The Ben Shapiro Show - Trump SMASHES Harvard

00:00:00.000 Well folks, tons happening in the news.

00:00:02.000 The Trump administration going after Harvard.

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00:00:37.000 All righty, so the big story over the course of the last couple of days that the United States government has now frozen billions of dollars in funding to Harvard.

00:00:46.000 The reason for this is because Harvard refuses to go along with the federal government's demands.

00:00:50.000 That it abide by the Civil Rights Act of 1965.

00:00:53.000 The Civil Rights Act dictates that universities and any business that actually receives federal funding must abide by anti-discrimination law.

00:01:02.000 Now, you cannot like some aspects of the Civil Rights Act, its attempts to intrude into the private sphere, for example.

00:01:08.000 But the Civil Rights Act is in fact the Civil Rights Act.

00:01:11.000 And the fact is that if a university had facilitated anti-black racism to the extent that Harvard University has facilitated Now, we can also be real about the politics of this situation,

00:01:27.000 which is that federal funding should not be going to these universities anyway.

00:01:30.000 So how much money does Harvard actually get from the federal government?

00:01:32.000 I asked our sponsors over at Perplexity exactly how much money does Harvard University receive on an annualized basis from the federal government.

00:01:39.000 They said Harvard University receives substantial funding from the federal government each year primarily to support its research activities.

00:01:45.000 In fiscal year 2024, Harvard received approximately $686 million from a federal agency.

00:01:50.000 This amount constituted about 68% of the university's total sponsored research revenue and accounted for roughly 11% of its overall operating revenue, which is a lot of money.

00:02:01.000 I mean, that's a lot of money that they are receiving.

00:02:03.000 Most of it goes to various science outlets like Harvard Medical School or the School of Public Health, but it also does go to the Faculty of Arts and Sciences.

00:02:13.000 The Department of Health and Human Services is the largest federal funding.

00:02:16.000 They provide $520 million in fiscal year 2024.

00:02:21.000 Now, again, this is a lever.

00:02:22.000 It's not as though all of this money is going into the pockets of the English professors at Harvard, but money is also fungible.

00:02:27.000 So money that would have been spent on the medical facility is now being spent instead on the English faculty.

00:02:32.000 And this is sort of the point the Trump administration is making.

00:02:34.000 There is no reason at all that your federal taxpayer dollars should be going to Harvard University, which has a massive endowment.

00:02:42.000 Billions and billions of dollars in its endowment.

00:02:44.000 $53 billion at last count.

00:02:46.000 There's no reason your taxpayer dollars should be going to fund Harvard in the first place.

00:02:50.000 And maybe that's the overall fight that we actually should be having.

00:02:53.000 But that's a fight that has to be had in Congress as opposed to inside the executive branch.

00:02:57.000 The executive branch is now making the claim that Harvard University should have its funding removed because it is in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1965.

00:03:04.000 Harvard, for its part, says it is now going to resist the Trump administration's demands to change its governance structure over campus anti-Semitism.

00:03:11.000 And so the government then responded by announcing a $2.26 billion freeze of Harvard's multi-year grants and contracts.

00:03:19.000 That's according to the Wall Street Journal.

00:03:20.000 Harvard President Alan Garber put out a statement complaining about the federal government and suggesting the federal government was wrong for involving itself in this way.

00:03:32.000 How dare the federal government actually attach strings to the things it has always attached to strings to?

00:03:37.000 However, President Alan Garber said the university will not surrender its independence or relinquish its constitutional rights.

00:03:42.000 The Trump administration said the school's response, quote, reinforces the troubling entitlement mindset that is endemic in our nation's most prestigious universities and colleges.

00:03:49.000 That federal investment does not come with the responsibility to uphold civil rights laws.

00:03:53.000 Yes.

00:03:55.000 What exactly are the demands?

00:03:56.000 Well, they asked for nine actions.

00:03:58.000 Most of the demands concerned how the university operates.

00:04:01.000 The government was asking for a comprehensive mask ban, as well as changes to governance, leadership and admissions, and an end to diversity, equity and inclusion, DEI program.

00:04:09.000 DEI programs are in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

00:04:11.000 There's no question that DEI, which is predicated on the false notion that inequality of outcome by group must be due to discrimination and therefore must be rectified by reverse discrimination, that that is in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

00:04:24.000 It's certainly in violation of Supreme Court standards with regard to affirmative action.

00:04:28.000 As far as things like a comprehensive mask ban, the idea there is that you don't want people who have shown up to campus on student visas.

00:04:39.000 The government is also demanding necessary changes be made to address bias, improve viewpoint diversity, and end ideological capture, fueling anti-Semitic harassment, according to the Task Force's letter.

00:04:53.000 Lawyers for the university said Harvard has made and will continue to make lasting and robust structural policy and programmatic changes to ensure the university is a welcoming and supportive learning environment, but the task force is making demands, quote, in contravention of the First Amendment.

00:05:05.000 And say that they are ignoring due process.

00:05:08.000 Now, again, this will all get played out in the courts, presumably.

00:05:11.000 But the idea that Harvard University is somehow owed federal money is absurd.

00:05:15.000 It's absurd on its face.

00:05:17.000 There is no reason that the Trump administration should not be able to attach strings to money that it is sending out the door to a university with a $53 billion endowment.

00:05:26.000 You know, it's an easy way for Harvard to continue its policy of independence from the federal government, to be independent of the federal government.

00:05:33.000 It turns out that's an excellent way. 0.95

00:05:34.000 Don't get in bed with the government if you don't want to get screwed.

00:05:37.000 It tends to be a pretty good way of approaching life.

00:05:40.000 The faculty put out a statement on Friday saying, quote, that the federal government's actions overtly seek to impose on Harvard University political views and policy preferences advanced by the Trump administration and commit the university to punishing disfavored speech.

00:05:52.000 Well, no, actually, they're just saying that if you engage in anti-Semitism, then that is in violation of the Civil Rights Act.

00:05:58.000 It's funny to watch all these universities that for years were willing to expel students for saying that boys were not girls.

00:06:04.000 That went after Harvard University.

00:06:06.000 I was there when they went after Lawrence Summers, who at the time was the president of Harvard University.

00:06:09.000 They got angry at him because he made the mere suggestion that perhaps the lack of women in scientific institutions might be due to the fact that women are less interested in scientific pursuits overall as opposed to men, and also that the ends of the bell curve with regard to scientific performance on tests tend to be heavily male.

00:06:26.000 He was ousted from his position for that.

00:06:29.000 So don't give me your free speech concerns.

00:06:32.000 When you guys have been cracking down on free speech yourselves for a long time, at the very least, if you want to say that free speech doesn't apply, they're a private university, all right, then you have to be a private university.

00:06:40.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:06:42.000 You can't say free speech applies to us.

00:06:44.000 We are a free speech institution.

00:06:46.000 Also, we want your taxpayer money.

00:06:47.000 That's not the way that it works.

00:06:50.000 At least it shouldn't work that way.

00:06:52.000 Harvard professor Nicholas Bowie says this is authoritarian.

00:06:55.000 No, what seems authoritarian to me is you seizing my taxpayer money, shoving it in your giant endowment, and then cramming down a bunch of left-wing agitprop on your tens of thousands of students.

00:07:04.000 What the president of the United States is demanding of universities is nothing short of authoritarian.

00:07:12.000 There's a quote on the building of the Department of Justice where law ends, tyranny begins.

00:07:18.000 And tyranny, frankly, is the only word to describe what the Trump administration is doing with respect to universities.

00:07:27.000 I'm confused.

00:07:28.000 How is it tyranny to say you don't get federal dollars if you violate the Civil Rights Act?

00:07:31.000 The Trump Task Force on Anti-Semitism has been investigating Harvard among other universities because, again, during the gigantic anti-Semitic protests that erupted last year after October 7th, and many of them were, in fact, openly anti-Semitic.

00:07:44.000 We're not just talking anti-Israel.

00:07:45.000 We're talking about full-scale screening for Jews walking through courtyards. 0.99

00:07:50.000 Shabbos Kestenbaum is a student at Harvard University.

00:07:52.000 He sued the university.

00:07:53.000 His case is currently in court right now.

00:07:56.000 Based on all of this sort of stuff.

00:07:58.000 And he has many stories to tell about what happened at Harvard University while he was there. 0.60

00:08:02.000 The idea that Harvard did not violate the Civil Rights Act is ridiculous.

00:08:06.000 Now, does that mean that every demand that the Trump administration is making is going to get upheld in court?

00:08:09.000 No, I'm sure that some of those demands will be held to be extraneous to the Civil Rights Act complaints the Trump administration is voicing on Harvard.

00:08:16.000 However, Harvard does not have any moral grounds to stand on when they insist that everyone else pay the bills at an incredibly rich university.

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00:10:43.000 Okay, meanwhile, in other sort of hot legal fights, yesterday, Nayib Bukele, who's the head of El Salvador, stopped by the Oval Office with President Trump and they were talking about a very controversial case surrounding a man named Kilmer Armando Abrego Garcia.

00:10:59.000 That person is a Salvadoran national who lived illegally in the United States.

00:11:04.000 And he was adjudicated as credibly accused, not just of being an illegal immigrant, but of being a member of MS-13 by a variety of courts.

00:11:11.000 That doesn't mean they found that he was, in fact, a member of MS-13.

00:11:14.000 They were saying that there was credible evidence that suggested that he might be a member of MS-13 and the executive branch has the ability to deport him.

00:11:20.000 That was found several years ago.

00:11:21.000 Then, there was a withholding order that was put on him because he made a claim that if he were deported specifically to El Salvador, that he would be killed.

00:11:30.000 Well, the Trump administration then deported him.

00:11:33.000 In court, they claimed in their filings that they'd made a mistake in deporting him.

00:11:36.000 They admitted they'd made a mistake in deporting him.

00:11:38.000 Not because he shouldn't be deported, but because they didn't realize that the withholding order was still good and they had to go through the process.

00:11:44.000 So he ended up being deported.

00:11:45.000 He goes down to El Salvador.

00:11:47.000 He's currently being held in prison in El Salvador.

00:11:49.000 And the Supreme Court found nine to nothing.

00:11:51.000 Not that he couldn't be deported.

00:11:53.000 They found nine to nothing.

00:11:54.000 That the process by which he was deported was flawed.

00:11:57.000 And the Supreme Court suggested that a lower court clarify its directive with due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.

00:12:06.000 And they said the U.S. government had to, quote, facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from custody.

00:12:10.000 So, the question legally here rests on what it means to facilitate his return from El Salvador.

00:12:20.000 Again, this is not about him ending up in the United States.

00:12:23.000 So, yesterday, in the Oval Office, large-scale controversy broke out because...

00:12:29.000 Bukele was there.

00:12:30.000 Bukele is the head of the prison that is holding this particular Salvadoran national.

00:12:35.000 He is doing so under the terms, by the way, of an agreement between the United States and El Salvador.

00:12:42.000 As Andrew McCarthy over at National Review points out, there's actually an agreement between the U.S. government and El Salvador.

00:12:51.000 It's for temporary detention for a period of one year.

00:12:54.000 By the conclusion of that period, the United States is supposed to make a final decision on the detainees' long-term dispositions.

00:12:59.000 The idea here is that the United States still does have some level of control over the detainees that we are sending there because there's still supposed to be some sort of final disposition of those people.

00:13:08.000 Do they get sent back to Venezuela?

00:13:09.000 Do they get sent back to Mexico?

00:13:10.000 Wherever it is they're supposed to be sent back to.

00:13:12.000 Okay, so yesterday, members of the media started asking about this particular national.

00:13:17.000 They started asking about, is he being brought back?

00:13:19.000 Why won't you send him back?

00:13:21.000 Pam Bondi, the attorney general, she was in the Oval Office.

00:13:24.000 Here's what she had to say.

00:13:25.000 Okay.

00:13:26.000 First and foremost, he was illegally in our country. 0.94

00:13:30.000 He had been illegally in our country. 0.55

00:13:32.000 And in 2019, two courts, an immigration court and an appellate immigration court, ruled that he was a member of MS-13 and he was illegally in our country.

00:13:45.000 Okay, so that's not quite what they ruled.

00:13:48.000 They ruled that he was credibly accused of being a member of MS-13 and that the executive branch had the ability to deport him.

00:13:53.000 So that part of what she is saying is true.

00:13:55.000 Stephen Miller, as always, makes the most credible case for what the administration is doing.

00:14:00.000 Stephen is obviously incredibly articulate and very hard on this issue.

00:14:05.000 With respect to you, he's a citizen of El Salvador.

00:14:09.000 So it's very arrogant even for American media to suggest that we would even tell El Salvador how to handle their own citizens as a starting point.

00:14:19.000 Okay, now, it's true he's a Salvadoran citizen.

00:14:21.000 The question is whether he went through due process in the United States before we deport him.

00:14:25.000 This is a separate issue from whether we should deport him.

00:14:27.000 The answer is, presumably, we should deport him, and the Trump administration does have the power to deport him.

00:14:31.000 The question is whether he went through the due process to which pretty much everybody in America is actually, oh, it's not the same due process.

00:14:38.000 If you're not a citizen, the process is different than if you are a citizen, for example.

00:14:42.000 For his part, Bukele, who is a strong ally to President Trump, particularly on immigration and crime.

00:14:48.000 He says he's not going to return the prisoner.

00:14:53.000 Okay, now,

00:15:10.000 of course, that's a bit of a red herring.

00:15:11.000 The reality is that the United States is not actually going to request that Bukele smuggle him back into the United States. 0.98

00:15:17.000 The question is whether, under the Supreme Court's ruling, we have to facilitate his return so that he can be adjudicated, not here legally, and then he gets sent out of the country.

00:15:25.000 And so, facilitation might mean that we request it of Bukele.

00:15:28.000 The idea we have no control over the people that we're shipping down to this prison in El Salvador is obviously not particularly true.

00:15:35.000 And nobody is paying El Salvador right now some $6 million for the current arrangement.

00:15:41.000 So, again, this is an interesting legal issue. 0.95

00:15:44.000 As far as a moral issue, The fact is that this is a loser for Democrats. 0.98

00:15:48.000 It's a loser for the left. 0.75

00:15:49.000 People do not want to see MS-13 members in the United States. 0.65

00:15:51.000 And if the idea is that he didn't get his day in court, I mean, his case went all the way up to the Supreme Court.

00:15:57.000 If the idea is that he must be returned so that he can have a one-day hearing and then deported again, I don't think that's something most Americans are going to lose sleep over one way or another.

00:16:05.000 President Trump, however, he says, because President Trump is always going to go to the limit, he says the homegrowns are next. 0.96

00:16:11.000 Not clear what he means by this.

00:16:13.000 I'd like to go a step further.

00:16:14.000 I said it to Pam.

00:16:16.000 I don't know what the laws are.

00:16:17.000 We always have to obey the laws, but we also have homegrown criminals that push people into subways that hit elderly ladies on the back of the head with a baseball bat when they're not looking that are absolute monsters. 1.00

00:16:34.000 I'd like to include them in the group of people to get them out of the country, but you'll have to be looking at the laws on that, Steve, okay? 0.80

00:16:42.000 Okay, now again, the president continues to say he's going to abide by the laws here.

00:16:46.000 He's not going to just willy-nilly pick American citizens up and throw them in a Salvadoran prison.

00:16:50.000 This, of course, has driven the left insane because whenever President Trump says something like this, even though he is caveating it 10 times that he's going to look at the legality, they immediately jump to he's going to start rounding people up off the street and sending them to Salvadoran prisons.

00:17:03.000 Meanwhile, the administration continues to be extremely strong in pursuing means for the deportation of non-American citizens who are here for no reason other than to agitate.

00:17:15.000 Why? Well,

00:17:31.000 because he has expressed open sympathy for the October 7th terrorism.

00:17:35.000 I described his empathy for it.

00:17:37.000 So people are complaining about the deportation of this person.

00:17:40.000 If you check his Instagram, what you will find is tributes to actual terrorists.

00:17:44.000 So there's a picture, for example, of his cousin, who actually is in, like, a terrorist outfit with a gun, and he's paying homage to him.

00:17:51.000 His posts include the following.

00:17:53.000 This morning, I received the news of the martyrdom of my cousin, my derby companion, my brother and my love, Masra Suleiman Masharka, after a clash with the traitors in his force, who tried to assassinate him along with his companions, the resistance team, Musam Khazam and Arafat al-Amer.

00:18:05.000 It didn't work until the planes entered.

00:18:06.000 And bombarded them.

00:18:07.000 He was a leader of a fierce resistance fighter. 0.99

00:18:10.000 So yeah, this guy is just a terrorist sympathizer. 0.75

00:18:12.000 I mean, that's all there is to it. 0.88

00:18:14.000 Pretty amazing stuff.

00:18:15.000 And the media are finding a way to defend him too. 0.99

00:18:17.000 Because as always, our politics is kind of the stupidest form of our politics. 0.99

00:18:21.000 We should want people who are un-American not to be here in the United States. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Also, we do have to follow the due process for all of that.

00:18:27.000 And I think President Trump agrees with that.

00:18:30.000 Although we will have to see how this case of the Salvadoran citizen plays out.

00:18:35.000 And meanwhile, The stock markets continue to be unsure about what to do given the current tariff war.

00:18:40.000 Every day brings a new surprise in the tariff war.

00:18:44.000 Stocks rose yesterday, more than 300 points.

00:18:47.000 Stock futures were down a little bit today.

00:18:50.000 The reason, again, was because it is totally unclear what is coming next in the trade war.

00:18:55.000 So on Friday night, President Trump drove a hole through the middle of his tariff regime.

00:19:00.000 I had suggested for a couple of weeks this was going to happen.

00:19:02.000 I believe I said it on the All In podcast.

00:19:04.000 I believe I also said it on this podcast.

00:19:05.000 The most likely scenario was that President Trump was going to realize the dire economic impact this was going to have on core American industries, and he was going to have to start making significant exceptions to his own tariff rules.

00:19:16.000 Now again, I think that before we get into the details of what exactly President Trump is trying to do, we have to try to figure out exactly the general goal.

00:19:23.000 So it is pretty clear at this point that President Trump wants to box in the Chinese, which again, is a goal with which I wholeheartedly agree. 1.00

00:19:29.000 We talked about this at length with former representative Mike Gallagher, now of Palantir, talking about what we could do to box in the Chinese with regard to the markets.

00:19:37.000 Because obviously they're stealing hundreds of billions of dollars of RIP every single year.

00:19:41.000 They're growing their military at exorbitant rates.

00:19:43.000 They're flexing their muscles in the South China Sea.

00:19:46.000 They're building connections all over the world, ranging from Africa to the Middle East to Latin America and all the rest.

00:19:51.000 I totally agree with that.

00:19:59.000 If you're going to do that, you have to have a few preconditions.

00:20:02.000 There are certain things you have to do.

00:20:03.000 Number one.

00:20:03.000 You have to have allies on board because if China just increases its trade with everybody else, then you get in macro scale basically what's happened with Russia during the Ukraine war, where there's an attempt to cut Russia off from the world economic system.

00:20:16.000 Russia formed greater alliances economically with places like Russia and even places that are sort of oriented between the United States and Russia, like India, and they've been able to economically survive.

00:20:26.000 So you really have to box everybody in.

00:20:27.000 It's really, really important to box China in by having a bunch of allies around. 0.55

00:20:31.000 Because that's step number one.

00:20:32.000 You've got to have allies.

00:20:33.000 Number two, you have to make sure that your own supply lines are durable.

00:20:37.000 That China can't break your supply lines. 0.51

00:20:39.000 Because China has certain things that they can do to really hurt the United States economy and put us on the wrong foot with regard to even things like military readiness.

00:20:46.000 So that means we need alternative supply lines with regard to everything from semiconductors to rare earth minerals.

00:20:54.000 That would be step number two.

00:20:55.000 And then step number three is you would actually have to gradually increase the tariffs so that you don't destroy American businesses in the process.

00:21:04.000 Give them a chance to adjust.

00:21:05.000 There are a lot of people who I've been talking to, business people, who have, after 30 years, 40 years of working with the Chinese, they were hit overnight with a 145% tariff.

00:21:14.000 Many of those businesses are likely to go under because there is no actual replacement supply chain.

00:21:19.000 For those businesses at this point, prices are likely to skyrocket, demand is likely to then fall, and then you are likely to see an actual economic recession if that sort of thing was to continue.

00:21:28.000 So the administration went whole hog.

00:21:32.000 They put tariffs on everybody, but most of all on China.

00:21:34.000 Then they backed off the tariffs on the rest of the world to a certain extent, but not all the way.

00:21:38.000 10% tariffs are still quite high by historical standards.

00:21:41.000 10% tariffs across the board.

00:21:43.000 The United States was charging an effective 2.7% tariff on the rest of the world.

00:21:46.000 That would have included China before all of this.

00:21:49.000 And now it's 10% on everybody who's not China and 145% on China.

00:21:52.000 So that's a pretty radical escalation.

00:21:54.000 And so now it seems that they're trying to walk their way back into what would look like a good tariff policy.

00:22:00.000 The question is whether they're going to be able to effectively do that.

00:22:04.000 So on Friday night, President Trump created exemptions for semiconductors and iPhones.

00:22:09.000 This led to a late afternoon spike in the stock markets on Friday, and it led to mild gains on the Dow Jones Industrial Average yesterday.

00:22:17.000 Now everybody is unsure of what comes next exactly.

00:22:20.000 According to Newsweek, President Trump's reciprocal tariffs as of a Friday night update spares smartphones, computers, and other electronic products that have been expected to face steep duties under sweeping new levies, particularly those targeting Chinese imports.

00:22:33.000 Now again, some of this looks like favoritism.

00:22:36.000 It looks like some of the big companies that President Trump has been working closely with, companies like Apple or NVIDIA, that those particular companies got carved out specific to them.

00:22:46.000 And this is one of the problems when you have tariff policies that are not specifically calibrated.

00:22:50.000 What you end up with is that the people with the best lobbyists get the exemptions and everybody else gets screwed.

00:22:55.000 So the small business owner who doesn't have lobbyists in Washington pledging to spend $100 billion in America, those people are going to get totally jacked by the tariffs.

00:23:04.000 Whereas if you are a big company, then you're going to be able to go to the Trump administration and get a carve-out.

00:23:08.000 So it's not particularly fair.

00:23:11.000 It's also true that it's going to take longer than just a few months to reshore Crucial industries like, for example, semiconducting manufacturer.

00:23:19.000 If you're a semiconducting manufacturing facility, that's going to take you 5, 10, maybe 15 years to build in the right way, particularly in the United States where it's very, very difficult to build.

00:23:29.000 What you really need is radical deregulation inside the United States making it easier to build.

00:23:34.000 The exemption list includes the products the U.S. heavily relies on for overseas production with limited domestic manufacturing capacity and high consumer demand.

00:23:45.000 Administration rolled that out Friday night, and everybody said, OK, well, maybe this is the start of a loosening or recalibration.

00:23:51.000 And then on Sunday, President Trump put out a statement saying, no, no, no, no, you're misunderstanding me.

00:23:56.000 Nobody gets off the hook, which is weird because Apple and NVIDIA seem to get off the hook.

00:24:00.000 He said nobody is getting off the hook for the unfair trade balances and non-monetary tariff barriers that other countries have used against us, especially not China, which by far treats us the worst.

00:24:08.000 There is no tariff exception announced on Friday.

00:24:10.000 These products are subject to the existing 20% fentanyl tariffs.

00:24:13.000 They're just moving to a different tariff bucket.

00:24:15.000 The fake news knows this, but it's refusing to report it.

00:24:17.000 We're taking a look at semiconductors and the whole electronics supply chain in the upcoming national security tariff investigations.

00:24:23.000 What has been exposed is that we need to make products in the United States and that we will not be held hostage by other countries, especially hostile trading nations like China, which will do everything within its power to disrespect the American people.

00:24:32.000 We also cannot let them continue to abuse us on trade like they have for decades.

00:24:36.000 Those days are over.

00:24:37.000 The golden age of America, which includes the upcoming tax and regulation cuts, a substantial amount of which was just approved by the House and Senate, will mean more and better paying jobs, making products in our nation and treating other countries, in particular China, the same way they have treated us.

00:24:48.000 The bottom line is that our country will be bigger, better, stronger than ever before.

00:24:51.000 We will make America great.

00:24:53.000 Now, again, it is not totally clear what President Trump means by the idea that this is going to fall into a different tariff bucket.

00:25:02.000 Presumably, he means that these will be covered.

00:25:05.000 By 232 tariffs, which are basically investigations into product manipulation, essentially.

00:25:16.000 Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 allows for sectoral tariffs.

00:25:24.000 Basically, you start an investigation into importing, and you see whether it's being manipulated, and then you can do tariffs under that provision.

00:25:33.000 He's saying that we need an investigation.

00:25:34.000 The truth is we actually don't need an investigation with regard to the import of semiconductors.

00:25:39.000 We know a lot about that particular area of the supply line.

00:25:42.000 It looks more like an excuse to hold off on the worst impact of what the tariffs would be if we were to actually include electronics products, semiconductors, iPhone manufacturer, and all the rest in the tariffs.

00:25:56.000 So mixed messages coming from the administration on this particular point.

00:26:00.000 Howard Lutnick is the Commerce Secretary.

00:26:01.000 Here he was on Sunday.

00:26:03.000 Saying that tariffs are in fact coming on semiconductors.

00:26:07.000 You're going to see this week there'll be a register in the federal registry.

00:26:11.000 There'll be a notice put out.

00:26:13.000 That is different types of work.

00:26:16.000 So we're going to do that.

00:26:17.000 We did that in autos.

00:26:18.000 The president's going to do it for pharmaceuticals and he is going to do it for semiconductors.

00:26:22.000 So all those products are going to come under semiconductors and they're going to have a special focus type of tariff to make sure that those products get reassured.

00:26:32.000 We'll get into more of this in a moment.

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00:28:33.000 Okay, meanwhile, Peter Navarro, who again should not be inside the administration since he doesn't know what he's talking about on trade and has single-handedly helped crater international bond markets, for example, he says that there are no exceptions to the tariff regime, which is weird because there's a giant exception to the tariff regime,

00:28:49.000 at least for now.

00:28:50.000 The policy is no exemptions, no exclusions.

00:28:54.000 What Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick is going to do, is doing it as we speak, is an investigation of the chip supply chain.

00:29:03.000 The goal is stability and resilience.

00:29:04.000 And you will see actions taken based on those investigations on copper.

00:29:11.000 We already have steel and aluminum.

00:29:12.000 We already have autos.

00:29:13.000 There will be pharmaceuticals.

00:29:15.000 And there will be chips.

00:29:20.000 Meanwhile, Stephen Miller laid out the best case for why the administration was doing what he's doing.

00:29:25.000 Again, Miller is the best expositor of what the administration is thinking.

00:29:29.000 When the tariff rate went up to the full rate of 125 on top of the 20, it was necessary to publish a more detailed list from Customs and Border Protection explaining the rates and how they're applied.

00:29:42.000 There are no exemptions.

00:29:44.000 Everyone pays at least the 20%.

00:29:47.000 And these particular components are being put through a separate process controlled by the Department of Commerce, which is the 232.

00:29:53.000 So this is a sophisticated, elegant, detailed plan to deal with Chinese economic aggression against the United States. 0.90

00:30:01.000 Okay, I wish it were more sophisticated and elegant and explicable because the reality is that the markets have no idea what's coming next or what exactly is going on, and that's being reflected in the bond markets as well as the stock market.

00:30:11.000 As the Wall Street Journal editorial board says, what happened and what's the real policy?

00:30:14.000 Who knows?

00:30:15.000 Perhaps Mr. Trump didn't like the reporting.

00:30:17.000 The tech giants like Apple and Tim Cook were getting exceptions.

00:30:19.000 Other winners in the CBP notice would be Dell Technologies' Michael Dell, Jensen Huang of Nvidia, and the executives and shareholders of Hewlett-Packard and TSMC.

00:30:29.000 These exemptions would be good news for consumers who are otherwise facing much higher prices for smartphones that are a staple of modern life.

00:30:34.000 But after President Trump's broadside, tech companies and electronics firms are left wondering exactly who is going to get a reprieve.

00:30:40.000 And what it's going to look like, frankly, is a bidding process.

00:30:42.000 Because NVIDIA...

00:30:43.000 Immediately after receiving this reprieve, unveiled plans to produce new Made in America supercomputers powering AI in the United States, claiming $500 billion spending on AI in the United States.

00:30:56.000 Now, do I think those two things are disconnected?

00:30:58.000 I absolutely do not.

00:30:58.000 I think that what you are seeing is major companies basically coming to the Trump administration and saying, if we pledge that we're going to spend X number of dollars in the American economy, can we get an exemption from the tariffs for the moment?

00:31:08.000 That's what it looks like, which is why.

00:31:10.000 Tariffs provide for political chaos, and they also provide a heavy dose of lobbying.

00:31:15.000 The lobbyists are going to do real well when you have regulations that basically can be relieved with one stroke of the pen.

00:31:22.000 Apple apparently is also studying potentially bringing some iPhone production into the United States.

00:31:27.000 Or Apple could produce an ultra-expensive version of the phone that have lower mass market appeal, sort of like the Mac Pro that was assembled in the United States during the first Trump administration.

00:31:36.000 President Trump is now saying that he wants to extend exemptions into, wait for it, the auto industry.

00:31:40.000 Again, all of the crucial industries.

00:31:42.000 By the way, these are the industries that China is most likely to be able to make inroads with its economy into.

00:31:51.000 Let's just be clear about this.

00:31:52.000 China makes an awful lot of money on these particular exports, so we are exempting large swaths of its export industry.

00:31:58.000 We're still keeping the tariffs on stuffed animals, but we're not keeping tariffs on iPhones or on computers.

00:32:05.000 Or on car parts?

00:32:06.000 That is a very large chunk of the Chinese export industry to the United States.

00:32:11.000 So let's just be clear about what exactly is happening here.

00:32:13.000 President Trump is in fact cutting holes in the middle of his tariff regime.

00:32:16.000 Now, again, you may say this is necessary because we need time in order to adjust to President Trump's larger tariff regime.

00:32:22.000 Okay, that's fine.

00:32:23.000 But then we should be explaining that that's exactly what is happening here.

00:32:25.000 Here's President Trump considering a pause on auto tariffs now.

00:32:28.000 I'm looking at something to help some of the car companies where they're switching to parts that were made in Canada, Mexico, and other places.

00:32:37.000 And they need a little bit of time because they're going to make them here.

00:32:41.000 But they need a little bit of time.

00:32:43.000 So I'm talking about things like that.

00:32:47.000 Okay, so again, cutting holes in the middle of this tariff regime.

00:32:51.000 I've been saying this for a couple of weeks, really since President Trump announced it.

00:32:54.000 This was the most likely outcome, is that he was going to have to back away.

00:32:57.000 From the strongest parts of the tariffs because they were not well calibrated or well adjusted.

00:33:01.000 And hopefully this is a better form of these things.

00:33:04.000 That is sort of the glass half full version of what's going on with the tariffs.

00:33:08.000 The glass half empty says that basically the administration laid out a set of tariff priorities that were uncalibrated and now is rushing to try and fix them as best it can.

00:33:19.000 And basically they're spackling over many of the cracks in the edifice in order to prevent complete collapse of the global international trading system.

00:33:27.000 The reality is that many of the theories upon which the Trump administration is predicating itself here may in fact be mistaken.

00:33:34.000 So for example, the idea that when you erect tariffs, a bunch of companies are going to come reshore in the United States.

00:33:39.000 The question is whether they're actually going to do that.

00:33:42.000 According to a new CNBC supply chain survey, if China loses some manufacturing as a result of President Trump's tariffs, the U.S. manufacturing sector is not going to be the place where people reshore.

00:33:51.000 People aren't going to reshore from China to the United States.

00:33:54.000 They're going to reshore from China to, say, Vietnam.

00:33:56.000 Over half of those surveyed said cost was the top reason for saying they would not be reshoring production.

00:34:01.000 21% of their top reason was the challenge of finding skilled labor.

00:34:05.000 The Trump administration is promising tax cuts for companies that bring back manufacturing.

00:34:08.000 The survey found taxes 14% lower in companies' ranking of factors that impact manufacturers' site decision-making.

00:34:16.000 Taken together, the majority of respondents estimated the price tag of building a new domestic supply chain would be at least double current costs, or more likely be more than double.

00:34:25.000 Instead of moving supply chains back to the United States, according to 61%, again, these are people who are manufacturers, they said it would be more cost-effective to relocate supply chains to lower-tariffed countries.

00:34:34.000 So you will get people moving away from China to Vietnam.

00:34:36.000 That's fine, by the way.

00:34:37.000 Moving from China to Vietnam would be great, so long as we actually are negotiating trade agreements with these other various countries to cut off the Chinese. 1.00

00:34:44.000 The question, of course, is whether, in fact, those other countries will cut off the Chinese or whether they will continue to trade with both sides.

00:34:52.000 So, this raises the question, of course, as to whether the countries we are attempting to cut deals with on trade are actually going to move away from China, because those are two different questions.

00:35:01.000 It is clear that President Trump wants to negotiate what he calls better deals with a variety of these countries, and maybe we'll get some of them.

00:35:08.000 Treasury Secretary Scott Besant, there's a rule inside the administration, by the way.

00:35:12.000 Every time Peter Navarro appears on the television, the stock market goes down.

00:35:15.000 Every time Scott Besant appears on the television, the stock market goes up, which is why President Trump should listen to Scott Besant.

00:35:20.000 And not Peter Navarro or Howard Lutnick on this sort of stuff.

00:35:22.000 Scott Besson has been out there saying that we are moving fast to do deals.

00:35:26.000 We are moving quickly with many of our most important trading partners.

00:35:31.000 So we had Vietnam in last week. 0.96

00:35:34.000 We had Japanese in on Wednesday, South Korea next week.

00:35:41.000 So it's going to move fast.

00:35:45.000 Okay, so good.

00:35:47.000 I mean, we need to move faster than fast on this stuff.

00:35:49.000 Kevin Hassett, who again is another one of the members of the administration, who is looking at a smarter tariff policy.

00:35:54.000 He's of the National Economic Council.

00:35:56.000 He says we're being contacted by everyone.

00:35:59.000 You know, it's going up every day.

00:36:00.000 And the fact is that we've been contacted by virtually every country on Earth.

00:36:04.000 And I talk to Jameson Greer many times a day.

00:36:08.000 And I think that the count of actual offers is north of 10 a little bit right now.

00:36:13.000 And so I was being cautious with it when I said 10 earlier today.

00:36:17.000 Now, if you want to understand what's going on in this trade war, you have to also understand what's going on on the other side of the chess table.

00:36:23.000 So the United States is making moves, and China's not sitting still.

00:36:26.000 If, as I said, the goal of the United States in coordinating off China and boxing them in, if the goal is, one, activate your allies and make sure that they're not trading with China. 0.81

00:36:36.000 Two, make sure that you have reshored key industries such that you're not reliant on Chinese exports.

00:36:43.000 Those are the two big things.

00:36:45.000 And three, you really have to build up your military.

00:36:47.000 What China wants is to counteract those things.

00:36:50.000 So what they are going to attempt to do, presumably, is to make friends with all of the people that we are attempting to militarize against them.

00:36:57.000 The bad news for the Trump administration is it seems like that actually is happening quite quickly.

00:37:01.000 And the reason for that is, again, the original approach here, which should have been, let's be great friends with all of our friends.

00:37:07.000 Let's be really bad enemies to our enemies.

00:37:10.000 Instead, it was like, what if I just run around the room slapping everybody in the face with this rubber chicken? 1.00

00:37:13.000 And then we'll walk it back.

00:37:15.000 Again, that was not a good plan.

00:37:17.000 Now, it may reverse back into something that looks like a better plan, but in the meantime, that sort of attitude is leading other countries to say, well, you know, maybe we'll triangulate.

00:37:24.000 Maybe we'll take a better deal from the U.S., and maybe we'll also continue to trade with the Chinese.

00:37:30.000 What's the U.S. exactly going to do about that?

00:37:32.000 Unless the U.S. is willing to place secondary sanctions on the EU or something for trading with the Chinese, which would just drive the EU deeper into the heart of the Chinese sphere. 0.93

00:37:41.000 As the Wall Street Journal pointed out over the weekend, U.S. allies are sitting out Trump's trade war with China.

00:37:47.000 Some 70 countries currently negotiating tariff relief with the United States should approach China as a group together with Washington, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said last week.

00:37:55.000 But the problem is many European and Asian partners aren't sure to what extent they're still allied with Washington.

00:38:00.000 Trump's initial Liberation Day order after all slapped them with sky-high tariffs that made no distinction between long-term adversaries and faithful allies.

00:38:06.000 The shock from this attack partially reversed only as a result of the U.S. market route with additional exemptions quietly adopted on Friday.

00:38:13.000 has added to months of concerns about how much Trump's America can be relied upon in an increasingly brutal world.

00:38:18.000 Again, if the idea is that China is our geopolitical enemy, we need to box them in. 0.98

00:38:21.000 You don't want to slap around the people who you're considering your allies.

00:38:25.000 It is thus no surprise to see Vietnam, which is one of the states that the Trump administration originally slapped with a 46% tariff and then walked it back all the way down to 10%.

00:38:33.000 Vietnam is now making common cause with, wait for it, China. 0.88

00:38:36.000 They're trying to triangulate between the United States and China.

00:38:39.000 According to the Washington Post, Chinese leader Xi Jinping called on Southeast Asian countries Monday to join him in resisting President Trump's unilateralism and protectionism, part of his effort to present Beijing as a more reliable ally and trading partner.

00:38:50.000 So again, this is what you would do if you were the leader of China.

00:38:52.000 You would try to escape the box being created by the Trump administration by making alliances or at least trade relationships with all the people that Trump is trying to alienate you from.

00:39:02.000 Xi arrived Monday in Vietnam.

00:39:03.000 He got a very, very warm welcome, apparently.

00:39:06.000 His strategy aims to expand China's friends and trading partners in the region to better insulate itself against Trump's tariffs.

00:39:11.000 It also is part of China's efforts to unseat the United States as the preeminent superpower in the region and establish a world order more in line with Beijing's interests.

00:39:20.000 Xi wrote an editorial for the official newspaper of Vietnam's Communist Party saying, So again, China is doing all the things you would expect them to do.

00:39:34.000 That includes, by the way, Pressing its finger directly in the wound that is America's supply line.

00:39:40.000 So, for example, China, as I said they would last week, not that I told you so, but I totally told you so.

00:39:45.000 This is the benefit of listening to the show as you're a couple of days ahead of the news.

00:39:49.000 China is now stopping its shipping of some heavy rare earth metals and magnets, critical to US production of everything from cell phones to fighter jets, as their trade war simmers, according to the New York Post.

00:39:58.000 Effective April 3rd, China is no longer exporting seven heavy rare earth metals processed exclusively in China.

00:40:05.000 as well as heavy rare earth magnets, of which about 90% of the world's supply are also synthesized on Beijing's territory.

00:40:11.000 The export halt applies to all countries, but access to elements like dysprosium and yttrium is critical to U.S. industry, especially in tech, electric vehicle, aircraft, and defense sectors, according to Drew Horn, who served as the top U.S. official on strategic minerals and energy supply chain development under President Trump the first time around.

00:40:28.000 Rare earths earn everything, he said.

00:40:29.000 The EV, auto space, everything from cell phones, defense key components, space travel.

00:40:34.000 China, he said, has essentially created an all-powerful monopoly with them, which, again, is the reason why the United States, for example, should be drawing closer to, wait for it, Canada, because Canada does have access to some of these critical rare-earth minerals.

00:40:45.000 So instead of alienating and slapping around the Canadians, we should have been trying to draw closer to them to make sure that our supply lines were actually reshored.

00:40:53.000 Horn said the Chinese have been threatening this because they do have that leverage to basically cut us off and cut the world off, which essentially cuts us off through all sorts of different means, and now they're doing it. 0.99

00:41:01.000 So again, Beijing is doing exactly the thing that you would expect them to do.

00:41:04.000 Beijing is also trying to cut off American companies from doing business in China, including Boeing.

00:41:10.000 According to Channel News Asia, China has now told its airlines to stop taking deliveries of jets from American aviation giant Boeing.

00:41:19.000 Apparently, China is also ordering airlines to halt deliveries of Boeing planes.

00:41:23.000 Beijing has told its carriers to suspend purchases of aircraft-related equipment and parts from U.S. companies.

00:41:27.000 So China is, in fact, pretty good at manufacture, right?

00:41:31.000 Basically, we took all of the service sector and China took a large swath of the manufacturing sector.

00:41:36.000 And so China is now attempting to damage the United States. 0.83

00:41:39.000 And they can do damage to the United States, which is why you actually have to have a plan for what you want this trade war to look like, how you want it to go.

00:41:47.000 Meanwhile, there are significant problems in the bond market.

00:41:51.000 The reality is that the U.S. 10-year Treasury Yield Index has been climbing sky high.

00:41:56.000 People are moving out of bonds, which shows lack of faith in the American market.

00:42:00.000 Meanwhile, the price of spot gold is going up because, again, people don't know where to put their money, and so they're figuring that precious metals is a pretty good place to put it.

00:42:07.000 If you're worried about the dollar, if you're worried about bonds, if you're worried about stocks, where exactly do you put your money?

00:42:11.000 You put it in gold.

00:42:13.000 The United States, meanwhile, the trade representative, Jamison Greer, he's saying that China didn't have to retaliate, which is like, I'm sorry, that if you don't like what China did in response, maybe you shouldn't have put your pawn there.

00:42:27.000 Honestly, if you're playing chess, you can't blame the other side for taking your pawn if you put it in a vulnerable position.

00:42:32.000 The only reason we're really in this position right now is because China chose to retaliate

00:42:38.000 Well, yes,

00:42:53.000 they do have agency.

00:42:54.000 But why would they not retaliate considering you slapped them with a 145% tariff and made clear to the rest of the world that you wish to go to trade war with them?

00:43:02.000 And there are better ways of approaching this and worse ways.

00:43:04.000 As I say, I agree with the overall global strategy that Trump is pursuing.

00:43:08.000 The question is, what are the tactics you use to achieve the strategy?

00:43:12.000 The idea for a war can be correct, but if you pursue it in the wrong way, you can still lose the war.

00:43:17.000 And this here is the problem.

00:43:18.000 And meanwhile, speaking of areas where the Trump administration foreign policy is riding a race.

00:43:25.000 I have to say, the Trump administration continues to deploy Steve Witkoff as though he is some sort of negotiating savant.

00:43:31.000 And I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that Steve Witkoff is a negotiating savant.

00:43:35.000 Steve Witkoff is a business person who has now been thrust into an arena in foreign policy he knows literally nothing about, and he continues to show it pretty much every time he appears on television or talks about it.

00:43:46.000 This is the same Steve Witkoff, the special envoy.

00:43:49.000 President Trump has appointed him special envoy to Russia-Ukraine.

00:43:51.000 And when it comes to Russia-Ukraine, I should point out, That literally nothing has happened with Russia-Ukraine.

00:43:55.000 Russia, over the weekend, fired missiles into Ukraine again, killed some 34 people, including civilians, because Russia doesn't care about killing civilians, like, at all, at all.

00:44:05.000 It's not targeting anything.

00:44:06.000 And Steve Witkoff pressured Zelensky to come to the table.

00:44:09.000 Zelensky, because President Trump and J.D. Vance basically yelled at him, came to the table and said, we're willing to do a ceasefire now, and Russia has done zero things.

00:44:18.000 Zero. Russia has done nothing.

00:44:20.000 So if Steve Whitcoff is a negotiating genius, why isn't Putin at the table?

00:44:24.000 Where is he?

00:44:26.000 Now, President Trump seems fed up with Putin, as well he should be.

00:44:29.000 Now, President Trump's peace through strength foreign policy is not being well served by Steve Whitcoff, who appears to have no capacity whatsoever to actually threaten the use of the fist.

00:44:37.000 Instead, it's all velvet glove and no fist, which is definitely not the way that Trump has historically approached foreign policy.

00:44:43.000 Here's President Trump yesterday blaming Vladimir Putin predominantly for the war in Ukraine and then Biden and Zelensky.

00:44:50.000 And most importantly, you have millions of people dead.

00:44:53.000 Millions of people dead because of three people.

00:44:58.000 I would say three people.

00:45:00.000 Let's say Putin, number one.

00:45:02.000 But let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing.

00:45:06.000 Number two, and Zelensky.

00:45:10.000 So, again, he's angry at everybody.

00:45:13.000 He should be angry at everybody because, again, here's the thing.

00:45:16.000 He got Zelensky to the table.

00:45:17.000 Where's Putin?

00:45:18.000 Where's Putin?

00:45:20.000 Well, now Witkoff is saying that he had a meeting on April 11th in St. Petersburg.

00:45:25.000 He said it was a compelling meeting and that Putin had shown a willingness to work toward a permanent peace.

00:45:29.000 But he said it took a while for us to get to that point.

00:45:31.000 He said this peace deal is about these so-called five territories, but there's so much more to it.

00:45:35.000 I think we might be on the verge of something that would be very important for the world at large.

00:45:39.000 OK, suffice it to say, I do not trust Steve Witkoff's judgment when it comes to cutting deals, because so far the deals that he has cut have been effectively useless.

00:45:48.000 The only deal that he cut.

00:45:49.000 Was the deal to release some of the Israeli hostages from Hamas very early on.

00:45:53.000 And frankly, that deal was maybe the mediocre deal I have seen.

00:46:00.000 Everything else that Wyckoff is doing, he says that there's a broader aim behind the talk, suggesting economic cooperation could help stabilize relations between the U.S. and Russia.

00:46:08.000 He said, I see the possibility of reshaping the Russian-United States relationship through some very compelling commercial opportunities that gives real stability to the region too.

00:46:15.000 Okay, let's see.

00:46:17.000 What exactly Witkoff is arguing here for?

00:46:21.000 Because it seems like every place he goes, he just proceeds to lather up whomever is the dictator and then treat them with kid gloves.

00:46:28.000 So really, I'd love to see what exactly is the compelling offer that Vladimir Putin is making.

00:46:33.000 Because so far, Vladimir Putin has not stopped for one iota of one second with regard to his war in Ukraine.

00:46:39.000 Again, Zelensky said, I'll do a ceasefire, full ceasefire today.

00:46:42.000 We are now weeks into this and nothing from Putin.

00:46:45.000 So where is Witkoff? 0.99

00:46:46.000 Speaking of which, Meanwhile, Whitcoff is saying stupid things with regard to Iran as well. 0.79

00:46:51.000 So President Trump, again, he trusts Steve Whitcoff on a personal level, I take it, but I have yet to see why Whitcoff should be trusted with matters of foreign policy of which he understands pretty much nothing. 0.97

00:47:01.000 I mean, truly nothing.

00:47:02.000 So Whitcoff was on Fox News last night with Sean Hannity.

00:47:05.000 He was talking about the negotiations that are happening, not direct negotiations, indirect negotiations happening with the Iranians.

00:47:12.000 And he proceeds to spell out here the...

00:47:16.000 Obama-Iran deal as though this is a win.

00:47:19.000 This is not what Trump ran on.

00:47:21.000 This is not what Trump did during term one.

00:47:23.000 Trump has used extreme measures in order to contain and destroy the Iranian economy to bring the Iranians to the table.

00:47:30.000 The skies over Iran are clear right now.

00:47:32.000 Never has the United States had more leverage.

00:47:35.000 Never has the West had more leverage over Iran.

00:47:37.000 And yet he's deploying Steve Whitcoff to apparently make offers that sound exactly like Barack Obama's cowardly, ridiculous offer that ended up as the This is not a threat on my part now.

00:47:54.000 It is just a simple fact.

00:47:56.000 The president means what he says, which is they cannot have a bomb.

00:48:01.000 The conversation with the Iranians will be much about two critical points.

00:48:07.000 One, enrichment.

00:48:08.000 As you mentioned, they do not need to enrich past 3.67%.

00:48:14.000 In some circumstances they're at 60%, in other circumstances 20%.

00:48:19.000 That cannot be.

00:48:20.000 And you do not need to run, as they claim, a civil nuclear program where you're enriching past 3.67%.

00:48:28.000 So this is going to be much about verification on the enrichment program and then ultimately verification on weaponization.

00:48:39.000 That includes missiles, the type of missiles that they have stockpiled there, and it includes the trigger for a bomb.

00:48:49.000 Okay, so just to point out here, the original demand by the Trump administration was total denuclearization.

00:48:54.000 That means no fissile material in Iran, because it turns out it's actually quite easy to spin up fissile material from 3.67%, which was the Obama-era limitation, to 60%.

00:49:04.000 The goal would be...

00:49:06.000 No nuclear development in Iran.

00:49:09.000 That was Trump's stated goal.

00:49:10.000 It was President Trump's stated goal.

00:49:11.000 It's been his stated goal for a decade at this point.

00:49:14.000 The kind of notion that Steve Witkoff is going back to the original JCPOA framework is wild.

00:49:21.000 And it's a betrayal of what President Trump, I would assume, wants.

00:49:25.000 Because President Trump doesn't just want any bad deal.

00:49:27.000 He doesn't just want Obama 2.0 and then you slap a Trump label on it and magically it's good.

00:49:31.000 Presumably he wants actual disarmament, like Libyan-style disarmament.

00:49:36.000 As in, like, all of the nuclear material gets shipped out of the country.

00:49:39.000 As in, missile verification.

00:49:40.000 And by the way, as in, if we are going to reopen the world's economy to Iran, they don't get to use that to fund terror regimes all over the region. 0.60

00:49:48.000 That was the problem during the JCPOA.

00:49:50.000 John Kerry openly admitted that all the money we allowed back into Iran was then used for missile development and terror support all over the Middle East, which eventually led to a multi-front war over the course of the last year and a half.

00:50:01.000 So I know what Steve Whitcoff thinks.

00:50:03.000 Again, maybe it's not coming from Whitcoff.

00:50:05.000 Or maybe it is.

00:50:06.000 But I've yet to see the sort of genius negotiating capacity of Steve Witkoff in either Ukraine, Russia, or in the Middle East.

00:50:15.000 If the president wants to get things done, maybe he should actually, you know, let his secretary of state do the work.

00:50:20.000 Maybe he should let his secretary of defense do the work.

00:50:24.000 There are plenty of other people inside the administration who can have these talks.

00:50:28.000 I do not understand for the life of me why real estate developer Steve Witkoff is leading these talks.

00:50:32.000 It makes no sense to me.

00:50:33.000 Pete Heggs at the Secretary of Defense had some very different words over the weekend.

00:50:37.000 President Trump is dead serious on this issue.

00:50:40.000 He's dead serious that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

00:50:44.000 He's said that for 20 years.

00:50:46.000 He's been consistent.

00:50:47.000 That is clear.

00:50:48.000 He's dead serious that he wants it done at the negotiating table.

00:50:52.000 He wants it done peacefully.

00:50:53.000 And that's why he's going straight to these talks.

00:50:55.000 He set that deadline.

00:50:56.000 These were productive talks yesterday.

00:50:58.000 I don't want to get ahead of our skis.

00:51:00.000 Steve Whitcoff does a fantastic job, but it was a good step, and they're going to go at it again on Saturday.

00:51:05.000 But he's also dead serious that if we can't figure this out at the negotiating table, then there are other options to include my department to ensure that Iran never has a nuclear bomb.

00:51:15.000 I mean, that is the person who should be talking about this, not Steve Whitcoff, apparently.

00:51:20.000 I mean, again, maybe Wyckoff changes his tune.

00:51:22.000 Maybe he misspoke on Fox News.

00:51:24.000 I will say that it was Wyckoff's aide who originally proposed a hostage deal so bad that it would have forced Israel to give up literally all the Palestinian murderers that they are currently holding in prison in exchange for one tranche of hostages, leaving all the other hostages to die.

00:51:40.000 So I've yet to see Wyckoff's expertise.

00:51:42.000 Maybe it will display itself sometime in the near future.

00:51:44.000 It would be nice to see that at some point.

00:51:46.000 Meanwhile, in other news, Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania.

00:51:49.000 His house was actually torched.

00:51:50.000 The governor's mansion was torched over the weekend in a really, really scary attack.

00:51:56.000 Josh Shapiro, of course, is a Democrat.

00:51:58.000 He said that he, his wife, their four kids, two dogs, and another family had celebrated the Jewish holiday of Passover at the residence on Saturday.

00:52:04.000 They were awakened by state troopers pounding on their door at 2 a.m. on Sunday.

00:52:08.000 Apparently, a man scaled an iron security fence in the middle of the night, eluded police, broke into the Pennsylvania governor's mansion.

00:52:13.000 He then set fire that left significant damage and forced Shapiro, his family and guests to evacuate the building.

00:52:18.000 The man who was arrested will face charges of attempted murder, terrorism, aggravated arson, and aggravated assault. 0.98

00:52:24.000 He appears to be a crazy person. 0.80

00:52:25.000 I mean, that's probably the best descriptor of him at this point. 0.94

00:52:30.000 It's not clear exactly what his political motivations were.

00:52:34.000 We are entering an era in which political violence is now being widely approved by an enormous number of people, up to and including Taylor Lorenz, who used to report for the Washington Post.

00:52:44.000 Over the weekend, she was asked about her obsession with Luigi Mangione. 0.98

00:52:49.000 Murderer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO who's been treated as a hero by dullards like Taylor Lorenz, immoral dullards like Taylor Lorenz. 0.99

00:52:57.000 Here she was on CNN praising Luigi Mangione for murdering an American for the crime of running a business. 0.97

00:53:06.000 It's hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is the United States of America, as if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stand murderers of all sorts.

00:53:24.000 We give them Netflix shows. 0.97

00:53:27.000 I mean, she is a psychotic. 1.00

00:53:29.000 She is an ambulatory psychotic who works for Mehdi Hasan. 1.00

00:53:32.000 Great hire there, over there. 0.84

00:53:33.000 But it's that sort of attitude.

00:53:35.000 That is going to lead to actual increased violence against a wide variety of figures in the United States. 1.00

00:53:41.000 Stupidity and radicalism, a dangerous combination. 0.99

00:53:43.000 Speaking of which, Bernie Sanders is still touring the country along with AOC. 1.00

00:53:47.000 By the way, I warned you that AOC is rising in the polls.

00:53:50.000 She is.

00:53:50.000 There's a brand new poll out of Democrats showing exactly who is leading the way in the primaries.

00:53:57.000 And right now, she is clocking in like third.

00:54:00.000 Cory Booker had a brief spike to maybe 11% in the latest polling.

00:54:05.000 Kamala still leads, but Kamala's not going to be the nominee.

00:54:07.000 That's basically just a holdover.

00:54:09.000 In third place at 7% is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez because she's touring with Bernie. 0.99

00:54:13.000 So Bernie decided that a great way to stand up for socialism was to show up at Coachella, where people pay $600 to dress like morons. 0.99

00:54:19.000 Here was Bernie. 0.99

00:54:21.000 This country faces some very difficult challenges.

00:54:30.000 And the future of what happens to America is dependent upon your generation. 0.58

00:54:40.000 Now you can't turn away and you can ignore what goes on, but if you do that, you do it in your own peril.

00:54:50.000 We need you to stand up to fight for justice.

00:54:58.000 Oh, the rich socialists at Coachella.

00:55:00.000 They love Bernie.

00:55:02.000 Social justice.

00:55:04.000 And racial justice.

00:55:09.000 Now we've got a president of the United States.

00:55:16.000 I agree. 0.99

00:55:19.000 He thinks that climate change is a ho- I can't even listen to this schmuck anymore. 0.99

00:55:25.000 It's unbelievable. 0.90

00:55:26.000 And this is why it's very important for the Trump administration to succeed in its agenda and not be bogged down by distractions because what's coming around the corner is an AOC truck.

00:55:34.000 I'm just warning you right now.

00:55:35.000 That's the way this goes.

00:55:36.000 If the Trump administration fails in its actual agenda, what comes around the corner is a left-wing populism led by whomever Bernie taps on the shoulder.

00:55:43.000 Speaking of Coachella, my producers, because this is their job, they have now decided to torture me with some of the outfits from Coachella.

00:55:52.000 Again, remember, these are the proletariat, the proles, that Bernie is saying need to rise up and destroy the bourgeois.

00:56:01.000 So, some of these outfits at Coachella.

00:56:04.000 By the way, Bernie was introducing a singer named Claro.

00:56:09.000 I promise you that Bernie has the same idea who Claro is that I do, meaning none.

00:56:14.000 But he was introducing Claro, so that happened.

00:56:18.000 Which is great.

00:56:19.000 You want your socialist politicians introducing rich pop singers.

00:56:22.000 Here are some of the outfits compiled by my producer. 0.96

00:56:26.000 So Paris Hilton showed up as apparently a hooker. 1.00

00:56:33.000 She was wearing a very Paris Hilton outfit. 0.98

00:56:36.000 It appears to be that she got trapped in some sort of netting.

00:56:40.000 That she was at one of those children's fun zones where you're jumping on a trampoline and she accidentally...

00:56:48.000 She just bounced directly into the netting and then was stuck there for a while.

00:56:53.000 They had to cut her free, but unfortunately, she's still tied up in it. 0.99

00:56:56.000 She also seems to be having some sort of angel wings or something.

00:57:00.000 I don't know.

00:57:00.000 She's got some sort of white thing that she's carrying around.

00:57:03.000 And she's wearing the Hamburglar's mask as well.

00:57:07.000 So that is definitely an outfit from Paris Hilton at Coachella.

00:57:11.000 Dylan Mulvaney showed up.

00:57:12.000 How this man is still famous is beyond me, but here we are.

00:57:16.000 Oh, no.

00:57:17.000 You speak when you're spoken to, ding-a-ling! 1.00

00:57:20.000 It's true, though. 0.82

00:57:21.000 One of your babies was born on Earth.

00:57:23.000 Are you the ruler of this Earth?

00:57:25.000 How did you know?

00:57:26.000 The quality of your talk.

00:57:27.000 Do you love it?

00:57:27.000 I love it.

00:57:29.000 I am here if you need to talk. 0.95

00:57:33.000 That is a performative gay man. 1.00

00:57:35.000 That is. 0.92

00:57:36.000 And Dylan Mulvaney wearing, apparently, a pink teddy, which is great.

00:57:41.000 And then you had James Charles show up.

00:57:45.000 I will admit I do not know who James Charles is, nor did I care until this very moment.

00:57:50.000 Apparently, James Charles is an American YouTuber and makeup artist who is a man who likes to dress up as a woman, I suppose, or dress like a woman.

00:57:58.000 And so he's wearing, apparently, like a J-Lo outfit from 1997.

00:58:04.000 And then posing in front of a white picket fence.

00:58:10.000 Is he supposed to be a...

00:58:12.000 The world's most glam rancher or what?

00:58:14.000 What are we going for here?

00:58:16.000 I can't say I fully understand the look.

00:58:20.000 But then again, I don't understand much of what goes on at Coachella.

00:58:23.000 Julia Fox also showed up.

00:58:26.000 Julia Fox is an actress and a model, apparently. 1.00

00:58:31.000 And she showed up with her ass hanging out. 1.00

00:58:36.000 That's pretty much... 1.00

00:58:37.000 So she was wearing a... 1.00

00:58:40.000 What looks like some sort of...

00:58:42.000 Was it just a lingerie competition or what?

00:58:45.000 What has Coachella become?

00:58:48.000 She's a steampunk... 1.00

00:58:51.000 Again, the hooker, I guess, is the look here. 1.00

00:58:53.000 I didn't realize that just putting your bum out there is now a form of fashion. 0.99

00:58:58.000 If so, then my small children are high fashion. 0.75

00:59:02.000 Because, you know, my nearly two-year-old removes his diaper and runs around the house.

00:59:07.000 So apparently he is high fashion now. 0.95

00:59:08.000 Yeah, there's a bit of an Indiana Jones vibe or steampunk vibe that's going, Indiana Jones hooker? 0.90

00:59:14.000 Okay, maybe. 0.90

00:59:15.000 I could see that. 0.97

00:59:17.000 1890s Victorian, post-Victorian hooker? 0.98

00:59:20.000 Something like that. 0.75

00:59:21.000 These are looks, guys.

00:59:22.000 And what I always love about these kinds of looks is we go, oh my god, this Slade. 0.86

00:59:26.000 Really? Are you going to go down to the store and buy one?

00:59:28.000 And wear that in public today?

00:59:30.000 If so, you will be arrested for indecent exposure, so good luck to you. 1.00

00:59:33.000 Lola Young, another human.

00:59:35.000 I have to be told who these people are.

00:59:37.000 A British singer-songwriter dressed up as Fozzie the Bear.

00:59:41.000 Fozzie the Bear lingerie happening in Ewok.

00:59:44.000 Perverse Ewok is the look here.

00:59:47.000 Now, to be fair, Lola Young's most famous song, I guess, is called Messy, which, I guess, I mean, that fits.

00:59:55.000 Yeah, that fits.

00:59:57.000 So, she rolled out of bed wearing her brown sweatpants here.

01:00:06.000 And then she murdered an Ewok, took his outfit, and it doesn't fit her the same way that it fit the Ewok. 1.00

01:00:14.000 Good stuff there from this human who's no longer a human.

01:00:18.000 And finally, Noah Cyrus.

01:00:21.000 Is Noah Cyrus related to Miley?

01:00:24.000 Sister. Okay.

01:00:25.000 So here is the less famous Cyrus sister.

01:00:30.000 And again, the look here is, what if I wore basically nothing as a dress?

01:00:37.000 So, totally sheer, see-through stuff.

01:00:40.000 Man, did they just not get enough attention as children from their parents or what?

01:00:44.000 Like, what happened here?

01:00:45.000 What was the failure of parenting that led to this sort of stuff from both Miley and then her sister?

01:00:50.000 Or maybe they got too much attention.

01:00:51.000 I don't know what it is.

01:00:52.000 Okay, so, that's Coachella.

01:00:53.000 I'm so glad that, by the way, all these outfits, I'm sure, cost a fortune.

01:00:56.000 So, maybe Bernie should eat those rich people first. 1.00

01:00:58.000 As long as we're going to eat the rich, maybe Bernie should go after those people first. 1.00

01:01:01.000 I feel like that would be a good look for Bernie. 0.96

01:01:03.000 That's an actual populism that I can, at least emotionally, Meanwhile, speaking of very rich people doing very stupid things, Blue Origin sent a rocket to space containing a bunch of semi-famous women. 1.00

01:01:19.000 The semi-famous women were apparently Katy Perry, civil rights activist Amanda Nguyen, ex-NASA engineer Aisha Bao, and film producer Carrie Ann Flynn. 0.98

01:01:34.000 They became the first all-woman crew to visit space.

01:01:39.000 Well, they weren't flying the thing.

01:01:41.000 I mean, like, you think Gayle King and Lauren Sanchez was flying the thing?

01:01:45.000 I don't think that counts as a first all-female crew. 0.92

01:01:48.000 That's like saying that if you have a plane filled with I Love Lucy impersonators, that it's an all-female crew on the plane. 0.80

01:01:55.000 Unless they're flying the plane, I don't think that counts.

01:01:58.000 That's not...

01:01:59.000 What is happening here?

01:02:01.000 Okay, so here was some video of these people flying above Earth for about three minutes.

01:02:05.000 Apparently Katy Perry was singing while this happened.

01:02:10.000 And I guess that we narrowly escaped people attempting to rush for the exits.

01:02:14.000 If I were in space with Katy Perry and she started singing, I might actually just jettison myself into space.

01:02:19.000 It might be a better choice, a better life choice.

01:02:21.000 Here is some video of these people.

01:02:22.000 It's okay.

01:02:26.000 Please win up there.

01:02:27.000 Flynn's behind you.

01:02:29.000 I'm like, a good challenge.

01:02:31.000 There's Katy Perry holding a daisy.

01:02:36.000 Oh, the moon!

01:02:43.000 You guys, I have to tell you, look at the moon!

01:02:47.000 That's amazing.

01:02:49.000 Wow, look at the blue line.

01:02:50.000 Oh my gosh.

01:02:52.000 Oh my goodness.

01:02:52.000 Wow. Oh my gosh.

01:02:54.000 That's our blue moon.

01:02:56.000 Okay. Now listen, very cool.

01:02:58.000 I mean, honestly, like a cool thing. 0.89

01:03:00.000 Also, clown show.

01:03:02.000 So a few things happening at once there.

01:03:04.000 And apparently, she then said, Katy Perry was singing to people, what a wonderful world.

01:03:11.000 And, you know, again, no jokes about people floating off into space.

01:03:14.000 First of all, great premise for a film, right, is that you send all these people to space and then they lose connection with Earth and somebody has to go save them.

01:03:21.000 Presumably, Bruce Willis and a team of all men to go save them.

01:03:25.000 I do love some of the comments.

01:03:27.000 Some of the comments are really funny.

01:03:28.000 So one of the, Gayle King said, quote, anybody criticizing it really doesn't understand what's happening here.

01:03:34.000 We can all speak to the response we're getting from young women, from young girls about what this represents.

01:03:38.000 What does it represent?

01:03:39.000 You didn't fly the thing.

01:03:41.000 I'm sorry, that's not the same thing.

01:03:43.000 That's like you were a passenger with Charles Lindbergh and you were a woman and you're like, I flew across the Atlantic.

01:03:49.000 No, you didn't.

01:03:50.000 Charles Lindbergh flew across the Atlantic.

01:03:52.000 Can we stop with this?

01:03:54.000 Seriously. Apparently, Lauren Sanchez said that it only got her more fired up. 1.00

01:03:59.000 She said, I'd love to have them come to Blue Origin and see the thousands of employees that don't just work here, but they put their heart and soul into this vehicle.

01:04:04.000 I mean, I agree with that, but guess what?

01:04:05.000 That's a lot of men.

01:04:06.000 That is a disproportionately male company. 0.97

01:04:10.000 So, why you have to, like, slather over all of this with wokeness is very silly.

01:04:17.000 Now, there are people who are criticizing these people for paying money to go to space.

01:04:21.000 And all I can say is that...

01:04:23.000 Everything in human life starts as a luxury good and then eventually becomes a common thing for normal humans.

01:04:29.000 The way that you actually spin up a company like Blue Origin to the point where normies can fly to space is first a bunch of people who are really rich pay a lot of money to go to space and then other companies start getting into it and then you have competition and the price goes down.

01:04:40.000 This is true for literally every product you have in your life.

01:04:43.000 Rich people used to be the only people with cell phones and if you had just yelled at them for buying the cell phones you would not have a cell phone today.

01:04:48.000 So I'm not angry at these people for being rich and then buying a flight or being put on a flight.

01:04:52.000 And frankly, that's fine with me.

01:04:54.000 However, I am kind of annoyed at the, like, first females in all-female crew. 1.00

01:04:59.000 Really? What was Gayle King's training to be an astronaut, precisely?

01:05:03.000 Well, guess what, guys?

01:05:04.000 There's even more shows.

01:05:05.000 So apparently SNL went full anti-woke.

01:05:07.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 15, 2025

Trump SMASHES Harvard

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