The Ben Shapiro Show - March 04, 2025


Trump’s STATE OF THE UNION Pledge


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Tonight, President Trump delivers his first State of the Union address to a Joint Session of Congress. It's not technically a SOTU, but it is in fact a State of The Union address. And when he's done, we're back with a breakdown of what it all means.

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00:00:00.000 Well, folks, tonight, Daily Wire backstage returns live for President Donald Trump's address to a joint session of Congress.
00:00:05.000 We are covering it all like never before with Matt Walsh and me.
00:00:09.000 Live from D.C., do not miss the exclusive pre-show at 8.30 p.m.
00:00:12.000 Eastern, followed by the full address completely uninterrupted.
00:00:15.000 And when he's done, we're back with a breakdown of what it all means.
00:00:17.000 Watch with us tonight, 8.30 p.m.
00:00:19.000 Eastern time on Daily Wire+.
00:00:21.000 Speaking of which, the President of the United States tonight.
00:00:24.000 We'll be speaking to a joint session of Congress.
00:00:26.000 It's not technically a State of the Union address, but it is, in fact, a State of the Union address.
00:00:31.000 It's just that in your first year, you don't really do that.
00:00:34.000 In any case, President Trump is going to be saying a lot of things according to his Truth Social quote, all caps.
00:00:40.000 Tomorrow night will be big.
00:00:41.000 I will tell it like it is.
00:00:43.000 Well, I mean, I think we're pretty used to that, so it'll be interesting to see what exactly that encompasses.
00:00:48.000 But there is a lot happening.
00:00:49.000 Most of it good.
00:00:51.000 Some of it dicey.
00:00:52.000 A lot of it risky.
00:00:54.000 I think we are all invested in the success of the Trump administration.
00:00:57.000 We should be.
00:00:58.000 As Americans, we should be invested in President Trump being a wild success in the economy going up and to the right, in immigration going down, illegal immigration going down, in world security getting stronger.
00:01:08.000 We should be invested in all of these things because, after all, we are all invested in a better America for everyone.
00:01:14.000 And again, on many of these things, President Trump's mere presence in the White House has changed things radically.
00:01:19.000 Most obviously...
00:01:20.000 With regard to illegal immigration.
00:01:22.000 So, this was Trump's raison d'etre.
00:01:24.000 This is the reason he entered politics in the first place in 2015-2016.
00:01:28.000 It is now a decade later, and President Trump is doing the thing that Democrats said was impossible.
00:01:33.000 They said, without a giant piece of legislation from Congress, there was, in fact, no way to bring down the rates of illegal immigration.
00:01:40.000 And then, it turns out, all it took was a president who says he's going to deport illegal immigrants, and the rates of illegal immigration drop effectively to zero.
00:01:48.000 According to Breitbart.com, a social media post by the chief of the U.S. Border Patrol, Michael Banks, shows February apprehensions to be a record low for the agency.
00:01:56.000 Banks' post reveals the startling impact of the Trump presidency on illegal migration to the United States in the 42 days since assuming office.
00:02:03.000 Banks posted, quote, February proves our combined efforts in securing the border work.
00:02:08.000 U.S. Border Patrol apprehended 8,326 illegal aliens at the U.S.-Mexico border, making it the lowest month in recorded history.
00:02:14.000 That's an insanely low number.
00:02:16.000 Insanely low.
00:02:18.000 Remember that there were months during the Biden administration where in excess of 200,000 illegal immigrants were crossing the border every single month.
00:02:27.000 There were days that were like 8,000, 10,000 illegal immigrants arriving at the border.
00:02:33.000 That is a drop of 94%.
00:02:35.000 94% from the 140,000 encountered just one year ago.
00:02:43.000 Even since December, that is a drop of 82%.
00:02:47.000 And there's only one reason for that, and that is the presence of President Trump in the White House, Tom Homan, as his borders are.
00:02:53.000 Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem.
00:02:56.000 This is an administration that takes illegal immigration very seriously.
00:02:58.000 And you know what?
00:02:59.000 Illegal immigrants are not coming. 1.00
00:03:00.000 It turns out all it took was a new president to fix this particular problem.
00:03:05.000 Meanwhile, there are other percolating problems that President Trump is taking on.
00:03:11.000 So, there was a big announcement yesterday.
00:03:13.000 President Trump announced that TSMC... We're good to go.
00:03:29.000 That Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company will be investing at least $100 billion more in chip manufacturing plants in the United States over the next several years.
00:03:37.000 TSMC, according to the Wall Street Journal, plans to use the funds to add to its chip manufacturing that's already building in Arizona.
00:03:43.000 It will construct three new chip plants, two chip packaging plants, and a research and development center, according to Chief Executive C.C. Wei.
00:03:50.000 Here's President Trump at the White House announcing this yesterday.
00:03:53.000 Today, Taiwan Semiconductor is announcing that they will be investing at least $100 billion in new capital in the United States over the next short period of time to build state-of-the-art semiconductor manufacturing facilities.
00:04:09.000 I think mostly it's going to be in Arizona, which is what I understand, which is a great state.
00:04:14.000 I like it because I won it.
00:04:17.000 But I won most of them, actually.
00:04:19.000 But I did.
00:04:20.000 We won it, and we won it big.
00:04:22.000 The most powerful AI chips in the world will be made right here in America.
00:04:26.000 Again, this is a big win for President Trump.
00:04:29.000 It follows on a commitment by TSMC to build a chip factory in Arizona for $12 billion back in 2020. President Trump said if they did the chips in Taiwan to send them here, they would have a 25% or 30% or 50% tariff.
00:04:42.000 It'll only go up.
00:04:43.000 By doing it here, there are no tariffs.
00:04:45.000 So the company is now planning to spend a total of $165 billion.
00:04:50.000 Now, that is good for a couple of reasons.
00:04:52.000 That is good, number one, obviously, because it creates jobs in the United States.
00:04:55.000 It is also good because it diversifies the sources of semiconductors.
00:05:00.000 If, God forbid, the Chinese were to blockade Taiwan, and it's three years from now, presumably TSMC would have set up chip manufacturing facilities in the United States sufficient to prevent the Chinese from essentially shutting down the world economy. 0.98
00:05:12.000 That is a major issue.
00:05:14.000 Semiconductors are the new oil.
00:05:15.000 Lack of semiconductors can shut down entire massive industries in the United States.
00:05:19.000 Everything from your phone to your car to your refrigerator runs on semiconductors.
00:05:23.000 And so, were China to grab control of TSMC in Taiwan, it would be a world catastrophe. 0.85
00:05:29.000 Diversifying that resource inside the United States is, of course, a good move for the United States.
00:05:33.000 It also happens to be a good move for TSMC for a couple of reasons.
00:05:36.000 One, it means that the United States is now invested in making sure that TSMC is not victimized by the Chinese in Taiwan. 0.98
00:05:43.000 President Trump would love to see all this investment.
00:05:45.000 Move from TSMC in Taiwan to the United States.
00:05:48.000 But if TSMC in Taiwan stops existing, it's very hard for that money to make the move.
00:05:52.000 And two, again, when it comes to U.S. domestic production of resources that are actually crucial national security industries, it makes sense to subsidize that production in the United States to reshore it in the United States.
00:06:06.000 Since the Biden administration, the United States has expressed concerns about TSMC's near monopoly on advanced chip manufacturing and has been urging the company to relocate.
00:06:17.000 The U.S. supported TSMC's growth through the 2022 Chips Act.
00:06:22.000 That was a giant subsidy act by the Biden administration.
00:06:25.000 Now, one of the problems is that it's going to take a while for these factories to come online.
00:06:30.000 It is not as though the money comes in and magically TSMC is up and running in the United States and Arizona the same way it is up and running in Taiwan.
00:06:38.000 But looking down the road, the production of these semiconductors is going to be incredibly important.
00:06:43.000 And again, domestic chip manufacturing capacity is a national security imperative.
00:06:48.000 So that makes a lot of sense.
00:06:50.000 Trump said on the campaign trail, quote, Taiwan pretty much has a monopoly on that market.
00:06:55.000 We must be able to build the chips and semiconductors we need right here in American factories with American skill and American labor, and that's exactly what we are doing.
00:07:02.000 This, of course, follows very hard on the building of other gigantic AI-based facilities by, for example, OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank.
00:07:11.000 You remember, just last month, OpenAI's Sam Altman, Oracle, and SoftBank pledged to invest as much as $500 billion into building AI infrastructure in the United States.
00:07:21.000 Last week, Apple said it planned to spend more than $500 billion and add 20,000 jobs over the next four years domestically to expand its own manufacturing footprint in the United States.
00:07:31.000 Now, the reality is Apple was already doing some of this.
00:07:34.000 Apple was already building its domestic manufacturing base, but it gives a win to President Trump, which is a smart piece of politicking by Apple.
00:07:42.000 That's the good news.
00:07:43.000 The bad news yesterday is that the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped massively on news that President Trump was interested in reinstating all of these 25% tariffs against Canada and Mexico.
00:07:55.000 The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped about 1.5%.
00:07:58.000 At one point, it was down 750 points.
00:08:00.000 It closed down about 650 points.
00:08:02.000 And there's a lot of angst, a lot of heartburn over President Trump's announcements about tariffs.
00:08:08.000 According to the Associated Press, And this is where President Trump does have to walk very carefully.
00:08:23.000 Inflation killed Joe Biden's presidency.
00:08:26.000 If you wish to see President Trump be successful, he needs a booming economy.
00:08:29.000 He cannot have a recessionary economy.
00:08:32.000 If tariffs continue to drive up prices, and if wages do not increase sufficient to meet those prices, you're going to be in exactly the same predicament.
00:08:40.000 In which Joe Biden found himself.
00:08:43.000 Now again, I'm perfectly fine with using tariffs as leverage.
00:08:45.000 If the goal of a tariff is to get other countries to lower their own tariffs, if the idea is, you have a 25% tariff on our lumber, and now we have to put a 25% tariff on your oil products, and then we trade one for the other, and all the tariffs go away.
00:08:58.000 I'm perfectly fine with that.
00:08:59.000 If the idea of a tariff is to threaten, say, the country of Colombia with a 50% tariff in order to get them to take deportees, great. 0.86
00:09:07.000 That is a piece of leverage.
00:09:09.000 I still am unclear as to what the actual demand is against Mexico or Canada that would get rid of the tariffs.
00:09:16.000 If the idea of the tariffs is that they are inherently a good for the United States, that is not true.
00:09:22.000 Tariffs are in fact a tax on American consumers.
00:09:24.000 They drive up the prices.
00:09:25.000 President Trump is playing a bit of a risky game when it comes to tariffs.
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00:11:39.000 Now, again, there may be industries, like, for example, semiconductors, where you need them produced domestically for national security reasons.
00:11:46.000 They simply can't be produced in China or in any place that is subject to Chinese predation.
00:11:50.000 I get that, and I'm all for it.
00:11:51.000 And it's another thing to say that Canada is some sort of deep and abiding national security threat requiring widespread 25% tariffs on Canadian products.
00:12:00.000 Canada, by the way, is the number one trade partner with the United States.
00:12:04.000 Here was...
00:12:05.000 President Trump yesterday saying there's no room left for negotiations.
00:12:08.000 I wasn't even aware there were negotiations going on.
00:12:11.000 On the tariffs, is there any room left for Canada and Mexico to make a deal before midnight?
00:12:15.000 And should we expect those Chinese tariffs, the extra 10% to take?
00:12:18.000 No room left for Mexico or for Canada.
00:12:22.000 No, the tariffs, you know, they're all set.
00:12:24.000 They go into effect tomorrow.
00:12:25.000 Now, again, I just want to know why.
00:12:27.000 Like, well, what are we getting out of this?
00:12:28.000 As American consumers, what do we receive from the tariffs?
00:12:32.000 I understand the theory.
00:12:34.000 Which is that there are going to be a lot of companies that reshore inside the United States.
00:12:37.000 And it's true. 0.56
00:12:38.000 There will be jobs in those industries.
00:12:39.000 But the thing about tariffs is that they have a discrete beneficiary and they have diffuse victims.
00:12:47.000 In other words, there's a group of people who benefit from the tariffs and everyone else pays.
00:12:50.000 It is essentially a subsidy from every other consumer in the United States to people in those industries that are now going to be making more money.
00:12:57.000 And that is what a tariff actually does.
00:12:59.000 Which is why, yesterday, Warren Buffett was criticizing tariffs as a general matter.
00:13:04.000 How do you think tariffs will affect the economy?
00:13:08.000 I mean, tariffs are actually, we've had a lot of experience with them.
00:13:12.000 They're an act of war, to some degree.
00:13:16.000 How do you think tariffs will impact inflation?
00:13:19.000 Over time, there are attacks on goods.
00:13:22.000 I mean, you know, the tooth fairy doesn't pay them.
00:13:26.000 Buffett knows of what he speaks.
00:13:29.000 The Canadian foreign minister already said, quote, if Trump is imposing tariffs, we're ready.
00:13:32.000 We're ready with $155 billion worth of tariffs, and we're ready with the first tranche of tariffs, which is $30 billion.
00:13:40.000 Again, that would be the Canadian foreign minister, MĂ©lenchie Jolie.
00:13:44.000 She also said that Canada has a very strong border plan and explained that to Trump officials last week.
00:13:49.000 She said diplomatic efforts are continuing.
00:13:51.000 So again, if this is again just another gambit by President Trump to get a win out of Canada, that's fine with me.
00:13:57.000 If, however, This goes back to President Trump's sort of general warmth for tariffs.
00:14:02.000 That's not good policy.
00:14:03.000 It just isn't.
00:14:04.000 The idea, by the way, that tariffs are going to pay off the national debt, that's nonsense.
00:14:07.000 The amount that tariffs paid last year was something like $80 billion.
00:14:11.000 The national debt in the United States is $37 trillion.
00:14:14.000 So, yeah, that is not going to work.
00:14:17.000 There will be some good headlines that emerge.
00:14:19.000 So, for example, Honda is now going to produce the next Civic in Indiana, not Mexico, apparently due to U.S. tariffs.
00:14:25.000 This is according to Reuters.
00:14:27.000 The change underscores how manufacturers are scrambling to adapt to President Trump's proposed 25% tariffs on goods from both Mexico and Canada.
00:14:34.000 This is the first concrete measure by a major Japanese car company.
00:14:38.000 Now, again, that's going to be good for the people who are living in Indiana who get to work at the factories that are making the Honda Civic.
00:14:45.000 It's not necessarily going to be good for all the American consumers who are now going to be paying more money for the Honda Civic, which is presumably what is going to happen here.
00:14:53.000 The prices are going to go up.
00:14:55.000 Mexico has long been a lower-cost production hub for Japanese and other global automakers.
00:15:01.000 So, reshoring, it does have costs, and we should recognize those costs of which should be realistic about the prospects of the Trump economy.
00:15:09.000 And again, we need a strong economy from President Trump.
00:15:12.000 There are some blinking red lights here.
00:15:14.000 I've been saying for several weeks at this point, really since President Trump took office.
00:15:18.000 That the number one focus of the Trump administration has to be to get the economy back on track.
00:15:22.000 What does that mean?
00:15:23.000 It means productivity increases, yes, through things like AI, but it also means radical deregulation.
00:15:29.000 Doge has been focused up till now on getting rid of much of the personnel at a wide variety of government agencies.
00:15:35.000 That's all fine.
00:15:36.000 That's all great.
00:15:37.000 I'm glad to get rid of those personnel, although Democrats will just rehire them as soon as they regain power at some point.
00:15:42.000 What really needs to change is the regulatory and tax structure of the United States.
00:15:46.000 Which is why it's very important that Trump's tax cuts become permanent.
00:15:50.000 It's really important that the regulatory state get off the back of the American business person.
00:15:56.000 Right now, the models that are being utilized by the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta are showing economic contraction in the first quarter.
00:16:03.000 The Atlanta Fed's GDP Now model had up until the February 28th update been forecasting growth between 2% and 4% in line with other models.
00:16:12.000 However, A graph on the GPN Now page lists the blue-chip consensus average of the top 10 and bottom 10 forecast at a slight tick more than 2% U.S. GDP growth for Q1 2025. But the February 28th update of GDP Now saw a plummeting forecast from roughly that same 2% to negative 1.5%.
00:16:31.000 The model updated Monday with an even more pessimistic outlook, negative 2.8%.
00:16:36.000 Those are mathematical models.
00:16:38.000 Now, again, that could be totally wrong.
00:16:40.000 However, There are a lot of rumblings in the business community that things like tariffs, like the overvaluing of the stock market that has occurred due to the inflationary spiral brought since COVID, that's destined to come down.
00:16:52.000 I've pointed this out before, but the Magnificent Seven, the top seven companies in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, those top seven companies have a price to earnings ratio almost of 60. That means the total price of the company.
00:17:08.000 Compared to the earnings of the company on an annualized basis, 60. That's crazy.
00:17:13.000 That's completely out of whack.
00:17:15.000 The entire Dow Jones industrial average at this point has a P-E ratio of about 26. It really needs to be down at about 16. It's too high.
00:17:28.000 Meanwhile, real estate is also getting stuck.
00:17:31.000 Because the interest rates remain relatively high by historical standards.
00:17:35.000 And that means that grandma doesn't want to sell her house because if she sells her house, she's going to have to buy a new house with a worse interest rate. 0.99
00:17:40.000 That means inventory is not actually matching demand.
00:17:44.000 There are all sorts of problems with the economy.
00:17:46.000 The administration needs to focus laser-like on that because nothing kills an administration faster than a weak economy. 0.99
00:17:52.000 Joe Biden learned this the hard way.
00:17:54.000 Speaking of which, there's a lot of consternation rising over looming government shutdown.
00:17:59.000 According to the Washington Post, Congress has less than two weeks to extend federal spending laws and keep the government open.
00:18:05.000 Republican negotiators walked away from talks over the weekend to reach a deal on a top-line number on how much the federal government should spend for the rest of 2025. Democrats had said the number is irrelevant if Trump refuses to spend the money in accordance with the law, or if he allows Doge to basically go through with a red pen.
00:18:21.000 Meanwhile, Trump and his advisors, including Budget Chief Russell Vaught, have argued the president has the power to withhold money Congress orders spent.
00:18:28.000 Democrats say they want assurances from congressional Republicans in the White House the administration will actually spend any money included in any new law preventing a shutdown.
00:18:37.000 Now, Republicans theoretically could continue to pass a continuing resolution.
00:18:42.000 They could avert a government shutdown on their own.
00:18:45.000 But that's going to require Republicans to get together again.
00:18:48.000 So once again, heavy burden falls on Speaker of the House Mike Johnson on all of this stuff because of the narrowness of his majority.
00:18:56.000 Now, Democrats are already preparing the bad headlines.
00:19:00.000 Democrats are eager for a bad headline.
00:19:03.000 According to CNBC, Democrats are now claiming that because the Social Security Administration is opening its doors to Doge, this means that presumably Social Security payments will be missed.
00:19:14.000 That, of course, would be a killer for the Trump administration, were it to be true.
00:19:19.000 Former Commissioner and former Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley told CNBC, quote, ultimately you're going to see the system collapse and an interruption of benefits.
00:19:26.000 I believe you'll see that within the next 30 to 90 days.
00:19:28.000 Now, it is worth noting here that Martin O'Malley is a wild Democrat who at one point actually, I believe, ran for the head of the Democratic National Committee.
00:19:38.000 So there's that.
00:19:40.000 However, all it takes is one bad headline, truly one bad headline, to switch public opinion on a lot of the things that are going on right now.
00:19:48.000 So it's wonderful the Trump administration is moving fast and breaking things and tearing down bad systems.
00:19:53.000 What they're doing on immigration is fantastic.
00:19:55.000 What Doge is doing, I think, is wonderful.
00:19:58.000 However, the economy must continue to sail.
00:20:01.000 It must.
00:20:02.000 And the perception of American strength must continue, which brings us to the situation in Ukraine.
00:20:07.000 So I don't know what in the hell Vladimir Zelensky thinks he's doing at this point.
00:20:10.000 I, honest to God, don't understand it.
00:20:12.000 The president of Ukraine seems to believe that if he continues to chide President Trump and then say...
00:20:19.000 Rather untethered things about the war that somehow this is going to earn him the support of America in some way.
00:20:25.000 So President Trump has made very clear he wants a ceasefire.
00:20:28.000 He wants this war ended as soon as possible.
00:20:30.000 And meanwhile, Zelensky is out there preaching that the war is never going to end.
00:20:33.000 That the end of the war is still very, very far away.
00:20:36.000 What does he think Trump is going to do?
00:20:38.000 Of course, President Trump is going to see that as a rebuke to him.
00:20:41.000 Here was Zelensky yesterday.
00:20:44.000 He says an agreement to end the war is still very, very far away, and no one has started all these steps yet.
00:20:53.000 The peace that we foresee in the future must be just, honest, and most importantly, sustainable.
00:20:58.000 Now that, of course, was almost designed to earn President Trump's umbrage.
00:21:02.000 President Trump immediately responded by saying he better not be right about the end of the war being far away.
00:21:08.000 Here he was in a press conference yesterday.
00:21:11.000 President Zelensky supposedly made a statement today in AP. I'm not a big fan of AP, so maybe it was an incorrect statement, but he said he thinks the war's gonna go on for a long time.
00:21:23.000 And he better not be right about that.
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00:23:34.000 Okay, Trump then put out a statement on Truth Social.
00:23:37.000 Quote, this is the worst statement that could have been made by Zelensky and America will not put up with it for much longer.
00:23:42.000 It is what I was saying.
00:23:43.000 This guy does not want there to be peace as long as he has America's backing and Europe in the meeting they had with Zelensky stated flatly they cannot do the job without the United States.
00:23:50.000 Probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show of strength against Russia.
00:23:54.000 What are they thinking?
00:23:56.000 And he ain't wrong about that.
00:23:57.000 What are they thinking is, in fact, the question of the day.
00:24:02.000 Trump went on to bang on Zelensky by suggesting that Zelensky really needs to switch his approach or he will be gone in short order.
00:24:13.000 I think everybody has to get into a room, so to speak, and we have to make a deal.
00:24:18.000 And the deal can be made very fast.
00:24:20.000 It should not be that hard a deal to make.
00:24:22.000 It could be made very fast.
00:24:24.000 Now, maybe somebody doesn't want to make a deal.
00:24:26.000 And if somebody doesn't want to make a deal, I think that person won't be around very long.
00:24:30.000 That person will not be listened to very long.
00:24:33.000 I gave Russia nothing except grief. 1.00
00:24:37.000 I gave them nothing.
00:24:39.000 I gave them sanctions and javelins.
00:24:41.000 That's what I gave them.
00:24:42.000 Obama gave him sheets, and you heard that statement before.
00:24:45.000 It's a very famous, Trump gave him javelins and Obama gave him sheets, and then they say how close I am to Russia.
00:24:51.000 Again, President Trump does not want to be perceived as a sort of stand-in for Vladimir Putin in all of this.
00:24:58.000 Trump was ready to do the thing earlier last week.
00:25:01.000 He was ready to do the thing.
00:25:03.000 He wanted to sign, as I've said over and over and over, that rare earths mineral deal.
00:25:06.000 Why?
00:25:07.000 Because the goal was to do with Zelensky what he's currently doing with Taiwan.
00:25:11.000 Again, TSMC is the company in Taiwan that makes the semiconductors.
00:25:15.000 Those semiconductors are now going to be made partially in the United States.
00:25:19.000 Taiwan is going to invest via TSMC. TSMC, the company, is going to be investing $100 billion in American domestic manufacturing of semiconductors.
00:25:27.000 That serves a dual purpose.
00:25:29.000 One, it reassures some key items that America wants and needs.
00:25:33.000 And two, it also means that the United States is now invested in the continued success, health, and prosperity of TSMC. Which means more invested in Taiwan.
00:25:41.000 Trump was trying to do that exact same thing with Ukraine.
00:25:46.000 He didn't want to issue an open security guarantee because the situation is too volatile.
00:25:52.000 He just wanted the Rare Earths Minerals deal as a way, a wedge, to get in.
00:25:56.000 He openly said this during the press conference.
00:25:58.000 He said it.
00:25:59.000 He kept this close to just saying he was going to give a security guarantee that was effectively a caveat to the Rare Earths Minerals deal.
00:26:06.000 And top Republicans are still hoping.
00:26:08.000 That Zelensky comes back to the table on that thing.
00:26:11.000 I don't know what the hell Zelensky is doing.
00:26:12.000 Seriously, as someone who would like to see Ukraine capable of standing up to Russian predations, I do not know what Zelensky is thinking here.
00:26:21.000 According to Politico, Congressional Republicans are signaling they want President Trump and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky to patch things up after a testy Oval Office meeting casts significant doubt about the future of the U.S.-Ukraine relationship.
00:26:32.000 GOP lawmakers on Monday sought to lower the temperature just days after the clash between the leaders since shockwaves.
00:26:37.000 Through Washington and Europe, with members of Trump's party expressing optimism, the nations could still clinch a minerals deal to bolster U.S. backing for Ukraine.
00:26:45.000 Senate Majority Leader John Thune said, quote, I just hope they can get things back on track and that everybody will redouble their efforts.
00:26:50.000 He said this is a historic opportunity, a potentially historic agreement.
00:26:53.000 Obviously, last week was a missed opportunity, but I think if people are operating in good faith, I think we could get things back on the rails.
00:27:01.000 Meanwhile, we'll see what President Trump has to say about all of this in his speech to a joint session of Congress.
00:27:07.000 On Tuesday, Lindsey Graham, who had blasted Zelensky on Friday, said, quote, I've told President Zelensky, do the minerals deal.
00:27:15.000 See if we can get an arms package.
00:27:17.000 We'll talk about a good ending to the war.
00:27:18.000 That's the sequence.
00:27:19.000 The more he talks about security guarantees and the war is going to be a long time away from ending, the harder his case will be.
00:27:24.000 Speaker Johnson also defended Trump on Monday, but added, quote, I encourage, as I did over the weekend, President Zelensky to come back to the table and accept the deal that was proposed because that is the solution.
00:27:33.000 To get us out of this mess.
00:27:34.000 And again, that's totally correct.
00:27:35.000 That's totally correct.
00:27:36.000 As I said yesterday on the show, there is a wide-ranging belief that President Trump is attempting to rewrite America's power in the world by granting spheres of influence to China or to Russia.
00:27:47.000 That's not, I think, what he is doing.
00:27:49.000 It's not what he was doing.
00:27:51.000 President Trump has had a long-standing belief that when America intervenes in places around the world, America gets repaid.
00:27:58.000 He believed this about Kuwait and Iraq.
00:28:01.000 And by the way, this is not a rare belief in American foreign policy history.
00:28:05.000 When America supported Great Britain during World War II, the initial move towards supporting Great Britain was a program called Lend-Lease, in which the United States ended up with control of a huge number of very important British military bases.
00:28:19.000 So the idea that America always gets nothing out of its foreign relations is just not true.
00:28:24.000 What President Trump is attempting to do here makes perfect sense, which, by the way, is why His perspective remains popular.
00:28:31.000 So Harry Enten at CNN actually did some polling on this.
00:28:33.000 And he said, you know, shockingly, to Democrats at least, Joe Biden was wildly unpopular on Ukraine and Trump is pretty popular on Ukraine.
00:28:41.000 You look at Joe Biden back in 2024. He was 22 points underwater.
00:28:46.000 Holy cow. 0.89
00:28:47.000 You look at Donald Trump, it's just a different planet entirely.
00:28:50.000 I mean, the gulf between these two is wider than the Gulf of America or Mexico, depending on which side of the aisle you stand on.
00:28:55.000 He's at plus two.
00:28:57.000 So look, at this particular point, Americans are giving Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.
00:29:01.000 He's doing considerably better than Joe Biden was doing on the handling of the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
00:29:07.000 And so on this simple question, I think Americans are saying, OK, Donald Trump's doing all right on this.
00:29:13.000 Why do Americans feel that way?
00:29:14.000 Because what Americans want is the rational thing.
00:29:16.000 They know the war isn't going anywhere.
00:29:18.000 They want an off-ramp.
00:29:19.000 Now, Americans want an off-ramp.
00:29:21.000 Americans like foreign policy off-ramps. 0.84
00:29:23.000 There's one thing Americans really like a lot worse than foreign policy off-ramps.
00:29:27.000 And it's not even endless war.
00:29:28.000 Americans don't like endless war.
00:29:29.000 In order of things Americans hate.
00:29:31.000 They hate endless war.
00:29:33.000 And then, even more than endless war, they hate ignominious surrender.
00:29:37.000 They really don't like ignominious surrender.
00:29:40.000 Americans were humiliated.
00:29:41.000 By Joe Biden's pullout from Afghanistan.
00:29:43.000 They hated Joe Biden for it.
00:29:45.000 Look at his approval ratings.
00:29:46.000 They sank into the mire.
00:29:47.000 What does that mean?
00:29:48.000 It means that while Americans do not want to continue to fund the Ukrainian war indefinitely, they also do not want to see pictures of Russian soldiers strolling through Kiev.
00:29:56.000 That is not something they want.
00:29:57.000 They do not want Vladimir Putin standing on Vladimir Zelensky's body in the middle of the street.
00:30:02.000 That's not something they want.
00:30:04.000 Which is why the Trump administration move, I think it's a pressure tactic to get Zelensky to come back to the table and sign the Rare Earths Minerals deal.
00:30:10.000 So I think Zelensky really should do it.
00:30:13.000 But the administration announced yesterday that they would pause all military aid to Kiev until President Trump determines that the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky is making a good-faith effort toward peace negotiations with Russia.
00:30:25.000 Now, this, I do think, is not a particularly good move.
00:30:27.000 And the reason I'm not sure that this is a particularly good move is because if you're Vladimir Putin, what would drive you to the table?
00:30:32.000 It takes two to tango here.
00:30:34.000 What moves has Putin affirmatively made toward a deal?
00:30:39.000 Now, again, I can say all day long that I think I know what a deal looks like.
00:30:42.000 It looks like the Europeans give a security guarantee to the Ukrainians.
00:30:46.000 The Ukrainians feel some level of security.
00:30:48.000 They're not going to be invaded by Russia again.
00:30:49.000 And Donbass and Crimea go to Russia, right?
00:30:51.000 That's been the deal since 2022. But is Russia willing to accept that deal?
00:30:55.000 Or do they believe that the United States is going to pull out and that the Europeans will pull out and that Vladimir Putin will eventually stroll through Kiev?
00:31:04.000 So, if this is a short-term tactic, a pause, which it seems to be, Fine.
00:31:08.000 If it's a pause that's designed to get Zelensky back to the table, sign the rare earth mineral deal, we all move forward hand in hand, great.
00:31:15.000 But how Russia reads it is going to make quite a large difference here.
00:31:17.000 If Russia reads a pause in military aid to Ukraine as new impetus to relaunch a mass offensive, that will lengthen the war.
00:31:26.000 It will not shorten the war.
00:31:27.000 It will lengthen the war.
00:31:28.000 Again, usually when you're making this sort of negotiation, yeah, you're pressuring Zelensky to come to the table by telling him, we're not going to be here forever.
00:31:34.000 But at the same time, you're saying to Putin, You also need to come to the table with some concessions in hand, or we're going to increase the amount of military aid that we are giving to Ukraine.
00:31:44.000 Putin's whole game here is he thinks he can outlast the West, and so far, he hasn't been wrong.
00:31:50.000 A White House official said in a statement, quote, The President has been clear he is focused on peace.
00:31:53.000 We need our partners to be committed to that goal as well.
00:31:55.000 We are pausing and reviewing our aid to ensure that it is contributing to a solution.
00:32:00.000 Well, again, I get it as a temporary pause to push Zelensky.
00:32:04.000 I will also say that one thing that does not necessarily contribute to a solution is if Russia perceives massive weakness and then goes for it.
00:32:13.000 The White House did not say under what conditions the United States would resume it or whether it would be at the same pace.
00:32:18.000 While there isn't a clear understanding of what Washington wants from Kiev, the decision was the most demonstrative U.S. shift from Ukraine's top ally.
00:32:25.000 And again, this seems all quite easy to fix by Zelensky.
00:32:30.000 See you next week.
00:32:31.000 if Zelensky simply wants to fix this, all he has to do is sign the deal he said he was going to sign back on Friday.
00:32:39.000 What a historic, catastrophic boo-boo by Vladimir Zelensky.
00:32:42.000 Seriously.
00:32:44.000 Mark Kansian, a retired Marine Corps colonel, former U.S. official at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said, quote, Ukraine wouldn't surrender tomorrow or next week, but they would lose military capability gradually At some point, they would face defeat.
00:32:58.000 So, again, do I think that this is like a massive deal that the Trump administration is doing this?
00:33:04.000 No, because I think, once again, this is a negotiation tactic by Trump to get Zelensky back to the table to sign the things Zelensky needs to sign.
00:33:12.000 The Europeans, for their part, are freaking out.
00:33:14.000 They believe that this is somehow a repudiation of NATO. President Trump, in that press conference, said he was not repudiating NATO. I understand that Elon said that we should get out of NATO. That's stupid.
00:33:23.000 I'm sorry.
00:33:24.000 It's dumb.
00:33:25.000 The United States should not, in fact, get out of NATO. There's no purpose to getting out of NATO unless you actually wish the Russians to walk into the Baltics. 0.74
00:33:32.000 If you wish them to enlarge their sphere of influence, get out of NATO. But President Trump doesn't want to get out of NATO. He said he doesn't.
00:33:38.000 He wants them paying their fair share.
00:33:40.000 He wants them paying their 3%.
00:33:41.000 He said he wants to defend Poland.
00:33:43.000 He wants Poland to be able to defend itself.
00:33:47.000 The sort of rush to Trump is an isolationist seems unjustifiable, even in the face of the argument he's currently having with Vladimir Zelensky.
00:33:55.000 I say once more.
00:33:57.000 He was trying to get to an agreement on Friday.
00:34:00.000 It's so irritating.
00:34:01.000 He was trying to get there.
00:34:04.000 Nonetheless, the worry is out there.
00:34:05.000 Retired Navy Admiral James Stavridis, who served as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander, said, quote, I worry we may be in the last days of NATO. He said the transatlantic alliance may not be about to collapse, but I can sure hear it creaking louder than at any time in my long career in the military.
00:34:19.000 Now, President Trump did write on Sunday on his Truth Social platform, quote, We should spend less time worrying about Putin, more time worrying about migrants.
00:34:26.000 Gangs, drug lords, murderers, and people from mental institutions entering our country so we don't end up like Europe. 1.00
00:34:32.000 Now, sure.
00:34:34.000 Sounds great.
00:34:35.000 Also, the United States can, in fact, walk and chew gum.
00:34:38.000 Trump has done a magnificent job of shutting down the border thus far.
00:34:42.000 And actually, the United States does not have to pull out of NATO in order to actually do this.
00:34:45.000 This is one of my sort of bugaboos.
00:34:46.000 You hear this very often from actual real isolationists.
00:34:49.000 They'll say, well, you know, we simply can't afford.
00:34:51.000 We can't afford to support, say, NATO. We can't afford.
00:34:55.000 For example, to continue funding war in Ukraine.
00:34:58.000 We can't afford it.
00:35:00.000 Well, that's not true.
00:35:03.000 We can afford it.
00:35:04.000 It's just that we would actually have to look more seriously at, you know, the gigantic spending problem that is actually driving America's national debt, namely the vast entitlement and means-tested welfare programs that are destroying our fiscal standing in the world.
00:35:19.000 You make the case we shouldn't spend the money there, that's fine, but make that case overtly.
00:35:23.000 Don't fib about the case.
00:35:24.000 Don't make the case that you're doing this because you're a fiscal conservative while at the same time you're arguing that America should never touch Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, or any means-tested welfare program.
00:35:33.000 Just make the argument openly and then we can actually have an open discussion about this sort of stuff.
00:35:39.000 In the end, I think Zelensky will come to the table.
00:35:41.000 In the end, I think the Europeans will come to the table. 0.66
00:35:43.000 And I think this will resolve itself.
00:35:46.000 Again, I also think that President Trump is not interested in a less powerful America on the world stage.
00:35:50.000 He just really has promised to get to the end of this war, and he would like to do so.
00:35:56.000 Meanwhile, Pam Bondi has now suggested that they're still going to release an Epstein list.
00:36:02.000 I'm not aware that there is an Epstein list that hasn't been released at this point.
00:36:05.000 I'm a little bit confused as to what exactly the goal is here.
00:36:08.000 So Pam Bondi was on with Mark Levin over the weekend, and here she was suggesting that the sort of Epstein screw-up last week, in which the Justice Department released a binder filled with nothing.
00:36:18.000 That actually is going to be solved.
00:36:20.000 In the near future, here she was.
00:36:22.000 A source told me, New York, SDNY, they're sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein.
00:36:30.000 Thousands, thousands.
00:36:32.000 And of course, you've seen the very strong letter.
00:36:34.000 We will get everything.
00:36:36.000 We will have it in our possession.
00:36:38.000 We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information and confidential witnesses.
00:36:45.000 But the American people have a right to know.
00:36:47.000 And Donald Trump is the most transparent president in our nation's history.
00:36:52.000 So not only will America get the full Epstein files, they will get JFK. 0.54
00:36:56.000 They will get Martin Luther King.
00:36:58.000 OK, listen, I would love to see all of that.
00:37:00.000 Also, I don't think there's going to be a lot there.
00:37:03.000 And I think the screw-up last week, I know there was an attempt to sort of backfill that screw-up.
00:37:08.000 We'll find out, in very short order, whether or not there is anything more happening here.
00:37:13.000 Now, there are some accusations that the head of the FBI's New York field office was forced out of the bureau on Monday.
00:37:20.000 That is according to NBC New York.
00:37:23.000 Two of the sources who spoke with NBC News said Assistant Director in Charge James Dennehy was given a choice to either resign or be fired, and he was eligible for retirement and has officially retired.
00:37:34.000 He said he was forced out, quote, I've been told many times in my life, when you find yourself in a hole, sometimes it's best to quit digging.
00:37:39.000 Screw that.
00:37:40.000 I will never stop defending this joint.
00:37:41.000 He said he was not given a reason.
00:37:43.000 For the decision, immediately rumors started circulating that the real reason that Dennehy was fired had to do with some sort of cover-up with regard to Epstein.
00:37:52.000 I've seen no evidence to this point that suggests that that is, in fact, the case.
00:37:57.000 It may be a sort of convenient way of finding somebody to blame for the screw-up that the DOJ ushered out last week.
00:38:08.000 They, of course, said there was a low-level person at SDNY who's basically covering up Files, deleting files.
00:38:14.000 But why would he be allowed to retire with his pay if that were the case?
00:38:18.000 He should be legally prosecuted if, in fact, that was the case.
00:38:22.000 So we'll have to see how that emerges, whether this is sort of a misdirect or whether it actually is real, whether somebody was actually committing the crime of destroying relevant documents rather than publicizing all of that.
00:38:34.000 Meanwhile, speaking of legal matters, President Trump announced a little bit earlier this week that he wants to posthumously pardon baseball legend Pete Rose.
00:38:42.000 He wrote in a Saturday Truth Social post, quote, Major League Baseball didn't have the courage or decency to put the late great Pete Rose, also known as Charlie Hustle, into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
00:38:49.000 Now he's dead.
00:38:50.000 Will never experience the thrill of being selected, even though he was a far better player than most of those who made it and can only be named posthumously.
00:38:56.000 What a shame.
00:38:58.000 And he said that he will be signing a complete pardon of Pete Rose, who shouldn't have been gambling on baseball but only bet on his team winning.
00:39:03.000 He never bet against himself or the other team.
00:39:05.000 He had the most hits by far in baseball history and won more games than anyone in sports history, said Trump.
00:39:11.000 Now, it's not really clear what he'd be pardoned for, Pete Rose, because he was never convicted of betting as a sort of criminal matter.
00:39:19.000 He pled guilty to filing a faulty tax return in 1990 and did five months in prison.
00:39:25.000 So he's not sure what exactly the pardon would be.
00:39:27.000 Now, whether Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, I think, is sort of an open question at this point, given the fact that there are so many terrible people in the Hall of Fame.
00:39:34.000 However, there was an ironclad rule in Major League Baseball that you should not bet on baseball.
00:39:39.000 He did, in fact, bet on baseball, and so the ban seems largely justified to me, despite the fact that I'm actually kind of a Pete Rose fan.
00:39:47.000 If we are issuing pardons, however, there is one person that President Trump should pardon from federal charges forthwith.
00:39:53.000 It would be incredibly controversial, but I think that it's absolutely necessary.
00:39:57.000 That person is Derek Chauvin.
00:39:59.000 President Trump should, in fact, pardon Derek Chauvin.
00:40:01.000 He should.
00:40:02.000 He should pardon him in his federal charges.
00:40:04.000 If we are talking about reversing the evils of the last several years in American life, obviously COVID and its handling was a massive evil.
00:40:12.000 Destroyed the economy, set us on a path to fiscal insanity, destroyed children, led to massive health-related cover-ups, just horrifying all the way around.
00:40:22.000 And President Trump has taken on a lot of those things.
00:40:25.000 But when it came to BLM, the inciting event for the BLM riots that caused $2 billion in property damage in the United States, The evidence demonstrates that Derek Chauvin did not, in fact, commit murder of George Floyd.
00:40:46.000 George Floyd was high on...
00:40:48.000 He had a significant pre-existing heart condition.
00:40:51.000 George Floyd was saying he could not breathe before he was even out of the car.
00:40:54.000 He was in the car saying he could not breathe.
00:40:56.000 Derek Chauvin, for a large segment of even the tape that was shown...
00:41:00.000 Had his knee on George Floyd's shoulder or back, not on his neck, the autopsy of George Floyd showed that he had no damage to his trachea, that probably George Floyd died of excited delirium.
00:41:13.000 There were no accusations, even at trial, that Derek Chauvin had committed a hate crime against George Floyd or that he targeted George Floyd because of his race.
00:41:21.000 Nonetheless, on the basis of extraordinarily scanty evidence, and despite the fact there was massive pressure on the jury, That the mayor of Minneapolis paid a settlement to the George Floyd family immediately.
00:41:35.000 That the president of the United States suggested that Derek Chauvin was guilty right off the bat.
00:41:42.000 That the jurors were being openly threatened and admitted as much.
00:41:45.000 Despite all of that, Derek Chauvin was convicted on federal charges and pled guilty to federal charges.
00:41:51.000 Derek Chauvin should, in fact, be pardoned on that.
00:41:54.000 We will be covering that a lot more in coming weeks because I think it is worthwhile to remember that there is a man.
00:41:59.000 Who was rotting in prison because the media decided in the middle of 2020 that they were going to turn a tragic law enforcement stop that ended with the death of a man who had a significant problem with drugs and pre-existing health problems into the raison d'etre of the entire 2020 election.
00:42:19.000 And it led to vast chaos.
00:42:21.000 It led to, again, the destruction of racial comedy in the United States.
00:42:25.000 $2 billion in property damage and a guy rotting in prison.
00:42:28.000 Who the evidence demonstrates certainly was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in that case.
00:42:33.000 If we're going to talk about delivering pardons, President Trump, I think, should really seriously consider pardoning on federal charges.
00:42:39.000 He can't pardon on state charges.
00:42:40.000 Derek Chauvin, who is convicted of the murder of George Floyd.
00:42:44.000 As I say, we will be covering this pretty extensively in the coming weeks.
00:42:48.000 Right now, you should go to PardonDerek.com and sign our petition asking President Trump to grant justice to Officer Derek Chauvin.
00:42:54.000 That is pardon, P-A-R-D-O-N, Derek.com, P-A-R-D-O-N-D-E-R-E-K.com.
00:43:01.000 We're going to be digging into this topic on the show in the very, very near future.
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