The Ben Shapiro Show - The Transgender Tyrants Hijack Medicine | Ep. 1586

00:00:00.000 The American Medical Association seeks a crackdown on anyone who bucks the radical gender ideology orthodoxy.

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00:02:43.000 Well, we now know that if you buck the radical gender orthodoxy, the radical gender ideology, they will come after you.

00:02:50.000 We know this because school boards have been questioned by parents about transgender bathrooms, about the care for their own children at public schools.

00:02:59.000 And the response has been from school boards to basically go to the DOJ and ask for a crackdown on parents.

00:03:04.000 Well, now we have supposed medical organizations writing an open letter to Merrick Garland, the attorney general of the United States, calling for an actual legal crackdown on people who report on what is going on at hospitals that are essentially butchering children, because that's what it is.

00:03:19.000 When you are performing gender mutilating surgery, sex mutilating surgery on children, what you are doing is butchering them. 0.99

00:03:25.000 When you are injecting small kids with puberty blockers, pretending that has no long-term impact without any evidence to back that notion, you are butchering the kids.

00:03:33.000 And the fact that you have so many of these hospitals that are now doing this, that are treating this as though this is standard of care.

00:03:39.000 It's not medicine.

00:03:40.000 It is ideology, pure and simple, because the data is not there.

00:03:44.000 It is simply that easy.

00:03:46.000 The data do not exist for this notion.

00:03:48.000 The vast majority of kids who express some sort of gender confusion will desist from that over time.

00:03:53.000 The vast majority at this point of gender confusion is being driven by societal mania.

00:03:57.000 Promoting that sort of gender confusion is the highest form of parenting. 0.68

00:04:01.000 And to immediately take a kid who expresses some sort of confusion about conformity to gender stereotypes and say, you must be a member of the opposite gender, we're going to socially transition you in school.

00:04:10.000 And then we're going to inject you with a bunch of cross-sex hormones. 1.00

00:04:12.000 And then we are going to prepare you for sterilization and mutilation further along down the line.

00:04:18.000 And then we're actually going to, once you hit 15, 16, 17 years old, cut off healthy breast tissue. 0.96

00:04:23.000 We are going to cut off penile tissue. 0.98

00:04:26.000 We are going to create fake vaginas, or we're going to carve off arm flesh, and we are going to create fake phalluses to sew onto. 1.00

00:04:34.000 This is barbarity. 0.99

00:04:35.000 It's barbarity.

00:04:36.000 It has nothing to do with medicine.

00:04:37.000 But it is amazing how many of our institutions, institutions we all used to have faith in, have been completely overrun by the radical left and now the radical left in charge of these institutions is militarizing and weaponizing those institutions against anyone who would point out that what they are doing is quite terrible.

00:04:52.000 So here is the letter from the American Medical Association as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association.

00:05:01.000 And let me just tell you this.

00:05:02.000 I know many, many doctors who are members of the AMA, and they do not have an alternative because the AMA is an organization that essentially provides accrediting services to hospitals.

00:05:11.000 The AMA can essentially end your career if you refuse to go along with whatever diktats they are pushing.

00:05:17.000 There's no rival organization that is anywhere near the size and scope of the AMA.

00:05:21.000 And so I know doctors who are attempting to create alternatives to the AMA or to the AAP.

00:05:26.000 But those alternatives don't exist right now.

00:05:28.000 And so that monopoly means that these organizations, which again are run by a cadre of very political, very left-wing activists.

00:05:35.000 Then simply market capture the medical community and then cram down a fake standard of care that has nothing to do with the betterment of children in the name of woke ideology.

00:05:45.000 Here's what they say.

00:05:45.000 Dear Attorney General Garland, on behalf of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Medical Association and the Children's Hospital Association, collectively representing more than 270,000 physicians and more than 220 children's hospitals across the country, We write to urge you to investigate the organizations, individuals, and entities coordinating, provoking, and carrying out bomb threats and threats of personal violence against children's hospitals and physicians across the United States.

00:06:07.000 Now, the key word there is provoking.

00:06:09.000 Because if you are actually coordinating bombing threats on a hospital, that's criminal activity.

00:06:13.000 You don't have to urge the DOJ to investigate that.

00:06:16.000 That is a criminal activity, both state and federally.

00:06:19.000 There are federal laws on the books that prevent you from committing these sorts of acts.

00:06:23.000 And if we are talking about actually carrying out a bomb threat or a threat of personal violence, that, of course, has been illegal forever in the United States.

00:06:30.000 I'm not allowed to threaten you with personal violence.

00:06:33.000 That is the crime of assault.

00:06:34.000 I'm not allowed to carry out a bomb threat.

00:06:37.000 That is an actual crime of terrorism.

00:06:40.000 The keyword there is provoking because what they mean by provoking is telling the truth about what we do at our hospitals and driving people to object.

00:06:48.000 And then some fringe characters out there go and threaten violence.

00:06:51.000 And so we're going to blame you for that.

00:06:52.000 You reporting is what is creating the threat of violence.

00:06:55.000 And so you have to be stopped by the DOJ from reporting that keyword provoking.

00:07:00.000 Provoking.

00:07:01.000 Again, unless you call for somebody to commit an act of violence, you are not responsible for the violence that is then committed.

00:07:05.000 I've held this standard across the board.

00:07:07.000 I've said this one million times.

00:07:09.000 Barack Obama was not responsible for Dallas police officers being shot by a Black Lives Matter activist.

00:07:13.000 Bernie Sanders was not responsible for Republican congresspeople being shot by a Bernie Sanders acolyte.

00:07:19.000 Donald Trump was not responsible for people doing acts of violence in his name unless he actively called for the violence to be done.

00:07:25.000 And this is also true of people who are just committing the crime of reporting on what children's hospitals are doing to healthy 16-year-old girls who are now having mastectomies.

00:07:35.000 And they continue.

00:07:36.000 Again, they're calling on the Attorney General of the United States to violate the First Amendment here.

00:07:39.000 That is what this is.

00:07:41.000 From Boston to Akron to Nashville to Seattle, children's hospitals, academic health systems, and physicians are being targeted and threatened for providing evidence-based healthcare.

00:07:48.000 Evidence-based is a real mush word here because there is no evidence to suggest that the best treatment for a kid who expresses some level of gender nonconformity is to pretend they are a member of the opposite sex and then move them onto the path towards sterilization.

00:08:01.000 These attacks have not only made it difficult and dangerous for institutions and practices to provide this care, they've also disrupted many other services to families seeking care.

00:08:08.000 In one hospital, a new mother was prevented from being with her preterm infant because the hospital's neonatal intensive care unit was on lockdown due to a bomb threat.

00:08:14.000 Children's hospitals across the nation have substantially increased security, in addition to working with local and federal law enforcement, both on their main hospital campuses as well as across their ambulatory delivery sites in order to ensure the safety of patients, families, and medical staff who work there.

00:08:26.000 In addition, some providers have needed 24-7 security.

00:08:29.000 Children's hospitals and their medical staffs continue to face increased threats via social media, including to their personal accounts, coupled with harassing emails, phone calls, and protesters at healthcare sites, there's elevated and justifiable fear among families, patients, and staff.

00:08:40.000 Now, up until they get to that last sentence, you're thinking, okay, those are all criminal acts, right?

00:08:44.000 If you call in a bomb threat to a neonatal intensive care unit and kids can't actually get the care that they need at the ICU, obviously it's a crime.

00:08:52.000 But you're now lumping that together with protesters at healthcare sites.

00:08:55.000 So if somebody shows up with a placard outside the transgender child care unit over at Vanderbilt University, then this is now equivalent to issuing a bomb threat?

00:09:07.000 It's the equivalent to threatening to shoot a doctor?

00:09:09.000 That is what the AMA, the AAP, and the Children's Hospital Association are essentially saying.

00:09:13.000 And to make that perfectly clear, they get to the next paragraph, quote, these coordinated attacks threaten federally protected rights to health care for patients and their families. The attacks are rooted in an intentional campaign of disinformation, where a few high profile users on social media share false and misleading information targeting individual physicians and hospitals, resulting in a rapid escalation of threats, harassment and disruption of care across multiple jurisdictions. Our organizations have called on technology companies to do more to prevent this practice on digital platforms.

00:09:39.000 We now urge your office to take swift action to investigate and prosecute all organizations, individuals, and entities responsible.

00:09:45.000 Okay, so that is an amazing, amazing statement.

00:09:47.000 That paragraph is just incredible.

00:09:49.000 I mean, we all know who they're talking about here, right?

00:09:51.000 They're talking about Matt Walsh over at Daily Wire.

00:09:53.000 They're talking about Libs of TikTok. 0.99

00:09:54.000 They're talking about Chris Rufo.

00:09:56.000 They're talking about me.

00:09:57.000 They're talking about anyone who talks about these issues on the regular.

00:09:59.000 Anybody who just plays audio of members of these children's hospitals talking about what they do to kids.

00:10:05.000 If you just play the audio, this amounts to sharing false and misleading information targeting individual physicians and hospitals.

00:10:13.000 Resulting in rapid escalation of threats.

00:10:15.000 Again, notice how they're not actually drawing the line between I report on a thing and then the threats occur.

00:10:20.000 They're not saying that I provoked the threats in the sense that I actually called up somebody and told them to make a threat or that I called myself to make the threat or that I told somebody that threats are a good thing.

00:10:30.000 They're saying that by reporting on a topic, you have now created the threat.

00:10:34.000 Which, by the way, ends virtually all journalism in the United States.

00:10:37.000 It's hard to think of a story that does not result in some additional risk to the target of a story.

00:10:42.000 I'd literally pick a political story, any of them.

00:10:44.000 The most anodyne political story.

00:10:46.000 Let's say, for example, how the media are going after Ron DeSantis in Florida right now over his handling of Hurricane Ian.

00:10:51.000 Well, they keep lying.

00:10:52.000 I mean, they keep saying that that Ron DeSantis is doing a terrible job based on no evidence.

00:10:56.000 We'll get to that a little bit later on in the show.

00:10:57.000 Is that heightening the risk to Ron DeSantis?

00:10:59.000 If somebody took a potshot at Ron DeSantis on the basis of that information, would CNN be responsible?

00:11:04.000 How exactly does that work?

00:11:06.000 Now, what if we're actually telling the truth about what's happening?

00:11:09.000 See, the thing is they're angry because the truth is being told about what is happening at these children's hospitals.

00:11:13.000 About the fact that the AMA and the AAP are not protecting kids.

00:11:17.000 They are damaging children by buying into a completely evidence-free and in fact anti-evidence-based care system.

00:11:24.000 Driven by politically motivated organizations like WPATH, which is an activist organization.

00:11:30.000 Or GLAAD, an activist organization.

00:11:33.000 Or the Trevor Project, which puts out routinely bad data, skewed data.

00:11:38.000 They take bad science and then they craft that into some sort of narrative promoted by medical associations.

00:11:43.000 And if you report on this, then they say that the DOJ should crack down on you.

00:11:47.000 They're openly saying that they are calling on big tech to crack down on anyone who descends from the prevailing nonsense they continue to purvey.

00:11:54.000 Quote, our organizations have called on technology companies to do more to prevent this practice on digital platforms.

00:11:59.000 What is this practice?

00:12:00.000 Reporting, playing their own tapes for them.

00:12:02.000 And don't you trust the AMA or the AAP on this sort of stuff?

00:12:06.000 You can't even trust the fact-checkers on simple things like, did Kamala Harris say that Hurricane Aid would be passed off on the basis of equity?

00:12:12.000 And literally she said that over the last 48 hours and every fact-checking organization then came out and said she was not saying that.

00:12:18.000 So we are all being gaslit.

00:12:21.000 And we now have the institutions that are supposed to be the most trusted institutions, you know, the institutions of medicine.

00:12:26.000 If we were to talk about the single most trusted institution in the West, it would have to be the medical institutions, right?

00:12:32.000 Because the simple fact is that over the course of the last couple of centuries, life expectancy has risen.

00:12:36.000 Death rates have dropped and that means you've had this explosion in life expectancy and in population.

00:12:42.000 And so these are the people we're supposed to trust with the health of our children.

00:12:45.000 But then they say that if your kid comes in, your little girl comes in one day and she wants to wear a cowboy hat, maybe she's a boy and we should start calling her Bobby.

00:12:52.000 And then we should start shooting her full of hormones. 1.00

00:12:54.000 And if you disagree with this, they will blame you for anyone who threatens a children's hospital.

00:12:58.000 Not only that, they're calling on the, again, it's a letter to the AG.

00:13:02.000 It's a letter to Merrick Garland.

00:13:03.000 Quote, we urge your office to take swift action to investigate and prosecute all organizations, individuals, and entities responsible.

00:13:09.000 They are calling for the prosecution of people like Libs with TikTok, or like Matt, or like me.

00:13:15.000 This is fascistic stuff.

00:13:17.000 I don't use that word lightly because fascism has an actual meaning.

00:13:20.000 But when you call for the actual prosecution of your political opponents, specifically based on the fact that they are doing things like reporting the things that you say, that is like black letter fascism.

00:13:32.000 They continue along these lines attacks against healthcare institutions that threaten violence, intimidation, and physical harm have left hospitals, staff, and their communities shaken.

00:13:38.000 Families seeking care at these institutions as well as those providing their care fear for their personal safety in the wake of these attacks.

00:13:46.000 On behalf of the patients and families we serve and the physicians we represent, we thank you for your attention to our request.

00:13:51.000 And again, they use phrases like gender affirming care, which is just a propagandistic phrase.

00:13:56.000 Gender affirming care is one of the most Orwellian phrases in human history.

00:14:01.000 It is the opposite of the truth.

00:14:02.000 They should call it sex denying care because gender is a made up concept in the first place. 1.00

00:14:07.000 Gender is supposedly the idea that there are social standards that apply to males that don't apply to females and females that don't apply to males and they are all social constructs which is absolutely not true because gender is indeed connected to sex.

00:14:18.000 There's a reason why men and women act differently and those are biologically ingrained. 0.99

00:14:23.000 That does not mean that every stereotypical activity of a woman can't be participated in by a man or vice versa but it means that generally speaking there is a dichotomy between men and women that is biologically based And that is undeniable because it exists in the primate kingdom as well.

00:14:37.000 It is not just relegated to humanity.

00:14:40.000 But if you say this much, then this alone, I suppose, is provocative.

00:14:46.000 This is scary stuff and it should be scary stuff because it is part of a broader agenda on behalf of the left to suggest that anybody who doesn't go along with this wicked agenda, it is wicked, that anybody who doesn't go along with this, Their kids should essentially be taken away from them.

00:15:02.000 Because after all, they're abusing their kids. 1.00

00:15:04.000 The best, the finest among us are people who are the parents who say that their kids are trans.

00:15:09.000 Now, you wonder why the transgender phenomenon is occurring in specifically blue areas, and it is. 0.98

00:15:16.000 If you look statistically, it is extraordinarily high rates of transgender identity in places like LA, New York, Chicago, like all the big left-wing centers.

00:15:24.000 You're seeing a massive increase in gender non-conforming identities.

00:15:29.000 You're not seeing it in rural Alabama.

00:15:32.000 Now, the left says that's because of bigotry.

00:15:33.000 If it weren't for bigotry, I guess all of us would be doing that.

00:15:35.000 It would just be widespread across the earth.

00:15:37.000 It had been bottled up, apparently, up until now, throughout civilization.

00:15:41.000 But now, magically, we've reached an evolutionary bottleneck where suddenly, magically, huge swaths of children are now gender non-conforming.

00:15:48.000 They're gender non-binary widgets who could be members of the opposite sex. 1.00

00:15:52.000 Or, alternatively, what we have here is Munchausen syndrome by proxy for a lot of parents who are being told by the media and by medical associations that what makes you a good parent is being so deeply attuned to the needs of your child that before they can even speak, you can see that they're actually a member of a non-binary class. 0.98

00:16:08.000 That they are actually a member of another sex. 0.91

00:16:10.000 And the best thing that you can do is not voice the expectations of society on them.

00:16:14.000 Instead, voice the expectations of a left-wing social agenda on them.

00:16:18.000 Instead, pretend that gender is completely a social construct, but transgenderism is not a social construct in any way, shape, or form.

00:16:24.000 This thing that's been invented over the course of the last 20 years.

00:16:26.000 I'm not talking about gender dysphoria, which is an actual condition.

00:16:28.000 I'm talking about the broad, widespread, societal creation of a phenomenon known as transgenderism, where a man without any sort of persistent gender dysphoria can simply declare he is a woman, and we immediately start using his pronouns and treating him as a woman.

00:16:41.000 Pretending this, adherence to this, makes you the most sensitive, the most gracious, the most independent-minded parent ever, the most sympathetic parent.

00:16:51.000 And then you wonder why parents are doing this to their kids.

00:16:53.000 This is why.

00:16:54.000 And here's the thing.

00:16:55.000 If you don't, then the left will come after you.

00:16:58.000 There's an amazing story from Luke Rosiak over at Daily Wire.

00:17:00.000 This is precisely, I would assume, the kind of story that the left doesn't want reported.

00:17:05.000 The story is about this big walkout at Virginia schools over Virginia's transgender policy.

00:17:10.000 Now, lest you forget, the transgender policy in Virginia is that you cannot socially transition children at school without telling their parents.

00:17:18.000 If Bobby comes to school and says, I want to be called Jane, it used to be in Virginia that everyone at school could start calling him Jane, treating him as a girl and never tell mom and dad.

00:17:28.000 So the new governor of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin, he came in, he changed that policy.

00:17:32.000 He says, kids, parents have to be involved in the care of their children.

00:17:36.000 So there's a big walkout.

00:17:38.000 Maybe a thousand students, a couple thousand students, which, you know, is it across a dozen schools or a hundred schools, however many schools it was.

00:17:46.000 It was 12,000 people walked out of class across presumably hundreds of schools.

00:17:51.000 Those are numbers, but they're not unbelievable.

00:17:53.000 In any case.

00:17:54.000 Number's big enough to get media attention.

00:17:56.000 So what is the- One of the groups behind the walkout is a Virginia pro-trans group with Democratic ties.

00:18:02.000 And it's saying that it will help gender-confused students leave their families and re-home them with new queer-friendly guardians instead, according to eternal materials obtained by the Daily Wire.

00:18:11.000 The Pride Liberation Project, which also says it can give money to students who run away and hide from their parents.

00:18:16.000 garnered a glowing headline September 27th, when it organized 12,000 high schoolers to walk out of class to protest a draft policy saying schools should not hide a student's gender transition from parents.

00:18:25.000 Though billed as an organic group of high schoolers, taking the lead in the materials was Aryan Rawal, a college student who worked for a Virginia Democratic state lawmaker.

00:18:32.000 Materials from the group's internal message board show its plans go much further than a walkout, and resources for Outed Students Channel, created by Rawal, said the group would help children run away from their parents and arrange for them to be placed with new queer-friendly guardians.

00:18:45.000 Okay.

00:18:46.000 I mean, technically speaking, in any other context, we'd call that kidnapping.

00:18:49.000 If you're an adult and you're encouraging a child to run away and house themselves with another adult, typically that would fall under the rubric of kidnapping, at least colloquially speaking.

00:18:59.000 But it's okay.

00:18:59.000 It's good because the parents are the bigots.

00:19:01.000 If parents say to their kid, you know, honey, you may be confused.

00:19:04.000 You may want to think this one through before you start the Gender non-conforming hormones? 1.00

00:19:10.000 And start preparing to have your penis cut off? 1.00

00:19:13.000 If a parent says that, we need to rehouse that kid immediately. 1.00

00:19:16.000 We need to put them with a different set of queer-friendly parents.

00:19:20.000 According to Raul, quote, we're creating this channel as a way for everyone to understand the mutual aid and support resources the PLP has available for outed and in-crisis students.

00:19:27.000 For full transparency, this channel is catered to outed students who are facing familial rejection or need to leave their home for another reason.

00:19:35.000 Well, that's a pretty broad carve out there.

00:19:37.000 Need to leave their home for another reason?

00:19:39.000 You mean like all the reasons?

00:19:40.000 In the event of you needing to leave your home, we can provide you with emergency housing from a supportive, queer-friendly adult!

00:19:47.000 I love this.

00:19:47.000 They also cautioned, this person cautioned, quote, please note, this adult will likely be white.

00:19:52.000 Because it's an upper class white phenomenon. 0.58

00:19:54.000 All this stuff that's happening.

00:19:54.000 You got, be careful, be careful.

00:19:56.000 You might be housed with a, don't worry that you're being housed with a, with a group of adults who are specifically opening their home just to kids who are running away from their parents because they have been indoctrinated into this cult of gender identity.

00:20:09.000 That's for, you know, that is bad news, but the real bad news, that's not really bad news, according to the bad news, they might be white. 0.99

00:20:16.000 They might be white. 0.92

00:20:17.000 You as a parent, you're thinking about this and you're thinking, wow, the thing about that, that person who's housing my child and trying to indoctrinate them into an insane ideology is that they're taking my literal child and putting them in their house and trying to indoctrinate them in a cultish, faddish ideology that will ruin their life. 0.90

00:20:32.000 But for the left, the big issue is that this person might be white. 0.75

00:20:34.000 That's the real problem.

00:20:36.000 Quote, We may not be able to provide you that housing the same night, but we anticipate we can secure someone to take you in within one to two days.

00:20:42.000 We'll work with other supportive adult organizations in the region to find you someone who can provide you a kind and affirming home.

00:20:48.000 The group raises money using the Democratic platform, ActBlue.

00:20:52.000 They also offer to pay for Ubers, Lyfts, and other passes if they need to leave immediately.

00:20:57.000 Just how wonderful.

00:20:59.000 By the way, it also promised to falsify documentation to hide a minor's activities from their parents.

00:21:03.000 There is a section titled covers alibi that says, quote, if you attend an event or protest, we can work with you to craft a valid non-queer reason for you to have been there. 0.84

00:21:10.000 Sometimes this may be a bit challenging, but we can use official sounding non-queer related email addresses, email addresses from prestigious universities and other resources.

00:21:18.000 So we can help you cover up what exactly your parents don't know.

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00:23:51.000 Again, all of this suggests the ascendancy of an intolerant, terrible left-wing culture That refuses the possibility of any dissent, right?

00:24:01.000 If you're a parent and you descend from radical gender ideology, maybe your kids should run away from you. 1.00

00:24:05.000 Or maybe, in the end, we should be like Canada.

00:24:07.000 We should consider actually removing your kid from your home using child protective services.

00:24:10.000 If you are a reporter on these issues and you just repeat their words, then presumably Big Tech should ban you and the Attorney General of the United States should investigate you.

00:24:18.000 And what's more, if you fail to go to a movie promoted by members of the LGBTQ plus minus divided by sign, happy face emoji, pound sign, hashtag symbol, carrot sign, tilde, little squiggly thing that goes over the Spanish letters, if you fail to go to a movie that is made By people who are ensconced in that agenda. 0.88

00:24:40.000 In fact, the entire agenda of the movie is that.

00:24:41.000 This means you're a bigot.

00:24:43.000 We can tell you're a bigot.

00:24:44.000 It's not just the... You didn't even say anything about the movie.

00:24:46.000 You didn't even know the movie existed.

00:24:47.000 You didn't care about the movie. 0.96

00:24:49.000 You saw the trailer, you thought, oh, that kind of sucked. 0.68

00:24:50.000 You didn't want to see it. 0.90

00:24:51.000 Nope. 0.98

00:24:52.000 You, my friend, are a bigot.

00:24:54.000 And this is why it is apparently headline news that the movie Bros has now died at the box office.

00:25:00.000 So Bros is supposed to be a groundbreaking film.

00:25:03.000 And again, I've talked about this before, that there is there's something I call face tattoo phenomenon, which is where You know, you walk into the Starbucks.

00:25:12.000 There's some dude with a face tattoo.

00:25:13.000 And you're like, wow, that guy has a face tattoo.

00:25:15.000 And you're like staring at it.

00:25:16.000 It's all weird.

00:25:17.000 It's like all over his face.

00:25:18.000 And and he's like, what are you staring at, man?

00:25:20.000 What are you staring at?

00:25:21.000 Like your face tattoo.

00:25:22.000 That's what.

00:25:22.000 But so you do a thing to garner attention.

00:25:25.000 People see it and they don't particularly love it.

00:25:27.000 And then it's like, why are you even noticing that?

00:25:29.000 It's because you're a bigot, aren't you? 0.78

00:25:29.000 It's because you're mean, aren't you? 0.78

00:25:31.000 Because you're bad, aren't you? 0.80

00:25:32.000 Like, that's your thing.

00:25:34.000 So this is what we are seeing now with Bros.

00:25:35.000 So Bros completely imploded.

00:25:37.000 There was huge press for this movie.

00:25:40.000 Billy Eichner, who frankly I'd never heard of.

00:25:41.000 I guess he was on Girls, which again is a show that I really didn't watch because I'm a straight man.

00:25:46.000 Billy Eichner, he made a movie called Bros.

00:25:50.000 It is supposed to be a groundbreaking rom-com.

00:25:53.000 And it was a, I mean, we are talking a dud.

00:25:56.000 This thing had a $22 million budget.

00:25:58.000 It had a $30 million marketing budget.

00:26:02.000 Okay, so that is $52 million combined on this film just for the marketing and the production.

00:26:02.000 $30 million.

00:26:07.000 And we're not talking about like overseas.

00:26:08.000 We're talking about just domestically.

00:26:10.000 $52 million.

00:26:11.000 It's opening weekend.

00:26:13.000 $5.4 million.

00:26:15.000 I'm sorry, wrong.

00:26:16.000 $4.8 million.

00:26:18.000 Less than $5 million on 3,350 screens.

00:26:22.000 $4.8 million on 3,350 screens.

00:26:25.000 So I calculated this yesterday, but I'm just going to do it again for those who missed it.

00:26:30.000 Okay?

00:26:30.000 That means that per screen, per screen average, $1,432.

00:26:36.000 1432.

00:26:36.000 Okay, so let's assume an average ticket price.

00:26:38.000 Let's go like $12.

00:26:39.000 We'll go low.

00:26:40.000 Average ticket price of $12.

00:26:41.000 Okay, that means that each theater sold, not for one show, for the entire weekend.

00:26:48.000 For the entire weekend, which presumably you're talking like at a minimum, you're talking Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

00:26:52.000 You're talking a minimum of probably seven to eight shows of theater.

00:26:56.000 119 tickets per theater.

00:27:00.000 For seven to eight shows.

00:27:02.000 Okay, so just to chart that out for you, let's assume that there were not even that many.

00:27:06.000 Let's assume there were six shows a weekend, which is really low.

00:27:09.000 That means there were 20 people in each theater. 20.

00:27:13.000 Okay, that would be a high-end estimate of the number of people who showed up per theater to this movie.

00:27:17.000 That is a massive dud.

00:27:19.000 A huge dud.

00:27:20.000 Okay, so the reason this is a big story is because, number one, Billy Eichner had made a big deal out of all this.

00:27:25.000 Like, he went on national TV and he said to demonstrate that this is a tolerant, diverse country, you need to come see the movie.

00:27:32.000 And then, he did an entire thread about how angry he was that people had not seen his movie.

00:27:38.000 Right, he was really pissed that people didn't see his movie.

00:27:41.000 So why don't we begin with why people didn't actually see Bros.

00:27:43.000 Okay, so, first of all, I just want to play you a little bit of the trailer.

00:27:47.000 And you tell me whether this is a movie that you wish to see if you are not a gay man.

00:27:51.000 Right, which is like, I assume that many gay men saw this movie.

00:27:54.000 That out of the 20 people in the theater, a significant portion of them were gay men.

00:27:58.000 Because I cannot imagine a huge number of other people want it.

00:28:00.000 I mean, I don't have to imagine it.

00:28:02.000 I know the box office numbers.

00:28:03.000 No one else saw this movie.

00:28:04.000 So, here is a little bit of the trailer.

00:28:08.000 Hey guys, it's Bobby Lieber coming to you from the future home of the LGBTQ Plus Museum.

00:28:13.000 Everyone is really excited and totally getting along.

00:28:16.000 This happens to be Bisexual Awareness Week and no one has acknowledged it! 0.98

00:28:22.000 Lesbian History Month was in March! 0.99

00:28:25.000 Nobody said a goddamn thing! 0.99

00:28:27.000 Of course lesbians get a month and we get a week. 1.00

00:28:33.000 So what's happening?

00:28:33.000 Didn't you guys have an announcement?

00:28:35.000 This is a little unexpected, but we are in a thruple situation.

00:28:39.000 You're in a thruple?

00:28:41.000 Um, does that seem like a thing that you'd like to see?

00:28:45.000 Does that, like, I didn't even play you the whole trailer.

00:28:47.000 I just played you like a little bit of it.

00:28:48.000 Is that, is that something that you are desperate to see?

00:28:50.000 Are you like rushing out to see that right now?

00:28:52.000 So, um, I can give you a few reasons why people did not see this movie.

00:28:55.000 One, what was the, I just want to know what the elevator pitch for this movie was.

00:28:58.000 Seriously, what was the elevator pitch where they're like, people are going to be dying to see This romcom.

00:29:02.000 I'm just going to read you a few details.

00:29:04.000 I will fully admit I have not seen the movie.

00:29:06.000 I have no intention of seeing the movie, just like apparently every other human being in the United States, with the exception of Billy Eichner's immediate friend circle.

00:29:12.000 So I'm just going to read you a review from somebody who has seen the movie because Kyle Smith apparently was forced to see the movie for the Wall Street Journal because he gets paid to actually review these things.

00:29:19.000 So here is what he writes about the film.

00:29:22.000 He says, Mr. Eichner, who stars as Bobby, a New York podcaster who's starting what he calls the first LGBT plus history museum, has a lot of thoughts to get off his chest, most of them dyspeptic, about both gay life and perceptions of it.

00:29:32.000 Near the start of the movie, Bobby says that the catchphrase love is love is a lie, that gay people were forced to deploy it in order to win equal treatment.

00:29:39.000 In reality, he contends, gay sex and relationships differ greatly from heterosexual norms.

00:29:43.000 Mr. Eichner then sets out to prove that thesis.

00:29:45.000 But by the way, I think that he's actually correct about this, right?

00:29:48.000 I think Dan Savage has said this.

00:29:50.000 Pretending that gay relationships are like male-female straight monogamous relationships as a typical matter is not true.

00:29:57.000 So him proving that, the problem is not, people don't generally want to watch that.

00:30:01.000 It happens to be the case that the best way to sell a monogamous gay relationship is as the same as a male-female relationship in nearly all respects except one of the persons is of the same sex as the other person. 0.86

00:30:12.000 But when you kind of turn over that rock, and it turns out that Billy Eichner's sex life is like gay orgies, and that's what everybody was fighting for, that people were like... Okay, so. 0.99

00:30:24.000 And it turns out that's what the movie is.

00:30:25.000 Quote.

00:30:26.000 The culture of gay men, as Mr. Eichner and Mr. Stoller depict it, is one in which wild dance parties, drugs, and the availability of random internet hookups forestall emotional bonds.

00:30:34.000 Bobby prides himself on never seeking any kind of lasting attachment to any of the men he sleeps with.

00:30:38.000 So does the guy who catches his eye at a rave, the mild-mannered lawyer Aaron, a genial Luke McFarlane.

00:30:42.000 As loud, pushy, and neurotic as Bobby is, Aaron is cool, confident, and poised. 0.55

00:30:46.000 Someone dubs him the gay Tom Brady.

00:30:48.000 The two men consider the pursuit of love to be taboo, and even see the word dating as off-putting, implying exclusivity.

00:30:53.000 To clarify to each other that lust is all that is being indulged, the pair's first bedroom encounter involves two other men also!

00:30:58.000 And the movie expends lots of imagination on similarly rivaled sex jokes.

00:31:01.000 So, um, you're not just gonna watch two dudes in a rom-com, you're gonna watch a bunch of dudes nailing each other.

00:31:08.000 That's- that was the pitch.

00:31:10.000 That was the elevator pitch.

00:31:11.000 Right here.

00:31:11.000 Also, apparently this movie contains discussions about whether Abraham Lincoln was gay, No.

00:31:18.000 Also, there are significant conversations, apparently, with a second grade teacher about why small children need to learn gay culture.

00:31:27.000 Quote, because in his view, such instruction must begin as soon as possible lest gay people be marginalized.

00:31:32.000 Why wouldn't anyone want to see this film?

00:31:33.000 I can't imagine.

00:31:34.000 It must be bigotry.

00:31:35.000 There's no other reason.

00:31:37.000 Also, by the way, what is the pitch of the film?

00:31:40.000 What exactly are the stakes of the film?

00:31:41.000 So typically speaking, when you are doing a rom-com, the stakes of the film are, are the people going to get together forever, right?

00:31:47.000 Is it happily ever after?

00:31:47.000 Do they get married or not?

00:31:48.000 Do they get married and do they have kids?

00:31:50.000 This is the unspoken stakes of every rom-com ever, is will the male and female fall in love and then form a family?

00:31:55.000 Because it turns out all of society rests on the formation of male-female family units and pair bonding and the creation of children and raising of them. 0.54

00:32:02.000 That's the stakes of rom-coms, which is why rom-coms typically feature young, Marriageable age and childbearing age people.

00:32:10.000 There are a few rom-coms like really old people, but those are not the ones that most rom-coms are about, right?

00:32:15.000 Most rom-coms are like Sandy Bullock at the age of 30 and Bill Pullman at the age of 32 and they're falling in love, right?

00:32:21.000 That's what most rom-coms are.

00:32:23.000 Why?

00:32:23.000 Because all of human society rests on this.

00:32:25.000 What are the stakes of this movie?

00:32:26.000 Quote, the payoff joke is that they might possibly be ready to commit to three months of more or less exclusive dating.

00:32:32.000 Wow, high stakes there for the romcom.

00:32:34.000 Will they only bang each other?

00:32:36.000 Will they bang each other plus other people? 0.72

00:32:37.000 And for how long? 1.00

00:32:38.000 So, I wonder, I mean, so again, elevator pitch was gay dudes having a lot of promiscuous sex, maybe they'll do it with not other gay dudes, but just with each other for like a few months. 0.99

00:32:50.000 Also, just to note here, romcoms, straight men don't like them. 0.99

00:32:55.000 Straight men have to be dragged to romcoms by their girlfriends or wives. 0.99

00:32:58.000 There are zero straight men in the history of humanity who have ever been on like a Friday night.

00:33:03.000 Man, there's a new Creed movie out.

00:33:06.000 There's a new Predator movie out.

00:33:08.000 Also, there is a brand new rom-com starring Cate Blanchett.

00:33:13.000 What's the choice, guys?

00:33:14.000 I don't know.

00:33:15.000 I don't know.

00:33:16.000 You know, Jennifer Lopez is out in Maiden, Manhattan, or theoretically, we could watch Terminator.

00:33:21.000 Like what?

00:33:21.000 There's never been a straight dude ever who's been like, oh, let's watch.

00:33:24.000 OK, so you're starting off with if you're going to do a romcom, the chief audience you're seeking is women, right?

00:33:30.000 Women are the ones you are seeking. 1.00

00:33:31.000 It turns out that, you know, women really like watching about romcoms. 0.74

00:33:33.000 You know what they like about romances?

00:33:35.000 Women in them. 0.99

00:33:37.000 It turns out that that I know that failing the Bechdel test is actually not a it's not a good strategy for bringing in audiences to the romcom, right?

00:33:44.000 Romcom is a female centric category.

00:33:47.000 And so, women want to see women typically fall in love with men.

00:33:50.000 I know, this is like groundbreaking stuff right here, and we're not allowed to say it.

00:33:54.000 We're supposed to pretend that like, women will just go to a lesbian drama. 0.99

00:33:57.000 I'm sorry, as a general rule, no.

00:33:58.000 Women want to see women fall in love with men in a romcom. 1.00

00:34:01.000 That is what, since Pride and Prejudice, this has been the case.

00:34:04.000 So the pitch was, what if we do a romcom, which dudes don't want to see, So, and also women won't want to see it because it's two dudes banging each other.

00:34:13.000 That'll be the pitch.

00:34:15.000 That's the elevator pitch.

00:34:16.000 So, you know how that elevator pitch gets greenlit?

00:34:18.000 Because it's so important, guys.

00:34:20.000 It's so important.

00:34:21.000 That's why it gets greenlit.

00:34:22.000 Because it's so darn important. 0.99

00:34:24.000 And then, when it fails, predictably, because the trailer looks bad, because the topic is not something that is wildly interesting to either straight men or women, generally, lesbian or straight, the and then it dies on the butt. 0.99

00:34:40.000 The answer is because you're a bigot, because you're a bigot. 0.99

00:34:43.000 So this is what Billy Eichner said.

00:34:45.000 So by the way, the funniest thing about Billy Eichner calling everybody a bigot is that he actively alienated all possible audiences for his film.

00:34:52.000 He actively alienated them.

00:34:54.000 Here's some quotes from Billy Eichner.

00:34:55.000 Okay, this is from June of 2022. 0.99

00:34:57.000 Quote, get your fictional hateful Bible stories and your fake fictional religious bulls*** out of our f***ing lives. 1.00

00:35:02.000 F*** you. 1.00

00:35:03.000 That is a direct quote from Billy Eichner. 1.00

00:35:07.000 So, you feel like going to see his movie?

00:35:09.000 It'll reflect your values, probably.

00:35:11.000 Probably it's a way for him to, you know, mainstream his ideas of love.

00:35:16.000 And then somebody else recently and a couple of days ago tweeted about how there were some booze in the theater for his for his crap trailer and he tweeted out amazing thank you for shouting back i'm hearing stories like this about the bros trailer in theaters so let me just say those people we didn't make bros for them we made it for smart people with good taste excited to be releasing it in the middle of a culture war uh you lost I mean, you shouldn't declare a culture war and then just get destroyed, which is exactly what happened.

00:35:46.000 Because again, not because people are bigots, but because you have chosen to run directly into the teeth of pretty much All movie-going publics ever?

00:35:54.000 And also into the teeth of what most people consider to be decent values.

00:35:57.000 And forget about gay or straight. 0.65

00:35:58.000 Most people consider decent values to be you fall in love with one person, then you form a life with them.

00:36:03.000 Even for people who are pro same-sex marriage, that was the pitch. 0.98

00:36:06.000 The pitch was never, we are going to form dyadic relationships that also have the possibility of open marriage.

00:36:13.000 And maybe at some point we'll put it on a piece of paper.

00:36:16.000 That was the entire pitch for same-sex marriage.

00:36:19.000 Was it not?

00:36:19.000 But Billy Egner overthrows that, and then he's like, why won't anybody watch my film?

00:36:22.000 So, now he's mad.

00:36:23.000 So he tweets out, quote, Last night, I snuck in and sat in the back of a sold-out theater playing Bros in L.A.

00:36:28.000 So this was the only sold-out theater in all of America.

00:36:30.000 The audience howled with laughter, start to finish, burst into applause at the end, and some were wiping away tears as they walked out.

00:36:36.000 It was truly magical.

00:36:37.000 Really, I am very proud of this movie.

00:36:40.000 If you have to say this about your own movie, it's not.

00:36:42.000 Great.

00:36:43.000 Rolling Stone already has bros on the list of best comedies of the 21st century.

00:36:46.000 Wow.

00:36:47.000 Rolling Stone.

00:36:47.000 Oof.

00:36:48.000 What's also true is that at one point, a theater chain called Universal and said they were pulling the trailer because of the gay content.

00:36:54.000 Universal convinced them not to. 0.99

00:36:55.000 America, fuck yeah, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

00:36:57.000 Right? 1.00

00:36:57.000 Because America is filled with bigots, obviously. 1.00

00:36:59.000 Now, I should note at this point that Brokeback Mountain grossed domestically $83 million when it came out in 2006. 0.99

00:37:07.000 And it does have a graphic gay sex scene.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, I should note that the birdcage grossed, I believe, $134 million domestic in 1996. 0.80

00:37:17.000 Philadelphia grossed $70-some million, $77 million domestic in 1993.

00:37:24.000 So for decades, people have been watching gay people being gay in movies.

00:37:28.000 It's just they don't like your movie.

00:37:31.000 Like, I'm sorry to break it to you, they don't like your movie.

00:37:34.000 Quote.

00:37:34.000 But he says, it's because you're a bigot, right?

00:37:36.000 That's just the world we live in, unfortunately.

00:37:38.000 Even with glowing reviews, great Rotten Tomatoes scores, an A Cinema score, etc., straight people, especially in certain parts of the country, just didn't show up for bros.

00:37:45.000 And that's disappointing, but it is what it is.

00:37:46.000 You know who you should blame?

00:37:47.000 You should blame all of your liberal friends. 0.84

00:37:49.000 They'll agree with you, but apparently they're all homophobes.

00:37:52.000 That's who you should blame.

00:37:53.000 You should blame all the people who patted you on the back, all the studio execs and their friends.

00:37:57.000 That's who you should blame. 0.78

00:37:59.000 He concludes, everyone who isn't a homophobic weirdo should go see Bros tonight. 0.58

00:38:02.000 You will have a blast.

00:38:03.000 And it is special and uniquely powerful to see this particular story on a big screen, especially for queer folks who don't get this opportunity often.

00:38:09.000 I love this movie so much.

00:38:11.000 Go Bros.

00:38:13.000 Um, yeah, man.

00:38:14.000 So, uh, I'm sorry that your movie failed.

00:38:18.000 I'm not really sorry your movie failed, actually. 0.94

00:38:20.000 I think that it is a sign of the health of the Republic that your garbage movie, which apparently promotes promiscuity punctuated by small periods of monogamy, did poorly. 0.51

00:38:31.000 But it is just indicative of the intolerance of a value system that declares itself the most tolerant value system on the block.

00:38:40.000 One final note on this topic, because this tweet just cannot be ignored.

00:38:43.000 So Lena Dunham, who I've been reliably informed is still a human, and also did a show, which I've been told starred Billy Eichner in it, right?

00:38:53.000 Is Billy Eichner in Girls Night?

00:38:54.000 I believe that is the case.

00:38:55.000 Okay, so Lena Dunham, she tweeted out with no apparent sense of irony, quote, When I go, I want my casket to be driven through the New York City Pride Parade with a plaque that reads, quote, She wasn't for everyone, but she was for us.

00:39:10.000 Who can arrange?

00:39:12.000 You want to know who Greenlit bros?

00:39:14.000 People like Lena Dunham.

00:39:16.000 This is an endless blooming onion of cringe.

00:39:19.000 My goodness. 0.94

00:39:20.000 Declaring herself a gay hero and saying that she wants her casket driven through a pride parade because she's just, she's declaring herself this way.

00:39:34.000 Well, sadly for Billy Eichner, there weren't enough Lena Dunham's on planet Earth to make his film a success.

00:39:41.000 And so we weep a final tear for a film that is bombing on the level of Ishtar.

00:39:46.000 In just a second, we are going to get to the latest in Ukraine, where Elon Musk is now in a bleep fight with the Ukrainian government.

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00:41:44.000 Meanwhile, As the Russian government fails in Ukraine to consolidate any of its gains, they annexed all of these areas and now they can't even defend any of these areas.

00:41:53.000 The risk of nuclear war is rising.

00:41:56.000 We talked about this pretty substantially yesterday on the show.

00:41:58.000 The risk continues to rise because Vladimir Putin is being boxed in.

00:42:01.000 And at a certain point, there are only a few possibilities.

00:42:03.000 One, Vladimir Putin goes, best case scenario, Vladimir Putin, he gets the message, he leaves Ukraine entirely, and then he just sort of sits around, everything's okay.

00:42:12.000 Do you think that's going to happen?

00:42:13.000 Or do you think he's going to do exactly what Stalin did when he was losing the Winter War in Finland in 1940 and dump hundreds of thousands of troops back in there in a mass offensive?

00:42:22.000 Or, worst case scenario, do you think that he maybe fires off a tactical nuclear weapon?

00:42:26.000 on the battlefield in Ukraine. That's a possibility too. By the way, it is worth noting here that even if Vladimir Putin were to leave Ukraine and his regime were to destabilize, the people who are likely to take over are not going to be democracy-minded liberal people. It's not going to be Navalny taking over Russia. The people who are all surrounding Putin are maybe harder core than even Putin is. We're talking about people like Shoigu, who's the current head of the military.

00:42:49.000 We're talking about his spy chief over at the FSB.

00:42:51.000 The people who are surrounding Putin are the most likely people to plant a knife between Putin's shoulder blades or defenestrate him by chucking him out a third story window like he does to most of his enemies.

00:42:59.000 Those people are not anybody's best friends either.

00:43:02.000 So there are not a lot of great outcomes here, all of which prompted Elon Musk to put out a tweet regarding what should happen next in Ukraine.

00:43:11.000 So what he tweeted out was four suggestions under the heading Ukraine-Russia peace.

00:43:17.000 Here are the suggestions.

00:43:18.000 1.

00:43:19.000 Redo elections of the annexed regions under UN supervision.

00:43:22.000 Russia leaves if that is the will of the people. 0.61

00:43:24.000 So first of all, he's assuming that Russia would do that.

00:43:25.000 Very unlikely.

00:43:26.000 Very, very unlikely.

00:43:27.000 But, as long as you're being pie-in-the-sky, here's his proposal.

00:43:29.000 2.

00:43:30.000 Crimea formally becomes a part of Russia, as it has been since 1783, until Khrushchev made the mistake of calling it part of Ukraine.

00:43:37.000 3.

00:43:37.000 Water supply to Crimea assured, so you can't starve them out if you are Ukraine.

00:43:41.000 And 4.

00:43:42.000 Ukraine remains neutral, meaning it doesn't formally align with the West.

00:43:44.000 It doesn't join NATO.

00:43:45.000 It doesn't join the EU.

00:43:47.000 Basically, all that's happening here is that Elon Musk is looking for an off-ramp.

00:43:52.000 There's a poll, right?

00:43:53.000 There's a poll with the answers yes or no.

00:43:55.000 No was winning, pretty substantially, and Musk thinks that that is because of bot attacks.

00:44:00.000 But, he says, quote, this is highly likely to be the outcome in the end, just a question of how many died before then.

00:44:05.000 It's also worth noting that a possible, albeit unlikely, outcome from this conflict is nuclear war.

00:44:08.000 And so, what he is saying here is not wildly out of the box.

00:44:11.000 Henry Kissinger has said something very, very similar.

00:44:13.000 A lot of I've said stuff that's similar about there needs to be some sort of off ramp here because if you're looking to avoid the worst case scenario, which would be the firing of a tactical nuclear weapon, which wouldn't necessitate as General David Petraeus suggested, like mass NATO bombing of Russian assets, which means direct war between NATO and Russia, which increases the likelihood of use of a tactical nuclear weapon.

00:44:34.000 Afterward, right?

00:44:35.000 Let's say that Russia uses a tactical nuke. 0.86

00:44:38.000 And let's say that NATO then gets directly involved in the war.

00:44:40.000 Do you think Russia is going to stop at the use of one tactical nuclear weapon?

00:44:43.000 Like, what would they have gained from doing this?

00:44:46.000 The answer is not much, right?

00:44:47.000 This thing could spiral out of control.

00:44:48.000 Now, it's possible it's all a big bluff.

00:44:50.000 It's possible that Putin is just bluffing.

00:44:52.000 It's also possible that the most likely scenario here is that the West acts like it cares about this topic.

00:44:58.000 And then by this time next year, they've started to wind down the funding.

00:45:01.000 Russia has started to reconsolidate some of its gains in Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea.

00:45:05.000 And they end up claiming that territory anyway, just with a lot more dead people.

00:45:09.000 Hey, there are a lot of options here that are on the table.

00:45:12.000 But what Musk is suggesting here is not totally crazy.

00:45:15.000 And it is worth noting here that Elon Musk also put Starlink over Ukraine to ensure that people in Ukraine actually have internet access in the middle of this at a cost of about $80 million to himself.

00:45:25.000 As he tweeted, we gave Starlink to Ukraine and lost $80 million in doing so while putting SpaceX and myself at serious risk of Russian cyber attack.

00:45:32.000 Okay, but you are not allowed to say this.

00:45:34.000 To even suggest that maybe there needs to be a negotiated solution to this thing is a real problem.

00:45:40.000 So, for example, you had the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany responding directly to Elon Musk by basically suggesting that he F off.

00:45:48.000 This was his response.

00:45:51.000 He tweeted out, F off is my very diplomatic reply to you, Elon Musk.

00:45:56.000 Now, again, I don't blame the people of Ukraine for feeling that way.

00:45:59.000 I don't.

00:45:59.000 I mean, this is like the people of Finland 1939-1940 saying we are not going to do a negotiated settlement.

00:46:04.000 But the question is whether there are a lot of other options in Ukraine.

00:46:09.000 And, again, unless the West is willing to go all out here, which is a point that Neil Ferguson, the historian, has made, that the West is not just going to have to shore up Ukraine on a military level, they're going to have to shore them up on an economic level.

00:46:20.000 They're going to have to make them a ward of the West for the foreseeable future, unless they're willing to really escalate this thing in terms of the weaponry being provided to Ukraine, and in terms of the economic aid being provided to Ukraine.

00:46:30.000 Well, then the likelihood is that Russia freezes out Europe during the winter, gradually over time, interest in this thing wanes, and Russia reconsolidates a lot of ground.

00:46:39.000 Being realistic about this thing does not mean that you're anti-Ukraine.

00:46:42.000 I'm very much pro funding Ukraine to fight Russia. 0.73

00:46:45.000 All I'm saying is that we have to be realistic about how far we're willing to go.

00:46:49.000 The West has a very nasty habit of over committing verbally and then not actually fulfilling those commitments.

00:46:53.000 Just ask the people of Afghanistan who right now are suffering from mass starvation and complete subjugation at the hands of the Taliban.

00:47:00.000 Speaking of which, by the way, Joe Biden, right?

00:47:03.000 He apparently just left a bunch of Afghan interpreters behind.

00:47:07.000 This is what I keep saying.

00:47:08.000 When we make commitments, very often the United States, if it is a short-term commitment with an actual end, we can keep that commitment.

00:47:14.000 That's like the first Gulf War.

00:47:15.000 If, however, it is a long-term commitment, the United States does not have the appetite for that sort of stuff.

00:47:20.000 The United States does not have the appetite for long-term war.

00:47:23.000 This is why, according to the LA Times, During the last 12 years, one Afghan interpreter worked as an interpreter for U.S.

00:47:31.000 government contractors training Afghan National Police and Army forces to do his job.

00:47:35.000 But this interpreter failed a counterintelligence screening after mixing up the Western and Afghan calendars when telling an agent the date of a work trip in Pakistan.

00:47:41.000 As a result, this guy was fired and his application for a U.S.

00:47:44.000 visa was denied in 2021, just a few months before the remaining U.S.

00:47:47.000 troops left his country as the Taliban took power.

00:47:51.000 The rapid and disorganized exit from Afghanistan a year ago left many people in danger under Taliban rule.

00:47:55.000 Among them are interpreters like this one guy who apparently referred to themselves as blacklisted and said they were unjustly barred from getting visas promised to Afghans who helped the U.S.

00:48:05.000 advocacy groups such as the International Refugee Assistance Project say thousands have been affected.

00:48:10.000 The State Department declines to comment on all individual cases.

00:48:13.000 But again, this just reminds you that we did actually leave hundreds of Americans behind in Afghanistan in our rush to get out.

00:48:19.000 One of the things that the West must be very careful of is do not overpromise.

00:48:23.000 If you're going to make a promise, deliver on the promise.

00:48:26.000 And again, you can do that in the short term with an actual off-ramp.

00:48:29.000 If there is no off-ramp ever, we can pretend that we're going to keep doing this forever.

00:48:33.000 But the realistic history of the United States on foreign policy shows we will not.

00:48:37.000 Ask the people of Kurdish areas of Iraq.

00:48:40.000 Ask the people of Iraq themselves.

00:48:41.000 Ask the people of Afghanistan.

00:48:43.000 Ask the people of Hong Kong.

00:48:45.000 All over the world, there are people who have allied themselves with the United States on the assumption that the United States would give open-ended guarantees of their security.

00:48:52.000 And over and over and over, the United States public gets tired of that sort of stuff and withdraws.

00:48:57.000 And so, before the same happens in Ukraine, it might be worthwhile trying to get to some form of settlement that actually looks not like nuclear war.

00:49:04.000 Alrighty, we've reached the end of today's show.

00:49:06.000 We'll be back here with much, much more after Yom Kippur.

00:49:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

The Ben Shapiro Show - October 04, 2022

The Transgender Tyrants Hijack Medicine | Ep. 1586

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