The Ben Shapiro Show - December 04, 2025


Trump Fights The Climate Change Cult


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Transgender clinicians in private are telling us what they say in private, and what they do in public, about what they are doing in public. And it's time to take a look at what they actually are saying in private.

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00:00:00.000 Bad science when it comes to transgender medicine, bad science when it comes to climate change.
00:00:05.000 The Trump administration has been fighting all of it.
00:00:07.000 We'll get to all that in a moment.
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00:00:20.000 One of the big problems we have in the West, and this has been true for many years at this point, is the perversion of science.
00:00:26.000 There is a fascinating piece out of the free press today by a columnist named Lior Sapir talking about gender doctors and what they say in private.
00:00:36.000 Now, remember, for fully a decade in the United States, there was a grand delusion that was promoted by nearly every member of the legacy media.
00:00:44.000 It was promoted by every legacy media outlet.
00:00:46.000 It was promoted by universities.
00:00:47.000 It was promoted by Hollywood.
00:00:49.000 And the basic idea was simple: a boy could be a girl, a girl could be a boy, there could be a female brain inside a male body, and vice versa.
00:00:57.000 Sex was not, in fact, defined by biology.
00:01:00.000 It was defined by the soul hovering inside you that might be differently sexed than your actual physical body.
00:01:06.000 And this was treated as a fundamental, eternal truth by pretty much everybody in a position of authority.
00:01:13.000 Why?
00:01:13.000 Well, because the scientific community decided that they were going to back the insanity of the gender theorists.
00:01:18.000 Well, now it turns out that virtually all of that was just based on absolute nonsense.
00:01:23.000 According to the free press, at their conferences, closed to outsiders in the press, the gender clinicians allowed themselves to speak freely.
00:01:29.000 They spoke about the boys who they say wanted to be girls and the girls who felt they were meant to be boys and the medical and surgical interventions that would make them appear as the opposite sex.
00:01:38.000 The clinicians also discussed new procedures for a new type of patient, some of them adolescents, who wanted to make to look as if they had no sex at all.
00:01:45.000 In one of the videos obtained exclusively by the free press from the 2021 conference of the U.S. Professional Association for Transgender Health, Amy Penkin, a social worker with the Transgender Health Program at the Oregon Health and Science University, spoke about one such case.
00:02:00.000 Penkin told the audience about Skye, whom she described as an 18-year-old recent high school graduate who's living on his own for the first time.
00:02:07.000 Penkin explained that Skye expressed a desire to look like a Barbie down there. 0.89
00:02:13.000 Skye, said Penkin, reported being asexual, never having had sex, having no desire to have sex in the future.
00:02:18.000 Indeed, Skye did not want to feel any pleasurable sensation and hoped removal of all erogenous tissue would be possible, according to Penkin.
00:02:25.000 Now, historically, that person would have been given psychological counseling because what you're talking about is mutilation.
00:02:31.000 Instead, clinicians want to help young people like Sky achieve their gender goals. 0.86
00:02:36.000 Penkin explained to fellow professionals that requests for procedures that are non-binary were growing in number, but the field was still wetted.
00:02:44.000 Unfortunately, said Penkin, to binary assumptions.
00:02:47.000 This means procedures such as nullification, which is to, you know, get rid of literally all external genitals, or penile-preserving vagina plasty, which is surgically crafting a pseudo-vagina underneath the penis, are not as accessible as they should be.
00:03:01.000 And in fact, Penkin added that existing research and standards of care can't help patients.
00:03:07.000 You have to go beyond what the research actually shows.
00:03:09.000 You have to go beyond the science.
00:03:11.000 Here is Amy Penkin, a social worker, speaking at a gathering of a major professional association for transgender health U.S. PATH.
00:03:21.000 This is Skye, who's 18 years old.
00:03:24.000 They recently graduated from high school and reports living on their own for the first time.
00:03:29.000 At Consult, they express a desire to look like, quote, a Barbie down there.
00:03:34.000 They report being asexual, never having had sex, and having no desire to have sex in the future.
00:03:40.000 Skye does not want to feel any pleasurable sensation and hopes removal of all erogenous tissue will be possible.
00:03:47.000 And they come to our clinic with a referral and two letters of support for vulvoplasty surgery.
00:03:53.000 We came to deliver this presentation because we recognize that the tools in our system, such as what is the evidence-based practice and the research tell us, what do the standards of care tell us, that is not enough to meet the needs of our patients.
00:04:07.000 And we need to take it to the next level to really think about how we evolve and match the needs of our patients as their needs are being expressed to us.
00:04:19.000 Now, that is an amazing statement.
00:04:21.000 The last part of that, that patients express their needs to doctors as though they're simply going into the store and buying a cup of coffee and the doctors are then designated with fulfilling the needs of their patients is precisely the opposite of how medical science is supposed to work.
00:04:35.000 It is the job of the doctor to diagnose.
00:04:37.000 It is the job of the doctor to tell you about your own biology and what is true and what is false, but not so in the world of trans so-called medicine. 0.99
00:04:45.000 A psychologist, Amir Marsiglio, agreed and described doing just that.
00:04:49.000 Here's Mare Marsiglio, a psychologist, talking about the idea that even people with multiple personality disorder or psychosis should not be barred from mutilating surgery.
00:05:00.000 And for example, if the surgeon isn't able to meet their requests, that may mimic some other ways in which the system has impacted them, dismissed their requests or dismissed their identity or erased them in some way.
00:05:13.000 And so helping a patient think through why the surgeon is saying we may have to alter a treatment plan is a big part of my role.
00:05:22.000 I also work to advocate for folks who have comorbid mental health symptoms that in other contexts may just be excluded from receiving care at all.
00:05:31.000 So for example, patients who have multiple personalities or psychosis or other things that may make the surgical team uncomfortable.
00:05:41.000 I also, given that I am on the surgical team and part of the hospital context, I can help the patient very specifically navigate care, especially within a surgery that has not been performed before or is of higher risk.
00:05:55.000 I can round, be part of the care team in that way.
00:06:01.000 I mean, again, this is insane.
00:06:04.000 I mean, this is truly insane.
00:06:05.000 What you are talking about is people who have clinical problems who are being told that we should perform surgeries on them because they think a thing.
00:06:13.000 People who are fully delusional.
00:06:15.000 But when it comes to their desire to mutilate themselves, suddenly those delusions don't matter.
00:06:19.000 Alrighty, in the meantime, speaking of bad science, climate change, a big study is now being removed.
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00:08:56.000 One of the most important things about this free press piece, the revelations in the free press piece, are the revelations with regard to groupthink.
00:09:04.000 As the free press says, one of the biggest revelations from the recordings is how clinicians acknowledge performing unproven, seemingly experimental treatments.
00:09:12.000 Only it appears there's often no protocol being followed, no formal research being conducted, no ethics board approval being sought.
00:09:18.000 These practitioners say their goal is to fulfill the embodiment desires of their patient, whatever those may be.
00:09:24.000 And doing this may require deviating from guidelines.
00:09:27.000 And so people get together at conferences and then they change the guidelines, the standards of care, in order to match what the quote-unquote patients would like from these particular quote-unquote medical practitioners.
00:09:40.000 So, for example, the standards of care for WPATH, which was for a long time considered the sort of gold standard in terms of scientific groups on trans medicine, it was widely cited all the time by the legacy media.
00:09:52.000 Their standards of care explain: to be non-binary, one needs only have an internal sense of gender that is at odds with social expectations and associated with one's assigned sex.
00:10:01.000 This includes indigenous and non-Western genders, as well as people whose genders are comprised of more than one gender identity simultaneously or at different times, who do not have a gender identity or who have a neutral gender identity, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:10:15.000 One case involved a teen who said he realized Frank N. Furter from the Rocky Horror Picture Show was his gender identity.
00:10:23.000 Now, in order to get all this done, what was required was groupthink.
00:10:26.000 Here, for example, is a recording of British endocrinology consultant Leighton Seal explaining that the best way to avoid criticism was to make the decisions as a group.
00:10:36.000 And therefore, when you're doing operations, that we have to accept at some point somebody will regret the surgery they've done.
00:10:43.000 So, to allow people to move the field forward, you need to have a support network around you as a clinician so that if that decision is made and that decision is regretted, how did you make that decision process?
00:10:54.000 So, as an individual practitioner, if you make that in isolation, you could be vulnerable to being criticized for doing something that is outside of the norm.
00:11:02.000 Whereas, if you have a network around you where a clinical team in concert with the individual has made a decision, you then have a framework to say, well, the ethics of this were explored.
00:11:14.000 Because you have a situation where you can explore the ethics of that.
00:11:19.000 Because this is, we are doing procedures here where we don't have outcome data.
00:11:24.000 So, for a vaginoplasty, for a phanoplasty, there is long-term outcome data of what the pros, the cons, the psychological impact, the sexual functioning impact is.
00:11:34.000 For these newer procedures, we don't have that outcome.
00:11:37.000 So unless you want to go to individual ethics boards in each hospital to get ethics permission to do those surgeries because they're on the edge of the field of medicine, you need to have a mechanism around you to support you.
00:11:50.000 Otherwise, you could be vulnerable.
00:11:53.000 And so, yeah, again, this is all insanity.
00:11:56.000 And this was the way that people did quote-unquote medicine for a decade in this country at the cost of thousands of possible happy lives.
00:12:05.000 Because the way that you make somebody, actually fulfilled and happy is not by mutilating them at their own behest, particularly not if they are minors.
00:12:13.000 Now, why am I bringing this up?
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00:12:15.000 Conservatives won on this issue because reality was always going to win on this issue, even when it was unpopular.
00:12:20.000 We here at the Daily Wire refused all the time, like from the outside of the company to use so-called gendered pronouns.
00:12:27.000 We refused to use people's chosen pronouns.
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00:12:41.000 Why does this matter?
00:12:42.000 Because it's not just that there are consequences in the field of trans for bad science.
00:12:46.000 There are consequences for everyone.
00:12:49.000 And this is also true in the world of the economy.
00:12:51.000 So there is a major study that has now emerged to be false.
00:12:55.000 There's a climate change study that was published in Nature.
00:12:58.000 This is the Wall Street Journal reporting today.
00:13:01.000 And apparently, that widely cited study on economic damage from climate change.
00:13:06.000 And apparently that widely cited study on economic damage from climate change was retracted following criticism from peers.
00:13:13.000 That research, published last year in the prestigious journal Nature, projected the world's economic output would decline 62% by 2100 under a high carbon emission scenario, which is crazy.
00:13:26.000 That is saying that, again, just by the statistics, the entire world economic output thanks to global warming would drop by 62%, by well over half.
00:13:40.000 The estimate was much more severe than other forecasts.
00:13:42.000 That prompted scrutiny of the underlying data.
00:13:45.000 The study author, Leonie Wens from Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany, said, we broadly agree with the issues raised.
00:13:51.000 You made corrections to the underlying economic data and to our methodology to address them.
00:13:55.000 The changes are too substantial for a correction of the original article in Nature.
00:13:58.000 In other words, they pulled the whole thing.
00:14:00.000 The study had examined historical data from some 1,600 regions worldwide over the past four decades to project how changes in temperature and precipitation would affect economic growth, how it would affect agricultural yields, labor productivity, infrastructure.
00:14:15.000 But after the study was published, other researchers found the economic data from one country, Uzbekistan, during a short time from 1995 to 1999 had skewed the results.
00:14:25.000 Without Uzbekistan, the 2100 damage forecast fell to 23%, not 62%. 0.95
00:14:32.000 And so they had to pull the study.
00:14:34.000 Now, here's what's amazing.
00:14:35.000 The study had already been cited by the time it was polled by the U.S. Congressional Budget Office, the World Bank, and the Network for Greening the Financial System.
00:14:43.000 That is a coalition of central banks that the Federal Reserve was a part of under Joe Biden.
00:14:48.000 The coalition, which has members in about 90 countries, incorporated the damage forecast in risk tools banks could use to stress test portfolios to meet European regulations.
00:14:57.000 So this horrible study was used in order to determine whether, in fact, banks could invest in certain things.
00:15:05.000 Central bank models of the economic impacts of climate change have far-reaching implications.
00:15:10.000 If the models show impacts are going to be much worse than previously thought, regulators could make banks set aside more capital to buffer against potential losses associated with those assets, meaning that banks would have to hold more cash back and not lend it out to other businesses because of the potential risk from climate change.
00:15:26.000 So this study was just wrong.
00:15:28.000 I mean, like overtly wrong, and they had to pull it.
00:15:31.000 But it is on the basis of bad science that many, many decisions are made.
00:15:36.000 And this is why it is a very good thing that the president of the United States has decided not to bow to the climate change extremists.
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00:15:59.000 The president is reversing that because he's saying, listen, global warming is not going to be sufficiently alleviated by the sorts of CAFE standards that you're putting in place to actually pay for the economic damage done to Americans by the regulations.
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00:21:29.000 People keep saying affordability over and over and over.
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00:21:41.000 Those are the only two alternatives.
00:21:43.000 One of the ways you increase supply of cheaper goods is to remove the regulatory burdens in making those goods good for President Trump for not following the insanity of, for example, the Europeans, who basically destroyed their own economy on the basis of their insane green agenda. 0.93
00:22:01.000 I mean, it truly is unbelievable what the Europeans actually did. 0.98
00:22:05.000 The Europeans made the decision that they were going to cripple their own economy on the basis of things like climate change.
00:22:14.000 I mean, just a few days ago, there was a large-scale report in the Wall Street Journal about how Europe did this.
00:22:20.000 And we were not going to follow that path under President Trump.
00:22:23.000 Just a couple of days ago, the Wall Street Journal wrote, European politicians pitched the continent's green transition to voters as a win-win.
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00:22:36.000 Nearly two decades on, the promise has largely proved costly for consumers and damaging for the economy.
00:22:41.000 Europe succeeded in slashing its carbon emissions more than any other region by 30% from 2005 levels compared with a 17% drop in the United States.
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00:23:21.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, this is crippling industry.
00:23:23.000 It is hobbling Europe's ability to attract key economic drivers like AI, which requires cheap and abundant electricity.
00:23:29.000 The shift is also adding to a cost of living shock for consumers that is fueling support for anti-establishment parties, which correctly portray the green transition as an elite project that harms workers, consumers, and regions.
00:23:41.000 This is correct.
00:23:42.000 So President Trump is doing the reverse.
00:23:44.000 This is an unalloyed good from President Trump right here.
00:23:50.000 Now, meanwhile, what the Trump administration should do, aside from these sort of broad regulatory cuts, what they should do is they should stop engaging in a sort of pick and choose economy.
00:24:00.000 All of the messing around with the economy, everything from the tariffs to the sort of subsidization and regulation schemes that have been fostered by parts of the Trump administration, that stuff doesn't help.
00:24:10.000 There is a report out yesterday from ADP that says that hiring by American businesses actually dropped last month.
00:24:17.000 Private employers should 32,000 jobs in November, according to ADP.
00:24:20.000 That is a swing from 47,000 private sector jobs ADP estimated were added in October.
00:24:27.000 ADP's numbers, again, they're kind of the only numbers we have right now because the Bureau of Labor Statistics has not released any of its stats for September or October and won't release its look at November until December 16th.
00:24:39.000 It's two and a half weeks behind schedule.
00:24:43.000 Weaker hiring is a concern for the Federal Reserve, obviously.
00:24:46.000 The Trump administration would like to see the Federal Reserve lower interest rates again to inject more liquidity into the economy.
00:24:53.000 That, of course, may spur more investment, but it will also increase prices because it is just more money flowing into the economy.
00:25:01.000 Now, what will not work is this attempt to play around with the economy in terms of tariffs and then cut people a check on the back end.
00:25:09.000 That's just helicopter money.
00:25:10.000 Mark Meadows, President Trump's former chief of staff, was making the case that Trump should do that come next year.
00:25:16.000 To me, this is no different than a Biden stimulus plan.
00:25:19.000 I think the other thing that should be coming out that actually will make things, if you want to use the word affordable, I think the Trump checks, I'm in favor of that.
00:25:28.000 As a conservative member, some of my colleagues and friends are not for that.
00:25:33.000 But I think these $2,000 Trump tariff checks need to go out next year.
00:25:41.000 That will be something that actually others can spend the money and maybe reduce some of the pain of the higher inflationary prices they're seeing at the grocery store.
00:25:52.000 So, again, this to me is a bad policy.
00:25:56.000 Broad economic deregulation, more innovation, higher productivity.
00:26:01.000 These are the things that are going to generate affordability.
00:26:03.000 They're going to generate economic growth.
00:26:05.000 Good for the president with regard to the CAFE standards.
00:26:08.000 That is a big move.
00:26:09.000 Meanwhile, controversy, for some reason, continues to roil around the Pete Hegseth issue.
00:26:09.000 Okay.
00:26:18.000 When I say the issue, there are really two.
00:26:19.000 So issue number one continues to be the allegation that he authorized the secondary strike on a Venezuelan drug boat in international waters after the first strike basically incapacitated the boat.
00:26:32.000 The evidence on this, extremely, extremely scanty.
00:26:35.000 By this, I mean there is one Washington Post story that makes this claim, and there's a New York Times story that basically rejects the claim.
00:26:40.000 That's not stopping Democrats and liberals in the media, who of course are their adjunct, from continuing to go after Hegseth on this here.
00:26:47.000 Sonny Hostin, great legal luminary making the case.
00:26:52.000 I just want to make it very clear.
00:26:53.000 Wow.
00:26:54.000 If this second strike, I feel like I'm in a few good men.
00:26:57.000 Who ordered the cord reds?
00:26:58.000 Do you order the code red?
00:27:00.000 I think that Pete Hegseth clearly ordered the code red here.
00:27:04.000 And I also think that that would be a war crime. 0.86
00:27:06.000 And it's very clear.
00:27:07.000 You speak to anybody from JAG.
00:27:08.000 You speak to Senator California Representative Ted Liu, who's a former JAG officer.
00:27:14.000 He has said this is a war crime.
00:27:16.000 And the sad thing about it is if you do follow an unlawful order and you're in the military, you can be court-martialed and you can be prosecuted and you can be put in jail.
00:27:23.000 Just like in a Chief Woodman. 0.95
00:27:24.000 They set you up.
00:27:25.000 He set up the military.
00:27:27.000 He set it up.
00:27:28.000 I'm sorry, the buck stops with him.
00:27:30.000 Yes.
00:27:31.000 It's his job, whatever it's called, Department of Defense, war, booty, whatever.
00:27:36.000 Can I tell you something is a department of lies?
00:27:39.000 Because I don't know why they don't just tell us that they want regime change in Venezuela instead of fabricating all of this because this is a better distribution.
00:27:47.000 Because, yes, that's exactly right.
00:27:49.000 We'll be right back.
00:27:51.000 Okay, this dog is not going to hunt.
00:27:52.000 If Democrats really believed that Americans are deeply upset about an allegation that probably is not true, and again, we lack evidence to suggest that it is true, that is not going to work.
00:28:02.000 So they're now dredging up another report from the Pentagon.
00:28:06.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, a Pentagon watchdog, his family, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseph, violated some of the department's regulations when he shared sensitive information from his cell phone on Signal earlier this year, according to Senator Mark Kelly.
00:28:18.000 And again, Mark Kelly is trying to set himself up for a potential 2028 run.
00:28:22.000 He's trying to claim that he's essentially a moderate with a military and NASA background, and therefore he's the one who can restore America to glory as opposed to these crazy, crazy people over at the Heg Seth Department of War. 0.81
00:28:36.000 The Defense Department Inspector General concluded that as Pentagon Chief, Heg Seth has the authority to declassify Defense Department information, which suggests the Defense Secretary didn't break the law.
00:28:47.000 So just to be straight, Democrats are now claiming that Hegseth violated departmental regulations when he was on a signal chat with now U.N. Ambassador Mike Walls and some others, including the vice president.
00:29:00.000 But the same report said he didn't violate the law.
00:29:03.000 So I'm not sure why exactly Democrats are trying to make hay out of this one.
00:29:07.000 It's not stopping them.
00:29:09.000 And again, this all plays into a sort of resistance-minded left that is going pretty far out on a limb here to suggest that President Trump and company are in violation of military law.
00:29:21.000 In fact, Senator Mark Warner is now arguing that the uniformed military may have to save us from President Trump.
00:29:29.000 I want to get the truth, and I'm not sure we've had the truth from Hegseth yet.
00:29:33.000 Remember, this is an administration that has treated the uniformed military with unprecedented disrespect when they were all brought to get a pep rally in front of Hegseth and Trump.
00:29:45.000 This is an administration that's fired uniform generals from the head of the NSA, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
00:29:52.000 And I think in many ways, the uniformed military may help save us from this president and his lame people like Hegseph, because I think their commitment is to the Constitution and obviously not to Trump.
00:30:05.000 And I expect Bradley to adhere to that.
00:30:08.000 Okay, so again, the underlying tone here is that the military is going to save us from civilian rule, which is a pretty wild move here from Democrats.
00:30:17.000 Now, what's amazing about this is that the Democratic desperation seems to me somewhat unjustified.
00:30:22.000 The current trend lines suggest that Democrats will do pretty well in 2026.
00:30:27.000 That is what the polling suggests.
00:30:28.000 Harry Enton at CNN analyzed the polling in the aftermath of Republicans winning the 7th congressional district, but by a far narrower margin than they probably should have.
00:30:37.000 And he says, listen, Republicans better watch out for 2026.
00:30:42.000 Republicans should be running for the Hills this morning because the blue wave is building, my dear friend, Mr. Berman.
00:30:49.000 What are we talking about here?
00:30:51.000 Well, Van Epps, Matt Van Epps, the Republican candidate, he won it by nine, but this is a district that Donald Trump won by 22 points, 15 points, 17 points.
00:31:01.000 This is a 13-point gain for the Democrats in terms of the margin.
00:31:06.000 And excuse time for Republicans is over because I hear all about these special elections.
00:31:11.000 Oh, the turnout's so low.
00:31:13.000 It's not representative of what happened in the midterm election.
00:31:16.000 The turnout last night in Tennessee's 7th District was equal to the turnout in the 2022 midterm election.
00:31:24.000 So that blue wave, it seems to be building right out of center of Tennessee.
00:31:30.000 Okay, now, again, one of the facts about that Tennessee special election is that every single county in the 7th congressional district swung to the left, all of them, including Nashville.
00:31:41.000 So Democrats did not win the seat, but they are outperforming expectations at this point.
00:31:48.000 And it seems that Democrats are learning some lessons, and this means that Republicans have to stop being stupid.
00:31:54.000 They have to not make dumb mistakes because Democrats seem to be moving away from some of their dumber errors.
00:32:01.000 So for example, this is Gavin Newsom.
00:32:03.000 I'm not a Gavin Newsome fan, as everyone knows.
00:32:05.000 The California governor and I, we have had our differences and continue to have our differences because I think that he is one of the more lizard-like humans in American politics.
00:32:15.000 With that said, Gavin Newsom is now trying to play to the middle by telling his own party that they need to be more normal.
00:32:21.000 Now, that may be an unnatural position for somebody like Gavin Newsom or for a very radical Democratic Party.
00:32:26.000 But the fact that Gavin Newsom, who again is a bellwether, he puts his finger in the wind and then he moves in the direction of the wind, the fact that he consents that Democrats need to normalize, that should scare Republicans.
00:32:38.000 Republicans can't count on Democrats just being bad at this to win.
00:32:41.000 But I think there's a broader narrative that we have to address.
00:32:45.000 That is we have to be more culturally normal.
00:32:48.000 We have to be a little less judgmental.
00:32:50.000 We have to be a party that understands the importance and power of the border substantively and politically.
00:32:59.000 We have a party that I think needs to design and develop a compelling economic vision for the future where people feel included to reconcile the fact that if we don't democratize our economy, we're not going to save democracy.
00:33:12.000 And I don't think it's healthy that we have 10% of people that own two-thirds of the wealth in this country.
00:33:18.000 I don't think it's sustainable practice.
00:33:20.000 The folks watching Mr. Beast disproportionately 30-year-olds, the first generation in history not doing better than their parents.
00:33:26.000 There's some underlying issues here.
00:33:30.000 Okay, again, listen to Newsom try to tack toward the middle.
00:33:34.000 There are a bunch of issues that Democrats seem to be leaving behind.
00:33:36.000 We open the show by talking about the trans issue.
00:33:38.000 Democrats are not talking about this issue anymore, even when they are asked about the issue, even when they take the wrong side of the issue.
00:33:44.000 Instead, they're punting.
00:33:45.000 That's what Abigail Spanberger did in running for Virginia governor, because she was on the wrong side of the issue, but she knew enough to keep her mouth shut. 1.00
00:33:54.000 When it comes to immigration, Democrats are sounding off a lot about ICE internally.
00:33:58.000 They're talking about ICE tracking down people internally and deporting them.
00:34:02.000 But there are no Democrats of whom I'm aware who are coming out regularly and talking about the evil Trump administration shutting down the southern border.
00:34:11.000 Even Democrats have acknowledged that this is a win for the Trump administration.
00:34:15.000 Why are they acknowledging it?
00:34:16.000 Because it takes the issue completely off the table.
00:34:19.000 If Democrats are not going to reopen the border Biden style, then why ought you fear Democrats with regard to new waves of illegal immigration?
00:34:26.000 So Democrats are taking trans off the table by not talking about it.
00:34:29.000 They're taking the southern border off the table because Trump largely solved the problem and they're not campaigning to reopen the southern border.
00:34:36.000 DEI, you've noticed the word equity, seems not to be the word of the day or this year.
00:34:41.000 Democrats are not talking about equity like Kamala Harris talked about equity.
00:34:45.000 They're no longer talking about racial set-asides.
00:34:47.000 They're no longer talking about the 1619 project.
00:34:50.000 And this is the pattern, by the way, in American politics, is that one side gets high in its own supply after victory and decides to move pretty far to either the right or the left based on their victory.
00:35:01.000 And the other side tacks away from whatever tactics drove it to lose.
00:35:07.000 And so the only point I'm making here is that Democrats may be learning their lesson and Republicans should be careful of that.
00:35:12.000 You cannot always count on your opponents to suck at this.
00:35:15.000 You cannot.
00:35:16.000 Democrats, their big mistake, by the way, in Tennessee 7 is that they ran somebody who was really, really far to the left.
00:35:21.000 If they had run a moderate in Tennessee 7, that margin is not nine points.
00:35:24.000 That margin is maybe two points or three points.
00:35:27.000 They ran a bad candidate and they kind of came close to pulling it off.
00:35:32.000 Why does this matter for Republicans?
00:35:34.000 Because it means Republicans need to find an issue set that is popular with the American people.
00:35:39.000 We'll get to more on Democrats.
00:35:41.000 Are they going to have a big wave?
00:35:42.000 In just a second.
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00:36:09.000 All right, it's time for some fast facts.
00:36:14.000 Speaking of immigration, Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader, when I say Democrats may be catching on, they may be jettisoning some of their less popular views.
00:36:22.000 Here was Hakeem Jeffries just yesterday saying that President Trump does get credit for shutting the southern border.
00:36:27.000 When do you hear Democrats ever given credit?
00:36:29.000 There is strategery at work, gang.
00:36:33.000 And it is true that the poll show in terms of the tactics used that the majority, they don't like the tactics being used.
00:36:40.000 But in terms of the border, securing the border, can you give President Trump any credit for securing the border?
00:36:45.000 Because as you know, that was a big issue under the Biden administration when you had record border crossings and those border crossings have gone down dramatically.
00:36:53.000 Can you give him credit for that?
00:36:55.000 The border is secure.
00:36:57.000 That's a good thing.
00:36:58.000 It's happened on his watch.
00:37:00.000 He wants to claim credit for it.
00:37:02.000 Of course, he'll get credit for that.
00:37:05.000 In terms of making sure that we actually deal with the issues that matter, including on immigration or beyond, there's a lot that is left to be desired.
00:37:15.000 Okay, so again, pretty astonishing that Democrats have to acknowledge that Trump shut the border.
00:37:20.000 They have to, and they should, because it takes the issue off the table for Republicans.
00:37:24.000 Republicans, however, are looking to not allow that issue to get away from them.
00:37:29.000 According to Breitbart, a bill to end federal benefits, including Medicaid, housing assistance, student financial aid, and food stamps for non-citizens, has now been introduced by Senator Tom Cotton in an effort to put American citizens first.
00:37:41.000 The proposal was released Wednesday morning with the third-ranking Senate Republican writing in an authorization to denaturalize naturalized citizens who undermine domestic tranquility by participating in unlawful protests involving violence or property destruction and to expand expedited removal authority.
00:37:56.000 The bill also addresses concerns regarding Afghan nationals living in the United States.
00:38:02.000 If passed, the legislation would require mandatory revetting of nationals of Afghanistan and provide for automatic termination of TPS, that's temporary protected status. 0.98
00:38:12.000 So, again, this is a strong anti-illegal immigration move and a strong move against naturalized citizens who are on welfare, you know, people who have come here and taken advantage of the system. 0.67
00:38:26.000 And this will be popular, right?
00:38:28.000 If Republicans are looking for an issue set, the issue that most unifies by every poll, the Republican base, is the immigration issue, particularly criminal illegal immigrants, immigrants from countries that are not generally friendly to the United States, or areas of the world that have significant terror backgrounds.
00:38:45.000 By the way, that's only going to be exacerbated by stories that seem to be emerging now every day of immigrants to the country from radical Muslim areas of the world who are importing that radicalism here. 0.63
00:38:58.000 According to the New York Post, a Pakistani immigrant and University of Delaware student was arrested with a cache of guns, ammo, and body armor, and a manifesto allegedly explaining plans to kill all and achieve martyrdom with a mass shooting on the school's campus.
00:39:12.000 The shooter was arrested just before midnight, November 24th, after cops found him in his pickup truck in a park after hours and decided to search the car when he began acting suspiciously.
00:39:21.000 Inside, they found a bunch of guns, a bunch of ammo.
00:39:26.000 There's a pistol that fit into a kit that converted it into a semi-automatic rifle.
00:39:30.000 They also found a notebook with handwritten notes detailing a plot to use the weapons to shoot up his former school's campus police department, including a map of the headquarters.
00:39:38.000 It included phrases like, kill all, martyrdom.
00:39:43.000 So, yeah, I think that this kind of immigration we probably don't need. 1.00
00:39:48.000 And Republicans understand that.
00:39:51.000 This is why, if Democrats are smart, they're going to move away from the anti-ICE position they've been taking.
00:39:57.000 So far, they're acknowledging that Trump is largely right on the southern border, but they're ripping on ICE.
00:40:01.000 I'm not sure how much they can continue to rip on immigration and customs enforcement while ICE targets possible criminal, illegal immigrants.
00:40:11.000 It's not going to help if you have people like Rashida Talib, the congresswoman from Michigan, claiming that we should stop investigating immigration after the National Guard shooting.
00:40:21.000 Instead, we should investigate CIA death squads or some such nonsense.
00:40:26.000 Do you mind if I asked you about the Trump administration possibly banning traffic after what happened with the National Guard shooting?
00:40:34.000 Everybody knows how I feel about, as a Muslim in America, blankedly blaming a whole nationality.
00:40:41.000 It's not how we should do it.
00:40:44.000 You feel the same way with the asylum applications if they pause those?
00:40:49.000 Maybe investigate the death squad in the CIA for extension.
00:40:49.000 I don't know.
00:40:55.000 So, you know, again, this sort of perspective, it ain't going to help Democrats.
00:40:59.000 It's also not going to help Democrats to trot out Minneapolis City Council member Jamal Osman, who says that ICE asking people for their documentation is something like Nazi Germany, which, no.
00:41:10.000 I mean, just that's going to be a big no.
00:41:13.000 Yes, folks have done, you know, horrible things and people have committed crimes, but we should not be pointing the entire community in one brush and being singled out at fellow Americans.
00:41:32.000 There's a justice, there's a process of due process, and I believe those folks have been dealt with by the state leaders.
00:41:43.000 But now, President Donald Trump singling out and attacking one group of people and ICE being on our streets and asking people documentation.
00:41:55.000 It feels like we are in the 1930s, 1940s in Germany.
00:42:01.000 No, that's going to be a big no, actually.
00:42:04.000 One thing that was not happening in the 1930s and 1940s in Germany was people being targeted by the government trying to immigrate to Germany.
00:42:12.000 That was not an actual major problem, as it turns out.
00:42:15.000 It was people largely trying to escape and get out.
00:42:19.000 So there's that.
00:42:20.000 If Democrats continue to be radical on this issue, this is an issue Republicans can win on.
00:42:25.000 Republicans can also turn toward attacks on the media.
00:42:27.000 They're going by the tried and true.
00:42:29.000 Now, again, is all this going to be successful?
00:42:31.000 Republicans, I remember, tried this during the first Trump administration during the midterm elections in 2018.
00:42:36.000 In 2018, Donald Trump shifted the focus toward illegal immigration right before the midterms.
00:42:41.000 It did not work for them.
00:42:43.000 We'll see if he does better this time on that issue.
00:42:46.000 Obviously, attacks on the media will continue, as well, they should.
00:42:49.000 Here is Scott Besson going after the New York Times at the Deal Book Summit.
00:42:53.000 How should this is like a new look?
00:42:55.000 Is this a new normal?
00:42:56.000 Andrew, there's no new normal.
00:42:58.000 And I can tell you that I actually don't read the New York Times anymore.
00:43:05.000 But sometimes I do watch CNBC, but occasionally people send me articles.
00:43:11.000 And there's just this fever swamp.
00:43:14.000 And you're now a pop historian with 1929.
00:43:18.000 And in 20, 30, 40, 50 years, the New York Times is no longer the paper of record.
00:43:25.000 You can't go.
00:43:26.000 I read this article.
00:43:28.000 President Trump is slowing down President Trump's mental capacity.
00:43:32.000 It is 100% fake.
00:43:34.000 That, like he only called me twice, at two in the morning last week, instead of three times.
00:43:40.000 You're saying he called you.
00:43:41.000 I I believe that he called you at two or three in the morning, like that.
00:43:44.000 That whole narrative okay, and of course, Besant is right about this.
00:43:48.000 You know, one of the funny things about members of the objective media is that all their errors tend to move in one direction as a general rule.
00:43:55.000 So Republicans, of course, are going to be able to target the media.
00:43:58.000 So immigration targeting the media. 0.94
00:44:01.000 You know, I would assume deregulation will have to be a part of this right, which is why, when it comes to things like healthcare, it is quite important for the Trump administration to come up with some sort of solution that bends the cost curve.
00:44:15.000 Now Democrats have set up a trap.
00:44:16.000 They always did.
00:44:17.000 Obamacare was a trap.
00:44:18.000 Obamacare was a lie.
00:44:19.000 It was predicated on the idea that massive government interventionism in the system burdensome red tape, huge new programs would suddenly lower the cost curve.
00:44:30.000 That didn't happen.
00:44:31.000 I asked our sponsors over at Comet, a project of perplexity, how much have health care costs risen since the advent of Obamacare?
00:44:39.000 How much additional funding will be required over the next 10 years to keep those costs to their original estimates.
00:44:44.000 Well, we're way beyond the original estimates at this point.
00:44:47.000 According to comet, national health spending per person rose from roughly the low $7,000 range in 2010 to about $14,500 per person by 2023.
00:44:58.000 That's in $2023 terms.
00:45:00.000 That's an increase of roughly 30% in real per capita terms over that period.
00:45:06.000 So per-enrollee spending and private insurance grew by more than 80% from 2008 to 2013, outpassing both Medicare and Medicaid.
00:45:14.000 By the way, that's not a statement on behalf of Medicare and Medicaid, both of which have been shifting people off their roles in bizarre ways.
00:45:20.000 Also, even if you're on Medicare, Medicaid, very often you can't see the doctor you want in the first place.
00:45:24.000 As far as future costs that will be required, hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies will be required just to maintain the current cost curve.
00:45:33.000 Democrats, of course, call this a win.
00:45:35.000 Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, one of the Obamacare founders, says that Obamacare was a good first step, but it's 15 years old.
00:45:41.000 That's not the way that durable programs are supposed to work.
00:45:44.000 If you have to keep adjusting the thing every 15 years with $400 billion infusions, it's not working right.
00:45:51.000 The last two years, it's gone up and up and at a very high clip.
00:45:55.000 We need to do three steps.
00:45:57.000 One, extend the subsidies for two years.
00:46:00.000 Give Congress a six-month deadline to get a affordability package together, like the five points I've suggested, that they have to not just propose, but pass and enact, right?
00:46:11.000 And then we need to work on a more comprehensive solution.
00:46:14.000 Obamacare is, the Affordable Care Act was a very good step, but it's now 15 years old.
00:46:20.000 No company puts in place its strategic plan and works on it and doesn't look again for 15 years.
00:46:26.000 Okay, but the problem was that Obamacare was supposed to solve this.
00:46:29.000 This is what Obamacare was designed, or maybe it was never designed to solve this.
00:46:32.000 And this is the point that Republicans need to make.
00:46:35.000 The only way to start bending the cost curve with regard to healthcare is to rejigger the entire regulatory structure.
00:46:42.000 Do Republicans have the stomach for that?
00:46:44.000 I doubt it.
00:46:45.000 I doubt it.
00:46:47.000 Doing nothing is probably the more lucrative path politically for Republicans, which I assume is why Tony Fabrizio, the pollster for President Trump, advises House Republicans to stop talking about Obamacare tax credits and instead to start talking about reducing drug prices.
00:47:03.000 That's not the worst plan I've ever heard, but is this going to be a boon for Republicans?
00:47:08.000 I don't know.
00:47:09.000 I don't know.
00:47:10.000 I also think that it's not going to be a boon for Republicans if the war in Ukraine not only continues, but if Vladimir Putin continues to grow closer to winning that war.
00:47:18.000 According to the Washington Post, Vladimir Putin has refused every compromise in Moscow.
00:47:23.000 That continues a pace.
00:47:25.000 According to the Washington Post, five hours of talks in Moscow between the U.S. delegation and Russian President Putin over a U.S. plan to resolve the war in Ukraine ended without a compromise option, according to the Kremlin.
00:47:36.000 They said that their military victories were swaying the Americans.
00:47:38.000 They feel they have the upper hand right now.
00:47:42.000 So far, no compromise option has been found, but some American proposals appear more or less acceptable, said Putin's top foreign aide, Yuri Ushikov, who attended the meeting.
00:47:50.000 The president did not hide our critical or negative views of certain proposals.
00:47:54.000 Ushikov added that Russian successes on the front in recent weeks have had a positive impact on the course and nature of the talks and forced the U.S. and the West to make more adequate assessments of the situation in Ukraine.
00:48:04.000 So in other words, they think they're winning, so why compromise?
00:48:07.000 I know the American people don't tend to like losing to the Russians, just as a general rule.
00:48:12.000 There's a lot of talk constantly about withdrawals.
00:48:16.000 The reality is that Americans are okay with the general concept of withdrawal.
00:48:20.000 What they don't like is the ugliness that happens in its immediate aftermath.
00:48:25.000 And, you know, it's easy to talk about Ukraine and Russia as though America failing to remain involved has no cost.
00:48:33.000 The American people do not like ugly pictures on their TV of people falling from wheel wells or Russians marching through Kiev.
00:48:39.000 That is not something that they are going to like very much.
00:48:42.000 All righty, we have reached the end of today's show.
00:48:44.000 We'll be back here tomorrow with much more.
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