The Ben Shapiro Show - July 11, 2017


Trump Jr.’s Big Meeting | The Ben Shapiro Show Ep. 337


Episode Stats

Length

22 minutes

Words per Minute

196.42058

Word Count

4,390

Sentence Count

338

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

4


Summary

David Brooks, a faux-conservative columnist for the New York Times, argues that the American upper middle class has become exclusionary. But what does that mean, exactly? And why does it matter? Ben Shapiro explains why it matters, and why it's not even remotely close to what's actually going on in the world as we know it. Plus, Tim Kaine's treasonous tweet about Hillary Clinton, and whether or not Donald Trump is guilty of treason, and much, much more. Ben Shapiro is the host of the Ben Shapiro Show on The Ben Shapiro Podcast, and he's also a contributing editor at The Daily Wire. He's a frequent contributor to The Weekly Standard, and is a regular contributor at The Huffington Post, The Daily Beast, and The Daily Caller, among other publications. He is the author of several books, including The Dark Side of America: A User s Guide to the American Utopia, which you should read if you haven't already done so, if you're a reader of The Daily Mail, The Atlantic, or The New Republic, and/or the New Republic. And if you don't already read them, you can do so on Amazon Prime, or wherever else you get your news and information, you're in for it. If you're not, then you should definitely check them out! if you have the time, because they're worth it. And if not, you'll get a copy of the book, because it's pretty good. . Thanks for listening, Ben Shapiro -- it's a must-listen to Ben Shapiro's excellent work, and it's worth listening to, too. -- especially if you want to know what's going to be the most important thing you can be done in America's most of all, it's the most influential book on the world's most important book in the past two decades, and you're going to get the most out of it, right? of all of that, right there, right in front of you, right across the internet, right at the front page of the internet? -- and you'll have access to the most of the top podcasts and social media sites in the best places in the land, right now, right next to the best podcasts on the best of the world, right after all, and everything else you need to know about what's happening in the place you're talking about, right up to it, and there's a whole lot more.


Transcript

00:00:01.000 On Tuesday, David Brooks, the faux-conservative columnist for the New York Times, and a columnist so ensconced in wry analysis of the American upper-middle class that he seems to have completely lost touch with reality, penned a pretty condescending column, aren't they all, about how upper-middle class Americans have created their own society.
00:00:17.000 Brooks' thesis, quote, over the past generation, members of the college-educated class have become amazingly good at making sure their children retain the privileged status.
00:00:25.000 They've also become devastatingly good at making sure the children of other classes
00:00:29.000 This is a pretty astonishing claim, given that income mobility in the United States hasn't really changed since the 1970s, and that income mobility in the U.S.
00:00:38.000 is the same as Europe's despite Europe's higher levels of redistribution.
00:00:42.000 Virtually all differences in income mobility
00:00:44.000 Between the United States and Europe are attributable to dropping out of high school or having babies out of wedlock.
00:00:49.000 But according to Brooks, the new elite have chopped off the ladder behind them.
00:00:52.000 Brooks blames the pediocracy, stupid.
00:00:55.000 He cites these facts, quote,
00:01:02.000 And for much longer periods.
00:01:03.000 Upper middle class parents have the means to spend two to three times more time with their preschool kids than less affluent parents.
00:01:09.000 Since 1996, education expenditures among the affluent have increased by almost 300%, while education spending among every other group is basically flat.
00:01:18.000 Yes, it turns out that making more money does accord your children extra benefits.
00:01:22.000 But that doesn't mean that you are responsible for shutting off someone else's path to success.
00:01:26.000 According to Brooks, however, the upper middle class has now become exclusionary.
00:01:29.000 How so?
00:01:30.000 First, Brooks cites zoning laws in college admissions.
00:01:33.000 Fair game for a talk of bending rules in favor of the upper middle class, although it's important to note that the vast majority of high school graduates in the United States now go to college, 66% as of 2013, including 46% of graduates from low-income families.
00:01:46.000 But then, Brooks gets weird.
00:01:48.000 He goes after what he calls informal social barriers that segregate the lower 80%.
00:01:51.000 Here is his best example, quote, Recently, I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch.
00:01:57.000 Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop.
00:02:00.000 Suddenly, I saw her face freeze up as she was confronted with sandwiches named Padrino and Pomodoro, and ingredients like soppressata, cappuccino, and striata baguette.
00:02:09.000 I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes, and we ate Mexican.
00:02:14.000 This is idiotic.
00:02:15.000 Did Brooks seek to make his friend feel stupid?
00:02:18.000 Did he mean to suggest that his friend was not welcome?
00:02:20.000 Or did he just want a gourmet sandwich?
00:02:22.000 Attributing malice to people's preferences is as nasty as excluding people through selection of hoity-toity restaurants.
00:02:27.000 But Brooks continues,
00:02:33.000 Sport the right baby carrier, have the right podcast, food truck, tea, wine, and Pilates taste.
00:02:37.000 Not to mention the right attitudes about David Foster Wallace, child rearing, gender norms, and intersectionality.
00:02:41.000 Status rules are partly about collusion, about attracting educated people to your circle, tightening the bonds between you and erecting shields against everyone else.
00:02:49.000 We in the educated class have created barriers to mobility that are more devastating for being invisible.
00:02:54.000 The rest of America can't name them, can't understand them.
00:02:56.000 They just know they're there.
00:02:58.000 Uh, no.
00:02:59.000 We have not created informal barriers to mobility.
00:03:01.000 We associate with people who think like us.
00:03:04.000 This is just as true for the shishi yoga instructor moving to Lubbock as it is for a Lubbock kid moving to Hollywood.
00:03:09.000 But to pretend that the habits of the upper middle class in Texas are the same as the habits of the upper middle class in Massachusetts is stupid and ignorant.
00:03:15.000 Brooks's column is just another way to suggest that low-income Americans have insuperable barriers to success in America.
00:03:21.000 And those barriers can be found in sandwich choices, not merely the institutional obstacles we can identify and tackle.
00:03:27.000 In his column, Brooks actually contributes to a far greater barrier to success in America than cultural striation.
00:03:33.000 He contributes to an unearned sense of victimhood, when the best option would be to encourage people to make solid life choices rather than lamenting their ignorance about soppressata.
00:03:42.000 For the record, I have no idea what the hell soppressata is because I keep kosher.
00:03:46.000 So there's a cultural barrier all to yourself.
00:03:48.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.
00:03:49.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.
00:03:57.000 So many things to talk about.
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00:03:59.000 Okay, so everything is insane.
00:04:01.000 Donald Trump Jr.
00:04:02.000 has now blown up the news cycle.
00:04:04.000 He's released an email exchange, which we will talk about.
00:04:06.000 Is it illegal?
00:04:07.000 Is it treason?
00:04:08.000 So, obviously, Tim Kaine, the senator from Virginia, he's already out front saying that this is treason.
00:04:13.000 We'll discuss whether, indeed, Donald Trump Jr.
00:04:15.000 will be executed, or whether, in fact, the Democrats are going a little too far.
00:04:20.000 We'll discuss the facts here.
00:04:21.000 They're not great for Donald Trump Jr., but we'll talk about all of that.
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00:05:21.000 Okay, so first, the big announcement.
00:05:25.000 I promoted this last Friday.
00:05:27.000 I'm not sure if I mentioned it yesterday.
00:05:29.000 So, on September 14th, I will be going to Berkeley.
00:05:33.000 Yay!
00:05:34.000 So we'll see if Antifa shows up.
00:05:36.000 Young America's Foundation, who does wonderful work sponsoring me going all over the country, they have worked out that I will be going to Berkeley on September 14th.
00:05:43.000 And I fully expect that the administration of Berkeley will do its legal duty to prevent the heckler's veto.
00:05:49.000 Violence from Antifa is not going to stop us.
00:05:52.000 Attempted violence from Antifa is not going to prevent this.
00:05:54.000 And if the Berkeley administration decides they want to shut down my speech because they can't control their own students or outside agitators, well then that's going to be on their own head.
00:06:04.000 But we are coming to Berkeley in about, well, a couple of months now.
00:06:08.000 So in September 14th we are coming to Berkeley.
00:06:10.000 I look forward to seeing everyone there, and hopefully we can have a good, solid discussion as we have at campuses all over the country, wherever they let me speak.
00:06:17.000 So, Bennett Berkeley, it's right now, moving on Twitter, hashtag Bennett Berkeley, looking forward to seeing you all there on September 14th.
00:06:24.000 No hecklers veto.
00:06:25.000 Okay.
00:06:26.000 So, on to the news.
00:06:28.000 Well, actually, you know, before I mention the news, I know I'm really, like, stringing this out, but before I get to the huge news of the day, I just want to mention, have you seen this cup?
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00:06:49.000 Okay, so, the big news of the day is, of course, that Donald Trump Jr.
00:06:54.000 has politically pooped his pants.
00:06:56.000 So, this is a problem.
00:06:58.000 So, as we discussed yesterday, there was a story from the New York Times that said that there was a meeting between Donald Trump Jr.
00:07:02.000 and Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner and a Russian-connected lawyer named Natalia Veselnitskaya, which is an appropriately Russian name, and
00:07:11.000 And I said that there were open questions about this.
00:07:13.000 There's a story that came out from the Times also, a follow-on story, that says that Trump knew that she was an agent for the Russian government.
00:07:20.000 There was an email exchange containing that information.
00:07:23.000 And that had not yet been confirmed, so I was a little bit skeptical of that information until we actually saw the emails.
00:07:29.000 And yesterday, the media decided that they were going to go nuts over this in lieu of seeing the emails.
00:07:33.000 They were going to suggest that the meeting itself was criminal no matter what.
00:07:38.000 There were some open questions.
00:07:39.000 Number one, was this woman Vesel Nitskaya actually a Russian agent?
00:07:43.000 Number two, did Trump Jr.
00:07:44.000 know that she was a Russian agent?
00:07:46.000 Number three, did he attempt to get information from her about Hillary Clinton?
00:07:49.000 And finally, number four, is that actual collusion?
00:07:52.000 And number five, I guess, is it illegal?
00:07:54.000 So we're going to go through all of those questions first.
00:07:56.000 The media and the left decided immediately that this was, in fact, criminal and it was collusion.
00:08:00.000 John Podesta, who has the most at stake here, because if he can claim that the Russians won the election for Trump,
00:08:05.000 Then he looks less like a dope because he ran Hillary's idiotic campaign last year.
00:08:09.000 He says this is starting to smell like collusion.
00:08:11.000 This is yesterday, before the new revelations came out, which we'll talk about in just a second.
00:08:15.000 Well, you know, it's drip, drip, drip.
00:08:18.000 We keep learning more information.
00:08:20.000 The story keeps changing.
00:08:22.000 Now it is clear that they had a specific meeting to gather dirt on Hillary with a Russian lawyer with close ties to the Kremlin.
00:08:35.000 And, you know, the story, again, keeps changing.
00:08:40.000 We never knew about that meeting that Mr. Kushner attended earlier.
00:08:44.000 Donald Trump Jr.
00:08:45.000 said that he specifically went to the meeting with the hopes of soliciting negative information about Hillary.
00:08:54.000 It's starting to smell more and more like collusion to, I think, the public.
00:09:00.000 But most importantly, we really need to get the facts straight on this.
00:09:03.000 Okay, so this sort of drip-drip-drip language, of course, we had to take with a grain of salt because the Democrats have been saying this since literally the middle of last year, and that drip-drip-drip hadn't actually amounted to anything.
00:09:13.000 Senator Richard Blumenthal, he did the same thing.
00:09:15.000 He says, the meeting is criminal.
00:09:16.000 We don't know what happened.
00:09:17.000 This is yesterday.
00:09:18.000 We don't know what happened, but we know it's criminal.
00:09:20.000 Finally, we're going to get the smoking gun.
00:09:21.000 This will be our chance.
00:09:23.000 We will finally nail this sucker down.
00:09:25.000 Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut.
00:09:27.000 This meeting, and most especially Donald Trump Jr.'
00:09:30.000 's clear acknowledgement of the reason for it, is bombshell evidence of conspiracy and criminal intent, because he went to that meeting for a purpose, and that purpose was seeking dirt on Hillary Clinton, potentially in violation of the law.
00:09:44.000 What statute would that be?
00:09:45.000 And that would be 18 United States Code 1030, which is the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, among other statutes.
00:09:52.000 There are a variety of other statutes that might be covered.
00:09:54.000 But an agreement to violate the law, even if somebody doesn't know all the actions are going to be taken, is a conspiracy.
00:10:04.000 Okay, the legal provision that he just cited is really inapplicable.
00:10:06.000 The idea that this was absolutely collusion, from what we know, is that no information was actually passed and there was no actual collusion.
00:10:12.000 It was quote-unquote attempted collusion, if anything.
00:10:15.000 Okay, so we didn't even know that as late as yesterday.
00:10:18.000 And then, we finally get this email exchange.
00:10:20.000 So the New York Times is about to break a story on Donald Trump Jr.'
00:10:23.000 's emails.
00:10:24.000 And we're finally going to get the full story.
00:10:26.000 And that's when Donald Trump Jr.
00:10:27.000 makes the genius move of revealing all of the emails himself.
00:10:31.000 He reveals all of the emails himself, and they are not good.
00:10:36.000 So we are going to go through them, and I'm going to explain what exactly is happening here.
00:10:40.000 So first, I want to introduce you to a man named Rob Goldstone.
00:10:44.000 So Rob Goldstone was apparently an agent who was involved with one of the sponsors, a Russian family that's connected to the Russian government and to Trump originally.
00:10:52.000 That family was one of the co-partners or sponsors.
00:10:56.000 This ship made me think of my childhood.
00:11:23.000 Favourite cartoon... No, it wasn't a cartoon.
00:11:25.000 Whatever it was.
00:11:26.000 Children's TV character, Andy Pandy.
00:11:29.000 I shall now act out an episode of Andy Pandy.
00:11:33.000 This is how it began.
00:11:36.000 Andy Pandy's coming to town.
00:11:38.000 La la la la la.
00:11:41.000 Andy Pandy's almost there.
00:11:43.000 La la la la la.
00:11:44.000 Hello, Andy Pandy.
00:11:47.000 Can you see Ted?
00:11:50.000 Where's Andy?
00:11:51.000 I can't.
00:11:56.000 And there it is!
00:11:57.000 The nefarious criminal mastermind at the nexus of Putin and Trump.
00:12:01.000 We have finally discovered him.
00:12:02.000 Okay, so Rob Goldstone contacts Donald Jr.
00:12:04.000 Okay, this is June 3rd, 2016, just days before Trump is gonna lock up the nomination, effectively.
00:12:09.000 And here's what Rob Goldstone writes, okay?
00:12:11.000 And this is what Donald Trump Jr.
00:12:12.000 tweeted this out today.
00:12:14.000 Himself.
00:12:16.000 Which I guess is that, I mean, there's... I'm just thinking of the meme of that black dude going like this.
00:12:22.000 Right, like you can't be implicated for something bad if you expose yourself.
00:12:25.000 So here is the actual email from Rob Goldstone.
00:12:28.000 It says, Good morning.
00:12:30.000 Amin just called.
00:12:30.000 Amin is the guy who was a co-investor with Trump in the 2013 Miss Universe contest.
00:12:35.000 Amin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
00:12:38.000 The Crown Prosecutor of Russia just met with his father Aras this morning, and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
00:12:51.000 This is obviously very high level and sensitive, but is part of Russia's and its government's support for Mr. Trump.
00:12:57.000 Let me repeat that.
00:12:58.000 Part of Russia's and its government's support for Mr. Trump.
00:13:02.000 Helped along by Aras and Amin.
00:13:04.000 What do you think is the best way to handle this information?
00:13:06.000 And would you be able to speak to Amin about it directly?
00:13:09.000 I can also send this info to your father via Rona, but it is ultra sensitive, so I wanted to send to you first.
00:13:14.000 Best, Rob Goldstone.
00:13:16.000 So, there are a few problems with this particular email that, again, Donald Trump Jr.
00:13:20.000 himself released today.
00:13:21.000 Problem number one.
00:13:23.000 This is openly stating that the meeting was based on the notion that the Russian government was going to provide information to the Trump campaign.
00:13:31.000 Number two, it openly says that this was going to be part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump.
00:13:37.000 Third, the email explicitly says that if we don't go to you, then we can just go right around you to Donald Trump Sr.
00:13:44.000 Right, the implication being that maybe they have some sort of connection to Donald Trump Sr., or at least could get some connection to Donald Trump Sr.
00:13:50.000 Trump Jr.
00:13:50.000 writes back, Thanks Rob, I appreciate that.
00:13:52.000 I am on the road at the moment, but perhaps I just speak to Amin first.
00:13:55.000 Seems we have some time, and if it's what you say, I love it.
00:13:58.000 Especially later in the summer.
00:13:59.000 Like, we can drop the information later in the summer.
00:14:01.000 Could we do a fir- call first thing next week when I am back?
00:14:04.000 Best done.
00:14:04.000 Okay, so.
00:14:05.000 Assume for a second that Donald Trump Jr.
00:14:07.000 is just a dope.
00:14:07.000 Right, okay, so he's just a dope, and he doesn't know any better, and he figures, okay, people gather information from all sorts of sources all the time.
00:14:14.000 In fact, there's a story last year that the Ukrainian government was meeting with surrogates of Hillary Clinton in order to provide them information about Trump and Russia.
00:14:21.000 So, the idea that foreign actors have no influence over American elections is just not true.
00:14:26.000 The Daily Caller's Peter Hafson reported that yesterday.
00:14:28.000 He pointed us to this Politico link where they talked about this last year at the time.
00:14:31.000 So, let's assume that Don Jr.
00:14:33.000 is thinking the same thing.
00:14:34.000 Okay, I'm just gonna go gather information.
00:14:36.000 He then goes to Manafort, who should know better, and Jared Kushner, and all three of them meet, but they're meeting with the notion that this is going to be some sort of Russian government source.
00:14:46.000 The email exchange continues.
00:14:48.000 And now, Rob Goldstone writes, And then it continues, so there's more of these email exchanges, like four pages of these email exchanges.
00:15:04.000 And the email exchanges continue along these lines.
00:15:07.000 They say that Amin is in Moscow.
00:15:10.000 He'll call you when he gets off stage.
00:15:11.000 And then finally, here is the critical email June 7th.
00:15:15.000 Don, hope all is well.
00:15:16.000 This is from Rob Goldstone.
00:15:17.000 Amin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and the Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.
00:15:23.000 I believe you are aware of the meeting and so wondered if 3 p.m.
00:15:26.000 or later on Thursday works for you.
00:15:28.000 I assume it would be at your office.
00:15:29.000 Best, Rob Goldstone.
00:15:31.000 Okay, now the key phrase there is the Russian government attorney.
00:15:34.000 So, now I need to show you tape of the Russian government attorney, okay?
00:15:37.000 This Natalia Veselnitskaya lady.
00:15:40.000 So, we've already met the go-between, Andy Pandy.
00:15:43.000 Now we're about to meet Natasha from Natasha and Boris.
00:15:46.000 She is an attorney who clearly has links to the Russian government, but she was on NBC News crying about how she feels betrayed and talking about Trump Jr.
00:15:55.000 and says she doesn't actually work for the Russian government.
00:15:58.000 They had the impression, it appears, that they were going to be told some information that you had about the DNC.
00:16:07.000 How did they get that impression?
00:16:09.000 It's quite possible that maybe they were looking for such information.
00:16:13.000 They wanted it so badly.
00:16:15.000 And this morning she denies claims she is connected to a Russian government effort to aid Donald Trump's presidency.
00:16:22.000 Have you ever worked for the Russian government?
00:16:26.000 Do you have connections to the Russian government?
00:16:29.000 No.
00:16:32.000 Okay, so if you listen to Vesel Netskaya, then she's not related to the Russian government, but the Trump team was so eager to get information from the Russian government that they met with her randomly.
00:16:40.000 So none of this story makes any sense from her perspective.
00:16:43.000 She is clearly pretty closely linked to the Russian government.
00:16:46.000 She works closely with the Russian government, has represented state-owned businesses, and a senior government official's son.
00:16:51.000 She is what they call a cutout, meaning that she's somebody who has deniable links with Russia, but is pretty clearly associated
00:16:57.000 Okay, so what is the upshot of all of this?
00:17:00.000 Is it illegal?
00:17:01.000 Is Donald Trump Jr.
00:17:02.000 going to be executed for treason, as Tim Kaine ridiculously suggested today?
00:17:07.000 Does it matter?
00:17:08.000 Is there more to follow?
00:17:09.000 We'll talk about all that in just a second.
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00:18:29.000 Is this a crime?
00:18:30.000 So, let's assume that everything in this email is just as it suggests that it is, and let's talk about whether this is illegal or not.
00:18:38.000 So, Jonathan Turley, who's a professor over at George Washington University School of Law, he was talking about this yesterday, and the assumption, which was confirmed this morning, that Trump Jr.
00:18:47.000 met with the Russians knowing that they were the Russians, and that he was attempting to get information, he says, even if that's the case, this is not necessarily illegal.
00:18:53.000 I think he's right.
00:18:53.000 Here's his analysis.
00:18:55.000 I've been looking at, you know, some of the tweets from other former campaign operatives for other campaigns.
00:19:00.000 They said, you know, yes, we do lots of opposition research, but not with foreign entities, not with someone from another country.
00:19:06.000 First of all, it doesn't appear to be true based on the Ukraine connection that we heard about today on the DNC side.
00:19:12.000 But is that true?
00:19:13.000 Does it complicate this legally that it was a meeting with someone from another country who may have a tie to the Kremlin, as most people do in some tangential way or otherwise?
00:19:22.000 No, it's only if we get more information.
00:19:25.000 There could be some wire that's tripped.
00:19:27.000 But the fact that you receive information from a foreign source is not itself any type of crime unless you start to radically broaden the campaign finance rules.
00:19:36.000 The fact is campaigns and aides meet with foreign leaders and nationals all the time.
00:19:41.000 They share information about trade and other issues.
00:19:44.000 Sometimes they share information that runs against their opponent in a campaign.
00:19:49.000 Okay, what he's saying there is exactly right.
00:19:50.000 It is unusual, but it's not clear there's a criminal act.
00:19:53.000 If we are now going to say that getting information from a foreign actor is a violation of campaign finance,
00:20:08.000 Basically, information counts as some sort of donation.
00:20:11.000 Then, Hillary Clinton was getting information, apparently, from the Ukrainian government, as I mentioned earlier, and so it's a little bit difficult to make that case.
00:20:20.000 So, it may not be illegal, but it is certainly going to be the beginning of the Democrats really ramping this into high gear.
00:20:27.000 You thought they were rabid now.
00:20:29.000 Wait.
00:20:29.000 I mean, now they're going to get really rabid because they're going to say, okay, this was just the beginning.
00:20:32.000 Obviously, you have a willingness on the part of the Trump campaign to meet with members of the Russian government, or people who they thought were members of the Russian government.
00:20:38.000 Obviously, you have a willingness on the part of the Russian government to say straight out that they were attempting to swing the election for Trump.
00:20:44.000 Now, there's a way to read that, which is the Russian government was approaching Trump in an effort to entrap him, that basically they wanted to just mess with the election.
00:20:51.000 The only way to get to Trump was to say, we support you.
00:20:53.000 I don't know.
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