The riots continue in Los Angeles over illegal immigration. President Trump is threatening Gavin Newsom with arrest. And the first part of our long awaited interview with the Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, the first man on sort of the international scene to stand up against open borders.
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00:00:02.000The riots continue in Los Angeles over illegal immigration.
00:00:04.000President Trump threatening Gavin Newsom with arrest.
00:00:07.000Kind of, but Gavin Newsom is loving it.
00:00:09.000And the first part of our long-awaited interview with the Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orban, the first man on sort of the international scene to stand up against open borders.
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00:00:40.000While riots continued last night in Los Angeles, the media couldn't really handle it.
00:00:46.000But one of the things that is fascinating is the mindset of the people who are doing the rioting.
00:00:50.000Because it is a conglomeration of all the usual suspects.
00:00:53.000It is, in fact, organized by some people or sort of professionals.
00:01:00.000And then you also have people who are simply showing up to take advantage of the chaos and who believe that they can stick together this intersectional coalition as a sort of agglomeration of anger against the entire system.
00:01:12.000So last night, first of all, people took advantage of the situation or loot stores.
00:01:16.000This is a time-tested, true phenomenon that happens during pretty much every riot for my entire lifetime is people who take advantage of the fact that some are politically angry.
00:01:26.000In order to grab a pair of shoes from the local Adidas store.
00:01:28.000So here's some footage of that last night in Los Angeles.
00:01:37.000Looks like a bunch of nice folks just protesting illegal immigration by getting a new pair of shoes from Adidas.
00:01:47.000You can hear the sirens, but these are just people by the dozens looting an Adidas store.
00:01:53.000What is the real reason why you're seeing this sort of chaos in the streets of Los Angeles?
00:01:57.000Well, there was a very brilliant protester, I think, who explained why exactly this is happening.
00:02:03.000And it's worth playing this protester's statement in full.
00:02:06.000Because if you want to know what drives this mindset, then you really should take the time to listen to the people who are doing the rioting, who are attempting to attack police officers and ICE agents.
00:02:18.000Here's one of these protesters, masked, of course, wearing sunglasses so you can't see his face.
00:02:51.000Capitalism and imperialism, the more we can grow as a people, and the quicker we can get to this revolution and overturn this and have real people leading this country.
00:03:03.000Okay, you can hear his buddy there pipe in with, who are the enemy?
00:03:11.000All the isms, like the free market, that actually brought them all of their prosperity so they can waste their time in the middle of a day in Los Angeles yelling at the police, in the camera.
00:03:20.000And quote-unquote imperialism, which is presumably the reason they are standing on the soil of, you know, America.
00:03:26.000Because it turns out that the American people were not originally native to American soil.
00:05:44.000It is about people who seek to only tear down the institutions and systems that benefit them, that have created whatever prosperity they have as life's losers.
00:05:54.000Because the people who are out there protesting right now, who are rioting, Or waving Mexican flags as they drive a motorcycle around a burning Waymo.
00:06:27.000Okay, now, who is he talking about right there?
00:06:31.000Hilariously enough, many of the groups that are sponsoring these protests that are now turning into riots or burning cars or some violence against police and ICE agents are unions.
00:06:40.000According to the Wall Street Journal, unions, which have felt conflicted lately over how to deal with Trump, found an issue this past weekend over which to confront him.
00:06:48.000It came after the head of the state's biggest union was arrested here for allegedly obstructing federal agents from conducting an immigration raid.
00:06:54.000The union says he was peacefully observing.
00:06:55.000David Huerta, president of Service Employees International Union California, appeared in court Monday afternoon.
00:07:02.000Just a half mile away, his union, which represents a swath of working class California, including nurses, janitors, security guards, organized a sprawling protest in downtown's Grand Park.
00:07:11.000Other unions declared solidarity with the SEIU and with immigrants caught up in the federal rail.
00:07:16.000Now, this is sort of fascinating because if you just think about this on a logical level, why would unions be in favor of illegal immigration?
00:07:38.000They're doing so at the expense of their own membership, presumably.
00:07:42.000What is the driving factor behind all of this?
00:07:45.000And again, if you go all the way back to Cesar Chavez, union organizer, he was very much against illegal immigration for specifically this reason.
00:07:51.000He felt that importing Millions of people from south of the border was going to undercut the labor base in the United States.
00:07:58.000So what exactly is driving all of this?
00:08:00.000Well, the answer is that immigrants made up one-third of California's labor force in 2023, according to the census's data, compared with 18% for the overall United States.
00:08:11.000Some of the union's biggest organizing wins recently have been in service workplaces where undocumented immigrants often make up an outside share because, according to Steve Smith, a spokesperson for the AFL-CIO, quote, Whether you're documented or not, you can be a member of a union.
00:08:24.000And those we represent, we vow to protect.
00:08:50.000Well, what the union's been doing is going into workplaces where people are being paid below the union wage, and they are organizing illegal immigrants.
00:08:58.000That is the reason why they are now in favor, apparently, of widespread illegal immigration in the United States.
00:09:05.000Alfred Munoz, an Amazon delivery driver, said he joined the protest Monday because Huerta and the SEIU have supported the Teamsters' efforts to organize his workplace.
00:09:13.000If they can support us, why can't we support them?
00:09:20.000As the Wall Street Journal acknowledges, during much of the 20th century, union leaders saw immigrants as a threat to their members' livelihoods.
00:09:25.000But as declining manufacturing thinned their traditional base, union organizers looked to other sectors for new members.
00:09:31.000L.A. was one of the first places where the shift took hold, starting with an SEIU campaign to organize janitorial workplaces in the 1980s.
00:09:39.000So some of this is, in fact, being joined by organized efforts.
00:09:45.000Here is the National Education Association president, Rebecca Pringle, who gets paid $500,000 a year, mobilizing the protesters yesterday.
00:10:32.000Why is she out there screaming about this?
00:10:34.000And the answer, again, is that rigging the system on behalf of people who could not succeed in a free marketplace or a free marketplace of ideas.
00:10:43.000Shouting about democracy in favor of people who literally cannot vote in the democracy because they are not here legally is crazy.
00:10:50.000But that is the coalition of forces that have aligned behind mass illegal immigration in the United States.
00:10:56.000This is why the left can't let go of it, because driving the left's efforts forwards is this same coalition.
00:11:01.000They cannot abandon that coalition for love or money.
00:11:07.000The answer is the basic enforcement of immigration law.
00:11:10.000So the media are trying to Of course, that, of course, is no shock.
00:11:16.000They're trying to claim that the Trump administration did something horribly wrong here, deeply and horribly wrong.
00:11:22.000The Wall Street Journal has a long piece about the White House marching orders that sparked the LA migrant crackdown.
00:11:28.000Well, I mean, what actually sparked the riots and the protests would be people objecting to the enforcement of law that has been ignored for as long as I have been alive.
00:11:37.000We'll get to more of the demonstrations.
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00:13:43.000So Stephen Miller, who's the architect of the White House's immigration policy, Stephen and I grew up about the same time in the same city.
00:13:53.000I grew up in Los Angeles at the same exact time.
00:13:55.000And so his experience was the same as everybody else living in Southern California, which was illegal immigrants are actually not particularly hard to find in the state of California.
00:14:03.000If you drive to your local Home Depot, you will find many illegal immigrants who are seeking work.
00:14:07.000Now, again, that is not a lack of sympathy for the people who cross the border and try to get work at a Home Depot.
00:14:13.000If I lived south of the border, And I didn't care about American law.
00:14:16.000I assume I would do the same because America is a land of opportunity, a wonderful place, a great economy, and you're probably better off there than you are in the absolute bleephole that is Mexico as run by the drug cartels.
00:14:26.000That, however, does not mean that the American people have to acquiesce to the mass migration of millions of people illegally across the southern border.
00:14:35.000So apparently, in late May, Stephen Miller addressed a meeting at the headquarters of ICE.
00:14:46.000Gang members and violent criminals weren't the sole target of deportations.
00:14:49.000Federal agents needed to just go out there and arrest illegal aliens, Miller told top ICE officials.
00:14:54.000Agents did not need to develop target lists of immigrants suspected of being in the U.S. illegally a longstanding practice, said Miller.
00:14:59.000Instead, he directed them to target Home Depot, where day laborers typically gather for hire, or 7-Eleven convenience stores.
00:15:04.000Miller bet that he and a handful of agents could go out on the streets of Washington, D.C. and arrest 30 people right away.
00:15:09.000And he, by the way, happens to be right about that.
00:15:11.000It is not difficult to find illegal immigrants in major cities around the country congregating in public places.
00:15:17.000Now, people on the left are very upset about this, but essentially what Miller is saying is that when it comes to illegal immigration, broken windows theory applies.
00:15:24.000This is a theory by James Q. Wilson, the sociologist, who found that if you go into a neighborhood, a sort of low-income neighborhood, and you start breaking car windows, and those car windows never get fixed, pretty soon the entire neighborhood starts to fall apart because people see the area.
00:15:42.000And that's true for illegal immigration also.
00:15:44.000You may have sympathy for the worker who's down at Home Depot.
00:15:47.000That does not actually change the math on whether a society should allow millions of people into the country.
00:15:52.000And if you allow that to go, then pretty much anything can go.
00:15:55.000That is the point that Miller is making.
00:15:57.000And that's also the point that Tom Homan is making.
00:16:00.000He says that we're being obstructed from going into, for example, jails by state and local authorities.
00:16:05.000So if we can't arrest illegal immigrants in jail, then we'll arrest them in the community.
00:16:10.000I've said for a month, Sanctuary Cities, you don't want us to arrest these bad guys that you just listed about?
00:16:16.000We could arrest them in safety and security of the county jail, but they won't let us into jail.
00:16:20.000They release them into the community, which means we've got to send a whole bunch of teams in the community to find this dangerous person that don't want to be found.
00:16:26.000So Sanctuary Cities are going to get exactly what they don't want: more officers in the communities and more officers in the worksite.
00:16:33.000We can't arrest them in jail or arrest them in the community.
00:16:38.000That, of course, I don't understand why any of that is particularly controversial.
00:16:42.000Nonetheless, this has led to those widespread riots and protests and all the rest of this.
00:16:47.000So President Trump has now activated the National Guard.
00:16:50.000He's deploying an additional 2,000 National Guard troops.
00:16:53.000He put out a statement, quote, He made a great decision in sending the National Guard to deal with the violent instigated riots in California.
00:16:59.000If we had not done so, Los Angeles would have been completely obliterated.
00:17:02.000Very incompetent Governor Gavin Newsom and Mayor Karen Bass should be saying, Thank you, President Trump.
00:17:09.000Instead, they choose to lie to the people of California and America by saying we weren't needed and that these are peaceful protests.
00:17:14.000Just one look at the pictures and videos of the violence and destruction tells you all you have to know.
00:17:18.000We will always do what is needed to keep our citizens safe so we can together make America great again.
00:17:24.000Gavin Newsom, for his part, criticized President Trump for sending 2,000 National Guard troops to L.A. He said, the first, 2000, given no food or water, only approximately 300 are deployed.
00:17:34.000The rest are sitting unused in federal buildings without orders.
00:18:00.000Very similar to what the federal forces were doing in Portland, Oregon during the Antifa riots of 2020.
00:18:07.000Again, the president has not yet invoked the Insurrection Act, which would allow for the effectuation of domestic civilian law by the military.
00:18:17.000But that is not a thing that he's doing right now.
00:18:20.000So, again, essentially, these people are there in a sort of support capacity.
00:18:26.000700 Marines are also going to be sent to assist in Los Angeles, expected to arrive over the course of today, according to a U.S. official.
00:18:35.000President Trump said, I think we have a very well under control.
00:18:37.000I think it would have been a very bad situation.
00:18:39.000It was heading in the wrong direction, but now it's headed in the right direction.
00:18:43.000So the LAPD chief, for his part, Jim McDonnell, he said the arrival of federal military forces in L.A. absent clear coordination presents a significant logistical and operational challenge for those of us charged with safeguarding the city.
00:18:55.000The LAPD has decades of experience managing large-scale public demonstrations.
00:18:58.000We remain confident in our ability to do so professionally and effectively.
00:19:02.000Here should open and continuous lines of communication between all agencies to prevent confusion, avoid escalation, and ensure a coordinated, lawful, and orderly response during this critical time.
00:19:11.000Now, again, I would take that a little more seriously if I hadn't lived in Los Angeles in 2020 when LAPD was basically told to stand down and allow rioters to burn down large swaths of the city.
00:19:22.000Burn cop cars in a line on Melrose Avenue.
00:19:26.000Hit every footlocker within a 30-mile radius.
00:19:29.000And California's priorities are just screwed up.
00:20:15.000Local and state authorities have been the problem for a very long time in California.
00:20:18.000But here is LA Mayor Karen Bass saying, if it weren't for those darn federal authorities enforcing federal law, none of this would have happened.
00:20:26.000I just have to say that if you dial back time and go to Friday, if immigration raids had not happened here, we would not have the disorder that went on last night.
00:20:37.000I will tell you that it is peaceful now, but we do not know where and when the next raids will be.
00:20:44.000That is the concern, because people in the city have a rapid response network.
00:20:49.000If they see ICE, they go out and they protest.
00:21:24.000There were real problems in the city, but they seemed to be on the road to being fixed.
00:21:28.000And then circa 2010, 2011, 2012, essentially the Democrats running the state decided they were no longer going to enforce law under any circumstances.
00:21:37.000You had prisoners being released down to the streets by Governor Jerry Brown, and then you had the continuous California effort to import illegal immigrants at scale and refuse to enforce federal law.
00:21:48.000By the time we left, California had become increasingly lawless, Los Angeles in particular.
00:22:47.000was actively considered as a possible VP candidate with Joe Biden in 2020.
00:22:51.000That is the caliber of people the Democratic Party is producing now.
00:22:54.000Here is LA Mayor Karen Bass being shown a poll from CBS News from just a week ago showing that 54% of Americans approve of President Trump's program to deport illegal immigrants.
00:23:14.000Well, I think if you did the polling in Los Angeles, I'm not sure it would be that way, considering we are a city of immigrants.
00:23:22.000And then people might approve that policy, but do people really approve the federal government coming in and seizing power from a state and from a city?
00:23:32.000So I drill down a little further on that poll, because I do not believe that Americans support the federal intervention in a city takeover or a state takeover.
00:23:45.000How is that seizing power from the city?
00:23:46.000It is not seizing power from the city to enforce federal law.
00:23:48.000That's literally the job of the federal government is to enforce federal law.
00:23:52.000But again, it's not just LA Mayor Karen Bass.
00:23:54.000It is also LA County Supervisor Janice Hahn.
00:23:56.000The Hahn family has been a mainstay in LA politics, again, for as long as I've been alive.
00:24:02.000Jim Hahn was an LA County Supervisor as well.
00:24:05.000Here she was saying she blames Trump, of all people, for all of this.
00:24:09.000I totally blame the Trump administration for provoking this.
00:24:14.000The way they have come in indiscriminately going after hard-working residents of L.A. County, many of them in the cities that I represent on the County Board of Supervisors, is inhumane.
00:25:15.000Well, folks, in a moment we will get to the prospective arrest of the California governor first.
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00:28:34.000My favorite thing about this clip, for those who can't see it, is that he breaks the fourth wall.
00:28:37.000So typically when you're doing an interview, you speak to the person who's interviewing you.
00:28:40.000You don't kind of swivel into camera and start speaking directly into camera.
00:28:44.000That's what he does during an interview.
00:28:46.000He's speaking with the reporter and then he just swivels right into the camera and starts speaking with deliberate hand motions into the camera because that is a dude who desperately wants to be president of the United States.
00:28:56.000And he's putting his focus where it ought to be.
00:28:58.000He says that the state of California is suing.
00:29:32.000There would presumably have to be some basis for him to invoke Title 10. Every governor, red or blue, should reject this outrageous overreach.
00:29:48.000Yes, nothing says authoritarianism quite like activating the National Guard to shut down people who are burning Waymo cars while flying Mexican flags on top of them.
00:29:57.000Clearly, that's a threat to democracy.
00:29:59.000What we really need is a more lawless country.
00:30:02.000Well, Tom Homan, the border czar, he said, listen, Gavin Newsom hasn't violated the law yet, but if Gavin Newsom actually violates the law by, say, facilitating illegal immigration, then sure, we'll arrest him.
00:30:13.000They got the right to protest, but they can't cross that line.
00:30:20.000They can't annoyingly harbor and conceal illegal aliens from us.
00:30:23.000I said, "So if they cross that line, "they're gonna be prosecuted." And the question was, "Well, how about Mayor Bass "and Governor Newsom, what if they cross that line?" I says, "They'll be prosecuted too." Haven't they said for the last four years, no one's above the law?
00:30:35.000They cross the line, we'll seek prosecution.
00:30:40.000Okay, well, Gavin Newsom was very upset about this.
00:30:43.000First of all, President Trump, never one to miss an opportunity to troll, decided to troll Gavin Newsom.
00:33:43.000The governor has ordered every single police department and sheriff's office to shield criminal illegal aliens from removal.
00:33:48.000In a normal state, when an illegal alien is arrested, they're run through a federal database.
00:33:52.000If it hits that they are illegal or deportable, ICE asks the police or sheriffs to turn them over to ICE when their incarceration is complete.
00:33:58.000In California, when ICE lodges this detainer, it is refused, and the criminal alien is released back onto the street to endlessly reoffend.
00:34:05.000California has more criminal aliens than any other state in the United States by far, and each and every one of them can victimize Americans freely knowing they'll never be turned over by the authorities to ICE.
00:34:42.000Now, some Democrats are smart enough to realize that this is a losing political battle, that actually, it turns out, Americans are not fond of what is going on in Los Angeles and what has been going on for decades.
00:34:52.000We'll get to more on this in a moment.
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00:37:03.000And so I do also think he's probably doing everything he can to try to get the entire political world to be talking about anything other than a piece of legislation that's going to fundamentally change this country.
00:37:15.000So, yeah, we have to point out the danger of what he's proposing to do in Los Angeles while also keeping our eye on the ball, which is a bill that's going to transform our economy and ruin a lot of lives.
00:37:30.000Okay, so yeah, he's going to try and get away from the immigration talk because he understands it's a loser.
00:37:35.000Perhaps the only intelligent Democrat in the United States Senate at this point is John Fetterman, you know, the one who had a stroke.
00:37:40.000He tweeted out, quote, I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration.
00:37:58.000I mean, honestly, if Gavin Newsom wanted to pans President Trump, all he would have to do is help them effectuate the federal immigration law.
00:38:04.000That's all you'd have to do is say, listen, we were happy to help.
00:38:07.000President Trump activated the National Guard for no reason because we were happy to help.
00:38:10.000But he's not doing that because he's not happy to help.
00:38:13.000Meanwhile, the media doing their part as the Democratic apparatchiks that they are.
00:38:18.000Jon Stewart was out there making the claim that the ICE raids lit the fuse because everything's been hunky-dory in L.A. until now.
00:38:27.000So now, predictably, these non-targeted, much broader deportation efforts in cities that feel very connected to the immigrant population is a tinderbox.
00:38:59.000From the worst of the worst to a f***ing Home Depot?
00:39:04.000Geez, ICE, if you need assistance in arresting people, you know, those guys are looking for work, so.
00:39:10.000It's an explosive situation on the cusp of federalism versus states' rights, border control versus due process, terrifyingly militarized sweeps versus hardworking people in local communities, the United States Marines versus the Postmates guy who brought you an egg sandwich.
00:39:47.000Put aside all of the drawn public services represented by mass illegal immigration.
00:39:51.000Put aside the cultural problems, the cultural clashes that have occurred thanks to the importation of large numbers, millions of migrants from cultures.
00:39:59.000That aren't necessarily in consonant with sort of Anglo-American values traditionally.
00:40:04.000And again, people can obviously join into Anglo-American values, but if you're coming from a culture that generally doesn't like those things and doesn't care about those things, that's going to have some cultural impact, obviously.
00:40:14.000This is the part where everybody in the media goes, he said Anglo-American.
00:40:16.000Yeah, Barack Obama used that term too.
00:40:53.000I always love when people talk about civil war in the United States.
00:40:55.000See, in order for there to be a civil war, there have to be two armed sides willing to kill each other.
00:41:00.000I would love to know who is on the other side of the Marines National Guard and cops in L.A. capable of waging a civil war rather than looting the local Apple store.
00:41:09.000And there's a very big, stark demarcation between military troops and military.
00:41:21.000And you are an army turned inside to police its citizens can cause chaos, fascism, and fascism.
00:42:06.000And I'll tell you why that's really weird.
00:42:07.000Because one thing about the slaves is that escaped slaves were attempting to escape from plantations where they had been brought against their will.
00:42:20.000The slaves did not come to the United States voluntarily.
00:42:30.000So that's a pretty significant difference.
00:42:35.000Also, we are talking about sending these people back to their country of origin.
00:42:38.000We're not talking about enslaving them.
00:42:40.000We're talking about arresting people who committed acts of criminality by crossing our border illegally.
00:42:44.000But according to Eddie Glad, it's the same as slave catchers.
00:42:47.000This reminds me historically of the, it's not a clear analogy, but when the nation, when these political factions divided the nation between slaveholders and slave catchers.
00:43:00.000When they made everybody with the fugitive slave law, all of us had to, if someone escaped, all of us had to return that particular piece of property to these folk.
00:43:09.000With ICE running around L.A., forcing people to make choices.
00:43:12.000Will they protect their friends, their neighbors, their family members?
00:43:16.000Will they take, will they confront these folk?
00:45:26.000Again, understand that for these members of the media, I love that they're cosplaying, that they're in the middle of the Arab Spring over here.
00:45:33.000Again, this is all part and parcel of a broader left-wing effort to tear away at the system.
00:45:37.000One of the people attempting to tear away at the system most often is, of course, George Soros.
00:45:42.000So, according to the Wall Street Journal, it's not just going to be California.
00:45:46.000A group backed by George Soros is now trying to plow millions into turning Texas blue.
00:45:51.000According to the Wall Street Journal, Texas Majority PAC, a Soros-funded PAC, launched a Blue Texas initiative Monday, along with the Texas Democratic Party and a group of county parties, aiming to organize tens of thousands of volunteers, recruit candidates, and boost turnout ahead of the 2026 midterm elections.
00:46:07.000Soros, the billionaire investor and philanthropist, has devoted millions to turning Texas blue in the past and donated $2.1 million to Texas majority in 2024 and $1 million in April.
00:46:18.000So Democrats are now trying to take the map that they created in California and extend it over to Texas via gigantic funding from blue billionaires like George Soros.
00:46:29.000And this speaks to something broader happening across the world because what we're watching in L.A. is not a random outburst of violence.
00:46:35.000It's a direct result of democratic governance, which abandons the most basic function of the government, the safety of its law-abiding residents, by absorbing millions of migrants from around the world, no questions asked.
00:46:47.000These riots harm the poorest Americans most, but also people across the West, damaging businesses for months, if not years.
00:46:53.000Almost always, they morph into these glomfests for the revolutionary omni-cause.
00:46:57.000The pro-Hamas crowd joined in almost immediately in L.A. over the weekend, gleefully assembling their Molotov cocktails, spray-painting Death to America KKKA.
00:47:05.000On a federal building, in stark contrast, the week before last, I had the opportunity to sit down with President Viktor Orban of Hungary at CPAC in Budapest.
00:47:15.000He's a polarizing figure whose common-sense conservatism has now been branded autocratic by the left, but it has resulted in additional prosperity and security for Hungarians.
00:47:36.000As Orban mentions in our conversation, the EU actually fines Hungary 1 million euros every single day for not blindly allowing Soros-organized migrants into the country.
00:47:46.000George Soros has made Viktor Orban his target for years.
00:47:48.000As a result, Hungary's cities are not overrun by Islamists pushing Sharia law or marching leftists hiding behind humanitarian causes while burning cars in solidarity with those Islamists.
00:47:58.000Orban's approach to immigration is the precise opposite of the Biden administration's border policy or Gavin Newsom's policy.
00:48:04.000The coalition that attacks Orban looks almost precisely like the coalition in America currently attacking President Trump.
00:48:10.000From international open society NGOs to lunatic leftists who think borders are racist.
00:48:14.000When Victor Orban talks about defending borders, it's not a matter of compassion or economic capacity or anything else.
00:48:20.000It's about ending the lie that the West is fundamentally evil and therefore worthy of destruction.
00:48:25.000We're bringing you our conversation with President Orban.
00:48:28.000In this first part today, we discuss immigration, George Soros, the international left, and his hopes for an end to the war in Ukraine.
00:48:35.000So without further ado, here's part one of my interview with President Viktor Orban of Hungary.
00:48:40.000Prime Minister Orban, thank you so much for taking the time.
00:48:42.000I should probably start where I'm sure many of your interviews start.
00:48:45.000You become a very controversial, polarizing figure in the West.
00:48:49.000The press cover you a lot in the West.
00:50:29.000There is a whole business structure behind this.
00:50:32.000And behind the whole thing stands the Soros Network Foundation, who openly, in a published article, admitted that he wanted to bring in one million migrants every year to Europe.
00:51:21.000He's the one who made that an issue, not you.
00:51:23.000You simply saying no made you an obstacle to people like George Soros and to a left-wing media that really decided that you were the problem, correct?
00:52:56.000He's giving money for bad things to bad people, and this is not good, and you have to fight against this.
00:53:01.000And that's the story that actually ultimately, if you wish, actually put me there in this global discourse where they are actually paying attention to what I say.
00:53:11.000Otherwise, nobody would give a damn about what I'm saying.
00:53:13.000I mean, it's a country of 10 million people, a small army, not a huge GDP.
00:53:18.000So our weight and the attention are in no way correlation to one another.
00:53:25.000And it is the moral and the intellectual content of our struggle that made Hungary so interesting in America and American politics.
00:53:33.000Let's talk for a second about the angle of attack on you and your administration.
00:53:37.000So the angle has been that you're centralizing power, they call you undemocratic, they suggest that you're violating civil rights.
00:53:44.000How do you respond to those accusations?
00:55:31.000I actually come from the anti-communist resistance.
00:55:36.000Half illegal student movement is where I started politics.
00:55:41.000And we fought to actually bring down the communist dictatorship, to actually push the Soviet troops out of this country to come back freedom and democracy.
00:56:41.000I just acknowledge the fact that Hungary has actually reached a level of attention Where global, international left looks on you as an opponent and puts you under fire, is shooting at you, because from their perspective, we are the bad example, but from the side of the right, we are the good example.
00:57:00.000We have maintained Christianity, Christian traditions.
00:57:12.000We are supporting economic investments.
00:57:16.000To make people, to liberate people, to allow business and economy to support their freedom.
00:57:21.000It's not only that we say this and we do this, it's only our sin is also that we're successful.
00:57:27.000And not only because we've been in government for 20 years, but it's because reality is transforming and life.
00:57:33.000Freedom, respect, culture, and of course, economic results during the past 16 years have created a new quality in Hungary.
00:57:42.000So Hungary is not only different, it's not only a maverick, it's not only different from others, it's not a strange island, a conservative island of difference.
00:58:10.000But that's also true of institutions like the EU or the ICC, which you recently pulled Hungary out of specifically because the ICC was attempting to cram down particular types of pseudo-justice that you didn't agree with.
00:58:23.000How do you deal with the international organizations given the fact that you do have to work within them, especially the EU?
00:58:30.000First of all, let us understand what the phenomenon is that we are talking about.
00:58:35.000Behind this topic is re-understanding.
00:58:46.000Who were the political players in Europe before?
00:58:49.000Of course, you had the electors, the voters, and the leaders that they elected.
00:59:09.000Regardless of the fact we like him or not, Tony Blair, they were serious leaders.
00:59:15.000Today, nowadays, you tend to forget the names of contemporary leaders because the real, actual, serious political players, Are not the political leaders.
00:59:26.000There's a grey zone between the voters and the political leaders.
00:59:31.000You are in this grey zone where you form public opinion, where you are an influencer, where you are influencing the discourse.
00:59:38.000So we've seen the emergence of a world, a new world that is able to influence politics, which thanks to technological development, you are there in my pocket.
00:59:48.000I immediately see your YouTube videos.
00:59:53.000The role of people like you has increased.
00:59:57.000And so when we talk about politics, it's not only politicians, but also the zone around politicians, which is actually now shaping public opinion much more than actual politicians are.
01:00:09.000And this is a great challenge for our profession in Europe.
01:00:13.000As a result of this phenomenon, real leaders are actually disappearing.
01:00:38.000And the question is no longer whether one politician or the other has been bought off from abroad, because that is actually treason.
01:00:48.000The real question with these politicians in this grey zone around politicians, who are the ones who are actually shaping the public opinion?
01:01:09.000And when people are being financed in Hungary from abroad who actually are able to impact the opinion here, or finance from Brussels, or there are all kinds of covert USAID funding coming, then the question pops to my mind.
01:02:21.000And we actually have to find the modern regulation that allows for the freedom of opinion but excludes manipulation.
01:02:27.000So, one of the key priorities for you, obviously, has been fighting off Postmodern secularism from the left that you see in institutions like the EU or the ICC or some of these organizations, these NGOs that are being promoted inside your country.
01:02:43.000Also, obviously, you've posed yourself against radical Islamic immigration and migrant waves.
01:02:48.000What do you make of the conflict in Ukraine?
01:02:50.000Because obviously that impacts Hungary.
01:03:26.000And it's very difficult to understand for an American.
01:03:29.000It is something that was born healthy, created healthy, but became distorted.
01:03:37.000With time, it just developed in the wrong direction.
01:03:40.000Brussels and the EU used to be about European countries, nations joining hands in order to exclude the possibility of war, that there will be peace on the continent because Europe was destroyed by wars.
01:05:52.000So when we talk about Brussels, which is a special thing, you have to understand that we are supportive of European cooperation, but we are not supportive of the imperialistic ideas that are taking stronghold in Brussels, killing the nation state and taking away our...
01:07:08.000The Russians wanted to influence Kiev.
01:07:10.000But it didn't really change the balance.
01:07:12.000There was a buffer zone situation that was created.
01:07:16.000And Westerners decided, and the Ukrainians accepted this, that Ukraine doesn't need to be a buffer zone anymore.
01:07:25.000It needs to be integrated into Western structures, Western economy, Western security, Western NATO, Western markets.
01:07:33.000And they started to arm Ukraine, and they thought that a slow integration of Ukraine, which probably was supported by the Ukrainian people as well, To create more security for Europe.
01:07:47.000However, this thought was built on the hypothesis that the Russians are going to swallow this and watch this idly.
01:07:54.000The Russians said upfront that they will not watch this idly.
01:07:58.000A well-armed Ukraine armed with Western weapons, being a member of NATO or not, but fully integrated into NATO structures appears all of a sudden on the borders of Russia.
01:08:09.000They said they will not put up with that.
01:08:14.000Joe Biden was the president of the United States of America, and that was the problem.
01:08:20.000If there was a serious president leading America, let's say Donald Trump, then he would have taken the Russians seriously for what they were saying and would have prevented the war and would have said, we are all heading for a confrontation.
01:08:42.000Furthermore, they actually jumped headlong, headfirst into the war.
01:08:46.000Of course, Russians attacked Ukraine in breach of international law, and of course, The American administration, European politicians were talking more war, more war.
01:09:23.000While the American president was in office, and it wasn't Trump who was in office, we were alone.
01:09:31.000Now the Americans are pro-peace also, and one or two European countries are also pro-peace.
01:09:37.000But the majority of European Union states still wants to continue the war.
01:09:42.000My opinion is we need a ceasefire, we need peace.
01:09:46.000And we have to understand that integrating Ukraine into the Western economic and Military world is not a success.
01:09:56.000We have to sit down and discuss the future.
01:09:58.000We have to just take a step back to the kind of buffer zone concept we had pre-war, where it's always good to have this stretch between NATO and Russia, which guarantees peace to NATO and for the Russians as well.
01:11:12.000We have beaten ourselves into the ground.
01:11:14.000And while the export markets that used to be important for Hungary in the European Union, because they have left, they've sent all their money to Ukraine, there is no demand.
01:12:45.000If Vladimir Putin does not make clear what his demands are, if he doesn't move toward a 30-day ceasefire, move along with President Trump, should the Europeans and the Americans continue to support Ukraine militarily sufficient?
01:12:56.000to ensure that Russia doesn't just eat the rest of Ukraine.
01:13:20.000In the summer of 2024, when Hungary took over for six months the EU presidency, I started first by flying to Kiev, then went to Moscow, then to Beijing, and then to Mar-a-Lago.
01:14:21.000I mean, right now the Trump administration is looking to walk away from the table because they believe that maybe the Russians don't actually just want an armistice.
01:14:28.000I mean, it seems to me that this looks more like a Korean situation, like the end of the Korean War, than it looks like a negotiated actual peace, that the lines of armistice just freeze in place where they are.
01:14:39.000And Ukraine obviously isn't going to accept being disarmed the way that Russia would like, and Russia isn't going to accept giving back Crimea or giving back the Donbass region, as Ukraine would like.
01:14:49.000And so the most likely scenario basically just seems to be status quo with less murder on both sides.
01:15:27.000The one person who doesn't believe this, who thinks that it's no sense to think about winning the war, that's the president of the United States of America.
01:16:40.000It hasn't been yet said, the basic statement hasn't been made, that there is no solution to this war on the front lines.
01:16:48.000Therefore, there needs to be a ceasefire.
01:16:52.000Opposing parties, even if they say this, they are not serious about it.
01:16:56.000In reality, the Russians just want to actually reach the border lines that they wanted, the four counties that they want to occupy, that they have decided to occupy, whereas the Ukrainians want to continue the war.
01:17:12.000And are hoping that by continuing the war, they will get money, weapons, technology, reconstruction, money, money, money from Europe and perhaps from America as well.
01:17:27.000Joining us on the line is Riley Gaines, former NCAA champion swimmer and a leading advocate for women in sports.
01:17:32.000She hosts the Gaines for Girls podcast on Outkick.com, where she champions fairness and integrity in athletics.
01:17:38.000Riley, thanks so much for joining the show.
01:17:55.000I spent a lot of my time on the road, traveling all over the place.
01:17:58.000I was so excited because I got a weekend at home, a weekend to spend with my husband, my dogs, my horse.
01:18:04.000Anyways, I typically put my phone away on the weekends, and so it's Friday night.
01:18:07.000I'm just checking X, whatever it is, and I get this notification that popped up on my phone that said, Simone Biles has mentioned you in a comment.
01:18:15.000I was so excited, truthfully, when I got this.
01:18:18.000This is a woman, an athlete that I've looked up to as a role model, truthfully, for a long time for everything she's been able to accomplish in her sport and beyond.
01:18:26.000So overwhelmed with, really starstruck by this, I click on the comment.
01:18:33.000It didn't take long for me to be in total disbelief, really.
01:18:38.000I clicked on the profile, went back to the profile to make sure this wasn't a fake account.
01:18:42.000No, this was the real Simone Biles calling me truly sick, disgusting, a bully for calling out—it was actually the state of Minnesota, which, bear in mind, this happened in five blue states just a week ago, two weeks ago, where boys or teams with boys stole championship spots, qualifying spots, podium spots from— Deserving girls.
01:19:04.000Minnesota, Washington, California, Oregon, and Maine.
01:19:08.000But specifically, I was talking about the story in Minnesota where a boy pitched on their high school girls softball team.
01:19:14.000He pitched five consecutive games, 35 straight innings, 21 shutout innings, only allowed two runs over the entirety of those five games to lead his team to a state championship.
01:19:24.000I called this out, and that's where Simone Biles came in.
01:19:35.000I think partially because I know I'm on the right side of history.
01:19:38.000I'm happily married for three plus years.
01:19:40.000None of the things she said about me bothered me.
01:19:42.000It was more so upsetting to know the platform that she has, the amount of young girls that look up to her, and to see her take the stance that she did in really such a venomous, vile way in the year 2025.
01:19:55.000But what we've seen since then, that was the first tweet.
01:19:57.000What we've seen since then, this Friday evening where she commented this is she is getting absolutely destroyed and railed in all of the comment sections across all the different social media platforms, which shows you we are no longer living in 2020.
01:20:11.000So that was the first little altercation.
01:20:14.000I responded back to which she then tweeted out just moments later.
01:20:18.000She said, bully someone your own size, which would ironically be a male.
01:20:23.000I couldn't even really make sense of this at first.
01:22:17.000So I don't actually believe that she believes what she wrote.
01:22:22.000I think, of course, this was just, I mean...
01:22:27.000She's done competing, so she doesn't have to worry about getting her Olympic medal, her championship spot stolen by a man.
01:22:36.000Therefore, it's easy to say the thing that maybe in 2020 would have been the virtuous, kind, inclusive, accepting, compassionate thing to say.
01:22:45.000But again, I think we now realize that those words, the word inclusion, compassion, they've been totally hijacked, literally to mean the exact opposite.
01:22:57.000Riley, as you've been pointing out for years, the sort of Orwellian game where you're expected to repeat the words while ignoring the implications of the words, which would ultimately wipe out women's sports.
01:23:06.000It is incredible, and the American people are done with it.
01:23:10.000Thank you for your continued hard work on this, and again, amazing to see how many people are willing to mouth the words even when they clearly don't believe them.
01:23:18.000It's been radio silence from Simone Biles since, so desperately awaiting her next move.
01:23:23.000She has a Netflix docu-series, I believe, coming up.
01:23:26.000Maybe this was an attempt to put her face, her name, her profile back in the public eye, but she did it in an incredibly shameful way that I think will come back to bite her in the butt.