The Ben Shapiro Show - Trump’s Big Democratic Day | Ep. 378

00:00:00.000 President Trump spends the day as a Democrat.

00:00:02.000 He talks up President Obama's executive amnesty.

00:00:04.000 He praises a Democratic senator.

00:00:06.000 And then he cuts a ridiculous deal with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. 0.82

00:00:09.000 And he's happy about it.

00:00:10.000 We will explain why, why everyone's going nuts, and what this means for the future.

00:00:14.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:15.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:22.000 This was always the danger of a guy who has no ideology being President of the United States, is that at a certain point he'd just get frustrated with his own party and look for love in all the wrong places.

00:00:31.000 That's sort of what's happened with President Trump.

00:00:34.000 Who's to blame?

00:00:35.000 Well, of course, Trump.

00:00:36.000 But beyond Trump, obviously Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, Senate Majority Leader

00:00:41.000 Mitch McConnell.

00:00:42.000 All these people bear some share of blame and we'll discuss all of this.

00:00:44.000 We'll discuss President Trump's rich and wild day yesterday when he became Democrat for a day to the cheers of Nancy Pelosi.

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00:02:23.000 Okay, so Trump's big Democratic day.

00:02:25.000 It's like Alexander's no good, very bad, horrible, terrible day.

00:02:29.000 Except that it's the President of the United States and he decided yesterday that he was going to make his pivot.

00:02:35.000 Like Ross from Friends, he was going to take that couch and shove it up those stairs.

00:02:38.000 It was time for a pivot.

00:02:40.000 So, President Trump, he started off the day by campaigning with Heidi Heitkamp.

00:02:45.000 Heidi Heitkamp is a Democratic Senator from North Dakota. 0.99

00:02:48.000 She's super vulnerable in this election cycle because North Dakota is a very red state. 0.94

00:02:52.000 It's a state that President Trump won by some 35 points.

00:02:55.000 This would be a good opportunity to knock off a Democratic Senator, no?

00:02:58.000 And maybe add to the Republican majority in the Senate, making it easier for Trump to pass his supposed priorities.

00:03:03.000 Heidi Heitkamp has only voted with President Trump 50% of the time.

00:03:08.000 I will note here that Senator Jeff Flake, who Trump has been absolutely hammering at every available opportunity, dropping the elbow on him from the third tier, okay, that guy has been voting with Trump 94% of the time.

00:03:18.000 Heidi Heitkamp is a Democrat.

00:03:20.000 She's voted with Trump 50% of the time.

00:03:22.000 Trump goes to North Dakota with Heidi Heitkamp and proceeds to praise her for a campaign ad that she will most certainly use here as President Trump doing just that.

00:03:30.000 These are great people.

00:03:31.000 They work hard.

00:03:32.000 They're for you 100%.

00:03:33.000 And we just want their support, because we need support.

00:03:38.000 You see that with what's happening in Congress.

00:03:40.000 Nobody can get anything through Congress.

00:03:42.000 We need support.

00:03:44.000 So, thank you, Senator.

00:03:45.000 Senator Heitkamp.

00:03:46.000 Everyone's saying, what's she doing up here?

00:03:48.000 But I'll tell you what.

00:03:50.000 Yes, good woman.

00:03:51.000 And I think we'll have your support.

00:03:52.000 I hope we'll have your support.

00:03:54.000 Good woman.

00:03:54.000 Okay, great.

00:03:54.000 And thank you very much.

00:03:55.000 I'm so glad that he's now praising a Democratic Senator in the midst of an election cycle where she is highly vulnerable.

00:04:00.000 One of the most vulnerable Democratic Senators now she's got that campaign ad. 1.00

00:04:03.000 So he started off the day with that.

00:04:05.000 Then he brought Ivanka out on stage.

00:04:06.000 Ivanka, who is a Democrat.

00:04:08.000 He praised her and then he said that she really wanted to come to North Dakota with him for some odd reason.

00:04:13.000 Sometimes they'll say, you know, he can't be that bad a guy.

00:04:17.000 Look at Ivanka. 0.94

00:04:20.000 No, come on up, honey. 1.00

00:04:21.000 She's so good.

00:04:22.000 She wanted to make the trip.

00:04:23.000 She said, Dad, can I go with you?

00:04:25.000 She actually said, Daddy, can I go with you?

00:04:27.000 I like that, right?

00:04:28.000 Daddy, can I go with you?

00:04:29.000 I said, yes, you can.

00:04:31.000 Where are you going?

00:04:32.000 North Dakota.

00:04:32.000 I said, oh, I like North Dakota.

00:04:34.000 Hi, honey.

00:04:38.000 That is an independent woman with national security clearance who's basically in his cabinet. 1.00

00:04:42.000 Okay, in any case, he starts off with all this.

00:04:44.000 He's campaigning with Democrats, including his daughter, as well as Heidi Heitkamp.

00:04:48.000 Also, it came out yesterday that Trump does not want Gary Cohn, who has been on his National Economic Council, to be Fed Chair.

00:04:54.000 Why?

00:04:54.000 Because Gary Cohn was mean to him.

00:04:56.000 You remember after Charlottesville, Gary Cohn said that Trump did not necessarily represent his views on race in America.

00:05:01.000 Trump is very, very mad at him.

00:05:03.000 All of this is to say, I want to set the predicate for the big move that happened yesterday.

00:05:07.000 The big move that happened yesterday was Trump caving to Pelosi and Schumer on the debt ceiling, and I'll explain that in a second.

00:05:12.000 But I first want to set the predicate here.

00:05:14.000 The predicate here is that President Trump does not govern from policy.

00:05:17.000 President Trump governs from his gut, and that means he governs from who he likes and who he doesn't.

00:05:23.000 Heidi Heitkamp.

00:05:24.000 Voted them 50% of the time.

00:05:25.000 But he likes her.

00:05:26.000 She's a good woman.

00:05:27.000 Ivanka.

00:05:28.000 Daughter.

00:05:29.000 Likes her.

00:05:29.000 She calls him daddy.

00:05:30.000 Terrific.

00:05:31.000 Really likes her.

00:05:32.000 Gary Cohn?

00:05:32.000 Very mean guy.

00:05:34.000 Selected himself.

00:05:35.000 Can't get an upper-level cabinet position.

00:05:37.000 Not because he's wrong.

00:05:38.000 Even though Gary Cohn is wrong and is basically a career Democrat.

00:05:40.000 But that's not the reason Trump doesn't want to elevate him.

00:05:42.000 It's because Gary Cohn was mean to him.

00:05:45.000 Okay, there is a personal aspect to President Trump's decision-making when it comes to with whom he allies.

00:05:51.000 And that is a problem.

00:05:52.000 Okay, so the second thing that President Trump does yesterday is he continues to push forward his case on DACA.

00:05:58.000 So he wants President Obama's executive amnesty enshrined permanently by Congress.

00:06:04.000 I recall, I'm old enough to remember, when he ran to the right of everyone in the Republican primaries and the general, he proclaimed that America was being victimized by immigrants, both legal and illegal.

00:06:14.000 And he suggested that if we were a country without laws, where we didn't deport people who violated the law, then we could not subsist as a country.

00:06:21.000 That we would simply collapse as a country.

00:06:22.000 Well now, he is saying that President Obama's executive amnesty is great policy, it's just that Obama did it the wrong way.

00:06:29.000 He did it the wrong way.

00:06:30.000 And this is what I want to point out here.

00:06:31.000 A lot of Republicans are siding with him.

00:06:34.000 A lot of Republicans are siding with him, but that is not buying his allegiance.

00:06:38.000 So Paul Ryan yesterday came out and he said he thinks it's just great that Trump wants Congress to back down on the DACA thing and pass some form of executive amnesty, except this would be legislative amnesty.

00:06:48.000 Here is Ryan praising Trump yesterday.

00:06:50.000 So first let me say, President Obama was wrong to do it in the first place because he overstepped his constitutional bounds.

00:06:58.000 We, the President and Congress, take an oath to support and defend the Constitution.

00:07:02.000 So President Trump was right in his decision.

00:07:05.000 He made the right call.

00:07:07.000 I'm also encouraged by the fact that he gave us time to work out a consensus, to find a compromise, because these kids don't, for the most part, don't know any other home than the United States.

00:07:18.000 Okay, so here's Ryan praising Trump.

00:07:19.000 He made the right call.

00:07:20.000 It's just great.

00:07:21.000 Now, the more honest take is the take from Ann Coulter, right?

00:07:24.000 The take from Ann Coulter, who in Trump we trust.

00:07:26.000 He's gonna make a border wall.

00:07:28.000 He's gonna deport people.

00:07:29.000 Now Coulter is tweeting out, possible 2020 slogan.

00:07:32.000 I broke my promises, betrayed my friends, and used my office to help my family.

00:07:35.000 But hey, at least I'm not Hillary.

00:07:37.000 Woo! 0.99

00:07:38.000 Brutal stuff from Ann Coulter.

00:07:39.000 But, here's the point.

00:07:40.000 Ryan is praising Trump, and Democrats are ripping Trump over his revisions to DACA, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, Obama's executive amnesty.

00:07:49.000 Here is Democratic Senator Markey saying that Trump is actually like Pontius Pilate. 0.92

00:07:55.000 He's like the murderer of Jesus.

00:07:58.000 The president is acting like Pontius Pilate.

00:08:01.000 He's just washing his hands of this mess, knowing that these are all innocent young people who are caught in a crossfire.

00:08:10.000 And rather than being presidential, rather than standing up and saying that he will be the leader in working with the Republican Party to bring recalcitrant conservative Republicans to the table to get a resolution, he's just walking away.

00:08:24.000 Okay, so he's getting ripped by Democrats.

00:08:26.000 Chuck Schumer also came out and ripped him.

00:08:28.000 This is good old Senate Minority Leader Chuckie Schumer from New York ripping President Trump over DACA.

00:08:35.000 I want to cut to the chase.

00:08:38.000 The President's decision to end DACA was heartless and it was brainless.

00:08:46.000 If this order stands, hundreds, hundreds of thousands of families will be ripped apart.

00:08:52.000 Tens of thousands of American businesses will lose hardworking employees.

00:08:57.000 Okay, so remember what I just said.

00:08:58.000 What I just said is that President Trump's policymaking is largely driven by his personal like or dislike for particular politicians.

00:09:06.000 There you see Paul Ryan praising President Trump and Chuck Schumer ripping President Trump.

00:09:10.000 And yet yesterday, the person that Trump sided with was Chuck Schumer and not Paul Ryan.

00:09:14.000 So what happened to my theory?

00:09:16.000 What happened to my theory?

00:09:16.000 The theory that if President Trump likes you, he's going to treat you nicely, and if he doesn't like you, then he's going to go after you.

00:09:22.000 Wouldn't that suggest that President Trump would side with Paul Ryan?

00:09:25.000 Well, not so fast.

00:09:26.000 I'll explain why that didn't happen in just a second.

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00:11:02.000 Okay, so again.

00:11:03.000 My theory was that President Trump is driven largely by personal animus or liking for particular people.

00:11:10.000 But I just showed you clips of Paul Ryan praising Trump and Chuck Schumer ripping Trump.

00:11:13.000 So why was it that yesterday, in the third big move of the day, President Trump announced that he was going to sign what they call a debt ceiling relief package.

00:11:24.000 He was going to raise the debt ceiling.

00:11:26.000 And he was going to lump in Hurricane Harvey relief with the debt ceiling and he was only going to increase the debt ceiling by three months.

00:11:32.000 So first you have to understand what the debt ceiling is.

00:11:35.000 What the debt ceiling is, it allows the government to borrow more money in order to pay off debts that we have already incurred.

00:11:39.000 So we have to continually service our debt.

00:11:41.000 We have 20 trillion dollars in debt in the United States.

00:11:43.000 That means that we are being charged interest, we have bondholders, people have bonds we have to pay off.

00:11:48.000 And we have to borrow money in order to do that.

00:11:49.000 If Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling, the executive branch has no more capacity to borrow money, and then they have to start cutting back on some of the things they're implementing.

00:11:58.000 They may have to cut off Social Security checks.

00:12:00.000 They may have to tap emergency funds. 0.93

00:12:03.000 So every few months the debt ceiling comes up because we spend so much damn money in this country.

00:12:06.000 And what the Republicans wanted here

00:12:09.000 Was they wanted a debt ceiling increase that would take us beyond the next election cycle.

00:12:13.000 Because here's the way it works.

00:12:14.000 Every time there's a debt ceiling, then the party that is opposite of the president tries to use the debt ceiling as a way of ramming through its own policies.

00:12:23.000 You remember Republicans did this with Obama repeatedly.

00:12:25.000 They would say, okay, the debt ceiling is coming up.

00:12:27.000 We want a concession on spending.

00:12:30.000 In order for us to raise the debt ceiling.

00:12:31.000 That's what sequestration was.

00:12:32.000 If you want us to raise the debt ceiling, you're going to have to cut spending.

00:12:35.000 And then Obama said, OK, well, I'll do that.

00:12:36.000 But only if you also cut military spending. 0.97

00:12:38.000 And Republicans idiotically said, OK.

00:12:39.000 So the debt ceiling is always used as a point of leverage for people against the president of the United States in order to get him to do things that he wouldn't otherwise want to do. 0.97

00:12:48.000 So Republicans said, how about this?

00:12:50.000 How about we do one of two things?

00:12:52.000 Either we do just a clean debt ceiling increase for 18 months, and we wrap in the Hurricane Harvey relief, or we do the Hurricane Harvey relief separately, right?

00:13:02.000 That has to get done no matter what.

00:13:03.000 We shouldn't hold that up with debt ceiling discussions.

00:13:06.000 Let's just pass that as a clean package, and then we'll have a talk about debt ceiling relief.

00:13:10.000 And we'll force the Democrats to shut down the government, because if the Democrats refuse to increase the debt ceiling, then there is essentially a government shutdown.

00:13:19.000 And when that happens, then the Democrats pay the brunt of that.

00:13:22.000 Like, say that the Democrats say, let's have a government shutdown over building the wall. 0.51

00:13:27.000 Republicans say, really?

00:13:27.000 They're going to shut down all government services because they don't want to protect your security?

00:13:32.000 The debt ceiling discussion goes usually in the president's favor.

00:13:35.000 So, usually it's used as a hold-up by Congress, but the president usually wins the conversation.

00:13:39.000 That's usually how this works.

00:13:41.000 Well, right now, the Republicans were saying, let's make the debt ceiling conversation about 18 months, put it past the election so we don't have to have this fight during a midterm year, and, or, perhaps what we should do is we should pass Hurricane Harvey relief clean, and then we'll have the debt ceiling discussion in the context of other legislation Democrats want to hold up.

00:13:58.000 Trump comes in the room.

00:13:59.000 Okay, it's Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.

00:14:01.000 They feel like they have the upper hand in this discussion.

00:14:02.000 They have majorities in both houses.

00:14:04.000 Trump comes in the room.

00:14:06.000 Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are there. 0.98

00:14:07.000 And Trump basically turns to Ryan and McConnell and he says, screw you guys.

00:14:11.000 We're going to do Harvey relief and we're going to do a three-month debt ceiling increase.

00:14:17.000 Hey, increasing the debt ceiling at all, for my money, is always a mistake.

00:14:20.000 We should be looking at cuts every time we raise the debt ceiling.

00:14:23.000 But, not only that, a three-month debt relief package, a debt ceiling package, only takes us to December.

00:14:29.000 And Trump just signaled that he's willing to give Democrats anything they want whenever they hold up the debt ceiling.

00:14:35.000 So that means he's probably not going to get anything this year.

00:14:38.000 If Democrats want to hold something up, they'll hold something up because Trump basically just signaled that whatever Democrats want, he'll do it.

00:14:45.000 He didn't even negotiate.

00:14:45.000 I mean, that's what the stories are saying here.

00:14:48.000 Nancy Pelosi came in and she didn't even expect this. 0.96

00:14:50.000 Schumer didn't expect this.

00:14:51.000 They came in and they were expecting to

00:14:53.000 Go back and forth with Trump, and maybe they come up with a six-month debt ceiling increase, and in return they give the Hurricane Harvey funding, but they certainly weren't expecting a three-month debt ceiling increase, so we have to fight this again in three months, and then Democrats can use the debt ceiling as leverage in order to fight back on his immigration proposal.

00:15:10.000 This means basically no funding for the wall.

00:15:12.000 It's probably a good bet.

00:15:13.000 It also means it's going to be very difficult to pass tax reform, because obviously Trump has no stomach to fight the Democrats on this stuff.

00:15:19.000 Okay, so what happened here?

00:15:21.000 Right?

00:15:21.000 Again, for the third time, my theory was that Trump was going to side with the people he likes and against the people that he doesn't.

00:15:27.000 So what happened?

00:15:27.000 Why didn't he side with Paul Ryan?

00:15:29.000 Okay, so to understand this, first of all, I think that a little history is necessary.

00:15:33.000 I want to point out that Donald Trump knows full well that when you cave to Democrats on the debt ceiling, you're doing something wrong.

00:15:39.000 Here are some of his flashback tweets.

00:15:40.000 This would be 17, 18, and 19.

00:15:43.000 So this is Trump's tweet from back in 2013.

00:15:49.000 I am a Republican and I am embarrassed.

00:15:52.000 And then he tweeted, again, there's an old Trump tweet for every occasion.

00:15:56.000 Then he tweeted, Why do the Republicans always negotiate against themselves in public?

00:15:59.000 Watching them operate these fiscal negotiations is painful.

00:16:03.000 Okay, and then again, he tweeted, The worst negotiators in history, otherwise known as Republicans, have just offered to suspend debt ceiling for four months. 1.00

00:16:10.000 Pathetic! 0.99

00:16:12.000 He didn't even worse, right? 0.99

00:16:13.000 He offered to suspend it for three months.

00:16:16.000 Hey, there's always an old Trump tweet that comes back to haunt him.

00:16:19.000 But Trump came out yesterday and he was happy-dappy-doo over this deal.

00:16:22.000 Like, overjoyed over this deal.

00:16:23.000 Here was President Trump yesterday coming out after he makes this deal with Schumer and Pelosi, and he says, listen, everyone was happy, it was just great.

00:16:30.000 I had a great bipartisan meeting with Democrat and Republican leaders in Congress, and I'm committed to working with both parties to deliver for our wonderful, wonderful citizens.

00:16:41.000 It's about time.

00:16:42.000 We had a great meeting with Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and the whole Republican leadership group.

00:16:49.000 And I'll tell you what, we walked out of there, Mitch and Paul and everybody, Kevin, and we walked out and everybody was happy.

00:16:57.000 Not too happy, because you can never be too happy.

00:17:00.000 But they were happy enough.

00:17:02.000 And it was nice to see that happen.

00:17:03.000 Yeah, everyone was really happy, right?

00:17:05.000 Okay, here's Ms. 1.00

00:17:05.000 McConnell being happy. 1.00

00:17:10.000 We, in the meeting down at the White House, as I indicated, the President agreed with Senator Schumer and Congresswoman Pelosi to do a three-month CR.

00:17:24.000 We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

00:17:49.000 We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred, very important, always will agree on debt ceiling automatically because of the importance of it.

00:18:01.000 Also on the CRs and also on Harvey.

00:18:05.000 Which now we're going to be adding something because of what's going on in Florida.

00:18:08.000 We had a very good meeting.

00:18:10.000 We essentially came to a deal.

00:18:13.000 Okay, his entire- And I think the deal- Trump's entire shtick here.

00:18:17.000 His own secretary of the treasury said he was going for an 18 month debt ceiling increase.

00:18:22.000 His own secretary of the treasury.

00:18:23.000 He apparently cut him off in the middle of the sentence and said, I want to go with Chuck and Nancy on this.

00:18:28.000 Okay, so why?

00:18:29.000 So why?

00:18:30.000 Well, I think first we have to acknowledge a plain fact about President Trump.

00:18:32.000 President Trump was always gonna work with Democrats.

00:18:34.000 He always wanted to work with Democrats.

00:18:36.000 In fact, he sort of prefers to work with Democrats because he cares what Democrats think.

00:18:40.000 Okay, he's not just driven by personal animus against Ryan and McConnell.

00:18:44.000 There are a few other things we have to know.

00:18:45.000 Number one, Trump is not fond of his job.

00:18:48.000 He doesn't actually like being president very much.

00:18:50.000 When I say this, I don't mean that he doesn't like serving the American people.

00:18:52.000 He may very well like that.

00:18:53.000 But the aspect of his job that he doesn't like, clearly,

00:18:57.000 Is the negotiation.

00:18:58.000 It is all the stuff he said he was going to be great at.

00:19:00.000 He doesn't actually like that stuff.

00:19:02.000 What he thought is he thought he was going to be able to live the life that Grover Norquist promised him.

00:19:07.000 The life where he would sit in the White House and Mitch and Paul, they would do all the hard work and then he would just be able to sit back

00:19:14.000 And the bills would flow across his desk and he would sign them.

00:19:16.000 This was the life he was promised and this is not the life he received.

00:19:19.000 We would win and we'd win and we'd win so much because it would all be easy, right?

00:19:22.000 He would just sit there and he'd sign things that came across his desk.

00:19:25.000 And then it turns out, he has a fractious caucus, McConnell and Ryan can't get their act together, the Republicans can't get their act together, and he's angry at that.

00:19:32.000 He doesn't like that.

00:19:33.000 That's not totally unjustified.

00:19:35.000 Everyone in the Republican caucus is very frustrated with the divisions inside the Republican caucus.

00:19:39.000 But he had expectations that were not fulfilled.

00:19:42.000 The expectation was going to be that his job was going to be easy.

00:19:44.000 It's not easy.

00:19:46.000 He doesn't want to do the negotiation and the wheeling and the dealing.

00:19:48.000 He's never been that good of a negotiator.

00:19:50.000 I mean, this is the dirty little secret about President Trump.

00:19:52.000 He has never been a good negotiator.

00:19:53.000 Look at the deals that he's made in business in the past.

00:19:56.000 He radically overpaid for Trump Airlines, to take one example.

00:19:58.000 But he's never been known, even in the real estate community, as a great dealmaker.

00:20:02.000 He's been known as a fantastic brander.

00:20:04.000 And that's what he's good at, is branding things, but not negotiations.

00:20:07.000 And so he's upset with the Republicans.

00:20:09.000 He's upset with Ryan and McConnell in a way he's not upset with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:20:13.000 Because he had no expectations from Schumer and Pelosi that they were ever going to work with him or be nice to him. 0.97

00:20:17.000 But he thought that Ryan and McConnell should be going around basically kissing his ass all day long and then passing bills that he can sign. 0.92

00:20:24.000 These were their two jobs, and they fulfilled neither of them. 0.92

00:20:27.000 Remember that back in 2016, Trump had to be convinced not to help Paul Nehlin primary Paul Ryan in 2016.

00:20:35.000 Breitbart was pushing him very hard to do it, and Trump was really on the verge of doing it.

00:20:39.000 And then Trump backed off of it because Mike Pence basically stepped in.

00:20:43.000 Another relevant fact to this.

00:20:45.000 Trump does care what Democrats think.

00:20:47.000 He does care what they think.

00:20:49.000 And one of the great lies that's been told about President Trump is that he's a man of power and toughness who doesn't care what anyone thinks about him. 0.60

00:20:56.000 Absolute horse nonsense. 0.96

00:20:57.000 Absolute nonsense. 0.98

00:20:58.000 He's a very insecure guy.

00:21:00.000 Again, this is not a rip on him, this is just an analysis of his personality, which you need to understand in order to know why he's doing what he's doing.

00:21:06.000 President Trump is not a secure dude.

00:21:09.000 President Trump is the kind of guy where when, I think it was Vanity Fair Magazine, a guy who now works at Vanity Fair, he used to work over at like Mad Magazine, used to make fun all the time of Trump's hand size.

00:21:19.000 Trump used to send him pictures of his hand and circle them, and write, not small, in gold marker on them.

00:21:25.000 Okay, Trump is not a very secure man.

00:21:28.000 And that means that he cares deeply what Democrats think.

00:21:31.000 You have to understand where Trump came from in order to get this.

00:21:33.000 Okay, Trump is considered a nouveau riche by the people who are sort of Manhattan upper crust elite.

00:21:38.000 He was considered sort of the boar at the dinner party. 0.96

00:21:41.000 He was the ugly American at the nice dinner parties in New York. 1.00

00:21:44.000 He was this brash guy who was going to stroll in and take over the dinner party. 0.99

00:21:47.000 The obnoxious American who was going to wipe his nose with his tie in the middle of dinner. 1.00

00:21:52.000 And Trump always hated that.

00:21:53.000 He always wanted to be taken seriously by this crowd.

00:21:56.000 It's why he still does interviews with Maggie Haberman over at the New York Times, right?

00:22:00.000 It's not because he loves Maggie Haberman personally, per se.

00:22:02.000 It's because he does care what the New York Times thinks of him.

00:22:04.000 That's the newspaper that he reads.

00:22:07.000 So, he cares what Democrats think.

00:22:08.000 He cares what Schumer and Pelosi think.

00:22:10.000 He likes Schumer and Pelosi.

00:22:11.000 In fact, he said back in 2016 that he liked Schumer and Pelosi.

00:22:14.000 Here is Trump back in 2016 saying exactly this.

00:22:17.000 I'm going to be able to get along with Pelosi.

00:22:20.000 I think I'm going to be able to.

00:22:21.000 I've always had a good relationship with Nancy Pelosi.

00:22:23.000 I've never had a problem.

00:22:25.000 Reid's going to be gone.

00:22:25.000 I always had a decent relationship with Reid.

00:22:28.000 Although lately, obviously, I haven't been dealing with him.

00:22:30.000 So they'll actually use my name as the ultimate, you know, as the ultimate of the billionaires in terms of, you know, people you don't want.

00:22:38.000 But I always had a great relationship with Harry Reid.

00:22:40.000 And frankly, if I weren't running for office, I'd be able to deal with her.

00:22:44.000 I'd be able to deal with Reid.

00:22:45.000 I'd be able to deal with anybody.

00:22:46.000 I think I'd be able to get along very well with Nancy Pelosi and just about everybody.

00:22:52.000 Hey, look, I think I'll be able to get along well with Schumer, Chuck Schumer.

00:22:55.000 I was always very good with Schumer.

00:22:56.000 I was close to Schumer in many ways.

00:22:58.000 And, you know, it's important that you get along.

00:23:00.000 It's wonderful to say you're a maverick and you're going to stand up and you're going to close up the country and all of the things.

00:23:06.000 But you gotta get somebody to go along with you.

00:23:08.000 You know, you have a lot of people.

00:23:10.000 We have a system.

00:23:10.000 The founders created a system.

00:23:12.000 This is 2016.

00:23:13.000 He was saying all of this.

00:23:14.000 In the middle of 2016, he actually said, if the Republicans lose the Senate but I become president, I'm fine with that.

00:23:18.000 I'll work with Democrats.

00:23:20.000 He said that at the time.

00:23:20.000 He pointed it out in the middle of the election cycle.

00:23:23.000 No shocker here.

00:23:24.000 No shocker here, he cares what Schumer and Pelosi think.

00:23:26.000 He wants to work with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:23:28.000 He thinks it makes him look cool to work with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:23:30.000 The New York Times will like him more if he works with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:23:34.000 I'll explain more what the biggest problem here is, and it's not even Trump, okay?

00:23:37.000 Because I think that Trump can be given incentives to move back in the right column here, but I want to explain what the real kicker to all of this.

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00:25:21.000 Chuck Schumer, by the way, has been saying the same thing about Trump.

00:25:23.000 So Trump was saying, I would love to make sweet political love to the Democrats.

00:25:27.000 And the Democrats, even for the past few weeks, have been saying, you know, we'd work with Trump if he would just stop being so extreme.

00:25:33.000 If he'd just stop being so extreme.

00:25:34.000 Here's Chuck Schumer saying this just a few weeks ago.

00:25:37.000 If he changes, he could have a different presidency.

00:25:40.000 But he's going to have to tell the Freedom Caucus and the hard-right special wealthy interests, who are dominating his presidency, but he didn't campaign for them, he campaigned on the opposite.

00:25:49.000 He's going to have to tell them he can't work with them.

00:25:52.000 And we'll certainly look at his proposals, but it's going to be guided by our values.

00:25:57.000 On the one hand, we're not going to oppose things because the name Trump is on it.

00:26:00.000 But we're not going to compromise our values away and help the well-to-do and hurt the middle class and the poorer people.

00:26:08.000 That's what he's been doing so far.

00:26:10.000 Okay, so here's the thing, right?

00:26:12.000 It was all set up for this.

00:26:14.000 The big thing here is that Trump's base is going to go along with him.

00:26:17.000 This is the change, right?

00:26:18.000 This is what's different.

00:26:19.000 There were lots of Republicans who would have worked with Democrats.

00:26:21.000 There are lots of Republicans who would have caved in exactly the same ways.

00:26:25.000 Jeb Bush would have done exactly what was being done here, maybe even less, right?

00:26:29.000 Jeb Bush probably would have actually stood up to Pelosi and Schumer more strongly here.

00:26:32.000 But the idea that this is Trump being strong, this is Trump being powerful, this is Trump being a negotiator,

00:26:37.000 Absolute nonsense.

00:26:38.000 He bent over for Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi yesterday on the debt ceiling.

00:26:43.000 Okay, when John Boehner did this, I'm old enough to remember, when John Boehner did this with Barack Obama, we reamed him.

00:26:48.000 This is the second time in the last six months that Republicans have gone along with the Democratic program.

00:26:53.000 You remember just a few months ago, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump, they went along with a Democratic $1.1 trillion budget that did not even include cuts to funding to Planned Parenthood or funding for the border wall.

00:27:04.000 Remember, we've done this already.

00:27:05.000 And Trump said, don't worry, we'll have that fight in September.

00:27:08.000 Now it's September.

00:27:09.000 Are we gonna have that fight in September?

00:27:10.000 No, we're not.

00:27:11.000 Now he says, oh, we'll have that fight in December.

00:27:13.000 Hmm, will we?

00:27:14.000 Interesting.

00:27:15.000 Okay, why is he getting away with this?

00:27:17.000 Why is Trump getting away with this?

00:27:18.000 He's getting away with this because there are a lot of members of Trump's base who are fine with this.

00:27:22.000 Trump is in a very comfortable situation.

00:27:25.000 The CNN poll that came out a few weeks ago, 61% of Republicans, 61% of Republicans,

00:27:31.000 No, it's not a chess game.

00:27:55.000 You are just not willing to acknowledge that President Trump is making caves to Pelosi and Schumer, not out of strategic necessity, but because it's something that he wants to do.

00:28:03.000 Because Trump was never that conservative.

00:28:05.000 Now, are you right to be angry with Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan?

00:28:09.000 See, here's the justification that I'm hearing today.

00:28:11.000 The justification that I'm hearing today from a lot of people is, what do you expect Trump to do?

00:28:15.000 He wants to get stuff done.

00:28:16.000 Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, they're not sending bills to his desk.

00:28:18.000 What do you want him to do?

00:28:20.000 Totally fair to say that Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan should be spending bills to his desk.

00:28:24.000 I fail to understand, however, how the legitimate alternative to that is caving to Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

00:28:32.000 Explain to me that one.

00:28:34.000 Explain to me all the people who said that it was so important to defeat Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and that's why we all had to vote Trump.

00:28:40.000 I need it explained to me why it is that it is so important that Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan provide legislation to Trump's desk that Trump must do deals with Pelosi and Schumer.

00:28:52.000 Isn't it possible that maybe he just shouldn't do deals with anyone?

00:28:55.000 Maybe it'd be better if he didn't.

00:28:56.000 I thought that was the whole premise here, was that it was important to stop the Democratic agenda, not that it was important to forward the Democratic agenda if the Republican agenda wouldn't be forwarded by Republicans in Congress.

00:29:07.000 The dirty little secret here is that, again, reactionary politics is infusing and infecting the right.

00:29:12.000 So the right was reacting against Hillary Clinton when they picked the guy they thought could hit hardest in Trump.

00:29:18.000 Understandable.

00:29:18.000 Now, a lot of the Trump supporters are reacting not against Schumer and Pelosi, legitimate political enemies, they're reacting against McConnell and Ryan.

00:29:26.000 Because the idea here is that McConnell and Ryan are the real enemies.

00:29:29.000 Now they've forgotten why McConnell and Ryan are the enemies, right?

00:29:32.000 They've forgotten that McConnell and Ryan are the bad guys because they caved to Schumer and Pelosi.

00:29:35.000 So the logic now goes like this.

00:29:37.000 McConnell.

00:29:38.000 Ryan. 0.99

00:29:39.000 Absolute cucks, these people. 0.99

00:29:40.000 They just cave to the Democrats all the time. 1.00

00:29:42.000 These cuck, terrible cowards. 1.00

00:29:44.000 How dare they? 1.00

00:29:45.000 They're constantly caving to Democrats.

00:29:47.000 And that's why we need Trump, because he'll stand up.

00:29:49.000 And then Trump...

00:29:51.000 But Trump is good because he's caving to Pelosi and Schumer.

00:29:54.000 And if Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan said no to Trump, then they'd be standing in the way of Trump. 0.90

00:29:58.000 And that would make them cocks, you understand? 0.99

00:30:00.000 So if they support Pelosi and Schumer, they're cocks. 0.98

00:30:02.000 And if they don't support Pelosi and Schumer and Trump, then they're cocks. 0.96

00:30:06.000 You get how this works?

00:30:08.000 I don't because it doesn't make any sense, okay?

00:30:10.000 There's no logical sense there when you attach principle to the discussion.

00:30:13.000 But if principle is out the window, if we're just so mad at Ryan and McConnell that anything that humiliates Ryan and McConnell is good, then what Trump did is good.

00:30:21.000 It would've been bad if Hillary did it, of course. 1.00

00:30:23.000 But if Trump does it, it's fine, because Trump's doing it exactly to humiliate Ryan and McConnell.

00:30:28.000 And you never know, maybe by doing this, here's the 4D chess move, maybe he'll force McConnell and Ryan to actually move to the right.

00:30:35.000 Now, here is the kicker to all of this.

00:30:37.000 Okay, to this particular logic.

00:30:38.000 I was thinking about this a lot this morning, because I was thinking, hey, maybe that's right.

00:30:41.000 Maybe that's right.

00:30:41.000 Maybe the goal here is that Trump is moving with Democrats because he wants to force McConnell and Ryan to get their act together and provide him legislation that he can sign.

00:30:48.000 And if they won't do it, I'll go to the other side.

00:30:51.000 Maybe that's what's going on.

00:30:52.000 Except this neglects the key point of the entire Trump campaign.

00:30:55.000 Okay, the key point of the entire Trump campaign, which I will tell you in just one second.

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00:32:29.000 Okay, so here is the point and why the logic falls apart as far as Trump is going to put pressure.

00:32:34.000 He's going to put pressure on the Republicans by working with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:32:37.000 The entire premise of Donald Trump's campaign is that Ryan and McConnell were weaklings who wanted to work with Schumer and Pelosi.

00:32:46.000 That was the entire premise.

00:32:47.000 We can't trust the Republicans not to cave.

00:32:50.000 So now your suggestion is the Republicans are going to get so scared of Trump caving to Schumer and Pelosi that they are going to start passing conservative legislation.

00:33:00.000 Do you really believe that?

00:33:01.000 You really think that's true?

00:33:03.000 Or is it more likely that what's going to happen here is McConnell is just going to go along for the ride?

00:33:07.000 Because now he doesn't get blamed for lefty policy.

00:33:10.000 McConnell and Ryan don't get blamed for anything now.

00:33:12.000 Trump just got rid of their responsibility for being conservative.

00:33:16.000 They don't have to be conservative.

00:33:18.000 Now they can just point to Trump and say, hey, I'm going along with the big guy.

00:33:21.000 Right?

00:33:22.000 In the end, the President of the United States has to be the driver, particularly when he runs as an anti-establishment guy who's going to bring the conservative wood to people like Ryan and McConnell.

00:33:32.000 Ryan and McConnell have no interest in pushing conservative legislation counter to what Trump is doing here.

00:33:37.000 They're willing to go along for the ride.

00:33:40.000 And this was the problem with electing somebody who has no ideological bent.

00:33:44.000 Again, this is not a rip on people who voted for Trump over Hillary.

00:33:47.000 It's not at all.

00:33:48.000 I understand the logic and it still holds.

00:33:50.000 But it holds less when the President of the United States is now mimicking Hillary Clinton in these deals.

00:33:57.000 Okay, the deal that Trump just signed with Pelosi and Schumer yesterday is absolutely no different from anything that Hillary Clinton would have signed with Schumer and Pelosi yesterday.

00:34:05.000 It doesn't mean everything Trump has done is Schumer and Pelosi, is Hillary.

00:34:09.000 Obviously not.

00:34:10.000 But the point is that if Trump does make this pivot,

00:34:13.000 Over to Schumer and Pelosi.

00:34:14.000 And it looks like he's enjoying this pivot.

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00:35:31.000 This isn't just a fake move.

00:35:32.000 This is actually real trouble.

00:35:34.000 So this morning, President Trump tweets out this.

00:35:37.000 Okay, this is 20.

00:35:39.000 President Trump tweets out that he says, quote, So what he means by this, presumably, is that if you are a person who has been granted sort of temporary amnesty under DACA, we're not going to move to deport you.

00:35:58.000 There are a lot of people on the left who are confused by this, suggesting that Trump wasn't saying you need to go renew.

00:36:03.000 You do need to go renew if you want to renew.

00:36:05.000 But Trump tweets this out.

00:36:06.000 And then the news breaks from Heather Cagle and a bunch of other people in the media.

00:36:11.000 Source tells me Nancy Pelosi called Trump this morning, asked him to tweet this.

00:36:16.000 Yes, you heard that correctly.

00:36:17.000 Nancy Pelosi legitimately asked Donald Trump to tweet something and Donald Trump went ahead and then tweeted it.

00:36:24.000 Okay, that is where we are right now.

00:36:25.000 So no one could control Donald Trump's Twitter feed except for Nancy Pelosi.

00:36:31.000 No one could control it.

00:36:32.000 John Kelly couldn't control it.

00:36:33.000 Reince Priebus couldn't control it.

00:36:34.000 Ivanka couldn't control it. 0.97

00:36:35.000 No one could control it except for Nancy Pelosi.

00:36:39.000 This is a quote from Nancy Pelosi this morning, quote,

00:36:42.000 I was telling my colleagues, this is what I asked the president to do.

00:36:46.000 And boom, boom, boom, the tweet appeared.

00:36:49.000 First of all, Nancy Pelosi should never say boom, boom, boom.

00:36:51.000 But the point is that she asked Trump to do this and Trump did it.

00:36:55.000 And Trump's loving it.

00:36:56.000 He's enjoying it.

00:36:57.000 This is the guy Trump wanted to be.

00:36:59.000 Someone suggested that what Trump actually wanted to be was sort of mayor of New York.

00:37:05.000 Mayor of New York works with Democrats.

00:37:06.000 Mayor of New York gets to be very brash, gets to be Ed Koch.

00:37:09.000 And I think there's some truth to that.

00:37:10.000 That's sort of how he's running this thing.

00:37:12.000 And listen to this, are you ready for this?

00:37:14.000 Nancy Pelosi, this is a quote from Huffington Post.

00:37:17.000 Nancy Pelosi says Trump promised her he would sign the DREAM Act.

00:37:21.000 House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said Thursday President Trump told her on two occasions he supports and would sign a bill to give legal status to young undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S.

00:37:30.000 as children.

00:37:31.000 We made it very clear in the course of the conversation that the priority was to pass the DREAM Act.

00:37:36.000 Obviously it has to be bipartisan.

00:37:37.000 The President supports that.

00:37:39.000 He would sign it.

00:37:40.000 But we have to get it passed.

00:37:42.000 So Trump is pledging to do exactly what Ann Coulter did not want him to do.

00:37:45.000 Exactly what he said he would not do.

00:37:47.000 Why is he doing all of that?

00:37:49.000 Because Trump does not have any ideology.

00:37:51.000 Trump wants to get things done.

00:37:53.000 He doesn't care what those things are.

00:37:54.000 All of the talking points that were used for why Trump was going to be a great president, because he wants to get things done, because he's non-ideological, there are costs to having a non-ideological president.

00:38:04.000 There are serious costs.

00:38:05.000 And if you think that this makes Mitch McConnell sad, if you think that Mitch McConnell's really upset about this, then why is Mitch McConnell going along with the debt ceiling deal?

00:38:12.000 He could stop it.

00:38:13.000 He's the head of the Senate.

00:38:15.000 He has a legitimate lawmaking authority.

00:38:17.000 Paul Ryan could stop it too.

00:38:19.000 None of them are going to stop it.

00:38:20.000 And by the way, for all the people who are suggesting that, you know, there's no reason for conservatives to be upset today, I'm going to use the old test that so many people have been using for the last two years.

00:38:29.000 Does it give the media the sads, or does it make the media happy?

00:38:33.000 Are the media sad or happy, right?

00:38:35.000 This is what we've been told is the great appeal of President Trump, is that no matter what he does, it gives the media the sads.

00:38:41.000 Okay, I want to show you Dana Bash from CNN.

00:38:44.000 Hates President Trump. 0.85

00:38:45.000 Thinks President Trump's the worst. 1.00

00:38:47.000 Thinks the Republicans suck. 1.00

00:38:49.000 Okay, here is Dana Bash from CNN. 0.99

00:38:51.000 I want you to look at the faces of the other people on set, if you can see it.

00:38:54.000 If not, I will explain it to you.

00:38:55.000 Okay, here is Dana Bash on the set of CNN.

00:38:57.000 She cannot contain her glee.

00:39:01.000 What happened is that the president completely surprised everybody, the Republicans and the Democrats, by effectively ignoring the pleas from Republicans to go, Republican leaders in Congress, to go along with what they thought was a plan to push for an extension, first of all, at the most, excuse me, at the very least, 18 months.

00:39:26.000 We're good.

00:39:56.000 At that point, the Republican leader, the Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said, OK, well, if we're going to do that, let's at least extend the funding for the government so that we have it all in one package.

00:40:05.000 And I was told that the Republican leaders were shell-shocked.

00:40:08.000 They didn't expect it.

00:40:10.000 Certainly the Democrats didn't expect it.

00:40:12.000 They thought that they were just going to come out with a kind of agreeing to disagree situation, which they usually do.

00:40:19.000 And that's not what happened at all.

00:40:21.000 Look how happy she is, okay?

00:40:22.000 Look how happy all the other panelists are.

00:40:23.000 Everyone's happy.

00:40:24.000 You know, when Trump said everyone's happy, he shouldn't mean the media.

00:40:27.000 Remember, these are the fake news!

00:40:28.000 This is the fake news media!

00:40:29.000 This is CNN! 0.98

00:40:30.000 They're the worst!

00:40:31.000 These are the people that he tackles gifts of, right?

00:40:35.000 And there's Dana Bash just chortling it up. 0.86

00:40:37.000 Now, you would expect conservatives might pick up on this and say, well, maybe Trump should back off of this sort of thing if he's pleasing the Democrats and the media and Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are happy-dappy-do.

00:40:46.000 No.

00:40:47.000 Okay, so I want to show you

00:40:48.000 What I think is the most indicative clip of how a lot of Republicans responded to Trump stay as a Democrat yesterday, and this is the most troubling thing.

00:40:56.000 This is what I was always afraid of.

00:40:57.000 I was afraid of the soul-sucking of the Republican Party away from conservatism and toward whatever Trump wanted to do, because the glow, the afterglow, the almost post-sexual afterglow of defeating Hillary Clinton meant Trump could do whatever he wanted.

00:41:09.000 Lou Dobbs, okay?

00:41:10.000 Lou Dobbs, who is a border hawk of border hawks, right?

00:41:12.000 He's Ann Coulter, except he's old and male, okay?

00:41:15.000 Lou Dobbs

00:41:17.000 He was a... I remember when he was a fiscal conservative, Lou Dobbs.

00:41:20.000 Okay, here is Lou Dobbs talking about the debt ceiling deal that Trump just cut, and look what he's saying, okay?

00:41:25.000 This is totally... It's amazing.

00:41:27.000 I like Lou, but this is amazing.

00:41:29.000 The president not only took Rhino Ryan to the woodshed, but eliminated any need for any Republican to ever pretend again that Ryan is a real Republican in any way, or that any Rhino has a political future after Mr. Trump simply booted the hapless fool of a speaker out of the way of those trying to get the nation's business done. 0.70

00:41:55.000 What?

00:41:56.000 What now?

00:41:58.000 Huh? 0.98

00:41:59.000 Does that mean if Obama cuts that exact same deal with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, then Ryan is the hero for stopping it, and the sucker and the rhino for going along with it. 0.96

00:42:08.000 But if Trump makes the deal with Schumer and Pelosi, we booted that rhino right off the road. 0.96

00:42:12.000 I mean, look at that.

00:42:14.000 No one ever has to pretend that Ryan's a rhino again.

00:42:16.000 You know, if that rhino Ryan weren't really a rhino, he would have just said, find it, Pelosi and Schumer.

00:42:21.000 What in the world?

00:42:23.000 What in the world?

00:42:24.000 Why not just make Nancy Pelosi president? 0.94

00:42:25.000 Then you'd really show that Paul Ryan guy a thing or two.

00:42:28.000 Why not give her power in the House? 0.99

00:42:29.000 You really want to screw with Paul Ryan?

00:42:31.000 That dude's Speaker.

00:42:32.000 Nancy Pelosi's just the House Minority Leader. 0.85

00:42:34.000 If Trump really wants to show that he hates rhinos, he should make Nancy Pelosi Speaker of the House.

00:42:38.000 That's what he should do.

00:42:39.000 He should make sure the Republicans lose their elections in 2018. 0.96

00:42:41.000 Wouldn't that show that jackass Ryan? 1.00

00:42:44.000 My goodness, I mean, come on, Ryan pansy rhino jerk. 1.00

00:42:49.000 What in the world? 0.99

00:42:51.000 Again, I thought the opposition to Ryan was based on the fact that Ryan is too soft on Democrats, not on the fact that he's just a guy whose last name is Ryan.

00:43:00.000 Like, what?

00:43:04.000 I mean, I was talking to somebody last night and I said, basically, Republicans now break down into three groups.

00:43:09.000 Okay, here are the three groups of Republicans.

00:43:11.000 Republicans who care about policy.

00:43:12.000 Okay, these are people who have disagreed about Trump.

00:43:14.000 Okay, I care about policy.

00:43:15.000 Ann Coulter cares about policy.

00:43:17.000 There are a bunch of people who disagree on all these issues who care about policy.

00:43:20.000 But we're all one group.

00:43:22.000 Then there's a second group of people. 1.00

00:43:23.000 People who don't care about policy at all and will just kiss Trump's ass no matter what he does. 1.00

00:43:27.000 I think we all know who those people are. 0.99

00:43:29.000 And then there's a third group of people who pretend that they're members of group one but are actually members of group two.

00:43:33.000 People who pretend that they're principled but they're actually people who will just follow Trump anywhere.

00:43:38.000 Following Trump anywhere means that you are not providing any incentive for him to move back in the right lane.

00:43:44.000 If you're a conservative and you think that Trump is going to move back right because you're praising him for working with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, what exactly is the check here?

00:43:54.000 Okay, time for a couple of quick things I like, quick things I hate, and then the big idea, and we'll cram it all in in the next two and a half minutes.

00:44:01.000 Aha.

00:44:01.000 Okay, so, time for some things I like.

00:44:03.000 So, God help us, I'm actually going to say a thing that I like is the Michael Mowles show.

00:44:07.000 So, congratulations to our own Michael Mowles for the first time he's done something I like.

00:44:12.000 What did Michael Mowles do on his podcast?

00:44:14.000 Well, he had me on yesterday.

00:44:16.000 So, if you want to go listen to a great interview, he's actually a really good interviewer, Michael.

00:44:20.000 And if you want to go listen to what is a really kind of interesting philosophical discussion, go over and download the Michael Moll's show.

00:44:26.000 Give him a boost on iTunes by downloading, subscribing, and leaving him a review.

00:44:30.000 Michael's show is really good.

00:44:32.000 It's actually turned into a really good show.

00:44:34.000 When it first started, I thought, no way we should have given this guy a show.

00:44:37.000 And then I thought again, no way we should have given this guy a show.

00:44:40.000 I still think we shouldn't have given this guy a show.

00:44:42.000 Now that he has one, you should go listen to it because it's actually pretty good.

00:44:44.000 So go check out the Michael Noll's show.

00:44:46.000 I mock because I am lukewarm.

00:44:48.000 So, not because I love, but because I like, sort of.

00:44:51.000 So go check out the Michael Noll's show.

00:44:54.000 It is well worth checking out.

00:44:55.000 Again, subscribe and leave a review.

00:44:58.000 We'll save the other thing I like for tomorrow, I think.

00:44:59.000 Okay, let's do a couple of things that I hate.

00:45:06.000 So, there are a couple of reasons why Donald Trump should not trust Democrats.

00:45:10.000 One, they congenitally lie about politics.

00:45:12.000 And two, they congenitally lie about politics.

00:45:15.000 So, Chuck Schumer yesterday comes out and he's asked about Robert Menendez.

00:45:18.000 Robert Menendez is the senator from New Jersey who's in the middle of a corruption trial because basically there was this guy who was a campaign's owner named Solomon Mengen?

00:45:25.000 Megan?

00:45:27.000 And he gave... Melgen.

00:45:30.000 Melgen.

00:45:30.000 He gave a bunch of money to Bob Menendez.

00:45:33.000 Bob Menendez apparently basically directed, allegedly, contracts toward him, and in return, Bob Menendez was granted these very expensive vacations, and the allegation is hookers, and all sorts of other fun treats.

00:45:46.000 Chuck Schumer was asked about Bob Menendez, and Chuck Schumer basically said, no, we'll stand by him.

00:45:50.000 I mean, why wouldn't we stand by him?

00:45:51.000 For God's sake, we stood by Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.

00:45:53.000 What did he do wrong?

00:45:58.000 Look, Senator Menendez is issuing a spirited defense.

00:46:05.000 We all believe in the presumption of innocence in this country, and Senator Menendez is fighting very hard, and we respect that greatly.

00:46:16.000 Okay, so there he is, refusing to move away from the guy who may have been involved in a number of nefarious activities.

00:46:23.000 Even if he's convicted, Schumer says, he may not move away from him.

00:46:25.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:46:27.000 So the view, which is just a pack of jackals trying to eat each other's feet.

00:46:32.000 It's really quite an awful show.

00:46:34.000 As I said last week, you don't need a female Lord of the Flies that already exists. 1.00

00:46:38.000 Joy Behar in this version of Lord of the Flies would be Jack.

00:46:41.000 In any case, Joy Behar was on with Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

00:46:45.000 I don't know why Sarah Huckabee Sanders would agree to do this. 0.99

00:46:47.000 She was on the show with Mike Huckabee, with her dad.

00:46:50.000 Why would you agree to do this?

00:46:51.000 As like an independent woman, why would you agree to do this? 0.98

00:46:54.000 As an independent human, why would you agree to do this?

00:46:56.000 Unless it was going to be like a warm and fuzzy interview.

00:46:58.000 It's like, I'm gonna bring my daddy to work day.

00:47:00.000 Like, really?

00:47:02.000 And then Joy Behar does this routine. 1.00

00:47:04.000 I mean, this is the most condescending sexist thing that I've heard on TV in a long time.

00:47:08.000 And of course it's coming out of the mouth of a person who considers herself the great apex feminist. 1.00

00:47:13.000 Here she is going after Sarah Huckabee Sanders by asking her daddy why her daddy lets her defend Trump. 0.98

00:47:20.000 Let's not pretend that he hasn't said some horrifying things about women.

00:47:25.000 Okay?

00:47:25.000 We know that.

00:47:26.000 Just not.

00:47:28.000 You don't have to say anything, just not, because you know it's true.

00:47:31.000 Blink.

00:47:31.000 Having said that, how can you let your daughter defend him?

00:47:34.000 Well, he's also empowered a lot of women.

00:47:36.000 I mean, he's given my daughter an incredible opportunity.

00:47:38.000 I don't care about Mike Huckabee's answer to anything.

00:47:39.000 Mike Huckabee's Mike Huckabee.

00:47:40.000 But I do care about the question, right?

00:47:42.000 The question, how do you let your daughter... I thought that that went out with feminism. 1.00

00:47:46.000 How do you let your daughter?

00:47:47.000 Right?

00:47:48.000 How do you let your daughter is not a question we're allowed to ask anymore, I thought.

00:47:51.000 Right, at least once the daughter reaches the age of maturity.

00:47:54.000 You're not allowed to say, how do you let your daughter do X?

00:47:56.000 Well, the answer is, she's a full-grown woman who's the press secretary to the President of the United States. 0.99

00:48:01.000 She can do whatever the hell she wants. 0.86

00:48:03.000 It's amazing how all of the leftist tropes about feminism go right out the window when it doesn't serve their agenda. 1.00

00:48:07.000 Okay, I want to make a quick note of the big idea.

00:48:11.000 I was going to do the debt ceiling this week on the big idea.

00:48:15.000 I think I'm going to save it for next week instead, the importance of the debt ceiling, why it matters, and the national debt.

00:48:20.000 Or maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

00:48:21.000 But we've run out of time, unfortunately, because there was just so much news today.

00:48:25.000 We will be back here tomorrow with all the rest of the news.

00:48:27.000 President Trump.

00:48:28.000 I implore you, stop thinking Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are your friends.

00:48:32.000 They are not your friends. 0.99

00:48:33.000 They are going to be your friends just so long as they have to be until they can stab you directly between the shoulder blades. 0.62

00:48:39.000 Wait to see how much fun Nancy Pelosi is in 2019 if she's the Speaker of the House and moving to impeach you. 1.00

00:48:45.000 Then see if this was all worth it.

00:48:47.000 No matter how much you hate Ryan and McConnell, the fact is, Ryan and McConnell are a better vehicle for moving forward conservative agenda items than freaking Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

00:48:55.000 This is insanity.

00:48:56.000 We'll be back tomorrow.

00:48:57.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:48:58.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 07, 2017

Trump’s Big Democratic Day | Ep. 378

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