The Ben Shapiro Show - The Vicious Political Manipulation of Another Evil School Shooting | Ep. 1502

00:00:00.000 An 18-year-old gunman in Texas murders at least 19 children and two adults, and the political left and the President of the United States respond by suggesting that gun rights supporters don't care about those slain children.

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00:01:37.000 Well, everybody in the country, all of our hearts just broke at the news yesterday out of Uvalde, Texas.

00:01:45.000 Just horrifying act of unbelievable, unspeakable evil.

00:01:51.000 According to the Associated Press, an 18-year-old gunman killed 19 children as he went from classroom to classroom at a Texas elementary school in a rampage.

00:01:59.000 It also left two adults dead, according to officials.

00:02:01.000 Adding to a gruesome years-long series of mass killings at churches, schools, and stores, the attacker was killed by a Border Patrol agent who rushed into the school without waiting for backup, according to law enforcement officials.

00:02:10.000 So, thanks to the heroism of that Border Patrol agent for preventing further loss of life.

00:02:15.000 That is the worst school shooting in America, at least since the Sandy Hook shooting.

00:02:21.000 Hours after the attack, families were still awaiting word on their children.

00:02:24.000 At the town civic center where some gathered, the silence was broken repeatedly by screams and wailing.

00:02:28.000 It's just horrifying.

00:02:30.000 Governor Greg Abbott of Texas said one of the two adults killed was a teacher.

00:02:34.000 It's horrifying stuff all the way through.

00:02:37.000 Every time you see a situation like this, it's just horrifying and you pray to God that it doesn't repeat itself and then obviously it does repeat itself because there are evil human beings out there.

00:02:48.000 Whether they are mentally ill, whether they're not mentally ill, whether they're motivated by some sort of hateful ideology or whether they're motivated just by a sickness inside them, a darkness inside them.

00:02:58.000 The bottom line is that these hits keep on coming and they're just I mean, I don't know how you can wake up this morning and not just feel empty inside looking at all of this, obviously.

00:03:10.000 According to the UK Daily Mail, Who named the shooter?

00:03:13.000 This is one thing that we here at The Daily Wire do not do.

00:03:15.000 We do not name mass shooters because one of the reasons that studies tend to suggest that you have had a higher incidence of mass shooting in the past several years is because of social media and the fact that there are a lot of twisted people out there who see the fame that attends to mass shooters like this.

00:03:33.000 And then they wish to obtain the same fame by committing similar acts.

00:03:36.000 We at Daily Wire took upon ourselves, I believe it was after Sandy Hook, that we would not engage in this sort of naming of the people who engage in the mass shootings because again, the media tends to contribute to social contagion.

00:03:50.000 Media tend to grant extraordinary coverage to the shooters, pictures plastered everywhere.

00:03:54.000 And when that happens, then other sick people, other sick minds, perverse human beings, they see this sort of stuff and then they use this as impetus for their own attacks.

00:04:02.000 We don't do this and frankly, it's why on the show I don't mention the names of mass shooters.

00:04:07.000 What we will tell you is what we know about the mass shooter.

00:04:09.000 This person was a fast food worker described as a lonely child, bullied for his lisp and wearing eyeliner, carried out the massacre at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas around 1130 a.m.

00:04:18.000 on Tuesday after shooting his own grandmother at a house elsewhere in the city, reportedly after an argument about failing to graduate.

00:04:24.000 So this looks a lot like the Sandy Hook shooting, during which the shooter murdered his mother and then proceeded to go to the school and murder a bunch of school children.

00:04:31.000 Police and officials said that the shooter He purchased a pair of rifles for his 18th birthday and showed them off on social media, fled the scene of his first shooting in a car armed with a handgun, possibly a rifle, and wearing body armor.

00:04:41.000 He ditched the vehicle close to the school, went inside and started shooting children, teachers, whoever was in his way.

00:04:46.000 So, as far as we are aware, he purchased the rifles legally.

00:04:49.000 This does not mean, as we'll discuss in just a moment, that he did not break a wide variety of gun laws in doing what he did or carrying, for example, a handgun, which he is not allowed to do.

00:05:00.000 He's carrying a handgun as well.

00:05:02.000 Two boys and four girls were among those he killed.

00:05:05.000 Also fatally shot were two teachers.

00:05:07.000 One of them was Eva Morales, 44. 1.00

00:05:09.000 Another was Irma Garcia, a mother of four. 0.55

00:05:12.000 Cops rushed to the scene to reports of an armed man who had crashed a car near the school.

00:05:16.000 Also on the scene were Border Patrol agents from a nearby outpost, one of whom got into a firefight with the shooter and shot him dead.

00:05:21.000 An agent was wounded in the shootout but was able to walk himself out of the school, according to a local spokesperson.

00:05:25.000 A number of others were also hurt in the attack.

00:05:27.000 The exact figure remains unclear as of Tuesday.

00:05:30.000 So we pray that those who have been wounded at this point recover.

00:05:37.000 As far as they are able, obviously.

00:05:39.000 Just another one of these horrific, horrific stories.

00:05:43.000 The local police chief, he said that the suspect acted alone.

00:05:47.000 Here's what he had to say yesterday.

00:05:49.000 The suspect is deceased at this point.

00:05:52.000 DPS is assisting with the investigation.

00:05:56.000 And at this point, the investigation is leading to tell us that the suspect did act alone during this heinous crime.

00:06:06.000 It's horrifying all the way through.

00:06:07.000 Well, naturally, the media immediately jumped to gun control.

00:06:11.000 So here's the way that the political conversation usually works in the United States.

00:06:14.000 We don't wait for the facts to come out.

00:06:16.000 There are basically two narratives into which we try to toss mass shootings.

00:06:20.000 Narrative number one is that it's ideological in nature.

00:06:22.000 Narrative number two is that we need more gun control.

00:06:24.000 And if a mass shooting does not fit one of those two motives, If a mass shooting does not fit one of those two models, then we just discard it from the pile as though it doesn't matter.

00:06:33.000 In the past several weeks, we've had a variety of mass shootings in the United States with a wide variety of suspects.

00:06:38.000 The suspects have varied based on race.

00:06:39.000 In this particular case, the suspect happened to be Hispanic. 0.54

00:06:42.000 In the case of the Buffalo, New York shooting, it was a white supremacist, white kid.

00:06:45.000 In the case of a recent shooting in California at a Taiwanese church, the suspect was a somewhat elderly Chinese man. 0.50

00:06:54.000 In the case of the New York subway shooting that happened in April, that was a somewhat elderly black man.

00:07:00.000 So you had a black man, an Asian man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.

00:07:02.000 So one thing that you can see from all of them, mass shootings, I believe, universally, if not universally, almost universally, are male in nature because violent crime is male in nature.

00:07:13.000 But there is obviously no common thread between these sort of ideological motives of the people who are involved in this.

00:07:19.000 One thing that you usually see is some form of mental illness in the mass shootings, some red flags that went up as far as the behavior of the suspect.

00:07:27.000 That's why one suggestion that has been put out there is better ERPOs.

00:07:31.000 ERPOs are extreme risk protection orders, so red flag laws.

00:07:36.000 That has been one suggestion that's been put out there.

00:07:38.000 The problem is that in cases like we saw in Buffalo, They just didn't work.

00:07:43.000 I mean, the law was on the books, but whether the law is enforced is another question.

00:07:47.000 In order for an extreme risk protection order to actually go through a court and for the ability to buy guns to be taken off the table, at least buy guns legally to be taken off the table, requires a parent or someone in the community to actually report it to a court.

00:07:57.000 That didn't happen, for example, in Buffalo.

00:07:59.000 So you can have a lot of laws on the books, and if those laws on the books don't actually do the job, it doesn't really matter very much.

00:08:04.000 And this is, by the way, precisely what happened with regard to this particular shooting.

00:08:10.000 According to Vox.com, which is of course a massively pro-gun control site, there's no age restriction on possessing guns in Texas, but you do have to be 21 or older to carry a concealed handgun without a license under the Permitless Carry Law that went into effect last September.

00:08:24.000 So that's at least one gun law that the murderer in this case broke.

00:08:28.000 It's generally not legal to carry a handgun on K-12 public school property in Texas or anywhere else in the United States.

00:08:35.000 So that's another gun law that this person specifically broke.

00:08:40.000 Again, gun laws ain't gonna do the trick.

00:08:43.000 The jump to gun controls we'll discuss in a moment, and the sort of The sort of shouting at the sky, do anything, throw bleep at the wall to see what sticks attitude when it comes to gun control is far from productive.

00:08:57.000 In fact, it's wildly counterproductive.

00:08:59.000 But again, there are two narratives.

00:09:00.000 And if a shooting doesn't fit the narrative, it simply disappears from sort of public discussion.

00:09:03.000 So you have this particular case where gun control is allowed to be the discussion because it happened in Texas.

00:09:09.000 In Buffalo, gun control could not be the discussion because Buffalo is in New York.

00:09:12.000 New York has very heavy gun control.

00:09:14.000 So instead the discussion was white supremacy.

00:09:16.000 Which the media would love to discuss because, again, they can try to link that to Tucker Carlson or to whoever their political opponents are.

00:09:22.000 Again, it's all about political opposition.

00:09:23.000 When you say that a mass shooting is about gun control, what you really mean is that it's about a group of terrible people who refuse to acquiesce to our gun control proposals.

00:09:32.000 So if you see all of these, the media and political response to the shootings, as an act of political positioning, it's cynical and it's horrifying, but it happens to be accurate. 0.76

00:09:43.000 So in Buffalo, New York, it's about white supremacy.

00:09:45.000 In Texas, it's about gun control.

00:09:49.000 If it's not about white supremacy, right?

00:09:50.000 There are some cases where it is about white supremacy.

00:09:52.000 If you can't fit it into the white supremacy box, you couldn't hear, then it fits into the gun control box.

00:09:55.000 If it's a New York subway shooting, it doesn't fit into either the white supremacy box or the gun control box, and so it just disappears and we don't talk about it anymore.

00:10:03.000 And that discussion lasts for about two seconds.

00:10:05.000 If it happens in California at a church, And it is not a white supremacist, then also it is not worthy of discussion beyond about five seconds, even if it's a hate crime.

00:10:13.000 That particular shooting is being charged as a hate crime.

00:10:15.000 So you can see how all of the reactions to these shootings, instead of trying to investigate solutions that might actually work, we immediately jump to what is the political positioning that will allow me to cudgel my political opponents as uncaring about dead children, which is the height of sickness.

00:10:30.000 That is an evil perspective.

00:10:33.000 I think the one thing we should be able to agree on as fellow Americans is that we are all opposed to the murder of children.

00:10:37.000 This seems like baseline stuff.

00:10:40.000 The ongoing murder of school children by perverse Human beings is something we all oppose. 0.79

00:10:47.000 I think we can all assume that of one another, no matter what we think about a variety of other issues, right?

00:10:50.000 This should be like baseline.

00:10:52.000 Because frankly, if your neighbor doesn't care about the murder of school children, then you really shouldn't be in the same body politic with them.

00:11:01.000 But we now have an entire media, an entire political apparatus that is designed to imply, or just say it outright, that half the country doesn't care if school kids are murdered in cold blood in kindergarten, which is really disgusting. 0.65

00:11:15.000 It's really disgusting.

00:11:16.000 And if you're talking about trying to reunify as a country, I'm talking about trying to come together.

00:11:20.000 If you're the president of the United States, like Joe Biden, and you're trying to make the case that you're a great unifier and that we all ought to be on the same page, the least you can do is stop suggesting that people who oppose your particular suggestion for ending school shootings, proposals, which by the way, would not end school shootings, that if people who oppose you, oppose you, they're doing so because they are either corrupt and being paid off by the gun lobby, or that they are somehow uncaring about dead kids.

00:11:43.000 Pretty insane and morally despicable stuff.

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00:12:54.000 So again, Joe Biden had the opportunity to at least let the United States mourn together because again, I'm unaware of anyone who's not in a state of mourning unless they are just a completely evil human being in the United States over the news from Texas.

00:13:07.000 So the president started off on the right track.

00:13:09.000 He started talking about prayer, which of course, I know that there are a lot of people out there who think that thoughts and prayers substitute for action.

00:13:16.000 Well, it isn't a substitute for action.

00:13:19.000 It is a vital component of recognizing our common shared humanity and the nature of evil, because human lives, innocent lives, were snuffed out in childhood.

00:13:31.000 It seems like prayer is the appropriate historical response to that.

00:13:35.000 Thoughts and prayers is not... People who treat thoughts and prayers as though that is just an excuse to not talk about things, number one, it shouldn't be, but number two, Those are people who just don't take prayers particularly seriously.

00:13:48.000 Here is the President of the United States actually starting off on the right foot here, and then he immediately goes to the wrong foot, unfortunately.

00:13:55.000 The Lord is near to the brokenhearted.

00:13:59.000 So tonight, I ask the nation to pray for them.

00:14:04.000 Give the parents and siblings the strength in the darkness they feel right now.

00:14:12.000 So I mean, again, all of that is appropriate.

00:14:14.000 What is inappropriate is where Joe Biden went next.

00:14:16.000 And this really is vicious.

00:14:18.000 This is vicious stuff from the President of the United States.

00:14:21.000 And it relies, again, on the lie that he's telling about you and your fellow Americans, which is that the people who live next to you, if they disagree with him on gun control, it's because they're being paid off by a corrupt gun lobby that just wants to sell rifles.

00:14:33.000 Or they're people who just don't care about dead kids.

00:14:35.000 And that's about as bad as it gets for a President of the United States.

00:14:40.000 I mean, this supposed unifier is tearing the country apart.

00:14:45.000 He's doing so deliberately.

00:14:46.000 He's doing so for political purposes.

00:14:48.000 And I can't think of something much worse politically to do than that in the wake of almost almost two dozen dead children.

00:14:56.000 I really horrifying stuff here from the president of the United States.

00:15:02.000 As a nation, we have to ask when in God's name are we going to stand up to the gun lobby?

00:15:10.000 When, in God's name, we do what we all know in our gut needs to be done.

00:15:17.000 This implication, this last implication here.

00:15:20.000 When will we do what we know needs to be done?

00:15:22.000 What needs to be done that we all know that we need to do but we won't do it?

00:15:25.000 And why?

00:15:26.000 The implication is we have the solution.

00:15:27.000 It's right here.

00:15:28.000 The solution is X. And you don't want to do X for some reason.

00:15:31.000 Either because you're being paid off by the gun lobby or because you don't care about dead kids.

00:15:34.000 That's... It's unworthy of a president of the United States.

00:15:39.000 I lack the words to describe how morally vacuous and disgusting that is.

00:15:45.000 Truly.

00:15:47.000 There are a lot of things in the United States we disagree about.

00:15:49.000 But the notion that there is a one-size-fits-all solution to school shootings, and we all know what we have to do, with no cost.

00:15:56.000 It's just there are some of us who are corrupt and evil.

00:15:59.000 To say that about at least half, by the way, by polling data, at least half of your fellow Americans is Beyond the pale. 1.00

00:16:07.000 It's beyond the pale even for a president as ridiculous as this one is. 0.98

00:16:12.000 And then Joe Biden trotted out his favorite line. 0.99

00:16:14.000 He started talking about Kevlar and deer.

00:16:17.000 I don't know what makes him think that this sort of nonsense is appropriate at a time when the country is in mourning.

00:16:23.000 I don't know why he thinks it's time to drop a bizarre joke about the use of rifles in the United States while the bodies are still warm.

00:16:32.000 I don't know, like, this is a line, by the way, that he has used many times before.

00:16:35.000 So here he was using it yesterday.

00:16:38.000 The idea that an 18-year-old kid can walk into a gun store and buy two assault weapons is just wrong.

00:16:48.000 What in God's name do you need an assault weapon for except to kill someone?

00:16:53.000 Durant running through the forest with Kevlar vests on for God's sake? 0.99

00:16:59.000 It's just sick.

00:17:01.000 Forest with Kevlar vests on.

00:17:02.000 The deer you're hunting are wearing Kevlar vests.

00:17:04.000 Deer are wearing Kevlar vests?

00:17:06.000 all the time.

00:17:07.000 And here's the thing, he's dropped that line like three, four times in the past.

00:17:11.000 There's a little montage of him saying this thing in the past.

00:17:14.000 For us with Kevlar vests on, the deer you're hunting wear Kevlar vests.

00:17:19.000 Deer wearing Kevlar vests?

00:17:21.000 Do you think the deer are wearing Kevlar vests?

00:17:24.000 Okay, again, dropping these kind of rote political talking points into the middle of a speech about children who were just murdered in a mass shooting is wildly inappropriate. 1.00

00:17:34.000 It also happens to be an unbelievably stupid point that makes no sense whatsoever. 0.97

00:17:38.000 But the nature of this entire narrative, again, is if you oppose Joe Biden in any way, shape or form, then it's because you don't have the courage to stand up for children. 0.99

00:17:48.000 It's because you know what has to be done here.

00:17:49.000 Now, here's the thing.

00:17:51.000 None of the policies, none of them that are being suggested by the Democrats, short of full scale gun confiscation, which is the thing that they will not say, And they will not say it because number one, they don't have the political courage to say so, because it turns out that the American people are not in favor of that sort of thing.

00:18:04.000 And two, it's not practical.

00:18:06.000 It's not practical in a country of some 340 million people in which there are hundreds of millions of firearms to talk about full-scale gun confiscation.

00:18:13.000 Even Democrats, as delusional as they may be on this particular issue, know that.

00:18:17.000 And so instead, they suggest a bunch of ancillary measures, like universal background checks, which would not have stopped this kid from buying guns.

00:18:23.000 The reason it would not have stopped this kid from buying guns is because, so far as we are aware, he had no criminal history.

00:18:27.000 And he had no mental health history that would have prevented him from buying the gun.

00:18:31.000 The baseline idea that universal background checks would have stopped this, or that closing the so-called gun show loophole, which is basically just private transactions without a federally licensed firearm dealer in the middle, that that would have stopped this.

00:18:44.000 There is no evidence that that would have stopped this.

00:18:47.000 All of the measures that Democrats suggest here have not stopped any of these things in the past.

00:18:53.000 Joe Biden, who likes to talk about the assault weapons ban of 1996 and the suggestion is that the assault weapons ban somehow massively dropped shootings in the United States.

00:19:00.000 That's not true.

00:19:03.000 The fact of the matter is that we are looking in the wrong place, but the idea is to look in the wrong place.

00:19:07.000 At a certain point, you have to think when you are, by the way, Democrats will openly acknowledge that the specific policies they are pushing do not actually stop school shootings.

00:19:16.000 They'll say we just have to do something.

00:19:17.000 That's always the line.

00:19:18.000 We have to do something.

00:19:20.000 Again, by the way, it is well documented in data that the attempts to strengthen gun control, while still there are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation, that that is not going to do the trick.

00:19:30.000 Leila Brescu used to be a far left person, writing for FiveThirtyEight on gun control, and wrote in the Washington Post circa about 2017 on this.

00:19:39.000 Quote, I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia.

00:19:43.000 ...and concluded that they didn't prove much about what America's gun policy should be.

00:19:46.000 Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun-related crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans.

00:19:51.000 Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress.

00:19:55.000 In both Australia and Britain, gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

00:20:00.000 When I looked at other off-price policies, I found that no gun owner walks into a store to buy an assault weapon.

00:20:05.000 It's an inventive classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, like a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade launcher mount, a folding stock, or a pistol grip.

00:20:13.000 But guns are modular.

00:20:14.000 Any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, as if they were snapping together Legos.

00:20:18.000 As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun control restriction could make a big difference.

00:20:24.000 Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides.

00:20:27.000 Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them.

00:20:31.000 I couldn't even answer my most desperate question.

00:20:33.000 If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything that I could do that would help?

00:20:38.000 All right, coming up, we'll go through some of the data on mass shootings because, again, the left likes to suggest that there are way more mass shootings in the United States than there actually are.

00:20:45.000 That's not to downplay the mass shootings in the United States.

00:20:47.000 It's just to at least live in the world of reality first.

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00:21:53.000 The data do not support the idea that there is a one-size-fits-all solution here on the shelf.

00:21:58.000 And if we just had the sufficient willpower, we would be able to fix the problem.

00:22:03.000 By the way, what the data suggests is that mass shootings on a per capita basis are actually higher in many other countries than the United States.

00:22:11.000 This is not to minimize the frequency of mass shootings in the United States.

00:22:14.000 It's simply to point out a fact, which is that there are mass shootings in a wide variety of countries every year.

00:22:21.000 Countries including places like France, places like Israel, usually these are terror attacks.

00:22:27.000 Norway and Finland have experienced terror attacks, have experienced mass shootings.

00:22:31.000 The United States happens to be an incredibly large and diverse country.

00:22:35.000 This means that acts of evil are likely to happen.

00:22:38.000 So the question becomes, how do you best prevent those acts of evil?

00:22:42.000 But when you hear people talk about gun control in the way that they do, you have to understand that it seems to have nothing to do with actually preventing bad things from happening and everything to do with castigating their political opposition as evil.

00:22:53.000 So, for example, yesterday, again, it's the same routine over and over.

00:22:57.000 We're not even going to specify what policy we want, but we're just going to tell you there's a policy that solves all of this.

00:23:02.000 And if you oppose us, it's because you oppose that policy and because you're either corrupted in the pay of the gun lobby or something.

00:23:08.000 By the way, when Joe Biden talks about the gun lobby, understand the so-called gun lobby in the United States has never been as weak as it is currently in the United States.

00:23:16.000 The NRA used to be an extraordinarily powerful political force in the United States.

00:23:20.000 It is not anymore.

00:23:21.000 The NRA has been suffering like hit after hit because of internal corruption and serious management problems in the NRA.

00:23:26.000 There are some other gun groups out there, but they don't have anything like serious political sway.

00:23:32.000 The reality is that the gun lobby in the United States is gun owners in the United States, which is a hundred million people in the United States.

00:23:38.000 People who believe in the Second Amendment.

00:23:40.000 In other words, it's a popular movement in the United States for people who are law-abiding to be able to own guns.

00:23:45.000 And nobody who's law-abiding wants somebody who's not law-abiding to own guns.

00:23:47.000 I know there's this weird idea out there that somehow if you're a gun owner or you're pro-gun ownership, that somehow this means you want bad people to have guns.

00:23:54.000 No.

00:23:55.000 I'm just assuming that bad people will find a way to get guns and I'd like to have one to protect myself.

00:23:59.000 And confiscating my gun isn't going to make school children any safer in any logical way at all.

00:24:05.000 It makes school kids less safe because I'm a person on hand who can presumably grab my gun and try and go do something about it.

00:24:14.000 There's no one on earth who if there were a way of snapping your fingers and magically every bad person couldn't have a gun, wouldn't snap their fingers.

00:24:20.000 That policy does not exist.

00:24:21.000 And yet the suggestion of the left is that it does exist.

00:24:24.000 Somehow, magically.

00:24:25.000 So, for example, Kamala Harris, the Vice President of the United States, is sort of odd because yesterday she actually spoke before the President of the United States on this, which is sort of a breach of protocol.

00:24:34.000 Here is Vice President Harris, who responded immediately by, again, suggesting that we just have to have the quote-unquote courage to take action.

00:24:40.000 And this is the common line, is that it's just a question of willpower.

00:24:43.000 We have the solutions, it's just the, well, no, you're going to have to name the solutions, and then we're going to have to discuss them.

00:24:48.000 They don't want to talk about that.

00:24:49.000 They want to talk about it's the willpower, elect us to do some unspecified thing because we are the good people and people who oppose us are morally unvirtuous.

00:24:59.000 Here is Kamala Harris.

00:25:01.000 As a nation, we have to have the courage to take action and understand the nexus Okay, does she suggest what that public policy would look like?

00:25:29.000 Or what's in it?

00:25:30.000 What would stop all this?

00:25:31.000 She just says it's out there, and we all know what it is.

00:25:31.000 Of course she doesn't.

00:25:33.000 Really?

00:25:33.000 Then articulate it.

00:25:35.000 Just articulate it, then we can have an open conversation about what that policy looks like.

00:25:38.000 Are we talking about stronger ERPOs?

00:25:39.000 How are those enforced?

00:25:41.000 Are we talking about different background checks?

00:25:42.000 How is that made different?

00:25:44.000 What are we talking about here?

00:25:45.000 Because you never hear them actually specify the hard policy, because the minute that they do, it becomes absolutely clear it wouldn't stop a shooting like this.

00:25:51.000 And you get the same thing from Barack Obama, who is fond of drawing this stark moral contrast between himself on the side of the—he was the great lightbringer, of course—and all of his political opponents who are on the side of darkness and evil for not simply acquiescing to all of his political prescriptions.

00:26:06.000 Here's Barack Obama's statement yesterday, quote, across the country, parents are putting their children to bed, reading stories, singing lullabies, and in the back of their minds, they're worried about what might happen tomorrow after they drop their kids off at school or take them to a grocery store or any other public space.

00:26:20.000 Michelle and I agree with the families in Uvalde who are experiencing pain no one should have to bear. We're also angry for them. Nearly 10 years after Sandy Hook and 10 days after Buffalo, our country is paralyzed, not by fear, but by a gun lobby and a political party that have shown no willingness to act in any way that might help prevent these tragedies.

00:26:36.000 It's their unwillingness.

00:26:37.000 They're evil. 0.98

00:26:38.000 Make no mistake. 0.94

00:26:39.000 What he is saying is that if you oppose his political prescriptions, which go unnamed in this thread, it's because you are an evil human being. 0.99

00:26:45.000 You're a bad human being. 0.99

00:26:46.000 You're in league with shooters. 1.00

00:26:47.000 You're somebody who wants dead kids if you don't agree with Barack Obama.

00:26:51.000 He says it's long past time for action.

00:26:53.000 Any kind of action.

00:26:55.000 And it's another tragedy, and a quieter but no less tragic one, for families to wait another day.

00:27:01.000 May God bless the memory of the victims and in the words of scripture, heal the brokenhearted and bind up their wounds.

00:27:05.000 So I have a question.

00:27:06.000 This one phrase is so telling.

00:27:08.000 It's long past time for action, any kind of action.

00:27:13.000 That is not a recipe for public policy.

00:27:17.000 That is an emotional appeal to bad public policy.

00:27:21.000 You can't make public policy on any issue like this.

00:27:24.000 It's past time for action.

00:27:25.000 Really, any kind of action?

00:27:26.000 Like if I run into a brick wall, was that an action?

00:27:28.000 What exactly is the action that you're proposing?

00:27:31.000 Is the action that you're proposing cutting greenhouse gas emissions?

00:27:35.000 It's time for any kind of action?

00:27:37.000 Presumably not, because I can propose you five different types of action that Democrats have rejected.

00:27:42.000 Because they don't think that either it will work or that it is worth the cost or whatever it is.

00:27:46.000 It's all an attempt at moral suasion.

00:27:50.000 Find a path forward here.

00:27:51.000 Work with us to find a way to pass laws that make this less likely.

00:27:54.000 by calling them murderers. Chris Murphy did the same routine from the floor of the Senate yesterday.

00:27:58.000 He got up and of course he got all of the plaudits of the media for doing this. Here we go.

00:28:02.000 Find a path forward here. Work with us to find a way to pass laws that make this less likely.

00:28:13.000 It will not solve the problem of American violence by itself.

00:28:19.000 But by doing something, we at least stop sending this quiet message of endorsement to these killers whose brains are breaking, who see the highest levels of government doing nothing.

00:28:37.000 That's, okay, this is crazy.

00:28:38.000 So it's a quiet level of endorsement to not pass bad public policy.

00:28:41.000 You think that shooters are sitting around going, well, you know, if they had passed that gun control bill, that really would have been a signal that they're taking this thing seriously.

00:28:47.000 I guess I won't kill those kids. 0.98

00:28:49.000 Is that, that's really what Chris Murphy, this dolt, is out there saying? 0.99

00:28:52.000 No, he's not saying that. 0.96

00:28:53.000 He doesn't really believe that mass shooters sit around and wonder at the internal machinations of Senate committees on gun control.

00:29:01.000 He knows that's not the case.

00:29:03.000 What he's really saying is, if you don't do what I want you to do, it's because you're a bad person.

00:29:07.000 And of course, you have to go to the media and Hollywood to just make this absolutely clear.

00:29:11.000 So every headline at the New York Times and Washington Post today is about gun control.

00:29:15.000 So, for example, McConnell says he is, quote, horrified and heartbroken.

00:29:18.000 This is The Washington Post.

00:29:19.000 This is The New York Times.

00:29:19.000 No, sorry.

00:29:20.000 Quote, McConnell says he is horrified and heartbroken, but gives no indication he is dropping his opposition to new gun laws.

00:29:26.000 Well, hold up a second.

00:29:28.000 Which gun law is being proposed?

00:29:30.000 Again, the idea here is that if you do not acquiesce to whatever we say, it doesn't matter what X is.

00:29:35.000 I mean, they're literally saying this.

00:29:37.000 It doesn't matter what this empty vessel we're going to say is action is.

00:29:41.000 You have to go along with us or you're providing quiet impetus to shooters.

00:29:46.000 That's an amazing statement.

00:29:48.000 The Washington Post.

00:29:50.000 From Sandy Hook to Buffalo and Uvalde, 10 years of failure on gun control.

00:29:53.000 Again, why is it?

00:29:55.000 Back to our original question.

00:29:56.000 Why is it that when it's in Buffalo, New York, the issue is white supremacy but not gun control?

00:30:00.000 When it happens in the New York subway system, it's not gun control and it's not white supremacy, so I guess it just disappears.

00:30:05.000 When it happens in California and it's not a white supremacist attack, then we don't talk gun control because California gets an A rating from Brady Center for gun control.

00:30:12.000 When it happens in Texas and it's not a white supremacist, we have to talk about Sandy Hook, Buffalo, Uvalde, then it's about gun control.

00:30:18.000 It's about failure on gun control. 0.98

00:30:21.000 And again, the not quite implication is you're bad, you're evil.

00:30:25.000 So Rob Reiner just says it straight up.

00:30:27.000 Rob Reiner, the director and actor, he tweeted out, the blood of every child that dies of gun violence in this country is on the hands of the Republican Party.

00:30:38.000 The blood of all those kids is on the hands of the Republican Party, which is quite amazing since there are a bunch of children who are dying in Chicago pretty much every weekend in mass shootings.

00:30:46.000 And Rob Reiner does not seem to care because Chicago is completely Democrat run.

00:30:52.000 But again, I'm not suggesting that Lori Lightfoot is in favor of children getting shot.

00:30:56.000 I don't think she's in favor of children getting shot.

00:30:59.000 I think she has bad public policy ideas, but I would never suggest that she's in favor of kids being murdered. 0.62

00:31:06.000 Fred Guttenberg, who, you know, you have to give Fred Guttenberg at least some level of flexibility here, considering that he actually lost his daughter in a mass shooting.

00:31:15.000 He's now become a spokesperson for gun control.

00:31:18.000 His daughter was murdered at Parkland.

00:31:20.000 But here he was basically saying that anyone who disagrees with him, we don't love our kids.

00:31:25.000 If you're a Republican, you don't love your kids, which is, I mean, I know parents who also lost kids at Parkland and who oppose Fred Guttenberg's specific prescriptions.

00:31:34.000 Did they not love their kids who were murdered at Parkland?

00:31:36.000 Here's Fred Guttenberg.

00:31:38.000 I heard you with Senator Murphy earlier.

00:31:41.000 He has been heroic.

00:31:43.000 He needs one of these Republicans.

00:31:45.000 This can't be Democrats solving this.

00:31:48.000 These Republicans need to actually love their children as well.

00:31:52.000 And they need to walk into his office and they need to grab him by the arms and say, we're with you.

00:32:01.000 Republicans apparently, they don't love their kids.

00:32:03.000 Meanwhile, you have Steve Kerr, who's been allowed to speak out about public policy again.

00:32:07.000 So Steve Kerr, of course, was completely silent when it came to China and genocide against Uyghurs.

00:32:13.000 Well, whenever there is a gun control issue, he jumps to it.

00:32:16.000 We'll also point out that Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State Warriors, at the height of riots in Oakland, suggested that police officers ought to be removed from Oakland schools.

00:32:27.000 And this is something that he actually said in 2020, but he went viral for a rant that he delivered just before a playoff basketball game last night and he went off.

00:32:35.000 And again, this is not a call for actual measures that would prevent shootings like this.

00:32:40.000 This is an emotional appeal suggesting that everyone who is not on his side of the political aisle is a bad person.

00:32:47.000 Now we have children murdered at school.

00:32:53.000 When are we going to do something?

00:32:55.000 There's 50 senators right now who refuse to vote on H.R. 0.98

00:33:00.000 8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago.

00:33:04.000 It's been sitting there for two years.

00:33:06.000 And there's a reason they won't vote on it, to hold on to power.

00:33:10.000 So I ask you, Mitch McConnell, I ask all of you senators who refuse to do anything about the violence and school shootings and supermarket shootings, I ask you, are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children and our elderly and our churchgoers?

00:33:31.000 Because that's what it looks like.

00:33:34.000 That's what it looks like.

00:33:35.000 So first of all, if you follow his logic through to his end point, he's saying that elected officials, their desire for power is leading them to allow school children to die.

00:33:42.000 So first of all, where does he think elected officials get their power?

00:33:45.000 Typically, elected officials get their power from being elected.

00:33:47.000 This is why they're called elected officials.

00:33:49.000 What he's really saying is that a vast majority of Americans don't support his policies, but he knows the solutions, and so we should just implement those solutions.

00:33:56.000 Well, I'm all ears.

00:33:57.000 I'm all ears.

00:33:58.000 What are your solutions?

00:34:00.000 If you want to say full-scale gun confiscation, say it out loud.

00:34:03.000 Let's hear it.

00:34:04.000 Say it out loud.

00:34:05.000 Just do it.

00:34:06.000 They won't do it, because if they do it, then they know they will lose politically.

00:34:09.000 Because they know that the American people are not going to go for that.

00:34:11.000 And again, the data don't back up the idea that full-scale gun confiscation or gun buybacks or anything like has been suggested in Australia is likely to be effective.

00:34:20.000 AOC does the same routine.

00:34:21.000 It's always the same routine.

00:34:22.000 The idea is that we are going to stand on graves and then we are going to proclaim that you are in favor of this person being murdered unless you support what we are doing right here. 0.99

00:34:31.000 So the irrepressibly stupid Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, she tweeted, There is no such thing as being pro-life while supporting laws that let children be shot in their schools, elders in grocery stores, worshippers in their houses of faith, survivors by abusers, or anyone in a crowded place. 0.99

00:34:47.000 It's an idolatry of violence and it must end. 1.00

00:34:48.000 I have a question.

00:34:51.000 Supporting laws that let children be shot?

00:34:53.000 I was unaware that murder became legal in the United States.

00:34:56.000 When did that happen?

00:34:58.000 Laws that let people be shot?

00:35:00.000 Explain.

00:35:02.000 She can't explain.

00:35:03.000 And by the way, you're owning yourself when you suggest that you can't be pro-life and support this sort of stuff.

00:35:09.000 So you're using this stuff to defend abortion?

00:35:11.000 That's your move?

00:35:12.000 Your move is to defend abortion on the basis of this?

00:35:15.000 Strange political move.

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00:37:22.000 So let's talk about actual things that could prevent school shootings, for example.

00:37:27.000 So, in the Jewish community, particularly the Orthodox community, we've been very worried about school shootings and attacks on schools for a very long time, because unfortunately, anti-Semitic attacks in the United States are, on a per capita basis, the largest form of hate crime in the United States.

00:37:41.000 So, when I was in high school, which is now 20 years ago, more than 20 years ago, When I was in high school, I went to school at a place called Yeshiva University of Los Angeles.

00:37:49.000 That's what it was called at the time.

00:37:50.000 It was directly next to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which was the Holocaust Museum.

00:37:55.000 And the Holocaust Museum had actually been targeted by a mass shooter who ended up then going to the West Valley JCC and committing—he was a white supremacist.

00:38:07.000 He ended up going and shooting that place up in 1999.

00:38:11.000 He actually drove past the Simon Wiesenthal Center, he saw that there were armed guards outside, decided not to shoot that place up, and drove directly to the North Valley JCC rather, the North Valley JCC, and shot several people at the North Valley JCC, killing one person.

00:38:27.000 And he injured five others.

00:38:29.000 The reason that he kept driving is because there was security outside the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

00:38:33.000 We routinely were hit at EULA with bomb threats.

00:38:35.000 I mean, I would talk about once every couple of months, we'd have to evacuate the entire school to a nearby parking lot.

00:38:41.000 Well, the police went in and investigated a bomb threat.

00:38:43.000 Security at places like EULA is extremely tight.

00:38:47.000 You're talking about hardened security protections.

00:38:49.000 You're talking about full-time security guards at every entrance and exit.

00:38:52.000 You're talking about fencing around, like, heavy iron fencing around the school.

00:38:59.000 You're talking about internal protocols for lockdowns?

00:39:03.000 The doors that automatically lock?

00:39:06.000 At the front and back of the building, you're talking about doors internally that automatically lock upon the pushing of a button so as to prevent people from being victimized.

00:39:14.000 You're talking about some bulletproof glass.

00:39:15.000 These are like serious security precautions.

00:39:17.000 And unfortunately, in the Jewish community, this has become pretty commonplace.

00:39:20.000 I say unfortunately because that's the world that we live in and have been living in for quite a while.

00:39:24.000 When we checked out schools in LA for my kids, one of the things that my wife and I did is we went school to school and we asked them to show them security protocols.

00:39:32.000 One of the schools where we sent our kids did not have a full-time armed security guard.

00:39:34.000 We had decided we wanted to send our kid to that school.

00:39:37.000 So we went to the administration, along with some of the other parents, and we said, we are willing to donate to the school so that you guys can have a full-time security guard.

00:39:44.000 And if you're worried that after we leave the school, you won't have the money, we will continue to donate to the school to ensure that there's a full-time, fully-staffed security guard.

00:39:51.000 I've said this before, and it remains true. 1.00

00:39:53.000 We protect our banks better than we protect our kids.

00:39:56.000 Money is not as important as children.

00:39:58.000 And so, in a country where we spent $7 trillion last year, it seems to me that the least that we could do is provide the security that is necessary on our school campuses to prevent this sort of stuff from happening.

00:40:10.000 If you're going to take this seriously, that is, in fact, the best protocol.

00:40:13.000 Not proposals for widespread gun confiscation, which is not going to be effective.

00:40:17.000 Not so-called universal background checks, which, again, is going to miss a lot of people who don't have criminal records and then go and do something evil and horrifying.

00:40:24.000 Even ERPOs are generally not going to be as targeted and as effective as necessary unless you have responsible people surrounding a potential school shooter who are going to go to court and the system moves with alacrity to stop this person from purchasing a gun and the person seeks to purchase the gun legally as opposed to purchasing the gun illegally.

00:40:40.000 What you're talking about is the first line of defense.

00:40:42.000 The first line of defense at schools needs to be the actual security at the school.

00:40:48.000 And so that means some budgetary stuff.

00:40:51.000 About 99,000 public schools in the United States overall.

00:40:54.000 It's a lot of public schools in the United States.

00:40:57.000 And private schools, by the way, if you go to most private schools, most private schools do have pretty significant security.

00:41:04.000 If you go to public schools, they tend to have lesser security in a lot of areas.

00:41:08.000 The cost to do this sort of stuff, it's not cheap.

00:41:11.000 You're gonna have to install security systems, you're gonna have to install some hard barriers, you're gonna have to hire a bunch of security guards, probably, you're talking about several hundred thousand security guards across the country, because you have 99,000 public schools across the country, and you figure that you need a security guard to student ratio of a particular size.

00:41:29.000 You're gonna have to hire several security guards per campus.

00:41:31.000 There'll be presumably full-time security guards right there from morning until evening when the kids let out from school.

00:41:37.000 You're gonna have to put in some security systems with cameras and all of this.

00:41:41.000 Are you talking about billions of dollars?

00:41:43.000 Well, as the Democrats are fond of saying about nearly everything in life, are you telling me we don't have the money for this?

00:41:49.000 Is that your suggestion that we don't have the money?

00:41:50.000 We literally just sent $40 billion to Ukraine at the drop of a hat to provide them with offensive weaponry to fight back against the Russians in Donbass.

00:41:59.000 I think that it's fine to send Ukrainians that sort of money. 1.00

00:42:03.000 And we are fighting back against a geopolitical enemy in Russia.

00:42:07.000 When it comes to protecting our own kids at the schools, it seems to me that passing some sort of supplemental funding bill on the federal level that helps provide for a one-time hard cost in terms of security Protocol for public schools around the country that allows them to build the fencing that they need so that you can't just drive a truck through the fence, which is apparently what happened in this particular case.

00:42:28.000 And so that you have lockdown protocols where you actually have to buzz in in order to get into the building and where you have security guards who are on hand there.

00:42:36.000 Now, there are a lot of people out there, particularly on the left, who then will say things, who oppose the policy.

00:42:40.000 Now, if you oppose this policy, notice one thing I'm not saying. 0.97

00:42:43.000 If you oppose what I'm suggesting here, notice what I'm not saying, that you want dead kids. 0.65

00:42:46.000 I don't think you want dead kids, because I don't think you're an evil person.

00:42:50.000 I think that you're wrong, but I don't think that you're evil.

00:42:52.000 And there's some people who will say, who oppose this policy, that this sort of militarizes our schools and makes kids feel unsafe.

00:42:57.000 I have a question.

00:42:58.000 You're the same people who are constantly saying that school shootings like this put every kid in the country on edge, and we need to have duck and cover drills that are wildly ineffective at presumably doing anything with regard to protecting kids.

00:43:08.000 My kids go to a school with heavy security.

00:43:10.000 I went to a school with heavy security.

00:43:11.000 Kids all over the world go to schools with heavy security.

00:43:13.000 And you know what?

00:43:14.000 They're fine.

00:43:15.000 The notion that that is anywhere near as damaging as the palpable fear that somebody could walk into a school at any time and just start murdering children.

00:43:22.000 That doesn't seem like a particularly hard balance.

00:43:25.000 So if we're going to talk about spending lots of money, if we're going to talk about things that we can do today to help protect kids, it seems to me that what we should be talking about is security at the schools, considering what we are talking about right now is insecurity at the schools.

00:43:38.000 Rather than how removing guns from law-abiding citizens is somehow magically going to affect school shooters, or how passing legislation that Chris Murphy announces may not stop school shootings will somehow affect the brains that are broken, according to him, of school shooters and magically cure the problem.

00:43:54.000 How about we actually discuss solutions as opposed to doing what we are now doing in the media and in politics, which is just imply that everybody that you don't like is on the side of the school shooter.

00:44:04.000 Again, I think in this country, pretty much nobody's on the side of the school shooter.

00:44:06.000 If I thought differently, we would be in a civil war at this point.

00:44:09.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with additional content.

00:44:11.000 In the meantime, go check out the Michael Moller Show that's available right now.

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00:44:44.000 The World Economic Forum plans our dystopian future, State Farm backs down from transing the kids, and demagogues exploit a horrific tragedy to score cheap political points.

The Ben Shapiro Show - May 25, 2022

The Vicious Political Manipulation of Another Evil School Shooting | Ep. 1502

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