The Ben Shapiro Show - Vance DESTROYS Walz

00:00:00.000 Well, last night, Republican vice presidential candidate J.D. Vance turned in a stellar debate performance.

00:00:05.000 Tim Walls fell flat on his face like the sitcom clown dad that he is.

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00:00:27.000 So, heading into last night's debate, the expectations for J.D. Vance, the vice presidential candidate for Donald Trump, were very, very high.

00:00:34.000 And he had to overcome that bar, and he did it with alacrity.

00:00:38.000 Just on a performance basis, J.D. Vance turned in one of the best Republican debate performances I've ever seen.

00:00:43.000 The only one of this century that even comes close to matching it was Mitt Romney's first debate performance against Barack Obama.

00:00:49.000 In terms of optics, in terms of what he was trying to do, in terms of his mission out there, he accomplished that.

00:00:55.000 So, what was J.D. Vance's mission?

00:00:57.000 His mission was to make it palatable for swing voters to look at the Trump-Vance ticket and not see chaos.

00:01:04.000 There's a reason that Kamala Harris and Tim Walls had immediately made J.D. Vance the centerpiece of their campaign for the White House when he was picked.

00:01:11.000 They tried to depict him as weird.

00:01:13.000 You remember this. Weird was the word of the day.

00:01:15.000 It was the buzzword that the Harris- Wall's campaign used immediately upon Trump selecting J.D. Vance for his vice presidential pick.

00:01:23.000 And it was always a strange word to use because JD of all four candidates is the most normal by far.

00:01:29.000 Married, has kids, went to a good school, made a good living, Senator from Ohio.

00:01:35.000 Like there's nothing really abnormal about JD Vance.

00:01:38.000 But the goal was to paint the entire overall ticket as weird and therefore out of bounds to vote for

00:01:43.000 because the basic idea for Democrats is to make it unpalatable to vote for the Republicans.

00:01:48.000 Not just you shouldn't, unpalatable, morally, aesthetically.

00:01:52.000 JD Vance had to go out there and he had to show that he was a normal human.

00:01:55.000 And not only did he show he was a normal human, J.D. Vance showed that he's a very high IQ human.

00:02:01.000 He wasn't just fighting Tim Walls last night on that debate stage.

00:02:04.000 He was also fighting the moderators, Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan. 0.98

00:02:07.000 Margaret Brennan, in particular, was absolute trash last night. 1.00

00:02:11.000 Just awful. Every question directed at J.D. Vance came from the perspective of a person who wants Trump Vance to lose. 0.99

00:02:18.000 Clearly. And not just that.

00:02:19.000 As we will see, there were some false fact checks.

00:02:22.000 J.D. Vance, because he's a very smart person and because he knows his issues, was able to turn those fact checks around to harm the moderator and to harm Tim Walz.

00:02:30.000 Walz, for his part, had to basically portray Vance and Trump as nuts.

00:02:35.000 And he was really unable to do that.

00:02:37.000 Every time he tried to launch such an attack, Vance would disarm him.

00:02:41.000 Vance would disarm him not only because Vance has two standard IQ deviations on him, but also because J.D. Vance was actually quite kind last night.

00:02:49.000 In fact, watching that debate was somewhat dull, actually.

00:02:53.000 It started off, there were no rock-em-sock-em robots, no real kind of big haymaker moments, not the kind of stuff you're used to seeing from President Trump, where you never know what you're going to get.

00:03:01.000 It was kind of bad TV, to be honest with you.

00:03:04.000 And the reason it was bad TV is because J.D. Vance made it Absolutely solid.

00:03:10.000 It was just solid. You watched him, and you knew, you felt comfortable that he was going to give a good, solid answer on every question he was asked, and that every attack would be turned away with a nuanced point of view.

00:03:21.000 Again, J.D., I think, was 10 out of 10 last night.

00:03:23.000 Walls, for his part, had some big boo-boos.

00:03:26.000 Now, is that really going to hurt Tim Walls in any serious way?

00:03:28.000 Not really. Everybody already understands that the man's goofball. 0.97

00:03:32.000 However, did it mean that Walls was able to accomplish his purpose last night, which was to paint Trump and Vance as totally unpalatable?

00:03:38.000 He was unable to do that.

00:03:39.000 Vance was able to slip that punch, for sure.

00:03:43.000 Now again, back to the moderators.

00:03:44.000 The moderators did their best to try to make J.D. Vance the subject of the attacks, or Donald Trump the subject of the attacks.

00:03:49.000 J.D. Vance did something that I think is important for all Republicans to take note of.

00:03:53.000 Yes, he was facing an entrenched opposition.

00:03:55.000 Yes, he was facing an overwhelming barrage of questions from people who hate him and his opponent.

00:04:02.000 And you know what he did? He succeeded anyway.

00:04:04.000 And this is what we should expect of our Republican candidates.

00:04:07.000 Republicans in the base, I know that we've gotten used to the idea of victimhood because there are so many people out there who hate conservatives and who are willing to lie and because the media are constantly lying about the issues and they're constantly attacking whoever the Republican is.

00:04:21.000 My entire lifetime, Bush, McCain, Romney, Trump.

00:04:25.000 Because of that, we've gotten into kind of this mindset of the obstacles are insuperable.

00:04:30.000 We can never overcome them. What J.D. Vance showed is that when you have a smart person on the stage, you absolutely can overcome them.

00:04:36.000 And in fact, you can be victorious over them.

00:04:39.000 It actually helps you in some ways when people are that obviously anti-you because you can jujitsu their energy against them.

00:04:47.000 That's what J.D. Vance did last night.

00:04:49.000 So I want to get to the actual debate.

00:04:50.000 Now again, I'm just talking here about aesthetics, debate performance, what the candidates were trying to do.

00:04:55.000 I will say one area where I would have hoped that J.D. Vance did a little bit more was in painting Harris walls not just as not competent, but painting them as as radical as they are.

00:05:06.000 I think the impression you came away from this debate with was that J.D. Vance is really smart and really good at this, and that one day he might make a great president.

00:05:14.000 I think that's the overall aesthetic sense that you got from J.D. Vance.

00:05:18.000 What you didn't get was a feeling that it is totally unpalatable to vote for Harris-Walls, which I think was the other mission for J.D. So one mission was defensive, and that was prevent Democrats from painting Trump- Vance, as so out of the box, so chaotic, so crazy, you could never vote for them.

00:05:34.000 He was able to turn away that attack.

00:05:37.000 The thing he didn't do was paint Walls-Harris as so insanely radical that you should never vote for them.

00:05:43.000 In fact, there was a bizarre amount of agreement last night during the debate.

00:05:47.000 Walls would say something and Vance would say, well, I sort of agree with that.

00:05:49.000 And then Vance would say something and Walls would say, well, I sort of agree with that.

00:05:53.000 Now, I think conventional wisdom suggests that that was good for Vance because, you know, it made him appear kind, it made him appear conciliatory, and I think that's true.

00:06:02.000 But there's one sense in which it was not good for Trump Vance, and that sense is that if Tim Walz is able to say that he agrees with some of the things that J.D. Vance is saying, it makes their ticket overall appear much more moderate than they actually are.

00:06:17.000 And this is sort of a problem. And it speaks to a deeper Republican problem when it comes to policy.

00:06:22.000 They'll become evident over the course of the debate that we're about to go through.

00:06:26.000 One of the things that's so fascinating about the Trump phenomenon is that if you look just in terms of policy, it seems fairly typically Republican.

00:06:33.000 Trump term one was very similar, actually, in many ways, to George W. Bush policy.

00:06:38.000 You got a tax cut. Trump was harder on immigration than George W. Bush was.

00:06:42.000 That was probably the big distinction. You got some good federal judges.

00:06:46.000 Which ends with the overturning of Roe v.

00:06:48.000 Wade, obviously. And you got a very solid foreign policy.

00:06:52.000 A better foreign policy than George W. Bush's.

00:06:54.000 But basically what you got was hawkish foreign policy.

00:06:56.000 You got big spending.

00:06:58.000 And you got some good judiciary appointments.

00:07:00.000 Those are the things that you got from Donald Trump.

00:07:03.000 Fairly typical Republican policy.

00:07:05.000 In fact, almost indistinguishable on the domestic front from sort of the compassionate conservatism of the early 2000s from George W. Bush.

00:07:13.000 Last night, the sort of republicanism that was being pushed from J.D. Vance, if you knew nothing about his actual positions, if you knew nothing about what J.D. believes about abortion, he's pro-life.

00:07:21.000 If you knew nothing about any of these things, it would be almost impossible to tell that J.D. Vance was extremely pro-life on that stage.

00:07:29.000 It would be almost impossible to tell whether or not J.D. Vance, for example, wants to cut the scope of government or whether he wants to expand it.

00:07:36.000 In fact, if you watched the debate last night, you would think J.D. actually wants to radically increase the size and scope of government in our lives.

00:07:43.000 And despite all of the talk about the new isolationist wing of the Republican Party, J.D. Vance was as hawkish on foreign policy.

00:07:49.000 He was using Reagan's slogans like peace through strength, which was frankly music to my ears because I think that Reagan was correct on foreign policy.

00:07:55.000 And the best foreign policy is, in fact, peace through strength.

00:07:59.000 All of which is to say, for all the talk about the wild vacillations inside the Republican Party about policy, those vacillations are extremely overplayed.

00:08:09.000 The Republican Party, for as long as I've been alive, has been a low-tax, high-spending, harsh on foreign policy, like hawkish on foreign policy, and socially conservative party.

00:08:20.000 For as long as I've been alive.

00:08:21.000 And then, when the pedal hits the metal on social policy, they tend to moderate.

00:08:25.000 And that's kind of what it sounded like last night.

00:08:26.000 I'll get to more of that in a moment.

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00:09:49.000 Okay, so let's jump into the actual clips from the debate.

00:09:53.000 So the very first question was about the situation in the Middle East.

00:09:56.000 And again, part of the issue here for the Democrats is Walls was really bad.

00:10:01.000 He was really bad. His demeanor on camera is super strange.

00:10:04.000 It is, in fact, weird.

00:10:06.000 The word that Walls casts at others is, in fact, just projection. 0.79

00:10:08.000 He is a weirdo. And so, on camera, he looks very much like Don Rickles if Don Rickles had just sniffed some glue.

00:10:15.000 And so, every time they cut to him, he's kind of stumbling and bumbling over himself.

00:10:20.000 Looking slightly confused, the split screens were somewhat manic.

00:10:24.000 Him writing manically on a piece of paper or him looking bewilderedly around as though there's a bug flying around in the room.

00:10:32.000 There's a great split screen at one point where Walls was talking and J.D. Vance gave the full-on Jim Halpert to the camera, like from the office.

00:10:39.000 He kind of went... In any case, the first question was about the situation in the Middle East.

00:10:44.000 So for those who didn't see our live show yesterday, we did a live show in the afternoon, because Iran fired 181 ballistic missiles at Israel.

00:10:52.000 It didn't end up killing anybody except for one Gazan, Palestinian actually, who was in the West Bank, and a missile that had been shot down by Israel's David Sling system, the wreckage of that fell down in Taliban.

00:11:04.000 But, actually more Iranians were killed.

00:11:06.000 In the attack than Israelis, because five Iranians apparently died on the ground in Iran when one of the missiles they were shooting blew up.

00:11:12.000 In any case, it's an act of war.

00:11:14.000 It was 181 cruise missiles fired at Israel.

00:11:16.000 We'll get to all the details on that a little bit later.

00:11:18.000 And it's just another indicator of the kind of chaos that's been caused by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in the Middle East.

00:11:24.000 Biden and Harris have created enormous chaos in the Middle East, as we will find out from J.D. Vance.

00:11:28.000 Their embrace of Iran, their attempt to distance themselves from the Saudis and from the Israelis has led to the most cataclysmic conflict in the Middle East in our lifetime. 0.92

00:11:39.000 Truly. In any case, Tim Walz tried to explain why, somehow, Kamala Harris ought to be given credit for what was going on in the Middle East, and it didn't go amazing.

00:11:51.000 Hamas terrorists, over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.

00:11:59.000 Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

00:12:03.000 Getting its hostages back, fundamental.

00:12:06.000 and ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

00:12:11.000 But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity 1.00

00:12:17.000 for the United States to have the steady leadership there.

00:12:19.000 You saw it experienced today, where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition,

00:12:24.000 able to stop the incoming attack.

00:12:27.000 But what's fundamental here is that steady leadership is gonna matter.

00:12:31.000 It's clear, and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago, a nearly 80 year old Donald Trump

00:12:37.000 talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.

00:12:40.000 Okay, so you can see he's stumbling all over himself.

00:12:43.000 He mixes up Iran and Israel, I think, twice in the course of that one clip.

00:12:47.000 He looks really awkward. And then they cut to J.D. Vance, and J.D. is smooth, and he's polished, and he's professional, and he knows the issue and the substance.

00:12:54.000 He's totally right. As much as Governor Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered stability in the world, and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.

00:13:05.000 People were afraid of stepping out of line.

00:13:08.000 Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris administration.

00:13:16.000 What do they use that money for?

00:13:17.000 They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies, and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.

00:13:24.000 Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

00:13:30.000 They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States' global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

00:13:37.000 Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.

00:13:41.000 Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe.

00:13:46.000 That is a great answer.

00:13:47.000 And again, he's so smooth.

00:13:48.000 Right.

00:13:49.000 It's music to the ears for those of us who at one point used to watch debates and actually

00:13:54.000 see people speak in full sentences and without yelling and without bluster and without insults

00:14:00.000 and without sort of the weird jargon that Kamala Harris dumps on the debate stage. 1.00

00:14:04.000 This was just it was so soothing.

00:14:06.000 It was so calming.

00:14:07.000 It's like waking up in the morning and listening to Bach or something.

00:14:11.000 Really, really enjoyable, frankly.

00:14:13.000 And Vance continued along these lines.

00:14:15.000 At one point, Walls suggested, you know, it's a really dangerous world out there, and Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon as they've ever been.

00:14:21.000 It's because Trump pulled out of the nuclear weapons deal that we had with Iran, the so-called JCPOA, which is a terrible deal that Obama signed with Iran in order to normalize relations with Iran and open up their economy.

00:14:32.000 And J.D. Vance is like, wait, hold up.

00:14:33.000 You're saying that Iran is as close to a nuke as they've ever been.

00:14:37.000 Who's the president? Who's the vice president?

00:14:39.000 I missed it. You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.

00:14:47.000 And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.

00:14:48.000 Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?

00:14:51.000 And the answer is your running mate, not mine.

00:14:54.000 Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.

00:14:58.000 We talk about the sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October the 7th,

00:15:05.000 which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up, but when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

00:15:11.000 It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.

00:15:14.000 So, Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and peace through strength

00:15:21.000 is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.

00:15:24.000 When was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major

00:15:29.000 conflict breakout?

00:15:31.000 The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.

00:15:33.000 Okay, that is a great answer.

00:15:35.000 And again, he's so smooth. He's articulate, high IQ. We can do this, America.

00:15:41.000 Seriously, we can have candidates for like this.

00:15:43.000 It's totally fine.

00:15:44.000 We can. It'll be fine if we do.

00:15:46.000 It'll be better if we do, in many ways.

00:15:49.000 And he did a better job defending Donald Trump than Donald Trump has done this entire year on the campaign trail.

00:15:54.000 By a long shot.

00:15:56.000 Because Trump, again, that's not the way Trump expresses himself.

00:15:58.000 We all know this. Trump speaks in short sentences.

00:16:01.000 Trump has the big idea.

00:16:03.000 But this is sort of the point about how his administration works.

00:16:06.000 Trump, in administration one, he went out there and he would tweet something.

00:16:10.000 Everybody would be like, oh my god, I can't believe he tweeted that.

00:16:11.000 And then there would be people who were competent, like, say, J.D. Vance, actually implementing the thing that he wanted to do and putting all the flesh on the bones of the instincts that Trump had.

00:16:21.000 And that's why it's so wonderful to hear JD Vance do that.

00:16:23.000 Truly. Like, enjoyable.

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00:17:31.000 Okay, so the debate continues.

00:17:33.000 They move on to the issue of immigration.

00:17:35.000 So the first issue was the Middle East where Kamala Harris is a disaster area.

00:17:39.000 The second area is immigration where Kamala Harris is a disaster area.

00:17:42.000 And again, it's so wonderful to hear the case just laid out cogently, calmly by Senator Vance right here.

00:17:51.000 Before we talk about deportations, we have to stop the bleeding.

00:17:54.000 We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. 0.98

00:18:03.000 94 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

00:18:12.000 That has opened the floodgates.

00:18:15.000 And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.

00:18:17.000 I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.

00:18:21.000 I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels.

00:18:31.000 So you've got to stop the bleeding.

00:18:33.000 The final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

00:18:35.000 Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.

00:18:43.000 Some of them have been trafficking.

00:18:45.000 Some of them hopefully are at homes with their families.

00:18:48.000 Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.

00:18:51.000 The real family separation policy in this country is unfortunately Kamala Harris's wide open southern border. 1.00

00:18:57.000 And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.

00:19:03.000 Real leadership would be saying, you know what?

00:19:04.000 I screwed up. I mean, he's so talented, honestly.

00:19:09.000 That's such a talented response.

00:19:11.000 When he weaves in there, subtly, the experiences of his mother, who had an addiction to alcohol and drugs, when he talks directly to the American people, when he swivels the question, the original question that he was asked, by the way, right there, was about Donald Trump's mass deportation policy, and Tim Walz had said something about him wanting to separate families.

00:19:31.000 How he swivels that into a cogent and coherent answer is just wonderful.

00:19:35.000 It really is.

00:19:36.000 Now, again, for his part, Walls was basically falling apart on the stage.

00:19:41.000 And when it came to illegal immigration, he had to somehow try to make the case that Kamala Harris had been harsh with illegal immigration.

00:19:46.000 And then he had to also make the case that Kamala Harris was being compassionate with regard to illegal immigration.

00:19:52.000 And so he tried to bring up apparently the only line of the New Testament that Democrats ever cite, the line from Matthew about the least of these.

00:19:58.000 So here we go. I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 2540 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.

00:20:07.000 I think that's true of most Americans.

00:20:09.000 They simply want order to it.

00:20:12.000 This bill does it.

00:20:13.000 It's funded. It's supported by the people who do it.

00:20:16.000 And it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

00:20:20.000 Notice these sort of mannerisms here.

00:20:22.000 So Vance is speaking, and he's speaking to the American people as you would in a conversation.

00:20:27.000 And Walls is pleading.

00:20:29.000 Everything he says is sort of a weird plea.

00:20:31.000 It's the thing that he does.

00:20:32.000 Well, in just one second, I want to get to what was probably the big takeaway from the debate, and this was the moment where the moderators really made their bias absolutely clear.

00:20:41.000 The moderators in this debate were absolutely awful, truly bad.

00:20:45.000 Margaret Brennan was by far the worst of the two. 1.00

00:20:48.000 It was Norah O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan.

00:20:49.000 Norah O'Donnell was not good. Margaret Brennan was a full-scale, four-alarm fire disaster area. 0.98

00:20:54.000 Just truly, truly bad.

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00:22:15.000 Okay, so there are only a few kind of takeaway moments from the night.

00:22:19.000 And J.D. overall just performed great.

00:22:22.000 But it turns out that in the modern media age, the takeaways are the things you remember.

00:22:26.000 So from the first debate with Joe Biden, the only thing that you remember was Joe Biden staring into the maw of hell.

00:22:31.000 That's all you remember is just this.

00:22:33.000 That's all you remember from the whole debate.

00:22:35.000 Nothing else. Maybe Donald Trump suggesting that he...

00:22:38.000 I don't know what he's saying and he doesn't know what he's saying either.

00:22:40.000 From the debate with Trump and Kamala, the only thing that anyone remembers for that whole debate was they're eating the cats and they're eating the dogs.

00:22:46.000 Literally the only thing anyone remembers.

00:22:48.000 The question about the VP debate is what exactly is the thing that people are going to remember coming out?

00:22:54.000 There are probably two moments that have the possibility of being sort of the takeaway.

00:22:58.000 One of them was when J.D. Vance went up against Margaret Brennan.

00:23:01.000 So the... The moderators had said at the very top they were not going to do the thing that happened during the Kamala-Trump debate in which the moderators fact-checked Trump.

00:23:13.000 Like every single time he said something, they would jump in and do a fact-check.

00:23:15.000 It was absurd. They said they weren't going to do that.

00:23:17.000 Then they proceeded to do that with J.D. Vance.

00:23:18.000 The difference is that J.D. knows the facts.

00:23:21.000 So when they started to quote-unquote fact-check him, he was able to go right back at them and insist on fact-checking them back, at which point they cut his mic.

00:23:28.000 It looked really bad for CBS News.

00:23:30.000 Truly ugly for CBS News.

00:23:32.000 Here was that exchange. Thank you, Governor.

00:23:35.000 And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.

00:23:46.000 Senator, we have so much to get to.

00:23:48.000 I think it's important. We're going to turn out of the economy.

00:23:51.000 Thank you. Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check.

00:23:54.000 And since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

00:23:58.000 So there's an application called the CBP One App, where you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

00:24:13.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card and waiting for 10 years.

00:24:17.000 Thank you, Senator. Deportation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our own leadership.

00:24:21.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

00:24:23.000 We have so much to get to, Senator.

00:24:27.000 Okay, and you can hear Margaret Brennan jump in. 0.98

00:24:29.000 We have so much to get to.

00:24:30.000 Oh my gosh, so much to get to.

00:24:32.000 Let him finish his sentence. And then, when Vance was trying to finish his idea, and then Walls jumped in, then they cut the mic.

00:24:38.000 Just ridiculous. But, notice what a pro-JD Vance is there.

00:24:41.000 I mean, honestly, I'm gushing in my praise of him because he was that good last night.

00:24:46.000 That is how you handle it.

00:24:48.000 When a moderator falsely fact checks you, he says, listen, you set the rules.

00:24:51.000 I didn't set the rules. You're now violating the rules.

00:24:53.000 So that means that I get to respond to what you are doing right now and explain what exactly you're saying.

00:24:58.000 By the way, he's correct.

00:25:00.000 His actual fact check of her is correct.

00:25:03.000 Now what she's saying is technically true.

00:25:05.000 The Haitian migrants who are in Springfield, Ohio, are there on temporary protected status.

00:25:10.000 That doesn't mean that they're full on in the immigration system or that they're going to be granted full asylum or anything like that.

00:25:16.000 It means, as J.D. Van said, that they're basically just facilitated into the country.

00:25:21.000 When we talk about millions of illegal immigrants coming into the country, very often those illegal immigrants are coming to the border and they are being facilitated into the country by our own government under things like temporary protected status.

00:25:33.000 People claim asylum and then magically those people are deemed to have temporary protected status.

00:25:37.000 That's J.D. Vance's entire point.

00:25:40.000 So again, pro-performance.

00:25:42.000 And this demonstrates, once again, yes, the media are awful.

00:25:45.000 Yes, the legacy media are biased.

00:25:46.000 Yes, they lie. Yes, they fact-check only Republicans.

00:25:48.000 And half the time, those fact-checks are wrong.

00:25:51.000 However, that is not, in fact, an obstacle that Republicans cannot overcome.

00:25:55.000 And J.D. Vance just showed how to do it.

00:25:58.000 Okay, then they moved on to the economy.

00:26:00.000 And one of the things that, frankly, was a bit frustrating for me is as a free market person who believes that the government's intervention in the economy is generally a bad thing and that the growth of the American economy is reliant on entrepreneurialism and innovation and explosive dynamism, you know, because free market economics and because private property.

00:26:20.000 It was bewildering and annoying to me to hear both parties are now the parties of big government.

00:26:26.000 I'm not sure the word free market, those words were uttered on the stage last night.

00:26:31.000 I'm not sure that anybody made the case for a smaller government on the stage last night.

00:26:36.000 I think it is fair to say the era of small government in the United States is over.

00:26:41.000 And again, I understand why politically J.D. Vance is saying that.

00:26:44.000 I think J.D. Vance also has some ideological predilections toward big government involvement in many areas of the American economy, with which I disagree.

00:26:52.000 Now, that doesn't mean that he's not a very articulate defender of his position.

00:26:55.000 I just wish one of the parties liked the free market at this point.

00:26:57.000 That would be really nice. I would love it if the Republican Party was a party that said, actually, the biggest obstacle to growth in the United States is government spending.

00:27:05.000 Not that they're spending in the wrong place, that they shouldn't be spending it at all.

00:27:09.000 The biggest obstacle to growth in the United States is the regulations that hamper business.

00:27:13.000 The biggest obstacle to growth in the United States is the government picking winners and losers.

00:27:18.000 You want Americans to have a better way of life?

00:27:20.000 What you need is to unchain them from the shackles of government.

00:27:24.000 That's the thing I wish Republicans would say, but that's not the position that was taken on the stage last night.

00:27:30.000 So it turned into a bit of back and forth about who gets to spend how much and how much is the right amount to spend, but we all have to spend more.

00:27:38.000 The critique that J.D. Vance made of Tim Walls on this point was, you make all these big promises, but you haven't done any of them.

00:27:44.000 And that's a fine critique. It's very true.

00:27:45.000 Obviously, something I've said about Kamala Harris as well.

00:27:47.000 She has a plan.

00:27:49.000 Okay, fine. So why didn't you do it?

00:27:50.000 If your magical plans were going to heal the economy, why didn't you do it?

00:27:53.000 And that's J.D. Vance's point.

00:27:55.000 But it would have been really nice to hear a defense of free markets, Of innovation?

00:28:00.000 Of private property? On the stage last night.

00:28:02.000 And neither party seems to be willing to do that these days.

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00:29:13.000 Okay, so, for example, when we talk about Big government.

00:29:16.000 And big government spending. Tim Wall says, we're going to propose to build 3 million new houses.

00:29:21.000 This is typical Dem speak.

00:29:23.000 Typical Dem speak is, got a problem?

00:29:24.000 We're going to confiscate money from the future, and we're just going to throw it at things.

00:29:27.000 Just throw money at things, man.

00:29:29.000 It's like soup out of Van Gogh painting.

00:29:30.000 Just take that money and just chuck it at things.

00:29:32.000 Firehose money. That's Tim Wall's basic proposal when it comes to bringing down the price of housing, which is weird because when you subsidize the buying of housing, but you don't remove the regulations on the building of housing, that creates increased demand with the same supply, which definitionally increases price.

00:29:50.000 There's three million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.

00:29:56.000 A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.

00:30:00.000 It's foundational to where you're at.

00:30:01.000 And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that.

00:30:08.000 Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it costs $5 to make insulin.

00:30:12.000 They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.

00:30:15.000 As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota.

00:30:19.000 12% more houses in Minneapolis.

00:30:20.000 Prices went down on rent 4%.

00:30:22.000 It's working. And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class. 1.00

00:30:26.000 Again, this is all typical Dem speak.

00:30:29.000 So Vance comes back.

00:30:30.000 And again, he does the pro thing if you're a big government guy.

00:30:33.000 Now, I could attack each one of those policies for being untrue.

00:30:36.000 When he says we're going to do tax cuts for the middle class, What he really means is we're going to subsidize certain people at the expense of other people.

00:30:43.000 And he says that Donald Trump's tax cuts affected largely the rich.

00:30:46.000 That is not true. In fact, they're one of the most regressive tax cuts in American history in the sense that they, progressive, in the sense that they actually affected people in the middle class more on average than people at the top in terms of percentage cuts, for example.

00:30:58.000 But the tack that Vance chose, again, is a smart debate tack and happens to be true, is, okay, sounds great.

00:31:04.000 Why didn't you do any of it? You're going to hear a lot from Tim Walsh this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.

00:31:10.000 A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.

00:31:16.000 Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Because she's been the vice president for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.

00:31:32.000 Drive the cost of housing higher by about 60%.

00:31:36.000 Open the American southern border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.

00:31:41.000 If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then she ought to do them now. 1.00

00:31:48.000 Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and a half years ago. 0.54

00:31:52.000 And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.

00:31:58.000 Okay, so again, I agree that everything that he says there is true.

00:32:01.000 Also, it'd be great to hear on principle why Kamala Harris's economic plans are wrong. 1.00

00:32:05.000 That'd be great. Like, first principles explanation.

00:32:08.000 That's why, again, I think J.D. Vance did some really heavy lifting on behalf of the Trump campaign.

00:32:11.000 I think he really helped himself in terms of his future possible presidential aspirations.

00:32:17.000 One of my questions, when we get to the abortion issue, we'll see more of this, is whether he laid any sort of ideological groundwork for the traditional conservative position.

00:32:25.000 I think that the answer there is less than I wish in some ways.

00:32:29.000 But again, a lot of good hits for Vance.

00:32:31.000 So, for example, clip 13. At a certain point, Walls sort of started spewing nonsense about what a wonderful job Kamala Harris had done, and JD drops the hammer on him.

00:32:43.000 If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

00:32:48.000 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

00:32:53.000 No, that's a gross generalization.

00:32:55.000 So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here.

00:32:59.000 Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

00:33:00.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

00:33:05.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.

00:33:10.000 And then you've simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. 0.99

00:33:19.000 I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt So that she could put food on the table in our household. 1.00

00:33:26.000 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

00:33:30.000 We can do so much better.

00:33:32.000 To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.

00:33:37.000 Walls, I know what he's doing on that split screen right there.

00:33:40.000 Walls looks like, kind of weirdly like a ferret who has popped his head up out of the ground.

00:33:47.000 He's just kind of swiveling his head around wildly.

00:33:50.000 It was not a good night for Tim Walz.

00:33:51.000 Even Democrats were acknowledging last night it was not a good night for Tim Walz.

00:33:54.000 The worst moment of the night for Tim Walz was when he was asked about the fact that he had suggested that he was in Hong Kong during the Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:34:03.000 This went about as poorly for Tim Walz as possible for things to go in a presidential debate.

00:34:09.000 My commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people, to make sure that I get this right.

00:34:15.000 I will say more than anything.

00:34:17.000 Many times I will talk a lot.

00:34:20.000 I will get caught up in the rhetoric.

00:34:22.000 But being there, the impact it made, the difference it made in my life, I learned a lot about China.

00:34:27.000 I hear the critiques of this.

00:34:29.000 I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.

00:34:32.000 I guarantee you he wouldn't be...

00:34:35.000 Praising Xi Jinping about COVID. And I guarantee you he wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing.

00:34:41.000 So this is about trying to understand the world.

00:34:44.000 It's about trying to do the best you can for your community.

00:34:47.000 And then it's putting yourself out there and letting your folks understand what it is.

00:34:50.000 My commitment, whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values that people care about.

00:35:00.000 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

00:35:06.000 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

00:35:10.000 So I will just, that's what I've said.

00:35:14.000 So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests went in.

00:35:20.000 Um, um, oh boy.

00:35:23.000 At that point, you might have to stop talking.

00:35:26.000 I love when people feel the necessity to talk.

00:35:28.000 At this point, by the way, during the debate, he did call himself a knucklehead, which was a move.

00:35:32.000 You don't see it very often.

00:35:34.000 It's a bold move, Godden. We'll see how it works out for him in just one second.

00:35:37.000 I'll get to the issue of abortion.

00:35:40.000 Where I understand what J.D. Vance was doing.

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00:37:29.000 So for the first hour of the debate, J.D. Vance just dominated Tim Walz thoroughly, just in terms of performance, in terms of issues.

00:37:34.000 And then the debate turned to a couple of issues that were less easy for Republicans.

00:37:38.000 So the issue of abortion.

00:37:39.000 When it comes to abortion, the fact is the American people are somewhere in the middle.

00:37:42.000 They're not totally pro-life.

00:37:44.000 They're certainly not totally pro-choice.

00:37:45.000 They tend to be somewhere in the middle. And there are a bunch of tacks that Republicans can take with regard to this issue.

00:37:51.000 When it comes to Trump-Vance, the tack that they've taken is, we're not doing federal legislation on this issue.

00:37:57.000 We're not looking at that.

00:37:58.000 That's not something we're interested in.

00:37:59.000 The Supreme Court itself has suggested that federal legislation is inapposite, that this probably should be delegated down to the states, and there really isn't much the federal government can do.

00:38:08.000 J.D. Vance was trying to soften his appeal to women, clearly.

00:38:11.000 He was trying to say to them, listen, I feel you, I empathize with you, I get it.

00:38:16.000 The problem is that the argument that he made last night was really not an argument so much as an emotional appeal.

00:38:21.000 And while I admire the skill with which it was done, I do not appreciate the political and value line that undergirds it.

00:38:30.000 Which basically suggests that the big problem is that we just haven't convinced enough people in the United States that a woman should choose life rather than choosing abortion.

00:38:38.000 That may be true. That is also not the issue as to legislation.

00:38:42.000 I agree. Everybody needs to do a better job of trying to convince women thinking about abortion not to have an abortion.

00:38:47.000 This is why, for example, one of our advertisers is pre-born.

00:38:51.000 Their literal job is to go to pregnant moms and show them ultrasounds to try to convince them on a one-to-one level not to have an abortion. 0.99

00:38:58.000 However, when you are talking about the pro-life position, the pro-life position is not merely that this is a matter of choice and that we should try to convince individual women not to have abortions.

00:39:07.000 That last part, of course, is true.

00:39:09.000 The real question is whether life deserves protection.

00:39:12.000 Now what J.D. Vance could say, while still threading the needle, is, listen, I am pro-life.

00:39:16.000 I believe that every life deserves legal protection.

00:39:19.000 With that said, we have a federalist system in this country.

00:39:22.000 The Supreme Court has made clear the federal government does not have a place in the regulation of abortion overall.

00:39:28.000 And what that means is that on a state-by-state level, the people are going to speak.

00:39:33.000 I may vote one way, I might be overruled.

00:39:35.000 That's how our system works.

00:39:37.000 So when it comes to the issue of abortion, Democrats have tried to play this as the be-all, end-all at the federal level.

00:39:43.000 And it's a strange thing to do, and it's disingenuous and dishonest.

00:39:47.000 And he could then swivel it on his opponent, and he could say, listen...

00:39:51.000 The claim is that I, as a pro-lifer, am extreme in some way because I want every life protected.

00:39:57.000 My question to my opponent, Tim Walls, is would you veto a bill protecting life at eight months in the womb?

00:40:05.000 Would you veto it? Right?

00:40:07.000 It's a simple question. And Tim Walls is not going to have an answer for that.

00:40:11.000 The answer, of course, is he would veto it.

00:40:13.000 In any case, here was JD's attempt to answer the abortion question.

00:40:17.000 I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

00:40:25.000 And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

00:40:36.000 And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.

00:40:39.000 And I know she's watching tonight, and I love you.

00:40:42.000 And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.

00:40:51.000 And I think that what I take from that, as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue where they frankly just don't trust us.

00:41:09.000 Okay, so, if you took that clip out of context, you could make the argument that J.D. Vance is pro-choice.

00:41:14.000 I know he isn't, obviously, and people who watch politics know that he isn't, but if you took that clip out of context, where you think that story is going is, my friend said that she needed to have an abortion because it would have ruined her life to have the baby, and what I said to her is that every life has meaning, And that, I'm sorry she felt that way, but every life deserves a chance, right?

00:41:34.000 You think that's where the story's going as a pro-lifer, and that's not where the story goes.

00:41:37.000 And the problem is that when Republicans refuse to make the argument or engage in the argument, that does create space to pretend that Democrats are somehow moderate on the issue.

00:41:44.000 Now, to his credit, Vance did call out Walls with regard to the law in the state of Minnesota.

00:41:50.000 The law in the state of Minnesota, Walls actually vetoed a bill that would have protected the health rights of children who were born during botched abortions.

00:42:00.000 And apparently up to eight kids in the state of Minnesota have basically been born during botched abortions and then were effectively denied health care and their rights because of Tim Walz's bill.

00:42:12.000 Vance brought that up and Walz kind of fibbed about it.

00:42:15.000 These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians who know best when they need to do this. 0.99

00:42:22.000 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at all.

00:42:26.000 But what was I wrong about, Governor? Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

00:42:28.000 That is not the way the law is written.

00:42:30.000 Look, I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, that's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

00:42:37.000 But the point on this is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.

00:42:43.000 I use this line on this, just mind your own business.

00:42:46.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

00:42:47.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

00:42:49.000 It's not the case. And again, Vance is correct on this.

00:42:52.000 Very calm, very collected.

00:42:54.000 Good point for Vance. I would love to hear the principled argument on why Walls actually says this.

00:42:59.000 He kept granting Walls the benefit of the doubt.

00:43:01.000 I believe that you don't want babies to die in abortion.

00:43:03.000 I believe that you don't want...

00:43:04.000 I understand.

00:43:05.000 He's trying to be kind. He's trying to be effective on the stage.

00:43:08.000 I get all of that. Also, Tim Walls is radically pro-abortion.

00:43:11.000 I mean, that's just the reality of the situation.

00:43:15.000 Okay. Meanwhile, again, one of my big sort of critiques overall of the moment in which we stand is that there is no one left who talks about small government.

00:43:23.000 Like, at all. So, one of the questions was about the childcare crisis.

00:43:28.000 Crisis. Okay. I tend to reserve the term crisis for things like, I don't know, war.

00:43:34.000 Perhaps a hurricane. I don't tend to think that the lack of affordable childcare amounts to a crisis.

00:43:40.000 It amounts to a problem, obviously.

00:43:42.000 I think that there are people who need childcare who can't afford it, and that's a problem.

00:43:45.000 It's usually handled and should be handled by family, by locality, at best, by state authorities.

00:43:53.000 This idea that it's up to the federal government to intervene with billions of dollars because there needs to be some place for two-year-olds to go while mom is working.

00:44:01.000 Again, I don't see why that is a federal issue or where the federal government is empowered by the Constitution of the United States to get involved in that issue.

00:44:08.000 But the Republican Party of the sort of Trump movement, and again, this actually precedes Donald Trump.

00:44:14.000 I don't want to blame Trump for that.

00:44:15.000 George W. Bush was doing this stuff with compassionate conservatism in the year 2000.

00:44:19.000 So this has been around for a long time.

00:44:20.000 There has not been a small government party in the United States for pretty much my entire lifetime.

00:44:26.000 Ronald Reagan left office in 1989.

00:44:29.000 So here was J.D. Vance talking about the necessity for federal involvement in child care, which, again, not into it.

00:44:37.000 A number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue.

00:44:41.000 And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.

00:44:45.000 I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids, but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.

00:44:55.000 And I'm so proud of her.

00:44:57.000 But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extremely It's extraordinarily difficult.

00:45:03.000 And it's not just difficult from a policy perspective.

00:45:06.000 She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a bigger company. 0.94

00:45:10.000 But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women I think makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want.

00:45:18.000 A lot of young women would like to go back to work immediately. 1.00

00:45:21.000 Some would like to spend a little time home with the kids.

00:45:23.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.

00:45:25.000 We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.

00:45:30.000 Okay, I mean, all of that may be true on a social level, but at no point in this debate did anybody just say, hey, free markets.

00:45:35.000 Both of them agreed on tariffs.

00:45:37.000 Both of them agreed on major government involvement in manufacturing subsidies.

00:45:41.000 Both of them agreed on gigantic government involvement in everything from healthcare to childcare.

00:45:47.000 A party that actually represents, you know, like a small federal government, because by the way, you want a corrupt federal government, make it big.

00:45:54.000 You want an effective federal government, make it small.

00:45:57.000 But that argument seems to have passed by the wayside.

00:46:00.000 Now, the one area in which Tim Walz probably scored a few points, I think it's probably a dead issue by now, but Democrats are going to keep trying to mine this particular well.

00:46:11.000 They're going to keep trying to frack this particular well, to use a metaphor that they themselves would never use.

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00:46:51.000 Now, the one issue where I think that Tim Walls may have scored some points, particularly late in the debate, was on the issue of January 6th.

00:46:56.000 Now, again, this issue is basically a debt issue.

00:46:59.000 I don't think that many Americans are sitting around thinking about 2020 and January 6th or any of it.

00:47:04.000 They're thinking about inflation. They're thinking about war in the Middle East.

00:47:06.000 They're thinking about the economy. They're thinking about a port strike.

00:47:08.000 They're thinking about hurricanes. They're thinking about the things that are happening, you know, in the calendar year 2024.

00:47:13.000 They're not thinking about the stuff that happened in the calendar year 2021.

00:47:17.000 However, One of the problems that J.D. Vance has to shoulder when it comes to debate situations like this is because the person who is his running mate has said over and over and over that he did not lose in 2020.

00:47:28.000 J.D., who I think knows that Donald Trump lost in 2020, is forced to not just say the obvious thing The obvious thing is, yes, Donald Trump legally lost.

00:47:38.000 By the laws of the United States, he lost, which is why he left office.

00:47:42.000 I can have questions about it.

00:47:43.000 Those questions became irrelevant the minute that Donald Trump lost the election.

00:47:47.000 The state votes were certified by Congress in a legal process, and then he left.

00:47:53.000 But because Donald Trump doesn't want to hear that from J.D. fans, J.D. is forced into the bizarre position of having to misdirect.

00:48:00.000 Now, again, I think some of the points he's making here are great.

00:48:02.000 He says, you keep talking about threats to democracy.

00:48:04.000 The threats to democracy that Democrats are constantly pursuing, particularly with regard to censorship, are really, really dangerous.

00:48:10.000 Here's a clip at 21. What President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues peacefully in the public square, and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said.

00:48:26.000 I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.

00:48:34.000 It is the threat of censorship.

00:48:36.000 It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.

00:48:42.000 It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.

00:48:46.000 And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation. 0.85

00:48:53.000 I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.

00:49:01.000 Okay, so, again, I agree with an enormous amount of what he's saying.

00:49:04.000 However, he leaves the door open to the January 6th counterattack, and here's Walls going on the attack here.

00:49:10.000 Did he lose the 2020 election?

00:49:13.000 Tim, I'm focused on the future.

00:49:15.000 Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

00:49:22.000 That is a damning non-answer.

00:49:24.000 It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship.

00:49:27.000 I'm Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

00:49:30.000 We've talked about it.

00:49:32.000 I'm happy to talk about it further.

00:49:33.000 But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

00:49:37.000 The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.

00:49:41.000 When Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.

00:49:49.000 What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it?

00:50:05.000 So, again, does this have any impact on the election?

00:50:07.000 Not really, but it does demonstrate the baggage that President Trump has brought along with him because of the activities of 2020.

00:50:13.000 So, overall, what exactly does this debate mean?

00:50:15.000 What it means is J.D. Vance uber-competent.

00:50:18.000 It smooths off many of the rough edges, and it's going to totally change perceptions about J.D. Because if you look at the polling numbers when J.D. was first picked, very negative for J.D. Vance.

00:50:26.000 He was doing these sort of Rah-rah, very online kind of stuff.

00:50:29.000 This is the best of JD Vance.

00:50:31.000 This always was the best of JD Vance.

00:50:32.000 This JD Vance looks a lot like the JD Vance of Hillbilly Elegy fame.

00:50:36.000 It looks a lot less like the JD Vance of some of the online activities that he's sort of been pursuing.

00:50:42.000 JD is an extraordinarily talented politician.

00:50:45.000 He's really young. He's going to be on the scene for a while.

00:50:47.000 That's very good for JD. Good for the Trump campaign in the sense that a good debate is good for the Trump campaign.

00:50:52.000 Is it going to shift a lot of votes?

00:50:53.000 I doubt that it's going to shift a lot of votes.

00:50:55.000 It just reopens, again, an opportunity for Donald Trump to shift his messaging.

00:51:00.000 What Donald Trump should take away from this is that J.D. Vance, everyone today is raving about J.D. Vance.

00:51:04.000 Why? Because J.D. made a calm, collected, cogent case that Harris and Walls should not be the president and Donald Trump should be.

00:51:12.000 That means less bombastic.

00:51:14.000 It means less shouty.

00:51:16.000 It means less... Sort of evocative and exaggerating.

00:51:20.000 It means just say in plain language, she's been terrible.

00:51:24.000 I ran a good administration and I will do it again.

00:51:28.000 It's really that simple.

00:51:29.000 It really is. And if Donald Trump says that from here to the election, without some of the bombastic stuff, without some of the sort of more exaggerated, you don't have to say that Georgia, that Brian Kemp never talked with Joe Biden.

00:51:41.000 You can just say, Joe Biden is in absentia on this job.

00:51:45.000 He takes phone calls and then goes back to the sleep on the beach.

00:51:49.000 He can totally say the stuff that he wants to say.

00:51:51.000 This has always been the story with Donald Trump.

00:51:54.000 If Donald Trump turned that spinal tap volume from 11 down to like 7, he never would have lost the presidency in 2020.

00:52:01.000 And he has the opportunity to win the presidency right now if he does that again.

00:52:05.000 Alrighty, guys, coming up, we're going to jump into the Vaunted Ben Shapiro Show mailbag because I have a couple of days off after this.

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00:52:24.000 It never really seemed to matter that much.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 02, 2024

Vance DESTROYS Walz

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