The Ben Shapiro Show - Trump To ARREST Newsom?! PLUS, Hungary’s Viktor Orban Stops By!

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00:00:02.000 The riots continue in Los Angeles over illegal immigration.

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00:00:40.000 While riots continued last night in Los Angeles, the media couldn't really handle it.

00:00:46.000 But one of the things that is fascinating is the mindset of the people who are doing the rioting.

00:00:50.000 Because it is a conglomeration of all the usual suspects.

00:00:53.000 It is, in fact, organized by some people or sort of professionals.

00:01:00.000 And then you also have people who are simply showing up to take advantage of the chaos and who believe that they can stick together this intersectional coalition as a sort of agglomeration of anger against the entire system.

00:01:12.000 So last night, first of all, people took advantage of the situation or loot stores.

00:01:16.000 This is a time-tested, true phenomenon that happens during pretty much every riot for my entire lifetime is people who take advantage of the fact that some are politically angry.

00:01:26.000 In order to grab a pair of shoes from the local Adidas store.

00:01:28.000 So here's some footage of that last night in Los Angeles.

00:01:37.000 Looks like a bunch of nice folks just protesting illegal immigration by getting a new pair of shoes from Adidas.

00:01:46.000 No cops anywhere inside.

00:01:47.000 You can hear the sirens, but these are just people by the dozens looting an Adidas store.

00:01:53.000 What is the real reason why you're seeing this sort of chaos in the streets of Los Angeles?

00:01:57.000 Well, there was a very brilliant protester, I think, who explained why exactly this is happening.

00:02:03.000 And it's worth playing this protester's statement in full.

00:02:06.000 Because if you want to know what drives this mindset, then you really should take the time to listen to the people who are doing the rioting, who are attempting to attack police officers and ICE agents.

00:02:18.000 Here's one of these protesters, masked, of course, wearing sunglasses so you can't see his face.

00:02:23.000 Here's what he had to say.

00:02:25.000 Everybody has the same enemy from LA to Africa to Palestine to Vietnam. 0.64

00:02:32.000 We all have the same enemy.

00:02:34.000 That's one enemy.

00:02:35.000 And it is not me.

00:02:37.000 And it is not you.

00:02:38.000 And it is not them.

00:02:39.000 We are not the enemies of each other.

00:02:41.000 They are the enemy.

00:02:42.000 That's right.

00:02:43.000 There is only one enemy, and we all have to work together in unison to fight this one enemy.

00:02:49.000 That's right.

00:02:51.000 Capitalism and imperialism, the more we can grow as a people, and the quicker we can get to this revolution and overturn this and have real people leading this country.

00:03:03.000 Okay, you can hear his buddy there pipe in with, who are the enemy?

00:03:06.000 Capitalism, imperialism, Zionism. 0.80

00:03:09.000 All the isms that they don't like.

00:03:11.000 All the isms, like the free market, that actually brought them all of their prosperity so they can waste their time in the middle of a day in Los Angeles yelling at the police, in the camera.

00:03:20.000 And quote-unquote imperialism, which is presumably the reason they are standing on the soil of, you know, America.

00:03:26.000 Because it turns out that the American people were not originally native to American soil.

00:03:32.000 And he says Zionism.

00:03:33.000 What the hell does Zionism? 0.78

00:03:35.000 Meaning there ought to be a Jewish state in Israel.

00:03:37.000 What the hell does that have to do?

00:03:39.000 With illegal immigration riots in Los Angeles.

00:03:42.000 And the answer, of course, is he's right.

00:03:44.000 It is all the same enemy.

00:03:45.000 It is the system.

00:03:46.000 Blame the system for all your problems and rip down the system.

00:03:50.000 And it's not just this particular protester.

00:03:52.000 Perhaps I'd be accused of choosing a poor example.

00:03:54.000 It's other protesters as well.

00:03:56.000 Here's a protester explaining why exactly he's out there.

00:04:00.000 This presumably is a Mexican citizen, illegal immigrant.

00:04:05.000 We don't agree with the term illegal.

00:04:07.000 We're undocumented.

00:04:08.000 We've been here for thousands of years before you guys showed up, screwed up everything.

00:04:14.000 We think we should organize together with the U.S. working class and fight together and create a better system.

00:04:21.000 We're anti-capitalist.

00:04:24.000 We think socialism does work, real socialism, not Venezuela, not Cuba, not any of that crap that they try to sell us in socialism.

00:04:33.000 And we believe it would be a more humane system that will take care of all people's necessities.

00:04:40.000 Thanks for listening.

00:04:42.000 This protester was asked for an example of what that system would look like.

00:04:46.000 He said the first 40 years of the Soviet Union, you know, like the worst period of the Soviet Union, like Lenin and Stalin Soviet Union.

00:04:53.000 And if you're wondering where folks are getting these ideas, why they're out in the streets, well, why don't we ask another protester?

00:05:00.000 About these ideas.

00:05:01.000 And this protester explains, well, she knows the answer to these questions because she, of course, is in college.

00:05:08.000 There are some people dying out there.

00:05:33.000 Imperialism is a person shouting at the cops while a person waves a free Palestine flag in the background.

00:05:37.000 It is, of course, the omni cause, the scavenger omni cause.

00:05:40.000 I have a book coming out in a couple of months titled Lions and Scavengers.

00:05:43.000 It is about these people.

00:05:44.000 It is about people who seek to only tear down the institutions and systems that benefit them, that have created whatever prosperity they have as life's losers.

00:05:54.000 Because the people who are out there protesting right now, who are rioting, Or waving Mexican flags as they drive a motorcycle around a burning Waymo.

00:06:01.000 Those people are not life's winners.

00:06:03.000 Those are not the people who are destined for a long life of success and happiness.

00:06:07.000 Those are deeply unhappy human beings.

00:06:09.000 And some of them, as it turns out, are professional agitators.

00:06:12.000 This is a point that President Trump was making yesterday.

00:06:14.000 He said the people who are causing this are in fact professionals.

00:06:18.000 The people that are causing the problem are professional agitators.

00:06:23.000 They're insurrected.

00:06:24.000 They're bad people.

00:06:25.000 They should be in jail.

00:06:27.000 Okay, now, who is he talking about right there?

00:06:31.000 Hilariously enough, many of the groups that are sponsoring these protests that are now turning into riots or burning cars or some violence against police and ICE agents are unions.

00:06:40.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, unions, which have felt conflicted lately over how to deal with Trump, found an issue this past weekend over which to confront him.

00:06:47.000 Immigration.

00:06:48.000 It came after the head of the state's biggest union was arrested here for allegedly obstructing federal agents from conducting an immigration raid.

00:06:54.000 The union says he was peacefully observing.

00:06:55.000 David Huerta, president of Service Employees International Union California, appeared in court Monday afternoon.

00:07:00.000 He was released on $50,000 bail.

00:07:02.000 Just a half mile away, his union, which represents a swath of working class California, including nurses, janitors, security guards, organized a sprawling protest in downtown's Grand Park.

00:07:11.000 Other unions declared solidarity with the SEIU and with immigrants caught up in the federal rail.

00:07:16.000 Now, this is sort of fascinating because if you just think about this on a logical level, why would unions be in favor of illegal immigration?

00:07:23.000 Illegal immigration? 0.80

00:07:24.000 Undercuts the labor base.

00:07:26.000 Illegal immigrants, because they are not legal, are very often paid less than market wages, or certainly less than union-negotiated wages.

00:07:34.000 So why are unions standing up for illegal immigration?

00:07:37.000 It doesn't make any sense.

00:07:38.000 They're doing so at the expense of their own membership, presumably.

00:07:42.000 What is the driving factor behind all of this?

00:07:45.000 And again, if you go all the way back to Cesar Chavez, union organizer, he was very much against illegal immigration for specifically this reason.

00:07:51.000 He felt that importing Millions of people from south of the border was going to undercut the labor base in the United States.

00:07:58.000 So what exactly is driving all of this?

00:08:00.000 Well, the answer is that immigrants made up one-third of California's labor force in 2023, according to the census's data, compared with 18% for the overall United States.

00:08:11.000 Some of the union's biggest organizing wins recently have been in service workplaces where undocumented immigrants often make up an outside share because, according to Steve Smith, a spokesperson for the AFL-CIO, quote, Whether you're documented or not, you can be a member of a union.

00:08:24.000 And those we represent, we vow to protect.

00:08:27.000 So what's actually happening?

00:08:29.000 What's actually happening is that illegal immigrants are joining unions. 0.72

00:08:34.000 Private sector union membership has been on the secular decline for decades in the United States because wages have not in fact stagnated.

00:08:41.000 Wages have risen on a real world purchasing power parity basis.

00:08:47.000 So what exactly?

00:08:49.000 Is the union going to do?

00:08:50.000 Well, what the union's been doing is going into workplaces where people are being paid below the union wage, and they are organizing illegal immigrants. 0.82

00:08:58.000 That is the reason why they are now in favor, apparently, of widespread illegal immigration in the United States.

00:09:05.000 Alfred Munoz, an Amazon delivery driver, said he joined the protest Monday because Huerta and the SEIU have supported the Teamsters' efforts to organize his workplace.

00:09:13.000 If they can support us, why can't we support them?

00:09:15.000 Munoz said.

00:09:17.000 I mean, that's an amazing thing.

00:09:20.000 As the Wall Street Journal acknowledges, during much of the 20th century, union leaders saw immigrants as a threat to their members' livelihoods.

00:09:25.000 But as declining manufacturing thinned their traditional base, union organizers looked to other sectors for new members.

00:09:31.000 L.A. was one of the first places where the shift took hold, starting with an SEIU campaign to organize janitorial workplaces in the 1980s.

00:09:39.000 So some of this is, in fact, being joined by organized efforts.

00:09:45.000 Here is the National Education Association president, Rebecca Pringle, who gets paid $500,000 a year, mobilizing the protesters yesterday.

00:09:54.000 We the people!

00:10:02.000 Yeah!

00:10:02.000 All of us!

00:10:05.000 All of us have that right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of justice!

00:10:11.000 Yes!

00:10:11.000 Thank you.

00:10:17.000 That is very loud.

00:10:18.000 But second of all, why is the head of the National Education Association standing for illegal immigration?

00:10:26.000 Are illegal immigrants allowed to teach your children in public schools?

00:10:29.000 Last I checked, the answer is no.

00:10:32.000 Why is she out there screaming about this? 1.00

00:10:34.000 And the answer, again, is that rigging the system on behalf of people who could not succeed in a free marketplace or a free marketplace of ideas.

00:10:43.000 Shouting about democracy in favor of people who literally cannot vote in the democracy because they are not here legally is crazy.

00:10:50.000 But that is the coalition of forces that have aligned behind mass illegal immigration in the United States.

00:10:56.000 This is why the left can't let go of it, because driving the left's efforts forwards is this same coalition.

00:11:01.000 They cannot abandon that coalition for love or money.

00:11:05.000 So, what touched all of this off?

00:11:07.000 The answer is the basic enforcement of immigration law.

00:11:10.000 So the media are trying to Of course, that, of course, is no shock.

00:11:16.000 They're trying to claim that the Trump administration did something horribly wrong here, deeply and horribly wrong.

00:11:22.000 The Wall Street Journal has a long piece about the White House marching orders that sparked the LA migrant crackdown.

00:11:28.000 Well, I mean, what actually sparked the riots and the protests would be people objecting to the enforcement of law that has been ignored for as long as I have been alive.

00:11:37.000 We'll get to more of the demonstrations.

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00:13:43.000 So Stephen Miller, who's the architect of the White House's immigration policy, Stephen and I grew up about the same time in the same city.

00:13:51.000 He grew up in Santa Monica.

00:13:52.000 He went to Santa Monica High.

00:13:53.000 I grew up in Los Angeles at the same exact time.

00:13:55.000 And so his experience was the same as everybody else living in Southern California, which was illegal immigrants are actually not particularly hard to find in the state of California.

00:14:03.000 If you drive to your local Home Depot, you will find many illegal immigrants who are seeking work.

00:14:07.000 Now, again, that is not a lack of sympathy for the people who cross the border and try to get work at a Home Depot.

00:14:13.000 If I lived south of the border, And I didn't care about American law.

00:14:16.000 I assume I would do the same because America is a land of opportunity, a wonderful place, a great economy, and you're probably better off there than you are in the absolute bleephole that is Mexico as run by the drug cartels.

00:14:25.000 I get it.

00:14:26.000 That, however, does not mean that the American people have to acquiesce to the mass migration of millions of people illegally across the southern border.

00:14:35.000 So apparently, in late May, Stephen Miller addressed a meeting at the headquarters of ICE.

00:14:39.000 The message was clear.

00:14:40.000 The president, who promised to deport millions of immigrants living in the country illegally, wasn't pleased.

00:14:44.000 The agency had better step it up.

00:14:46.000 Gang members and violent criminals weren't the sole target of deportations.

00:14:49.000 Federal agents needed to just go out there and arrest illegal aliens, Miller told top ICE officials.

00:14:54.000 Agents did not need to develop target lists of immigrants suspected of being in the U.S. illegally a longstanding practice, said Miller.

00:14:59.000 Instead, he directed them to target Home Depot, where day laborers typically gather for hire, or 7-Eleven convenience stores.

00:15:04.000 Miller bet that he and a handful of agents could go out on the streets of Washington, D.C. and arrest 30 people right away.

00:15:09.000 And he, by the way, happens to be right about that.

00:15:11.000 It is not difficult to find illegal immigrants in major cities around the country congregating in public places.

00:15:17.000 Now, people on the left are very upset about this, but essentially what Miller is saying is that when it comes to illegal immigration, broken windows theory applies.

00:15:24.000 This is a theory by James Q. Wilson, the sociologist, who found that if you go into a neighborhood, a sort of low-income neighborhood, and you start breaking car windows, and those car windows never get fixed, pretty soon the entire neighborhood starts to fall apart because people see the area.

00:15:40.000 As free for criminality.

00:15:42.000 And that's true for illegal immigration also.

00:15:44.000 You may have sympathy for the worker who's down at Home Depot.

00:15:47.000 That does not actually change the math on whether a society should allow millions of people into the country. 0.94

00:15:52.000 And if you allow that to go, then pretty much anything can go.

00:15:55.000 That is the point that Miller is making.

00:15:57.000 And that's also the point that Tom Homan is making.

00:16:00.000 He says that we're being obstructed from going into, for example, jails by state and local authorities.

00:16:05.000 So if we can't arrest illegal immigrants in jail, then we'll arrest them in the community. 1.00

00:16:10.000 I've said for a month, Sanctuary Cities, you don't want us to arrest these bad guys that you just listed about?

00:16:16.000 We could arrest them in safety and security of the county jail, but they won't let us into jail.

00:16:20.000 They release them into the community, which means we've got to send a whole bunch of teams in the community to find this dangerous person that don't want to be found.

00:16:26.000 So Sanctuary Cities are going to get exactly what they don't want: more officers in the communities and more officers in the worksite.

00:16:33.000 We can't arrest them in jail or arrest them in the community.

00:16:38.000 That, of course, I don't understand why any of that is particularly controversial.

00:16:42.000 Nonetheless, this has led to those widespread riots and protests and all the rest of this.

00:16:47.000 So President Trump has now activated the National Guard.

00:16:50.000 He's deploying an additional 2,000 National Guard troops.

00:16:53.000 He put out a statement, quote, He made a great decision in sending the National Guard to deal with the violent instigated riots in California.

00:16:59.000 If we had not done so, Los Angeles would have been completely obliterated.

00:17:02.000 Very incompetent Governor Gavin Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass should be saying, Thank you, President Trump.

00:17:06.000 You are so wonderful.

00:17:07.000 We would be nothing without you, sir.

00:17:09.000 Instead, they choose to lie to the people of California and America by saying we weren't needed and that these are peaceful protests.

00:17:14.000 Just one look at the pictures and videos of the violence and destruction tells you all you have to know.

00:17:18.000 We will always do what is needed to keep our citizens safe so we can together make America great again.

00:17:24.000 Gavin Newsom, for his part, criticized President Trump for sending 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. He said, the first, 2000, given no food or water, only approximately 300 are deployed.

00:17:34.000 The rest are sitting unused in federal buildings without orders.

00:17:37.000 This isn't about public safety.

00:17:38.000 It's about stroking a dangerous president's ego.

00:17:42.000 What can the National Guard actually do?

00:17:44.000 Well, I mean, the National Guard is not tasked with actually going in and arresting people for illegal immigration, for example.

00:17:51.000 What they actually are doing is protecting federal buildings and providing support for the people on the ground.

00:18:00.000 Presumably.

00:18:00.000 Very similar to what the federal forces were doing in Portland, Oregon during the Antifa riots of 2020.

00:18:07.000 Again, the president has not yet invoked the Insurrection Act, which would allow for the effectuation of domestic civilian law by the military.

00:18:17.000 But that is not a thing that he's doing right now.

00:18:20.000 So, again, essentially, these people are there in a sort of support capacity.

00:18:26.000 700 Marines are also going to be sent to assist in Los Angeles, expected to arrive over the course of today, according to a U.S. official.

00:18:35.000 President Trump said, I think we have a very well under control.

00:18:37.000 I think it would have been a very bad situation.

00:18:39.000 It was heading in the wrong direction, but now it's headed in the right direction.

00:18:43.000 So the LAPD chief, for his part, Jim McDonnell, he said the arrival of federal military forces in L.A. absent clear coordination presents a significant logistical and operational challenge for those of us charged with safeguarding the city.

00:18:55.000 The LAPD has decades of experience managing large-scale public demonstrations.

00:18:58.000 We remain confident in our ability to do so professionally and effectively.

00:19:02.000 Here should open and continuous lines of communication between all agencies to prevent confusion, avoid escalation, and ensure a coordinated, lawful, and orderly response during this critical time.

00:19:11.000 Now, again, I would take that a little more seriously if I hadn't lived in Los Angeles in 2020 when LAPD was basically told to stand down and allow rioters to burn down large swaths of the city.

00:19:22.000 Burn cop cars in a line on Melrose Avenue.

00:19:26.000 Hit every footlocker within a 30-mile radius.

00:19:29.000 And California's priorities are just screwed up.

00:19:32.000 In the end, they are just screwed up.

00:19:34.000 Here's Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass watching her city burn for the second time in the course of about a year here.

00:19:41.000 Here she was saying, we stand with the illegal immigrants.

00:19:44.000 I want the people of Los Angeles to know that we stand with all Angelenos, no matter where you were born.

00:19:52.000 The First Amendment right gives you the ability, again, to protest peacefully.

00:19:58.000 Okay, so there she is saying she stands with illegal immigrants.

00:20:03.000 Well, I mean, that would be the problem right there.

00:20:05.000 You fostered a massive violation of federal law in the city of Los Angeles.

00:20:09.000 Now the federal government is doing its job.

00:20:10.000 And they're the problem?

00:20:13.000 No.

00:20:13.000 That is not the case.

00:20:15.000 Local and state authorities have been the problem for a very long time in California.

00:20:18.000 But here is LA Mayor Karen Bass saying, if it weren't for those darn federal authorities enforcing federal law, none of this would have happened.

00:20:26.000 I just have to say that if you dial back time and go to Friday, if immigration raids had not happened here, we would not have the disorder that went on last night.

00:20:37.000 I will tell you that it is peaceful now, but we do not know where and when the next raids will be.

00:20:44.000 That is the concern, because people in the city have a rapid response network.

00:20:49.000 If they see ICE, they go out and they protest.

00:20:53.000 And so it's just a recipe for panic.

00:21:00.000 Well, you could have effectuated or helped to effectuate federal law.

00:21:09.000 You could have done that.

00:21:09.000 There are many cities across the country that do.

00:21:11.000 But you guys have resisted that for literally decades.

00:21:15.000 Again, I used to live in Los Angeles.

00:21:16.000 I grew up in Los Angeles.

00:21:17.000 When I grew up in Los Angeles, it was a very nice place to grow up.

00:21:21.000 It was.

00:21:22.000 It was a beautiful city.

00:21:24.000 There were real problems in the city, but they seemed to be on the road to being fixed.

00:21:28.000 And then circa 2010, 2011, 2012, essentially the Democrats running the state decided they were no longer going to enforce law under any circumstances.

00:21:37.000 You had prisoners being released down to the streets by Governor Jerry Brown, and then you had the continuous California effort to import illegal immigrants at scale and refuse to enforce federal law.

00:21:48.000 By the time we left, California had become increasingly lawless, Los Angeles in particular.

00:21:52.000 Had become a domain of the lawless.

00:21:54.000 The LAPD wildly outnumbered, barred from actually doing their jobs.

00:21:58.000 But according to the LA mayor, everything was hunky-dory until Friday, which is weird because, again, there's a reason I left.

00:22:03.000 There's a reason that my parents left.

00:22:05.000 There's a reason that our company left Los Angeles.

00:22:08.000 This was not a coincidence.

00:22:10.000 She's so out of touch.

00:22:11.000 She says that these protests, they're just protests that got a little unruly, you know, unruly.

00:22:16.000 Like a small child in preschool, unruly.

00:22:20.000 The night before this action was taken, there was a protest that got a little unruly late at night.

00:22:27.000 It was 100 people.

00:22:29.000 27 people were arrested.

00:22:31.000 There wasn't a reason for this.

00:22:33.000 That is the concern.

00:22:37.000 Oh, you know, everything was fine.

00:22:39.000 So she was asked about the idea that she was out of touch.

00:22:42.000 I mean, at least for this one, she wasn't in Ghana.

00:22:44.000 I mean, I guess you can say that for LA Mayor Karen Bass. 0.87

00:22:46.000 Remember, this lady.

00:22:47.000 was actively considered as a possible VP candidate with Joe Biden in 2020.

00:22:51.000 That is the caliber of people the Democratic Party is producing now.

00:22:54.000 Here is LA Mayor Karen Bass being shown a poll from CBS News from just a week ago showing that 54% of Americans approve of President Trump's program to deport illegal immigrants.

00:23:06.000 Only 46% disapprove.

00:23:08.000 She's asked if she's out of touch.

00:23:09.000 She's like, no, me out of touch?

00:23:11.000 How do you do, fellow kids?

00:23:14.000 Well, I think if you did the polling in Los Angeles, I'm not sure it would be that way, considering we are a city of immigrants.

00:23:22.000 And then people might approve that policy, but do people really approve the federal government coming in and seizing power from a state and from a city?

00:23:32.000 So I drill down a little further on that poll, because I do not believe that Americans support the federal intervention in a city takeover or a state takeover.

00:23:44.000 I mean, I have a question.

00:23:45.000 How is that seizing power from the city?

00:23:46.000 It is not seizing power from the city to enforce federal law.

00:23:48.000 That's literally the job of the federal government is to enforce federal law.

00:23:52.000 But again, it's not just LA Mayor Karen Bass.

00:23:54.000 It is also LA County Supervisor Janice Hahn.

00:23:56.000 The Hahn family has been a mainstay in LA politics, again, for as long as I've been alive.

00:24:02.000 Jim Hahn was an LA County Supervisor as well.

00:24:05.000 Here she was saying she blames Trump, of all people, for all of this.

00:24:09.000 I totally blame the Trump administration for provoking this.

00:24:14.000 The way they have come in indiscriminately going after hard-working residents of L.A. County, many of them in the cities that I represent on the County Board of Supervisors, is inhumane.

00:24:31.000 Ah, it's inhumane.

00:24:33.000 Okay, but it's not just Janice Hahn and LA Mayor Karen Bass. 0.93

00:24:36.000 It is also I say pro-riot because she literally justified the L.A. riots as the L.A. uprising for years.

00:24:44.000 She, of course, is pretty confrontational language, as you will recall, during the Black Lives Matter riots as well.

00:24:49.000 But she's saying everything is fine.

00:24:50.000 Well, I was surprised at the way that the police chief was describing all of this.

00:24:59.000 There have been no violence where...

00:25:02.000 Anybody that was protesting hit anybody, shot anybody, threatened anybody.

00:25:07.000 Nothing has happened.

00:25:11.000 Nothing has happened, according to Maxine Waters.

00:25:13.000 We should probably believe her.

00:25:15.000 Well, folks, in a moment we will get to the prospective arrest of the California governor first.

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00:27:19.000 Well, the person who's trying to make the most political hay out of the situation is, of course, failed California Governor Gavin Newsom.

00:27:25.000 So Californians, some of them tried to recall him just a couple of years ago.

00:27:29.000 It failed because California has apparently Chosen the form of its destructor, and it is this weirdly Botoxed Ken doll of a governor.

00:27:40.000 Here he was yesterday doing the, where's your decency, Mr. President?

00:27:43.000 Again, this line is getting real old.

00:27:46.000 The have you no decency line that goes all the way back to the McCarthy era.

00:27:49.000 Have you no decency?

00:27:50.000 Have you no decency, governor?

00:27:51.000 You've now presided over the burning down of half your state, the uptick in criminality, the lower economic growth, the higher taxes.

00:27:58.000 And now...

00:28:06.000 I mean, where's your decency, Mr. President?

00:28:09.000 Stop.

00:28:10.000 Rescind this order.

00:28:11.000 It's illegal and unconstitutional.

00:28:12.000 And I said it, I'll say it again, it's immoral.

00:28:15.000 You're creating the conditions that you claim you're solving, and you're not.

00:28:19.000 And you're putting real people's lives at risk.

00:28:21.000 This is a serious moment, and it requires serious leadership.

00:28:25.000 And it's time for you to be a commander-in-chief of the United States of America.

00:28:31.000 He's so awful.

00:28:33.000 Gavin Newsom's so awful.

00:28:34.000 My favorite thing about this clip, for those who can't see it, is that he breaks the fourth wall.

00:28:37.000 So typically when you're doing an interview, you speak to the person who's interviewing you.

00:28:40.000 You don't kind of swivel into camera and start speaking directly into camera.

00:28:44.000 That's what he does during an interview.

00:28:46.000 He's speaking with the reporter and then he just swivels right into the camera and starts speaking with deliberate hand motions into the camera because that is a dude who desperately wants to be president of the United States.

00:28:56.000 And he's putting his focus where it ought to be.

00:28:58.000 He says that the state of California is suing.

00:29:01.000 President Trump.

00:29:02.000 Yes, that's right.

00:29:03.000 It's time for California to sue the president for enforcing federal law and providing further National Guard forces in a support role.

00:29:10.000 Quote, New, we are suing Donald Trump.

00:29:12.000 This is a manufactured crisis.

00:29:13.000 He is creating fear and terror to take over a state militia and violate the U.S. Constitution.

00:29:18.000 That's not a violation of the U.S. Constitution.

00:29:20.000 He has the power to do what he is doing.

00:29:23.000 The illegal order he signed could allow him to send the military into any state he wishes.

00:29:26.000 Well, I mean...

00:29:32.000 There would presumably have to be some basis for him to invoke Title 10. Every governor, red or blue, should reject this outrageous overreach.

00:29:40.000 There's a lot of hyperbole out there.

00:29:41.000 This isn't that.

00:29:42.000 This is an unmistakable step toward authoritarianism that threatens the foundation of our republic.

00:29:47.000 We cannot let it stand.

00:29:48.000 Yes, nothing says authoritarianism quite like activating the National Guard to shut down people who are burning Waymo cars while flying Mexican flags on top of them.

00:29:57.000 Clearly, that's a threat to democracy.

00:29:59.000 What we really need is a more lawless country.

00:30:02.000 Well, Tom Homan, the border czar, he said, listen, Gavin Newsom hasn't violated the law yet, but if Gavin Newsom actually violates the law by, say, facilitating illegal immigration, then sure, we'll arrest him.

00:30:13.000 They got the right to protest, but they can't cross that line.

00:30:16.000 They can't impede our enforcement efforts.

00:30:18.000 They can't put hands on our officers.

00:30:20.000 They can't annoyingly harbor and conceal illegal aliens from us.

00:30:23.000 I said, "So if they cross that line, "they're gonna be prosecuted." And the question was, "Well, how about Mayor Bass "and Governor Newsom, what if they cross that line?" I says, "They'll be prosecuted too." Haven't they said for the last four years, no one's above the law?

00:30:35.000 They cross the line, we'll seek prosecution.

00:30:40.000 Okay, well, Gavin Newsom was very upset about this.

00:30:43.000 First of all, President Trump, never one to miss an opportunity to troll, decided to troll Gavin Newsom.

00:30:48.000 So he said, yeah, sure.

00:30:49.000 I mean, if Tom wants to arrest Newsom, I'm all for it.

00:30:51.000 Let's arrest him.

00:30:53.000 Gavin Newsom is not being arrested.

00:30:54.000 Okay?

00:30:55.000 That's silly.

00:30:56.000 He's not going to be arrested.

00:30:57.000 That's ridiculous.

00:30:59.000 This is all trollery.

00:31:00.000 Gavin Newsom is trolling Trump.

00:31:01.000 Trump is trolling Newsom.

00:31:03.000 Holman is trolling Newsom.

00:31:05.000 All of this could have been avoided if, you know, for decades we'd actually enforced our immigration laws.

00:31:09.000 I know.

00:31:10.000 What a crazy idea.

00:31:11.000 Here's President Trump saying, well, you know, if Tom wants to arrest him, maybe we should.

00:31:14.000 Why not?

00:31:16.000 Kevin Newsom is.

00:31:23.000 Should he do it?

00:31:24.000 I would do it if I were Tom.

00:31:26.000 I think it's great.

00:31:28.000 Gavin likes the publicity, but I think it would be great.

00:31:30.000 He's done a terrible job.

00:31:32.000 Look, I like Gavin Newsom.

00:31:35.000 He's a nice guy, but he's grossly incompetent.

00:31:38.000 Everybody knows.

00:31:38.000 All you have to do is look at the little railroad he's building.

00:31:41.000 It's about 100 times over budget.

00:31:44.000 We're putting a flagpole over there.

00:31:46.000 Under budget.

00:31:47.000 I always do under budget.

00:31:51.000 Okay, then Trump was asked at a later press conference, why would you arrest him?

00:31:55.000 Like, on what grounds?

00:31:56.000 And troll master gonna troll?

00:32:00.000 I think his primary crime is running for governor because he's done such a bad job.

00:32:06.000 What he's done to that state is like what Biden did to this country.

00:32:10.000 And that's pretty bad.

00:32:15.000 Okay, Gavin Newsom, for his part, responded by saying, fine, arrest me, let's go!

00:32:19.000 I'm like the Rosa Parks of middle-aged white people. 0.59

00:32:23.000 Here we go.

00:32:25.000 The fear.

00:32:26.000 The horror.

00:32:27.000 The hell is this guy?

00:32:29.000 Come after me.

00:32:30.000 Arrest me.

00:32:30.000 Let's just get it over with.

00:32:31.000 Tough guy.

00:32:32.000 You know?

00:32:33.000 I don't give a damn.

00:32:36.000 He is the worst actor.

00:32:38.000 Truly a horrifyingly bad actor.

00:32:41.000 I mean, my dude.

00:32:43.000 You make Tommy Wiseau look like Laurence Olivier.

00:32:46.000 That is amazing stuff right there.

00:32:48.000 I'm sorry, I need to play it again because I'm just enjoying the acting too much.

00:32:51.000 I like it.

00:32:52.000 It's John Lovitz.

00:32:53.000 Acting!

00:32:54.000 He's an actor!

00:32:55.000 Here we go.

00:32:56.000 Acting, Gavin.

00:32:57.000 We need a motion.

00:32:58.000 We need a motion with hand motions.

00:33:02.000 Dramatic reading of your imminent arrest.

00:33:05.000 Go, Gavin, go.

00:33:07.000 The fear.

00:33:09.000 The horror.

00:33:10.000 The hell is this guy?

00:33:11.000 Come after me.

00:33:12.000 Arrest me.

00:33:13.000 Let's just get it over with.

00:33:14.000 Who the hell is this guy?

00:33:16.000 You know?

00:33:16.000 I don't give a damn.

00:33:19.000 I don't give a damn.

00:33:20.000 Bring it! 0.98

00:33:21.000 Bring it on, Mr. President!

00:33:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:33:27.000 Everything is a sick joke.

00:33:28.000 Everything.

00:33:28.000 That guy's the governor of the largest and most populous state in the United States.

00:33:32.000 Like, really?

00:33:33.000 Wow, wow, wow.

00:33:35.000 Gavin Newsom.

00:33:36.000 What a hero.

00:33:37.000 What a hero he is.

00:33:39.000 Stephen Miller points out on X, quote, California is the largest sanctuary state in America.

00:33:42.000 What does that mean?

00:33:43.000 The governor has ordered every single police department and sheriff's office to shield criminal illegal aliens from removal.

00:33:48.000 In a normal state, when an illegal alien is arrested, they're run through a federal database.

00:33:52.000 If it hits that they are illegal or deportable, ICE asks the police or sheriffs to turn them over to ICE when their incarceration is complete.

00:33:58.000 In California, when ICE lodges this detainer, it is refused, and the criminal alien is released back onto the street to endlessly reoffend.

00:34:05.000 California has more criminal aliens than any other state in the United States by far, and each and every one of them can victimize Americans freely knowing they'll never be turned over by the authorities to ICE.

00:34:14.000 He is not wrong about that.

00:34:15.000 He is not wrong about that.

00:34:18.000 But again, for the Democrats, this is all about the conflict with Trump.

00:34:23.000 Never enforce immigration law.

00:34:25.000 And when they say that it's authoritarian, again, for the federal...

00:34:34.000 They're saying it's authoritarian for Trump to just enforce the law, to just enforce it.

00:34:39.000 That itself is authoritarian.

00:34:41.000 It's amazing.

00:34:42.000 Now, some Democrats are smart enough to realize that this is a losing political battle, that actually, it turns out, Americans are not fond of what is going on in Los Angeles and what has been going on for decades.

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00:36:45.000 So some Democrats are realizing that this might all be a mistake.

00:36:48.000 Chris Murphy, Democrat from Connecticut, who for some reason has presidential aspirations.

00:36:52.000 You can't explain to me why.

00:36:54.000 He says, you know what?

00:36:55.000 We need to stop focusing on this immigration thing now.

00:36:57.000 This is a loser.

00:36:57.000 He is right.

00:36:58.000 That is correct.

00:36:59.000 Let's focus on the big, beautiful bill.

00:37:01.000 Okay, good luck, my dude.

00:37:03.000 And so I do also think he's probably doing everything he can to try to get the entire political world to be talking about anything other than a piece of legislation that's going to fundamentally change this country.

00:37:15.000 So, yeah, we have to point out the danger of what he's proposing to do in Los Angeles while also keeping our eye on the ball, which is a bill that's going to transform our economy and ruin a lot of lives.

00:37:30.000 Okay, so yeah, he's going to try and get away from the immigration talk because he understands it's a loser.

00:37:35.000 Perhaps the only intelligent Democrat in the United States Senate at this point is John Fetterman, you know, the one who had a stroke.

00:37:40.000 He tweeted out, quote, I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration.

00:37:44.000 But this is not that.

00:37:45.000 This is anarchy and true chaos.

00:37:47.000 My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement.

00:37:54.000 Why is that so hard for any of the Democrats?

00:37:56.000 Why?

00:37:57.000 Why?

00:37:58.000 I mean, honestly, if Gavin Newsom wanted to pans President Trump, all he would have to do is help them effectuate the federal immigration law.

00:38:04.000 That's all you'd have to do is say, listen, we were happy to help.

00:38:07.000 President Trump activated the National Guard for no reason because we were happy to help.

00:38:10.000 But he's not doing that because he's not happy to help.

00:38:13.000 Meanwhile, the media doing their part as the Democratic apparatchiks that they are.

00:38:18.000 Jon Stewart was out there making the claim that the ICE raids lit the fuse because everything's been hunky-dory in L.A. until now.

00:38:27.000 So now, predictably, these non-targeted, much broader deportation efforts in cities that feel very connected to the immigrant population is a tinderbox.

00:38:36.000 And Trump happily lights the fuse.

00:38:39.000 Peaceful protesters mixed with anarchists and vandals pushed back by horseback and tear gas.

00:38:45.000 Nothing could survive the onslaught except the attitude of teenagers.

00:38:52.000 F*** you, Dad!

00:38:54.000 I mean, c***!

00:38:59.000 From the worst of the worst to a f***ing Home Depot?

00:39:04.000 Geez, ICE, if you need assistance in arresting people, you know, those guys are looking for work, so.

00:39:10.000 It's an explosive situation on the cusp of federalism versus states' rights, border control versus due process, terrifyingly militarized sweeps versus hardworking people in local communities, the United States Marines versus the Postmates guy who brought you an egg sandwich.

00:39:30.000 Okay, so again, you don't understand.

00:39:33.000 Illegal immigrants are all wonderful people.

00:39:35.000 Here's the thing.

00:39:35.000 How would we know?

00:39:36.000 That is Stephen Miller's point.

00:39:38.000 Because when people are arrested in California, he is correct.

00:39:41.000 ICE does not work with the local authorities in California because of Gavin Newsom.

00:39:45.000 Because of Gavin Newsom.

00:39:47.000 Put aside all of the drawn public services represented by mass illegal immigration. 0.98

00:39:51.000 Put aside the cultural problems, the cultural clashes that have occurred thanks to the importation of large numbers, millions of migrants from cultures. 1.00

00:39:59.000 That aren't necessarily in consonant with sort of Anglo-American values traditionally.

00:40:04.000 And again, people can obviously join into Anglo-American values, but if you're coming from a culture that generally doesn't like those things and doesn't care about those things, that's going to have some cultural impact, obviously.

00:40:14.000 This is the part where everybody in the media goes, he said Anglo-American.

00:40:16.000 Yeah, Barack Obama used that term too.

00:40:17.000 Go look it up.

00:40:18.000 Anyway, the bizarre notion that somehow the federal government does not have the capacity to enforce the law.

00:40:25.000 Imagine if.

00:40:34.000 They simply were going to obstruct it.

00:40:37.000 Not even not cooperate, obstruct it.

00:40:39.000 How do you think Democrats would treat that?

00:40:41.000 Well, badly.

00:40:43.000 The View, man, the gathering of IQs over at The View is always astonishing.

00:40:48.000 They're over there saying it's going to be a civil war.

00:40:50.000 Really?

00:40:50.000 Civil war between whom and whom?

00:40:53.000 I always love when people talk about civil war in the United States.

00:40:55.000 See, in order for there to be a civil war, there have to be two armed sides willing to kill each other.

00:41:00.000 I would love to know who is on the other side of the Marines National Guard and cops in L.A. capable of waging a civil war rather than looting the local Apple store.

00:41:09.000 And there's a very big, stark demarcation between military troops and military.

00:41:21.000 And you are an army turned inside to police its citizens can cause chaos, fascism, and fascism.

00:41:30.000 And so I think that's the way.

00:41:31.000 Civil war.

00:41:31.000 And civil war.

00:41:32.000 I think that's the way we need to look at it.

00:41:36.000 We need to look at it as chaos, fascism, and civil war.

00:41:39.000 I love that the Democrats tried to shut down the country for full-on two years.

00:41:43.000 They spurred $2 billion in property damage in 2020.

00:41:47.000 And that everybody who refused to kneel or put a black square on their Twitter profile was run out of public life. 0.82

00:41:52.000 And this is the threat, is that National Guard officers have been activated to support federal law enforcement.

00:41:59.000 Perhaps the dumbest take came courtesy of MSNBC's Eddie Glaude, who compared ICE to slave catchers.

00:42:05.000 That's really weird.

00:42:06.000 And I'll tell you why that's really weird.

00:42:07.000 Because one thing about the slaves is that escaped slaves were attempting to escape from plantations where they had been brought against their will.

00:42:18.000 They were trying to leave.

00:42:20.000 The slaves did not come to the United States voluntarily.

00:42:30.000 So that's a pretty significant difference.

00:42:35.000 Also, we are talking about sending these people back to their country of origin. 0.98

00:42:38.000 We're not talking about enslaving them.

00:42:40.000 We're talking about arresting people who committed acts of criminality by crossing our border illegally.

00:42:44.000 But according to Eddie Glad, it's the same as slave catchers.

00:42:47.000 This reminds me historically of the, it's not a clear analogy, but when the nation, when these political factions divided the nation between slaveholders and slave catchers.

00:43:00.000 When they made everybody with the fugitive slave law, all of us had to, if someone escaped, all of us had to return that particular piece of property to these folk.

00:43:09.000 With ICE running around L.A., forcing people to make choices.

00:43:12.000 Will they protect their friends, their neighbors, their family members?

00:43:16.000 Will they take, will they confront these folk?

00:43:19.000 And they're terrorized.

00:43:20.000 You see people crying.

00:43:21.000 You see babies crying.

00:43:23.000 And these people come in here and do this.

00:43:27.000 Oh, goodness gracious.

00:43:28.000 Okay, I mean, if Democrats want to take the 20 side of an 80-20 issue here, then I suppose they can.

00:43:33.000 Or more accurately, the 45% of a 55-45 issue, I suppose that they can.

00:43:38.000 Meanwhile, some members of the media were having their best life.

00:43:41.000 They're really enjoying themselves.

00:43:42.000 They want the attention.

00:43:43.000 That includes this CNN reporter who had his best day ever.

00:43:47.000 This is Jason Carroll narrating an encounter with the police during a live hit where he was briefly detained, which meant that.

00:43:57.000 Yes, it turns out.

00:43:58.000 Bad people sometimes pretend they're members of the press in order to get away with things.

00:44:02.000 Happens all over the world.

00:44:03.000 Anyway, he was briefly detained, so I guess that he's now going to become hero of the day.

00:44:08.000 Jason?

00:44:09.000 What's going on?

00:44:10.000 I hear you.

00:44:11.000 Am I seeing Jason Carroll being...

00:44:17.000 I'm being detained.

00:44:19.000 I'm being detained, Laura.

00:44:21.000 I'm not being arrested.

00:44:22.000 Correct, officers?

00:44:23.000 Did you hear what he told you?

00:44:25.000 No.

00:44:26.000 We're letting you go, but you can't come back.

00:44:28.000 Okay.

00:44:29.000 Because then if you come back, then you go.

00:44:31.000 Okay.

00:44:32.000 Okay, please.

00:44:33.000 Okay, thank you.

00:44:34.000 Thank you, officer.

00:44:35.000 Take care.

00:44:36.000 You too.

00:44:36.000 Nice to meet you.

00:44:37.000 Okay, thank you.

00:44:39.000 What happened, Jason?

00:44:40.000 If you guys can still hear me, what happened was...

00:44:43.000 I was...

00:44:46.000 I'm Chris.

00:44:46.000 We're the New York Times.

00:44:47.000 We got video of you guys.

00:44:49.000 Oh, you did?

00:44:51.000 I appreciate that.

00:44:52.000 I can hear you still, Jason.

00:44:53.000 What's happening?

00:44:56.000 So here's what happened, Laura.

00:44:58.000 The officer...

00:45:04.000 I said, "Am I being arrested?" He said, "You were being detained." I was walked out of the area.

00:45:13.000 They took down my information.

00:45:15.000 Oh, I'm losing his, now.

00:45:19.000 I can't hear you, Jason.

00:45:23.000 Wow.

00:45:24.000 He's so happy.

00:45:25.000 They're all so happy.

00:45:26.000 Again, understand that for these members of the media, I love that they're cosplaying, that they're in the middle of the Arab Spring over here.

00:45:31.000 Like, give me a break.

00:45:32.000 Give me a break.

00:45:33.000 Again, this is all part and parcel of a broader left-wing effort to tear away at the system.

00:45:37.000 One of the people attempting to tear away at the system most often is, of course, George Soros.

00:45:42.000 So, according to the Wall Street Journal, it's not just going to be California.

00:45:46.000 A group backed by George Soros is now trying to plow millions into turning Texas blue.

00:45:51.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Texas Majority PAC, a Soros-funded PAC, launched a Blue Texas initiative Monday, along with the Texas Democratic Party and a group of county parties, aiming to organize tens of thousands of volunteers, recruit candidates, and boost turnout ahead of the 2026 midterm elections.

00:46:07.000 Soros, the billionaire investor and philanthropist, has devoted millions to turning Texas blue in the past and donated $2.1 million to Texas majority in 2024 and $1 million in April.

00:46:17.000 Records show.

00:46:18.000 So Democrats are now trying to take the map that they created in California and extend it over to Texas via gigantic funding from blue billionaires like George Soros.

00:46:29.000 And this speaks to something broader happening across the world because what we're watching in L.A. is not a random outburst of violence.

00:46:35.000 It's a direct result of democratic governance, which abandons the most basic function of the government, the safety of its law-abiding residents, by absorbing millions of migrants from around the world, no questions asked. 1.00

00:46:45.000 And this is an international issue.

00:46:47.000 These riots harm the poorest Americans most, but also people across the West, damaging businesses for months, if not years.

00:46:53.000 Almost always, they morph into these glomfests for the revolutionary omni-cause.

00:46:57.000 The pro-Hamas crowd joined in almost immediately in L.A. over the weekend, gleefully assembling their Molotov cocktails, spray-painting Death to America KKKA.

00:47:05.000 On a federal building, in stark contrast, the week before last, I had the opportunity to sit down with President Viktor Orban of Hungary at CPAC in Budapest.

00:47:13.000 Orban is a unique leader in Europe.

00:47:15.000 He's a polarizing figure whose common-sense conservatism has now been branded autocratic by the left, but it has resulted in additional prosperity and security for Hungarians.

00:47:23.000 His policies are very simple.

00:47:25.000 Secure the borders, national sovereignty, cultural cohesion.

00:47:29.000 The success of Hungary's stance on immigration is evident.

00:47:32.000 If I walk around Europe wearing my yarmulke, typically it's a problem.

00:47:35.000 Not in Budapest.

00:47:36.000 As Orban mentions in our conversation, the EU actually fines Hungary 1 million euros every single day for not blindly allowing Soros-organized migrants into the country.

00:47:46.000 George Soros has made Viktor Orban his target for years.

00:47:48.000 As a result, Hungary's cities are not overrun by Islamists pushing Sharia law or marching leftists hiding behind humanitarian causes while burning cars in solidarity with those Islamists.

00:47:58.000 Orban's approach to immigration is the precise opposite of the Biden administration's border policy or Gavin Newsom's policy.

00:48:04.000 The coalition that attacks Orban looks almost precisely like the coalition in America currently attacking President Trump.

00:48:10.000 From international open society NGOs to lunatic leftists who think borders are racist.

00:48:14.000 When Victor Orban talks about defending borders, it's not a matter of compassion or economic capacity or anything else.

00:48:20.000 It's about ending the lie that the West is fundamentally evil and therefore worthy of destruction.

00:48:25.000 We're bringing you our conversation with President Orban.

00:48:28.000 In this first part today, we discuss immigration, George Soros, the international left, and his hopes for an end to the war in Ukraine.

00:48:35.000 So without further ado, here's part one of my interview with President Viktor Orban of Hungary.

00:48:40.000 Prime Minister Orban, thank you so much for taking the time.

00:48:42.000 I should probably start where I'm sure many of your interviews start.

00:48:45.000 You become a very controversial, polarizing figure in the West.

00:48:49.000 The press cover you a lot in the West.

00:48:50.000 Americans know your name.

00:48:52.000 They know about Hungary.

00:48:53.000 Why do you think you become such a top of mind?

00:48:58.000 First of all, let us clarify to be a polarizing figure, whether it's good or bad.

00:49:09.000 I think it's good.

00:49:13.000 The essence of democracy is that there exists a difference of opinions.

00:49:19.000 If you don't polarize opinions, how will you discuss them?

00:49:22.000 And, of course, in the end, we will have to come to an agreement in the interest of the nation, governance, peace, public good.

00:49:30.000 But for understanding, you need argument.

00:49:34.000 A controversial man in a Hungarian to a Hungarian is not a negative person.

00:49:38.000 It's something that goes along with democracy.

00:49:41.000 So that is, I will interpret your question in a way, how have I become known in America?

00:49:48.000 It's through my enemies.

00:49:50.000 They actually were my PR people in America.

00:49:53.000 They were doing the propaganda.

00:49:55.000 Our major player Americans who believed that I have to be pinpointed, pointed at publicly as somebody who represents something bad.

00:50:06.000 And I think this actually reached its peak in 2015, 2016, when we had that huge wave of migration in Europe.

00:50:14.000 And I was the only person who said migration I was the only one who said these migrants are not coming of their own volition. 0.89

00:50:26.000 They are being organized.

00:50:28.000 There is financing behind it.

00:50:29.000 There is a whole business structure behind this.

00:50:32.000 And behind the whole thing stands the Soros Network Foundation, who openly, in a published article, admitted that he wanted to bring in one million migrants every year to Europe.

00:50:46.000 So I pointed him out.

00:51:03.000 George Soros is a very important political player.

00:51:05.000 He's spent exorbitant fees and monies trying to impact politics all over the planet in the United States, in Hungary as well.

00:51:13.000 He said it was it was not you.

00:51:14.000 It was he who suggested that he believes that borders are the obstacle and that migration is the goal.

00:51:20.000 that borders are the problem.

00:51:21.000 He's the one who made that an issue, not you.

00:51:23.000 You simply saying no made you an obstacle to people like George Soros and to a left-wing media that really decided that you were the problem, correct?

00:51:32.000 Well, yes.

00:51:34.000 Well, that's the description.

00:51:38.000 I think there is something that we share with Soros.

00:51:42.000 We're both Hungarians.

00:51:45.000 So this is a Hungarian box match also, of course.

00:51:49.000 But George Soros has perhaps outgrown Hungary.

00:51:53.000 He's one of the largest businessmen, if you wish, and speculators of the world.

00:52:00.000 And, of course, we have to understand it's very Hungarian that business and money is not enough. 1.00

00:52:04.000 You need more than money.

00:52:06.000 You need more than power.

00:52:08.000 You vie for something more than power.

00:52:10.000 And he has become a kind of, Wow, the good world, a good world would look like what we need to turn into.

00:52:26.000 So he had aspirations of becoming a guru.

00:52:29.000 And if you have a lot of money and you are a guru, you don't only write books, you start to interfere into things.

00:52:35.000 And he has become one of the most important political actors of the world.

00:52:40.000 But nobody dared to call him out on this.

00:52:42.000 They said this is a wonderful man who has this excellent, fantastic moral things that he's financing.

00:52:51.000 He's a philanthropist of all times.

00:52:54.000 And I said, no, this is not true.

00:52:56.000 He's giving money for bad things to bad people, and this is not good, and you have to fight against this.

00:53:01.000 And that's the story that actually ultimately, if you wish, actually put me there in this global discourse where they are actually paying attention to what I say.

00:53:11.000 Otherwise, nobody would give a damn about what I'm saying.

00:53:13.000 I mean, it's a country of 10 million people, a small army, not a huge GDP.

00:53:18.000 So our weight and the attention are in no way correlation to one another.

00:53:25.000 And it is the moral and the intellectual content of our struggle that made Hungary so interesting in America and American politics.

00:53:33.000 Let's talk for a second about the angle of attack on you and your administration.

00:53:37.000 So the angle has been that you're centralizing power, they call you undemocratic, they suggest that you're violating civil rights.

00:53:44.000 How do you respond to those accusations?

00:53:45.000 What is it that you're trying to do?

00:53:47.000 What is your philosophy of governance?

00:53:49.000 Alessandro Homek: First of all, if you're Why?

00:53:58.000 Because if you understand, then you need to respond.

00:54:01.000 Because most often they will not attack you because of what they are saying or what they are saying publicly.

00:54:08.000 I'm being attacked because there is a struggle, there is a hidden...

00:54:21.000 The opponents are the leftist progressives.

00:54:25.000 Who think that traditional frameworks are obsolete, Christianism, Judeo-Christianism, heritage, nation are obsolete.

00:54:34.000 They want something new.

00:54:36.000 And then there is us who belong to the traditional communities and want to preserve the family, respect, common sense, religion.

00:54:46.000 So this is a struggle, a fight.

00:54:49.000 And this is going on for the soul of the Western world.

00:54:53.000 And when I'm being attacked from the left, it's not because of what they're saying.

00:54:58.000 It's because I just belong to the other camp.

00:55:01.000 I belong to the conservative camp, to the right, the patriots.

00:55:05.000 And whatever the reason, they just have to continuously attack me.

00:55:10.000 That's the logic of war, if you wish, in this sense.

00:55:13.000 And I'm much less interested in what they're saying.

00:55:17.000 It's much more interesting for me.

00:55:18.000 What they're saying, well, it amuses me.

00:55:22.000 It really amuses me when they talk about the democratic deficit, the lack of democracy.

00:55:29.000 I am a street fighter.

00:55:31.000 I actually come from the anti-communist resistance.

00:55:36.000 Half illegal student movement is where I started politics.

00:55:41.000 And we fought to actually bring down the communist dictatorship, to actually push the Soviet troops out of this country to come back freedom and democracy.

00:55:51.000 I fought for that.

00:55:52.000 All those people who are criticizing me are very lucky people.

00:55:54.000 They were born into a democracy in America, in Germany.

00:55:58.000 They have absolutely no clue about what it means to fight for democracy.

00:56:03.000 They've never lived in a dictatorship, in a regime.

00:56:05.000 They've never had to fight it.

00:56:06.000 And now they are behaving as they were the greatest Democrats.

00:56:09.000 No, we are the greatest Democrats who, here in Central Europe, who have fought for freedom, fought for democracy, saw criticism.

00:56:15.000 We just laugh at.

00:56:21.000 Of course, I've been in government.

00:56:24.000 I've spent 20 years in government, but I served 16 in opposition as well.

00:56:29.000 So I lost, I won, I lost, I came back.

00:56:33.000 I've been there, done that, as they say.

00:56:35.000 Contrary to all those who talk to me and lecture me on democracy, it's quite a funny thing.

00:56:39.000 And I just don't take them seriously.

00:56:41.000 I just acknowledge the fact that Hungary has actually reached a level of attention Where global, international left looks on you as an opponent and puts you under fire, is shooting at you, because from their perspective, we are the bad example, but from the side of the right, we are the good example.

00:57:00.000 We have maintained Christianity, Christian traditions.

00:57:03.000 We protect the traditional family.

00:57:05.000 We have stopped the migrants. 1.00

00:57:07.000 Instead of social aid, we are giving people work.

00:57:10.000 We believe in merit-based economy.

00:57:12.000 We are supporting economic investments.

00:57:16.000 To make people, to liberate people, to allow business and economy to support their freedom.

00:57:21.000 It's not only that we say this and we do this, it's only our sin is also that we're successful.

00:57:27.000 And not only because we've been in government for 20 years, but it's because reality is transforming and life.

00:57:33.000 Freedom, respect, culture, and of course, economic results during the past 16 years have created a new quality in Hungary.

00:57:42.000 So Hungary is not only different, it's not only a maverick, it's not only different from others, it's not a strange island, a conservative island of difference.

00:57:52.000 we are a successful country.

00:57:53.000 So when you talk about all that, the thing that sticks out to me is the...

00:58:06.000 I mean, that's obviously something that George Soros opposes.

00:58:08.000 He's very anti-nationalist.

00:58:10.000 But that's also true of institutions like the EU or the ICC, which you recently pulled Hungary out of specifically because the ICC was attempting to cram down particular types of pseudo-justice that you didn't agree with.

00:58:23.000 How do you deal with the international organizations given the fact that you do have to work within them, especially the EU?

00:58:30.000 First of all, let us understand what the phenomenon is that we are talking about.

00:58:35.000 Behind this topic is re-understanding.

00:58:46.000 Who were the political players in Europe before?

00:58:49.000 Of course, you had the electors, the voters, and the leaders that they elected.

00:58:55.000 These leaders, we knew them.

00:58:57.000 They were real, substantial people, great names, and we knew that they stood behind the decisions.

00:59:03.000 They were the actual decision makers.

00:59:05.000 Helmut Kohl, a real leader.

00:59:07.000 Jacques Chirac.

00:59:09.000 Regardless of the fact we like him or not, Tony Blair, they were serious leaders.

00:59:15.000 Today, nowadays, you tend to forget the names of contemporary leaders because the real, actual, serious political players, Are not the political leaders.

00:59:26.000 There's a grey zone between the voters and the political leaders.

00:59:31.000 You are in this grey zone where you form public opinion, where you are an influencer, where you are influencing the discourse.

00:59:38.000 So we've seen the emergence of a world, a new world that is able to influence politics, which thanks to technological development, you are there in my pocket.

00:59:48.000 I immediately see your YouTube videos.

00:59:52.000 So your role has increased.

00:59:53.000 The role of people like you has increased.

00:59:57.000 And so when we talk about politics, it's not only politicians, but also the zone around politicians, which is actually now shaping public opinion much more than actual politicians are.

01:00:09.000 And this is a great challenge for our profession in Europe.

01:00:13.000 As a result of this phenomenon, real leaders are actually disappearing.

01:00:18.000 We are, you know, replaceable ones.

01:00:20.000 They are coming and going in comparison.

01:00:23.000 to the previous big personalities of the old times.

01:00:27.000 It's no coincidence that you don't have too many of these heroes appearing nowadays because politics structure has changed.

01:00:35.000 So we have to take this seriously.

01:00:38.000 And the question is no longer whether one politician or the other has been bought off from abroad, because that is actually treason.

01:00:48.000 The real question with these politicians in this grey zone around politicians, who are the ones who are actually shaping the public opinion?

01:00:56.000 Who are you, the likes of you?

01:00:59.000 Are you leftists, rightists, patriots?

01:01:02.000 You're not only neutral channels.

01:01:05.000 Help people to find out about other opinions.

01:01:08.000 You impact people.

01:01:09.000 And when people are being financed in Hungary from abroad who actually are able to impact the opinion here, or finance from Brussels, or there are all kinds of covert USAID funding coming, then the question pops to my mind.

01:01:25.000 This is a problem.

01:01:26.000 This is a threat.

01:01:27.000 There are people here who are influencing Hungarian affairs, Hungarian public opinion, and somebody else is paying them.

01:01:34.000 It's not good.

01:01:35.000 We need to make this transparent.

01:01:36.000 We have to transform this.

01:01:37.000 And that's what I'm fighting for.

01:01:39.000 For every Hungarian to know, if somebody they hear in the political sphere, who is he?

01:01:44.000 Who is she? 0.99

01:01:45.000 Why are they doing it?

01:01:46.000 Why are they saying it?

01:01:47.000 Follow the money.

01:01:48.000 Follow the money trail.

01:01:50.000 If you want to understand what is happening, follow the trail of the money.

01:01:54.000 Who is paying who for why?

01:01:56.000 And it's very, very difficult to make transparent because leftist progressives are hiding in this sphere, this gray zone.

01:02:04.000 They say they are independent.

01:02:05.000 They are non-unbiased.

01:02:07.000 But they are paid from abroad.

01:02:10.000 They have disinformation actions against governments they don't like.

01:02:13.000 They impact all kinds of colorful revolutions.

01:02:17.000 They actually organize those. 0.99

01:02:19.000 So we have to take them seriously.

01:02:21.000 And we actually have to find the modern regulation that allows for the freedom of opinion but excludes manipulation.

01:02:27.000 So, one of the key priorities for you, obviously, has been fighting off Postmodern secularism from the left that you see in institutions like the EU or the ICC or some of these organizations, these NGOs that are being promoted inside your country.

01:02:43.000 Also, obviously, you've posed yourself against radical Islamic immigration and migrant waves.

01:02:48.000 What do you make of the conflict in Ukraine?

01:02:50.000 Because obviously that impacts Hungary.

01:02:52.000 Hungary is on the border of Ukraine.

01:02:54.000 That conflict has been going on for years at this point.

01:02:57.000 You've taken a sort of middle position.

01:03:00.000 Do you think it matters if Vladimir Putin were to actually take Ukraine?

01:03:03.000 What do you think is the off-ramp there?

01:03:05.000 The leader of Russia seems not to want to take an off-ramp right now.

01:03:09.000 What do you make of the conflict?

01:03:11.000 What should people be looking for there?

01:03:14.000 Is it possible to speak about a little bit more on Brussels prior to jump to Ukraine?

01:03:18.000 Sure.

01:03:19.000 Okay.

01:03:21.000 Thank you.

01:03:26.000 And it's very difficult to understand for an American.

01:03:29.000 It is something that was born healthy, created healthy, but became distorted.

01:03:37.000 With time, it just developed in the wrong direction.

01:03:40.000 Brussels and the EU used to be about European countries, nations joining hands in order to exclude the possibility of war, that there will be peace on the continent because Europe was destroyed by wars.

01:03:56.000 We will create a safe continent.

01:03:59.000 We will have freedom of movement, freedom of trade, investment.

01:04:04.000 And we will have safety, security, welfare and development.

01:04:09.000 And member states actually Did this by preserving their national identity, but in cooperation with each other.

01:04:17.000 This is how it worked out.

01:04:19.000 It was fantastic.

01:04:20.000 But then Brussels' bureaucracy started growing.

01:04:23.000 And by today, Brussels is no longer about coordinating the work of member states.

01:04:29.000 It is not a coordinating service center.

01:04:32.000 It has become a center of power.

01:04:34.000 It has come to real life.

01:04:36.000 It's like Frankenstein.

01:04:37.000 It has a life of its own.

01:04:40.000 It's building its own empire.

01:04:41.000 It has its own identity.

01:04:43.000 It looks on national identity as an enemy.

01:04:45.000 It is encroaching on the sovereignty of nation states, taking away competences.

01:04:51.000 Ever closer union, they said.

01:04:53.000 Well, hand over as much competences as possible from your national sovereignty to the Brussels center.

01:04:59.000 Before, power didn't work like that.

01:05:02.000 Competences stayed with the nation states, and only a few were in Brussels.

01:05:06.000 Now it has turned around.

01:05:07.000 The same thing with migration.

01:05:09.000 No one ever...

01:05:19.000 We are protecting, defending the borders.

01:05:21.000 We are not allowing anybody in.

01:05:23.000 You can only enter this country if we give you permission to do so. 0.99

01:05:27.000 Without permission, you're not allowed.

01:05:29.000 That is a crime if you come without.

01:05:31.000 So we are protecting ourselves.

01:05:32.000 We're protecting Europe.

01:05:34.000 What is Brussels doing?

01:05:35.000 Every day imposing one million euros.

01:05:39.000 Every day in a fine against us.

01:05:42.000 They are taking 1 million euros every day from us as a fine.

01:05:46.000 That is what I'm talking about.

01:05:48.000 This is the Brussels imperial center.

01:05:51.000 That is the threat.

01:05:52.000 So when we talk about Brussels, which is a special thing, you have to understand that we are supportive of European cooperation, but we are not supportive of the imperialistic ideas that are taking stronghold in Brussels, killing the nation state and taking away our...

01:06:09.000 Ukraine.

01:06:11.000 Very tough nut to crack.

01:06:14.000 Very difficult issue.

01:06:15.000 What happened before the Russian-Ukrainian war?

01:06:19.000 The world was like this.

01:06:21.000 You had the Russians with their huge military and nuclear power.

01:06:29.000 Hungary, Poland, Romania.

01:06:31.000 It was basically the eastern flank of NATO, NATO's huge nuclear might, and in between you had this buffer zone called Ukraine.

01:06:43.000 And both parties thought that this was good, that there existed such a buffer zone.

01:06:49.000 If the Russians want to attack us, they have to pass through Ukraine. 0.98

01:06:52.000 If NATO wanted to attack Russia, they would have to go through Ukraine.

01:06:56.000 So it was good for everybody.

01:06:59.000 Everybody wanted influence.

01:07:00.000 There was always push and shove.

01:07:02.000 I remember 10, 15 years ago.

01:07:05.000 The West wanted influence in Kiev.

01:07:08.000 The Russians wanted to influence Kiev.

01:07:10.000 But it didn't really change the balance.

01:07:12.000 There was a buffer zone situation that was created.

01:07:16.000 And Westerners decided, and the Ukrainians accepted this, that Ukraine doesn't need to be a buffer zone anymore.

01:07:25.000 It needs to be integrated into Western structures, Western economy, Western security, Western NATO, Western markets.

01:07:33.000 And they started to arm Ukraine, and they thought that a slow integration of Ukraine, which probably was supported by the Ukrainian people as well, To create more security for Europe.

01:07:47.000 However, this thought was built on the hypothesis that the Russians are going to swallow this and watch this idly.

01:07:54.000 The Russians said upfront that they will not watch this idly.

01:07:58.000 A well-armed Ukraine armed with Western weapons, being a member of NATO or not, but fully integrated into NATO structures appears all of a sudden on the borders of Russia.

01:08:09.000 They said they will not put up with that.

01:08:11.000 And that is when trouble began.

01:08:14.000 Joe Biden was the president of the United States of America, and that was the problem.

01:08:20.000 If there was a serious president leading America, let's say Donald Trump, then he would have taken the Russians seriously for what they were saying and would have prevented the war and would have said, we are all heading for a confrontation.

01:08:33.000 Let's sit down.

01:08:34.000 Let's talk.

01:08:34.000 Let's talk this out.

01:08:35.000 Let's not allow the war to erupt.

01:08:37.000 And Donald Trump would have been able to do that.

01:08:39.000 The Democrats were unable to do that.

01:08:42.000 Furthermore, they actually jumped headlong, headfirst into the war.

01:08:46.000 Of course, Russians attacked Ukraine in breach of international law, and of course, The American administration, European politicians were talking more war, more war.

01:09:04.000 Ukrainians should win this war. 1.00

01:09:05.000 We Hungarians said this smells trouble.

01:09:09.000 This will bring war to the West. 0.93

01:09:11.000 Let us isolate the conflict.

01:09:12.000 Let us sit down.

01:09:14.000 Let us cool the tension.

01:09:15.000 Let us create war, peace or a ceasefire.

01:09:19.000 We were the only ones to say this.

01:09:20.000 And the Holy See, the Vatican.

01:09:23.000 While the American president was in office, and it wasn't Trump who was in office, we were alone.

01:09:31.000 Now the Americans are pro-peace also, and one or two European countries are also pro-peace.

01:09:37.000 But the majority of European Union states still wants to continue the war.

01:09:42.000 My opinion is we need a ceasefire, we need peace.

01:09:46.000 And we have to understand that integrating Ukraine into the Western economic and Military world is not a success.

01:09:56.000 We have to sit down and discuss the future.

01:09:58.000 We have to just take a step back to the kind of buffer zone concept we had pre-war, where it's always good to have this stretch between NATO and Russia, which guarantees peace to NATO and for the Russians as well.

01:10:12.000 That is the way we should be going.

01:10:14.000 Furthermore, there is this other problem.

01:10:17.000 This war is destroying the European economy.

01:10:22.000 It is costing a huge amount of money.

01:10:25.000 The Ukrainians don't have a penny. 1.00

01:10:26.000 The Ukrainians, well, they are living off us. 1.00

01:10:29.000 Without us, they couldn't pay the pensions.

01:10:32.000 They couldn't pay their doctors, their teachers.

01:10:34.000 The Ukrainian state would not exist without us, nor would the Ukrainian army.

01:10:40.000 The whole Ukrainian army is being financed by the Americans and Europe.

01:10:44.000 Now the Americans are going out. 0.94

01:10:45.000 More and more us Europeans are having to take over.

01:10:48.000 It's costing a huge amount of money.

01:10:51.000 While war and sanctions, Russian energy has been sanctioned, it has really killed the European economy.

01:10:57.000 Inflation is soaring.

01:11:00.000 Energy prices rocketing.

01:11:02.000 Today, we are paying two times for electricity than you were in America, four times than an American company is paying.

01:11:11.000 So our competitiveness is lost.

01:11:12.000 We have beaten ourselves into the ground.

01:11:14.000 And while the export markets that used to be important for Hungary in the European Union, because they have left, they've sent all their money to Ukraine, there is no demand.

01:11:24.000 They have less money.

01:11:25.000 We cannot sell them so many things.

01:11:26.000 We have lost markets.

01:11:28.000 Energy prices have gone up.

01:11:29.000 The whole thing is an end.

01:11:35.000 Therefore, as soon as possible, we have to put an end to this and we need to have peace.

01:11:39.000 That has been our position always, really, like it was with migration.

01:11:44.000 First, it was only the Hungarians who were saying this.

01:11:47.000 It's difficult to believe, but before President Trump, to say in Europe peace, it was blasphemy.

01:11:54.000 I mean, if I said I was on the side of peace, they looked at me as if they were seeing red.

01:12:01.000 Can you imagine?

01:12:03.000 Europe, the European Union, created to ensure peace, started to actually punish politicians who were arguing for peace.

01:12:11.000 It's absurd.

01:12:12.000 It's impossible.

01:12:13.000 So, therefore, the whole of Hungary was actually rooting for Donald Trump, because we knew that if he wins, peace comes.

01:12:22.000 So I actually publicly took that position as Henry Kissinger's position as early as summer 2022.

01:12:27.000 The problem now, of course, is that...

01:12:37.000 Vladimir Putin has not.

01:12:38.000 He's accepted the idea of trying to negotiate directly for peace.

01:12:42.000 He went to Turkey.

01:12:43.000 Vladimir Putin did not.

01:12:45.000 If Vladimir Putin does not make clear what his demands are, if he doesn't move toward a 30-day ceasefire, move along with President Trump, should the Europeans and the Americans continue to support Ukraine militarily sufficient?

01:12:56.000 to ensure that Russia doesn't just eat the rest of Ukraine. 0.89

01:13:00.000 Okay.

01:13:03.000 I have a peculiar opinion on this.

01:13:08.000 It is naivite to believe that Russian-Ukrainian talks will lead to peace.

01:13:15.000 I know this.

01:13:16.000 I'll say this from experience.

01:13:20.000 In the summer of 2024, when Hungary took over for six months the EU presidency, I started first by flying to Kiev, then went to Moscow, then to Beijing, and then to Mar-a-Lago.

01:13:36.000 So I talked with everyone.

01:13:39.000 I talked with Zelensky in Kiev.

01:13:42.000 And with Putin in Moscow.

01:13:44.000 And based on my experiences, speaking on, based on these, if we leave peace up to these two guys, there will never be peace.

01:13:56.000 Peace does not lead to Russian-Ukrainian talks.

01:13:58.000 It leads through Russian-American talks.

01:14:03.000 So when there will be an American-Russian talk, there will be peace. 0.95

01:14:08.000 Whether Ukrainians need to be involved somewhere along the way, it's an important issue, but it's a partial element.

01:14:16.000 Peace can only be created by the Americans through discussions with the Russians. 0.69

01:14:20.000 That's the key.

01:14:21.000 I mean, right now the Trump administration is looking to walk away from the table because they believe that maybe the Russians don't actually just want an armistice.

01:14:28.000 I mean, it seems to me that this looks more like a Korean situation, like the end of the Korean War, than it looks like a negotiated actual peace, that the lines of armistice just freeze in place where they are.

01:14:39.000 And Ukraine obviously isn't going to accept being disarmed the way that Russia would like, and Russia isn't going to accept giving back Crimea or giving back the Donbass region, as Ukraine would like.

01:14:49.000 And so the most likely scenario basically just seems to be status quo with less murder on both sides.

01:14:54.000 Isn't that the most likely scenario?

01:14:55.000 And how do we get to that off-ramp?

01:14:58.000 These are important technical details.

01:15:02.000 I think the essence, the bottom line is, everybody has to acknowledge, admit that this war cannot be won.

01:15:14.000 There is no solution in the trenches.

01:15:16.000 But we are not yet there at this admission.

01:15:19.000 The Russians still believe that they can win this war in the trenches.

01:15:22.000 The Ukrainians said that to me as well when I visited them.

01:15:25.000 And the Europeans also believe this.

01:15:27.000 The one person who doesn't believe this, who thinks that it's no sense to think about winning the war, that's the president of the United States of America.

01:15:36.000 That's the problem.

01:15:37.000 Everyone else is not yet in admission.

01:15:40.000 And I think the most important thing for Europeans would be to actually rally behind President Trump.

01:15:52.000 They want war.

01:15:54.000 They want to continue the war. 0.86

01:15:56.000 They are convincing Ukraine.

01:15:59.000 Sit down, don't talk, don't sign a peace deal, continue the war.

01:16:02.000 And they are trying to actually bring back the American president from the pro-peace to the pro-war situation.

01:16:10.000 So the most important thing for the West would be to be united and support the American president.

01:16:16.000 That would bring us closer to peace.

01:16:18.000 And then we will see.

01:16:20.000 In politics, it's also very important.

01:16:22.000 You should never...

01:16:27.000 Sometimes you need to leave a chance for life.

01:16:30.000 You don't have to think of everything.

01:16:32.000 Just keep your eye on the most important thing, approach that, and then later on we will see.

01:16:39.000 It will evolve.

01:16:40.000 It hasn't been yet said, the basic statement hasn't been made, that there is no solution to this war on the front lines.

01:16:48.000 Therefore, there needs to be a ceasefire.

01:16:52.000 Opposing parties, even if they say this, they are not serious about it.

01:16:56.000 In reality, the Russians just want to actually reach the border lines that they wanted, the four counties that they want to occupy, that they have decided to occupy, whereas the Ukrainians want to continue the war. 0.78

01:17:12.000 And are hoping that by continuing the war, they will get money, weapons, technology, reconstruction, money, money, money from Europe and perhaps from America as well.

01:17:27.000 Joining us on the line is Riley Gaines, former NCAA champion swimmer and a leading advocate for women in sports.

01:17:32.000 She hosts the Gaines for Girls podcast on Outkick.com, where she champions fairness and integrity in athletics.

01:17:38.000 Riley, thanks so much for joining the show.

01:17:40.000 Yeah, good to see you, Ben.

01:17:41.000 Thanks.

01:17:43.000 Okay, so let's talk about this feud, apparently, that you now have with Simone Biles, the famed gymnast.

01:17:48.000 So what exactly went down here?

01:17:50.000 Because obviously it tore up the internet.

01:17:52.000 Yeah, well, I'll take you back.

01:17:53.000 This happened all on Friday evening.

01:17:55.000 I spent a lot of my time on the road, traveling all over the place.

01:17:58.000 I was so excited because I got a weekend at home, a weekend to spend with my husband, my dogs, my horse.

01:18:04.000 Anyways, I typically put my phone away on the weekends, and so it's Friday night.

01:18:07.000 I'm just checking X, whatever it is, and I get this notification that popped up on my phone that said, Simone Biles has mentioned you in a comment.

01:18:15.000 I was so excited, truthfully, when I got this.

01:18:18.000 This is a woman, an athlete that I've looked up to as a role model, truthfully, for a long time for everything she's been able to accomplish in her sport and beyond.

01:18:26.000 So overwhelmed with, really starstruck by this, I click on the comment.

01:18:33.000 It didn't take long for me to be in total disbelief, really.

01:18:37.000 I read it.

01:18:38.000 I read it again.

01:18:38.000 I clicked on the profile, went back to the profile to make sure this wasn't a fake account.

01:18:42.000 No, this was the real Simone Biles calling me truly sick, disgusting, a bully for calling out—it was actually the state of Minnesota, which, bear in mind, this happened in five blue states just a week ago, two weeks ago, where boys or teams with boys stole championship spots, qualifying spots, podium spots from— Deserving girls. 0.52

01:19:04.000 Minnesota, Washington, California, Oregon, and Maine.

01:19:08.000 But specifically, I was talking about the story in Minnesota where a boy pitched on their high school girls softball team.

01:19:14.000 He pitched five consecutive games, 35 straight innings, 21 shutout innings, only allowed two runs over the entirety of those five games to lead his team to a state championship.

01:19:24.000 I called this out, and that's where Simone Biles came in. 1.00

01:19:28.000 I was so disappointed by this.

01:19:31.000 Not even because of the personal attacks, Ben.

01:19:33.000 I'm so secure with myself.

01:19:35.000 I think partially because I know I'm on the right side of history.

01:19:38.000 I'm happily married for three plus years.

01:19:40.000 None of the things she said about me bothered me.

01:19:42.000 It was more so upsetting to know the platform that she has, the amount of young girls that look up to her, and to see her take the stance that she did in really such a venomous, vile way in the year 2025. 1.00

01:19:55.000 But what we've seen since then, that was the first tweet.

01:19:57.000 What we've seen since then, this Friday evening where she commented this is she is getting absolutely destroyed and railed in all of the comment sections across all the different social media platforms, which shows you we are no longer living in 2020.

01:20:11.000 So that was the first little altercation.

01:20:14.000 I responded back to which she then tweeted out just moments later.

01:20:18.000 She said, bully someone your own size, which would ironically be a male. 0.97

01:20:23.000 I couldn't even really make sense of this at first.

01:20:25.000 I wasn't sure if she was calling me.

01:20:28.000 Tall, which Ben, I'm 5 '5".

01:20:30.000 That's maybe a giant to someone who's 4 '8", but that's not overly tall and certainly not tall in my sport.

01:20:38.000 In the sport of swimming, I would describe myself actually as a pretty short swimmer.

01:20:42.000 I don't know if she was calling me muscular, which again doesn't really make sense given Simone Biles' stature. 0.73

01:20:49.000 Very short, very muscular, very masculine looking, but that's the body that serves her for her spurt.

01:20:56.000 So I imagine if anyone would have understood what it's like to be a muscular female athlete, it's Simone Biles. 1.00

01:21:02.000 But nonetheless, this is the direction, the line of attack that she chose.

01:21:08.000 So I think the response that we have seen from the public, I almost feel bad for her, truthfully, but I believe it's justified.

01:21:17.000 People have had enough, Ben.

01:21:20.000 I mean, it really is kind of amazing.

01:21:21.000 She actually pinned her post about you to the top of her profile. 0.98

01:21:26.000 The post suggesting that you are truly sick.

01:21:28.000 All this campaigning because you lost a race.

01:21:30.000 Straight up sore loser.

01:21:31.000 There is an old tweet from her in 2017 pointing out that if she had to compete against male gymnasts, she'd get absolutely destroyed.

01:21:37.000 So there's always a tweet.

01:21:38.000 Always, always, always.

01:21:39.000 Always.

01:21:40.000 I don't know how 2025 Simone Biles reconciles with the fact that 2017 Simone Biles is a truly sick bigot by her own standard. 1.00

01:21:50.000 Yeah, it's crazy, but you're right.

01:21:52.000 It makes you wonder, though.

01:21:53.000 She tweeted this out, and of course, I don't think she believes it.

01:21:56.000 Just like mainstream media, just like elected Democrats, just like ESPN, right?

01:22:01.000 Like, they understand.

01:22:03.000 Simone, I mean, you look at the sport of gymnastics, men's gymnastics and women's gymnastics.

01:22:07.000 It's not even the same sport.

01:22:08.000 Like, you're competing in different events.

01:22:11.000 Men have the rings.

01:22:12.000 Men have the pommel horse.

01:22:13.000 Women have the beam and the uneven bars. 1.00

01:22:15.000 Men don't have those things. 1.00

01:22:16.000 It's not even the same sport.

01:22:17.000 So I don't actually believe that she believes what she wrote.

01:22:22.000 I think, of course, this was just, I mean...

01:22:27.000 She's done competing, so she doesn't have to worry about getting her Olympic medal, her championship spot stolen by a man.

01:22:36.000 Therefore, it's easy to say the thing that maybe in 2020 would have been the virtuous, kind, inclusive, accepting, compassionate thing to say.

01:22:45.000 But again, I think we now realize that those words, the word inclusion, compassion, they've been totally hijacked, literally to mean the exact opposite.

01:22:57.000 Riley, as you've been pointing out for years, the sort of Orwellian game where you're expected to repeat the words while ignoring the implications of the words, which would ultimately wipe out women's sports.

01:23:06.000 It is incredible, and the American people are done with it.

01:23:09.000 You're a big part of that.

01:23:10.000 Thank you for your continued hard work on this, and again, amazing to see how many people are willing to mouth the words even when they clearly don't believe them.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

01:23:18.000 It's been radio silence from Simone Biles since, so desperately awaiting her next move.

01:23:23.000 She has a Netflix docu-series, I believe, coming up.

01:23:26.000 Maybe this was an attempt to put her face, her name, her profile back in the public eye, but she did it in an incredibly shameful way that I think will come back to bite her in the butt. 0.83

01:23:38.000 Again, that's Riley Gaines.

01:23:39.000 You can check all of her work out on the Gaines for Girls podcast over at Outkick.com.

01:23:43.000 Riley, thanks for the time.

01:23:44.000 Thanks, Ben.

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