The Ben Shapiro Show - Trump’s Immigration Push | Ep. 450

00:00:00.000 So, President Trump holds a big immigration meeting with Democrats.

00:00:03.000 Steve Bannon is out at Breitbart News and apparently back to bagging groceries where he belongs.

00:00:09.000 And it turns out that President Obama designed his own library.

00:00:12.000 It does not look good.

00:00:14.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:14.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:20.000 So a lot to get to today.

00:00:21.000 Obviously, there's a lot of breaking news on immigration, including a judicial ruling that is just absurd.

00:00:26.000 Also, Steve Bannon is out at Breitbart.

00:00:28.000 And as you may have noticed, this does not displease me.

00:00:31.000 Plus, as I have to show the pictures of the Obama presidential library, because they truly are astonishingly awful.

00:00:37.000 I mean, it's like the guy took a Chinese takeout food box, unwrapped it, and then decided to model his library on it.

00:00:44.000 That's basically what it looks like.

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00:01:49.000 Okay, so.

00:01:51.000 Well, I'm desperate to begin with President Obama's presidential library because the pictures are just so astonishing.

00:01:56.000 You're going to have to wait for that.

00:01:57.000 First, we're going to start with President Trump having his big immigration meeting at the White House.

00:02:01.000 So, there were two purposes for this immigration meeting.

00:02:04.000 Purpose number one is to push back on the Michael Wolff fire and fury narratives. 0.99

00:02:09.000 That narrative, which we talked about at length yesterday, suggests that Trump is just a crazy person. 1.00

00:02:14.000 Trump is a nut job, a child in a man body, a sort of 1.00

00:02:19.000 A kook who's escaped from the asylum and is now running amok through the White House destroying everything. 1.00

00:02:25.000 And so Trump wanted to hold this bipartisan meeting to show, no, you know, I'm going to have a basically normal meeting.

00:02:29.000 And we'll have a bunch of Democrats to the White House and we'll talk and nobody will get hit in the head with a frying pan.

00:02:33.000 It'll totally be fine.

00:02:35.000 And in that, he succeeded.

00:02:36.000 He was fine.

00:02:36.000 When it came to policy, however, things were not quite so glowing.

00:02:40.000 The president gave a bunch of mixed signals about what he would be willing to sign or what he would not be willing to sign in terms of DACA.

00:02:45.000 Now, to review, if you recall, back in 2012, Barack Obama passed into law sort of

00:02:52.000 through executive order, the executive amnesty.

00:02:54.000 This is the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

00:02:56.000 It suggested that anyone between the ages of 16 and 30, at the time that he signed this into law, that those people would be able to stay if they were brought into the country as children and had been there for a certain amount of time.

00:03:05.000 And that being the case...

00:03:08.000 All those people would eventually be legal citizens of the United States was sort of the unspoken promise that Obama was making.

00:03:14.000 So Trump comes into office and several months into his term, he decides that he is going to overturn DACA.

00:03:19.000 But at the time, he says, DACA no longer applies.

00:03:22.000 But if Congress doesn't pass some version of DACA to keep the so-called dreamers in the United States, then come March, maybe I'll just reinstate it. 1.00

00:03:29.000 Which is a weird statement to make because the whole reason for striking down DACA in the first place was based on constitutional grounds.

00:03:35.000 He said it's unconstitutional for the President of the United States to simply say that a bunch of people are now going to get green cards to stay in the United States or papers that suggest that they can be here legally without the approval of Congress.

00:03:47.000 So it'd be weird to reverse himself and then say, well, you know what, I decided the constitutional question doesn't matter.

00:03:52.000 Now I want this policy back in place and therefore it will be back in place.

00:03:55.000 That'd be a weird argument for Trump to make.

00:03:57.000 So yesterday Trump is at the White House and he leads off with his actual proposal.

00:04:01.000 His actual proposal is that he will sign into law an enshrinement of DACA, basically legalizing the presence of the so-called dreamers, maybe giving them a pathway to citizenship, maybe not.

00:04:13.000 Maybe allowing them to stay in the country permanently without the ability to vote, for example. 0.99

00:04:16.000 It's not clear what exactly he's talking about here, but he says there won't be any staying in the country for the Dreamers unless I get the funding for my border wall.

00:04:23.000 Now, this is a fairly unremarkable position that Republicans have been taking.

00:04:27.000 There's some hardliners like Ann Coulter who have been suggesting that under no circumstances should Trump reinstate DACA.

00:04:34.000 Instead, he should just push for

00:04:35.000 Independent funding of the border wall and said he should just push for an end to chain migration.

00:04:39.000 Chain migration is the process by which you come here, you drop a baby, the baby's a citizen, and now the baby brings you in as the parent, as a citizen.

00:04:47.000 That's chain migration. 0.74

00:04:48.000 You bring in your entire family.

00:04:49.000 In fact, the last terrorist attack that occurred in New York City was by somebody who'd been brought in essentially through chain migration.

00:04:56.000 Started off as a person who got in through the visa lottery.

00:04:59.000 That person brought their family over through chain migration.

00:05:02.000 Trump wants to end chain migration, as well he should. 1.00

00:05:04.000 Chain migration is stupid. 0.99

00:05:05.000 The idea that you get to bring your entire family over just because you're here. 1.00

00:05:09.000 How about we determine whether you bringing your family over is good for the United States, rather than just simply assuming it.

00:05:14.000 Especially when you're talking not about immediate family, you're talking about cousins, and uncles, and aunts, and grandmothers, and all the rest.

00:05:19.000 In any case, the Ann Coulters say, no DACA at all.

00:05:24.000 Now, that is what I would prefer, too.

00:05:25.000 I would prefer a system where we look at all of these people on a one-to-one basis.

00:05:28.000 I've said this a thousand times.

00:05:30.000 Where we look at these folks at a one-to-one level, we decide whether they ought to stay or whether they ought to go, and then they go in the back of the line.

00:05:35.000 They can stay here while they are waiting for their actual papers, but they have to go to the back of the line because it's not fair to privilege them.

00:05:42.000 over people who have been waiting diligently in line for years to get their green card and get their citizenship.

00:05:48.000 But President Trump thinks differently.

00:05:50.000 He thinks that DACA has to stay.

00:05:51.000 The reason for that is he doesn't want the ugly pictures of ICE coming in and deporting people, just ripping children out of their mother's arms and then putting them on a plane to El Salvador.

00:05:59.000 This is not something that Trump really wants to do.

00:06:02.000 Or the opposite, getting rid of the taking mothers and the baby was born here so the baby is a citizen, taking the mothers and deporting the mothers and leaving the babies here. 0.96

00:06:09.000 Trump doesn't want any of those pictures.

00:06:10.000 So he says,

00:06:11.000 We want to do DACA.

00:06:12.000 We want DACA done. 0.76

00:06:13.000 But we're also going to get my priorities done.

00:06:15.000 So in order for Democrats to sign off on this, Democrats want what is called a clean DACA bill.

00:06:19.000 Whenever they say clean, clean just means without any riders.

00:06:22.000 So what they want is DACA re-enshrined without any wall funding, without any curbs on chain migration, without any curbs on the diversity visa lottery.

00:06:30.000 Trump would like, if DACA is going to get done, all of the above.

00:06:32.000 He wants an end to chain migration.

00:06:34.000 He wants curbs on the diversity visa lottery.

00:06:36.000 He wants it done away with.

00:06:38.000 He wants his funding for the border wall.

00:06:39.000 And that's what he said yesterday.

00:06:41.000 And by the way, as I said a couple of days ago, that deal was not a bad deal.

00:06:44.000 It's not a terrible deal.

00:06:46.000 If he ends up basically retaining status quo with regard to the Dreamers, who, by the way, were never really going to be deported, if he ends up retaining status quo but getting all of his policy priorities, that's a win for the president. 0.71

00:06:57.000 He knows it, and that's why that was what his position was yesterday.

00:06:59.000 Here's what he said.

00:07:00.000 Just to clarify, is there any agreement without the wall?

00:07:05.000 No, there wouldn't be.

00:07:06.000 The wall has to be there.

00:07:08.000 You need it.

00:07:09.000 John, you need the wall.

00:07:10.000 I mean, it's wonderful.

00:07:12.000 I'd love not to build the wall, but you need the wall.

00:07:14.000 And I will tell you this, the ICE officers and the Border Patrol agents, I had them just recently, they say, if you don't have the wall, you know, in certain areas, obviously, that aren't protected by nature, if you don't have the wall, you cannot have security.

00:07:28.000 You just can't have it.

00:07:29.000 It doesn't work.

00:07:34.000 No, I think a clean DACA bill to me is a DACA bill where we take care of the 800,000 people.

00:07:41.000 They're actually not necessarily young people.

00:07:43.000 Everyone talks about young, you know, they could be 40 years old, 41 years old, but they're also 16 years old.

00:07:48.000 But I think to me, a clean bill is a bill of DACA.

00:07:52.000 We take care of them and we also take care of security.

00:07:55.000 OK, so the reason that he's reshifting at the end there is for a reason that I will show you in just a moment, because the fact is that President Trump doesn't know what clean bill means, and so now he's recapitulating what clean bill means.

00:08:05.000 Now clean bill is supposed to mean including security, which is not what clean bill means typically.

00:08:12.000 There are a lot of mixed messages in this press conference.

00:08:14.000 Now, does he look like he is in control?

00:08:16.000 Yes, and that's what he wanted, right?

00:08:18.000 So this gives lie to the idea that Trump doesn't know what he's doing or that he has no capacity to function in this office.

00:08:24.000 This is the problem with Democrats setting the bar so low.

00:08:26.000 When you suggest that somebody legitimately does not have the IQ points to function, 0.60

00:08:30.000 In a given job, and then the person seems to be functional, then it is a visual rebuke to all of the lines that have been used by Democrats over the past year, couple of years, about Trump being so crazy that he can't be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.

00:08:44.000 Here is Trump continuing, but the bigger story, I think, for conservatives is the mixed messages.

00:08:49.000 So Trump, for example, dropped a full-on Jeb Bush line.

00:08:52.000 He suggested that he wanted a bill of love.

00:08:54.000 I remember when Jeb Bush said that trying to legalize illegal immigrants was an act of love, and he was ripped up and down for the privilege, right?

00:09:02.000 One of the people ripping him was Donald Trump.

00:09:03.000 How dare you say act of love?

00:09:05.000 And Jeb sort of retreated into the corner.

00:09:07.000 Well, Donald Trump did exactly the same thing yesterday.

00:09:10.000 He talked about how he wanted a bill of love.

00:09:11.000 Now we're going to have a bill of love.

00:09:13.000 First of all, I don't think that we should have bills of love.

00:09:15.000 I think we should have bills of good policy, just as a general rule.

00:09:18.000 I'll show you what Trump said in just a second.

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00:10:54.000 We have a lot of good people in this room, a lot of people that have

00:11:16.000 A great spirit for taking care of people we represent.

00:11:20.000 We all represent.

00:11:22.000 I feel having the Democrats in with us is absolutely vital because this should be a bipartisan bill.

00:11:28.000 This should be a bill of love.

00:11:30.000 Truly, it should be a bill of love and we can do that.

00:11:33.000 Oh, the Bill of Love.

00:11:34.000 And Jeb Bush somewhere just is crying and crying.

00:11:37.000 Because if only he had been Donald Trump and said Bill of Love, everything would have been fine.

00:11:40.000 But he said Act of Love, and Trump ripped him up and down a fort.

00:11:43.000 So here is where the confusion sets in.

00:11:45.000 So it looks like Trump has a relatively clear position so far, right?

00:11:47.000 We're going to get DACA, but we're also going to get border wall funding, and we're also going to get the end of chain migration, and we're also going to get the end of the diversity visa lottery again.

00:11:56.000 Would I prefer that he not do DACA and get all of those things?

00:11:58.000 Sure.

00:11:59.000 If you're going to make a trade, though, that's not a bad trade, right?

00:12:01.000 That's about as good a trade as you're going to get.

00:12:03.000 I was advising a couple of Republican senators last night on this, and I was saying push as hard as you can.

00:12:08.000 The reason I was saying push as hard as you can is because Trump actually is not going to take a leadership role.

00:12:12.000 The great lie of the last campaign is that Trump was going to take a leadership role when it came to actual policy prescriptions, such as on immigration, that he was going to be the great leader here.

00:12:21.000 He is not, and he made that pretty clear yesterday.

00:12:23.000 So here is Trump debating with Democrats, and you will see that Trump legitimately does not actually know what he's talking about when it comes to the terminology on DACA.

00:12:30.000 He actually has to be corrected by Representative Kevin McCarthy, the House Majority Whip, on his position, because for a moment here, he actually signals support for the Democratic position that DACA should be passed without any sort of strings attached.

00:12:44.000 So here's Dianne Feinstein saying something, and then her being absolutely stunned when Trump agrees with her.

00:12:49.000 What about a clean DACA bill now, and with a commitment that we go into a comprehensive immigration reform procedure like... Can you pause it for one second?

00:12:59.000 Okay, before we get to Trump's answer, what she's saying, just to clarify, is that she wants deferred action for childhood rivals.

00:13:05.000 Obama's executive amnesty made law now, and then afterward, we'll negotiate about diversity visa programs, and we'll negotiate about curbing chain migration.

00:13:14.000 Here's the problem.

00:13:15.000 If Trump were to do that, he loses all leverage.

00:13:17.000 The only leverage he has to get Democrats to vote for this thing is that they want DACA, and if they want DACA, maybe they'll give him some of the things he wants.

00:13:23.000 If he gives them what they want, you think they're going to stick around for a discussion about comprehensive immigration reform?

00:13:28.000 Are you kidding?

00:13:29.000 Of course they're not going to.

00:13:30.000 Of course they'll sink any possibility of curbing some of the more popular methods of illegal immigration.

00:13:37.000 So that's what she's saying to him.

00:13:38.000 She's saying, let's do what I want and then later, later, we'll do what you want.

00:13:42.000 And she's doing the wimpy from the Archie comics. 1.00

00:13:45.000 Give me a hamburger now and I'll give you the five bucks later. 1.00

00:13:48.000 That's basically what she's saying.

00:13:49.000 And then she's shocked because Trump doesn't know what she's saying and so he agrees with her.

00:13:52.000 That's what happens right here.

00:13:54.000 Kennedy was here.

00:13:55.000 I think that's basically what Dick is saying.

00:13:57.000 We're going to come out with DACA. 0.75

00:13:59.000 We're going to do DACA, and then we can start immediately on the phase two, which would be comprehensive.

00:14:04.000 Would you be agreeable to that?

00:14:05.000 Yeah, I would like to be.

00:14:06.000 Go ahead.

00:14:07.000 I think a lot of people would like to see that.

00:14:10.000 But I think we have to do DACA first.

00:14:12.000 Mr. President, when we talk about just DACA, we don't want to be back here two years later.

00:14:16.000 You have to have security, as the Secretary would tell you.

00:14:19.000 But I think that's what you say.

00:14:23.000 Okay, you can see Kevin McCarthy steps in and goes, uh, Mr. President, uh, no.

00:14:28.000 You're totally wrong about this.

00:14:29.000 So this is the problem with the idea that Trump is going to lead the way on this because Trump legitimately doesn't know what he's talking about.

00:14:35.000 And so he has to have Kevin McCarthy.

00:14:36.000 Kevin McCarthy is no hawk on immigration, by the way.

00:14:39.000 Kevin McCarthy is from California.

00:14:40.000 He is not an immigration hawk.

00:14:42.000 And he has to step in and inform the president this is not how negotiations work.

00:14:46.000 And then Trump basically starts giving away the store.

00:14:48.000 So this is the problem with the meeting.

00:14:50.000 You know, Mr. President, just, just, please, pipe down, let Congress do its work, sign what comes across your desk.

00:14:59.000 You can hear when Trump starts to negotiate, his opening negotiation position for a guy who's supposed to be this master negotiator, his opening negotiation position is, let me give you everything you want.

00:15:08.000 That was also his opening negotiation position, if you recall, on the budget, where he told the Democrats, here, have everything you want.

00:15:14.000 And he stunned Paul Ryan, and he stunned Mitch McConnell, and both of them walked out of Trump's office going, what the hell just happened?

00:15:19.000 That's what happened yesterday, too, on immigration, briefly.

00:15:22.000 Now, Trump, I think, is going to back down now and let Congress do its work, but you can see why Republicans are a little bit discomfited with the idea that Captain Immigration Hawk over here is giving away the entire store, right?

00:15:33.000 Halfway through this meeting, Trump actually says, we don't need a wall.

00:15:36.000 That's what he campaigned on, guys.

00:15:38.000 Right?

00:15:38.000 Build the wall.

00:15:40.000 Build the wall.

00:15:41.000 And then he says at the White House, build the fence in parts of the border that aren't covered by water or mountains.

00:15:47.000 Which doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

00:15:48.000 Here's the president.

00:15:49.000 I had a big meeting with ICE last week.

00:15:53.000 I had a big meeting with the Border Patrol agents last week.

00:15:55.000 Nobody knows it better than them.

00:15:57.000 As an example on the wall, they say, sir, we desperately need the wall.

00:16:01.000 And we don't need a 2,000-mile wall.

00:16:03.000 We don't need a wall where you have rivers and mountains and everything else protecting.

00:16:07.000 But we do need a wall for

00:16:10.000 A fairly good portion.

00:16:11.000 OK, so this is a change from what he said during the campaign because people were saying to him exactly this, and he was saying, no, no, no, no, no. 0.98

00:16:18.000 It's because you're a wimp. 0.93

00:16:19.000 It's because you're a wimp that you don't want to build a wall along the entirety of the border. 0.99

00:16:23.000 And now he's saying what everybody else was saying, which is, you can have a wall in places. 0.94

00:16:25.000 You don't have to have a wall in places.

00:16:27.000 And then it gets worse.

00:16:28.000 Then he says, listen, you guys, let's be real about this.

00:16:31.000 I'll sign anything.

00:16:33.000 I mean, he really says this.

00:16:33.000 He actually, this came out of his mouth.

00:16:35.000 So as I say, the meeting was good for him on an image level, because it made him look as though he actually wants to deal, and he can speak full sentences, and he's capable of carrying on a conversation, and he's capable of listening to McCarthy when McCarthy says, Mr. President, whoa there, hold your horses.

00:16:49.000 But watch Trump say, listen, you send me something, not gonna veto it, comes across my desk, I'll sign it.

00:16:55.000 This is an astonishing, again, an astonishing negotiation position.

00:16:59.000 When this group comes back, hopefully with an agreement, this group and others, from the Senate, from the House, comes back with an agreement, I'm signing it.

00:17:08.000 I mean, I will be signing it.

00:17:09.000 I'm not going to say, oh gee, I want this or I want that.

00:17:12.000 I'll be signing it.

00:17:12.000 Because I have a lot of confidence in the people in this room that you're going to come up with something really good.

00:17:18.000 Oh gee, I'm not going to sign this or I'm not going to sign that.

00:17:20.000 It's called the veto power.

00:17:22.000 If you're not threatening to use the veto pen, what in the world are you doing in this office?

00:17:27.000 At a certain point, you are going to have to threaten to use the veto pen.

00:17:30.000 Now, if all of Trump's most ardent supporters, the people who are the in-Trump-we-trust-Ann Coulter types are looking at this, they're going crazy.

00:17:37.000 And Ann Coulter was, to her credit, going insane yesterday.

00:17:40.000 Ann Coulter was losing her mind over this press conference, basically saying that it is a

00:17:45.000 Full-on disaster, right?

00:17:46.000 She's tweeted out this morning, quote,

00:18:02.000 Your call.

00:18:03.000 I'm good either way.

00:18:04.000 This is all from Ann Coulter.

00:18:06.000 She wrote a book called In Trump We Trust.

00:18:10.000 Right?

00:18:10.000 Not God.

00:18:11.000 In Trump.

00:18:12.000 Well, apparently that trust has been betrayed, according to Coulter.

00:18:15.000 She says, if Trump was Paul Revere, the British, who are some of my best friends, they're coming and going and it's all very exciting.

00:18:21.000 If Trump was Churchill, we shall fight on the beaches.

00:18:23.000 Or if we have a world-class picnic there.

00:18:24.000 Depends entirely on the weather.

00:18:26.000 So, she is just ripping him up and down, suggesting that he has completely failed his own base.

00:18:34.000 That, you know, she called it the lowest day of his presidency.

00:18:38.000 She says, as he considers the utility of walls and promises, Trump should consider that never Trump was toothless, but former Trump will bite.

00:18:47.000 She's going on and on here about Trump's big statement yesterday.

00:19:03.000 There are a lot of people who are very, very critical of Trump here from his right, and Trump should notice that.

00:19:11.000 Now, in reality, is Trump going to be the one who's defining policy?

00:19:14.000 He is not going to be the one defining policy.

00:19:15.000 And Trump basically just throws things out there.

00:19:18.000 Let's be frank about this. 0.99

00:19:19.000 Every time Trump talks, he's throwing crap against the wall. 0.99

00:19:22.000 That's just his strategy, typically. 1.00

00:19:24.000 He's throwing crap against the wall. 0.95

00:19:25.000 So yesterday, in the middle of the meeting, he just throws out there, what if we brought back earmarks? 0.98

00:19:29.000 So if you recall, a few years ago, Congress banned earmarks.

00:19:31.000 Earmarks are the process by which you add pork to bills.

00:19:35.000 The case in favor of earmarks is that you can't get anything done without them because you have to pay off all the members of Congress to vote for your bill.

00:19:41.000 That's the case in favor of earmarks, is what they call pork barrel rolling, that basically you hand somebody pork and then they vote for your bill.

00:19:49.000 That was banned because people said, why are we wasting all this money on the Robert Byrd Memorial Highway in West Virginia in order to pass a defense bill?

00:19:56.000 That makes no sense.

00:19:57.000 Trump says, why don't we bring back the earmarks?

00:19:59.000 And you can see members of Congress are like, wait, what did he just say?

00:20:01.000 The other Republicans are saying, wait, wait, you came here to drain the swamp and now you're talking about earmarks?

00:20:05.000 Really?

00:20:06.000 The old earmark system, how there was a great friendliness when you had earmarks.

00:20:10.000 But of course, they had other problems with earmarks.

00:20:12.000 But maybe all of you should start thinking about going back to a form of earmarks.

00:20:17.000 Because this system... This system... Well, you should do it.

00:20:26.000 And I'm there with you.

00:20:27.000 Because this system really lends itself to not getting along.

00:20:31.000 OK, so much swamp training.

00:20:33.000 So much swamp training.

00:20:34.000 Bring back the earmuffs.

00:20:35.000 My goodness.

00:20:36.000 So Trump says a lot of stuff.

00:20:38.000 But here's the point.

00:20:38.000 In the end, this is going to be negotiated by Congress.

00:20:40.000 And in just a second, I'm going to explain to you what exactly Congress is saying about this.

00:20:45.000 Because Congress has a Congress

00:20:48.000 You know, is obviously Republicans and Democrats have very different visions of this.

00:20:51.000 One of the things that's been kind of hysterical and funny about all of this is the fact that the media were sort of taken aback by Trump speaking in full sentences like a human.

00:21:01.000 And so they started saying, well, everyone agrees on this.

00:21:04.000 They don't.

00:21:05.000 First of all, I think it is important to point out that Jeff Flake is not wrong.

00:21:08.000 The senator from Arizona, when he says that he was surprised at Trump's flexibility at the meeting, I think everyone was on the right, on the left, because this is the thing.

00:21:16.000 Trump doesn't actually have a lot of policy beliefs.

00:21:19.000 This is one of the dangers in Republicans losing Congress.

00:21:21.000 For all of the Republicans who say Trump is the party, Trump is the entire party, if Trump loses Congress, if the Democrats take over the House, and if they take over the Senate, I'm going to talk about the Senate in a few minutes here, because Joe Arpaio announced his candidacy

00:21:33.000 This is a guy who's very angry.

00:21:33.000 Well, I wouldn't say angry.

00:21:55.000 Anxious not to use the veto pen.

00:21:57.000 He wants to get things done.

00:21:58.000 He likes having his name on things.

00:22:00.000 And it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat bill, I think, or a Republican bill.

00:22:02.000 He's not somebody who's going to go to war with Democrats when they run the Congress.

00:22:06.000 It's easy for him to go to war with them when they're in the minority. 0.80

00:22:09.000 It's a lot harder when they're passing bills and putting them on his desk.

00:22:12.000 In any case, here's Jeff Flake saying that he was surprised at Trump's flexibility.

00:22:15.000 Frankly, I went in with pretty low expectations.

00:22:18.000 You don't put 22 people around the table and expect to really negotiate, and we're at a point now where we really need to negotiate.

00:22:27.000 But I was surprised at, you know, when the cameras left, at the President's flexibility on the matter, and that he actually went in and explained what he meant by the wall and border security, and that's helpful.

00:22:40.000 It really is.

00:22:41.000 So there are a couple different positions inside the Republican caucus.

00:22:44.000 The position that's hardline says, we're going to get all the things that Trump originally said he wanted.

00:22:48.000 The position that's softline says, we'll have border security, but no wall.

00:22:51.000 We'll add a few ICE agents.

00:22:53.000 We'll maybe curb the diversity visa lottery, but we're not going to make any big changes.

00:22:57.000 That's how it's going to get hashed out.

00:23:00.000 Just so you know, that's how it's going to get hashed out.

00:23:01.000 It's going to be hashed out.

00:23:03.000 What can you get to 51 with?

00:23:05.000 And it may be something weak.

00:23:06.000 It may be something very weak, because there are a lot of weak Republicans in the Senate.

00:23:10.000 Martha McSally, who's currently running for—she announced yesterday, she's a House member, that she's going to be running for the Senate seat in Arizona to fill Jeff Flake's seat, actually. 1.00

00:23:18.000 She says, listen, we're not going to give them DACA in return for nothing.

00:23:22.000 We're going to have to get something out of this.

00:23:24.000 We've been working on this tirelessly for the last four months together, and we expect to be dropping it as early as tomorrow.

00:23:31.000 And we believe, again, if you look at on the one side, you see the Democrats are asking for the DREAM Act or nothing.

00:23:36.000 That's a non-starter.

00:23:38.000 I think most Republicans are willing to have a conversation about DACA recipients, but we've got to make sure that we secure our border and that we don't end up in a situation where we have 800,000 more DACA recipients in one, two, five years from now. 0.63

00:23:51.000 So these are very reasonable requests that are going to be in our bill that are addressing public safety issues like sanctuary cities, strong border security, also the chain migration visa lottery, and some tweaks to asylum reform, unaccompanied minor reform.

00:24:05.000 Those types of things are going to be in our bill, and this is again us showing that we're willing to be reasonable and address this issue, but we've got to address the root causes as to why we have this issue in the first place.

00:24:15.000 Okay, this is why we need people like McSally actually there.

00:24:19.000 This is why it's important that Republicans not lose seats.

00:24:21.000 And this is why this story about Arpaio running for Senate in Arizona.

00:24:25.000 McSally could be your senator.

00:24:26.000 She has voted 100% of the time with Trump.

00:24:28.000 Not 95%, not 99%, 100% of the time she's voted with Trump.

00:24:33.000 Now, I want to make something clear.

00:24:34.000 Yesterday, I was wrong, and I want to apologize to Kelly Ward.

00:24:37.000 I had suggested that she believed in chemtrails or some such nonsense.

00:24:39.000 That was a rumor that was put out by the McConnell camp.

00:24:41.000 It is not true.

00:24:43.000 She was asked about it at some town hall, and she sort of gave credence to the question mildly.

00:24:47.000 But that's not the case.

00:24:49.000 Kelly Ward has some other problems with her candidacy. 0.96

00:24:50.000 That is not one of them.

00:24:51.000 But Arpaio jumping into the race in Arizona makes it likely that Republicans lose this seat.

00:24:57.000 Right now, Arpaio jumped in and the polls are now showing that Arpaio is running neck and neck with McSally and Ward.

00:25:03.000 So before, Ward was defeating McSally by some huge number.

00:25:08.000 She was up on McSally by 20% or something.

00:25:11.000 Now, it's McSally at 31%, Arpaio at 29%, Ward at 25%.

00:25:12.000 McSally's not a moderate.

00:25:16.000 Kay McSally has pushed a lot of legislation with Democratic co-sponsors, but none of it has been particularly left, for example.

00:25:23.000 She's very pro-life.

00:25:24.000 Again, she's voted 96% of the time with the Republican Party and 100% of the time with President Trump.

00:25:30.000 Her drawback in the primaries is that she was not an ardent supporter of Trump in the 2016 election.

00:25:34.000 She's a retired Air Force colonel who recently joined the House in 2015.

00:25:39.000 She's hawkish on foreign policy.

00:25:41.000 Arpaio, by contrast, is just toxic.

00:25:44.000 He's 85 years old.

00:25:45.000 He was pardoned by President Trump.

00:25:46.000 He was about to go to prison for ignoring a court order to stop racially profiling.

00:25:51.000 Even if you think that sentence was unjust, there are a lot of other problems with Arpaio's candidacy.

00:25:55.000 His office, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, failed to investigate hundreds of sex crimes, including child molestations.

00:26:01.000 They had journalists arrested, and then they had to pay out millions of dollars.

00:26:04.000 in reparations to those journalists.

00:26:06.000 He tried to charge political opponents, apparently.

00:26:08.000 His department at one point burned down a house in search for illegal weapons that weren't found, and killed a dog in the process, and then apparently charged the owner of the home with traffic violations to try and justify it in backwards fashion.

00:26:22.000 They wasted hundreds of millions of dollars in various ways.

00:26:25.000 There's a reason that Arpaio, during the last election cycle in 2016, actually lost his sheriff's race by something like 10 points in the same election where Trump won the state.

00:26:33.000 By three.

00:26:33.000 And also, Arpaio happens to be a birther.

00:26:36.000 There are a lot of drawbacks to Joe Arpaio.

00:26:38.000 He's currently running neck and neck with Kelly Ward and Martha McSally.

00:26:42.000 The big problem here, the biggest problem here, is that when you look at Ward, Ward, who has suggested that John McCain was, quote unquote, directly responsible for the rise of ISIS, and suggested that after McCain was diagnosed with cancer, he should have stepped down in her favor.

00:26:58.000 She does support Trump.

00:26:59.000 She was very supportive of Trump.

00:27:01.000 She was a Steve Bannon project until his career imploded, which we'll talk about in a few minutes.

00:27:05.000 She ran against McCain in a primary in 2016.

00:27:06.000 She lost by 11.

00:27:08.000 The biggest problem for her, Kelly Ward, is that last month a poll showed her losing to Kyrsten Sinema, who is the Democrat in the state of Arizona, by 7 points.

00:27:16.000 So Republicans could lose another Senate seat.

00:27:18.000 They lose one more Senate seat, and it's a 50-50 Senate, okay?

00:27:21.000 And Mike Pence becomes the tiebreaker, and it's unlikely that Republicans don't lose at least one more Senate seat in the upcoming election, given the numbers right now.

00:27:28.000 So figuring all of this, you'd figure that McSally would be running away, but it's McSally 31, Arpaio 29, Ward 25.

00:27:33.000 So basically, it's a three-way dead heat.

00:27:36.000 Did Republicans learn nothing from Roy Moore?

00:27:38.000 Did they learn nothing from the Roy Moore debacle?

00:27:41.000 This is one of my big problems with how people perceive politics right now, and particularly with Arpaio.

00:27:45.000 Less about Ward, who's actually a state legislator, but certainly with Arpaio, is that when you substitute attitude for any level of political acumen or knowledge, when you substitute attitude for policy, you're going to end up with some of the worst people for the office.

00:27:59.000 There's this weird feeling that's now cropped up in the Republican Party, and it was true for Trump.

00:28:03.000 Maybe it'll work out for Trump.

00:28:04.000 Maybe it works out sometimes.

00:28:06.000 It did not work out for Roy Moore.

00:28:08.000 It certainly is not going to work out for Joe Arpaio.

00:28:10.000 And that is that populist style

00:28:13.000 is more important than your ability to get the job done.

00:28:15.000 If by populist style we mean that you're non-elite, you wouldn't want a non-elite plumber.

00:28:21.000 You wouldn't want a non-elite basketball player on your team.

00:28:23.000 I don't know why you would want a non-elite politician just because it makes you feel like he's one of us.

00:28:27.000 A he's one of us is less of an important descriptor than it is an actual counterproductive message to put forward about your legislator.

00:28:35.000 So be a big mistake, I think, for Arpaio, especially because Democrats are going to be intransigent.

00:28:40.000 Let's get to the Democrats here.

00:28:41.000 So Democrats are saying openly that they are not basically going to negotiate here, that all of this yesterday was a fraud.

00:28:48.000 Here is Chuck Schumer.

00:28:49.000 He says, listen, we don't need a border wall.

00:28:51.000 We're not going to do a border wall.

00:28:51.000 It's not happening.

00:28:52.000 To take away the things that are needed to protect the border for a symbolic and ineffective political gesture,

00:29:04.000 There's nothing to this but politics.

00:29:07.000 President Trump is fighting for an empty symbol rather than smart policy that will actually produce better security at our borders.

00:29:15.000 Okay, so there's Schumer saying there won't be any negotiation.

00:29:18.000 Mark Warner is saying that the Democrat from West Virginia, he says that the DREAMers are integral to our country and that we therefore cannot even consider anything except for a clean DACA bill.

00:29:28.000 Andrea, for a long time we've said as part of major immigration reform or even part of giving this immediate relief to these dreamers, 97% of them by the way, who are either working in school or serving in the military, they're integral to our country, but that we would be open to some level of enhanced border security.

00:29:49.000 OK, but they're really not open to any level of enhanced border security.

00:29:51.000 They're going to hold Trump's feet to the fire and force him to back down.

00:29:53.000 In March, Pat Buchanan said this yesterday.

00:29:55.000 I think that is basically correct.

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00:31:44.000 So I do think that there is a little bit of a danger here with regard to people getting too excited about that meeting yesterday with Trump.

00:31:50.000 Not just because he botched the policy, but also because if you're hoping that the media are going to lay off of him because he had a bipartisan meeting, you got another thing coming.

00:31:57.000 What they're going to do is they're going to praise him for his bipartisanship up till the point where he goes back to the original policy he was espousing, at which point they're going to rip him up.

00:32:05.000 And you'll see this in this sort of

00:32:08.000 In this sort of jab and jab and punch pairing from CNN.

00:32:13.000 So here's Dana Bash on CNN praising Trump's meeting yesterday at the White House saying this is what we'd all hope that Trump's presidency could be.

00:32:20.000 I'm sure I'm going to get hit for this and I don't really care.

00:32:22.000 I think that the bottom line is that this is a year ago.

00:32:26.000 This is the presidency that many people thought Donald Trump was capable of.

00:32:30.000 We don't know if this is going to be a results driven debate but just the notion of him being

00:32:38.000 In command of him wanting the cameras in there and wanting the cameras to see him sitting at a table with Democrats and Republicans playing the role of a dealmaker, whether it sees fruition or not.

00:32:49.000 This is what people who had high hopes for the Trump presidency thought it would be.

00:32:55.000 Meeting after meeting like this.

00:32:57.000 OK, so you can see CNN's praising him.

00:32:58.000 Look at that.

00:32:59.000 He's just going to be meeting with Democrats.

00:33:00.000 It's going to be great.

00:33:01.000 Then Jim Acosta, the new chief CNN White House correspondent, whose only job is to yell at Sarah Huckabee Sanders for a living. 0.99

00:33:08.000 He goes in and he yells at Sarah Huckabee Sanders for a living, forcing her to say, listen, I'm not going to negotiate with you, Jim.

00:33:13.000 I mean, the media, in other words, are going to be pro-Trump so long as they think he's making concessions to Democrats.

00:33:18.000 The minute that he doesn't, it's over.

00:33:20.000 Democrats are saying that they may not be in favor of this kind of deal.

00:33:50.000 You can see the media are already pushing Trump on this.

00:33:54.000 So for all the talk about how Trump won a big PR victory yesterday, it is a PR victory. 0.50

00:33:58.000 It stanches the bleeding on the he's crazy talk.

00:34:00.000 But when it comes down to the policy discussion, don't worry, the media will always be out to get President Trump.

00:34:04.000 Just as the courts are, there's a court ruling.

00:34:07.000 This one is coming from a U.S.

00:34:08.000 district judge in San Francisco barring the Trump administration from ending DACA.

00:34:12.000 Okay, that's absurd.

00:34:13.000 That's absurd.

00:34:14.000 It's an executive order.

00:34:15.000 Of course Trump can reverse an executive order.

00:34:17.000 It is obviously legal for Trump to do that, but the district judge, his name is William Alsup, was appointed by Bill Clinton, and of course he says that it is unconstitutional for the Trump administration to rescind DACA.

00:34:28.000 He said, There are a bunch of other courts that have already ruled in favor of Trump on this.

00:34:40.000 He says that ALSEP's justification is that this is arbitrary and capricious.

00:34:47.000 He says that the federal government can't just renege on all of this, but it's just silly.

00:34:51.000 The judicial system is now a tool of the left in cases like this, and it is obvious that if a single federal judge can halt an entire federal program based on that

00:35:00.000 That judge being terrible at his job, then we do have a constitutional separation of powers question that must be rectified.

00:35:07.000 I've always suggested that judicial review is not a power that should be given to federal district court judges at the very least.

00:35:12.000 I mean, it's absurd that the president of the United States enacts a fully constitutional policy and some judge appointed by Bill Clinton says, now you know what?

00:35:20.000 We're going to go no on that.

00:35:22.000 That's sheer nonsense.

00:35:22.000 OK, in other news, Steve Bannon is out at Breitbart News.

00:35:25.000 That is a very good thing.

00:35:26.000 If I have not been clear in my feelings about Steve Bannon, then I would suggest it has more to do with your lack of hearing ability than my lack of clarity. 0.82

00:35:33.000 Because I have been extraordinarily clear that I think Steve Bannon is a snake in the grass, that he is a leech on the ass of power, that Steve Bannon is a barnacle on the wail of others, that he has never built a thing in his life, that he has merely stood on the foundations built by others to glorify himself.

00:35:48.000 Bannon was finally fired yesterday. 0.98

00:35:50.000 Rebecca Mercer apparently was the one responsible for capping Bannon and putting him out of work. 0.78

00:35:55.000 He will now be occupying a cubicle at your local Salvation Army where he can get those clothes that he wears for free.

00:36:01.000 And he can hang out with those who dress like he does.

00:36:05.000 In any case, Bannon being out, I love this story, that he is now going to be getting foreign funding to lobby for trade with China.

00:36:12.000 Or lobby on trade with China, which should just be really entertaining.

00:36:14.000 I'll be entertained to see where Bannon goes next.

00:36:17.000 It is a good moment for Andrew Breitbart.

00:36:19.000 This was not Breitbart.com, it was Bannon.com.

00:36:21.000 The great tragedy in all of this is that Andrew Breitbart's memory was smeared by Steve Bannon turning this site into something it was not.

00:36:27.000 I wanted to play a clip of Andrew Breitbart.

00:36:28.000 I've never done this before because I really hesitate to speak for dead friends.

00:36:33.000 I was close friends with Andrew Breitbart.

00:36:34.000 Andrew was one of the kindest and one of the most garrulous people that I knew.

00:36:40.000 There were a lot of people who met Andrew and felt like they knew him really well, and that's because they did.

00:36:44.000 The thing about Andrew that was so unique as a human being...

00:36:47.000 Is that I knew Andrew from the time I was 26 until he died in 2012.

00:36:49.000 So until I was 28 years old.

00:36:50.000 So I knew him for 11 years.

00:36:50.000 Really, my entire adult life I knew Andrew.

00:36:51.000 And I was friends with Andrew.

00:36:52.000 And there were people who had met Andrew once.

00:37:04.000 Who felt 90% as close to him as I did, and that's because Andrew was utterly transparent about who he was.

00:37:10.000 He was just as outspoken and friendly and fun with people he had just met as people that he was friends with for years and years.

00:37:18.000 I want to show you this clip of Andrew from the Nixon Library, this is in 2011, about a year before he died, talking about what he saw as the role for Breitbart News.

00:37:25.000 Like, what exactly he thought Breitbart News was going to become.

00:37:30.000 And the thing is, we're starting to learn to divorce ourselves from the Democrat media complex.

00:37:37.000 We still turn it on and every now and then think that they're telling us the truth as opposed to trying to manipulate us.

00:37:45.000 And so we're going to have to start asking those questions and asking the hard questions.

00:37:48.000 And I've seen a candidate who was preordained as electable go through three debates

00:37:54.000 And now he's sinking because he couldn't do what everybody assumed that he could do.

00:37:59.000 Stop looking to the media to determine what electable is.

00:38:03.000 OK, so there's Andrew.

00:38:04.000 And what he's really talking about there with the Democrat media complex was this idea that Democrats in the media were combining to create narratives that they were foisting on the American people.

00:38:12.000 And what he saw Breitbart as was a way of debunking those narratives.

00:38:15.000 Instead, Bannon turned it into a personal political weapon against his enemies.

00:38:18.000 So he would use it against enemies of Trump when he felt that was in his interest.

00:38:21.000 He'd use it against Jared Nevonko when he thought that was in his interest.

00:38:24.000 He'd use it against H.R.

00:38:25.000 McMaster.

00:38:25.000 Or he would use it against Ted Cruz.

00:38:27.000 Or he would use it against anybody who he saw as impeding his interests.

00:38:30.000 And then eventually he ended up using it basically against Trump himself.

00:38:33.000 Eventually, he ended up speaking to the media out of line, out of turn, and going after the president's children, and then using Breitbart as sort of a funnel for his viewpoint.

00:38:44.000 It's about time that he was ousted.

00:38:45.000 It's a shame and a tragedy that he was ever put in place.

00:38:48.000 I thought that was a terrible idea to begin with, and the fact that Bannon lasted there for so long is a blot.

00:38:54.000 I only hope that Breitbart News can go back to its original vision as a culture-centric, media narrative fighting site.

00:39:00.000 It'll be hard for them, I think, to go fully back to that because the place has become so ubiquitously known as sort of a Trump fan site that it's going to be difficult for them to back out of that and go back to being a culture site.

00:39:12.000 But I think they need to make that transition.

00:39:13.000 I think that's something that Andrew would have wanted.

00:39:16.000 Andrew never in a million years would have hitched his wagon to one candidate and made that candidate his site.

00:39:21.000 It just wouldn't have happened.

00:39:22.000 He certainly wouldn't have turned his site into a campaign organ.

00:39:25.000 I said this back in March 2016.

00:39:26.000 Go back and listen to my podcast.

00:39:28.000 I talked about what Andrew would have done.

00:39:30.000 In the middle of that campaign, I think Andrew probably would have supported Trump in the end.

00:39:33.000 I think Andrew and I probably would have disagreed on that.

00:39:36.000 But I think that Andrew never would have stood for his site becoming a propaganda outlet or a bullhorn for his own political aspirations or for any particular candidate and sacrificed whatever journalistic integrity remained in order to do that.

00:39:48.000 I think that would have been completely out of bounds.

00:39:51.000 I'm glad that Bannon is gone.

00:39:52.000 I think it's good for the Trump administration.

00:39:53.000 I think it's good for the country.

00:39:54.000 I think that we can now have a real debate over which candidates are good and which candidates are bad outside of the personal Darth Vader posturing of a guy who legitimately never built a movement in his life.

00:40:07.000 He just stood on top of the corpses of other people's political careers, championing himself as their legacy. 0.86

00:40:15.000 So good riddance to bad rubbish when it comes to Steve Bannon.

00:40:19.000 Okay, time for some things I like, some things I hate, and then we'll do a brief Bible talk.

00:40:22.000 So, things I like.

00:40:24.000 This one is recommended by our own Mathis Glover.

00:40:26.000 This is the movie Moon with Sam Rockwell.

00:40:29.000 I watched it the other night with my wife.

00:40:30.000 It's really well done.

00:40:33.000 I mean, I think it was done on like a $5 million budget, and it looks really good.

00:40:37.000 I mean, it's a very good-looking film.

00:40:39.000 The basic

00:40:40.000 Premise is that Sam Rockwell is working for a corporation and his job is to mine on the moon.

00:40:46.000 And then it seems like he's starting to go crazy.

00:40:48.000 And I can't really tell you more than that without giving away some of the plot of the film.

00:40:52.000 But it's a very good looking film.

00:40:53.000 The music is interesting.

00:40:55.000 I will say, I think it's a little bit overlong.

00:40:57.000 I think the runtime on Moon is something like an hour 40.

00:41:01.000 So I think that it's an hour 37.

00:41:04.000 This really should have been more like a Black Mirror episode, is the truth.

00:41:07.000 It should have been more like a Twilight Zone episode.

00:41:09.000 If you had done this movie in an hour 15, then it would have just been fantastic.

00:41:13.000 It's still a good movie, it's just not a fantastic movie because it's at least 25 minutes too long.

00:41:18.000 But Sam Rockwell gives a tremendous performance.

00:41:20.000 I mean, he's really good in it.

00:41:22.000 Here's a little bit of the trailer.

00:41:32.000 Sam Bell reporting to Central.

00:41:34.000 Everything running smoothly?

00:41:36.000 Over and out.

00:41:37.000 Rock and roll.

00:41:38.000 God bless America.

00:41:44.000 Good morning, Sam.

00:41:45.000 Do you want me to cut your hair?

00:41:48.000 Lunar Industries remains the number one provider of clean energy worldwide due to the hard work of people like you.

00:41:56.000 Everything has to be normal.

00:42:01.000 Three years is a long haul, you know?

00:42:03.000 I know you're really lonely up there, but I'm proud of you.

00:42:07.000 Two weeks to go, Sam.

00:42:08.000 Two weeks to go, buddy.

00:42:10.000 I'm going home.

00:42:10.000 Looks like we got a live one.

00:42:13.000 I'm gonna go out.

00:42:14.000 Okay, Sam.

00:42:17.000 I'm going to stop it there because in the next five seconds of the trailer is a bit of a spoiler.

00:42:20.000 So it is a movie that is worth the watch.

00:42:24.000 It's a good, creepy film.

00:42:26.000 OK, other things that I like.

00:42:27.000 So Trump did comment yesterday on Oprah Winfrey's possible candidacy.

00:42:30.000 This is the thing that I think everybody likes about Trump is that the guy certainly has no problem speaking out clearly on what he thinks of himself and his qualities.

00:42:40.000 Here he is going after Oprah Winfrey yesterday.

00:42:43.000 Yeah, I'll beat Oprah. 0.54

00:42:44.000 Oprah would be a lot of fun.

00:42:46.000 I know her very well.

00:42:47.000 You know, I did one of her last shows.

00:42:49.000 She had Donald Trump.

00:42:50.000 This was before politics.

00:42:51.000 Her last week.

00:42:52.000 And she had Donald Trump and my family.

00:42:54.000 It was very nice.

00:42:55.000 No, I like Oprah.

00:42:56.000 I don't think she's gonna run.

00:43:00.000 I don't think she's gonna run.

00:43:01.000 I love the gleam in his eye when he says this.

00:43:03.000 If there's ever a person who has never lacked for ego, Donald Trump is that person.

00:43:07.000 So, you gotta love that a little bit.

00:43:08.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:43:15.000 So Chelsea Manning should be in jail. 1.00

00:43:17.000 Chelsea Manning is of course the transgender woman who was a traitor to the United States and Barack Obama freed Chelsea Manning because Chelsea Manning was transgender.

00:43:25.000 If Chelsea Manning had just been any normal traitor, Chelsea Manning would still be in prison. 1.00

00:43:28.000 But Chelsea Manning on Law Enforcement Appreciation Day tweeted out, 0.51

00:43:33.000 Disarm the police.

00:43:34.000 Hashtag we got this.

00:43:35.000 Hashtag law enforcement appreciation day. 0.96

00:43:37.000 And a lot of emojis because Chelsea Manning is legitimately a person with mental illness. 1.00

00:43:41.000 And Chelsea Manning, again, the fact that this person was freed by the President of the United States to leave prison and then slander law enforcement officers who defend the country as opposed to Chelsea Manning who undermine the country is really despicable.

00:43:53.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:43:54.000 Shannon Sharp, there's this tendency among folks on the left.

00:43:59.000 Thanks for having me.

00:44:19.000 Well, no, it does mean something.

00:44:20.000 It means all men are created equal.

00:44:22.000 And many of the founders knew that that applied to slaves also, including people like Thomas Jefferson, by the way, who essentially said as much at the time, even though he didn't act properly in that way.

00:44:32.000 But here is Shannon Sharp from ESPN suggesting that the Constitution was written for white men and all this nonsense.

00:44:38.000 Rob, you mentioned this.

00:44:39.000 This very country was found on protest.

00:44:41.000 There was something going on in Britain, Skip.

00:44:44.000 Taxation without representation, freedom of religion, and all that other stuff. 0.54

00:44:47.000 Instead of saying they were out, they're called founding fathers.

00:44:52.000 That's what they're called.

00:44:53.000 They're not radicals.

00:44:54.000 Dr. King, he was a radical.

00:44:57.000 Malcolm X. He was a radical.

00:44:59.000 Right.

00:44:59.000 Colin Kaepernick, he was a radical.

00:45:01.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:45:02.000 Because I think there should be justice for everyone.

00:45:04.000 You shouldn't be treated better than me because of the color of your skin.

00:45:07.000 You shouldn't get privileges.

00:45:09.000 All I want is fair and equal.

00:45:11.000 The Constitution said it was going to be fair and equal.

00:45:13.000 Now, I know when you wrote that, you weren't writing it for me, but you said what the Constitution says.

00:45:18.000 It doesn't say white men.

00:45:19.000 It says all men. 0.90

00:45:21.000 Well, they put that in there, but there was no blacks at the table.

00:45:25.000 There were no women at the table. 0.88

00:45:26.000 So in actuality, they meant all men, all white men.

00:45:30.000 OK, so the idea that they wrote the Constitution only for white men is obviously untrue.

00:45:34.000 We actually cut a video on this that I think we're going to be releasing in the near future about why this is completely untrue if we haven't released it already, that the Constitution was written for white men. 0.82

00:45:43.000 It's just nonsense.

00:45:45.000 The idea that it was written for white men ignores

00:45:47.000 All of the Enlightenment philosophy that the Constitution was predicated upon, and the universal principles that the Constitution espouses, just because you are unable to meet your own standards does not mean that the standards don't exist.

00:46:00.000 The Constitution was not just written for white people, and there are great black leaders like Martin Luther King, like Frederick Douglass, like Booker T. Washington, who would have agreed with me, not with Shannon Sharp.

00:46:09.000 Okay, final thing that I hate.

00:46:11.000 Final thing that I hate here, I just have to comment on this.

00:46:14.000 There's this pastor, and he announced at one of his services, I guess his name is Andy Savage, he announced that he had engaged in sexual incidents with a 17-year-old in 1998 when he was a college student working with a Texas church.

00:46:29.000 He admitted this to his congregation and said that he had apologized, and then the crowd gave him a standing ovation.

00:46:34.000 Here's what it looked like.

00:46:35.000 I'm sorry to Jules, to her family, to my family, to my church family, both then and now, and most of all to the Lord.

00:46:45.000 My repentance over this sin 20 years ago was done believing that God's forgiveness is greater than any sin.

00:46:52.000 And I still believe that.

00:46:56.000 Since then, I have tried to live my life in keeping with that original act of repentance.

00:47:01.000 For any painful memories or fresh wounds this has created for anyone, I am sorry.

00:47:09.000 And I humbly ask for your forgiveness.

00:47:13.000 I love you all very much.

00:47:21.000 Okay, that is completely inappropriate.

00:47:23.000 You should not be given an ovation for making a public confession.

00:47:26.000 The purpose of doing repentance is not for other people to forgive you unless you received forgiveness from the person themselves.

00:47:32.000 And apparently, this guy did not get forgiveness from the girl.

00:47:35.000 Apparently, Ms.

00:47:36.000 Woodson said, quote, it's disgusting.

00:47:38.000 She told the New York Times.

00:47:39.000 She said that Savage forced her to perform certain acts upon him.

00:47:45.000 And he said that he thought that the matter had been dealt with.

00:47:48.000 Woodson said that that was not true.

00:47:50.000 She had not brought it to law enforcement.

00:47:51.000 In any case, there is this tendency that we have where we'll say, well, you know, we'll forgive somebody, right?

00:47:57.000 We'll forgive somebody.

00:47:59.000 You see this with politicians all the time.

00:48:00.000 Democrats say, well, I forgive Al Franken.

00:48:02.000 And you'll see people say, well, I forgive Donald Trump, if they're on the right side.

00:48:05.000 Or I forgive Roy Moore.

00:48:06.000 Or if they committed an act of repentance, then we say, well, we forgive them.

00:48:11.000 It is not up to you to forgive a sin committed by somebody against someone who is not you.

00:48:16.000 That's not your job.

00:48:17.000 That's between that person and God and the other person.

00:48:19.000 In Jewish philosophy, right before Yom Kippur, you're supposed to go around asking everybody for forgiveness.

00:48:24.000 But the idea is that God is not really going to forgive you unless you actually ask the person that you have wronged for forgiveness.

00:48:29.000 And you have to ask them for forgiveness at least three times before God has any say in the matter.

00:48:34.000 Just from a religious perspective, the idea of giving somebody a standing ovation for confessing a sin in front of an entire congregation, a sin against another human being, I find that disreputable.

00:48:45.000 I find it disreputable, and I don't think religious people should be cheering anybody who committed a sin against another human being and then confessed it in front of a third party. 0.99

00:48:52.000 You're the third party.

00:48:53.000 You do not have the capacity to do this, okay?

00:48:56.000 It's one of my pet peeves, actually, that there are people who will say things like,

00:49:00.000 Why don't the Jews just forgive the Nazis for the Holocaust, right? 0.98

00:49:04.000 If they were just a little more forgiving.

00:49:05.000 It's not your job to forgive, okay?

00:49:07.000 It's not your job to forgive.

00:49:08.000 You can say that you think it's good that this guy repented.

00:49:10.000 I think it's good that he repented, too.

00:49:12.000 But it's not my job to say that he's off the hook, because he certainly isn't.

00:49:16.000 And giving him a standing ovation is, I think, really kind of a negative, nasty thing for a religious community to be seen as doing.

00:49:23.000 So I actually can't believe it.

00:49:25.000 I forgot to get to the Obama Presidential Library because the design is incredible.

00:49:29.000 So we'll lead off with that tomorrow, I promise, unless there's some other piece of huge breaking news.

00:49:32.000 But we will get to it.

00:49:33.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 10, 2018

Trump’s Immigration Push | Ep. 450

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