The Ben Shapiro Show - To Bee Or Not To Bee | Ep. 551

00:00:00.000 Samantha Bee gets herself into hot water, Roseanne begs for clemency, and Joy Reid somehow keeps on keeping on.

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00:01:31.000 So Samantha Bee yesterday, of course, was the big news because Samantha Bee called Ivanka Trump a feckless C word.

00:01:38.000 Why?

00:01:38.000 Because Ivanka Trump had committed the grave sin of having the gall to photograph herself with her child over Memorial Day weekend.

00:01:46.000 Why, you ask, would this make her a feckless seaward? 1.00

00:01:48.000 Well, because, apparently, at the border, illegal immigrant parents are being separated from their children.

00:01:53.000 What does that have to do with Ivanka Trump, you ask?

00:01:54.000 Nothing!

00:01:54.000 The answer is nothing.

00:01:55.000 But, Samantha Bee decided that this made Ivanka Trump a feckless seaward, and that she should instead dress sexy for her dad because her dad wants to have sex with her, according to Samantha Bee, and then she should stump for Samantha Bee's preferred immigration policy. 1.00

00:02:06.000 Well, all of this broke, and the right, predictably, and correctly, went nuts. 0.99

00:02:11.000 They said, this is insane.

00:02:12.000 Why would you go after Ivanka Trump this way?

00:02:14.000 We just had a controversy in which Roseanne Barr lost her show for using a racist slur against Valerie Jarrett.

00:02:19.000 And her show actually had ratings, unlike Samantha Bee's show, where seven people watch it, including Samantha Bee's immediate family.

00:02:25.000 And yet, Samantha Bee still gets to remain on air. 0.76

00:02:28.000 Now, I'm not calling for Samantha Bee to be fired because, frankly, I think that her viewers got exactly what they were looking for.

00:02:34.000 I think TBS hired her knowing full well what they were getting.

00:02:36.000 I think the Roseanne situation is just a little bit different in the sense that when Roseanne's creators decided to put her on the air, they were not fully expecting that she was going to do this, and it sort of undercuts the integrity of their product.

00:02:48.000 Samantha Bee didn't undercut the integrity of her product. 0.68

00:02:50.000 This is her product.

00:02:51.000 Her product is being a vile, terrible person who says vile, terrible things about people who she disagrees with. 1.00

00:02:56.000 Right, that is her product.

00:02:57.000 So, I don't see why she should be thrown off her air for promoting her product. 0.91

00:03:00.000 I also don't see why Samantha Bee should apologize, because her apology is going to be fake anyway. 0.65

00:03:05.000 So she did apologize yesterday.

00:03:06.000 She put out a statement saying that she crossed a line. 0.86

00:03:09.000 Her original apology is just ridiculous.

00:03:12.000 She says, I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night. 0.89

00:03:18.000 It was inappropriate and inexcusable.

00:03:20.000 I crossed a line and I deeply regret it.

00:03:22.000 Okay, do you really believe that Samantha Bee deeply regrets it, or is it that advertisers were starting to drop out of her show?

00:03:28.000 I don't think she deeply regrets it.

00:03:30.000 I think that's a bunch of horse poopoo.

00:03:31.000 I don't think that's correct at all.

00:03:33.000 And then CBS put out its own apology.

00:03:35.000 Quote, Samantha Bee has taken the right action in apologizing for the violent and inappropriate language she used about Ivanka Trump last night.

00:03:41.000 Those words should not have been aired.

00:03:42.000 It was our mistake, too, and we regret it. 0.97

00:03:44.000 Well, damn right it's your mistake. 0.97

00:03:45.000 Samantha Bee, unlike Roseanne, who's just tweeting out crazy stuff because it was late at night and Roseanne's a crazy person who takes Ambien, 1.00

00:03:51.000 Okay, I actually believe her Ambien story in the sense that Roseanne is actually a crazy person, and Ambien makes crazy people crazier. 0.52

00:03:58.000 It makes sane people a little bit crazier. 0.96

00:04:00.000 It doesn't make them racist, but if you're a little racist, it's gonna make you more racist, presumably.

00:04:03.000 But in any case, TBS's statement that they are responsible, this is correct.

00:04:07.000 Samantha Bee's rant was scripted, it was put into the script, it was filmed, it was distributed, it was greenlit.

00:04:13.000 Everybody at every step of the way had an opportunity to say, guys, this might be a little over the top, but they didn't, because why would they?

00:04:19.000 Because

00:04:21.000 This is what Samantha Bee does for a living. 1.00

00:04:22.000 I mean, there's nothing.

00:04:23.000 And how do I know that this is fake?

00:04:25.000 Here's how I know this is fake.

00:04:26.000 So, it demonstrates just how tied in Samantha Bee is to the mentality of the left. 1.00

00:04:31.000 You know, what has happened to Samantha Bee over the last 24 hours.

00:04:34.000 There was a tweet from Chris Hayes that was just inane about Roseanne, basically saying that Roseanne's worldview represents a large segment of the Trump base, or significant segments of the Trump base.

00:04:42.000 That's what he had suggested.

00:04:44.000 There's no evidence to suggest that at all.

00:04:45.000 That large segments of the Trump base believe that Valerie Jarrett looks like an ape, or believe that it's appropriate to say such things in the first place. 0.87

00:04:52.000 That's just absurd, and there's no evidence to support it.

00:04:54.000 There's pretty good evidence to support the idea that a lot of Samantha Bee's base are Hillary Clinton's base, and they all believe what Samantha Bee just said.

00:05:01.000 It's really funny. 0.91

00:05:02.000 I was at a wedding for my sister over the weekend, and a person who shall remain nameless came up to me and was talking about politics a little bit, and at one point actually said, I wish someone would shoot Donald Trump. 0.99

00:05:13.000 And I said, are you insane? 0.99

00:05:15.000 Like, why would you say that? 1.00

00:05:16.000 Like, no.

00:05:17.000 That's a no.

00:05:18.000 But he said this in, like, normal conversation.

00:05:20.000 Because this is the way a lot of people on the left think.

00:05:23.000 Well, this is also true for Samantha Bee.

00:05:25.000 Right?

00:05:25.000 Because Samantha Bee, how do I know that her apology was false and that a bunch of people defended her?

00:05:30.000 Because her apology was false and a bunch of people defended her.

00:05:33.000 So first, her fake apology.

00:05:34.000 So she sent that apology.

00:05:35.000 She's so sorry.

00:05:37.000 Then she got an award.

00:05:38.000 I'm not kidding.

00:05:39.000 She got an award from the Television Academy for social change, right?

00:05:43.000 Because she's a good person who infects social change by shouting the c-word on air about Ivanka Trump for holding her baby. 1.00

00:05:50.000 So here is what Samantha... So this is the funny part.

00:05:52.000 Television Academy does the social change award about freedom in the media, free press, Samantha Bee changing the world, and they bar the press.

00:05:59.000 They legitimately bar the media from essentially a free press celebration award because Samantha Bee was in a lot of hot water.

00:06:05.000 So it doesn't matter.

00:06:06.000 Her speech leaked anyway.

00:06:07.000 And here's what Samantha Bee said.

00:06:08.000 She said, quote.

00:06:09.000 Every week I strive to show the world as I see it, unfiltered.

00:06:12.000 Sometimes I should probably have a filter.

00:06:14.000 I accept that.

00:06:15.000 I take it seriously when I get it right, and I do take responsibility when I get it wrong.

00:06:19.000 We spent the day wrestling with the repercussions of one bad word, when we all should have spent the day incensed that as a nation we are wrenching children from their parents and treating people legally seeking asylum as criminals.

00:06:29.000 Okay, so you apologize, but it's our fault, so it's my fault.

00:06:35.000 So I got offended that you called Ivanka Trump a c-word, and that's my fault, because really I should be more worried about the children at the border, in which case it should be okay that you called her a c-word, in which case it's totally fine. 0.99

00:06:48.000 That's the logic here.

00:06:49.000 There are a bunch of points to make on this particular topic.

00:06:57.000 First of all, I want to point out, a bunch of folks on the left actually support Samantha Bee's language.

00:07:01.000 Unlike Roseanne, who found no defenders.

00:07:03.000 Even the people who are saying that she should be left on air were not defending her actual comments.

00:07:07.000 Samantha Bee actually found defenders in the press. 0.95

00:07:09.000 She found defenders in Hollywood.

00:07:10.000 It's really absurd.

00:07:11.000 So let's start with Joss Whedon.

00:07:17.000 Talented director. 0.98

00:07:17.000 Gross person. 0.98

00:07:19.000 Quite possible. 0.97

00:07:19.000 Happens all the time. 0.97

00:07:20.000 Here's what Joss Whedon tweeted, quote, Ivanka legitimized Trump by being pretty and seeming sane. 1.00

00:07:26.000 Well, what?

00:07:28.000 Like, why is that her problem?

00:07:29.000 Ivanka legitimized Trump by being pretty and seeming sane.

00:07:32.000 And Libs created a kind of sexist Rapunzel narrative that she was trapped. 0.92

00:07:36.000 She's from a crime family. 1.00

00:07:37.000 She married into a crime family.

00:07:39.000 She's a grown-up.

00:07:40.000 She will do as much damage as she can get away with. 1.00

00:07:41.000 Sam was too kind.

00:07:43.000 So yes, this happens to be a fairly widely held opinion on the left, is that Ivanka Trump is an emissary of evil.

00:07:49.000 And then Sally Field, who you've not heard of for years.

00:07:52.000 It turns out that she doesn't like Ivanka.

00:07:54.000 She really doesn't like Ivanka.

00:07:56.000 She says, I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she has flat wrongs to call Ivanka a C-word. 1.00

00:08:00.000 C-words are powerful, beautiful, nurturing, and honest.

00:08:03.000 OK, and so I have a few questions about this.

00:08:08.000 I mean, we can start with the question as to what makes a body part honest.

00:08:11.000 That's kind of weird.

00:08:13.000 I'm not sure why the body part is also nurturing.

00:08:15.000 That was kind of weird as well.

00:08:16.000 But in any case, Sally,

00:08:18.000 I don't know.

00:08:36.000 An emissary of Hollywood, and Hollywood is very much in favor of Samantha Bee. 0.91

00:08:39.000 Kathy Griffin, of course, came out and defended Samantha Bee. 0.94

00:08:41.000 No shock there, because Kathy Griffin is gross. 1.00

00:08:43.000 What's hilarious is that the mainstream media also defended Samantha Bee.

00:08:46.000 So, I just have to give you some of the headlines from the media.

00:08:50.000 Now remember, the headline about Roseanne Barr is Roseanne Barr tweets racist nonsense at Valerie Jarrett, or Roseanne Barr calls Valerie Jarrett an ape, or whatever the headline was, but they were all anti-Roseanne Barr, obviously. 0.51

00:09:01.000 Then, there's the media's coverage of the Samantha Bee comments.

00:09:06.000 Hey, these are headlines.

00:09:07.000 OK, here's a headline from USA Today.

00:09:10.000 The headline from USA Today was Samantha Bee has a message for Ivanka Trump.

00:09:15.000 Has a message for Ivanka Trump? 1.00

00:09:17.000 She called her a feckless c-word and suggested that she should have sex with her own father. 1.00

00:09:20.000 That's not really a message so much as, you know, calling her a feckless c-word. 1.00

00:09:24.000 I mean, imagine if they had run a headline that said, Roseanne Barr has a message for Valerie Jarrett. 0.87

00:09:29.000 The whole thing's absurd. 0.95

00:09:30.000 It's just ridiculous. 0.83

00:09:31.000 And here's what the Washington Post went with. 0.94

00:09:33.000 Okay, this is their headline.

00:09:34.000 Why the c-word is so taboo and why some women want to reclaim it. 1.00

00:09:38.000 Because you see, Samantha Bee actually was reclaiming the c-word for women by calling another woman the c-word. 0.98

00:09:43.000 She was reclaiming it.

00:09:44.000 Feminism means calling women you don't like the c-word. 1.00

00:09:47.000 Just like good race relations mean calling people you don't like the n-word.

00:09:51.000 You know, this is what I do.

00:09:52.000 When I want to have good relations with another Jew, the first thing I do is I break out the k-word and I just use that all the time. 1.00

00:09:57.000 I mean, you can ask Jess.

00:10:00.000 Every time I'm angry with Jess, you know, just in order so that we can get close, I use the S-word to describe her.

00:10:04.000 It's just something that I do.

00:10:06.000 You know, like, what in the world?

00:10:08.000 But this is coming from the Washington Post.

00:10:10.000 The C-word is taboo, but some women want to reclaim it by calling other women the C-word because they hate them. 0.98

00:10:14.000 Yes, you definitely reclaim the C-word for feminism. 1.00

00:10:17.000 Well done, media.

00:10:18.000 Okay, and then it gets even better.

00:10:19.000 Here's the New York Times headline on this thing.

00:10:21.000 So the New York Times tweeted out, She's a hero!

00:10:23.000 Don't you see?

00:10:24.000 She spent minutes talking about immigration policy before she dropped that line.

00:10:38.000 I mean, you couldn't say about Roseanne Barr.

00:10:39.000 So Roseanne Barr created many hours of wonderful entertainment before dropping a crude term to describe Valerie Jarrett. 1.00

00:10:45.000 Of course, you would never hear that, right? 1.00

00:10:46.000 Because it's idiotic. 1.00

00:10:48.000 But New York Times has to defend Samantha Bee. 1.00

00:10:50.000 So this is what's hilarious.

00:10:51.000 Chris Hayes spends time trying to proclaim that people on the right support Roseanne Barr and Trump for the same reason, which is that they all think like Roseanne Barr about Valerie Jarrett.

00:10:59.000 No evidence of that.

00:11:00.000 But the entire left comes out essentially in support of Samantha Bee, with maybe one exception over at CNN, Brooke Baldwin.

00:11:07.000 We'll talk about it in a second.

00:11:08.000 And suddenly, we're supposed to believe that they are something different from Samantha Bee?

00:11:13.000 Samantha Bee represents the left far better than Roseanne Barr ever represented the right.

00:11:17.000 This is not in doubt.

00:11:19.000 This is evidentiarily supported.

00:11:22.000 Of course that is true.

00:11:23.000 And the basic proof of that, by the way, is that Samantha Bee will not be pulled off the air.

00:11:26.000 The reason that Roseanne Barr was pulled off the air is not just because she said something terrible.

00:11:29.000 It's because the network forecast that what was going to happen is that a bunch of people who watched Roseanne's show were going to turn out and boycott the show.

00:11:37.000 The same will not happen to Samantha Bee.

00:11:38.000 Her ratings will go up after this.

00:11:40.000 A bunch of leftists who love this kind of stuff will go watch her show specifically because they feel the same way about Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump as Samantha Bee.

00:11:47.000 Okay, so I have a few more comments on this about apology culture and whether people ought to be fired for this sort of thing.

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00:13:05.000 All right, so.

00:13:07.000 I don't want to make it sound like everyone in the media supported Samantha Bee.

00:13:10.000 It's just a large swath of the media that supported Samantha Bee.

00:13:12.000 Brooke Baldwin on CNN was the only person I could find who gave an honest assessment of the Samantha Bee nonsense.

00:13:17.000 So good for Brooke Baldwin at CNN. 0.98

00:13:19.000 Tribute to Brooke Baldwin.

00:13:19.000 Here's what she said.

00:13:21.000 Doing this, she is no better than the very behavior she criticizes.

00:13:24.000 In fact, she becomes part of the problem.

00:13:27.000 And now, like most entertainers who go political and get into hot water, she'll say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm just a comedian.

00:13:33.000 But the problem is it doesn't work here.

00:13:36.000 She's Samantha Bee.

00:13:38.000 She's in this position of leadership, not to mention a role model to millions of young girls and to women, and to use that word, from a woman to another woman. 1.00

00:13:49.000 Offensive is offensive.

00:13:51.000 Wrong is wrong.

00:13:53.000 Okay, good for Brooke Baldwin. 0.99

00:13:54.000 But she was one of the few people who was saying this.

00:13:56.000 There were a lot of people yesterday making excuses.

00:13:57.000 Well, Donald Trump uses that kind of language all the time.

00:14:00.000 Donald Trump says a lot of bad stuff.

00:14:02.000 That's true.

00:14:02.000 Donald Trump does say a lot of bad stuff.

00:14:04.000 And this is pure whataboutism if you're going to ignore the fact that Samantha Bee just said something vile.

00:14:08.000 But again, this is well within Samantha Bee's wheelhouse.

00:14:10.000 So, this raises a few questions.

00:14:12.000 It raises, I think, three serious questions.

00:14:15.000 I think, first, it raises the question as to whether Samantha Bee ought to be fired. 0.88

00:14:19.000 And then, it raises the question as to whether Samantha Bee ought to be boycotted.

00:14:22.000 And third, it raises the question as to apology culture.

00:14:25.000 So, first, should Samantha Bee be fired? 1.00

00:14:27.000 My opinion is probably not, because they got what they bargained for.

00:14:29.000 When they hired Samantha Bee, this is exactly what they were looking for. 0.86

00:14:33.000 They got what they were looking for.

00:14:34.000 You know, the same as I say, I'm not sure the same thing holds true just from a business perspective on Roseanne.

00:14:39.000 Now, from a morality perspective, from a decency perspective, should she be fired? 0.81

00:14:43.000 Sure, because she's gross and she never should have been hired. 1.00

00:14:45.000 But I'm not talking from a decency perspective. 0.99

00:14:47.000 I'm talking from a and I would rather have a culture that allows Samantha Bee to go forward and do her miserable, crappy show. 1.00

00:14:54.000 Then have a culture that doesn't.

00:14:56.000 And at the same time, I don't see the corporate rationale for firing her in quite the same way that I do for Roseanne, simply because I don't think that the corporate blowback is going to be quite as great.

00:15:06.000 Well, there I say, like, if you just want to tune out of her show, go for it.

00:15:09.000 I mean, I would.

00:15:10.000 But the problem is nobody who actually has ever watched Samantha Bee is watching her show if they're conservative.

00:15:16.000 Samantha Bee is a wild left

00:15:18.000 Nasty human being and so that's not a shock at all I don't think boycotts are liable to work and that raises the question of apology culture I'm gonna get to that in just one second.

00:15:26.000 So we as a society have decided That we are going to demand apologies from everyone at any time for anything and then we decide whether we like the apology or not and it seems that if you're on the left and you apologize we accept it and if you're on the right and you apologize we don't accept it so 0.99

00:15:40.000 When Laura Ingraham got in hot water because she tweeted something slightly mean about David Hogg, the Parkland survivor, she said he was kind of whiny, and then she got hit with boycotts by David Hogg and company because stupid. 0.92

00:15:49.000 Okay, when all that happened, and it wasn't even her getting boycotted, it was her advertisers getting boycotted. 0.90

00:15:54.000 By the way, I do think there's a difference between primary boycotts and secondary boycotts.

00:15:58.000 If you want to boycott my show and not listen to it,

00:16:00.000 That's on you.

00:16:01.000 You want to boycott my advertisers?

00:16:03.000 That seems to me that now you are going a step beyond.

00:16:05.000 I felt that about Ingram.

00:16:06.000 I feel that about Samantha Bee.

00:16:08.000 People should not be boycotting her advertisers.

00:16:10.000 The only reason to boycott other advertisers on the left is just to create a feeling of mutually assured destruction so that people stop doing it.

00:16:16.000 I don't like the idea that advertisers are going to be penalized for attempting to reach out to particular audiences.

00:16:21.000 I think that's silly.

00:16:22.000 But in any case, the apology culture exists in order to kind of shame people into saying things they don't believe.

00:16:30.000 Laura Ingraham apologized and the left said no, no, that apology isn't genuine.

00:16:33.000 Roseanne apologized and the left said this apology is not genuine.

00:16:36.000 Now... 0.88

00:16:38.000 I think that Roseanne's apology was probably genuine because I think Roseanne is legitimately a person who has serious mental issues, okay?

00:16:43.000 And I don't say that as somebody trying to label her from the outside.

00:16:46.000 Roseanne herself has said for 30 years she has serious mental issues. 1.00

00:16:48.000 She's a person with mental problems. 0.97

00:16:51.000 She has said that she is on some sort of drugs for her mental illness. 0.87

00:16:56.000 Here's what she tweeted out yesterday.

00:16:57.000 I begged Ben Sherwood at ABC to let me apologize and make amends.

00:17:01.000 I begged him not to cancel the show.

00:17:02.000 I told him I was willing to do anything and ask for help in making things right.

00:17:05.000 I had work doing publicity for them for weeks, for traveling through bronchitis.

00:17:08.000 I begged for people's jobs, because there were 150 people who lost their jobs.

00:17:13.000 Because Roseanne's show came to an end.

00:17:16.000 And she continued tweeting out, she said, he said, what were you thinking when you did this?

00:17:19.000 I said, I thought she was white. 1.00

00:17:20.000 She looks like my family.

00:17:21.000 He scoffed and said, what you have done is egregious and unforgivable.

00:17:23.000 I begged for my crew's job.

00:17:24.000 Will I ever recover from this pain?

00:17:26.000 OMG.

00:17:27.000 And then she continued along these lines.

00:17:29.000 I said, I think I'll be better tomorrow.

00:17:30.000 The saddest part of all is Jade and Ray on the show, whom I grew to love so much.

00:17:33.000 I'm so ashamed of myself that you'd ever think I do not love her because she's African-American.

00:17:37.000 It's the most God awful, painful thing.

00:17:38.000 I can't let myself cave in though.

00:17:40.000 And then she concluded by saying, So this is a person who clearly has problems.

00:17:58.000 And I think her apology is more genuine than Samantha Bee's.

00:18:00.000 Samantha Bee's is clearly not genuine.

00:18:01.000 She went in front of an audience last night and basically said her apology was not genuine.

00:18:05.000 And here are some pictures of Roseanne Barr on the phone yesterday that were taken by the tabloids.

00:18:09.000 This is what Roseanne Barr, I mean, she's sitting there in beat-up jeans and essentially a white shirt, smoking a cigarette, looking haggard, looking weary, looking deeply troubled, right?

00:18:19.000 I mean, with a plastic bag around her arm, sitting on a curb, making phone calls. 0.63

00:18:25.000 You gotta feel a little bit bad for Roseanne Barr.

00:18:27.000 I mean, this is a person who has problems.

00:18:29.000 But we treat it as though her apology is not genuine, but Samantha Bee's apology is genuine.

00:18:33.000 Why do we do that?

00:18:34.000 Because we have deemed that people on the left are allowed to apologize and get away with anything, whereas people who support Trump in the case of Roseanne Barr, who's not even right-wing, or people like Laura Ingraham, we won't accept their apologies, because if we accept their apologies, then that would assume that we can let them back into the realm of thinkers whom we respect and people who are willing to deal with.

00:18:53.000 I don't like the apology culture in general.

00:18:55.000 If you want to apologize, apologize, but the sort of pressure to apologize, and then we get to deem whether your apology is good or not, I find to be a giant waste of time. 0.99

00:19:02.000 I think it's really stupid. 0.94

00:19:03.000 I think some apologies are worthwhile. 0.95

00:19:04.000 I've apologized for things that I've done before, and I apologize when I feel like I ought to apologize.

00:19:09.000 Not because people think I ought to apologize.

00:19:11.000 But unfortunately, we have a culture that suggests that we can force people into apologies.

00:19:15.000 I think that that's a waste of time.

00:19:17.000 Also, I have to say, with regard to the Roseanne thing, 0.94

00:19:20.000 You know, we have a culture that lives off of crazy people. 0.98

00:19:23.000 We have a culture that legitimately lives off the back of people who are talented artists, but who very often are nuts. 0.94

00:19:30.000 And then we treat them as though they're not nuts for purposes of public relations.

00:19:34.000 And that's just not the case.

00:19:35.000 We exploit people all the time.

00:19:37.000 It's really kind of yucky.

00:19:39.000 Hollywood's been doing it for years, and now we do it even more, where, like, ABC knew what Roseanne was when they hired Roseanne.

00:19:44.000 She's a person with a history of this sort of stuff.

00:19:46.000 And they hired her anyway, and then they act all shocked when she does this sort of thing.

00:19:49.000 That I find a little bit bizarre, in any case.

00:19:52.000 Now, in a second, I want to discuss...

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00:21:12.000 Okay, so, if you're on the left, you never have to apologize for anything.

00:21:16.000 Samantha Bee can apologize and get away with it. 0.99

00:21:18.000 Not so much for Roseanne Barr.

00:21:20.000 Joy Reid never even has to apologize for being just the worst person ever.

00:21:23.000 So it turns out that Joy Reid, who claims that she had amnesia, it's so funny, everybody on the left was laughing at Roseanne Barr when she said that it was Ambien that made her tweet racist things.

00:21:33.000 And Ambien tweeted out, well, it wasn't us.

00:21:36.000 Well, Joy Reid said that she literally had amnesia, which is a bad plot point from a 1980s soap opera.

00:21:42.000 And she said that was the reason that she had written all of these pieces before, talking about why she had problems with gay people and why she had problems with Jews.

00:21:50.000 Well, literally every day there's a new thing coming out about the nasty stuff Joy Reid has said in the past.

00:21:55.000 Well, here's just the latest.

00:21:56.000 It turns out that Joy Reid put up a post in which John McCain's head had been photoshopped onto the body of the Virginia Tech shooter.

00:22:06.000 She put out a post of that.

00:22:07.000 OK, has she apologized for that?

00:22:08.000 No, no, she doesn't know how it happened.

00:22:10.000 It's just a mystery.

00:22:11.000 How could it have happened?

00:22:11.000 That's crazy.

00:22:12.000 How did that?

00:22:13.000 Wow.

00:22:13.000 Oh, I can't believe it.

00:22:15.000 And then it turns out that it's not restricted to that.

00:22:17.000 It turns out that she also had a post on her website in which she parroted claims from the Iranian government saying that that Jews should be shipped out of Israel and back to Europe.

00:22:27.000 Not joking.

00:22:28.000 This is being reported over at the Federalist.

00:22:30.000 So that's very exciting stuff from Joy Reid.

00:22:34.000 And she also attacked Wolf Blitzer in an old blog post for being too nice to Jews.

00:22:39.000 In a post dated July 16, 2006, Reid called Blitzer an AIPAC flak after he didn't ask Israeli officials questions that Reid liked on air.

00:22:48.000 And again, she had another post in which Reid said that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran, was really on to something when he suggested that the Zionist regime of Israel should just relocate to Europe.

00:22:58.000 She said, God is not a real estate broker.

00:23:00.000 He can't just give you land 1,000 years ago that you can come back and claim today.

00:23:03.000 Which is hilarious, considering that Joy Reid backed the Palestinians' claim to this land that they had, you know, supposedly 60 years ago. 0.98

00:23:10.000 But apparently, the UN is a real estate broker.

00:23:12.000 In any case, Joy Reid has said all this stuff.

00:23:15.000 Has there been any serious blowback?

00:23:16.000 No, of course not.

00:23:17.000 This is Joy Reid.

00:23:18.000 Meghan McCain responded to the rip on John McCain in this fashion. 1.00

00:23:21.000 Here's what she had to say.

00:23:22.000 She said, This is beyond disgusting and disgraceful.

00:23:25.000 And, of course, this is right.

00:23:26.000 But Joy Reid still maintains her job. 0.69

00:23:28.000 Apparently, amnesia is a good excuse if you're on the left.

00:23:30.000 And fake apologies, if you're Samantha Bee, are OK if you're on the left.

00:23:33.000 But if you're on the right, we must never forgive you ever. 0.94

00:23:36.000 We must maintain forever that you did something that is excrable and awful, and you can never be given forgiveness, even if you are legitimately mentally ill, as I think Roseanne Barr is. 0.57

00:23:44.000 Again, I'm not saying Roseanne Barr said something decent or that she should have kept her show.

00:23:47.000 I'm not saying either of those things.

00:23:49.000 I am saying that there is a massive double standard when it comes to media treatment of people on the left and the right.

00:23:53.000 And Joy Reid being able to maintain a show and give commentary on Roseanne Barr is insane.

00:23:57.000 Samantha Bee being able to keep her show and be seen as a figure of light and happiness on the left is similarly insane.

00:24:05.000 No wonder people on the right are so frustrated with the culture.

00:24:07.000 And this leads to the gap that I've talked about before.

00:24:10.000 The right doesn't have power over the cultural levers.

00:24:13.000 The right doesn't have the power to actually get more things on the air that are pro-conservative.

00:24:17.000 And so the right responds politically to the left's culture war.

00:24:21.000 The left fights a culture war.

00:24:22.000 They win the culture war. 0.68

00:24:23.000 The left fights back in a different way.

00:24:25.000 They fight back politically.

00:24:26.000 And that's why Donald Trump is president.

00:24:28.000 That was a direct response to the culture wars the left has been waging for a very long time. 1.00

00:24:32.000 Now, meanwhile, President Trump is pursuing some really stupid policies today. 0.99

00:24:35.000 There's good news for President Trump and there's bad news. 1.00

00:24:37.000 The good news for President Trump is that the economy continues to soar.

00:24:40.000 The economy is doing really, really well.

00:24:42.000 Right now, the unemployment rate was downgraded to 3.8%.

00:24:45.000 That's the lowest unemployment rate in the United States in half a century.

00:24:48.000 The black unemployment rate is 5.9%, which is the lowest that it has been in half a century.

00:24:53.000 These are great, great numbers for the president.

00:24:56.000 223,000 jobs gained in May.

00:24:58.000 All of this is really, really good.

00:24:59.000 And Trump was so excited about it that he broke protocol and actually announced before the announcement of the jobs numbers that the jobs numbers would be dropping in half an hour.

00:25:08.000 Keep an eye out.

00:25:09.000 Wink wink.

00:25:10.000 He already knew the jobs numbers from last night.

00:25:12.000 So a lot of people were saying, that's insider trading.

00:25:14.000 It's not insider trading when you blast it out to the entire world, obviously.

00:25:17.000 But in any case, and everybody assumed that the economy was doing well anyway.

00:25:20.000 In any case, all that is very good.

00:25:22.000 So President Trump then promptly decides that we need to start a trade war. 1.00

00:25:26.000 Hey, this is intensely stupid. 1.00

00:25:28.000 In every possible way, this is intensely, intensely stupid. 1.00

00:25:31.000 So... 1.00

00:25:33.000 So here are the details of Donald Trump's trade war.

00:25:37.000 Apparently, President Trump has now decided that it is important to use steel and aluminum tariffs on our own allies.

00:25:45.000 Before it was just against China, now he wants to use them against the EU, Mexico, and Canada as well.

00:25:50.000 He announced steel and aluminum tariffs, 25% for steel, 10% for aluminum, against the EU, Canada, and Mexico.

00:25:56.000 He'd exempted those countries until now.

00:25:58.000 All those countries are American allies, and they are all announcing retaliatory tariffs against the United States.

00:26:02.000 So Mexico has threatened tariffs on lambs, pork, fruit, cheese, and flat steel.

00:26:06.000 Canada has announced tariffs on $12.8 billion in U.S.

00:26:09.000 exports.

00:26:10.000 So Trump's excuse for the tariffs is national security.

00:26:12.000 For some reason, we have to tariff Canadian steel, because otherwise what?

00:26:16.000 Not clear.

00:26:17.000 But Trump now apparently wants to go even further.

00:26:19.000 He wants to target imported vehicles.

00:26:21.000 So far, the Trump administration has basically been able to escape Trump's belief that tariffs are an innate good, but not for long.

00:26:27.000 So Trump is now pushing these tariffs, which are bad for the economy and bad policy.

00:26:31.000 Tariffs, as I've said before, these are just a tax on the American people.

00:26:34.000 Whenever the government picks winners and losers, they are taxing a bunch of people to pay for it.

00:26:38.000 If the government decides to give a subsidy, they have to tax a lot of people to pay for that subsidy.

00:26:42.000 When you give a tariff, the tariff is for the benefit of a particular industry.

00:26:46.000 It means I have to pay more for that product.

00:26:48.000 It is me subsidizing that industry.

00:26:49.000 It is not Trump subsidizing the industry.

00:26:51.000 It is the American people subsidizing that industry.

00:26:54.000 So, for example, President Trump tweeted out today, he's very angry at Justin Trudeau because Justin Trudeau kicked back against him.

00:26:59.000 Here was Justin Trudeau, the Prime Minister of Canada, usually wrong on everything, right?

00:27:03.000 He's handsome Bernie Sanders.

00:27:04.000 He's usually wrong on everything. 0.99

00:27:06.000 But he's not wrong when he says that the tariffs that Trump are putting on Canada are kind of dumb. 0.97

00:27:10.000 Let me be clear. 0.97

00:27:11.000 These tariffs are totally unacceptable.

00:27:15.000 For 150 years, Canada has been the United States' most steadfast ally.

00:27:22.000 These tariffs will harm industry and workers on both sides of the Canada-US border, disrupting linked supply chains that have made North American steel and aluminum more competitive all around the world.

00:27:36.000 We have to believe that at some point,

00:27:39.000 Common sense will prevail.

00:27:43.000 But we see no sign of that in this action today by the U.S.

00:27:49.000 administration.

00:27:50.000 Okay, well, I've never said this before, but I agree with Justin Trudeau.

00:27:53.000 Okay, he's not wrong when he says that these tariffs are bad for the economy and they're bad for the United States economy.

00:27:57.000 I don't care that much about Canada's economy.

00:27:58.000 I'm an American, but I do care a lot about America's economy. 1.00

00:28:01.000 And the idea that you're going to make America's economy stronger by taxing American citizens is really stupid. 0.99

00:28:06.000 President Trump should not be pursuing this policy. 0.99

00:28:09.000 He should get off of this policy immediately, as fast as possible.

00:28:12.000 Unfortunately, there's another economic policy he's pursuing as well that is also not smart.

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00:30:57.000 Okay, so to finish up the bad Trumpian policy of the day, President Trump also has now suggested that they want to make plans to order grid operators, like power grid operators, to buy electricity from struggling coal and nuclear plants in an effort to extend their life, a move that would represent an unprecedented intervention into U.S.

00:31:14.000 energy markets.

00:31:15.000 According to a 41-page draft memo obtained by Bloomberg and circulated before an NSC meeting on the subject Friday, quote, federal action is necessary to stop the further premature retirements of fuel-secured generation capacity.

00:31:27.000 So they're saying that for strategic reasons, we have to actually protect our coal plants and that are obsolete or our nuclear plants that are obsolete. 0.97

00:31:36.000 This is really stupid. 0.99

00:31:38.000 The reason it's really stupid is, of course, it means that you are now going to have to pay more for power. 1.00

00:31:42.000 Whenever the government decides that you have to subsidize a particular industry, this means that you're going to have to pay more for power. 0.99

00:31:47.000 Now, the reason this is so dumb is because the economy is doing great. 0.90

00:31:50.000 OK, this is a headline from The New York Times today. 0.95

00:31:52.000 Quote, We ran out of words to describe how good the job numbers are.

00:31:56.000 That's basically what he's talking about.

00:32:12.000 He's talking about redistributing from one industry to another, from certain taxpayers to other taxpayers.

00:32:16.000 It is a waste of time.

00:32:17.000 It is a waste of money.

00:32:18.000 It is counterproductive.

00:32:20.000 The president should get off this immediately.

00:32:22.000 You're old enough to remember when it was anti-crony capitalism that ruled the Republican Party.

00:32:26.000 When the Tea Party came along and said, we don't like crony capitalism.

00:32:29.000 We don't like corporatism.

00:32:30.000 We don't like Solyndra payoffs.

00:32:31.000 We don't like picking winners and losers.

00:32:33.000 And now, apparently, if it's Trump, I guess it's OK.

00:32:35.000 But it ain't OK.

00:32:36.000 So President Trump should get off of this right now.

00:32:38.000 It is bad economic policy.

00:32:39.000 It is an anti-freedom policy.

00:32:40.000 The government does not have the capacity to tell you how to shop.

00:32:43.000 It does not have the capacity to tell you that you should spend more on particular goods and services simply because Donald Trump wants to win votes in particular areas of the American economy.

00:32:52.000 It's bad stuff.

00:32:53.000 It's bad stuff.

00:32:54.000 And it was bad when Obama did it.

00:32:55.000 It would have been bad if Hillary had done it. 1.00

00:32:57.000 It is bad when Trump does it as well.

00:32:58.000 It was bad when Bush did it, too.

00:32:59.000 I criticized Bush at the time when he had steel tariffs, for example.

00:33:02.000 Okay.

00:33:02.000 It's mailbag time, so let's mailbag it up.

00:33:07.000 Recently, I was talking to a friend about the current state of the Middle East, and he got fed up and essentially questioned the necessity of average Americans needing to be constantly updated and aware of foreign affairs and national controversies, arguing ignorance is bliss.

00:33:17.000 What is the baseline of knowledge of politics and current events an average person should be aware of, and what do you believe is the main reason the average citizen should stay informed?

00:33:24.000 P.S.

00:33:24.000 Do you have any plans to do a public speaking tour in the future?

00:33:26.000 We miss you back here in Chicago.

00:33:27.000 So, first of all, we are doing a couple of events in Dallas and Phoenix.

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00:33:44.000 So check that out.

00:33:46.000 But as far as what is the baseline of information that you need to be informed, I mean, it's up to you.

00:33:51.000 You don't have to be informed about news.

00:33:52.000 But if you want to know what's coming, if you're interested in being a good citizen, I think good citizenship, meaning involvement in the public sphere, requires a baseline level of knowledge.

00:34:00.000 I would say that reading the front page of the newspaper every day and the articles on the front page of the newspaper every day, or reading the most trafficked articles at Daily Wire, for example, will give you a broad overview.

00:34:08.000 Listening to my show, I think, will give you a broad enough overview of the news of the day that you can speak fluently about these issues.

00:34:16.000 I don't think you have to know who the president of Kazakhstan is.

00:34:18.000 I don't think you have to know about the local oil crisis in Myanmar.

00:34:22.000 I don't think you have to know all of these things, but I do think that there are certain broad narratives that have been important over time.

00:34:28.000 Knowing enough about the Israel-Arab issue is important because that crops up

00:34:32.000 We're good to go.

00:34:51.000 Politics are really just an extension of your values.

00:34:53.000 So know your own values, and that very often will dictate politics, because the facts may change, and the evidence may change, but your values are rarely going to change.

00:35:00.000 Your underlying values are rarely going to change.

00:35:02.000 Joshua says, Hey Ben, even though midterm polls are not nearly as devastating to Republicans as originally anticipated, how do you think Trump reacts if the House and or Senate flip while he is president?

00:35:10.000 Is there any chance he continues to walk the conservative line, or is it far more likely we start to see more liberal policy out of the White House?

00:35:16.000 Love the show.

00:35:16.000 Okay, so Josh, I think that, um,

00:35:18.000 Let's say that, you know, it's not gonna happen.

00:35:20.000 Let's say the Democrats flip the Senate, and let's say they flip the House.

00:35:23.000 Then, it all depends on what they do.

00:35:25.000 If they try to impeach President Trump, he will be the most right-wing president ever.

00:35:28.000 The best thing that has happened for conservatives is that leftists have been attacking Trump non-stop.

00:35:31.000 It's been great. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Because what it means is that President Trump looks at the left and he says, you guys are jerks. 1.00

00:35:35.000 I'm gonna go hang out with my friends over here on the right. 1.00

00:35:37.000 And then he does all the things the right-wing wants.

00:35:39.000 If Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi had been smart, in the first month, they would have gone to President Trump.

00:35:43.000 They would have said, listen, Mr. President, you are a world-changing president.

00:35:45.000 You have changed the world.

00:35:47.000 And you, together with us, we can change the world together.

00:35:50.000 Let's pass a bipartisan, nationalized health care bill. 0.66

00:35:53.000 There's at least a 50% shot Trump would have gone for it. 1.00

00:35:55.000 But instead, the Democrats are stupid. 1.00

00:35:57.000 And they said, Donald Trump is evil. 1.00

00:35:58.000 He's scum. 1.00

00:35:59.000 He's the worst person we've ever seen. 1.00

00:36:00.000 We can't work with him. 0.99

00:36:01.000 He's a right-wing fanatic.

00:36:02.000 And Trump was like,

00:36:03.000 Well, fine.

00:36:03.000 Go F yourselves.

00:36:04.000 Bye.

00:36:05.000 And then he just went over to the right and did exactly what the right wanted him to do, which is awesome.

00:36:08.000 So keep going at it, left.

00:36:10.000 Really appreciate it.

00:36:11.000 Good luck with that.

00:36:12.000 And I am sort of an introvert.

00:36:23.000 There are a couple of books that I've recommended in the past on body language.

00:36:25.000 I'm trying to remember what the names of the books were off the top of my head.

00:36:30.000 But you should study some basic body language.

00:36:32.000 You can do that also through YouTube videos.

00:36:35.000 There are just some good things to know about how you reflect body language back at people and what it is that people are looking for when they communicate.

00:36:43.000 I'm trying to find out, like, I'm currently searching to try and figure out exactly what those books were that I'd recommended.

00:36:50.000 But there are a bunch of them.

00:36:53.000 We're good to go.

00:37:14.000 And so there are a bunch of books that you can check out.

00:37:16.000 Body language books I would recommend are good for communication.

00:37:19.000 So check that out.

00:37:23.000 The way you can argue that is that the French Revolution was also built on Enlightenment principles.

00:37:28.000 So was Comte's bureaucratic nonsense.

00:37:31.000 So was Nazism. 0.91

00:37:32.000 So was Communism.

00:37:33.000 These were all built on certain Enlightenment principles, and to pretend otherwise is to be ignorant of exactly what drove a lot of the Enlightenment and so-called counter-Enlightenment.

00:37:41.000 Jean-Jacques Rousseau considered himself a part of the Enlightenment.

00:37:43.000 He was considered an Enlightenment thinker.

00:37:44.000 So it always is frustrating to me when people say, well, the Enlightenment was just John Locke.

00:37:48.000 Basically, this is my critique of Steven Pinker's book.

00:37:50.000 So Steven Pinker has a book called Enlightenment Now.

00:37:52.000 It's 400 pages about why the Enlightenment's awesome.

00:37:54.000 Great.

00:37:54.000 I love the Enlightenment.

00:37:55.000 I'm a fan.

00:37:56.000 I like individualism.

00:37:57.000 I like the idea that we have innate human rights.

00:37:59.000 All these things are good.

00:38:01.000 But you have deeper roots.

00:38:02.000 Things weren't just born in 1760, right?

00:38:05.000 History has a longer history.

00:38:07.000 Hugo Grotius was talking about human rights back in the 16th century.

00:38:11.000 He was a religious Christian and he was using religious Christianity as a way of explaining why human beings should have inherent rights.

00:38:18.000 Hey, all of this is well documented.

00:38:21.000 My entire new book is actually about exactly this, why it is that we can't just say Enlightenment, why we have to say Enlightenment rooted in Judeo-Christian principles.

00:38:27.000 You also have to ask the question, why is it that if the Enlightenment was really separable from Judeo-Christian principles, it didn't just happen anywhere?

00:38:34.000 Why didn't the Enlightenment just crop up in China, or India, or South America, or Africa?

00:38:38.000 Why did it crop up in a Judeo-Christian civilization that has a 2,000-year history of dealing with exactly these ideas?

00:38:43.000 So, I don't buy the argument that the Enlightenment alone is enough.

00:38:47.000 Reason unmoored from traditional values ends in gulags and death camps, and religion unmoored from reason ends in theocratic tyranny.

00:38:56.000 It ends in the Spanish Inquisition.

00:38:57.000 I think you need both of them.

00:38:58.000 And I think they need to be merged.

00:39:00.000 And I think that's what brings about the Enlightenment, is the merger of Judeo-Christian values and reason.

00:39:05.000 There's a reason that the Founders were largely religious, despite all the talk about it.

00:39:08.000 Even the ones who were not quote-unquote religious were deists who believed in the power of a divine being who created an understandable universe and a certain teleological ability to understand how the universe is directed.

00:39:19.000 So, I find the argument that the Enlightenment just sort of floats out there on its own and everything that's good is Enlightenment-based, like Pinker says, and everything that's not good we can just call counter-Enlightenment.

00:39:29.000 I don't think that's right.

00:39:30.000 I think it's a narrow read of history that's far too convenient.

00:39:32.000 Daniel says,

00:39:34.000 Well, I'm a free speech absolutist from a governmental perspective.

00:39:37.000 I'm not a free speech absolutist in the sense I think all opinions are created equal or equally valid.

00:39:51.000 This is an argument that I had with, for example, Milo Yiannopoulos in 2016.

00:39:54.000 Milo was basically saying, all opinions should be taken seriously.

00:39:57.000 All opinions.

00:39:58.000 We should violate every taboo.

00:40:00.000 I can say whatever garbage thing I want to say, and you should back me in that because I think that I should be able to say what I want to say. 0.97

00:40:05.000 And my view was, the government should not tell you what to say, but it doesn't mean your opinion ain't garbage. 0.98

00:40:09.000 Doesn't mean you didn't say a garbage thing. 0.97

00:40:10.000 So, should Peter Singer be restricted from speaking? 0.98

00:40:13.000 No.

00:40:13.000 Should Noam Chomsky be restricted from speaking?

00:40:15.000 No. 0.96

00:40:16.000 Are they both pieces of human debris?

00:40:17.000 Absolutely.

00:40:18.000 John says, hey Ben,

00:40:20.000 Do you sub vocalize when you read?

00:40:21.000 I know you say you read quickly, and I'm curious if you announce the words in your head or just gaze over them.

00:40:25.000 No, I don't sub vocalize when I read.

00:40:28.000 I just look at the words.

00:40:29.000 In fact, when I think about it too much and start to sub vocalize, it's deeply irritating to me.

00:40:34.000 And then I just start trying to read faster so that I can stop the voice in my head from going.

00:40:37.000 I don't like voices in my head.

00:40:39.000 So Zachary says, Dear Ben, as someone gearing up to start law school but working full time, how do you stay organized and prioritize all your activities while still finding free time and are able to get good sleep?

00:40:47.000 Please help.

00:40:48.000 Well, number one, you have to know your actual skill set, and you have to know what you're good at and what you're bad at, and then you have to chart out your time.

00:40:54.000 You legitimately have to chart out your time, including charting out breaks.

00:40:56.000 So that means you're going to work for a certain amount of time in the morning, and then you're going to take a break, and you're going to enforce that break.

00:41:02.000 And then you are going to come back, and you're going to work for a certain amount of time in the afternoon, and then you're going to enforce that break.

00:41:06.000 What people usually do is they sort of drift in and out of work, right?

00:41:09.000 They work, and then they check Twitter for a while, and then they work some more, and then they go out, and then they work.

00:41:14.000 That's not the way that people should be focusing.

00:41:16.000 Virtually every study I've ever seen says that the way to focus is to look directly at the work that you are doing.

00:41:21.000 To look at that work and to take that work seriously until you are done.

00:41:25.000 No one is really good at multitasking.

00:41:27.000 I'm pretty good at multitasking for somebody multitasking but

00:41:31.000 It's not nearly as good as when I'm concentrating on a project.

00:41:33.000 In fact, one of the great irritants to my wife is the fact that when I'm concentrating on something, she can be talking directly at me and I do not even notice that it is happening.

00:41:40.000 People in the office know this is a reality.

00:41:42.000 Legitimately, before every show, I'm probably working on an article and Senya or Mathis or Jess have to try and shout into my ear that the show's about to begin because I'm too busy doing whatever it is that I'm doing.

00:41:51.000 It's a good quality in terms of being able to work.

00:41:53.000 It's a bad quality in terms of being respectful to other people.

00:41:55.000 So, I've been working on it a little bit.

00:41:57.000 Alan says, I agree with your position on tariffs and trade but I have a question.

00:42:01.000 Don't the countries being targeted for tariffs impose tariffs against the USA already?

00:42:05.000 Why is it wrong for Trump to fight for a balanced playing field?

00:42:08.000 My preference would be for his actions to be successful in the elimination of all tariffs among our trading partners.

00:42:12.000 What am I missing?

00:42:13.000 Am I just too simplistic?

00:42:14.000 No, that's not irrelevant.

00:42:16.000 I mean, if the idea of trying to tariff another country to leverage them to lower their own tariffs is the idea, that's one thing.

00:42:22.000 If you're trying to use it as a tactic to get them to lower tariffs, that's one thing. 0.99

00:42:25.000 If you're using it as a tactic in order to damage the other side, just because you think that trade is a zero-sum game, or if you're trying to use tariffs as a way to enrich certain industries at the expense of others in your own country, then tariffs are stupid. 0.97

00:42:36.000 By using tariffs as a tactic, I mean, you use it in war, right? 0.97

00:42:39.000 You embargo other countries in war.

00:42:40.000 So, if you're trying to leverage them, tariffs can be used as a leverage point, which is why, for example, you see the EU raising tariffs on the United States when the United States raises tariffs on the EU.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, I'd purchase Nerf guns and water guns for my kids.

00:42:56.000 Like, I see no problem with that.

00:42:57.000 I grew up with Nerf guns and water guns.

00:42:58.000 It didn't make me any less respectful of guns.

00:42:59.000 You know, first of all, you know, five-year-old is too young to be

00:43:20.000 I think so.

00:43:42.000 That I actually have a problem with, mainly because I think that you buy that for your kid and your kid pulls that out in a public area, it's a serious problem.

00:43:50.000 So, you should get guns that, if you're gonna get a water gun, get a colorful water gun that doesn't look like an actual gun, obviously.

00:43:55.000 Good.

00:43:56.000 And I'm a first-generation American.

00:43:57.000 I, of course, have been as well, but my views might be beginning to change on the subject.

00:44:07.000 I agree with everything our spirit animal has said about Cuba and the UN, especially about Cubans not being free, our spirit animal being Nikki Haley.

00:44:13.000 I just feel that maybe it might be time to let free trade happen between the two countries and see what happens.

00:44:19.000 Well, the pro of dumping the embargo is presumably that the country will get richer and that eventually some of those benefits will accrue to the population.

00:44:30.000 The proof of this is China, where poverty has been sliced by a significant margin thanks to opening the Chinese economy. 0.91

00:44:35.000 The con is that the Chinese government is still run by a bunch of communist thugs.

00:44:40.000 So the con is that you are re-enshrining that dictatorship for a longer period of time.

00:44:44.000 The pro is that you might be helping some of the people who are living there.

00:44:46.000 The real question is, do we have any real plan to topple the regime in Cuba?

00:44:50.000 If we don't have a real plan to topple the regime in Cuba, it seems to me that there is no reason to keep the embargo going other than to punish the regime.

00:44:57.000 And punishing the regime for 50 years has not actually done anything to actually topple the regime.

00:45:01.000 So either topple the regime or don't topple the regime or come up with a better plan to topple the regime.

00:45:05.000 Sanctions rarely topple regimes.

00:45:07.000 We need something stronger than that.

00:45:09.000 And I would be fully in favor of us providing covert aid to any rebel group in Cuba who wants to kill the Castros and take over the country. 1.00

00:45:16.000 So long as they would like to replace it with something better.

00:45:20.000 So I haven't seen Greatest Showman.

00:45:29.000 Frankly, I was not interested.

00:45:30.000 The preview was so bad that I couldn't get myself to do it, although I've heard that it's enjoyable.

00:45:34.000 Hairspray, I am not a fan.

00:45:36.000 I find it kind of obnoxious.

00:45:38.000 La La Land, I was impressed.

00:45:40.000 I really like the director of La La Land, first of all.

00:45:41.000 He also did Whiplash, which is a better movie.

00:45:44.000 La La Land, I thought the songs were unmemorable.

00:45:46.000 It makes me upset when they cast musicals where people cannot sing or dance.

00:45:50.000 It seems to me that there are lots of people who can sing and dance and you could cast those people instead of casting Ryan Gosling who cannot sing or dance or Emma Stone who cannot sing or dance.

00:45:57.000 Emma Stone's a very good actress but her voice is extraordinarily weak and she cannot move on screen. 0.96

00:46:03.000 I like that people are trying.

00:46:04.000 I mean, I appreciate the effort, although I didn't particularly like the ending of La La Land.

00:46:08.000 Les Mis and Phantom of the Opera, I didn't like on stage very much, but I actually think they're both relatively effective movies.

00:46:14.000 So Les Mis, I think, is actually more effective as a movie than it is on stage.

00:46:18.000 On stage, it's just really long, and the 30 years dominate, and they're obnoxious and irritating.

00:46:24.000 Also, the scoring for the movie's a lot better.

00:46:25.000 One of the big problems with the score in the original Les Mis is that it's all synthesized. 0.97

00:46:29.000 So having a synthesized score to represent 19th century France is really stupid. 0.94

00:46:35.000 I have a lot of problems with Les Mis as a musical. 0.68

00:46:38.000 I like the book, but I think that the musical itself, there are like two memorable songs in Les Mis, and they're not the ones everybody thinks.

00:46:45.000 So Stars is a memorable song, and One Day More at the end of the first act is a memorable number, and all the other numbers I find kind of boring.

00:46:53.000 But that's just my critique.

00:46:56.000 And if you want to see video of me singing stars, you can actually find that on YouTube because that was something I did one day for no reason.

00:47:00.000 Well, thank you.

00:47:01.000 I appreciate that.

00:47:02.000 We need to get you a cooler life because, you know, I'm not that cool.

00:47:15.000 Yeah, I think a constitutional amendment would probably be easier than a court overturning the decision.

00:47:25.000 Just because... Right now, let's say that Justice Kennedy is replaced.

00:47:28.000 I think then you would have four votes to overturn.

00:47:30.000 I really, really doubt that you're gonna get Justice Roberts to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:47:33.000 He just doesn't seem like he has the intestinal fortitude for that sort of thing.

00:47:37.000 But that said, it's possible.

00:47:40.000 I mean, it's possible, I suppose.

00:47:42.000 So right now, who would vote to overturn?

00:47:44.000 Right now, you'd have Alito who would vote to overturn.

00:47:46.000 You would have Thomas who would vote to overturn.

00:47:49.000 You would have presumably Gorsuch who would vote to overturn.

00:47:53.000 And you would have whoever replaces Kennedy who would vote to overturn if President Trump does it right.

00:47:57.000 But again, Roberts would still be the swing vote.

00:47:59.000 So that would be a serious problem on the Supreme Court.

00:48:01.000 I just want to make sure I'm getting the math correct.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, I believe that's right.

00:48:08.000 There's still not enough votes.

00:48:09.000 There's not enough conservatives on the court to actually get that done, unfortunately.

00:48:15.000 I wish, I wish.

00:48:16.000 But I think the best option is probably going to be a constitutional amendment to at least retract Roe v. Wade.

00:48:21.000 Even if you don't believe that there should be a constitutional amendment to ban abortion and protect life, unborn life, under the Constitution, then at the very least you can retract Roe v. Wade and toss it back to the states, which should at least be a step in the right direction.

00:48:32.000 So, let's do a couple of things I like, and then a couple of things I hate, and then let's get out of here.

00:48:36.000 So, things I like.

00:48:38.000 Today, my daughter has been very into this.

00:48:40.000 When I was a kid, there was this series of CDs that came out called Classical Kids.

00:48:44.000 They're really fun.

00:48:46.000 They basically educate your kids about the lives and music of the great composers of history.

00:48:51.000 The one that my daughter is very into right now is there's one called Vivaldi's Ring of Mystery, and they weave this little story about

00:48:57.000 Venice and Vivaldi, who actually ran an orphanage for girls, and how he was a priest.

00:49:03.000 It tells his whole life story, but in the context of this mystery about a broken violin, it's really cute.

00:49:08.000 My daughter loves it, and it's replete with the music of Vivaldi, and it tells his life story in the middle.

00:49:12.000 There's another one that was very famous called Beethoven Lives Upstairs.

00:49:14.000 It was really, really good.

00:49:15.000 You can check that one out also.

00:49:16.000 There's a book of it.

00:49:17.000 These CDs are a little bit hard to find.

00:49:19.000 I wish they would re-release them.

00:49:21.000 They're really excellent for kids, and if you want to educate your kids about great composers in their lives, there's one on Vivaldi.

00:49:26.000 I believe there's one on Bach.

00:49:27.000 I know that there's one on Mozart that's great.

00:49:29.000 The one on Mozart is they did a children's version of the Magic Flute.

00:49:32.000 It's really terrific.

00:49:33.000 So check it out.

00:49:34.000 Classical kids.

00:49:35.000 It's really cute, and I love that my daughter loves it.

00:49:38.000 It's really charming.

00:49:39.000 Okay, time for a couple of quick things that I hate.

00:49:45.000 Okay, so John Boehner, who apparently is just going around becoming like a lounge act, he just goes around drinking and smoking and then growling at people while leaning on a piano.

00:49:53.000 He was, you can see him drinking literally in this video, right?

00:49:57.000 He's literally sitting there drinking in the video while he does this interview because that's John Boehner, man.

00:50:01.000 And John Boehner says, there is no Republican Party under President Trump.

00:50:04.000 But I want to talk to you about what's happened with the Republican Party.

00:50:09.000 There is no Republican Party.

00:50:11.000 There's a Trump Party.

00:50:13.000 The Republican Party is kind of taking a nap somewhere. 0.97

00:50:16.000 Okay, that's utter nonsense.

00:50:17.000 Obviously, that is not true.

00:50:19.000 President Trump does not get everything that he wants.

00:50:20.000 President Trump has largely been a good advocate for Republican policies, a better advocate than John Boehner was, I think, in many ways.

00:50:27.000 Now, I don't think Boehner was as bad a Speaker of the House as some people think he was.

00:50:30.000 That said, he was certainly not a hard fighter for Republican principles in any serious way.

00:50:34.000 So, this idea that the Republican Party was hijacked by Trump completely, it was one of my worries.

00:50:40.000 I don't think that word is fully materialized.

00:50:41.000 Okay, one other correction I want to make.

00:50:43.000 So I've been getting tons of mail about Tommy Robinson.

00:50:45.000 So Tommy Robinson, I said earlier this week on one of the shows, I said that he was alt-right, or that he was far-right, or whatever it was.

00:50:55.000 And I'll be honest with you, I had read some accounts of him.

00:50:57.000 He had said a couple of things that looked alt-right-ish.

00:50:59.000 He had said after the 7-7 bombings in

00:51:02.000 I don't know.

00:51:19.000 And so I want to apologize and replace it with Douglas Murray's take.

00:51:21.000 So here's what Douglas Murray writes over at National Review.

00:51:24.000 Tommy Robinson is a British political activist and citizen journalist who came to prominence in Britain almost a decade ago when he founded the English Defence League.

00:51:31.000 The EDL was a street protest movement in Britain whose aims could probably best be summarized as anti-Islamization.

00:51:36.000 It emerged in the town of Luton after a group of local Islamists barracked the homecoming parade of a local regiment returning from service in Afghanistan.

00:51:43.000 From their earliest protests, the EDL's members sought to highlight issues including Sharia law, Islam's attitudes toward minorities, and the phenomenon that would become euphemistically known as grooming gangs.

00:51:51.000 In reality, these protests often descended into hooliganism and low-level violence, naturally helped along by self-described anti-fascists.

00:51:58.000 The authorities did everything they could to stop the EDL, and the media did everything possible to demonize them.

00:52:02.000 In a foretaste of things to come, very few people made any effort to understand them, and nobody paid any price

00:52:07.000 For claiming that the EDL was simply a fascist organization and that anybody who even tried to understand them must be a fascist, too.

00:52:12.000 I interviewed Tommy Robinson five years ago after he'd left the EDL, having by his own admission failed to keep extremists, including actual neo-Nazis, away from the movement.

00:52:20.000 As he said then, one of the problems of everyone insisting that a particular movement is campaigning for the Fourth Reich is that very few people who think that sounds like a great ideal will show up.

00:52:27.000 Whatever his other faults, there is no evidence Robinson thinks that way.

00:52:30.000 Indeed, he was once charged with assault for headbutting a Nazi sympathizer who wouldn't leave an EDL protest.

00:52:35.000 Not many people bothered with those details.

00:52:37.000 The assault got reported, but not the cause.

00:52:38.000 So the fact that Robinson had headbutted a Nazi became yet more evidence that he himself must be some kind of Nazi.

00:52:45.000 And then he tells—Douglas Murray tells a bunch of stories about the sort of stuff that Tommy Robinson has done.

00:52:50.000 In March, Robinson was suspended from Twitter, where he had almost half a million followers.

00:52:54.000 And then we talked about

00:53:13.000 Earlier in the week, the fact that Robinson was arrested for even covering a trial about grooming gangs. 0.91

00:53:17.000 Grooming gangs are these apparently Muslim groups of men in Britain, in several major cities, who have been essentially creating rape gangs of children and grooming them for rape. 0.99

00:53:27.000 That's what the cases actually are about. 0.80

00:53:30.000 So here's what Douglas Murray writes about this.

00:53:34.000 He says, Robinson would not now be in jail if he had not once again accosted defendants in an ongoing trial outside the courthouse.

00:53:39.000 He had been told by a judge last May not to do this, and yet he did it again.

00:53:42.000 It isn't the worst thing in the world.

00:53:43.000 It isn't child rape, for instance, but it is an offense to which Robinson understandably pled guilty.

00:53:47.000 More important, the trial that was coming to a close last Friday is just one part of a trial involving multiple other defendants.

00:53:52.000 It is certainly possible that Robinson's breaking of reporting restrictions at the Leeds trial could have prejudiced those trials to have caused the collapse of such trial

00:53:58.000 And then he talks about Tommy Robinson fighting the Islamic extremists in Great Britain.

00:54:01.000 He concludes by saying,

00:54:12.000 Tommy Robinson will be in prison for another year.

00:54:14.000 All the people happy with the status quo will breathe a sigh of relief.

00:54:16.000 Thank goodness that troublemaker has gone away.

00:54:18.000 But the real problem has not gone away.

00:54:20.000 There's no chance of the real problem going away because they have no plan for making it go away.

00:54:24.000 So I just wanted to give a little bit more context to who Tommy Robinson is from somebody who I trust, Douglas Murray, about this over at National Review, talking about what his past is with the EDL and some of the things that he has said and apologized for.

00:54:35.000 And I hope that that corrects some of the misconceptions that I put out earlier this week.

00:54:39.000 Okay.

00:54:40.000 So, we'll be back here next week with all the latest updates and all the latest news.

00:54:43.000 Have yourself a great weekend.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - June 01, 2018

To Bee Or Not To Bee | Ep. 551

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