The Ben Shapiro Show - March 12, 2019


The Revolution Eats Its Parents | Ep. 735

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Ben Shapiro delivers a speech at the University of Michigan. President Trump tweets that airplanes are too complex to fly. Nancy Pelosi battles her radical flank, President Trump comes under attack from his own base, and the battle for the tech world continues. The Ben Shapiro Show is on all of the social medias, if you search for it, you'll find us. Subscribe to the show on iTunes, and use the promo code BenShapiro to receive 20% off your first set of sheets. You can also support the show by becoming a patron patron, and get 10% off the first month with discount code: BONUS. Ben Shapiro is a comedian, bestselling author, and podcaster. He is the host of the podcast and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, NPR, and other media outlets. His work has been featured in the Hollywood Reporter, and he is one of the most influential people in the entertainment industry, including Playboy, Rolling Stone, Fast Company, and The Hollywood Reporter. The New Yorker. In this episode, he talks about what it's like to be a tech entrepreneur in Silicon Valley, and what it s like to work for a major tech company, and why he doesn t want to be an Uber driver. Plus, he explains why he thinks women should not be allowed to drive cars in the U.S. He also explains why women s bathrooms are better than men s bathrooms. and why women should be in the way men should be better than they think they should be more attractive than women sipping in the bathroom next time they go to the bathroom, and how to get a cup of water in the morning, and much more. And much, much more! Enjoy the show, and if you like it, please tell a friend about it. . Thanks for listening and tweet me what you're listening to this episode of on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe, rating, rating and review it on iTunes and reviewing it on your favorite streaming service. I'll be checking it out! and tells me what s your thoughts on it on the next episode of the show that you think it's good, and also what you think about it on Instapids and what you would like it's best listening to be listening about it? in the next one is the best thing you've listened to on your social media update! Thank you!

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00:00:00.000 Nancy Pelosi battles her radical flank.
00:00:02.000 President Trump comes under attack from his own base.
00:00:04.000 And the battle for the tech world continues.
00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:00:07.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:00:13.000 Now, I know if you're watching us right now, you are thinking, from where are you broadcasting?
00:00:17.000 And the answer is from Ann Arbor, Michigan, because I'm speaking at University of Michigan tonight.
00:00:21.000 It should be fun.
00:00:22.000 There are a bunch of counter protests that are planned, including apparently a musical about me, which sounds more interesting, frankly, than my speech.
00:00:29.000 Like I would actually attend that thing because number one, I'm deeply narcissistic.
00:00:32.000 And number two, I like musicals, so I'm totally into it.
00:00:35.000 We'll get to more on what's going to happen to University of Michigan tonight, a little bit later on in the show.
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00:01:50.000 Okay, so, I want to get to some serious news in a second, but first, I have to apprise you of a couple of very important news items, just off the wires.
00:01:57.000 So, The President of the United States has issued an official proclamation.
00:02:02.000 His official proclamation concerns airplanes.
00:02:05.000 So as you know, there's a terrible airplane crash from Ethiopia Airlines, killed like 150 people.
00:02:11.000 It was the second Boeing model to go down, it's a new model, second Boeing model to go down in a matter of the last six months.
00:02:16.000 President Trump has some thoughts.
00:02:18.000 Because President Trump, you may not have known this, President Trump is secretly an aerospace engineer.
00:02:24.000 And so the president tweeted this out today in all of his wisdom, quote, airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly.
00:02:31.000 Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT.
00:02:34.000 I see it all the time in many products.
00:02:37.000 Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler, is far better.
00:02:42.000 Split-second decisions are needed, and the complexity creates danger.
00:02:46.000 All of this for great cost, yet very little gain, I think.
00:02:49.000 I don't know about you, but I don't want Albert Einstein to be my pilot.
00:02:53.000 I want great flying professionals that are allowed to easily and quickly take control of a plane.
00:02:59.000 Thank you, Mr. President, for that announcement on the engineering of airplanes.
00:03:06.000 You know, not unprecedented, the fact is that Abraham Lincoln had some really deep thoughts about the mechanics of trains, actually, back in like 1862, so I guess it's not unusual for the President of the United States to tweet out about airplanes.
00:03:18.000 It is worth noting that last year he did tweet out that thanks to him there had been no commercial airline fatalities that year, so...
00:03:24.000 I'm not sure what that means for the president.
00:03:26.000 Again, like, is this important?
00:03:28.000 No, it's not important.
00:03:29.000 It's silly, but that's the point.
00:03:31.000 He's the president of the United States.
00:03:32.000 Should he stop tweeting about why biplanes are better than fixed wing aircraft?
00:03:36.000 Probably.
00:03:37.000 Should he stop tweeting about Albert Einstein being the pilot of his plane?
00:03:40.000 Like somewhere Elon Musk is sitting there nodding and smoking a joint.
00:03:43.000 So solid stuff from President Trump right there. 0.99
00:03:46.000 Meanwhile, in other stupid news, you know, because, you know, the news is too serious lately. 1.00
00:03:50.000 And honestly, I would rather just cover stupid news for a moment. 0.99
00:03:53.000 So in other stupid news, Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among actresses, CEOs charged in alleged college admissions scam. 0.99
00:04:01.000 So this is a madlib headline from an alternative reality. 0.98
00:04:04.000 Felicity Huffman, who you'll remember from Desperate Housewives and Lori Loughlin from Full House, have now been charged for utilizing a service that basically bribed people to get you into college.
00:04:15.000 According to ABC News, actresses and chief executives are among 50 people arrested in the nationwide college admissions cheating scam authorities announced on Tuesday.
00:04:23.000 According to charging documents, actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin are among those involved facing charges.
00:04:29.000 The suspects allegedly paid bribes of up to $6 million to get their kids into elite colleges, including Yale, Stanford, Georgetown, and USC.
00:04:38.000 One of those things is not like the others.
00:04:41.000 So in any case, listen, my sister went to USC.
00:04:45.000 I'm just a UCLA Homer.
00:04:47.000 Okay.
00:04:47.000 In most cases, the students did not know their admission was contingent on a bribe.
00:04:51.000 University athletic coaches and administrators of college entrance exams were also among those arrested.
00:04:55.000 First of all, Worth noting, if you paid like $6,000,000 to get your kid into college, your kid didn't need to pay $6,000,000 to get your kid into college.
00:05:03.000 First of all, you could just give some sort of donation to the school and they'd let your kid in.
00:05:06.000 Second of all, you have $6,000,000.
00:05:08.000 Couldn't you just put your money in a trust fund and let your kid be a ne'er-do-well?
00:05:12.000 Like all other rich parents?
00:05:14.000 ABC News says the alleged scam centered around a man in California who ran a business helping students get into the college of their choice.
00:05:20.000 Authorities say parents would pay him a predetermined amount with full knowledge of what they were doing.
00:05:24.000 He would then steer the money to one of two places, either an SAT or ACT administrator or a college athletic coach.
00:05:30.000 The coaches would allegedly arrange a fake profile that listed the prospective student as an athlete, and exam administrators would either hire proctors to take the test or correct the answers of a student.
00:05:40.000 The bribes range from a few thousand dollars up to six million dollars, according to officials.
00:05:44.000 And the charging documents unsealed in Boston Federal Court are more than 200 pages long.
00:05:48.000 I would like to find out how these kids actually did at these colleges.
00:05:51.000 Seriously, because if your kid got like an 1100 on the SATs, and then you bribed people to get them into Yale, did they fail out?
00:05:58.000 If they did not fail out, Yale isn't doing its job.
00:06:00.000 According to the authorities, Felicity Huffman and her husband made a purported charitable contribution of 15 grand to participate in the college entrance exam cheating scheme on behalf of her eldest daughter.
00:06:12.000 Huffman later made arrangements to pursue a scheme for a second time for her younger daughter before deciding not to do so.
00:06:18.000 Federal agents say they have recorded telephone calls with Huffman and a cooperating witness.
00:06:22.000 The documents say that Laughlin and her husband agreed to pay bribes totaling $500,000 in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team.
00:06:31.000 Despite the fact they did not participate in crew, thereby facilitating their admission to USC.
00:06:36.000 Officials say they have emails from Laughlin.
00:06:40.000 Okay, first of all, if you are paying like $15,000 to get into Yale, at least I understand that.
00:06:44.000 If you're paying half a million dollars to get into USC, again, not to rip on USC, but come on, gang.
00:06:50.000 $500,000 to pay to get into USC?
00:06:52.000 $1,000 to pay to get into USC.
00:06:54.000 I mean, that's like paying $200 for a Big Mac.
00:06:59.000 Listen, USC is great.
00:07:03.000 I have a lot of friends at USC.
00:07:04.000 There's a person in the room from USC who right now is on the verge of coming over and strangling me.
00:07:09.000 I'll just say that that is not getting your money's worth right there.
00:07:11.000 You're going to spend half a million dollars.
00:07:12.000 You at least want an Ivy League, right?
00:07:14.000 I mean, at least you want to get into like lower Ivy League, like Brown or something.
00:07:17.000 Come on, that's absurd.
00:07:19.000 Okay, fine.
00:07:19.000 So in real news, I know, I know.
00:07:21.000 In real news, Nancy Pelosi is now at war with her own base.
00:07:24.000 Now, this has been a long time in coming, Nancy Pelosi being at war with her base.
00:07:27.000 You knew this was coming because ever since the election of 2018, there have been some fresh faces.
00:07:33.000 Very fresh, as well as incredibly face.
00:07:36.000 And those fresh faces have made clear that they see themselves as in control of the direction of the future Congress.
00:07:42.000 And Nancy Pelosi has been playing the appeasement game. 1.00
00:07:45.000 She's basically been feeding pieces of the party to these people in the hopes that they will eat her last. 0.99
00:07:51.000 But they're not interested in eating her last.
00:07:53.000 They're interested in using her as their meat puppet. 1.00
00:07:56.000 They would prefer to use her as sort of the puppet. 1.00
00:07:59.000 They put their hand behind her head and they make her voice come out, but they are saying AOC words, which means a lot of likes and ums.
00:08:06.000 Well, now Speaker Pelosi has run afoul of this group of people.
00:08:10.000 Listen, she was willing to go so far as to let them off the hook for blatant anti-Semitism.
00:08:14.000 She was willing to water down a resolution to not include the name Ilhan Omar.
00:08:17.000 She was willing to water down the resolution to not only deal with anti-Semitism.
00:08:21.000 She was willing to go out of her way not to tap, even love tap, these young fresh faces so as to prove to them that she was actually in control.
00:08:32.000 And now they are coming for her.
00:08:33.000 They are coming for her because she has said the unsayable.
00:08:35.000 They're not going to impeach President Trump.
00:08:37.000 I know.
00:08:38.000 I know.
00:08:38.000 So, according to the New York Post, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced on Monday that she is against impeaching President Trump unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan.
00:08:48.000 Okay, well, it's that last statement, bipartisan, that got her in trouble because everybody knows the Republicans are not going to sign on to an attempt to impeach President Trump.
00:08:57.000 It's not going to happen.
00:08:58.000 There weren't any Democratic votes to impeach Bill Clinton back in the day.
00:09:02.000 The speaker is surely up to speed on what evidence Democrats actually have against Trump and has a fair sense of what special counsel Bob Mueller's report will say.
00:09:08.000 According to the Post Editorial Board, she recognizes it's nothing that will persuade anyone who hasn't wanted Trump ousted since Election Day 2016.
00:09:14.000 See, this is Nancy Pelosi being smart. 1.00
00:09:17.000 Because Nancy Pelosi recognizes that if in fact it looks like a witch hunt, if in fact it looks like she's trying to impeach Trump for non-crimes, That's going to tick off an awful lot of people.
00:09:25.000 A lot of people are going to say, well, this seems unfair.
00:09:27.000 Trump is going to loudly proclaim that he's being targeted for unfair reasons.
00:09:32.000 Moderates who are not interested in a prolonged impeachment spiel are going to get uptight with Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats.
00:09:38.000 She knows that because she is not a dum-dum. 1.00
00:09:40.000 Unfortunately, there are members of her base who in fact are dum-dums and they're very angry at her. 1.00
00:09:46.000 Very angry at her.
00:09:47.000 So that means that they are going to be attacking her.
00:09:50.000 Now, what's funny is that, again, the most militant people when it comes to the Mueller report, even they are looking forward to the Mueller report and saying, I don't think that what we've been saying is there is actually going to be there.
00:10:00.000 One of those people is Adam Schiff, the representative from my district in California, Adam Schiff, who literally has a pup tent.
00:10:09.000 Set up outside the green room at CNN so he can talk about Russia just any time of the day and call him at like one o'clock in the morning and boom, he's on a rerun of exploring the world with W. Kamel Bell.
00:10:24.000 He just sort of pops in to talk about Russia for no reason at any time of the morning.
00:10:27.000 It's like, oh, brief update on Russia.
00:10:29.000 Call Adam Schiff.
00:10:30.000 He's right outside.
00:10:31.000 Even Adam Schiff is saying, well, yeah, I'm not sure that we're going to be able to do this impeachment thing.
00:10:36.000 We don't have Senate support.
00:10:38.000 In the absence of very graphic evidence, it would be difficult to get the support in the Senate needed to make an impeachment successful.
00:10:47.000 So again, my feeling is, let's see what Bob Bullitt produces.
00:10:52.000 But the evidence will have to be pretty overwhelming.
00:10:57.000 Okay, so that is not actually going to happen, but this has ticked off the Democratic base.
00:11:01.000 The Democratic base is very angry at Nancy Pelosi.
00:11:03.000 The fresh faces of the Democratic base have come out and said that this is very bad.
00:11:07.000 We have to impeach Trump.
00:11:08.000 Don't you understand?
00:11:08.000 He's the most dangerous man alive.
00:11:10.000 So, they're not wrong.
00:11:11.000 Here's the thing.
00:11:12.000 They're not wrong, given the rhetoric of people like Nancy Pelosi.
00:11:15.000 If, in fact, Donald Trump is the most dangerous man alive, if, in fact, he's an incipient Hitler, then you have to get him out of office by any means necessary.
00:11:22.000 No matter what, you must get rid of him.
00:11:25.000 That's the idea from the Fresh Faces.
00:11:27.000 And the Fresh Faces, again, are not incorrect in their assessment of the situation.
00:11:31.000 And as we'll see, they are not shy about suggesting such.
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00:13:00.000 Alrighty, so.
00:13:02.000 The Democrats are upset, rightly so, with Nancy Pelosi.
00:13:05.000 It turns out that when you pitch your base on, we have to get rid of Hitler, they sort of want you to get rid of Hitler.
00:13:09.000 And this is why so many folks in the radical base are resonating to people like Ilhan Omar.
00:13:14.000 So Ilhan Omar, yesterday, was asked about the fact that she'd said some pretty nasty things about Barack Obama.
00:13:19.000 She made a boo-boo. 1.00
00:13:20.000 She talked to Politico, and in her interview with Politico, she said that Barack Obama was, I kid you not, a murderer with a pretty face. 0.93
00:13:27.000 She said that in her interview with Politico. 0.53
00:13:29.000 Then she tried to back off from that and say, no, no, I didn't mean that at all.
00:13:32.000 She said, I even have a recording to prove that I was misquoted.
00:13:35.000 Then she released the recording and it showed that she said exactly what she was quoted as saying.
00:13:39.000 So she doesn't understand how recordings work.
00:13:41.000 Also, the Jews must have gotten to that recording, obviously. 0.75
00:13:44.000 I mean, there's only one answer there. 0.90
00:13:45.000 So now she says, listen, When I said that Obama is inhuman, or that he's a murderer, that's not right.
00:13:53.000 He's not a murderer.
00:13:53.000 I'll tell you who's the REAL murderer.
00:13:55.000 I'll tell you who's the REAL inhuman person.
00:13:57.000 That, of course, is President Trump.
00:14:00.000 I just want to get to your side of the story.
00:14:02.000 Do you believe that Trump and Obama are the same, just different when it comes to their policies?
00:14:10.000 I understand that you refute this political story.
00:14:12.000 Could you just set the record straight so we get your side of it?
00:14:15.000 Do you think that President Obama is the same as President Trump?
00:14:18.000 Absolutely not.
00:14:19.000 That is silly to even think and equate the two.
00:14:23.000 One is human, the other is... Is it true that you just think that he's more polished than Trump? 0.99
00:14:29.000 She is such an angry person. 0.99
00:14:30.000 I mean, just forget about, you know, the suggestion is that if you say that Ilhan Omar is angry, that this is some sort of racial slur.
00:14:36.000 No, she's just an angry person. 1.00
00:14:37.000 There are lots of black folks who are not angry.
00:14:39.000 She is a Somali woman who happens to be a very angry person. 1.00
00:14:42.000 Every time you see her on tape, she's being an angry person. 0.79
00:14:45.000 Every single time.
00:14:45.000 There's a member of the media asking her a perfectly normal question about something that she says, and she starts sneering at them, and then she spits the answer at them as though she's angry at them.
00:14:54.000 There's nothing abnormal about asking her about something she said to Politico, to a reporter.
00:14:58.000 But here's the real key.
00:15:00.000 She says Trump isn't even a human being.
00:15:02.000 So she compared Obama to Trump.
00:15:03.000 She said basically they're the same, except Obama was prettier.
00:15:05.000 And now she's backtracking by saying Trump isn't even human.
00:15:07.000 Well, if you believe Trump isn't human, then why wouldn't you want to impeach him?
00:15:11.000 If you believe that he's a space alien sent to destroy the earth, presumably you'd be in favor of impeachment.
00:15:16.000 So Nancy Pelosi has now run afoul of her own base. 1.00
00:15:20.000 She's run a fa- And you're seeing it on Twitter.
00:15:21.000 You're seeing people on the left saying, Nancy Pelosi has been bought and paid for.
00:15:25.000 Something's happened to Nancy.
00:15:26.000 What happened to woke Nancy? 1.00
00:15:28.000 Here's the deal, Nancy Pelosi. 0.93
00:15:30.000 When you flirt with the radicals in your party, eventually they behead you.
00:15:33.000 That's what happens with every revolution. 0.73
00:15:35.000 Robespierre went to the guillotine.
00:15:37.000 You lead the revolution, you may not end up with your head outside the bucket.
00:15:41.000 That's the way this works.
00:15:43.000 Now, the Democrats are in fact struggling against this.
00:15:46.000 In a second, we'll get to that.
00:15:47.000 The Democrats are struggling Against this.
00:15:50.000 So, for example, you got Steini Hoyer.
00:15:52.000 Steini Hoyer is the House Minority Whip.
00:15:56.000 And he was specifically asked about the new faces, the Ilhan Omar's and the Rashida Tlaib's and the Ocasio-Cortez's.
00:16:02.000 And he says, listen, I got plenty of other people here who are represented by this party.
00:16:08.000 Why are we being dictated to by these particular ones?
00:16:11.000 He says, quote, we've got 62 new Democratic members, not three.
00:16:16.000 So he and Pelosi are trying to dismiss the power of these new members.
00:16:20.000 But the problem is those three new members are getting all the media.
00:16:22.000 And the reason they're getting all the media is because the media actually agree with these three new members.
00:16:25.000 The media would like to see President Trump impeached.
00:16:27.000 This is the problem.
00:16:29.000 If you live inside the Washington, D.C., New York beltway bubble, and I'm not just talking about people who are members of government.
00:16:36.000 I'm talking about members of the media.
00:16:37.000 If you live inside that bubble, then you and everyone you know believe that President Trump is an evil man and you believe that the Russians stole the election.
00:16:45.000 And this is why the coverage on CNN doesn't seem to reflect what the American people want to hear about very much.
00:16:49.000 It's why the ratings aren't very good.
00:16:51.000 Instead, it seems to reflect the sensibilities of people who spend all day ensconced in this stuff and deeply worried about the evils of President Trump.
00:16:59.000 Well, who mirrors those worries more than Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and AOC?
00:17:04.000 The answer is none of them.
00:17:06.000 None of these other 62 members mirror those worries better.
00:17:09.000 And so Nancy Pelosi has a problem. 1.00
00:17:10.000 Nancy Pelosi, believe it or not, understands the voter in Ohio better than the reporters on CNN. 0.68
00:17:15.000 Nancy Pelosi understands the voters in Ohio better than Rashida Tlaib, who is from Michigan, or Ilhan Omar, who is from Minnesota, or AOC.
00:17:24.000 These are all from extraordinarily blue districts.
00:17:27.000 In which all their supporters pat them on the back for saying incredibly radical things.
00:17:30.000 They are in bubbles.
00:17:31.000 Nancy Pelosi is in a bubble of her own in San Francisco, but Nancy Pelosi hasn't actually been the representative from San Francisco for a long time.
00:17:38.000 She's been at the head of the Democratic Party establishment in the House of Representatives. 0.99
00:17:42.000 She's been the head of it since 2006.
00:17:43.000 She's been in that position of power for 12 years. 0.99
00:17:46.000 That's a long time to hear from various Congress people all over America and what their constituents are looking for.
00:17:53.000 But what those people are looking for may in fact be at war with the radicals.
00:17:57.000 And this is a problem not only for Democrats in Congress, it's a problem for Democrats across the board.
00:18:02.000 For example, in the 2020 election.
00:18:05.000 It means that anybody who is perceived as even remotely moderate is immediately going to be cast out.
00:18:10.000 That's why I think that right now, Bernie Sanders is the leader coming around the turn in the Democratic primaries.
00:18:15.000 Now it's still very early.
00:18:16.000 Obviously a lot can happen, but there are a lot of folks who are trying to say that Joe Biden is the guy who's going to take the nomination.
00:18:22.000 I don't see that.
00:18:23.000 I don't see Joe Biden taking the nomination.
00:18:25.000 I think he'd be the one who, I think they'd be smart to nominate Joe Biden.
00:18:28.000 I think if you're talking about somebody who is most likely to win Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin, all three states, Democrats need to win.
00:18:36.000 If, if I think that that Biden is the guy who's most likely to win those states.
00:18:42.000 But the problem is that Biden is not the guy who's most likely to win these primaries.
00:18:46.000 His best day will be the first day he declares.
00:18:48.000 The day that Joe Biden declares, there'll be all sorts of media.
00:18:51.000 He'll see a little bump in the polls.
00:18:52.000 He'll go up from whatever it is, 28% to 33%, and then he'll start coming down again.
00:18:56.000 Why?
00:18:57.000 Because he's apt to be torn apart by both the progressive wing and the intersectional wing of the democratic party.
00:19:04.000 Leading the battle on the intersectional side is Jamel Bouie.
00:19:07.000 Jamel Bouie is a columnist formerly for Slate, now for the New York Times.
00:19:11.000 He has a column today called The Trouble with Biden.
00:19:13.000 And it is a good reminder of why it is that the Democrats are unlikely to nominate somebody like Joe Biden who is in any way moderate.
00:19:20.000 Here's what Jamal Bowie writes.
00:19:21.000 He says, As they begin their search for a nominee, most Democrats prize electability above all else.
00:19:26.000 They want a sure thing, someone who will beat President Trump.
00:19:29.000 But beating Trump isn't the same as beating Trumpism.
00:19:31.000 Unseating the president won't automatically undermine the white resentment and racial chauvinism that drive his movement.
00:19:37.000 That will depend on the nature of the campaign against him and whether it challenges the assumptions of his ideology or affirms them in the name of electoral pragmatism.
00:19:45.000 So this is Jamel Bui making the case against Joe Biden by basically saying that Biden is another Trump when it comes to issues of race.
00:19:51.000 Again, Biden is going to get savaged on all sides here, guys.
00:19:54.000 His association with President Obama will not save him and the chances that Obama endorses him in a primary are exceedingly low.
00:20:01.000 Jamel Bui says the possibility of defeating Trump without defeating Trumpism looms over Joe Biden's possible run for the 2020 Democratic nomination.
00:20:09.000 The former VP's not-yet-candidacy centers on his appeal to the white, blue-collar workers who rejected Hillary Clinton in favor of Donald Trump.
00:20:15.000 He believes he could have won them in 2016, and he thinks he can win them now.
00:20:19.000 This isn't just about Biden's working-class affect.
00:20:21.000 As a senator from Delaware, Biden understood himself as a staunch defender of middle American interests.
00:20:26.000 But those interests were racialized, which is how a younger Biden could at once be a committed liberal and an ardent opponent of busing to desegregate his state's public schools.
00:20:33.000 So now Jamal Bui is making the case better to lose an election by ignoring those white blue collar folks than to pander to those white blue collar folks with anything approaching moderation.
00:20:41.000 And he uses as his example of Joe Biden being a racist Biden's opposition to forced busing.
00:20:46.000 Now, forced busing is a battle we haven't had in the United States for 50 years.
00:20:50.000 I mean, really, this goes back to the 1960s and 1970s.
00:20:52.000 In the aftermath of Brown v. Board of Education and the aftermath of the Civil Rights Act, there were a series of pieces of legislation and court rulings that suggested that people would be bused from certain schools to other schools.
00:21:05.000 So you wouldn't actually go to the school in your school district.
00:21:07.000 If your school district was predominantly black, then maybe you would be bused out from that school district To a white school district, or if there was a white school district that seemed to be better than a black school district in terms of population, in terms of scores, for example, but I mean a black school district in terms of its population of black students, then you would have white students bust in from the suburbs to black public schools. 0.77
00:21:29.000 Now there's a strong case on libertarian grounds that forcing children to go to schools where they have no local connection is actually wrong.
00:21:38.000 There's also a good case on practical grounds that this actually caused white flight.
00:21:42.000 That what actually happened is that white folks didn't want their kids going to worse public schools because it turned out that a lot of these schools that were worse in terms of performance also happened to be heavily minority thanks to decades of underfunding and thanks to social problems and all the rest of this.
00:21:56.000 And so a lot of white folks picked up and they moved out even further to the suburbs.
00:22:00.000 That it caused urban sprawl.
00:22:01.000 That it caused people to leave.
00:22:02.000 That it didn't actually make the education system any better. 0.86
00:22:06.000 But Jamel Bui says that if you opposed forced busing then you're a racist and you were catering to white racists.
00:22:11.000 So he specifically points out the fact that Joe Biden in 1975 said, I do not buy the concept popular in the 60s, which said we have suppressed the black man for 300 years and the white man is now far ahead in the race for everything our society offers.
00:22:24.000 In order to even the score, we must now give the black man a head start or even hold the white man back to even the race. 0.79
00:22:28.000 I don't buy that.
00:22:30.000 And and Jamel Bowie says Biden made his argument using language that is still common to opponents of efforts to rectify racial inequality.
00:22:36.000 I don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather.
00:22:38.000 I feel responsible for the situation today for the sins of my own generation.
00:22:42.000 And I'll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago.
00:22:45.000 Jamel Bowie says busing did its job, integrating schools and improving outcomes for black students.
00:22:50.000 But many whites viewed it as an encroachment on the privileges afforded them in a racially stratified society.
00:22:55.000 What W.E.B.
00:22:56.000 Dubois called a psychological wage given as compensation for racial solidarity.
00:23:00.000 These Americans thought they could keep black children out of their schools and neighborhoods.
00:23:03.000 Busing meant they couldn't and they were angry.
00:23:06.000 Well, no, sometimes busing actually happened in reverse.
00:23:08.000 Sometimes it was white kids being bused into schools where they didn't have any friends, where they didn't have any community.
00:23:14.000 The opposition to forced busing was, in part, opposition to force.
00:23:18.000 Now, I'm all in favor of greater racial integration.
00:23:20.000 I'm not in favor of forced integration.
00:23:22.000 There is a difference between desegregation and forced integration.
00:23:25.000 This was a legitimate argument.
00:23:26.000 It was had in the 60s and the 1970s.
00:23:28.000 There's a very good book on this by a legal scholar from the University of Texas named Lino Graglia.
00:23:33.000 Came out maybe 15, 20 years ago.
00:23:36.000 In essence, the notion that you oppose forced busing, therefore you are a racist, or therefore you are pandering to racial concerns, per se, it doesn't necessarily follow.
00:23:44.000 But the broader point for Joe Biden is this.
00:23:46.000 Dude's going to get savaged.
00:23:48.000 Joe Biden has a problem.
00:23:49.000 The base of the Democratic Party is more in line with the views of Jamal Bowie and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez than they are with Joe Biden.
00:23:57.000 In just a second, we're going to talk about how President Trump has some of these problems of his own.
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00:25:31.000 Well, President Trump theoretically could have some problems from his own base.
00:25:33.000 The difference is that most people who voted for President Trump voted to stop Democrats in the first place.
00:25:39.000 Democrats right now are voting to forward leftist goals.
00:25:42.000 Republicans are voting to stand athwart the rails of history, shouting stop at radical Democrats.
00:25:47.000 And this is where President Trump has some benefit.
00:25:49.000 This is why Ann Coulter's opposition is not probably going to have any significant impact on President Trump.
00:25:56.000 So Ann Coulter is now ripping President Trump. 0.99
00:25:59.000 The author of In Trump We Trust is very angry at him because she says that he has not fulfilled his promises on immigration.
00:26:06.000 According to the Palm Beach Post, Ann Coulter said it's hard to find people she can talk to now that she's directed her scorching criticism on President Trump and his failure to build a US-Mexico border wall.
00:26:16.000 She said it's frustrating. 0.93
00:26:17.000 I can't talk to Trump detractors because, as the subtitle to my last book indicated, they're insane. 0.78
00:26:22.000 I can't talk to the Trump flatterers because they think, as soon as it comes out of his mouth, it has happened. 0.54
00:26:26.000 No, he's an excellent talker.
00:26:27.000 It's just when it comes to doing anything that he falls down on the job. 0.82
00:26:30.000 She said Trump may be a shallow, narcissistic conman, but that does not mean the enemy are not the enemy of the people.
00:26:35.000 Both things can be true. 0.95
00:26:37.000 So she's been very angry at President Trump.
00:26:39.000 He called her wacky this week.
00:26:42.000 He said, I don't know why he doesn't just ignore me.
00:26:44.000 He doesn't mind ignoring the rest of his base.
00:26:47.000 Coulter compared Trump to President George H.W.
00:26:49.000 Bush, who lost in 1992 after not building the wall.
00:26:52.000 She said the first George Bush, for example, read my lips, no new taxes.
00:26:54.000 He said at one time at the convention, Trump talked about building the wall at least once a day for 18 months.
00:26:58.000 If the wall supporting Trump base isn't energized in 2020, Coulter said, the nightmare scenario is the Democrats and they have gone mad. 0.65
00:27:06.000 They elect somebody completely crazy, just wild left wing.
00:27:08.000 Now, here's the thing about what Ann is saying. 0.95
00:27:13.000 Trump was always predicated, the rise of Trump was always predicated on the argument that Hillary would be worse.
00:27:19.000 And this is still the response you get, like if you make fun of Trump tweeting about airplanes, you get, what, you'd rather have Hillary?
00:27:25.000 It's like, no, I didn't say I'd rather have Hillary, I think it's funny that Trump is tweeting about airplane technology.
00:27:30.000 Get over it.
00:27:30.000 But there is a contingent of people, it's very large, and I would say it's most of the Republican base, that supports Trump not because they are deeply in love with everything that President Trump does, but because they wanted to stop Hillary Clinton and now they can't stand the cognitive dissonance of he's not giving them everything they want.
00:27:45.000 So a lot of folks have convinced themselves that President Trump has already built the wall, that America has already been made great again, and all of the rest.
00:27:52.000 Colters, please, in other words, are falling on deaf ears. 0.92
00:27:55.000 And this is one of the problems for actual conservatives.
00:27:57.000 One of the problems for actual conservatives is that if you are worried about the forwarding of conservatism, the forwarding of conservatism means more than simply stopping the left.
00:28:05.000 Stopping the left is a worthwhile goal.
00:28:08.000 The radicalism of the left should be stopped.
00:28:10.000 But if you actually want to save conservatism, if you want to promote conservatism, then you have to do more than simply not doing what the Democrats want.
00:28:18.000 For example, you probably shouldn't be cheering on the president who just proposed a $4.75 trillion budget, the largest budget in American history, by a long shot.
00:28:28.000 President Trump sent Congress on Monday a record $4.75 trillion budget plan that calls for increased military spending and sharp cuts to domestic programs like education and environmental protection for the 2020 fiscal year.
00:28:42.000 Mr. Trump's budget, the largest in federal history, includes a nearly 5% increase in military spending, more than the Pentagon had asked for, and an additional $8.6 billion for construction of a wall along the border with Mexico.
00:28:52.000 This budget, like all budgets that have been submitted for the last decade or so, is dead on arrival.
00:28:56.000 Democratic Congress ain't gonna pass anything like it.
00:28:58.000 It contains what the White House officials called a total of $1.9 trillion in cost savings from mandatory safety net programs like Medicaid and Medicare, the federal health care programs for the elderly and the poor.
00:29:08.000 This has caused the left to cry that President Trump is trying to cut Medicaid and Medicare.
00:29:12.000 That is not true.
00:29:13.000 He is growing Medicare and Medicaid, but at slower rates than the left would have him do.
00:29:17.000 One of the tricker pieces of trickery that you will see from the mainstream media is they will say that if I was supposed to spend $200 next year and instead I spend $150 next year that I have somehow cut my spending.
00:29:29.000 No, because I haven't spent any of that money yet.
00:29:31.000 So I've actually increased my spending by $150 next year.
00:29:34.000 I have not saved $50.
00:29:36.000 Every time the media talk about savings, cost savings, by cutting future spending from expected spending, this is the same as when my wife goes to Costco, buys 8 million, 8 million paper plates.
00:29:49.000 Legitimate and like has a truck come and deliver them and dump them off and spends 1 million dollars on these 8 million paper plates and then tells me that she saved me a million dollars because if she had bought the paper plate somewhere else they would have been twice as expensive.
00:30:00.000 That's not how this works.
00:30:02.000 The budget is unlikely to have much effect on actual spending levels, which are controlled by Congress.
00:30:06.000 Democratic leaders in both the House and Senate pronounce the budget DOA, but the blueprint is a declaration of Trump's re-election campaign priorities and the starting skirmish in the race for 2020.
00:30:14.000 Frankly, I'm not even sure why President Trump bothered to try and cut future spending or make cost savings in Medicare and Medicaid.
00:30:21.000 I don't even know why he bothered to do that.
00:30:23.000 So long as we know the budgets aren't going to pass, he should just propose a $10 trillion budget, and then he can compete with Democrats.
00:30:28.000 Then he can say, listen, I want to do all the things that you want to do, Except I'm not crazy.
00:30:33.000 And he would look sane by contrast.
00:30:35.000 But the broader point is this.
00:30:37.000 Trump stopping the left, not the same thing as Trump forwarding good things.
00:30:41.000 And you're seeing that blowback from, for example, former Vice President Dick Cheney.
00:30:45.000 Dick Cheney is back on the road.
00:30:48.000 He did a discussion with Vice President Mike Pence and things started to go wildly wrong.
00:30:53.000 There's a closed-door retreat hosted by the American Enterprise Institute in Sea Island, Georgia and Cheney respectfully but repeatedly and firmly pressed Mike Pence on a number of the president's foreign policy moves over which Cheney expressed concerns from taking a harder line toward U.S.
00:31:06.000 allies in NATO to deciding to withdraw troops from Syria during what Cheney fretted was the middle of a telephone call.
00:31:12.000 Cheney worried aloud to Pence, we're getting into a situation where our friends and allies around the world that we depend on are going to lack confidence in us.
00:31:18.000 And then offered a blunt assessment of the current administration's response to foreign policy challenges.
00:31:23.000 Cheney said, I worry that the bottom line of that kind of an approach is we have an administration that looks a lot more like Barack Obama than Ronald Reagan.
00:31:31.000 Cheney's questions for Pence provided a revealing glimpse into the churning and often strained debates inside the Republican Party, where longtime GOP hawks such as Cheney have increasingly balked at Trump's engagement with autocrats and his non-interventionist approach But here is the reality.
00:31:44.000 The reality is that some of those criticisms are legitimate, just as some of Ann Coulter's criticisms are legit.
00:31:48.000 I know a lot of Trump supporters, because they feel like stopping the left is the top priority, are going to shrug at all of Cheney's criticisms.
00:31:54.000 But here is the reality.
00:31:57.000 The reality is that some of those criticisms are legitimate, just as some of Ann Coulter's criticisms are legit.
00:32:01.000 You can have it both ways.
00:32:02.000 You can have it both ways.
00:32:05.000 Way one, must oppose the left. 0.83
00:32:07.000 Maybe that means voting for President Trump.
00:32:09.000 Way two, President Trump needs to do a better job.
00:32:12.000 Less tweeting about airplanes, more wall building, for example.
00:32:15.000 Okay, in just a second, I'm gonna get to Tucker Carlson, who is battling back against media matters.
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00:33:56.000 OK, so Tucker Carlson has been attacked, of course, by Media Matters.
00:33:59.000 They came out with a second spate of bad things Tucker Carlson said back in 2007.
00:34:03.000 And when I say bad things, I don't mean to say that they are not bad things.
00:34:06.000 They are indeed bad things that Tucker Carlson said back in 2007. 0.86
00:34:10.000 He talked about how Iraqis were, he suggested that they were illiterate monkeys or something like that. 0.98
00:34:16.000 And he was, and he dropped an F-bomb, this F-bomb, not, not the, the curse word, but the, the F-word that is a slur for gay people. 0.99
00:34:25.000 He did all of this in these silly appearances on the Bubba the Love Sponge show. 0.97
00:34:30.000 And as I said yesterday, two things can be true at once.
00:34:33.000 One, Tucker Carlson said some stuff I don't like and I think is ugly back in 2006-2007.
00:34:38.000 Stuff that I find morally reprehensible.
00:34:40.000 Also, a world in which we are digging up old stuff that people said and then trying to ruin them for it is an ugly world.
00:34:46.000 And many of the people who are pretending to be outraged at Tucker Carlson's comments are not in fact outraged at Tucker Carlson's comments.
00:34:52.000 Many of them are actually quite excited by Tucker Carlson's comments being unearthed so they can go after his advertisers.
00:34:58.000 Today, here's what a good faith discussion of Tucker Carlson's old comments would look like.
00:35:01.000 Tucker Carlson, we came up with this old audio.
00:35:04.000 Do you still agree with this?
00:35:05.000 Do you regret having said this?
00:35:07.000 Tucker Carlson probably says something like, yeah, I probably shouldn't have said all that stuff.
00:35:11.000 I don't agree with any of that stuff.
00:35:12.000 I was on a shock jock radio show.
00:35:15.000 Get over the fact that it's a shock jock radio show.
00:35:16.000 Shock jock radio existed in the 2000s and the game of shock jock radio was to say the most shocking thing to the shock jock.
00:35:23.000 That was the game of shock jock radio.
00:35:26.000 That's just the reality of the situation.
00:35:27.000 That's how a good faith conversation would go.
00:35:29.000 But that's not how the conversation actually goes today.
00:35:31.000 The way the conversation actually goes is that people who want Tucker Carlson off the air go and spend a hundred hours unearthing bad stuff that Tucker Carlson said that nobody remembers and that no one cared about at the time.
00:35:42.000 And then they bring it back so that some people earnestly become outraged and then most people in the political space are not outraged but say that Tucker Carlson should have to pay the price for the stuff that he said 10 years ago, so his advertisers today on Fox News, who have nothing to do with those old comments, should be punished.
00:35:57.000 This is the move that is being made today, and it's ugly, and it's gross, and as I have said before, I think that it is bad whether it is applied to Sarah Jeong of the New York Times, or whether it is applied to Kevin Hart, the black comedian who was ousted from the Oscars, or whether this is applied to pretty much anybody.
00:36:14.000 I don't like the idea of ruining people's careers based on old stuff that they've said.
00:36:18.000 Now, if you want to ask them about it and then they re-up, then we can talk about whether there should be repercussions.
00:36:23.000 Or if, for example, they say something new today, like Roseanne Barr said something new.
00:36:29.000 That's a new thing she said, so we get to react in real time to what she said.
00:36:32.000 What we don't get to do is look for excuses to be upset about stuff that was said 20 years ago, Without considering the possibility that maybe it was said in a different context, in a society that didn't mind incendiary things being said quite as much, or the idea that perhaps this person doesn't agree with stuff that they said a while ago because people changed their minds on things.
00:36:51.000 Well.
00:36:52.000 One of the more amusing aspects of this is watching these so-called objective media simply rip their masks off and go full-scale Dracula on Tucker Carlson.
00:37:00.000 I mean, climb through his bedroom window and try to sink those fangs in. 1.00
00:37:03.000 Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon, very objective news journalism-ing over on CNN.
00:37:07.000 They say that, really, Tucker deserves this because, after all, Tucker doesn't tell the truth on a daily basis, so that means that Tucker deserves anything he gets.
00:37:16.000 If we make a mistake or if we say something that's controversial and we want to stand by it, we back it up with the facts behind it, right?
00:37:22.000 This is why we said it.
00:37:24.000 You may not like it.
00:37:25.000 You may think it's biased, whatever.
00:37:27.000 These are the facts.
00:37:28.000 As journalists, we have to give you the facts.
00:37:30.000 Here's my thing.
00:37:31.000 We're all on television live with no filter. 0.98
00:37:35.000 Many times there's nothing in that camera, no words, and we all screw up and we say dumb things.
00:37:40.000 But when you do, when something becomes a pattern and you don't tell the truth on a daily basis, That's a problem.
00:37:47.000 Okay, but that's not what we're talking about here.
00:37:48.000 We're not talking about Tucker said something in real time now and he screwed up and then he didn't apologize for it.
00:37:53.000 We're talking about Tucker said something back when George W. Bush was president and he's not apologizing for it now because he understands that an apology will be taken as a sign of weakness and then people will simply use it as a way to club him over the head.
00:38:05.000 Look, even Tucker realizes he said something very, very bad because the next step, as I've said repeatedly on this program, the next step is never, oh, he apologized for it, I guess we'll move on.
00:38:14.000 The next step from the left is typically, Oh, he said that he apologized for it.
00:38:18.000 That means he acknowledges it was bad.
00:38:20.000 He never should have made the mistake in the first place.
00:38:22.000 He never should have said that bad thing.
00:38:23.000 Let's punish him now since he wasn't punished then.
00:38:26.000 Being retroactively punishing people for stuff that they said 15 years ago that they disagree with now is pretty insane.
00:38:34.000 It really is pretty wild.
00:38:35.000 And again, what we have right now in our society is not a shortage of outrage.
00:38:40.000 We have a surplus of outrage.
00:38:41.000 So a lot of people who are saying things like, well, I'm outraged now about stuff that Tucker said.
00:38:46.000 Okay.
00:38:46.000 You can be outraged.
00:38:47.000 You can be outraged, but let's not pretend that this is not mostly manufactured outrage for a political end.
00:38:53.000 So I was asked today, you know, when it came to Ralph Northam, there was very little consideration of a friend of mine asked me this on the left.
00:39:01.000 And she asked, okay, well, Ralph Northam, governor of Virginia, who was... an old yearbook photo of him was unearthed, in which there was a guy in blackface and a guy in a KKK outfit.
00:39:10.000 It was unearthed by Big League Politics, which is a right-wing, sort of radical-right site.
00:39:15.000 So, why weren't people asking about their motivations in unearthing this stuff?
00:39:19.000 As opposed to this case, where we've gone hard after Media Matters.
00:39:23.000 Because Media Matters is, in fact, a 501c3 organization specifically dedicated to destroying anyone on the right.
00:39:30.000 There are a couple reasons why this is different.
00:39:33.000 Reason number one.
00:39:34.000 Reason number one.
00:39:35.000 Ralph Northam's an elected official.
00:39:37.000 Opposition research is regularly done on elected officials.
00:39:39.000 It is supposed to give more information to the voters.
00:39:41.000 So we don't tend to look at the motivations of the people uncovering that stuff.
00:39:45.000 We understand that oppo research is a regular part of politics.
00:39:47.000 Oppo research is not the same thing when it comes to the world of media.
00:39:50.000 This notion that you're going to uncover everything bad that George Stephanopoulos has ever done and then use it to destroy him is considered more of an attempt to invade a private person's business than it is anything else.
00:40:01.000 Secondly, Media Matters bills itself as an objective uncoverer of news, a media watchdog.
00:40:07.000 That's not what they do.
00:40:08.000 Instead, they cover for folks on the left.
00:40:10.000 They said that nobody should go after Joy Reid for exactly the same kind of stuff, and they try to ruin people on the right, and more importantly, they try to ruin the advertisers that are tangentially associated with people On whose shows they are advertising.
00:40:22.000 That wrecks the entire industry.
00:40:23.000 That has ramifications far beyond, here's a politician who did a bad thing, now what should the politician do?
00:40:27.000 So we're going to get to Tucker's response here in just one second.
00:40:32.000 First, I would note that Chris Cuomo, again, so much objective journalism. 0.96
00:40:36.000 He comes out and he says, Tucker Carlson is a coward. 0.99
00:40:38.000 He says Tucker is a coward. 0.99
00:40:39.000 Now what makes Tucker a coward? 0.95
00:40:41.000 It makes Tucker a coward that Tucker hasn't doubled down on his old statements.
00:40:45.000 Why would Tucker double down on his old statements?
00:40:46.000 He said them on a shock jock radio show.
00:40:49.000 I don't know that Tucker agrees with them. 0.67
00:40:52.000 We'll get to Tucker's response in just a second, but here is very objective journalism-ing block of wood, dumber Cuomo brother, Chris Cuomo on CNN, suggesting that Tucker Carlson is a coward because he wants to catch him in a Catch-22. 0.86
00:41:03.000 The Catch-22 is, if Tucker apologizes, it's because Tucker is evil, and if Tucker doesn't apologize, it's because Tucker is evil. 0.82
00:41:08.000 Here's Chris Cuomo making that case.
00:41:10.000 Now a lot of this stuff that's coming up, at least about Carlson, is from years ago, when he was desperate for attention.
00:41:16.000 Here's the test.
00:41:18.000 Would he say the same things today?
00:41:19.000 No, no.
00:41:21.000 He's too busy playing the victim.
00:41:23.000 He'd only say that he was naughty.
00:41:25.000 But he wouldn't repeat them tonight.
00:41:27.000 Why not?
00:41:28.000 Come on, big man.
00:41:30.000 Read the list of all the things that you said and do it again and show that you mean it.
00:41:36.000 Come on, you're not more about the money now than you are about the truth, are you?
00:41:41.000 He says apologizing to the mob costs people their jobs. 1.00
00:41:46.000 What a coward! 0.99
00:41:48.000 Okay, why is that cowardly? 1.00
00:41:49.000 That is true.
00:41:50.000 Apologizing to the mob very often does cost people their jobs.
00:41:54.000 Apologizing to people you've hurt is one thing.
00:41:56.000 Apologizing to a bunch of folks on Twitter who don't give a damn, that's another.
00:41:59.000 If they want to point to the person, like here's, for example, he made some comments about a guy named Warren Jeffs.
00:42:04.000 Warren Jeffs was convicted of facilitating rape.
00:42:08.000 And Tucker made some comments about how this guy was not actually guilty of facilitating rape.
00:42:12.000 Now, if victims of Warren Jeffs came forward and said, that's really offensive to me, and Tucker then came forward and apologized to them, that is a discreet victim to whom Tucker presumably owes an apology.
00:42:23.000 But if it's just some rando at Media Matters who hates Tucker Carlson and wants an apology from him on a daily basis, that's silly.
00:42:28.000 And that's basically what Tucker said.
00:42:30.000 Tucker gave a monologue last night.
00:42:31.000 He said, you know what, I'd offer an explanation or an apology, but I know that the people who are coming after me don't care about an explanation or apology.
00:42:38.000 And listen, I'm not in the business of questioning people's motives, but when it comes to media matters, I don't have to question their motives.
00:42:43.000 They've made them absolutely clear.
00:42:44.000 When it comes to people like Chris Cuomo, do you think Chris Cuomo is really angry that Tucker Carlson said this stuff in 2007?
00:42:50.000 Or is he gleeful that now this stuff has been uncovered?
00:42:53.000 Those two clips of Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo alone demonstrate the truth.
00:42:58.000 They think that Tucker Carlson's a bad guy and a liar, and so they are happy this stuff came up.
00:43:02.000 Do you think Tucker owes Chris Cuomo an apology?
00:43:05.000 Why?
00:43:05.000 If so, why?
00:43:06.000 Anyway, here was Tucker's response.
00:43:08.000 One of the only places left in the United States where independent thoughts are allowed is right here.
00:43:14.000 The opinion hours on this network.
00:43:17.000 Just a few hours in a sea of television programming.
00:43:20.000 It's not much, relatively speaking.
00:43:21.000 For the left, it's unacceptable.
00:43:24.000 They demand total conformity.
00:43:26.000 Fox News is behind us, as they have been since the very first day.
00:43:30.000 Toughness is a rare quality of the TV network, and we are grateful for that.
00:43:34.000 We've always apologized when we're wrong, and we'll continue to do that.
00:43:37.000 That's what decent people do.
00:43:38.000 They apologize.
00:43:40.000 But we will never bow to the mob.
00:43:43.000 Okay, and that seems like an appropriate response right there.
00:43:46.000 That last point is an appropriate response.
00:43:48.000 You apologize when you're wrong. 0.93
00:43:49.000 I have a running list on my website, Daily Wire, of all the dumb, bad things I've ever said.
00:43:54.000 I've issued apologies directly to people who I feel like I have offended, to who I have wronged, because it's not just about them being offended.
00:44:01.000 It's about me doing something wrong.
00:44:03.000 I've apologized to lots of people in my time.
00:44:06.000 But I'm not going to apologize to Media Matters for anything.
00:44:09.000 Those people can go take a long walk off a short pier, to use the clean version of what I would say.
00:44:16.000 And again, there is an agenda here.
00:44:17.000 There is, in fact, an agenda here.
00:44:19.000 And you can see the agenda.
00:44:20.000 And it's not just restricted to media matters.
00:44:21.000 There's an attempt by some folks on the left to still voices that they simply don't like.
00:44:25.000 I'll give you another example.
00:44:26.000 So, there's an interview on a podcast called The Recode Decode between Kara Swisher of Recode and Susan Wojcicki of YouTube.
00:44:35.000 She's the CEO of YouTube.
00:44:36.000 Now, I've invited Miss Washkiki on my Sunday special. 0.95
00:44:39.000 She has not responded.
00:44:40.000 I don't expect her to respond.
00:44:42.000 I'd be surprised if she does.
00:44:43.000 I'd be more than happy to have her.
00:44:44.000 We've asked on Jack Dorsey on our Sunday special ahead of Twitter.
00:44:47.000 He has said that he has not had time.
00:44:48.000 He's had time to go get mosquito bitten in a random cave in Malaysia, but showing up on one of the biggest podcasts in America, not so much to answer some tough questions.
00:44:59.000 In any case, this exchange is pretty telling.
00:45:01.000 So Kara Swisher, How's it going?
00:45:03.000 Hope everything's going well.
00:45:04.000 She's very angry, apparently, that her son likes to watch our videos.
00:45:07.000 Shout out to Kara Swisher's son.
00:45:09.000 How's it going?
00:45:10.000 Hope everything's going well.
00:45:11.000 Thanks for listening.
00:45:12.000 Kara Swisher, very, very angry that her son listens to the show, and in fact goes so far as to suggest that perhaps YouTube should change its algorithms so that her son shouldn't be able to find our videos, or perhaps we should even be kicked off of YouTube. - My son, who's 13 years old, started watching Ben Shapiro videos. who's 13 years old, started watching Ben Shapiro videos.
00:45:30.000 And he's like the gateway drug to the next group.
00:45:33.000 And then it goes right to Jordan Peterson, then it goes down, and in three clicks, he was at neo-Nazi stuff.
00:45:38.000 It was, like, astonishing.
00:45:39.000 And then I had to listen to it at dinner.
00:45:41.000 And then I've got, like, this kid who's like, well, Ben Shapiro's sort of smart.
00:45:44.000 I'm like, no, he's not.
00:45:45.000 No, he's not.
00:45:45.000 Not even slightly.
00:45:48.000 He's clever, but he's an idiot. 1.00
00:45:49.000 Anyway, it's exhausting. 1.00
00:45:51.000 But it has a huge effect on them.
00:45:53.000 There's a set of content that has to meet the community guidelines.
00:45:56.000 Ben Shapiro's going to meet the community guidelines.
00:45:58.000 So I don't think you're suggesting that we remove him from the platform.
00:46:00.000 Are you?
00:46:01.000 I would, but I can't.
00:46:04.000 I would, but I can't.
00:46:05.000 That tells you everything that you need to know about a lot of the folks on the left.
00:46:09.000 I would, but I can't.
00:46:10.000 And so, people try to find other ways of knocking people offline.
00:46:14.000 They try to find other ways of downgrading.
00:46:15.000 They try to find excuses to say that certain videos don't meet community guidelines on YouTube, or that Facebook ought to downgrade particular content, or that advertisers ought to pull off of programs.
00:46:26.000 The left isn't interested, at least many on the radical left are not interested in an exchange, a free and open exchange of ideas.
00:46:32.000 They are interested in shutting down those ideas.
00:46:34.000 I'll be at University of Michigan tonight.
00:46:37.000 The history department at the University of Michigan is putting on some sort of counter-event to my event at the University of Michigan.
00:46:43.000 Something about dilettantes in history and the power of the enwightenment.
00:46:49.000 I mean, this is the actual title of what they are talking about.
00:46:52.000 Let me find the exact title of the panel.
00:46:54.000 The panel is titled something like, When Provocateurs Dabble in History, Ben Shapiro and the Enwightenment.
00:47:00.000 Featuring speakers and panelists responding to my attacks on campuses and academia, along with my new history book, The Right Side of History.
00:47:06.000 How Reason and Moral Purpose Made the West Great.
00:47:07.000 Go buy it right now.
00:47:08.000 It's surging up the charts as we speak.
00:47:12.000 I'm not sure how they're going to critique my book.
00:47:14.000 It's not out till next week.
00:47:15.000 I don't know that they have an advanced copy.
00:47:17.000 If they do, I'd wonder how and why they wanted one.
00:47:20.000 But it is demonstrative of the fact that they don't actually want to have a discussion.
00:47:23.000 They could just show up to my discussion and then they could ask questions.
00:47:27.000 We could have a respectful conversation.
00:47:29.000 In fact, some of the folks who are speaking at this thing sound like they've done interesting work.
00:47:32.000 So I frankly kind of want to hear from Dean Angela Diller, for example.
00:47:36.000 She wrote a book about multicultural conservatism.
00:47:38.000 I think it could be kind of interesting.
00:47:39.000 But instead, they've decided to directly counter-program my speech because they don't want people showing up to my speech.
00:47:45.000 Fortunately, nobody cares.
00:47:46.000 They have like 31 RSVPs and we have 4200 people on a waitlist for an event that already has 1200 people coming.
00:47:52.000 But the bottom line is this.
00:47:54.000 For too many folks on the left, this is true of Media Matters.
00:47:57.000 It's true of a lot of tech companies.
00:47:58.000 They're more interested in shutting down other sides of the debate than they are in actually having the discussion.
00:48:03.000 And if they can't do it by simply doing it directly, instead they will seek other excuses.
00:48:08.000 And that means digging up everything old that you've ever said and trying to destroy you with it.
00:48:12.000 These are people who are looking to hurt you.
00:48:14.000 These aren't people who are looking to purify the public debate.
00:48:17.000 Tucker made a point.
00:48:17.000 He said, listen, at least the old Puritans wanted to purify the public space.
00:48:20.000 The left doesn't want to purify the public space.
00:48:22.000 They just want to get rid of people with whom they disagree.
00:48:25.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.
00:48:28.000 So, things that I like.
00:48:30.000 There's a new version of Papillon, the movie that originally featured Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.
00:48:35.000 The new version is fine.
00:48:36.000 It's okay.
00:48:38.000 Charlie Hunnam stars in the title role, and Rami Malek stars as Louis Degas, who is sort of the forger.
00:48:44.000 For folks who don't remember the story of Papillon, there is supposedly, the story is probably mostly fiction, there is a guy who is convicted of murder and was sent to French Guiana and then to Devil's Island, and he escaped after a bunch of years and ended up writing a best-selling book about all of this.
00:49:00.000 That became a movie with Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.
00:49:02.000 So I could recommend the one with Charlie Hunnam and Rami Malek, but it's mostly just okay.
00:49:06.000 Instead, I'll recommend the original with Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman.
00:49:09.000 Here's a little bit of that trailer.
00:49:10.000 After five years as an international bestseller, it comes to the screen.
00:49:23.000 Unquestionably, the greatest adventure of escape ever filmed.
00:49:31.000 Steve McQueen.
00:49:33.000 Dustin Hoffman.
00:49:34.000 Papillon.
00:49:36.000 First of all, I'll point out that Steve McQueen and Dustin Hoffman is a better combo than Charlie Hunnam and Rami Malek.
00:49:48.000 Rami Malek, is it mandated that he be in every movie now?
00:49:51.000 Apparently, it is mandatory that Rami Malek be cast in every single movie filmed.
00:49:55.000 So, I'm not sure what part he plays in the new Captain Marvel, but I assume we'll see him in there somewhere.
00:50:01.000 The movie is worth watching, the original, and again, the remake is not bad.
00:50:05.000 It's just not the original.
00:50:06.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.
00:50:08.000 So I made fun of USC a little bit earlier.
00:50:15.000 The truth is, USC is a wonderful university and there are a lot of great students who go to USC.
00:50:18.000 My sister went to USC.
00:50:20.000 There's a horrible story coming out of the area around USC.
00:50:25.000 This is from the San Francisco Chronicle reporting.
00:50:27.000 The son of Oakland City Councilwoman Lynette Gibson McElhaney Was fatally shot early Sunday in Los Angeles.
00:50:33.000 Victor McElhaney, an Oakland native, was a student at the University of Southern California.
00:50:36.000 The avid drummer and jazz musician had recently transferred to the university from Cal State East Bay.
00:50:41.000 McElhaney apparently was the victim of an attempted robbery off campus because the area around USC is extraordinarily unsafe.
00:50:47.000 L.A.
00:50:47.000 area media outlets reported that McElhaney was approached by several males at the corner of Maple Avenue and Adams Boulevard.
00:50:53.000 One of them shot McElhaney before the group fled in a vehicle.
00:50:56.000 A sergeant at the LAPD's Newton Station, which responded to the incident, declined to provide further details.
00:51:01.000 Lynette Gibson McElhaney called her son's death a senseless act of violence.
00:51:04.000 She said, Victor was a son of Oakland.
00:51:05.000 He was a musician who drew his inspiration from the beat, soul, and sound of the town.
00:51:09.000 He belonged in every nook and cranny of Oakland.
00:51:10.000 I miss my baby.
00:51:11.000 Please keep me, my family, and all of my son's friends in your thoughts and prayers.
00:51:15.000 Now, I know that Victor McElhaney was a delightful person because he was a delightful- I actually had the chance to meet him.
00:51:21.000 So, when I was at USC, I spoke there just a few months ago.
00:51:25.000 And Victor McElhaney, unlike a lot of the people who decided to stand outside and protest, actually came and asked a question.
00:51:30.000 And we had a really nice exchange.
00:51:32.000 He was really genial.
00:51:33.000 I thought he was generous of spirit.
00:51:34.000 The world needs more people like Victor McElhaney.
00:51:37.000 Here's a little bit of our exchange.
00:51:38.000 Hi.
00:51:39.000 So, you have given a number of speeches about the difference between opportunity and outcome, and you say that our country has no lack of opportunity, correct?
00:51:49.000 Equal access to rights, I think, would be a better way to state it, yeah.
00:51:52.000 Oh, okay.
00:51:52.000 So, equal... I'm saying... Okay.
00:51:54.000 Equal access to the exercise of rights.
00:51:55.000 So, you're correct that I've said opportunity before, and it's not exact enough, so I'm modifying it now.
00:52:00.000 Okay.
00:52:00.000 Because when I say, because obviously... Not to forecast where this conversation is going to go, but...
00:52:06.000 I have a feeling where you're going to go, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.
00:52:09.000 I'll give you plenty of time.
00:52:11.000 What you're going to say is that not everybody has equal opportunity, which of course is true. 1.00
00:52:15.000 Some people are rich, some people are poor, some people are smart, some people are stupid. 0.91
00:52:18.000 but everyone does have equal access to rights. 0.99
00:52:21.000 No, no, no, okay.
00:52:30.000 For sure.
00:52:31.000 And the exchange went on for several minutes.
00:52:34.000 Really nice guy.
00:52:35.000 You can see he's really good-natured and curious and questioning.
00:52:38.000 Real loss to the United States.
00:52:40.000 Real loss to the world.
00:52:42.000 The death of Victor McElhaney.
00:52:44.000 Again, crime ought to be policed.
00:52:47.000 Criminals ought to be tracked down.
00:52:48.000 I only hope that his murderers are caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
00:52:52.000 It's really heartbreaking.
00:52:54.000 We need more conversations.
00:52:55.000 We need more people who are open-minded and open-hearted.
00:52:58.000 And Victor McElhaney was apparently one of those people.
00:53:01.000 I was just informed that he was the person I spoke to at the speech last night by a fellow member of the USC community.
00:53:08.000 So my heart goes out to his family and really I'm Pretty upset about it, as I think everybody who's a good-hearted person should be.
00:53:16.000 Alrighty, well, we will be back here a little bit later, but if you want to access that, you're gonna have to go over to dailywire.com and become a subscriber.
00:53:22.000 Also, today would be a good day to pre-order my book, The Right Side of History, before it is all sold out at your local bookstore or on Amazon.
00:53:31.000 Go check it out right now, searching up the bestseller charts.
00:53:34.000 It comes out next week.
00:53:35.000 I'm looking forward to talking about it then, and we'll see you here later this afternoon.
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