The Ben Shapiro Show - The Time Of Feelings | Ep. 564

00:00:00.000 Rachel Maddow cries, Corey Lewandowski laughs, and the illegal immigration fallout continues.

00:00:04.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:05.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:11.000 So many feelings, so many emotions, so much happening.

00:00:15.000 We'll go through all of it in just one second.

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00:01:01.000 All righty, so.

00:01:30.000 A lot to get to today.

00:01:31.000 Apparently, the Trump administration policy with regard to separating children from parents, which is mandated by law, if you're going to arrest people criminally for crossing the border, you cannot keep their kids in custody.

00:01:40.000 We discussed this at length over the last several days.

00:01:42.000 There is a court ruling from 2016 in which the court declared that you cannot keep kids together with their parents.

00:01:48.000 In fact, the Obama administration used to keep kids together with their parents in detention proceedings, and then they were sued.

00:01:55.000 They were sued on the basis that this was being used as a deterrent to illegal immigration, because how dare you keep children in prisons?

00:02:01.000 These are innocent kids.

00:02:02.000 Why would you keep them with their parents in prison?

00:02:04.000 Okay, so, the left sort of wants it both ways.

00:02:06.000 They don't want you to be able to keep the kids in prison with the parents, but they also don't want you to separate the parents from the kids, which leaves only one solution, of course, which is to release the parents, which is really what they want out of this entire thing.

00:02:16.000 Now, how do I know that this is what they want from the entire spiel here? 0.91

00:02:19.000 Well, because

00:02:20.000 Well, the Democrats are out there saying Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi about all of this policy.

00:02:25.000 And let's be real, I did not see that coming.

00:02:27.000 While they're saying all of this about Nazi policy from the right, the right is actually attempting to solve this.

00:02:33.000 So Republicans came forward yesterday.

00:02:34.000 Ted Cruz came forward yesterday with a bill that would fix all of this and say that children can stay with their parents in detention centers until all of the proceedings have gone forward.

00:02:42.000 So what did Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer do?

00:02:45.000 He dismissed the legislative proposal.

00:02:47.000 He said, And then asked if that meant Democrats would not support a bill backed by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to keep immigrant families together while seeking asylum on the U.S.

00:03:02.000 border, Schumer said they want to keep the focus on Trump.

00:03:04.000 Again, quote,

00:03:07.000 Unacceptable additions have bogged down every piece of legislation we've done.

00:03:10.000 So in other words, it's Nazi policy, but if the Republicans try to fix it, they're also Nazis. 0.62

00:03:14.000 Which is pretty convenient for the Democrats.

00:03:16.000 And as I said, the media coverage of this particular issue has led Democrats to believe that the issue doesn't need to be solved, it instead should be used as a club to wield against everybody that you don't like.

00:03:26.000 This is the plan by people like Chuck Schumer on the left.

00:03:29.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:03:30.000 Either the policy is straight from Japanese internment camps in Nazi Germany, in which case you should be for anything that would alleviate the policy, or the policy is not that bad, in which case maybe we should argue over the policy.

00:03:41.000 But the Democrats want to say that the policy is awful, it's evil, it's Nazi-esque, it's Japanese internment in 1942.

00:03:47.000 It's all of those things.

00:03:49.000 But we're not going to work to solve it because it's all on Trump.

00:03:52.000 All of which suggests that a lot of the Democratic tiers on this are crocodile tiers for political gain.

00:03:56.000 Now, I'm not going to say that everybody who's upset over this policy is faking it because I don't think that's right.

00:04:01.000 I think a lot of people are upset over this policy.

00:04:02.000 Listen, I don't think it's a great policy.

00:04:04.000 I think it's a bad policy.

00:04:05.000 But I also think that keeping kids interned with parents is not a great policy either.

00:04:09.000 There is no great policy when it comes to illegal immigration.

00:04:12.000 In the end, as with war games, the only winning move is not to play.

00:04:16.000 If you don't want illegal immigrants separated from their families or, alternatively, kept with their families in detention, don't illegally immigrate.

00:04:22.000 You're going to have to deter illegal immigration. 0.81

00:04:24.000 That is the only solution because, again, you can't say that you want kids to stay with the families, but you also want kids released.

00:04:29.000 It's either one or the other.

00:04:31.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:04:32.000 But it seems that the left is more interested in promulgating a particular feeling about this policy than they are about solving it.

00:04:39.000 It's just like gun control.

00:04:40.000 Every time there's a mass shooting, the left decides that it's necessary to have these vast displays of emotion, these vast displays of empathy, and then they don't actually get anything done.

00:04:48.000 Because the policies they call for have nothing to do with actually stopping the crime at issue.

00:04:52.000 Well, the same thing is happening here.

00:04:54.000 The Republicans have proposed a legislative fix.

00:04:56.000 The Democrats are running away from that legislative fix.

00:04:58.000 Now they're urging President Trump to go ahead and make an executive decision to simply overrule the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals decision in Flores and keep the kids together with their parents.

00:05:07.000 How long do you think it will take for another lawsuit to be filed saying that it's unconstitutional for the kids to remain together with their parents or that it's a violation of the 1997 Flores Agreement with the federal government?

00:05:17.000 It'll take exactly five seconds because we just had those lawsuits.

00:05:21.000 Again, the Obama administration kept children with parents.

00:05:26.000 They were sued not to do that.

00:05:28.000 They changed their policy.

00:05:29.000 Not only did they change their policy, they had said that they were keeping the kids together with their parents as a deterrent.

00:05:34.000 And the court said you're not allowed to do that.

00:05:36.000 And now they're saying you can't release the kids.

00:05:38.000 So you can't keep the kids and you can't release the kids because all the left really wants is everyone released.

00:05:43.000 Well, all the emotion that's coming out from this is, you know, on one level understandable, on another level irritating if you're not going to propose any solution.

00:05:52.000 So Rachel Maddow last night on MSNBC, she broke down on air talking about migrant babies being detained.

00:05:57.000 Now look, nobody is happy with the idea of 12-month-old babies.

00:06:00.000 I have a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old.

00:06:01.000 No one likes the idea of a 2-year-old being removed from their parents and crying for mommy and daddy.

00:06:05.000 Nobody likes this, which is why I've been saying legislative fix from literally the first day that this controversy broke onto the scene.

00:06:11.000 But I will just point out that Rachel Maddow has no such sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of babies who are killed in the womb every year.

00:06:17.000 She has no such sympathy for kids who are removed from their parents when parents are arrested for domestic crimes.

00:06:22.000 Rachel Maddow seems to me to be using emotion as a sort of baton in order to try and drive a particular narrative.

00:06:30.000 And that narrative, by the way, is not creating solutions.

00:06:32.000 Again, that narrative is designed to let Democrats prevent solutions.

00:06:36.000 That narrative is designed to allow Democrats to emotionally manipulate the American public without working to fix the problem in the first place.

00:06:42.000 Here's Rachel Maddow slash Michael Molls last night.

00:06:45.000 Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children to at least three three tender age shelters in South Texas.

00:07:00.000 Lawyers and medical providers just

00:07:04.000 I think I'm going to have to hand this off.

00:07:06.000 OK, the tender age shelters, by the way, have existed since 2010 under the Obama administration.

00:07:11.000 I'll say this, as somebody who covers the news every day, I'm not a big fan of histrionics on air.

00:07:16.000 Again, I'm sure that this is legit from Rachel Maddow.

00:07:19.000 OK, I'm not going to say that I don't think that she feels this way.

00:07:21.000 I'm sure she does feel this way.

00:07:23.000 But all of us who are in the television business, all of us who are on camera on a regular basis, I would suggest that it is not a good look for us to get so emotional about issues that we can't discuss them rationally.

00:07:35.000 Emotional investment in issues actually prevents rational discussion of those issues.

00:07:40.000 But I think the emotional investment is the entire point at this point.

00:07:42.000 I think it's become all about feelings and very little about policy.

00:07:44.000 For example, here's an NPR anchor.

00:07:47.000 Her last name is Hinojosa.

00:07:49.000 And she says that this is just like the Nazis.

00:07:52.000 It's exactly like the Nazis on MSNBC. 0.61

00:07:54.000 Elie Wiesel, may he rest in peace, what he said to me was, he said, you know, the Nazis had it perfectly correct. 0.99

00:08:00.000 They declared us an illegal people.

00:08:02.000 That's how it began.

00:08:03.000 We were declared an illegal people as Jews?

00:08:06.000 Right.

00:08:06.000 And that follows that, and it's a very horrible thing to make these comparisons, but if you think about the level of dehumanization where we have arrived, where children are being taken,

00:08:18.000 There's an arc there. 0.99

00:08:41.000 If you really believe that Nazi policy was to have a process of law whereby people who were illegally attempting to enter Nazi Germany were temporarily separated from their children for the protection of the children because we didn't want to hold the children in incarcerated custody, and then they were reunited with those children when people were deported, if you really think that was Nazi policy, it's because you're a moron. 0.99

00:08:59.000 As far as the notion of dehumanization, it is not dehumanizing. 0.97

00:09:01.000 The whole point here is that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, the most liberal court in America, held that it is a better policy to force parents and children to be separated than to leave children with parents in custody in the first place.

00:09:12.000 Again, this was not Trump coming up with, you know what would be a nefarious evil idea if we took those kids away from those parents.

00:09:17.000 That is an effectuation of law.

00:09:19.000 Once you arrest people, the kids have to be removed by force of law.

00:09:22.000 Now, it seems that today Trump wants to change that by executive order.

00:09:26.000 We'll see if he's even allowed to get away with that.

00:09:27.000 It'll go straight to court.

00:09:28.000 It'll probably be overturned.

00:09:30.000 Because in the end, there is really an agenda here.

00:09:32.000 But it drives me nuts when people start invoking the Nazis when the policy that is being discussed has nothing to do with the Nazis.

00:09:39.000 Nazi is not just shorthand for stuff I don't like.

00:09:43.000 Crying Nazi is like crying wolf now. 0.58

00:09:45.000 There are actual Nazis.

00:09:46.000 There are actually people in the world who believe the same thing the Nazis did. 0.74

00:09:49.000 The Iranian regime believes the same thing the Nazis did when it comes to extermination of the Jews.

00:09:54.000 There are lots of people across the world who believe in Nazi-esque policy with regards to eugenic abortion, for example.

00:09:59.000 There are lots of people across the world who believe Nazi-esque fiscal policy.

00:10:02.000 But in order for you to make a comparison, you can't just say, look at that Trump.

00:10:06.000 He probably has a swastika in his basement.

00:10:09.000 The only thing separating Trump from Hitler is the mustache.

00:10:11.000 You actually have to explain why the policy that you say you oppose is truly Nazi-esque.

00:10:17.000 And to say that it's all about dehumanization?

00:10:19.000 It's too vague.

00:10:20.000 It's not about dehumanization.

00:10:21.000 We're not saying that these people should be taken out and gassed. 0.94

00:10:23.000 We're not saying that these people should be taken out and shot.

00:10:26.000 I'm not happy with the treatment here.

00:10:27.000 But to suggest that there is anything remotely resembling Nazi policy happening here is insulting to Americans, it's insulting to the Trump administration, it's insulting to the people who carry it out.

00:10:36.000 It really is insulting to the ICE agents, I'd like to point out, because we've been brought up on the notion that you don't get to follow a bad order, you don't get to follow an evil order, that if somebody tells you to go out in public and shoot some innocent bystander, that you have to refuse that order, right?

00:10:49.000 Or the Nuremberg defense, I was only following orders, doesn't apply morally.

00:10:53.000 Are we really now suggesting that ICE agents are the equivalent of Nazis?

00:10:56.000 That the ICE agents who are carrying out these orders to separate the kids, as per policy promulgated by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, that those people are exactly the same as the Brownshirts or the Auschwitz guards?

00:11:06.000 Is that really what we are saying here now?

00:11:09.000 And it's constant, right?

00:11:10.000 Soledad O'Brien tweeted the same thing out.

00:11:13.000 Soledad O'Brien tweeted out, quote, Well, I guess we put to rest the question Nazi Germany.

00:11:17.000 Could it happen here in America? 1.00

00:11:19.000 I'll discuss in a second why this is so idiotic. 0.98

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00:12:23.000 Okay, so Soledad O'Brien tweets out that this is just like Nazi Germany.

00:12:32.000 She tweets out that Nazi Germany could happen here.

00:12:35.000 Now, I've always believed that the rise of fascism in Germany is an inexplicable phenomenon.

00:12:42.000 People tend to treat it as though the entire country just went crazy all of a sudden.

00:12:45.000 The entire country just suddenly decided that they were going to start exterminating Jews and going to war with all the surrounding countries.

00:12:50.000 And when you actually spend a fair bit of time studying the rise of Nazi Germany, as I have, then what you will see is that there was an organic process by which the Nazis ended up taking over Germany.

00:12:59.000 And actually, the dictatorship pre-existed the Nazis.

00:13:02.000 The existence of a dictatorial power in the center of German government pre-existed the Nazis.

00:13:06.000 It began about 1930, culminated in 1932.

00:13:09.000 It was essentially a non-elected government, or at least if it was elected, it was running not along the basis of a legislature for a long time in Germany before the Nazis even took power.

00:13:18.000 I've always believed that human beings can slide into evil a lot more easily than we like to think that we could.

00:13:24.000 But what Soledad O'Brien is saying, which is that we are now like Nazi Germany or becoming like Nazi Germany when we separate kids from parents at the border,

00:13:31.000 OK, what's your alternative?

00:13:33.000 I'm fine with not separating kids from parents at the border.

00:13:35.000 So is Ted Cruz.

00:13:35.000 So is Donald Trump.

00:13:37.000 But the Democrats don't want any sort of policy that will fix this, which demonstrates full scale that all of this is really just emotional manipulation by the left.

00:13:45.000 If you're not going to solve the problem, if you're not going to propose any solution other than yelling at Trump,

00:13:49.000 And then suggesting that he release everybody en masse or not criminally prosecute illegal immigration?

00:13:53.000 Then you're not contributing to a solution to the problem, you're just using this as a political club to wield.

00:13:58.000 And you can see the extent to which the media have gone overboard.

00:14:01.000 So for example, the New Yorker decided that they were going to target a particular ICE agent.

00:14:05.000 So they showed a picture of an ICE agent, and they said, this man has a Nazi tattoo.

00:14:11.000 So the New Yorker put out a picture of a Marine veteran accusing him of having a Nazi tattoo because he works for ICE.

00:14:21.000 And the picture shows a guy with a series of tattoos on his arm, like a lot of guys who are military or ex-military.

00:14:26.000 Well, now it turns out that all of that is nonsense.

00:14:29.000 Okay, the guy who she took a picture of, this particular reporter, she tweeted about a guy named Justin Gertner.

00:14:37.000 And Gertner is a combat-wounded veteran and ICE forensic analyst.

00:14:42.000 And she said they had a Nazi iron cross inked on his elbow.

00:14:45.000 But it turns out that it's a Maltese cross, a symbol associated with firefighters.

00:14:48.000 The tattoo, according to Gertner, is actually a Titan II symbol for his platoon when he served in Afghanistan.

00:14:53.000 According to ICE, the writing on his right arm is the Spartan Creed, which is about protecting family and children.

00:14:57.000 Anyone attempting to advance their personal political opinions by baselessly slandering an American hero should be issuing public apologies to Mr. Gertner and the retractions.

00:15:04.000 This includes Levin and the New Yorker.

00:15:06.000 Well, in just a second, I want to talk about how the Trump administration is responding to all of this, plus some more of the fallout from the left.

00:15:12.000 So, it's not just members of the government, members of the press who are doing this.

00:15:15.000 It's also virtue signaling on the part of people in Hollywood.

00:15:32.000 So now, there's been a lot of talk in Hollywood about various members of Fox television studios disassociating from Fox generally because they don't like Fox News' coverage.

00:15:41.000 So Steve Levitan, who's the co-creator of Modern Family, he says,

00:15:52.000 I have no problem with fact-based conservatism, such as the Wall Street Journal, but Fox News' 23-hour-a-day support of the NRA, conspiracy theories, and Trump lies get harder to swallow every day as I drive onto that lot to make a show about inclusion.

00:16:03.000 I look forward to seeing Modern Family through to the end and then, sale or no sale, setting up shop elsewhere.

00:16:07.000 Well, first of all, important to note, 21st Century Fox is made up of several key assets.

00:16:11.000 Fox Television Studios has nothing to do with Fox News.

00:16:14.000 They are completely separate branches of Fox.

00:16:16.000 And in fact, after Fox is sold, there's a good likelihood that Fox News doesn't even end up going along with the rest of Fox being sold to Disney.

00:16:24.000 So it's possible it ends up as a completely separate company.

00:16:26.000 But all of this virtue signaling makes perfect sense.

00:16:28.000 Steve Levitin's contract is up in.

00:16:30.000 2019, right?

00:16:31.000 It's coming up for renewal next year.

00:16:33.000 Anyway, Seth MacFarlane also tweeted that he was embarrassed to work for Fox.

00:16:36.000 Not embarrassed to clear those checks, by the way.

00:16:38.000 He added, quote, And there's Paul Feig, who...

00:16:49.000 It's a free country.

00:16:50.000 You can do whatever you want.

00:16:51.000 You don't want to work with Fox?

00:16:52.000 By all means, don't work with Fox.

00:16:53.000 But if you truly believe that you're going to impact the coverage of Fox News by leaving a Fox television studio,

00:17:14.000 It's one of the things that toxifies politics.

00:17:16.000 That we can't have free and open discussion about politics without people threatening to boycott one another is not the world's best element.

00:17:22.000 It's not the world's best thing.

00:17:24.000 And we're seeing that increasingly.

00:17:25.000 This is most obvious last night.

00:17:28.000 So, Christian Nielsen, who is the Secretary for Homeland Security, she was eating dinner at a Mexican restaurant, and activists decided that it would be worthwhile to get her thrown out of the restaurant, that they would protest and chant until they ruined her dinner.

00:17:42.000 How dare you spend your evening here eating dinner as you're complicit in the separation and deportation of over 10,000 children separated from their parents?

00:17:52.000 How can you enjoy a Mexican dinner as you're deporting and imprisoning tens of thousands of people who come here seeking asylum in the United States? 1.00

00:18:04.000 We call on you to end family separation!

00:18:13.000 Okay, so great to mess up everybody's dinner over the policy.

00:18:16.000 Now listen, I understand the passion.

00:18:18.000 I understand you don't like the policy.

00:18:19.000 But this sort of, this sort of young fascist mentality that you're going to go into restaurants and ruin people's lives because you have disagreements over policy.

00:18:27.000 If you don't like the policy, vote for people who are going to change the policy.

00:18:30.000 If you don't like the policy, go file a lawsuit.

00:18:33.000 If you don't like the policy, harassing other Americans and trying to destroy their personal time seems to me ridiculous.

00:18:39.000 And I understand that you think that she's complicit in a bad policy, but how would the left have treated it if people on the right had gone and ruined Obama administration's officials' dinner over Obamacare?

00:18:50.000 Would that be decent?

00:18:51.000 Would that make for a better America?

00:18:53.000 Of course not.

00:18:54.000 Of course not.

00:18:54.000 And then Anna Navarro, who's just completely lost her mind, she tweeted out, Wow, just, you know, how dare she eat Mexican food while also having a particular policy that prevents illegal immigration?

00:19:03.000 How dare she?

00:19:13.000 How dare she?

00:19:13.000 Well, what you can see is this drives a reactionary response.

00:19:16.000 And so what we've got now is reactionary policy and propaganda and rhetoric on all sides of the aisle.

00:19:23.000 None of it is particularly good.

00:19:24.000 I understand President Trump responding with ire to all of the media coverage, which, as I have said for the last week, I think is completely uncalled for.

00:19:30.000 I think it is not only undignified, I think it is inaccurate.

00:19:33.000 And it is promulgating policies that are not actually good for the country.

00:19:36.000 It's preventing the creation of policy that will actually fix all of this.

00:19:40.000 But I'm not sure that the media care about all that.

00:19:43.000 I don't think Hollywood cares about any of this stuff.

00:19:46.000 With all of that said, the reaction by some people on the right has been reactionary in the extreme as well.

00:19:52.000 So you've got the left reacting to what is a controversial policy by suggesting that this is now Nazi Germany, and then you have the right responding to that with some of the worst rhetoric that I've seen on the right in quite a while.

00:20:03.000 I'll get to that in just a second.

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00:21:52.000 OK, so the Trump administration has responded to all of the media malfeasance here with, I think, a justifiable amount of outrage.

00:21:58.000 So President Trump has defended

00:22:00.000 Christian Nielsen, his Secretary of Homeland Security, he said that she's done a fabulous job at The Presser.

00:22:04.000 He tweeted out, Okay.

00:22:05.000 Well, that's fine.

00:22:05.000 I don't see a huge problem with any of that.

00:22:06.000 I think that that's probably exactly right.

00:22:08.000 And I also think

00:22:25.000 That President Trump would like to solve this, right?

00:22:28.000 President Trump is interested in doing something about this.

00:22:31.000 The problem, of course, is that the minute that he issues an executive order saying that kids can stay with their families, the left sues and says the kids can't be held in jail.

00:22:36.000 So we'll see how well that works.

00:22:39.000 The problem is that the Trump administration has handled this about as badly as you can handle the rollout of anything.

00:22:44.000 It's the worst rollout for a major policy initiative for the Trump administration since the travel ban happened at the very beginning of the administration, when they were going out there suggesting that they were going to prevent

00:22:54.000 Again, I don't think the policy is inexcusable.

00:22:56.000 I don't think it's unjustifiable on a legal level.

00:22:57.000 I think it should be changed.

00:23:09.000 Do I think that the rollout has been good? 0.94

00:23:11.000 No, the rollout has just been absolute garbage. 0.56

00:23:13.000 And it's a mistake because what's happened is that the left has gone so polarized that the right has responded by also going polarized. 0.97

00:23:19.000 Plus, you're going to need some better spokespeople.

00:23:20.000 I think that Christian Nielsen is just fine.

00:23:22.000 But here's Trump's ICE director, who was asked whether the policy was humane.

00:23:26.000 And this did not go well for him on CNN.

00:23:40.000 I think it's the law.

00:23:41.000 It may be the law, it's the policy, but is it humane?

00:23:47.000 I think it's the law and I'm a law enforcer and I must follow the law.

00:23:50.000 Okay, that is not a good answer.

00:23:51.000 What he should say is, my personal opinion is that this law should be changed to make it better, but that is not the responsibility of the executive branch.

00:23:59.000 If you're asking me what's more humane, keeping kids with their parents in prison or not keeping their kids with their parents in prison, well, then I'm not sure of the answer to that.

00:24:06.000 But I also think that it is inhumane to release vast bevies of illegal immigrants into the interior of the country without any capacity to get them back.

00:24:12.000 Catch and release is not

00:24:14.000 A decent policy.

00:24:15.000 But it's not even that sort of media attention that is really the worst.

00:24:18.000 The worst is Corey Lewandowski. 1.00

00:24:19.000 So Corey Lewandowski is just garbage. 0.99

00:24:20.000 Corey Lewandowski was campaign manager for a certain period of time during the Trump campaign. 1.00

00:24:25.000 He was garbage then, he's garbage now. 1.00

00:24:27.000 He's really bad at his job. 1.00

00:24:28.000 He was on Fox News last night and he was confronted by an illegal immigrant advocate, an advocate for illegal immigration.

00:24:37.000 And this advocate for illegal immigration talks about a really terrible case of a kid with Down syndrome separated from the kid's parents who had crossed at the border illegally.

00:24:47.000 And Corey Lewandowski responds to this with all the compassion of a potato.

00:24:51.000 So here he is.

00:24:52.000 I read today about a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome who was taken from her mother and put in a cage.

00:24:58.000 Wow, wow.

00:24:58.000 I read about a... Did you say want-want to a 10-year-old with Down syndrome being taken from her mother?

00:25:03.000 What I said is you can pick anything you want, but the bottom line is very clear.

00:25:06.000 How dare you? 0.75

00:25:08.000 OK, that is nuts.

00:25:10.000 Forget about the reaction of the guy, which is made for TV.

00:25:13.000 But Corey Lewandowski, womp womp to a story of a 10-year-old with Down syndrome being removed from her parents?

00:25:21.000 No.

00:25:22.000 And then here's the problem.

00:25:23.000 You can do this policy and still look compassionate.

00:25:26.000 You can do this policy and still say, I want to change the state of the law, because we have to both enforce our borders and we have to ensure that kids are taken care of.

00:25:34.000 These are not mutually exclusive. 0.99

00:25:36.000 But Corey Lewandowski is such an idiot that he goes on TV and makes it sound like he doesn't care what happens to Down Syndrome children who are 10 years old and removed from their parents. 0.99

00:25:44.000 And listen, anybody with any iota of sympathy feels terrible for these kids. 1.00

00:25:47.000 You remember when you were left at summer camp?

00:25:48.000 Imagine that, except that you were forcibly removed to summer camp and your parents didn't know where you were going, okay?

00:25:53.000 The policy itself is deeply flawed, but again, this is not on the Trump administration.

00:25:56.000 This is on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and the fact that this was never solved at the legislative level for the last 20-odd years.

00:26:03.000 But to just go out there and say womp womp when you're talking about some of these heartbreaking stories. 1.00

00:26:08.000 Idiotic in the extreme. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Foolish in the extreme. 1.00

00:26:10.000 Because Corey Lewandowski is an idiot. 1.00

00:26:13.000 Corey Lewandowski is a fool. 1.00

00:26:13.000 There's talk about him coming back as chief of staff or bringing him back into the Trump administration. 1.00

00:26:18.000 Trump would be foolish to do that. 1.00

00:26:19.000 Really foolish to do that. 1.00

00:26:20.000 To bring Corey Lewandowski. 0.99

00:26:21.000 The man has the, honest to God, the man has the IQ of a chilled vegetable.

00:26:26.000 Not even like a room temper, like a cucumber that's been in the fridge for too long and it started to mold.

00:26:32.000 It's so bad for Trump's policy.

00:26:33.000 It's bad for the president to have representatives like Corey Lewandowski going womp womp when people are talking about the suffering of children.

00:26:40.000 It'd be the equivalent of after Parkland, somebody goes on TV and they're talking about the horrors that happened at Parkland, and instead of people saying, yes, that was indeed horrifying and terrible, we need to find a way to stop that.

00:26:49.000 One of the ways to stop that is not gun control, but better school security.

00:26:52.000 It'd be like Corey Lewandowski going on TV and somebody's talking about somebody shot to death in a school, and Corey Lewandowski goes womp womp. 1.00

00:26:59.000 He's a moron. 1.00

00:27:00.000 It's 1.00

00:27:15.000 This is a bill, right, which is supposed to be brought up, I guess, today in the House of Representatives, right, with the help of Speaker Ryan.

00:27:22.000 The House is going to vote on a bill that unites illegal immigrant families at the border, and Democrats are expected to vote against the bill.

00:27:27.000 They're getting a clean, standalone bill to formally prevent child separation, and they're going to vote no en masse, says Guy Benson.

00:27:34.000 Demonstrating, once again, the bad faith that Democrats have on this entire issue.

00:27:37.000 Now Republicans have a win if they look compassionate. 0.97

00:27:40.000 But that means you can't send out people who are cretins to represent you on television. 1.00

00:27:45.000 You can't send out Corey Lewandowski. 0.95

00:27:46.000 The last time an object passed through his head was never.

00:27:50.000 I mean, and I'm talking, I'm including his brain.

00:27:52.000 I mean, like, there's nothing in there.

00:27:55.000 There's an old headline about Dizzy Dean.

00:27:57.000 Dizzy Dean was a famous pitcher for the St.

00:27:59.000 Louis Cardinals back in the 1940s, and he was famous for being kind of a nutcase.

00:28:03.000 And he was trying to steal second base, and the catcher tried to throw him out and hit him in the head with the ball.

00:28:10.000 And the headlines the next day read, Dizzy Dean's head x-rayed, nothing revealed.

00:28:14.000 And that is pretty much Corey Lewandowski.

00:28:17.000 X-ray that dude's head and it looks like a balloon.

00:28:19.000 Sending him out as a representative for the administration is so deeply unhelpful, but it didn't stop there.

00:28:23.000 Then you have a Trump advisor who goes on CNN and he calls illegal immigrants invaders.

00:28:26.000 This is just, it is not useful, guys.

00:28:29.000 The policy that Trump is purporting to push here is not a bad policy in terms of strict enforcement of the border.

00:28:35.000 I like strict enforcement of law.

00:28:36.000 It lets us know whether a law is bad or good.

00:28:38.000 You can't tell whether a law is bad or good until it's fully enforced.

00:28:41.000 And Trump wants to change the law.

00:28:42.000 Sending out people to call illegal immigrants invaders while the left is showing pictures of children is not exactly bright.

00:28:47.000 They're not immigrants. 1.00

00:28:49.000 They're not immigrants. 1.00

00:28:50.000 They're invaders. 0.62

00:28:51.000 They're not immigrants. 1.00

00:28:52.000 Let me finish.

00:28:53.000 Let me finish.

00:28:53.000 They're not immigrants.

00:28:54.000 Let me finish.

00:28:54.000 I did not interrupt you.

00:28:55.000 When you come here without permission, you're not an immigrant. 1.00

00:28:57.000 I did not interrupt you.

00:28:58.000 You're an invader.

00:28:58.000 They are immigrants.

00:28:59.000 Invaders?

00:29:00.000 They are immigrants, okay?

00:29:01.000 Wow.

00:29:01.000 Steve, I am an immigrant.

00:29:02.000 When you come here without permission, you are an immigrant. 1.00

00:29:05.000 Okay, now this is obviously good for America, this sort of political conversation where a guy says invaders and then someone screams for five minutes, just at the top of our lungs.

00:29:12.000 Yes, very, very good stuff, CNN.

00:29:14.000 Well played, excellent coverage.

00:29:16.000 You can't have articulate people on from both sides to actually, you know, act as experts on what applies here.

00:29:21.000 Instead, you have people, one guy come on to shout invaders so that the base gets all riled up and they're really excited because we're stopping the invasion.

00:29:27.000 It's like Starship Troopers, okay?

00:29:30.000 But, and then you have people on the other side who are,

00:29:33.000 Going around shouting, they call them invaders?

00:29:34.000 It's a bunch of children!

00:29:35.000 They're children!

00:29:36.000 And crying on TV.

00:29:37.000 Yes, this is all good.

00:29:38.000 I can't imagine why the politics in America is so degraded.

00:29:40.000 Maybe it's because we're busy calling each other Nazis, invading each other's dinners, and then yelling at each other about invasions and womp womp and all the rest of it. 0.99

00:29:48.000 The level of discourse in this country has become so intensely stupid, I'm not sure they can ever be put back together again. 0.99

00:29:54.000 Okay. 0.99

00:29:54.000 A few more notes on that. 0.99

00:29:55.000 Plus, Peter Strzok.

00:29:57.000 Some notes that affect him.

00:29:58.000 The FBI agent who said he would stop Trump.

00:30:01.000 We'll talk about that in just a second.

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00:31:38.000 So final note on all the hysteria surrounding this illegal immigration controversy.

00:31:41.000 This all could be solved so easily if people pulled their heads out of their colons and stopped calling each other Nazis.

00:31:47.000 But that's not going to happen.

00:31:48.000 Instead, we're going to listen to people like Peter Fonda, who hasn't been relevant in several decades, who's tweeting out, quote, Sounds great.

00:31:54.000 We don't have to take the agents' kids.

00:31:56.000 We only need to surround their schools and scare the bleep out of them and worry the F out of the agents from CBE, ICE, and regular Border Patrol agents.

00:32:02.000 We need to scare the F out of them. 0.99

00:32:03.000 Those are all caps now. 0.93

00:32:05.000 Need to make their children worry now.

00:32:07.000 We should hack the system.

00:32:08.000 Get the addresses of the ICE agents, CPB agents, and surround their homes in protest.

00:32:12.000 We should find out what schools their children go to and surround the schools in protest.

00:32:15.000 These agents are doing this because they want to do it.

00:32:17.000 They like doing this. 0.98

00:32:19.000 F. Want to stop this effing monster? 0.98

00:32:21.000 Really want to stop this giant a-hole? 0.90

00:32:23.000 90 million people in the streets on the same weekend.

00:32:25.000 These Republican a-holes are all in on it.

00:32:27.000 The chief a-hole is happy.

00:32:28.000 We are all very upset.

00:32:29.000 We have to get even more angry with these Republicans.

00:32:32.000 Yeah, that's going to solve it.

00:32:33.000 Get more angry.

00:32:34.000 I'm sure more anger will solve this.

00:32:36.000 Andrew Klavan, he says some wise things.

00:32:39.000 And one of the wise things that Andrew Klavan says is that anger is the devil's cocaine.

00:32:43.000 Well, clearly everybody is high right now.

00:32:45.000 Somebody got a hold of the crack supply and they've mainstreamed it into the water.

00:32:48.000 They've just diluted the water with crack because the anger is palpable and none of it is directed toward actually solving things.

00:32:54.000 If you think that targeting border patrol agents as though they are Nazis is going to solve this problem, you have another thing coming.

00:32:59.000 You want to alienate the other side? 0.99

00:33:01.000 More?

00:33:02.000 You want the other side to become more reactionary? 1.00

00:33:04.000 This is the area where I say that when Soledad O'Brien says we could become like Nazi Germany, then she points to the border policy, I say that's idiotic. 0.97

00:33:11.000 But I'll tell you, one of the things that did lead to the rise of the Nazis was reactionary politics. 0.86

00:33:15.000 Because by the time the Nazis were elected in 1933, and they were elected in 1933, by the time they were elected and Hitler became Chancellor of Germany, 0.50

00:33:22.000 The only two rising forces in the country were the communists and the Nazis.

00:33:26.000 The Social Democrats were sort of the center party.

00:33:29.000 They were sort of holding the country together.

00:33:30.000 They were the governing party for most of the Weimar Republic.

00:33:33.000 They had failed to clamp down on the violence between the communists and the Nazis.

00:33:37.000 And what that had led to was this reactionary politics where the communists were reacting against the Nazis, the Nazis were reacting against the communists, and people felt they had a binary choice between the Nazis and the communists in Germany.

00:33:48.000 And most people chose the communists, I mean, chose the Nazis, or at least the plurality chose the Nazis.

00:33:52.000 Well, the more we alienate each other, the more we treat each other not as brothers but as enemies, the more we don't have decent conversations and instead leap to call each other the worst scourges of the earth, the more obvious it's going to become that we can't live together.

00:34:04.000 And then you're going to get more reactionary politicians on both sides.

00:34:06.000 It's going to turn into every election is going to turn into Corey Lewandowski shouting womp womp and Peter Fonda shouting that CPB agents should be should have their houses surrounded by illegal immigrant activists.

00:34:17.000 If you want the country to fray at the edges, this is how you do it.

00:34:20.000 This is lack of a common culture, it's lack of a civil culture, it's lack of a belief that we are united as Americans in any serious way.

00:34:26.000 Now, how much of the country really is into this?

00:34:29.000 I don't think it's as large a percentage as everybody else does, but it doesn't have to be a large percentage in order to destroy our politics.

00:34:35.000 The most extreme can pull everybody else along.

00:34:38.000 I've talked on the show before about the phenomenon of renormalization.

00:34:41.000 Renormalization is the idea that people who exist on the fringes of politics can pull other people along with them.

00:34:47.000 The example that I've used in, you know, kind of everyday life is an example given by Nicholas Nassim Tlaib, the author of Black Swan, and the book Skin in the Game.

00:34:57.000 He talks about how it is that you can have an entire party that ends up

00:35:01.000 We're good.

00:35:18.000 And then that family decides to go to a party.

00:35:21.000 And they go to this party and they say, listen, we're doing vegetarian because we're trying to keep up with our daughter here, Lisa Simpson.

00:35:28.000 We're trying to be vegetarian just like Lisa.

00:35:30.000 And now we're going to go to a party.

00:35:31.000 And there are only four families coming.

00:35:33.000 And the host of the party has a choice.

00:35:34.000 They can either cook two meals, one vegetarian, one non-vegetarian, or they can cook one meal, all vegetarian.

00:35:38.000 And this is how you get 20 people who are all eating vegetarian because one person eats vegetarian.

00:35:42.000 You can see the same thing happening with regard to our politics.

00:35:44.000 You see somebody who's extreme, say to the rest of the crowd, listen,

00:35:47.000 I'm not going to go along with your agenda.

00:35:49.000 I'm going to keep shouting Nazi, Nazi, Nazi over and over and over, unless you placate me. 0.99

00:35:53.000 And a bunch of people who are standing there with them go, oh, what the hell?

00:35:56.000 You know, I sort of agree with the basic political gist that they are speaking of.

00:36:00.000 And I don't really want to call them out for the Nazi language.

00:36:03.000 I agree with them more than I disagree with them.

00:36:04.000 So I guess that I'll just kind of go silent on the Nazi stuff.

00:36:07.000 This is how you get extreme rhetoric on both sides, right?

00:36:10.000 This is how you get one guy who says womp womp and then a huge Twitter following that says, yeah, he's right to say womp womp. 0.99

00:36:18.000 The polarization of the politics is not good for the country, and again, it prevents good policy from getting done.

00:36:22.000 Here's the best policy!

00:36:23.000 Strict border enforcement.

00:36:25.000 Strict border control.

00:36:26.000 Kids stay with the parents until they are deported.

00:36:28.000 More funding of ICE.

00:36:29.000 More funding of the immigration courts.

00:36:31.000 More funding of the deportation... deportation...

00:36:35.000 Of holding centers.

00:36:37.000 More funding of all of this.

00:36:38.000 This is an actual legitimate function of government.

00:36:41.000 Unlike a lot of the social safety net that's been created over the last 150 years in this country, there is no reason why we should not be funding actual border enforcement in a proper way.

00:36:50.000 And that we cannot do so humanely.

00:36:51.000 We should be doing so humanely.

00:36:53.000 But all of that's being obfuscated by the crying histrionics on television.

00:36:56.000 It makes me just nuts. 0.92

00:36:58.000 It's just gross. 0.53

00:37:01.000 Meanwhile, there's been a lot of talk over the last couple of weeks about the Department of Justice Inspector General report in which FBI agent Peter Strzok, you remember him, he was leading the Hillary investigation and the Russia investigation, and he was also stripping a fellow FBI agent, it turns out.

00:37:13.000 Well, he was texting her in the middle of the election cycle that he was going to stop President Trump.

00:37:18.000 Well, yesterday, Peter Strzok was actually thrown out of the FBI building.

00:37:21.000 He was escorted from the FBI building.

00:37:23.000 According to Mediaite, FBI agent Peter Strzok was revealed to have sent texts showing animosity toward President Trump's campaign.

00:37:29.000 According to a recent investigator general report,

00:37:32.000 CNN reporter Laura Jarrett tweeted the news Tuesday, noting that Strzok had not been fired, but has been kept in human resources following his dismissal from Robert Mueller's investigative team.

00:37:43.000 I'm kind of shocked, of course, that Peter Strzok has not been fired.

00:37:45.000 In a statement tweeted by CBS's Paula Reed, Strzok's lawyer, Eitan Goldman, said his client has steadfastly played by the rules and respected the process, but continues to be the target of unfounded personal attacks, political games, and inappropriate information leaks.

00:37:57.000 All of that is false.

00:37:58.000 The inspector general said that this sort of bias was some of the worst that he had ever seen at the FBI.

00:38:03.000 So it's about time for Peter Strzok to lose his job.

00:38:05.000 It's long past time for Peter Strzok to lose his job, of course.

00:38:09.000 Now, in actual good news today, Nikki Haley, along with Mike Pompeo, the Secretary of State, they've announced that the United States is going to withdraw funding from the UN Human Rights Council.

00:38:17.000 This is a good thing, because the Human Rights Council is filled with some of the world's worst human rights violators.

00:38:21.000 There's no reason we should be funding that agency.

00:38:23.000 The Bush administration also, by the way, pulled out of the Human Rights Council.

00:38:26.000 It was only the Obama administration, because they wanted to kowtow to the world's worst countries, that decided to refund the HRC.

00:38:32.000 Well, Nikki Haley, who is indeed my spirit animal at the UN, she announced the United States is pulling out of the HRC.

00:38:38.000 Regrettably, it is now clear that our call for reform was not heeded.

00:38:43.000 Human rights abusers continue to serve on and be elected to the Council.

00:38:48.000 The world's most inhumane regimes continue to escape scrutiny.

00:38:53.000 And the Council continues politicizing and scapegoating of countries with positive human rights records in an attempt to distract from the abusers in their ranks.

00:39:05.000 Therefore, as we said we would do a year ago, if we did not see any progress, the United States is officially withdrawing from the UN Human Rights Council.

00:39:16.000 Well, this is excellent news.

00:39:18.000 Literally half of all UN resolutions at the Human Rights Council criticizing a country have not been directed in North Korea or Iran or Saudi Arabia or Egypt or China or Venezuela or Cuba.

00:39:26.000 Virtually half of them have been directed against Israel.

00:39:30.000 According to UN Watch, there were 135 critical resolutions from 2006 to 2016.

00:39:35.000 68 of them, 50% were directed at Israel.

00:39:37.000 The whole thing has just become a sham and a debacle. 0.87

00:39:38.000 There is no reason the United States should be spending taxpayer dollars funding a garbage institution like the UN as a whole. 0.83

00:39:44.000 Let alone the UN Human Rights Council. 0.57

00:39:46.000 So that is good news.

00:39:47.000 In other sort of predictable news, Starbucks has now had to cut stores.

00:39:51.000 So this is hilarious.

00:39:52.000 So Starbucks, which has been focused... I don't know where the homeless are gonna go now.

00:39:55.000 I'm not sure where people are gonna pee now.

00:39:56.000 We've heard that the only place that people are allowed to pee and hang out is Starbucks.

00:40:00.000 But apparently, the head of Starbucks, Chief Executive Officer Kevin Johnson, has given news to investors, and he said that the company's recent not-acceptable performance is going to cause it to streamline to improve innovation agility and re-accelerate growth.

00:40:14.000 This means that the company revealed a disappointing 1% sales increase globally in the current quarter, about a third of the expected 3% growth projected by analysts.

00:40:23.000 Bloomberg explained that some of the streamlining Johnson referred to will come in the form of shutting down about 150 company-operated stores intensely penetrating U.S.

00:40:29.000 markets next fiscal year, which leaves a serious question.

00:40:32.000 Where are people going to poop? 0.98

00:40:35.000 We have heard that the only place people can poop is at a Starbucks.

00:40:37.000 You don't even have to buy coffee there anymore.

00:40:39.000 You just go there, you hang out, you poop in their bathrooms. 0.98

00:40:41.000 Well, with those bathrooms closed, to the general public, will the streets be piled high with the feces of dispossessed Americans? 1.00

00:40:48.000 How exactly are Americans going to get their garbage coffee, and how exactly are they going to pee anymore? 0.99

00:40:53.000 Will America become urine town? 0.95

00:40:55.000 We don't know the answers to these vital and crucial questions. 0.98

00:40:58.000 This is what happens when you run your company like a social justice warrior idiot center, as opposed to running it like an actual coffee company.

00:41:04.000 So, Starbucks' abroad growth has been quite strong, but in the United States, it's having some serious problems.

00:41:08.000 With about 14,000 stores domestically, according to Bloomberg, Starbucks is now pumping the brakes on licensed and company-operated locations with a renewed focus on rural and suburban areas, not over-caffeinated urban neighborhoods where locals already joke the next Starbucks will open inside an existing store, which is basically right.

00:41:24.000 Every Starbucks is located across the street from another Starbucks because they figure you're too lazy to walk across the street.

00:41:29.000 Well, they've saturated the markets, but they've also alienated a lot of customers with a lot of the nonsense they've been pursuing for the last little while.

00:41:35.000 And I can't say I'm completely displeased with Starbucks' poor performance given their politics over the last couple of years.

00:41:40.000 Okay, time for some things.

00:41:41.000 By the way, that doesn't mean you should boycott Starbucks.

00:41:44.000 I don't think you should boycott companies unless their policies affect you.

00:41:47.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then some things that I hate.

00:41:49.000 So, things I like today.

00:41:51.000 So my wife got into this show on Amazon, Sneaky Pete, which is, it's all about a con artist, basically.

00:41:59.000 It gets, I would say, more intense as the first season goes on.

00:42:03.000 It's kind of cleverly written.

00:42:05.000 I don't think it's a world-shaking show, but it's enjoyable.

00:42:08.000 It's an enjoyable kind of fun romp.

00:42:10.000 And I'm a sucker for movies and shows about con artists.

00:42:14.000 So the show is Stinky Pete, here's Sneaky Pete.

00:42:19.000 It is from Amazon.

00:42:21.000 Here's what it looks like.

00:42:22.000 Hi, Grandma.

00:42:25.000 Grandpa.

00:42:26.000 It's me, Pete.

00:42:29.000 We make money by knowing who we can trust and who we can't trust. 0.98

00:42:33.000 You're a con man.

00:42:34.000 I'm a confidence man. 0.97

00:42:35.000 I make people feel confident.

00:42:37.000 They give me their money.

00:42:39.000 You stole from me.

00:42:40.000 I can't have that.

00:42:42.000 You think you're gonna talk your way out of this when you talk your way into this one?

00:42:45.000 I'm a very reasonable man.

00:42:48.000 I'm trying to help you.

00:42:50.000 Okay, so Bryan Cranston is the best part of the show because Bryan Cranston is the best part of every show.

00:42:54.000 He's a producer on the show and he plays this gangster mob villain and it's a fun show.

00:43:00.000 It's definitely worth the watch and it's enjoyable.

00:43:04.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:43:10.000 So every movie, it is now indicated by Hollywood that every single movie that is made must have some sort of LGBT reference.

00:43:16.000 It doesn't matter if it's involved in the plot at all.

00:43:18.000 It doesn't matter if it has anything to do with the characters.

00:43:20.000 We have to throw in some oblique reference to somebody being gay or lesbian.

00:43:23.000 It's very, very important this happen.

00:43:25.000 And then, right before release, we'll cut all those references.

00:43:27.000 We're good to go.

00:43:44.000 Well, they're now doing the same thing with Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom.

00:43:47.000 So apparently there was a scene where there's a star named Daniella Panetta, and a line of dialogue was cut from the film that would have revealed that her character, Zia Rodriguez, was a lesbian.

00:43:56.000 She says,

00:44:07.000 Okay, now, question.

00:44:09.000 Why was that in the film in the first place?

00:44:10.000 Was it deeply important to know that this character who probably will be eaten by a dinosaur is a lesbian? 0.97

00:44:14.000 Is that really, really important?

00:44:16.000 Like, is that something that we definitely needed to know?

00:44:18.000 Did we need to know Jeff Goldblum's sexuality? 0.89

00:44:20.000 He's just a weirdo, right?

00:44:21.000 We didn't need to know Jeff Goldblum's sexuality in the original Jurassic Park. 1.00

00:44:25.000 This whole idea that we have to insert social justice messaging into films in the most obvious and clunky possible ways is really stupid. 0.97

00:44:31.000 Now, there are plenty of shows, there are plenty of movies where a character's homosexuality is integral to the plot. 0.98

00:44:37.000 So, for example, a couple of days ago, I recommended a show called Animal Kingdom. 0.77

00:44:40.000 One of the sons is gay. 0.66

00:44:41.000 It's actually somewhat integral to the plot. 0.81

00:44:44.000 It actually goes to character. 1.00

00:44:45.000 But just randomly suggesting that somebody is gay or lesbian and that this somehow magically changes the entire fabric of the movie is really stupid. 1.00

00:44:53.000 Right? 0.99

00:44:54.000 It's something that people feel, something that people do.

00:44:58.000 It's an orientation, but it's also an activity.

00:44:59.000 But it has nothing to do with hunting dinosaurs.

00:45:01.000 Like, what exactly makes it have anything to do with hunting dinosaurs?

00:45:04.000 I don't know.

00:45:05.000 I don't know.

00:45:05.000 But then, GLAAD is going to complain about it.

00:45:08.000 Right?

00:45:08.000 So, this is my favorite part.

00:45:09.000 So, virtually every film, virtually every TV show is pre-screened for GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, so that GLAAD can vet it first.

00:45:17.000 Which is a little bit Orwellian, right?

00:45:19.000 We don't have that among conservatives, right?

00:45:20.000 We don't get to actually pre-screen all the movies to say, hey, that's really insulting to Christians.

00:45:24.000 If we did, then half the movies that exist would not actually be able to come out in their current form.

00:45:28.000 But GLAAD does these long reports about exactly what percentage of studio films include LGBTQ characters.

00:45:37.000 So they say that 12.8% of studio films from last year included LGBTQ characters, the lowest percentage since the organization began keeping tabs in 2012.

00:45:46.000 The organization's report notes that this year, films such as Gay Teen Romance, Love, Simon and Deadpool 2, which featured a lesbian X-Men couple, have raised the bar for representation, but other projects that have drawn upon source material featuring LGBTQ characters opted not to depict them on screen in that way.

00:45:59.000 Tessa Thompson noted that her Thor Ragnarok character, Valkyrie, is bisexual in the comics, and though that isn't addressed in the film, the actress was faithful to that in her depiction.

00:46:06.000 It's very important that we make sure that there are bisexual characters in all of our comic book movies.

00:46:10.000 Deeply, deeply important.

00:46:11.000 You wouldn't want to alienate gays and lesbians who wouldn't otherwise watch a comic book movie if there's not a gay, fake, fictional character living in an off-world scenario. 0.81

00:46:20.000 But I'd just like to point one thing out.

00:46:23.000 If 12.8% of studio films included LGBTQ characters, which presumably means that a major percentage of these films...

00:46:31.000 About 2% of the American population is actually LGBTQ, like openly identifies as LGBTQ.

00:46:37.000 Not 12.8%.

00:46:37.000 Now you might say, well, there are lots of characters in these films.

00:46:40.000 That's true.

00:46:41.000 But if only about 2% of the American population identifies as openly LGBTQ, that means that very few people are actually associating in many places in the country with people who are LGBTQ.

00:46:50.000 So if you're just representing stories, then not all of those stories are going to include gay characters.

00:46:55.000 Right, not everybody has a gay friend or a gay person who is integral to the plot of their character, integral to the plot of their life, and even if they are gay, what does that have to do with most movies?

00:47:03.000 Most movies don't reveal the sexuality of random characters.

00:47:06.000 So it's all very weird, it's all very useless, but again, it is designed to appease a particular social justice crowd in film.

00:47:13.000 You want to put gay characters in film? 0.99

00:47:14.000 Go for it, so long as it's actually relevant to the plot and the character. 1.00

00:47:17.000 But the suggestion that every character has to have their sexual orientation revealed, because even in the most oblique way it's relevant to character, is really stupid. 0.98

00:47:25.000 There are a lot of gay people, a lot of straight people, who don't identify their sexual orientation as the key component of their life, what makes them a good or bad person, or relevant to any particular story. 0.98

00:47:34.000 Okay, we'll be back here tomorrow with all the latest news.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 20, 2018

The Time Of Feelings | Ep. 564

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