down on your luck, yes, of course, we want you to be.
00:11:02.000 Finding a job.
00:11:03.000 And yes, we want you to be trying to get back on your feet.
00:11:05.000 And we know most of our fellow Americans will.
00:11:07.000 But if you're down on your luck, your kid is not going to go hungry or not going to be able to treat an illness because they can't afford a doctor.
00:11:15.000 Okay, again, when he says that the social welfare system is the core part of the social contract, and then he says that he's only where he is because of social welfare systems, first of all, this is precisely the opposite of the argument that he made in the book that made him famous, Hillbilly Elegy.
00:11:28.000 Second of all, there's a vast difference between local programs and the federal government.
00:11:33.000 And third, it is indistinguishable from the rhetoric of Elizabeth Warren.
00:11:36.000 Indistinguishable.
00:11:37.000 And if Republicans keep simultaneously claiming the free markets are great and also the free markets are a failure and we need more government control, people are going to be rightly confused.
00:11:47.000 Now, President Trump, he's bewildered by this.
00:11:49.000 He says that we don't seem to be able to get the word across that the economy is doing pretty well.
00:11:53.000 Well, maybe part of the reason is because half the Republican Party is dedicated to the proposition that we need vastly more government spending and more government regulation and centralized bureaucracy.
00:12:02.000 And we have the best economy anywhere in the world.
00:12:05.000 There's no economy like this economy.
00:12:08.000 And the only thing we don't have is good public relations.
00:12:11.000 We don't seem to be able to get the word across that we have more people working than ever before.
00:12:17.000 We have the best job numbers than ever before.
00:12:20.000 And we don't get the word across.
00:12:22.000 And that's because the press.
00:12:23.000 Doesn't want us to get the word across.
00:12:26.000 And, you know, press has to become real news, not fake news.
00:12:31.000 Again, he is not wrong.
00:12:32.000 Okay, the president is not wrong here.
00:12:34.000 Okay, but when you have people in the administration who are telling you that actually we need to promise more people golden horsies, it's kind of a problem.
00:12:42.000 Trump's disapproval rating, by the way, continues to spike.
00:12:45.000 There's a new poll out showing that his handling of the economy 26% of Americans believe that his handling of the economy is good.
00:12:52.000 That is because of discombobulation.
00:12:54.000 It is because you cannot simultaneously claim.
00:12:56.000 That you want to lower inflation and raise tariffs.
00:12:59.000 This segment, by the way, is brought to you by our friends over at Pure Talk because we are going to be speaking some clarity here.
00:13:06.000 You cannot simultaneously claim that you want to free up the markets with AI, but also you want to nationalize particular industries.
00:13:12.000 It confuses people.
00:13:14.000 Now, Democrats are better at this because they just lie.
00:13:16.000 They rely on free markets to generate economic growth, and then they claim that the free markets are failing.
00:13:20.000 So that's what Zoran Mondani is doing.
00:13:22.000 He's bragging that New York's economy grew by 4% in Q2, more than any other state.
00:13:28.000 Want to get your business off the ground?
00:13:29.000 Hire only the best.
00:13:30.000 There's only one place to do it New York.
00:13:31.000 Well, would you like to know why New York State has a high Q2 GDP growth rate?
00:13:39.000 Because the number one contributor to the state's growth was finance, Wall Street, the people that he's yelling about.
00:13:45.000 Remember, it's Zorhan Mamdani who says that socialism is just about having whatever you need to live a dignified life.
00:13:51.000 We have an entire political class, and again, it's now spanning the entire left and part of the right, that says free markets are to blame for everything.
00:13:59.000 And what we truly need is socialistic control from the top.
00:14:02.000 Here is Zorhan Mamdani saying that, you know, socialism is just being nice.
00:14:06.000 It's just niceness, right?
00:14:07.000 It's the warm hug of collectivism.
00:14:09.000 Socialism to me, it means that you will have whatever you need to live a dignified life and that it is the government's job to deliver on that.
00:14:22.000 Okay.
00:14:22.000 Right?
00:14:23.000 It's a belief that you shouldn't live in a place where all you can do is pick your own leaders.
00:14:30.000 You should also be able to have.
00:14:32.000 That power in the rest of your life, right?
00:14:34.000 People talk about it as the extension of democracy from the ballot box to the rest of your life.
00:14:39.000 What do people mean by the rest of your life?
00:14:40.000 They mean your workplace, your home, things like that.
00:14:44.000 So when people say dignity, I want to be very clear.
00:14:48.000 We're talking about the things that allow you to take a breath housing, childcare, right?
00:14:54.000 Public transit.
00:14:55.000 No one should be priced out of these things.
00:14:58.000 These are non negotiables.
00:14:59.000 You need these to live.
00:15:01.000 Golden horsies.
00:15:02.000 Everybody should just be given.
00:15:03.000 And how's he going to achieve all of this?
00:15:05.000 Not by the actual things that allow people to have good housing and good nutrition and good childcare and all that stuff.
00:15:10.000 You know, free markets and good decision making.
00:15:13.000 It's me.
00:15:14.000 It's me, Smarmy McSmarmalot. 0.98
00:15:16.000 Islamist McSmarmy. 0.94
00:15:18.000 Yes, Golden Horses. 1.00
00:15:20.000 That's all we mean.
00:15:21.000 That's all we mean.
00:15:23.000 It's just, it's insane.
00:15:25.000 Jon Stewart doing the same routine.
00:15:27.000 He says, you know, we have too much privatization.
00:15:28.000 Okay, John, I'd love to collectivize your income.
00:15:31.000 Your talents seem like they are the product of collective effort.
00:15:34.000 Let's collectivize your show.
00:15:36.000 I want to stop privatizing things that don't work well in a market system, like healthcare, like Medicare, like all those things that are getting ruined by privatization and insurance and all those different markets and rebalance so that labor gets a fairer shake, the same shake that money gets.
00:15:59.000 Again, it's just the man who became rich off the free markets is now very anti free markets, obviously, because again, there's always that beautiful dream that someone is going to come in and fix all of your problems.
00:16:09.000 Okay, so combine.
00:16:10.000 The statism, the welfare statism of the entire left and a huge chunk of the right.
00:16:15.000 Combine that with the open immigration policies being pushed by the left, and what you get is France. 0.87
00:16:18.000 Here's Mila Kirosh, the DSA candidate in Colorado, who is now going to be part of the so called bloc in Congress, the commies and Islamists in Congress.
00:16:26.000 Here she is saying that there are millions of immigrants that should have citizenship. 0.55
00:16:29.000 We need to make it so that it doesn't take a decade to become a citizen in this country and cost you thousands of dollars to do it.
00:16:35.000 I saw my parents go through it.
00:16:36.000 I see members of my community go through it. 0.99
00:16:39.000 It's absolutely ridiculous. 0.81
00:16:41.000 I do believe that with that.
00:16:43.000 Being said, there are millions of undocumented immigrants in the United States right now that are working, that are contributing to their societies and their communities, and should have an immediate pathway to citizenship.
00:16:57.000 And obviously, we'll make sure for the folks that have been committing crimes or whatever the case is.
00:17:02.000 But again, those are a minuscule number of people.
00:17:04.000 In fact, immigrants are less likely to commit a crime than people that were born here in the U.S.
00:17:09.000 So I just believe in common sense immigration reform and making sure that we're actually living up to the ideals of this country.
00:17:16.000 I mean, this is the combo.
00:17:19.000 And of course, she's also a free Palestine flag waiver. 0.94
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00:17:56.000 So, again, Mila Kirosh is combining the open immigration with the welfare statism.
00:18:01.000 There are consequences to that.
00:18:02.000 NBC is now reporting that a purported media representative for Hamas has been accused of funneling roughly $1.7 million to the terrorist organization from donors in the U.S. and elsewhere who believed they were giving humanitarian aid to Gaza.
00:18:16.000 According to a federal indictment unsealed on Thursday, Salim Al Zaq was indicted by a federal grand jury in New York.
00:18:21.000 And he was charged with money laundering and violating sanctions, according to the charging document.
00:18:25.000 Two brothers in the U.S., Abdal Adhami and Omar Adhami, were charged in connection with the long running scheme to raise money for Hamas by disseminating propaganda and soliciting donations for the poor and orphans in Gaza via Snapchat, Telegram, and Instagram, according to court records.
00:18:39.000 All told, between November 4, 2023, and June 2025, Abdal Adhami sent almost 35 grand to one PayPal account and 46 grand to another.
00:18:48.000 The money was then funneled to Alzak, who is believed to be in Gaza. 0.72
00:18:51.000 You know, spending the money on Hamas.
00:18:53.000 And these are people who are in the United States raising money for Hamas. 0.94
00:18:56.000 Great job, immigration system. 0.98
00:18:58.000 You did just great.
00:19:00.000 You did awesome.
00:19:02.000 Meanwhile, a Bexar County man in Texas has been arrested and charged federally for possessing a firearm with an obliterated serial number after he allegedly made a threat to attack the Texas state capitol.
00:19:13.000 According to court documents, a person named Benny Caldera Jr. allegedly told another individual he was going to go to the capitol and would shoot it up, specifically, who's expressing his anger toward the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee. 0.95
00:19:25.000 He said, These people have to be exterminated.
00:19:27.000 So things are going well here in the United States. 0.99
00:19:30.000 Again, a radicalized left, a perverse horseshoe right, a welfare statist, uniparty.
00:19:40.000 This is France is your future unless you say no.
00:19:43.000 France is your future unless you just say no to all of it.
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