The Ben Shapiro Show - April 30, 2025


The Secret SUCCESS of DOGE


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Trump has frozen or canceled more than $400 billion in federal spending, and Democrats are mad at him for it. Now it's up to Congress to fix the problem, and they're not happy with what he's done so far.

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00:00:00.000 Well, folks, a lot of news to get to, as always.
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00:00:23.000 Well, we have been hearing for a very long time that DOGE, that would, of course, be the Department of Governmental Efficiency under the tutelage, of Elon Musk has been a giant fail.
00:00:31.000 We've been hearing this from the legacy media who have been saying that all the cuts are basically fake, that nothing is happening, that it's chaos, that it's wrecking the country.
00:00:40.000 No on Social Security check has been stopped.
00:00:43.000 The Medicaid checks are still going out.
00:00:46.000 The Medicare checks are still going out.
00:00:48.000 The government, unfortunately to my mind, is still running much as before.
00:00:51.000 However, much spending has in fact really been stopped.
00:00:55.000 There's been an open question as to how much spending will be permanently stopped.
00:00:58.000 How much can be temporarily frozen versus actually just cut?
00:01:01.000 Will firing these employees actually stick?
00:01:03.000 But Democrats are caterwauling because as it turns out, Doge actually has been quite effective in stopping an enormous amount of spending.
00:01:11.000 Is it trillions of dollars?
00:01:12.000 No.
00:01:13.000 Is it hundreds of billions of dollars?
00:01:14.000 The answer apparently is yes.
00:01:16.000 According to Reuters, President Trump's administration has so far withheld at least 436.87 Almost $42 billion was frozen or canceled for the State Department.
00:01:44.000 Of course, that includes the freeze on support for USAID.
00:01:48.000 Along with another $62 billion plus in competitive grant funding for the Transportation Department, according to the estimate.
00:01:55.000 Democrats also are detailing $943 million frozen for the Head Start early education program.
00:02:00.000 By the way, Head Start is one of the great fails in federal history.
00:02:04.000 Head Start, the idea that you are radically increasing the chances for young children if they go to a federally funded, federally run preschool program.
00:02:11.000 The data on Head Start has been pretty solid for a long time, showing effectively no difference between kids who go to Head Start and kids.
00:02:18.000 Who do not?
00:02:19.000 There's also been some $10 billion frozen and canceled for the National Resources Conservation Service as well.
00:02:27.000 Democrats, of course, are very angry about all of this.
00:02:29.000 Listen, all of this spending is going to have to be then put permanently into the no-spend category by Congress.
00:02:37.000 They can do so with a simple 50-vote majority in the Senate.
00:02:41.000 That is the path presumably Congress is going to have to take.
00:02:43.000 And we are now moving.
00:02:44.000 In this administration, from the sort of executive order side of the administration, what President Trump can do unilaterally, to Congress.
00:02:51.000 The focus needs to move to Congress because the truth is that President Trump, Doge, they can temporarily freeze a lot of this funding.
00:02:58.000 But unless it's rescinded by Congress, it will go right back into place after a certain period of time.
00:03:04.000 This is the reason why Democrats are freaking out about all of this.
00:03:08.000 They're worried that Republicans are, in fact, going to start passing rescission bills that would make permanent many of the freezes and turn the freeze.
00:03:15.000 According to the Reuters News Service, the administration is citing the Doge.
00:03:23.000 Efficiency, movement, and the undoing of the federal government's DEI initiatives is reason for blocking congressionally approved funding.
00:03:30.000 The question is how much the executive branch can actually block that funding under the 1974 Impoundment Control Act.
00:03:36.000 Usually the president has to tweak levels by proposing cuts.
00:03:40.000 That, of course, would be the rescission.
00:03:42.000 That has not happened so far.
00:03:43.000 Now it is up to Congress, which brings us to Congress.
00:03:47.000 And again, right now, it would be an act of political magic.
00:03:52.000 Every time you get a Republican majority together, it's a bit of political magic.
00:03:56.000 That's just the way that it works.
00:03:57.000 And the reason for that is because the Republican House of Representatives majority is so unbelievably narrow.
00:04:02.000 And even in the Senate of the United States, you have to acknowledge just pretty much right off the bat that Collins and Murkowski.
00:04:08.000 Are likely to go the other way on major legislation.
00:04:10.000 So you're from 53 votes to 51 votes.
00:04:13.000 And then, of course, there are still holdovers like Mitch McConnell, who is still in the Senate, who may vote against something President Trump wants.
00:04:19.000 There are a wide variety of other senators with various other interests.
00:04:23.000 So getting this whole thing together is, in fact, an attempt to herd cats by Senate Majority Leader John Thune, as well as Speaker of the House Mike Johnson.
00:04:32.000 Can they do it?
00:04:33.000 That's the question.
00:04:33.000 So the deadline keeps getting pushed off for the new tax bill.
00:04:36.000 Which presumably will include some elements of rescission, although rescission can be done separately.
00:04:42.000 Originally, the talk was that by Memorial Day, there would be a tax bill.
00:04:46.000 Memorial Day, of course, is May 26th.
00:04:48.000 Now, Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary, is saying that the tax bill target is July 4th.
00:04:56.000 He was speaking yesterday from the White House press room, and he said that the tax bill negotiation is actually going better than they thought it would.
00:05:03.000 And the tax bill is moving forward.
00:05:06.000 It is going to give permanence to the 2017 Tax Cuts and Job Act, which will, back to the question on certainty, it will give American business certainty, it will give American people certainty.
00:05:19.000 So, obviously that needs to happen.
00:05:22.000 If the tax bill were not to pass, that would be a disastrous problem for the Trump administration, which is already fighting significant headwinds caused by the tariff war.
00:05:31.000 Besson told reporters we have three legs to the president's economic agenda, trade, tax, and deregulation.
00:05:36.000 We hope we can have this tax portion done by the 4th of July.
00:05:38.000 Now, on the deregulation front, again, I think one of the reasons why the business community has not let the bottom fall out on the stock market is because there are a bunch of sort of conflicting pieces of data that the Trump administration is putting out.
00:05:50.000 Business, investment, people don't like the trade war, people do like the deregulation, and they want the tax cut.
00:05:57.000 So if those are the three legs of the stool in terms of what business would like, the trade war is not something that business typically likes.
00:06:03.000 Business does want the tax cuts made permanent because uncertainty there, if you suddenly have to pay a significant percentage more of your income into the federal government, well, that's going to be a serious problem for a lot of businesses, for a lot of individuals, for investors.
00:06:18.000 If the tax regime were to return to the 2015 status quo, for example, that'd be a huge problem.
00:06:24.000 And so the tax bill does have to pass.
00:06:25.000 And then there's the deregulation side, where again, business is very optimistic about deregulation and sort of hoping that President Trump backs off the tariff war.
00:06:33.000 The deadline, according to Politico, pegged to the Independence Day recess comes as Republicans work through significant sticking points to get the party-line megabill through the House by Speaker Mike Johnson's Memorial Day target.
00:06:45.000 Besson's updated timeline came out long after Senate Majority Leader Thune told reporters early on Monday the speed of the process.
00:06:54.000 Democrats, of course, are not going to get on board with any hike to the debt ceiling because they are going to use that as leverage in the same way that Republicans use the debt ceiling as leverage.
00:07:09.000 President Trump has suggested the possibility of completely blowing out the debt ceiling and basically getting rid of it as a tool of legislative control.
00:07:16.000 Most members of Congress, including Republicans, are not in favor of that because Were that to happen, then it would basically remove a giant point of leverage.
00:07:25.000 Besson told reporters after a big six meeting of top GOP negotiators that they don't have a new ex-state, but they'd have more information about when the country will need to raise its borrowing limit before the end of the week or next week as well.
00:07:37.000 So again, there are a lot of things that are up in the air, and Speaker Johnson is going to have to magic this thing through.
00:07:42.000 The same thing is true when it comes to Senate Majority Leader John Thune.
00:07:47.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.
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00:10:14.000 And meanwhile, speaking of the trade war, and one of the heavy pressures to get this thing done...
00:10:19.000 One of the biggest pressures to get this thing done in terms of the tax bill is the continued fallout from the trade war.
00:10:24.000 The reality is, as I've said before, we still are not feeling the actual fallout from President Trump's declared Liberation Day trade war.
00:10:31.000 That fallout will be felt over the coming weeks.
00:10:33.000 It takes ships a while to get to the United States empty.
00:10:36.000 It takes a while for people to not fulfill their orders or for prices to rise.
00:10:41.000 Well, all of this broke out into the open yesterday when controversy erupted over a proposal from one Now,
00:11:08.000 I have to tell you, I think this is a great idea.
00:11:11.000 I do.
00:11:12.000 In fact, I would love for Amazon to go even further.
00:11:14.000 I think that Amazon should break down how much of a product's price, Is the sales tax in each individual state?
00:11:21.000 I think that they should tell us how much of every product's individual price is attributable to the business having to pay Social Security tax payments.
00:11:31.000 I think we should have a full breakdown on what actually goes into the pricing mechanism here.
00:11:35.000 But I think it's good.
00:11:37.000 I think that in the same way, I thought it was good when businesses were listing the additional cost of Obamacare in their bills in 2011-2012.
00:11:44.000 Right after Obamacare passed, there were businesses that actually put on the receipt How much higher the prices were because they had to pay for the Obamacare of their employees?
00:11:53.000 I actually am in favor of this sort of transparency.
00:11:56.000 I think that it's a good thing.
00:11:58.000 In the same way that I don't think companies should be forced to do anything like this, but I kind of like it on a personal level when companies list the calorie counts of particular products because if you're on a diet or you're trying to figure out what sort of calorie counter you're trying to hit, you go into a restaurant, it tells you the calories.
00:12:12.000 That's good.
00:12:13.000 It helps me have more information before I make my decision.
00:12:16.000 I think when it comes to public policy like tariffs, the American people should know the cost of the tariff war.
00:12:21.000 It helps us make better decisions.
00:12:23.000 The White House, however, took this as a gigantic insult.
00:12:27.000 Caroline Lovett at the White House, she said that this was terrible and that actually it was doing the work of China to show how much additional cost was created by the tariffs.
00:12:36.000 This is a hostile and political act by Amazon.
00:12:40.000 Why didn't Amazon do this when the Biden administration hiked inflation to the highest level in 40 years?
00:12:47.000 And I would also add that it's not a surprise because, as Reuters recently wrote, Amazon has partnered with a Chinese propaganda arm.
00:12:56.000 So this is another reason why Americans should buy American.
00:13:00.000 It's another reason why we are on-shoring critical supply chains here at home to shore up our own critical supply chains.
00:13:09.000 So actually, it was not going to apply to all of Amazon.
00:13:12.000 Apparently, it was going to affect items that were sold on haul, which is Amazon's answer, to Timu, the Chinese retailer.
00:13:17.000 So it's actually in competition with Timu, showing exactly how much tariffs were going to cost.
00:13:23.000 Now, again, the idea that this is some sort of horrible thing, that Amazon is taking an anti-Trump administration approach to the tariffs, they're a retailer.
00:13:32.000 It would be shocking if Amazon did not oppose massive importation taxes that the Trump administration is placing on product.
00:13:39.000 Again, I know too many people in the business community who are having to hike their prices, who are seeing their demand plummet, who are going to have to lay people off.
00:13:47.000 I mean, they do.
00:14:01.000 You can go to Amazon right now and you can see what a product costs.
00:14:07.000 It's actually not hard to find out at all.
00:14:09.000 And it's one of the reasons why Joe Biden is no longer president of the United States.
00:14:12.000 I mean, aside from the fact that he's dead, one of the reasons is because Americans very obviously knew that inflation was taking a massive toll on their pocketbook, that things cost a lot more in 2024 than they cost in 2021.
00:14:26.000 Again, if you think it's a good economic policy, you should probably be in favor of the transparency.
00:14:30.000 If you think the tariff war is a good idea, that it's good for American consumers.
00:14:34.000 Then you're going to have to explain why the American people should not know about the impact of the tariffs on pricing.
00:14:40.000 Speaking of which, the Trump administration has been trying to carve some holes into a variety of these tariffs.
00:14:50.000 One of those holes was going to be tariffs for U.S. automakers.
00:14:53.000 According to Axios, the Trump administration said on Tuesday it will ease tariff pressure on automakers with reimbursement for taxes on foreign auto parts.
00:15:01.000 So senior administration officials say the relief came after conversations with domestic auto manufacturers, many of which have warned about the economic damage from the previously imposed 25% tariff rate.
00:15:11.000 President Trump is expected to sign an executive order that would reimburse automakers for as much as 15% of those tariffs paid on imported foreign parts.
00:15:18.000 That would move down to 10% next year.
00:15:20.000 So it's still going to hike the tariffs on imported auto parts.
00:15:24.000 It'll make it a little bit less egregious for domestic American auto manufacturers.
00:15:30.000 At the same time, Howard Lutnick has now said that foreign automakers are still going to get slammed.
00:15:38.000 He says that there will be tariff relief for U.S.-built cars with 85% domestic content.
00:15:43.000 But there are a bunch of factories in the United States, owned by places like Honda, for example, that is a foreign company, that may not actually be freed of all of this.
00:15:52.000 So why would you then buy a factory or build a factory if you're Honda, if you're a foreign car, if you're Volkswagen, why would you build a factory in the United States if it doesn't even help you escape the tariffs?
00:16:01.000 So even internally, this policy has some serious problems.
00:16:05.000 Speaking of Volkswagen, by the way, on Wednesday, they reported a substantial drop in first quarter profit.
00:16:11.000 Europe's biggest carmaker reported an operating profit of 2.9 billion euros.
00:16:14.000 That's $3.3 billion, according to CNBC.
00:16:16.000 For the first three months of the year, that is down 37% from the same period last year.
00:16:22.000 And again, Volkswagen is sold in the United States, meaning there are American jobs that are attached to Volkswagen.
00:16:29.000 There are dramatic fallout events from the tariffs.
00:16:34.000 And as far as the Amazon of it, apparently President Trump called Jeff Bezos and he wanted Bezos to kill it, so Bezos did.
00:16:40.000 That seems to be the impression, at least.
00:16:44.000 So how's all this affecting China, right?
00:16:46.000 Because this was all supposed to be directed against China.
00:16:49.000 It was all supposed to be directed against...
00:16:52.000 The Chinese government preventing them from growth, reshoring manufacturing in the United States.
00:16:58.000 And the administration keeps saying that China is going to come to the table.
00:17:02.000 So Scott Besson, the Treasury Secretary yesterday, he said, over time, we're going to see the Chinese tariffs are actually horrible for China.
00:17:08.000 China is going to have to back down.
00:17:10.000 Over time, we will see that the Chinese tariffs are unsustainable for China.
00:17:16.000 I've seen some very large numbers over the past few days that show if these numbers stay on, Chinese could lose 10 million jobs very quickly.
00:17:27.000 And even if there is a drop in the tariffs, that they could lose 5 million jobs.
00:17:33.000 So, that is all fine and dandy.
00:17:36.000 There's only one problem.
00:17:38.000 China doesn't seem to care. 0.98
00:17:39.000 Why doesn't China seem to care very much? 0.97
00:17:41.000 Well, the answer is China has some systemic advantages against the United States.
00:17:44.000 Their biggest systemic advantage in a trade war is they don't give any dams whatsoever about their citizens.
00:17:48.000 That's the biggest advantage.
00:17:49.000 They're in absolute communist tyranny.
00:17:52.000 When I say communist, I don't mean that they actually practice communism.
00:17:55.000 They don't.
00:17:55.000 They practice a form of mercantilism.
00:17:57.000 But it is the Chinese Communist Party running the place, and they don't care about their citizens whatsoever. 0.92
00:18:02.000 If you disagree with them, they will gulag you.
00:18:05.000 If they don't like you enough, they will just kill you.
00:18:08.000 So you think China cares that its citizens are going to suffer from the trade war?
00:18:11.000 So long as it also makes the United States suffer, they're actually in favor of it, which is why China is not coming to the table.
00:18:17.000 There is no evidence whatsoever that China is actually negotiating with the United States at any serious level at this point.
00:18:22.000 In fact, China put out a defiant propaganda clip yesterday on Twitter.
00:18:26.000 Here's what it sounded like.
00:18:28.000 Have you heard of the eye of the storm?
00:18:31.000 It appears calm for a moment, but is actually a deadly trap, but calm before an even fiercer storm.
00:18:40.000 The U.S. has stirred up a global tariff storm and deliberately targeted China, playing a 90-day pause game with other nations, forcing them to limit trade with China.
00:18:50.000 This is just like the deadly trap of the eye of the storm.
00:18:54.000 Bowing to a bully is like drinking poison to quench thirst.
00:18:58.000 It only deepens the crisis.
00:19:00.000 China won't kneel down. 0.93
00:19:01.000 Because we know, standing up for ourselves keeps the possibility of cooperation alive.
00:19:07.000 While compromise snuffs it out, China won't back down.
00:19:10.000 So the voices of the weak will be heard, bullying will be stopped, and justice will not disappear from the world.
00:19:17.000 For China, for the world, we must rise and fight on.
00:19:23.000 Okay, so China is trying to build a multipolar world in much the same way that Russia wants a multipolar world with itself as sort of the center of Eurasia.
00:19:30.000 China would love a multipolar world with itself at the very least at the center of the Southeast Asian part of the globe. 0.97
00:19:38.000 Plus, they're spreading their tentacles all the way across Eurasia, into Africa, even into South America.
00:19:44.000 So they are very pleased, actually, that President Trump, in declaring a trade war on China, also decided to simultaneously declare a trade war on everybody else.
00:19:52.000 Because that pushes all those countries toward China and away from the United States. 0.88
00:19:56.000 That is why China is perfectly happy with this situation. 0.56
00:19:59.000 They actually are quite pleased with all of this.
00:20:02.000 They don't care about their citizens.
00:20:03.000 They're happy to make trade deals with other countries.
00:20:05.000 They have been traveling.
00:20:05.000 Xi Jinping has been spending every day in other countries trying to cut trade deals.
00:20:10.000 And meanwhile, the United States is trying to claw its way back to kind of status quo ante.
00:20:15.000 They're claiming that they're cutting brand new magical trade deals.
00:20:18.000 We haven't seen any of those trade deals as of yet.
00:20:20.000 It is currently April 30th.
00:20:22.000 President Trump declared Liberation Day April 9th.
00:20:25.000 So when do we get to see the trade deals?
00:20:27.000 Well, again, the markets are waiting for it and the markets are enthusiastic about the possibility.
00:20:31.000 Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick on Tuesday teased that the Trump administration had reached its first trade deal.
00:20:37.000 He didn't say who it was with.
00:20:39.000 He didn't say what exactly the trade deal would constitute.
00:20:42.000 But the markets responded by being very enthusiastic because they clearly want the off-ramp.
00:20:46.000 The markets want the off-ramp.
00:20:48.000 They don't feel that this trade war was well thought out.
00:20:51.000 Doug Burgum, the Secretary of the Interior, was asked specifically by CNN's Caitlin Collins, which deals are closed?
00:20:58.000 When can we expect to see some deals?
00:20:59.000 Here's his answer.
00:21:01.000 Do you know of any trade agreements that they are close to actually closing it out?
00:21:04.000 And not just top lines, a memorandum of understanding.
00:21:08.000 Well, I know that they're very focused in taking a look in those 35, who is ready to come to the table.
00:21:14.000 The top half of those 35 have been broken into three tiers, and these folks are working around the clock over the weekends to get trade deals.
00:21:22.000 And I think for President Trump, you're going to see one trade deal after another announced.
00:21:27.000 When you start walking through 100 announcements with 100 different countries, and every single one of those, we end up with a better trade deal than we have right now.
00:21:36.000 I mean, how could anybody say I mean, he's arguing that he's made 200 trade deals so far.
00:21:44.000 Well, there is all kinds of countries that are showing up at the doorstep because they understand that America is serious about leveling the trade issues right now.
00:21:56.000 I'm sure that that is true.
00:21:57.000 I'm sure there are a bunch of countries who want to trade with the most powerful economy on planet Earth, the United States.
00:22:02.000 And maybe we get some trade deals that are marginally better than the old trade deals at the same time.
00:22:06.000 China has strengthened its hand in a lot of ways.
00:22:09.000 A lot of countries are de-dollarizing because they're not betting on the volatile nature of the Trump administration's foreign policy.
00:22:16.000 We need to get back to some sort of stability in the trade situation.
00:22:20.000 And as fast as humanly possible, the markets are begging for it.
00:22:24.000 We'll get to more on this in a moment.
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00:24:35.000 Meanwhile, opponents of President Trump are in fact succeeding.
00:24:38.000 In areas around the globe, including Canada, there's been this sort of bizarre divide that has emerged in some of the Trump-supportive movements, and that divide is kind of tripartite.
00:24:48.000 There are some of us in the Trump camp who are very upset that Mark Carney won the election in Canada because he is, in fact, a shill of the World Bank.
00:24:55.000 He worked for the IMF.
00:24:56.000 When you talk about globalists, Mark Carney is sort of the definition of a globalist, meaning international institutions ought to rule the roost.
00:25:04.000 Immigration ought to be relatively open.
00:25:07.000 There ought to be commerce, not regulated by country or bilateral deals, but commerce with some of the worst places on earth, including places like China. 0.99
00:25:18.000 Carney is very much in favor of regulation.
00:25:20.000 He was a net zero guy.
00:25:22.000 That guy's the prime minister now, so I think that it's quite bad on a personal level that President Trump intervened in the Canadian election by basically just crapping all over Canada repeatedly to no actual effect, by the way.
00:25:33.000 Like, where's the big win?
00:25:34.000 And so Carney got elected.
00:25:35.000 I think that's bad.
00:25:36.000 And then there's another wing of the Republican Party that says that basically Trump's activities had nothing to do with the victory of Mark Carney, which to me is just pretending or coping.
00:25:46.000 I don't think that there's any argument that can plausibly be made that President Trump saying repeatedly that Canada was going to be the 51st state and then suggesting over and over that tariffs were going to force them to capitulate their sovereignty to the United States.
00:25:59.000 Maybe we'd invade that that had no impact on the election whatsoever.
00:26:02.000 That is not what the polls show.
00:26:04.000 But there are some people in...
00:26:10.000 And then there's the third category of people who seem to be perversely happy that Mark Carney is the prime minister.
00:26:19.000 And that group of people, a lot of those folks, seem to be convinced that if there is a right-wing leader who is allied with principles of conservatives in the United States, but is not quote-unquote Trumpy enough, better to have a left-wing leader than somebody Our
00:27:00.000 old relationship with the United States.
00:27:03.000 A relationship based.
00:27:05.000 On steadily increasing integration is over.
00:27:09.000 The system of open global trade, anchored by the United States, a system that Canada has relied on since the Second World War, a system that, while not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for a country for decades,
00:27:25.000 is over.
00:27:28.000 These are tragedies, but it's also our new reality.
00:27:33.000 We are over.
00:27:35.000 We are over the shock of the American betrayal.
00:27:38.000 But we should never forget the lessons.
00:27:43.000 We have to look out for ourselves.
00:27:47.000 And above all, we have to take care of each other.
00:27:52.000 When I sit down with President Trump, it will be to discuss the future economic and security relationship between two sovereign nations.
00:28:06.000 And it will be with our full knowledge that we have many, many other options than the United States to build prosperity for all Canadians.
00:28:18.000 Okay, so I have a question.
00:28:20.000 Why is that better for the United States?
00:28:21.000 Seriously, why is it better than Mark Carney is the Prime Minister of Canada?
00:28:24.000 He's openly saying, by the way, that he wants to reorient away from the United States and toward Europe and China.
00:28:31.000 So what's the upside?
00:28:32.000 Seriously.
00:28:33.000 Here he was, again, making the case that Trump is trying to break us so he can own us.
00:28:36.000 It was this campaign slogan that basically allowed him to defeat Pierre Polyev, who is in every way a better candidate.
00:28:42.000 By the way, Polyev is not going away.
00:28:44.000 The Conservative Party actually won a larger percentage of the vote in Canada than they have at any time since 2011, when they last won the government.
00:28:50.000 The big story of the election is not just that Carney won, it is that he also drew votes from a lot of the sort of fringe left-wing parties who consolidated around him in order to quote-unquote fight Trump.
00:29:00.000 Here's Carney.
00:29:01.000 As I've been warning for months, America wants our land, our resources, our water, our country.
00:29:12.000 Never.
00:29:13.000 But these are not, these are not idle threats.
00:29:18.000 President Trump is trying to break us so that America can own us.
00:29:24.000 That will never, that will never ever happen.
00:29:30.000 That he basically lost the election for Poliev is President Trump.
00:29:33.000 This is one of the things I like about President Trump the most.
00:29:35.000 He's totally transparent at all times.
00:29:37.000 He did an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:29:39.000 Again, don't do interviews with Jeffrey Goldberg.
00:29:42.000 Jeffrey Goldberg is an absolute Barack Obama mouthpiece.
00:29:45.000 He always was.
00:29:46.000 He was a Joe Biden mouthpiece.
00:29:47.000 He still is.
00:29:48.000 I don't understand the deep desire by President Trump to reach out to, say, the New York Times or the Atlantic.
00:29:53.000 In any case, he did an interview with Goldberg, and Goldberg asked him about Canada.
00:29:57.000 And here's President Trump's answer.
00:29:58.000 Quote, Well, the Canadians, here's the problem I have with Canada. 0.96
00:30:00.000 We're subsidizing them to the tune of $200 billion a year.
00:30:04.000 There, I assume that he is talking about our trade deficit with Canada, which is largely based on their oil.
00:30:09.000 If you take out the oil and gas from Canada, which, by the way, we do need that.
00:30:13.000 We have refineries in the United States that are built for the kind of oil and natural gas that we import from Canada.
00:30:18.000 But if you take that out, we actually have a trade surplus with Canada.
00:30:21.000 In any case, Trump says, we don't need their gasoline.
00:30:22.000 We don't need their oil.
00:30:23.000 We don't need their lumber.
00:30:24.000 We don't need their energy of any type.
00:30:25.000 We don't need anything they have.
00:30:27.000 I say I would make a great 51st state.
00:30:28.000 I love other nations.
00:30:29.000 I love Canada.
00:30:30.000 I have great friends.
00:30:31.000 Wayne Gretzky is a friend of mine.
00:30:32.000 I mean, I have great friends.
00:30:32.000 I said to Wayne, I'm going to give you a pass, Wayne.
00:30:34.000 I don't want to ruin his reputation in Canada.
00:30:36.000 I said, just pretend you don't know me, but they're great people.
00:30:38.000 You know, they do 95% of their business with us.
00:30:41.000 Remember, if they're a state, there's no tariffs.
00:30:43.000 They have lower taxes.
00:30:44.000 We have to guard them militarily.
00:30:45.000 And then Goldberg says, you want them to become a state?
00:30:47.000 And Trump says, I think it would be great.
00:30:49.000 And then Trump added, quote, you know, until I came along, remember, the conservative was leading by 25 points.
00:30:56.000 Then I was disliked by enough of the Canadians that I've thrown the election into a close call, right?
00:31:02.000 And so President Trump knows that President Trump basically threw the election to Mark Carney.
00:31:06.000 And my question is, how does that benefit President Trump?
00:31:09.000 How does that benefit the United States?
00:31:12.000 Mark Carney is openly saying he wants to reorient toward China.
00:31:15.000 He literally is saying that.
00:31:18.000 In that same speech, he said that he wanted to supercharge Canada's trade with Europe and Asia.
00:31:23.000 Quote, the system of open global trade anchored by the United States, a system that Canada has relied on since the Second World War, a system that, while not perfect, has helped deliver prosperity for our countries for decades, is over.
00:31:33.000 He is pledging closer integration with the European Union.
00:31:41.000 He's also, presumably, going to be turning toward China.
00:31:44.000 That is no shock.
00:31:45.000 He is eager to turn toward China.
00:31:47.000 So are many of the people on the left.
00:31:50.000 President Trump.
00:31:51.000 In revolutionary fashion during his first term, told the world, including the left, that China was a geopolitical opponent of the United States who needed to be treated that way.
00:32:01.000 And large swaths of even the Democratic Party in the United States understand that.
00:32:05.000 So that he deserves credit for.
00:32:08.000 But if you are going to box in China, that requires a meticulously thought-out strategy.
00:32:14.000 And you know what would help is allies like Pierre Poliev in power in Canada and not Mark Carney in Canada.
00:32:20.000 Carney is going to face some serious problems in Canada.
00:32:25.000 Carney's economy, which, again, he inherits from his own party, the Liberal Party, is really, really sluggish.
00:32:31.000 If you look at the first year of the Trudeau government, 2016 through 2024, according to the Wall Street Journal, Canada's real GDP growth per capita was 2.5% versus 18.7% for the United States.
00:32:42.000 And business investment per worker, excluding housing, actually fell between 2015 and 2023.
00:32:49.000 So he's going to have to face down a lot of this stuff.
00:32:52.000 But that does not mean that it is a good thing that he ends up as the actual Prime Minister of Canada when all this is said and done.
00:33:01.000 It would be much better for the United States to have an ally in that position rather than somebody who hates President Trump.
00:33:06.000 Poliev likes Trump.
00:33:07.000 Poliev likes conservatives.
00:33:09.000 The best case scenario at this point for conservatives in Canada is that The Liberal Party, which does not have an open majority in the parliament, they have to ally with some fringe parties in order to achieve a majority, that they govern poorly, the government falls within the next 24 months, and then Poliev is prime minister.
00:33:24.000 That is quite possible.
00:33:26.000 However, this election was within grasp of people who were more conservative, and if you don't think it had anything to do with President Trump bashing the Canadians over the head, and then Canadians getting the wrong impression that Poliev was allied with that bashing, I don't know what to tell you.
00:33:43.000 And that is not a good thing.
00:33:44.000 That is not a point of bragging.
00:33:45.000 Meanwhile, in good news, apparently President Trump is in fact shifting his position with regard to Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelensky and Ukraine-Russia in general.
00:33:54.000 There's a good article in the New York Times about the Finnish leader, President Alexander Stubb of Finland, who is optimistic that Vladimir Putin will in fact be stared down by the President of the United States.
00:34:06.000 In an interview with the New York Times on Sunday, Stubb downplayed his effect on Mr. Trump.
00:34:10.000 He apparently has a good relationship with President Trump.
00:34:14.000 He says that President Trump is going to actually stand down Vladimir Putin.
00:34:20.000 Stubb said, quote, everyone has to understand the only thing that Putin understands is power.
00:34:23.000 I mean, there's a reason why Finland has one of the strongest militaries in Europe, and the reason is not Sweden.
00:34:28.000 The reason is because Russia shares an 835-mile border with Finland, and they fought a bunch of skirmishes and wars with Finland.
00:34:36.000 And in fact, Russia, Alexander Dugin, who we talked about last Friday on the show, he has openly called for the quote-unquote Finlandization of much of Western Europe, meaning sort of regimes that are puppet regimes friendly to the Russians.
00:34:48.000 And Finland doesn't like that very much.
00:34:51.000 So according to the New York Times, Stubb has been having discussions with President Trump.
00:34:56.000 He said, the president is running out of patience.
00:34:58.000 We've now seen statements which are quite tough on Putin in Russia.
00:35:00.000 I hope the Kremlin understands you don't play with President Trump.
00:35:04.000 Obviously, I certainly hope that this is the case.
00:35:07.000 I think that the proper way to get to the end of the war is in fact to stand Russia down. 0.92
00:35:11.000 Otherwise, Russia is not going to accept an end of the war. 0.62
00:35:14.000 I've been calling for precisely the same thing in this war since about month four.
00:35:18.000 The same thing.
00:35:19.000 Freezing of the lines.
00:35:21.000 Essentially a Korean armistice.
00:35:23.000 That is the best available thing.
00:35:25.000 And everybody, I think, understands that.
00:35:28.000 I think that the Ukrainians understand that the prospect of them winning back.
00:35:32.000 The Donbass and Crimea regions are basically non-existent at this point, given their current levels of weaponry and military materiel and manpower.
00:35:42.000 However, you know who doesn't understand that right now is Vladimir Putin, who continues to up the ante every single day.
00:35:48.000 Vladimir Putin is basically waiting for the United States to drop out of this, and then he's going to push incredibly hard.
00:35:54.000 And if Vladimir Putin were able to ingest Ukraine full-scale, that would be quite bad for the United States.
00:35:59.000 It would be quite bad for NATO.
00:36:00.000 He claims that he doesn't want to actually be on the borders of NATO.
00:36:04.000 So first of all, NATO is already on his borders.
00:36:07.000 Since April 2023, there are other countries that are on Russia's borders that have actually joined NATO, including Finland.
00:36:14.000 Finland was not a NATO member, and then it joined NATO.
00:36:17.000 But NATO already borders the Russians in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia.
00:36:23.000 Were the Russians to actually ingest Ukraine, there'd actually be more on the borders of NATO, not less on the borders. 0.77
00:36:28.000 Of NATO, obviously.
00:36:29.000 They're worried about Ukraine turning into a NATO country.
00:36:31.000 There is no actual offer by NATO right now to have Ukraine join.
00:36:36.000 So that is just a reality.
00:36:37.000 Ukraine's constitution does call for them since 2019 to actually try to join NATO.
00:36:41.000 You can see the reason why, and it's because Russia actually does not want a direct fight with NATO at this point.
00:36:46.000 Although if they gathered Ukraine in, it's quite possible they might try something in Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania.
00:36:52.000 Probably Lithuania, considering that Kaliningrad is actually a small province that exists bizarrely as Russian territory on the borders of Lithuania on the other side, physically disconnected from Lithuania.
00:37:03.000 In any case, if they were to ingest Ukraine, it would actually put them on the borders of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania, all of which are NATO members. 0.78
00:37:11.000 So it broadened their confrontational capacity with regard to NATO.
00:37:17.000 But put all of that aside, the bottom line here is that The Russians very much would love for this war to continue so long as it gives them the possibility of victory.
00:37:26.000 President Trump, I think, is understanding that at this point, which is a very, very good thing.
00:37:30.000 Meanwhile, another thing that the Trump administration ought to understand, the Iranians are playing them. 1.00
00:37:35.000 The Iranians are always playing them. 1.00
00:37:36.000 The Iranians have no intention of giving up their nuclear facilities or giving up any of their nuclear program.
00:37:41.000 The idea that you're going to be able to contain the nuclear program a la Barack Obama and the JCPOA is fabulous nonsense.
00:37:48.000 It is not true.
00:37:49.000 Simultaneously, by the way, the idea that a military strike by Israel or by Israel accompanied by some B2s from the United States would result in a full-scale regional war in which the United States would have boots on the ground is a lie.
00:38:01.000 It is not true.
00:38:02.000 There is no evidence that that is the case.
00:38:04.000 I would not be in favor of such a war.
00:38:06.000 No one is in favor of such a war.
00:38:08.000 The United States killed Qasem Soleimani during Trump's first term, and we did not end up in a full-scale shooting war with the Iranians with American boots on the ground in Iran or anything remotely like that.
00:38:17.000 Killing the Houthis.
00:38:19.000 In Yemen, which is actually quite far away from Iran, geographically speaking, does not amount to a shooting war in Iran with American boots on the ground in Iran.
00:38:27.000 That is not what that is.
00:38:28.000 That is an attempt to free the Red Sea of Houthi piracy and allow free shipping.
00:38:33.000 The reason I bring all of this up is because Iran is now basically trying to wheedle their way into the good graces of the Trump administration. 0.83
00:38:40.000 Steve Whitcoff, of course, has been deployed over there.
00:38:42.000 He's quite friendly with the Qataris.
00:38:44.000 The Qataris are a cutout for the Iranians. 1.00
00:38:45.000 They funnel over the past decade and a half or so.
00:38:48.000 Something like $1.8 billion to Hamas when they are not spending hundreds of millions of dollars on American universities for some odd reason that no one can discern.
00:38:58.000 According to Bloomberg, Iran is now pitching its sanctioned economy to him as an investment opportunity, which again, listen, I'll give it to the Iranians.
00:39:05.000 That is smart.
00:39:06.000 And President Trump is a dealmaker.
00:39:07.000 He likes deals and he likes economic deals.
00:39:09.000 That's why he talks about the possibility of an economic deal that would include Russia in the world economy.
00:39:14.000 Maybe new economic opportunities arise.
00:39:17.000 Now, that does have its positive aspect.
00:39:19.000 The Abraham Accords are largely based on the idea that commerce conquers all.
00:39:23.000 However, as China shows, commerce does not always conquer all.
00:39:27.000 Countries that hate our guts are perfectly willing to use the tools of capitalism, using mercantilist theory, in order to enrich themselves and then oppose us wherever they can.
00:39:36.000 China has done that.
00:39:37.000 So here's the question.
00:39:38.000 Is Iran more like Saudi Arabia and the UAE, or is Iran more like China in terms of its actual intentions with regards to the United States?
00:39:45.000 The answer is pretty obvious, but...
00:39:46.000 Iran is attempting to basically play the Trump administration into allowing them a nuclear program by pledging that they're going to allow for some sort of economic cooperation.
00:39:56.000 According to Bloomberg, with talks between Iran and the United States over the Islamic Republic's atomic activity showing signs of progress, top Iranian officials are for the first time in decades overtly promoting their economy to the White House to secure a lasting and more effective nuclear accord.
00:40:09.000 If Trump wants a deal that's better for the US than the one he jettisoned in 2018, the Iranians want the same for Iran. 0.87
00:40:14.000 Tehran's top envoy, Abbas Arahi, wrote in a Washington Post op-ed last week, a new nuclear deal could give the U.S. companies access to what he claims is a trillion-dollar economic opening in a country of about 90 million people with some of the world's biggest oil and gas reserves.
00:40:29.000 Obviously, this is a way of attempting to draw President Trump in, to draw him into a deal.
00:40:34.000 Russia is also attempting this same sort of tactic.
00:40:37.000 Again, our enemies are smart.
00:40:39.000 They're not stupid.
00:40:40.000 They understand that if the Trump administration is looking for economic deals, Offering them economic deals is a great way to get themselves off the hook while simultaneously promoting the most anti-American activity in respective regions, whether you're talking about Ukraine, whether you're talking about Lebanon,
00:40:56.000 Syria, Yemen, the Gaza Strip, or any of the rest.
00:41:00.000 Again, the question that the Trump administration should be asking itself is if the Obama-Iran deal was bad, which it was, and if China is capable of using capitalism as a tool against the United States.
00:41:11.000 Why in the world would we think that Iran is incapable of using market integration as a tool for the spread of terrorism, for example, or that Russia is incapable of the same?
00:41:21.000 The answer is they are very much capable of the same.
00:41:25.000 Meanwhile, the culture shift in the United States is very real.
00:41:29.000 We have said here at The Daily Wire that we are now norming in America.
00:41:34.000 It's not mooring in America, it's norming in America.
00:41:36.000 We're getting back to something looking like normal.
00:41:39.000 You can see it happening, right?
00:41:40.000 Yes, there's a lot of world chaos.
00:41:42.000 Yes, there's a lot of market chaos.
00:41:43.000 But just culturally speaking, people are done with this sort of cultural chaos that suggests that, for example, the kids must be trans.
00:41:49.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, MasterCard is not renewing its corporate sponsorship of the New York City Pride March, the city's annual march for LGBTQ plus minus divided by signed rights for 2025.
00:41:59.000 MasterCard has supported Heritage of Pride, that is the nonprofit group that organizes the New York March, but now they are not returning.
00:42:06.000 That also includes Pepsi, Nissan, Giant in Banking City and PricewaterhouseCoopers.
00:42:13.000 Most have not opted out of all pride activities in the United States.
00:42:16.000 They'll instead kind of downgrade it to a branded booth or something.
00:42:20.000 But they're not going to be making a major spend.
00:42:22.000 Why?
00:42:22.000 And the answer is because it turns out that it alienates a lot of the normies when you have men in assless chaps walking down the street with a Budweiser brand on them.
00:42:30.000 People don't like it very much.
00:42:32.000 Other pride events in recent weeks have lost key sponsors, including Anheuser-Busch in St. Louis.
00:42:37.000 And Diageo in San Francisco.
00:42:41.000 So again, many of these companies are starting to minimize their sort of overtly DEI-driven attempts to woo the radical left.
00:42:48.000 That is a good thing.
00:42:50.000 Because it turns out that most Americans, they don't care if people who are gay wish to live the lives they want to lead.
00:42:57.000 What they don't want is giant pride parades sponsored by America's biggest corporations walking through the middle of their cities.
00:43:04.000 With men with ball gags. 0.89
00:43:05.000 That's just not a thing that they're very interested in.
00:43:07.000 And some of these corporations are starting to figure that out.
00:43:10.000 All right, you guys.
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