The Ben Shapiro Show - June 11, 2026


Trump’s Escalation Against Iran Explained

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When you have a 29-point lead and you re walloped the opposing team on its home court, there is truly only one answer: put the pedal to the metal. No soft defense, no playing not to lose. It turns out, in both basketball and war, you can only win if you win the second half.

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00:00:00.000 It turns out that when you have a 29 point lead and you're walloping the opposing team on its home court, there is truly only one answer.
00:00:06.000 Put the pedal to the metal.
00:00:07.000 You have to win.
00:00:08.000 No soft defense.
00:00:10.000 No playing not to lose.
00:00:12.000 Oh, sorry.
00:00:13.000 I thought I was talking about the Spurs Knicks game.
00:00:15.000 It turns out I was talking about the Iran war.
00:00:17.000 It turns out that in both basketball and war, you can only win if you win the second half. 0.63
00:00:22.000 And it turns out it's dumb to think you can win the big games by implementing a losing strategy. 0.68
00:00:26.000 The media and their allies keep saying the only way to win the war in Iran is to lose, to let Iran have a path to a bomb, give them a boatload of cash.
00:00:33.000 Begged them to leave the Strait of Hormuz alone. 1.00
00:00:35.000 The alternative, they say, is endless war, which of course is stupid. 0.97
00:00:38.000 We could also do this thing called winning, which is what it seems President Trump may be considering anew. 0.98
00:00:44.000 Let me explain. 0.51
00:00:51.000 Turns out it's dumb to think you can win the big games by implementing a losing strategy.
00:00:55.000 It's true in basketball.
00:00:57.000 It is also true in war.
00:00:58.000 The media and their allies keep saying the only way to win the war in Iran is to lose.
00:01:02.000 You know, let Iran have a path toward a bomb, give them a boatload of cash, and beg them to leave the Strait of Hormuz alone.
00:01:08.000 The alternative, they say, is endless war. 0.99
00:01:11.000 That's really dumb. 1.00
00:01:12.000 Both of those alternatives are super stupid. 1.00
00:01:14.000 First of all, it doesn't have to be an endless war. 1.00
00:01:16.000 Second of all, giving Iran a clear pathway toward a nuke, and ballistic missile building, and funding of terror. 0.77
00:01:23.000 And billions of dollars in cash and the capacity to continue shutting down traffic in the straight, that's called losing.
00:01:29.000 Or we could do this thing called winning, which is what President Trump may now be considering anew.
00:01:33.000 And it's actually the thing we have to do.
00:01:35.000 So the real reason that people in the United States, of course, are very concerned over what's happening in Iran is inflation in the U.S. If we weren't getting price inflation due to the cutoff of energy, no one would care.
00:01:46.000 It would just be a thing that's happening quite far away, especially because the military has done an extraordinary job of minimizing.
00:01:54.000 The damage to the U.S. and our allies.
00:01:57.000 The reason people are worried right now is because the inflation is coming in very hot.
00:02:00.000 So, according to CNBC, inflation clocked in in May at 4.2%.
00:02:09.000 That's the annualized inflation rate, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
00:02:13.000 It rose at a seasonally adjusted 0.5% for the month.
00:02:16.000 Now, if you get rid of food and energy prices because of the Iran war, the so called core CPI accelerated at 0.2% for the month and 2.9% from a year ago, which again is not amazing, but it's not.
00:02:28.000 Terrible either.
00:02:31.000 The annual rate was in line with the forecast.
00:02:32.000 The monthly gain was below the 0.3% estimate and less than the 0.4% April increase.
00:02:37.000 So, what we're really watching right now is a temporary price spike that is generated by the bottlenecking of energy supply in the Strait of Hormuz.
00:02:46.000 Now, the president was asked about this, and here is how he responded.
00:02:51.000 Are you concerned, Mr. President, about the latest inflation number which came out this morning?
00:02:55.000 Could that be a headwind?
00:02:57.000 No, I love it.
00:02:57.000 The numbers were dreaded.
00:02:58.000 You know what I really love?
00:03:00.000 I love the inflation.
00:03:01.000 You know why?
00:03:02.000 Because as soon as this war is over, you know, I can say it now.
00:03:07.000 Something you didn't know.
00:03:07.000 Do you know we've been taking out millions of barrels of oil?
00:03:12.000 Nobody knows it.
00:03:13.000 You know who doesn't know about it?
00:03:15.000 Iran until right now.
00:03:19.000 Okay, so what he is talking about there, he then told the New York Post because they followed up.
00:03:23.000 Because when you say I love inflation, people are going to take that out of context.
00:03:26.000 That will be a bunch of campaign ads.
00:03:27.000 That's not what he means.
00:03:28.000 He said, I love the inflation numbers because of what I'm talking about.
00:03:31.000 The numbers are going to be phenomenal.
00:03:33.000 Because what's showing is that despite the fact that we're in a war, the numbers are much lower than anticipated.
00:03:37.000 And when we're out of that war, the numbers will be at lower numbers than they were before it even started, which of course is true.
00:03:43.000 And again, the CPI annual rate 2020 to 2026, as you can see from this graph, you are seeing a jump.
00:03:50.000 It is nothing like, nothing remotely like the spike that you saw under Joe Biden.
00:03:55.000 That spike in inflation from January 2021 to essentially mid 22, you're talking about a spike.
00:04:03.000 In inflation numbers that went from the mid twos all the way up to 9%.
00:04:08.000 Here, even with what's going on in Iran, you are talking again about the low fours, which is not great, but it is going to go down after this war is over.
00:04:18.000 Already coming up, we'll get to how we actually get to the end of this war.
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00:05:49.000 How do we get to the end of this war? 0.87
00:05:51.000 Well, it turns out that Iran has, in fact, been tapping along the United States as per their usual arrangement.
00:05:58.000 And frankly, I'm a little surprised that whoever was advising President Trump got this so wrong.
00:06:03.000 They certainly should not have.
00:06:04.000 I don't know whether it was the Whitcoff team or whether it was the vice president's office that was leading the negotiations via Pakistan, which is a Chinese cutout.
00:06:12.000 But the idea that Iran was ever going to, via negotiations, give up its nuclear program, its ballistic missile capacity, or its funding of Iranian terror groups.
00:06:20.000 Abroad, that was not a great premise.
00:06:26.000 And you know how you can tell it's not a great premise? 0.94
00:06:27.000 Because if the offer to Iran is, hey, you get to reenter the world economy if you do all those things, you know what's been on the table the entire time for decades. 0.71
00:06:36.000 If Iran had given up its extraterritorial ambitions, if it had not threatened its neighbors with ballistic missiles, if it had not tried to develop nuclear weapons, if they had been clear and open about all of that, they'd be in exactly the same position as Qatar or UAE or Bahrain or Saudi, none of which are democracies. 0.72
00:06:54.000 All of which have Islamic law written into their constitutions, and all of which are well integrated into the world economy. 0.86
00:07:00.000 So, Iran could at any time have reintegrated itself into the world economy.
00:07:03.000 So, in other words, the sort of carrot that was being offered by the negotiators is not a carrot at all.
00:07:08.000 Iran has had that carrot the entire time. 0.73
00:07:11.000 And so, it turns out that Iran, instead, because of the United States' ceasefire, which I think was misbegotten, I think the ceasefire was a bad idea, I think the embargo is a great idea, cutting off Iran's capacity to use the Straits to ship its own oil while they cut off everybody else's capacity. 0.85
00:07:26.000 We couldn't allow that to happen. 0.87
00:07:28.000 But I think the ceasefire itself was a bad idea. 1.00
00:07:31.000 The reason it was a bad idea is because it gave Iran hope. 0.96
00:07:33.000 And when you give the Iranian regime hope, they push. 0.89
00:07:36.000 When you give them an inch, they take several hundred miles. 0.73
00:07:39.000 They try to relink up all of their terror apparatus by linking activity in Lebanon to activity in Iran. 0.51
00:07:45.000 The idea is that if Israel strikes Hezbollah in Lebanon, again, that is not the government of Lebanon.
00:07:49.000 The government of Lebanon does not like Hezbollah.
00:07:51.000 It's an Iranian terror group located in Lebanon.
00:07:54.000 Iran was saying if Israel hits Hezbollah, then Iran will fire missiles at Israel.
00:07:58.000 They were trying to Link up all of these causes and create a sort of regional hegemony for itself based on that, based on grabbing the Strait of Hormuz and all of the rest.
00:08:10.000 Well, there is really only one way to stop all of that, and that is to again exert extraordinary pressure on Iran and to show that you're willing to take what Iran is willing to dish out in return. 0.86
00:08:20.000 That is the only way to win a war. 0.78
00:08:22.000 As always, you have to make the cost for the other side, the cost they are willing to accept, too high for them to accept. 0.70
00:08:29.000 And you have to accept the cost coming the other way. 0.88
00:08:31.000 That's how you win a war.
00:08:33.000 Well, the United States, in response to the Iranians shooting down an American helicopter, yesterday, U.S. military forces struck air defenses and radar sites near the Strait of Hormuz.
00:08:46.000 No infrastructure sites were hit, according to an official telling the Wall Street Journal.
00:08:51.000 Iranian state media reported explosions in areas along the Strait of Hormuz, including Bandar Abbas, Kesham Island, and Sirik.
00:08:57.000 All of those are, again, locations that sort of overlook the Strait and are used to fire drones by the Iranians.
00:09:03.000 The Pentagon cast the attacks as an act of coercive diplomacy designed to force Iranian negotiations.
00:09:10.000 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said if we need to negotiate with bombs, we'll negotiate with bombs. 0.82
00:09:14.000 We're very good at it.
00:09:15.000 Nobody better in the world.
00:09:16.000 Okay, but let's be real about it.
00:09:19.000 Every act of military wherewithal is an attempt to get people to give you what you want them to give you.
00:09:26.000 The question is will that actually generate some sort of concessions from Iran?
00:09:31.000 I'm highly doubtful because, again, I think that Iran is not led by people who are chiefly worried about their economy.
00:09:37.000 I think they are worried only about the preservation of their regime.
00:09:40.000 Only.
00:09:41.000 And what they're worried about is that if their economy continues to tank, eventually there will be a movement inside the country to overthrow them.
00:09:49.000 Meanwhile, the president announced via Truth Social that the United States had, in fact, been opening up the Strait of Hormuz, at least in part.
00:09:57.000 He said, Last month, I directed our great U.S. military to execute a secret mission to support oil tankers and other commercial ships through the Strait of Hormuz.
00:10:05.000 Today, I'm pleased to announce this effort has resulted in more than 100 million barrels of oil making its way through the Strait and into the open market.
00:10:12.000 More than 200 commercial ships have safely traveled through the Strait.
00:10:15.000 This wildly successful effort is because the United States of America controls the Strait of Hormuz, not Iran. 0.86
00:10:19.000 Their military is defeated.
00:10:20.000 Their economy is lost. 1.00
00:10:21.000 It's over for Iran. 1.00
00:10:22.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter.
00:10:25.000 And the president said yesterday we have been taking out millions of barrels of oil under cover of darkness.
00:10:29.000 So the idea that Iran has complete overwatch of the strait is not true.
00:10:34.000 We're taking out millions, which I'm just announcing today for the first time, but we've been taking out millions of barrels of oil.
00:10:45.000 Millions of barrels.
00:10:47.000 Every night we took out oil, but now I'm going to tell you because they just figured it out.
00:10:52.000 Okay, well, again.
00:10:56.000 The fact is that we have not begun to really flex our strength in the Strait of Hormuz, fearful of casualties or fearful of danger.
00:11:06.000 Understandable.
00:11:07.000 But the hopes for negotiation were always, I think, far fetched.
00:11:13.000 A phrase that's often been used about the Iranian government is that the Iranian government has never won a war or lost a negotiation.
00:11:19.000 And if you'd like for them to lose a negotiation, they need to fundamentally lose the war.
00:11:24.000 You don't win by simply.
00:11:28.000 Playing not to lose.
00:11:29.000 That is not how you win here.
00:11:31.000 And the president this morning made that clear. 0.69
00:11:34.000 So the president put out a statement on Truth Social The United States will be hitting Iran, whose Navy, Air Force, radar, anti aircraft, and all other forms of defense, together with most of its offensive capability, are gone very hard tonight. 0.77
00:11:45.000 At some point in the not too distant future, we will be taking Karga Island and other oil infrastructure points and assume total control of their oil and gas markets, much like we have with Venezuela, which is working out brilliantly for both Venezuela and the United States.
00:11:56.000 Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Trump.
00:12:00.000 Now, some of us have been saying for literally months at this point that this is precisely what should happen.
00:12:05.000 This is a clip from my show, March 19th.
00:12:09.000 Hey, the current date is June 11th.
00:12:12.000 So rather than doing a misbegotten ceasefire, this is what we should have been doing all along, would have shortened this journey a little bit.
00:12:18.000 Here's what a smart man said on March 19th.
00:12:22.000 In my opinion, the faster you move, the better.
00:12:26.000 And so my temptation would be to take Harga Island, My temptation would be to, if that requires putting special operators on the ground to do it, I would do it. 0.94
00:12:36.000 My temptation would be to basically obliterate the entire coastline where Iran is firing drones and missiles at ships, and then to provide whatever help is necessary in order to provoke a popular uprising in Tehran. 0.94
00:12:51.000 So, again, that seems to now be the strategy, which it's about time. 0.65
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00:14:23.000 And it seems to me that this ceasefire, again, all it really did was give the Iranians some time to rearm, maybe to get ready to shoot more of their citizens. 0.81
00:14:33.000 Well, the president went on Fox News this morning and he said, listen, the Iranian regime is on its last legs.
00:14:40.000 They're finished, but the papers, the media refuses to write it.
00:14:45.000 They're finished.
00:14:46.000 We can walk in there tomorrow.
00:14:49.000 We could take soldiers.
00:14:50.000 I don't want to have boots on the ground, but if I wanted to, we could put a small group of soldiers and take over the whole place.
00:14:58.000 They're finished.
00:15:01.000 Okay, so declaring them finished is not the same thing as finishing them.
00:15:05.000 That is the thing.
00:15:06.000 Having a 29 point lead is not enough.
00:15:09.000 You need to finish the game, you need to close it out.
00:15:11.000 That's the only way to do it.
00:15:12.000 The Treasury Department is ready to close it out.
00:15:15.000 So Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary, put up what I think is a pretty meaningful tweet this morning. 0.56
00:15:20.000 He said the Iranian regime will lose the zero sum game it is playing.
00:15:23.000 Any damage it inflicts on our allies in the Gulf will be paid for with funds extracted from Iranian accounts. 0.72
00:15:27.000 Any tolls paid to the Persian Gulf Strait Authority will be offset by funds extracted from their accounts. 0.77
00:15:32.000 Every attack Iran launches will only deepen the economic and financial consequences it faces. 0.65
00:15:36.000 So I think that buried here in the street is one of the things that is a solve. 0.54
00:15:41.000 And that is a lot of worry about the Iranians responding to American action against, say, Kharg or South Pars Oilsfield, that the Iranians will fire a bunch of missiles.
00:15:51.000 At gas and oil facilities in places like Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, Saudi.
00:15:58.000 That has been the big concern.
00:16:00.000 And Besant is saying if they do that, we will just pay them with Iranian money because we've frozen their assets. 1.00
00:16:06.000 Seems like a pretty good solution to me. 0.97
00:16:08.000 Meanwhile, the Iranians have been relegated to complaining about how mean the Americans are.
00:16:13.000 So the Iranian foreign minister is accusing the United States of a deliberate strike on civilian water infrastructure.
00:16:18.000 Water is the pulse of life, says Ismail Bakay.
00:16:20.000 And the U.S. is deliberately targeting the lifeblood of the Iranian people.
00:16:23.000 This is pretty rich coming from a regime that mowed down 42,000 of its own people in one weekend, essentially.
00:16:29.000 As part of its aggression against Iran, the U.S. military has deliberately struck vital civilian water infrastructure in Sarik Harmazgan, destroying two reservoirs with a combined capacity of 2,500 cubic meters. 0.50
00:16:40.000 These facilities supply drinking water to more than 20,000 residents across 10 villages.
00:16:45.000 This is not collateral damage.
00:16:46.000 No, these are dual use facilities, meaning that you are allowed by the properties of war to target infrastructure that is used to benefit the military of the opposing military.
00:16:55.000 It's how you can blow up a bridge, for example.
00:16:58.000 Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, He said that bombs would be dropping on key facilities.
00:17:06.000 This was yesterday.
00:17:09.000 Admiral Cooper, the commander of CENTCOM, was going to be here with me.
00:17:13.000 We just got done with detailed briefings.
00:17:16.000 But of course, he is busy because CENTCOM, Central Command, will be busy tonight because President Trump said we will be hitting Iran hard and we will be. 0.51
00:17:26.000 Because Iran has a chance to make a good deal, a great deal, to codify what they said they've been willing to do and they haven't been willing to do it. 0.59
00:17:35.000 As President Trump said, they've been tap, tap, tapping.
00:17:38.000 You can see when someone's trying to tap, tap, tap on a deal.
00:17:41.000 Instead, they're going to have tap, tap, tap bombs dropping on key facilities in Iran from the United States of America. 0.92
00:17:49.000 So, again, this is the proper response to what Iran has been doing this whole time.
00:17:54.000 Now, there are people who are trying to stop Trump from winning this war.
00:17:57.000 They don't like America, and they are very much in favor of America's enemies winning, just outright.
00:18:05.000 Pretending that this is all about his concern about the economy.
00:18:08.000 It would not matter.
00:18:09.000 By the way, if inflation were at 0%, Chank would be opposing what the United States is doing because he would like for Iran to maintain its power in the region as well as the Turkish government.
00:18:17.000 He put out a tweet yesterday Economic catastrophe is next.
00:18:20.000 So all the talk of Trump and Netanyahu fighting was BS as usual.
00:18:23.000 We were never negotiating.
00:18:24.000 We were trying to find a way around the blockade. 0.78
00:18:26.000 And now that the Iranians know, we're going back into the war just as Israel ordered. 0.61
00:18:29.000 Again, the op that is being run by people like Chank, being run by people like Tucker Carlson, as we'll see. 0.83
00:18:35.000 Is that the United States does not run the United States. 0.55
00:18:37.000 Israel runs the United States.
00:18:39.000 All of this is designed to generate hatred for the U.S. government. 0.97
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00:19:57.000 Again, the mainstream left does this too.
00:19:59.000 Hakeem Jeffries, the wannabe speaker and the House minority leader, back in March, he was doing the sort of Why can't we spend more money on programs here at home?
00:20:10.000 Instead of dropping bombs, which is the dumbest form of politics, it turns out we spend trillions a year on the American people.
00:20:17.000 By the American people, I mean a bunch of people supported by various government programs. 0.78
00:20:22.000 Here is Hakeem Jeffries doing this routine back in March.
00:20:26.000 The administration has not even made the case to the American people as to why we are spending billions of dollars and dropping bombs every day in Iran while at the same period of time doing nothing about the affordability crisis, which Donald Trump continues to insist is a hoax.
00:20:43.000 It's not a hoax.
00:20:43.000 I travel the country.
00:20:45.000 People are struggling throughout America to achieve the American dream.
00:20:50.000 Many people have understandably concluded it is out of reach and we have to restore it.
00:20:56.000 And instead, you've got the administration without any plan, any objective, any exit strategy, has gotten us into this reckless war of choice in the Middle East.
00:21:07.000 So the notion that they would come up here and ask for additional money is beyond the pale at this moment.
00:21:14.000 Yes, again, this has been the Democrat line, the left wing line.
00:21:17.000 I have to say that actually, somehow, Hakeem Jeffries and Cenk Uyghur, in some weird way, have become less America hating than Tucker Carlson.
00:21:27.000 I don't know what else to say about this.
00:21:29.000 Tucker Carlson, literally last night, he's not just saying that it was a mistake to go into the war with Iran because of economic consequences or because of a mistake in geopolitics.
00:21:39.000 He is literally rooting for Iran.
00:21:41.000 He's literally rooting for the Iranian regime, Tucker Carlson.
00:21:45.000 This dude is so far gone, it's insane.
00:21:50.000 And the rest of the world is watching this in horror, and no one's doing anything about it.
00:21:53.000 The United States is abetting it, the United States is helping it happen, despite what they tell you.
00:21:57.000 Those are American weapons. 0.85
00:21:59.000 And weapons systems being used to murder Christians in Lebanon. 0.80
00:22:02.000 Who is doing something about it? 0.84
00:22:03.000 Iran. 1.00
00:22:05.000 Hate to say that. 0.99
00:22:06.000 Wish that weren't true.
00:22:08.000 Wish it didn't fall to Iran to do something about this, but it has, and they are.
00:22:13.000 And they're doing more about this than any other country, including ours, including any of the Gulf states.
00:22:17.000 Sorry. 0.56
00:22:19.000 Because they are tying the reopening of the Strait, which the world wants, to an end to Israeli bombing and murder in Lebanon.
00:22:31.000 So, in the eyes of the region, whatever people hate about Iran, and there's a lot that the Arabs hate about Iran, they are uniquely standing up for the Palestinians.
00:22:44.000 I love that Tucker is just discovering that the Palestinians and the Iranians are in cahoots together.
00:22:48.000 Yeah, that would be the entire problem, but dude. 1.00
00:22:50.000 But it is because he's on the side of Iran. 0.88
00:22:53.000 I mean, again, I don't have to say it.
00:22:54.000 He's now just saying the thing.
00:22:56.000 It's pretty incredible.
00:22:56.000 Marjorie Taylor Greene did the same thing on CNN last night.
00:22:59.000 She's calling Trump a traitor and also obviously invoking Epstein because this is her shtick. 0.97
00:23:05.000 They're traitors, the ones that refuse to release Epstein files, want to cover up for pedophiles and rapists and all sorts of disgusting things in these files. 0.98
00:23:16.000 Those are the traitors to the American people, and they should be ashamed of themselves. 0.96
00:23:21.000 I mean, this report basically says it was the president who didn't want anything released.
00:23:26.000 Are you saying that that applies to the president himself?
00:23:31.000 I'm saying exactly that.
00:23:32.000 He told me on the phone that his friends would get hurt.
00:23:36.000 And that's why he's against releasing the Epstein files.
00:23:40.000 And I think we've seen a lot of that dribble out.
00:23:43.000 So, yeah, it all matches.
00:23:47.000 Again, the two online right, my goodness.
00:23:51.000 And they're just siding with the very online left.
00:23:55.000 The president is going to have to overcome not only the Iranian military and government, he's going to have to overcome people who legitimately dislike America here at home.