The Ben Shapiro Show - We Didn’t Start The Fire | Ep. 728

00:00:00.000 Democrats become even more radical as Joe Biden prepares to jump into the 2020 race.

00:00:04.000 Ilhan Omar, another fresh face, so much freshness and faceness, resets her anti-Semitism clock back to zero and we check the mailbag.

00:00:11.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:12.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:18.000 Oh man, a million things to get to today.

00:00:19.000 We're going to get to all of it.

00:00:21.000 First, let's talk about Congress.

00:00:23.000 Okay, Congress is full of people who don't know what the hell they're doing, but want to control your lives.

00:00:27.000 And they also are not interested in circumscribing their own power the way the Constitution was designed to do.

00:00:33.000 But this is why we need to take control of Congress once again, and it's why I'm a big believer in calling a convention of states where we the people can propose amendments.

00:00:41.000 Yes, amendments that could force term limits on Congress, for example, and make them balance the budget. 0.97

00:00:45.000 We've got to stop these idiots before it is too late, because they obviously are not protective of their own power from the executive, and also, they don't care about limiting the power of the government at all. 0.97

00:00:54.000 This is why we need to restore the checks and balances that the Constitution provided for originally, but have been overridden by administrative government for the last century. 0.99

00:01:02.000 Can you imagine the look on the faces of these congresspeople when they realize that they have been circumscribed once again in their power by amendments to the Constitution?

00:01:09.000 This is why calling a convention of states is the only way to get the job done.

00:01:12.000 There are already 3.8 million people with us on this, more every day.

00:01:15.000 Join me and my friend Mark Meckler.

00:01:17.000 Go to conventionofstates.com slash ben to sign the petition today.

00:01:20.000 That's conventionofstates.com slash ben.

00:01:22.000 I keep hearing from folks that convention of states could become a runaway convention.

00:01:25.000 That's not how the article 5 convention works.

00:01:27.000 It still requires confirmation by two-thirds of the states.

00:01:31.000 38 states have to be there and they have to confirm it.

00:01:33.000 So there's that.

00:01:34.000 Also, people say, well, you know, amendments to the Constitution could hamstring Congress too much.

00:01:39.000 Is that really what you're worried about at this point in time?

00:01:42.000 Seriously?

00:01:43.000 Conventionofstates.com slash Benza.

00:01:44.000 Sign the petition today.

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00:01:47.000 OK, so.

00:01:49.000 Big news.

00:01:49.000 We get to update our list of candidates for the 2020 race for the Democratic side.

00:01:55.000 Joining the race, or about to join the race, is, of course, Joe Biden.

00:01:58.000 We've pulled some theme music for Joe Biden, since we have theme music for everybody else.

00:02:01.000 Here's some Joe Biden theme music.

00:02:05.000 Yeah, so that guy, he's about to join the 2020 race.

00:02:08.000 According to The Hill, he is basically setting up all of his campaign apparatus in New Hampshire, in South Carolina.

00:02:16.000 According to The Hill, in recent weeks, the former vice president's longtime advisors, Steve Reschetti and Mike Donilon, Have led a string of meetings with potential aides to fill out the campaign if Biden makes a decision to enter the race, according to various sources.

00:02:28.000 Whenever the VP makes a decision, we'll be ready to go, said one source with direct knowledge of the planning.

00:02:32.000 Greg Schultz, who has run Biden's PAC American Possibilities and served as his political director in the White House, is expected to be the campaign manager.

00:02:40.000 Apparently, Mike Donilon is expected to play the role of chief strategist.

00:02:44.000 Cade Bedingfield, who was Biden's communications director in the White House, is also expected to run his communications shop.

00:02:50.000 Longtime advisors have been talking to other Biden alumni for other press jobs.

00:02:54.000 Now, if Biden doesn't get Barack Obama's endorsement, he's going to have a bit of a rough ride here because he is outflanked on his left by Bernie Sanders and he is outflanked on the intersectional side by Kamala Harris.

00:03:04.000 So the early polls that have him up, I've been around through several presidential election cycles with open primaries, and what you see is that very often the person with the highest name recognition leads initially, and then immediately falls away as soon as the competition actually begins.

00:03:20.000 Biden does not have a massive lead in places like New Hampshire.

00:03:24.000 He's up like 26-22 on Bernie Sanders in some of the polling.

00:03:27.000 Were he to declare, he might jump to 30, but by no means is Biden the prohibitive frontrunner inside the Democratic Party.

00:03:34.000 And he knows this, which is why Biden is constantly playing both sides of the fence.

00:03:39.000 Here's what I mean.

00:03:40.000 So Joe Biden does this routine where he says, I'm friends with people on the other side of the aisle.

00:03:44.000 I'm friends with people on the other side of the aisle that they're good guys.

00:03:47.000 You know, I believe in a better, kinder, gentler.

00:03:49.000 I'm not like Donald Trump.

00:03:51.000 I'm not a polarizing political figure.

00:03:53.000 Forget about the time I called Mitt Romney basically a would-be slave master. 0.83

00:03:56.000 Forget about the time I said he wanted to put black people back in chains. 0.95

00:03:59.000 Forget about all of that. 0.94

00:04:00.000 No, I'm a really good guy.

00:04:01.000 And that's because I like people on the other side.

00:04:03.000 I mean, that's what that's what politics is all about.

00:04:06.000 Now, what's amazing is that Joe Biden then gets called out by his own side and he runs screaming from his own bipartisanship.

00:04:13.000 So here's what happened in the last 24 hours with Joe Biden.

00:04:16.000 And it really is telling about the state of American politics.

00:04:18.000 People are constantly talking about Donald Trump being so radical, so extreme, so polarizing, so mean to his political opponents.

00:04:26.000 And Joe Biden, oh, he longs for a better time.

00:04:28.000 I remember at John McCain's funeral, he got this from Joe Biden.

00:04:31.000 Him going out there and saying, yeah, John McCain and I, we got along gangbusters.

00:04:35.000 We were just, we were just the best of friends and we were really nice to each other.

00:04:38.000 And every so often you see this, right?

00:04:39.000 Elijah Cummings with Mark Meadows doing the same thing.

00:04:42.000 Oh, well, you know, we're really good friends.

00:04:43.000 I know Mark Meadows isn't a racist.

00:04:45.000 But when people on the left are called out by their own side, they will not step forward to defend people with whom they are purportedly friends very often.

00:04:52.000 It's pretty rare.

00:04:53.000 It's pretty rare.

00:04:54.000 I mean, I said, even on my birthday this year, for example, I talked with a lot of folks on the left that I consider friends.

00:04:59.000 Many of them would text me or direct message me on Twitter saying, happy birthday, and would not do so publicly, specifically because they were afraid that they would get blowback from their friends.

00:05:08.000 This is not a rarity that is confined to presidential politics.

00:05:11.000 It is true across the board.

00:05:12.000 Here's what I mean.

00:05:13.000 So, Reid Epstein, who's a reporter for Politico, he tweets out, This is very bad.

00:05:16.000 Joe Biden must never acknowledge Mike Pence as a human being.

00:05:18.000 This is very bad.

00:05:21.000 Joe Biden must never acknowledge Mike Pence as a human being.

00:05:25.000 According to the radical left, Joe Biden acknowledging Mike Pence is akin to saying he agrees with Mike Pence. 0.99

00:05:30.000 And we all know that Mike Pence is a vicious bigot and homophobe who wants to put gay people in re-education camps or something. 0.91

00:05:38.000 So Cynthia Nixon, the failed gubernatorial candidate in New York against Andrew Cuomo, she tweeted out, Joe Biden, you've just called America's most anti-LGBT elected leader a decent guy. 0.97

00:05:48.000 Please consider how this falls on the ears of our community.

00:05:51.000 And then she also atted Biden's wife to make sure that Joe Biden would see her tweet.

00:05:57.000 So he can't be a decent guy because you disagree with him on same-sex marriage.

00:06:00.000 He's a bad guy.

00:06:01.000 So Joe Biden then responds to Cynthia Nixon.

00:06:05.000 And he says, you're right, Cynthia.

00:06:07.000 I was making a point in a foreign policy context that under normal circumstances, a vice president wouldn't be given a silent reaction on the world stage.

00:06:14.000 But there is nothing decent about being anti-LGBTQ rights.

00:06:17.000 And that includes the vice president.

00:06:19.000 Ah, so in the end, Joe Biden is saying, you know what?

00:06:22.000 You're right.

00:06:23.000 Mike Pence, not a decent guy.

00:06:24.000 Actually, a very bad guy because he disagrees with me on all of the LGBTQ politics.

00:06:30.000 So I agree with Cynthia Nixon.

00:06:31.000 I've been called out.

00:06:32.000 I apologize for ever saying that Mike Pence is a decent guy.

00:06:36.000 This is what poisons our politics.

00:06:39.000 This right here is what poisons our politics.

00:06:41.000 Joe Biden is a national leader, like it or not.

00:06:43.000 And him coming out and saying that Mike Pence is a decent guy, well, that should be normal politics.

00:06:48.000 I'm old enough to remember when John McCain did it about Barack Obama.

00:06:51.000 And Mitt Romney did it about Barack Obama.

00:06:53.000 Democrats don't do this for people on the other side.

00:06:56.000 They just don't.

00:06:56.000 Democrats at high level.

00:06:58.000 Joe Biden is supposed to be king of bipartisanship over here.

00:07:00.000 And the minute that he's called out by a radical like Cynthia Nixon, then it's, well, you know, I guess Mike Pence isn't a decent guy.

00:07:06.000 I guess he's a bad guy now because I need Cynthia Nixon's support. 0.97

00:07:11.000 There's an actual term for this.

00:07:12.000 We call it getting duplaste.

00:07:14.000 And I know a little bit about this.

00:07:16.000 For those who missed this story, it was probably, what, six months ago, maybe?

00:07:20.000 There's an actor and director named Mark Duplass, very talented guy in Hollywood.

00:07:23.000 And he was doing a new movie about gun control and the gun debate.

00:07:27.000 And so he reached out through a mutual friend and asked if he could come into the Daily Wire offices.

00:07:31.000 And he asked if he could talk with me for a little while about the pro-gun position.

00:07:35.000 And I said, sure.

00:07:37.000 He came in.

00:07:37.000 I gave him maybe an hour and a half.

00:07:39.000 We just talked about guns and gun control and the various positions and where pro-gun people are coming from, what the Second Amendment means and all the rest.

00:07:48.000 And I gave him a lot of time.

00:07:49.000 And as he was leaving, I said, dude, you may not want to let people know publicly that you were here because you're going to get clocked by your own side.

00:07:55.000 Well, about a month later, Duplass tweets out, if you want to follow somebody from the other side who's honest and well-intentioned, you should follow Ben Shapiro.

00:08:02.000 And he's hit with an inordinate number, a wave, a tsunami, a tidal wave.

00:08:07.000 of hatred from the left saying Ben Shapiro isn't a decent guy.

00:08:10.000 Do you think Ben Shapiro is a decent guy for X, Y, and Z?

00:08:13.000 Here's all the bad things we think Ben Shapiro has ever said.

00:08:16.000 So simply for saying I'm a decent guy with whom he disagrees, he gets hit with a wave of response.

00:08:21.000 And then, being a coward, Mark Duplass backs off his original comment, deletes his tweet saying that I'm a well-intentioned person, and puts out a statement saying that he stands against racism, bigotry, sexism, and homophobia.

00:08:34.000 That is called being duplassed.

00:08:35.000 Joe Biden just duplassed Mike Pence.

00:08:38.000 And here's the problem.

00:08:39.000 I think this is an endemic thing to an enormous number of people on the left.

00:08:42.000 They are so afraid of their own side eating them for simply acknowledging the humanity of people who disagree with them, that they are willing to dump those people under the bus at the drop of a hat.

00:08:52.000 It really is sickening. 0.92

00:08:53.000 I mean, that's sickening behavior by the vice president. 0.90

00:08:55.000 He knows Mike Pence.

00:08:56.000 He knows Mike Pence is a decent guy.

00:08:58.000 They may disagree on politics.

00:09:00.000 But that does not change the reality on the ground that Mike Pence is a decent American who is well-intentioned, even if he and Biden disagree.

00:09:09.000 I've been striving in recent years.

00:09:10.000 It's really something I've striven to do.

00:09:12.000 I've been striving to try and grant the initial recognition of people with whom I disagree, the initial recognition of their good intentions.

00:09:20.000 Now, sometimes you can't uphold that.

00:09:22.000 Sometimes the intentions, it's just not possible.

00:09:25.000 We'll get to Ilhan Omar in a second.

00:09:27.000 Sometimes it's not possible to read people's comments other than as a reflection of underlying animus.

00:09:33.000 But there's a concept in Judaism called Dan Lechav Tzchuz, which means that you are supposed to try and see people in the most favorable possible light.

00:09:40.000 You're supposed to treat them like human beings.

00:09:41.000 And if we don't do that, we can't have a common conversation.

00:09:44.000 Because if, in the end, Joe Biden believes that Mike Pence is a bad, ill-intentioned guy, there's no conversation to be had. 0.97

00:09:50.000 Then it's just about clubbing him to death like a baby seal.

00:09:53.000 Joe Biden got clubbed into shape by Cynthia Nixon, who's not even a mainstream political figure in the Democratic Party. 0.96

00:10:00.000 I got an email from a friend last night.

00:10:03.000 I'm not going to mention who.

00:10:04.000 This is a person who is on the left.

00:10:06.000 And this person emailed me and said, you know, is the conservative movement... This person was watching.

00:10:12.000 CPAC, and was noticing that there are some people who are sort of fringy at CPAC, and this person was saying, do you think that the conservative movement is unusually susceptible to grifters?

00:10:22.000 Do you think the conservative movement is unusually susceptible to people who take advantage of conservatives?

00:10:27.000 Because there are a lot of people in the conservative movement who rely on purity tests, meaning that it's very easy to get people to buy into your program when you say things like, people who disagree with me are insufficiently pure, therefore come around to my side.

00:10:41.000 And I said to this person, no, this exists on all sides of the political aisle.

00:10:44.000 But it certainly exists on the left, because what just happened there is Joe Biden throwing the sitting vice president of the United States under the bus as an even decent human being, just because Cynthia Nixon, a radical in every sense of the word, a radical, says that Joe Biden should not even make absolutely anodyne, milquetoast comments about Mike Pence being a human being.

00:11:06.000 That's really sick stuff.

00:11:08.000 And it's bad for our politics.

00:11:10.000 It destroys our politics, in fact. 0.95

00:11:12.000 So Joe Biden is a weakling. 0.95

00:11:13.000 He's a moral weakling. 0.98

00:11:15.000 And he demonstrated that in front of the world. 0.91

00:11:17.000 Nobody's going to pay attention, of course, because if you hate Mike Pence or what Mike Pence stands for, then you also don't believe he's a human being.

00:11:22.000 But if we don't get to the point where we acknowledge that people on the other side are at least human beings or that they can be human beings and that simple political disagreement is not a mark of bigotry, animus and hate, There's not gonna be a republic for very long in this country.

00:11:37.000 If you really believe that your opposition is innately motivated by bigotry and hatred, why exactly would you respect their vote?

00:11:44.000 Why would you respect their right to free speech?

00:11:45.000 Why would you respect their right to congregate and associate?

00:11:48.000 You wouldn't.

00:11:49.000 If you think everybody on the other side's a Nazi, then you start treating them like Nazis.

00:11:53.000 And that's not... That's not a good thing.

00:11:56.000 There aren't a lot of Nazis left in America.

00:11:58.000 But if we start treating each other like the other side is a Nazi, and you can punch a Nazi, Rights are endangered.

00:12:04.000 Rights are endangered, and so is our common social fabric.

00:12:07.000 We'll get to more of the 2020 Democratic presidential race in just one second.

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00:13:49.000 OK, so it's not just Joe Biden who is radical.

00:13:53.000 It is Beto O'Rourke, so Beto!

00:13:55.000 Dude's ready to run, yo!

00:13:56.000 Do we have some Beto theme music?

00:13:59.000 I think that we need some.

00:14:02.000 I can't handle it without it.

00:14:03.000 Do we have it, guys?

00:14:05.000 Oh.

00:14:05.000 No.

00:14:06.000 No!

00:14:07.000 Yes.

00:14:08.000 Beto is ready to skateboard into the 2020 race.

00:14:15.000 According to Oregon Live, when a U.S.

00:14:18.000 Senate bid comes up short, the losing candidate typically must pump the brakes on his or her ambition.

00:14:22.000 The next move tends to be sideways, a run for governor or maybe state AG, or backwards, a House of Representatives seat.

00:14:27.000 That's not true for Beto.

00:14:30.000 He lost his attempt to move up in the Senate last year and then became a national political star because the media decided that he was a hero.

00:14:37.000 O'Rourke told the Dallas Morning News on Wednesday, Amy, that's his wife, and I have made a decision about how we can best serve our country.

00:14:42.000 We are excited to share it with everyone soon.

00:14:44.000 And then he ruled out running for Senate against John Cornyn, the other senator in Texas.

00:14:50.000 So he is famous for skateboarding and riding bicycles and generally being a rad dude.

00:14:57.000 So he's going to be running as well.

00:14:58.000 So that's very exciting.

00:15:00.000 Bye now.

00:15:00.000 Everybody is pumped up about Beto.

00:15:03.000 He's kind of a second tier candidate.

00:15:04.000 If you have to rank the candidates right now, you have to rank them at the top.

00:15:07.000 Biden, Sanders, Kamala Harris.

00:15:09.000 Beto is a top of the second tier, is where you'd put Beto O'Rourke.

00:15:13.000 Pretty obvious VP pick if Kamala Harris wins the nomination. 0.97

00:15:17.000 Speaking of which, Kamala Harris gets herself in a little bit of trouble. 1.00

00:15:21.000 So it turns out that Kamala tried to rewrite history with her own policy. 0.99

00:15:27.000 Do we have some Kamala Harris theme music?

00:15:29.000 Because it's actually fitting.

00:15:32.000 There it is.

00:15:34.000 So Nark Kamala Harris, who has undercut her support with her own bass because her history is basically being an AG, right?

00:15:42.000 Like an actual prosecutor.

00:15:44.000 Well, according to PolitiFact, she actually lies about her own record now.

00:15:48.000 They say presidential candidate and U.S. Senator Kamala Harris has made protecting undocumented youth a top priority during her time in the Senate.

00:15:54.000 She's been a vocal supporter of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which gives temporary protections to more than 700,000 young undocumented immigrants or dreamers brought to the country as children.

00:16:04.000 But on the campaign trail in Iowa this past weekend, Harris made some questionable statements about a 2008 San Francisco policy that reported undocumented youth to federal immigration officials upon their arrest by local police.

00:16:16.000 At the time, Harris was the San Francisco DA, and she supported the policy, which didn't take into account whether the youth were actually found guilty of a crime, meaning as soon as they were arrested, ICE was notified.

00:16:25.000 And then she lied about it.

00:16:26.000 Now, that's actually the right policy.

00:16:27.000 The right policy is that ICE should know when people are accused of a crime and are also illegal immigrants.

00:16:32.000 But she lied about it.

00:16:34.000 So she was asked, could you give us some insight on how, when for whatever reason you were supporting this policy that was essentially handing over undocumented people to ICE before they had been convicted, what's changed on that?

00:16:44.000 How did you come up with those changes?

00:16:46.000 Harris said, that ended up being an unintended consequence of the policy, and I did not support that consequence of the policy.

00:16:53.000 And I believe that policy has since been changed because it was not the intended purpose of that policy.

00:16:58.000 That, unfortunately, is completely false.

00:17:01.000 It is completely false.

00:17:02.000 Former San Francisco County Supervisor David Campos strongly opposed the policy change.

00:17:06.000 He said that her statement just doesn't fly.

00:17:08.000 He said, with all due respect to Senator Harris, who has been a friend, I don't understand how she can say that.

00:17:13.000 Turning over young people and children who are accused of a crime that later turned out they did not commit was not an unintended consequence of what was going on.

00:17:20.000 It was precisely what was going on and what we were trying to avoid when we changed the policy.

00:17:24.000 You cannot rewrite history.

00:17:26.000 And then, so the policy was reversed?

00:17:28.000 Gavin Newsom at the time was the mayor of San Francisco and he refused to enforce the reversal.

00:17:33.000 Harris, of course, explained her position, saying, there was an initiative that was written by a board of supervisors that was passed, and there was opposition to that, but it did pass.

00:17:41.000 We're going to have to wait to see how the courts interpret it.

00:17:43.000 From my perspective, I think it would be in conflict with federal law, and we have to follow the law.

00:17:48.000 So she knew full well the consequences of the policy when she endorsed it.

00:17:51.000 Now she's reversing herself. 1.00

00:17:53.000 PolitiFact, which is a left-leaning source, if ever there was one, they say that the very purpose of the policy that Harris endorsed is the one she says she did not endorse.

00:18:02.000 They say, Kamala Harris does have an opening to her left. 1.00

00:18:04.000 that undocumented residents should be protected by and able to trust local law enforcement.

00:18:08.000 That sentiment, however, does not take away from her mischaracterization of the goal and fraught history of the 2008 policy she supported.

00:18:14.000 And they write Kamala Harris's claims false.

00:18:17.000 This is Kamala Harris does have an opening to her left. 1.00

00:18:19.000 Bernie Sanders is going to take that opening.

00:18:21.000 So again, I think that Joe Biden right now has the most name recognition, but there is not a clear path to him to the nomination unless he is endorsed by Barack Obama, who looks like he's going to sit this one out.

00:18:31.000 And the Democratic base is too radical for Kamala Harris, so Bernie may be the guy.

00:18:37.000 Beto is sort of hoping he can draw enough from these various pools to win the nomination.

00:18:41.000 But it's going to be a I think it's a Bernie versus Kamala race, maybe to the end here with Biden trying to sneak up the middle.

00:18:48.000 So that's basically where things stand.

00:18:49.000 Meanwhile, the Democratic extremism is not relegated only to the 2020 race.

00:18:54.000 There's an unfortunate truth.

00:18:57.000 Anti-Semitism has a home in the Democratic Party.

00:18:59.000 It does.

00:19:00.000 And Ilhan Omar is praised by the by the higher ups in the Democratic Party, despite saying routinely anti-Semitic things.

00:19:06.000 Every two weeks, she has to apologize for anti-Semitism.

00:19:09.000 She's like that, she's like that GIF from Futurama. 0.93

00:19:12.000 Days since accident.

00:19:14.000 The person who goes up and nails up a one, and then the one falls down to reveal a zero.

00:19:18.000 Days since antisemitism.

00:19:20.000 Ilhan Omar, it, usually it's about 10, and then she has to reset it back to zero.

00:19:25.000 So you'll recall that Ilhan Omar, like, literally two and a half weeks ago, tweeted out, it's all about the Benjamins, with regard to American support for Israel, as though the Jews, the nefarious Jews, were paying off Americans to support Israel.

00:19:39.000 And then she apologized for it, but not really.

00:19:42.000 She says, no, I never apologized for being anti-Semitic.

00:19:45.000 And she walked back her own apology.

00:19:47.000 You've since apologized unequivocally for the tweet.

00:19:49.000 You've said rightly that anti-Semitism is real. 1.00

00:19:51.000 But just to be clear, I mean, we're a few weeks on now.

00:19:54.000 I mean, what were you apologizing for?

00:19:56.000 Was it a badly worded tweet that you were apologizing for?

00:20:00.000 Or was it for being anti-Semitic wittingly or unwittingly?

00:20:03.000 Oh, absolutely not.

00:20:04.000 I apologized for the way that my words made people feel.

00:20:10.000 The reason, you know, and the purpose of the apology was to make sure that the people who were hurt felt understood and heard.

00:20:19.000 Okay, that's an amazing non-apology.

00:20:22.000 Right?

00:20:22.000 They're so fresh and so face Ilhan Omar.

00:20:24.000 I mean, on the cover of Rolling Stone, with Nancy Pelosi, smiling and grinning away, open anti-Semite.

00:20:30.000 Open anti-Semite.

00:20:31.000 So is Rashida Tlaib, also an open anti-Semite, who in the past has suggested that American Jews are rife with dual loyalty.

00:20:38.000 That American Jews only like Israel because they're actually secretly nefarious Jewish workers for the Jewish state. 1.00

00:20:45.000 The Jews! 0.93

00:20:47.000 It can't be that American Jews are supportive of Israel because Israel is the home of Jews protecting Jewish lives. 0.60

00:20:55.000 Israel is a democracy, the only democracy in the region, and the place all over the world where Muslims have the most rights.

00:21:03.000 It can't be because of that. 0.98

00:21:04.000 It has to be because Jews are nefarious secret agents of the Israeli state. 1.00

00:21:09.000 That's really why all of this is happening. 0.94

00:21:11.000 Rashida Tlaib tweeted something out about that three months ago.

00:21:13.000 No apology from Rashida Tlaib.

00:21:14.000 So open anti-Semitism, totally fine inside the Democratic Party. 0.98

00:21:18.000 And Ilhan Omar, that apology is an incredible apology.

00:21:21.000 Imagine that you get in a fight with your spouse and you say something truly terrible to your spouse.

00:21:27.000 I mean, you do essentially what Ilhan Omar did. 1.00

00:21:29.000 You call your wife a whore. 1.00

00:21:30.000 I mean, she's basically suggesting that American Jews and Americans who support Israel are whores who can be bought off with money. 1.00

00:21:37.000 That's basically what she suggested when she said it's all about the Benjamins. 0.99

00:21:40.000 Imagine you said to your wife, you know what, sweetheart? 1.00

00:21:41.000 You're a whore. 1.00

00:21:43.000 And then she said, well, that's a pretty awful thing to say. 1.00

00:21:44.000 How dare you?

00:21:45.000 That's an evil, terrible thing to say.

00:21:46.000 And you said, you know what?

00:21:48.000 I apologize for how my words made you feel.

00:21:51.000 No, it's the thing you said that's evil.

00:21:54.000 It's the thing you said that's bad.

00:21:56.000 But Ilhan Omar never apologized really for those comments, but we were all supposed to overlook that because so fresh, so faced, and of course she can claim in her intersectional way that she is a minority woman from Somalia who is a Muslim, and therefore that's the reason people are angry. 0.89

00:22:09.000 Not because she's a rabid anti-Semite, and she's been consistently anti-Semitic for legitimately her entire career.

00:22:14.000 It's not because of that.

00:22:16.000 It's because she's a Muslim woman that people are very angry at her. 0.98

00:22:19.000 Weird, weird, because there are lots of Muslims that I know who are not anti-semitic and yet she is anti-semitic. 0.76

00:22:26.000 So I have very little faith that this has anything to do with Islam.

00:22:29.000 I have a lot of faith that it has to do with her being a blatant anti-semite is the reason why people are upset with her.

00:22:34.000 Okay, so Ilhan Omar yesterday doubled down on her anti-semitism.

00:22:39.000 She was doing an event This was an event in New York.

00:22:43.000 Sorry, it was in Washington, D.C., actually, at some bookstore.

00:22:47.000 She was doing it with Rashida Tlaib.

00:22:48.000 And at a certain point here, somebody in the audience yells out, it's all about the Benjamins.

00:22:52.000 And both Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar smile, according to press reports.

00:22:56.000 And then Ilhan Omar explains that what she really wants to question is why these nefarious Jews are so loyal to Israel. 0.98

00:23:04.000 I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.

00:23:15.000 I want to ask, why is it okay for me to talk about the influence of the NRA of fossil fuel industries or big pharma and not talk about a powerful lobbying group that is influencing why is it okay for me to talk about the influence Okay, because the NRA is pushing for a principle.

00:23:39.000 Okay, the Koch brothers push for principles.

00:23:40.000 Your suggestion, Ilhan Omar, you anti-Semite, your suggestion is that AIPAC and the Jews broadly in the United States and American Israel supporters in the United States are not supporting Israel based on principle.

00:23:53.000 They are doing so based on dual loyalty.

00:23:55.000 They are doing so based on tribal loyalty to Jews. 0.91

00:23:57.000 So in other words, if Israel decided to become a monstrous dictatorship overnight and start legitimately executing people, that all the Jews in the United States would call for continued American support for Israel. 0.82

00:24:07.000 Because they're principle-free.

00:24:08.000 I mean, that's her essential contention.

00:24:10.000 Her essential contention is that American Jewish support for Israel is not based on any sort of principle.

00:24:15.000 It is based on allegiance to a foreign power.

00:24:18.000 Now, think about how absurd that is in the context of other states.

00:24:21.000 I am a big believer that the United States should stand with the continued existence of Great Britain.

00:24:26.000 And I think that the existence of Great Britain is a great and wonderful thing.

00:24:29.000 Why?

00:24:30.000 Because it is a country that has stood for human dignity and liberty, because it is a country that is democracy, because it is an ally of the United States in real politic terms.

00:24:39.000 Does this mean that I have allegiance to Great Britain?

00:24:42.000 That I have full allegiance to the British?

00:24:45.000 I think France should exist.

00:24:46.000 I think Germany should exist.

00:24:47.000 And I think Israel should exist, too.

00:24:50.000 And I think that backing the continued existence of the State of Israel in the face of genocidal terrorism is not, in fact, a violation of America's priorities.

00:24:57.000 I think it should be one of America's moral priorities.

00:25:00.000 That does not indicate dual loyalty or allegiance to Israel.

00:25:05.000 That's an insane contention.

00:25:07.000 And an anti-Semitic one.

00:25:07.000 Because, again, it is suggesting something about Jews that you would not suggest about anyone else.

00:25:12.000 Would Ilhan Omar be willing to say that Catholics have dual loyalty to Rome?

00:25:16.000 Catholics have dual loyalty to the Pope?

00:25:18.000 No!

00:25:19.000 Catholics have a series of religious principles that they hold dear.

00:25:23.000 And those religious principles jibe with their American citizenship.

00:25:27.000 Because they believe that America forwards certain basic precepts that agree with the basic precepts of Christianity.

00:25:36.000 This notion that if you have certain... We all have certain fundamental moral principles that dictate what we support and what we do not.

00:25:42.000 But that's not what Ilhan Omar is claiming.

00:25:43.000 She's claiming... 1.00

00:25:45.000 That the Jews particularly don't have any central moral principle for supporting Israel.

00:25:49.000 There's no moral principle underlying it.

00:25:50.000 It is simply dual loyalty or allegiance to the government of Israel.

00:25:54.000 That is a vile smear that has been perpetrated against Jews for legitimately centuries.

00:25:58.000 That the Jews are a people apart who only have tribal loyalty and they don't have any underlying principles that leads to a belief that the Jewish people should exist. 0.69

00:26:07.000 That essentially, Zionism is racism. 0.90

00:26:11.000 That essentially, belief in the Jewish people as a whole has nothing to do with Jewish principle and everything to do with ethnicity.

00:26:17.000 That is a lie. 0.99

00:26:18.000 It's a disgusting lie. 1.00

00:26:19.000 But it's a lie that she perpetrates. 0.99

00:26:21.000 So, she says all this.

00:26:22.000 And the Democratic Party?

00:26:24.000 Absolutely silent.

00:26:25.000 Has Nancy Pelosi said a word?

00:26:26.000 No.

00:26:27.000 Is she going to say a word?

00:26:28.000 No.

00:26:28.000 She's going to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone with Ilhan Omar.

00:26:31.000 Why would she say a word?

00:26:33.000 Are you going to hear anything from Chuck Schumer, that supposed great friend to Jews in New York? 0.96

00:26:38.000 No, he's not going to say a damn thing. 0.90

00:26:40.000 Because the Democratic Party is fully comfortable with the intersectional pyramid that suggests that if you rank higher in terms of victimology in the United States than the white Jews, then that means that you get to say whatever anti-Semitic things you please. 0.97

00:26:51.000 Now, what's so hysterical about this, of course, is that if you're going to look, by hate crime statistics, at who is most victimized, who should be higher on the intersectional pyramid, in terms of, for example, hate crimes, Jews should be higher than Muslims on the intersectional pyramid.

00:27:05.000 Because Jews are victimized at twice the rate of Muslims in the United States on a per capita basis, according to FBI statistics.

00:27:11.000 That cuts no ice for folks on the left who believe that Jews are too successful to be part of the intersectional pyramid.

00:27:17.000 Jews, broadly speaking, are too successful, therefore, if they are insulted by a group that is less successful in the United States because all unsuccess in the intersectional pyramid is based on American bigotry.

00:27:28.000 It's based on the idea that America is a vile, terrible place that is keeping people under its boot. 0.96

00:27:33.000 Those groups are allowed to victimize Jews and yell about Jews and be as anti-Semitic as they damn well please. 1.00

00:27:38.000 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:27:40.000 But don't worry, Ilhan Omar's a fresh face. 0.99

00:27:42.000 And if we talk about her anti-Semitism, it's only because she's Muslim.

00:27:45.000 It really must be because of that.

00:27:46.000 It must be because of her religion. 0.99

00:27:48.000 It's insane. 0.93

00:27:49.000 By the way, the radicalism of the new fangled Democrats is just, it's tremendously extreme.

00:27:54.000 It really is.

00:27:55.000 And the mainstream Democratic Party is disappearing.

00:27:58.000 And it's leading us down a path where there can be no agreement.

00:28:02.000 I mentioned earlier, Joe Biden basically suggesting you can't be friends with a Republican, that there are no decent Republicans.

00:28:08.000 He called Mike Pence a decent guy and then immediately walked it back.

00:28:11.000 Well, among the Democrats, now Democrats are going after not only Republicans, but each other.

00:28:16.000 So first of all, they continue to suggest that all people they disagree with are vicious racists.

00:28:20.000 Rashida Tlaib, who again is just as vile as Ilhan Omar in her anti-Semitism.

00:28:26.000 You'll recall that a couple of days ago during the Michael Cohen hearing, Michael Cohen was contending that President Trump was a racist.

00:28:31.000 And Mark Meadows pointed to a woman named Lynn Patton who works with President Trump.

00:28:37.000 And he said, well, Lynne Patton works with President Trump every day, and she's here, and Lynne Patton has given me this piece of testimony saying that she's never seen President Trump be a racist.

00:28:44.000 I said this was not a good argument. 0.97

00:28:46.000 I said it was an emotional appeal, that I have a black friend is not a real good response to, you are a racist. 0.98

00:28:53.000 All of that can be true. 0.98

00:28:54.000 Rashida Tlaib went further.

00:28:55.000 She said that Mark Meadows was an actual racist for saying, here's a black person who knows President Trump and doesn't think that he's a racist and deals with him every day. 0.74

00:29:03.000 Rashida Tlaib said that Mark Meadows was a racist and that was a racist act.

00:29:07.000 And then she supposedly apologized for that. 0.98

00:29:09.000 But just like Ilhan Omar's apology, it's not real.

00:29:12.000 She then went on CNN and doubled down on it.

00:29:13.000 Do you still today believe that Congressman Mark Meadows engaged in a racist act?

00:29:19.000 I believe that that moment, as a person of color, and not only myself, two, I think three other of my colleagues had mentioned how insensitive that act was.

00:29:29.000 I think all of us, I mean even folks at home, kind of gasped when that actually happened.

00:29:34.000 I think if we want to talk about race in this country, that was not the way to do it.

00:29:38.000 So in other words, she says that that still was a racist act.

00:29:40.000 Mark Meadows participated in racism by saying, here is a black woman that I know who works with President Trump, and she can testify that President Trump has never acted in a racist way toward her.

00:29:49.000 Why is that racist?

00:29:50.000 Well, supposedly because Mark Meadows was engaging in a form of tokenism.

00:29:53.000 It's very weird when the left will suggest that tokenism is occurring.

00:29:56.000 So the left will suggest that tokenism is occurring when, for example, Mark Meadows says, here's a black person who knows President Trump.

00:30:02.000 But tokenism is not occurring when Michael Cohen asks how many black people are on President Trump's staff, as though if he had a bunch of black people working for him, that would also be a defense against racism.

00:30:12.000 So tokenism only works when the left says that it works.

00:30:15.000 It's an inaptly applied label.

00:30:18.000 Also, it's a little bit insulting to a black woman, Lynne Patton, to suggest that she's willing to stand there and be used as a token of her race.

00:30:26.000 Lynne Patton immediately responded along those lines.

00:30:28.000 Here's what Lynne Patton had to say about Rashida Tlaib. 1.00

00:30:31.000 What I'd like to ask the Congresswoman from Michigan is, you know, why does she take the word of a self-confessed perjurer and criminally convicted white man over a black female 0.99

00:30:46.000 Who's highly educated, rose up through the ranks of one of the most competitive companies in real estate, spoke before 25 million people at the Republican National Convention, and now works in one of the most historic administrations in history.

00:31:03.000 And so to me, that would be my question.

00:31:05.000 That's more racist than being put up there as a quote-unquote prop.

00:31:10.000 Okay, yeah, calling her a prop, that is a bad thing, right?

00:31:13.000 That's not, that seems pretty racially charged.

00:31:15.000 Didn't matter.

00:31:16.000 AOC then defended her fellow fresh face. 1.00

00:31:18.000 All the fresh faces defend each other.

00:31:19.000 They're fine with each other's anti-semitism or the sort of racism that reeks, the intersectional racism that reeks off of them.

00:31:26.000 AOC tweeted out total bravery from Rashida Tlaib as she reminds the nation that tokenism is racism.

00:31:33.000 So again, it's not racism if you ask how many black people do you have in your office as a proof of your non-racism.

00:31:39.000 It is racism if you say, here's how many black people I have in my office to prove that you're not a racist.

00:31:45.000 Also, bravery has certainly changed its definition.

00:31:47.000 Rashida Tlaib is so brave.

00:31:49.000 I mean, just like Normandy.

00:31:50.000 Just like Normandy.

00:31:51.000 Calling Republicans racist these days?

00:31:52.000 I mean, talk about taking a risk.

00:31:54.000 My goodness.

00:31:56.000 In a second, we're going to talk about what else AOC is doing to help oust the supposed moderates left in her party.

00:32:03.000 We'll get to that in just a second.

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00:33:52.000 Okay, so House Democrats are now dividing in on themselves.

00:34:00.000 It's not just that Democrats have become radical and attack Republicans as racist and bad people at every turn, while engaging in some of the most racist anti-Semitic behavior I've seen in modern American history.

00:34:11.000 Not just that.

00:34:13.000 The radicals in the Democratic Party are now trying to eat their own.

00:34:16.000 According to the Washington Post, House Democrats explode in recriminations as liberals lash out at moderates.

00:34:21.000 By the way, they're not liberals.

00:34:22.000 They're leftists lashing out at liberals.

00:34:25.000 There are no moderate Democrats left in the Democratic Party, basically.

00:34:28.000 So those are liberals.

00:34:29.000 And then there are the leftists, who are censorious woke-scolds, who are trying to shut down members of their own party.

00:34:36.000 Mike DeBonis is reporting, he says, House Democrats exploded in recriminations Thursday over moderates bucking the party, with liberal representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez threatening to put those voting with Republicans on a list for a primary challenge.

00:34:48.000 As though AOC has any weight at all.

00:34:51.000 In the last election cycle, she endorsed a bunch of other people, and it did not work.

00:34:55.000 It was just a giant fail for her.

00:34:57.000 Virtually all of them were defeated.

00:34:58.000 In a closed-door session, a frustrated speaker, Nancy Pelosi, lashed out at about two dozen moderates and pressured them to get on board. 0.99

00:35:04.000 We're either a team or we're not, and we have to make that decision, Pelosi said.

00:35:08.000 According to two people present but not authorized to discuss the remarks publicly, but Ocasio-Cortez, the unquestioned media superstar of the freshman class, upped the ante, admonishing the moderates and indicating she would help liberal activists unseat them in the 2020 election.

00:35:21.000 Corbyn Trent, a spokesperson for AOC, said she is putting her colleagues, the Democrats, she told her colleagues, the Democrats who side with Republicans, are putting themselves on a list.

00:35:30.000 Oh, this isn't going to go poorly at all.

00:35:32.000 This is going to go great.

00:35:34.000 Apparently AOC and her other leftist colleagues are targeting the quote-unquote moderates.

00:35:38.000 By the way, those moderates now include apparently people like Dianne Feinstein, one of the most left-leaning members of the Senate in American history.

00:35:45.000 I mean, those moderates include people who exist in purple states.

00:35:50.000 It's really funny, there was a lot of talk about how the Tea Party had made the Republican Party more radical, how people had been primaried, moderates had been primaried and replaced with less traditional candidates who were purer ideologically, and how bad that was.

00:36:02.000 I'm missing that same sense of recrimination from the media when AOC, an open democratic socialist who is a member of the DSA, when she says that she's going to cleanse the party with fire.

00:36:12.000 Triggering the blowup were Wednesday's votes on a bill to expand federal background checks for gun purchases.

00:36:17.000 26 moderate Democrats joined Republicans in amending the legislation, adding a provision requiring that ICE be notified if an illegal immigrant seeks to purchase a gun.

00:36:25.000 That infuriated liberals.

00:36:26.000 Why would that infuriate liberals?

00:36:27.000 Because they're not liberal. 1.00

00:36:28.000 They're insane. 0.98

00:36:30.000 Why would, if an illegal immigrant tries to buy a gun, why should ICE not be notified? 0.97

00:36:34.000 So in other words, Democrats believe that if an American citizen purchases a gun, that should basically not be allowed, but if an illegal immigrant tries to purchase a gun, ICE shouldn't even know about it. 0.58

00:36:44.000 The Democratic infighting reflects a fractured caucus and a diverse freshman class, with dozens of moderates elected in districts President Trump won in 2016 at odds with hard-charging liberals.

00:36:54.000 The split has exposed divisions among Pelosi and her top lieutenants, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland and Majority Whip James Clyburn, South Carolina, over the party's strategy to keep its newfound majority.

00:37:05.000 It's going to get uglier inside the Democratic Party because, again, the radicals have control of the tiller.

00:37:10.000 Nancy Pelosi may just be along for the ride, or maybe she's going to have to fight AOC for the actual control of the party. 1.00

00:37:17.000 Whatever it is, there's no question the Democratic Party has lost, is losing whatever moorings in reason are available.

00:37:25.000 And that means moorings in a social fabric.

00:37:27.000 And listen, the right is not immune to this.

00:37:30.000 Certainly not.

00:37:30.000 I've been very critical of Republicans this week on a variety of issues, but let's be clear.

00:37:36.000 What the Democratic Party is doing in embracing the most radical form of their base is deeply damaging not just to the Democratic Party overall, I think we need two viable parties, but deeply damaging to the country because that radical base is firmly convinced that people on the other side are bad human beings who must be destroyed at any cost and believe that they can say anything in the pursuit of that destruction.

00:37:54.000 Alright, time for the mailbag.

00:37:55.000 So, Joe says, Hey Ben, my girlfriend and I got into a debate on whether or not anxiety is a sin.

00:38:00.000 I know it states in the Bible that we are to put our trust in God, and if we don't, we are questioning God's plan.

00:38:04.000 As someone who suffers from a panic disorder, I was a little off-put by the idea that I was sinning over something I had no control over.

00:38:10.000 So my question is, can you separate a panic anxiety disorder from sinful anxiety?

00:38:14.000 Thanks, love the show.

00:38:15.000 Listen, as a Jew, I'm not a big fan of the idea that your feelings are typically a sin.

00:38:20.000 I think that usually your actions are a sin.

00:38:23.000 Judaism is more of an acts-based religion than a faith-based religion in the sense that facts don't care about your feelings and acts don't care about your feelings.

00:38:30.000 So, sinful anxiety, I would assume, would be taking measures that demonstrate a lack of faith in God in some sort of fulsome fashion.

00:38:40.000 Um, but just being anxious over the future I think is sort of a natural part of the human condition.

00:38:44.000 Trying to fight it is going to make your life better.

00:38:46.000 Trying to be more accepting is going to make your life better.

00:38:49.000 Here's a phrase my dad taught me many years ago when I had a little bit of anxiety in law school.

00:38:54.000 I didn't like being away from home.

00:38:55.000 I didn't like living in an apartment by myself.

00:38:58.000 I had lived at home during college and so I, you know, used to get anxious being by myself.

00:39:03.000 3,000 miles away from my family and he used to say acceptance is relaxation and That is a basically religious principle that you have to sort of accept the reality of what is But as far as anxiety itself being a sin, I think it's something that can be fought without it necessarily being a sin I tend to think of sin as activity not as feelings now again if you allow the feelings to dominate your life the part of your life that you can control, then you may be veering into sin, but I don't think that the feeling itself is sinful.

00:39:29.000 Nicholas says, "I was recently a part "of a discussion about abortion.

00:39:32.000 "I was in charge to combat this question.

00:39:33.000 "Where do we draw the line in terms of what is okay "to use as birth control, such as the morning after pill?

00:39:37.000 "I'm interested to hear your response." So the basic pro-life position on this is that once conception has taken place, anything that ends the chain of creation of human life is in fact abortion and not birth control.

00:39:48.000 So condoms, for example, are birth control and not abortion.

00:39:51.000 There's been no conception yet.

00:39:53.000 The sperm is separate from the egg.

00:39:54.000 There's been no new DNA formed.

00:39:55.000 There's been no inception of human life.

00:39:58.000 But if you're talking about the morning-after pill that prevents, for example, implantation, right?

00:40:03.000 I'm still I believe that that's generally the morning after pill does.

00:40:07.000 There are some people who suggest that it prevents conception itself.

00:40:10.000 Again, if it were to prevent conception, I think that's not abortion.

00:40:14.000 If it prevents implantation, I think that that is more like abortion.

00:40:21.000 And even though I pointed out they do collect sales tax, it got me thinking.

00:40:23.000 Why should we tax businesses at all?

00:40:26.000 It's one thing to tax people who, in theory, use the roads, schools, safety net, etc.

00:40:29.000 that taxes provide.

00:40:30.000 Wouldn't it be better to encourage businesses to keep all their profits and put the money back into the business, expand or even give higher wages?

00:40:36.000 Wouldn't the economy grow faster that way?

00:40:38.000 Or are there enough loopholes that most businesses don't pay taxes and Amazon is just the fall guy at the moment?

00:40:43.000 Well, loopholes don't... When people use the phrase tax loopholes, that's not a phrase that really exists.

00:40:48.000 What they mean is tax deductions.

00:40:49.000 So if you have a tax deduction, that is not a loophole.

00:40:52.000 It's just that some people don't have the same deductions as others.

00:40:55.000 That's just a fact of life, right?

00:40:56.000 Some people have a mortgage deduction.

00:40:58.000 Some people don't have a mortgage deduction.

00:40:59.000 If you rent, you don't have a mortgage deduction.

00:41:01.000 Does the person with the mortgage deduction have a tax loophole?

00:41:04.000 No, that's called a mortgage deduction.

00:41:06.000 Amazon uses whatever deductions are available to it.

00:41:08.000 As far as the idea that taxing businesses is bad for the economy, of course that's true, which is why one of the most fascinating things about the Nordic countries that the left so loves is that their corporate tax rates have generally been lower than America's corporate tax rates, which is why they can still support this massive social welfare state, despite the fact that they have high personal income.

00:41:26.000 Businesses are still willing to invest over there because businesses can still make a profit over there.

00:41:35.000 The Indiana Senate just passed a hate crimes law, which is significant because Indiana is one of five states that has no hate crimes law.

00:41:42.000 But the law has raised a considerable amount of controversy because the Republican senators stripped away specifically protected characteristics from the law. 0.97

00:41:49.000 So I think hate crimes laws are garbage. 0.91

00:41:50.000 I don't see a rationale for them. 0.94

00:41:52.000 the hate crimes law allows a judge to determine the bias of a crime more generally as you can imagine my cheery co-workers at npr along with all forms of press in indiana and all the democrats in the state are furious that specific characteristics in the bill are not mentioned everyone is painting the republicans as foolish weak and parochial what is your take on hate crimes laws so i think hate crimes laws are garbage i don't see a rationale for them every crime is motivated by a certain level of hate and i don't see why we should punish certain levels of hate more than we punish other levels of hate

00:42:18.000 You're not, in fact, creating an impetus for people not to be hateful simply because there are hate crimes laws on the books.

00:42:26.000 I have seen no evidence of that.

00:42:28.000 As far as the idea that you're not going to name protected classes, I assume the reason you're not naming protected classes is because you don't want people filing hate crimes legislation against you if you have, for example, a religious bakery that says, I don't want to cater this same-sex wedding. 0.97

00:42:40.000 And then someone says, oh, well, that's a hate crime.

00:42:43.000 Or you're a business, and you don't hire a transgender person because you're a religious day school.

00:42:48.000 Or simply because you don't want to hire a transgender person for a makeup job or something. 1.00

00:42:53.000 You should be able to associate with whomever you want, and if people want to react to that by boycotting you, that's their problem.

00:42:58.000 They're not associating with you.

00:43:00.000 That's their problem as well.

00:43:03.000 The notion of hate crimes laws, the thought policing of hate crimes laws, is deeply counterintuitive to basic American freedoms.

00:43:09.000 And again, that's not in favor of hate or in favor of crime.

00:43:12.000 It is in favor of a government that polices action and not thought.

00:43:18.000 Well, I'm a big musicals fan, so the ones who come to mind are folks like Cole Porter.

00:43:24.000 Oscar Hammerstein is tremendously underrated.

00:43:26.000 Stephen Sondheim, of course.

00:43:28.000 As far as sort of other lyricists, Johnny Mercer is a fantastic, fantastic lyricist.

00:43:33.000 But again, I favor some of the old lyricists.

00:43:35.000 I don't think any of the new lyricists do anything of a real import, to be frank.

00:43:39.000 Zachary says, I've recently watched The Best of Enemies, the documentary about the debates between Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley during the 68 election.

00:43:46.000 Given that you're a conservative like Buckley, if a similar documentary were to be made about politics today, who would be your Gore Vidal?

00:43:51.000 Well, I mean, the problem is that most folks who are prominent on the left are not interested in actually having discussions.

00:43:58.000 So it's difficult to find a Gore Vidal.

00:44:00.000 I mean, at least in 68, Buckley and Vidal would get on set together and then argue with one another.

00:44:05.000 It's difficult to get people to do that on a repeat basis these days.

00:44:09.000 There are people with whom I disagree, with whom I am very friendly.

00:44:12.000 I mean, Eric Weinstein is the person who comes to mind.

00:44:14.000 He and I are very friendly.

00:44:15.000 And he and I disagree on a lot of stuff politically oriented.

00:44:18.000 But as far as being just a screed-driven, non-facts-based person, Gore Vidal is pretty indicative of the left.

00:44:25.000 I think there are plenty of folks like Gore Vidal.

00:44:26.000 I think there are very few like William Buckley.

00:44:28.000 Charles says, Hey Ben, can you explain the difference between a kippah and a yarmulke? 0.94

00:44:32.000 Is there a religious significance to using one word instead of the other?

00:44:35.000 The only difference is that kippah is in Hebrew and yarmulke is in Yiddish.

00:44:38.000 That's the only difference.

00:44:39.000 So typically speaking, the way that Orthodox Jews tend to, we tend to speak Hebrew more than Yiddish these days.

00:44:46.000 Although it depends.

00:44:47.000 I mean, if you're in the Hasidic community, I assume that people use the word yarmulke more often.

00:44:52.000 In my Orthodox community, virtually everyone calls it a kippah, not a yarmulke.

00:44:56.000 In conservative and reform communities, the word yarmulke tends to be used a little more frequently.

00:45:01.000 Ashley says, As you may know, the Missouri House of Representatives has perfected and passed the most restrictive pro-life bills in the country.

00:45:07.000 I work as a legislative chief of staff for a state rep that supports this legislation.

00:45:10.000 Per usual, reps are in support of this, and they're receiving a ton of emails in opposition.

00:45:15.000 But one of them stuck out to me because this person claims that anti-abortion laws are anti-Semitic.

00:45:19.000 Please help me understand her reasoning.

00:45:20.000 Below is part of the email.

00:45:22.000 Just so you know, abortion restrictions and bans are anti-Semitic.

00:45:24.000 Judaism doesn't believe in the whole life begins at conception.

00:45:27.000 Well, not according to Rabbi Moshe Feinstein.

00:45:29.000 Not according to Aharon Lichtenstein.

00:45:32.000 These are all Orthodox, very, very prominent rabbis of the last century.

00:45:36.000 The basic Jewish position is that abortion is the taking of a human life and is unjustifiable except in cases in which the mother's life is in danger.

00:45:44.000 Now, there may be dispensations that are given by individual rabbis for a variety of individual reasons.

00:45:48.000 Those are called heters.

00:45:49.000 But the basic rule is the rule that I just stated.

00:45:52.000 And as far as the notion that in the Talmud it suggests that the fetus is quote-unquote like water for the first 40 days, Moshe Feinstein, who's an actual posaic, a person who gives halachic judgment, Jewish law judgment,

00:46:07.000 Has said from what I've heard anyway that that judgment is meant to reflect Simply the the status the sort of purity status of the woman if she were to lose the baby at that point that it doesn't count As a miscarriage at that point for purposes of purity that doesn't mean you can have an abortion There are no Orthodox rabbis of whom I know who believe that abortion on demand is a thing none and by the way I find it highly ironic that When people who are pro-choice suddenly start citing rabbis as their rationale for why the law should be pro-choice.

00:46:36.000 What happened to your theocracy complaints? 0.98

00:46:38.000 What happened to your whole, we shouldn't listen to these religious crazy people. 1.00

00:46:41.000 Let's listen to these other religious crazy people. 0.99

00:46:44.000 What happened? 0.99

00:46:46.000 Why is it that we should defer to the rabbis? 0.87

00:46:47.000 I thought that you guys don't want to defer to anybody religious.

00:46:50.000 Weird.

00:46:51.000 Brian says, Hi Ben, I'm a veteran and my main incentive for serving was the GI Bill.

00:46:55.000 Many people are advocating for free college.

00:46:56.000 What do you think the effect would be on a volunteer-only military if we take the GI Bill off the table because we offer free school to everyone?

00:47:02.000 This is a great question.

00:47:03.000 I mean, obviously, some incentive for some people to join the military is the capacity to have their college paid for.

00:47:08.000 If everybody is getting free college, I assume that recruitment would drop.

00:47:12.000 Again, you're removing an incentive.

00:47:14.000 That's a real concern.

00:47:17.000 Ishe says, Hi Ben, I'm confused with the current talk by AOC on the Green New Deal.

00:47:22.000 I thought her camp basically took down the document and the frequently asked questions, claiming it was a draft in the end.

00:47:26.000 However, I do not see a new one.

00:47:27.000 So are they pushing the draft?

00:47:28.000 Or are they playing if you say something enough, people will believe it without ever putting up a supposedly final draft?

00:47:33.000 Love the show.

00:47:33.000 Well, this is obviously true.

00:47:34.000 It was not a first draft.

00:47:36.000 It was a final draft.

00:47:36.000 It was put up.

00:47:37.000 It was idiotic. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Everybody made fun of it. 1.00

00:47:39.000 AOC pretended that she had been victimized by her own staff.

00:47:42.000 There was no new draft put up.

00:47:43.000 I pointed this out literally the day this happened when AOC suggested That it was a first draft.

00:47:48.000 I said, okay, so where's the final one?

00:47:50.000 Like, if I posted a draft on a website of an article that a final draft existed, and I found out about it, we'd immediately take down the first and put up the second.

00:47:58.000 This would not be difficult.

00:47:59.000 But there is no new draft, because it's all bullcrap. 0.98

00:48:01.000 AOC absolutely meant what she said in that ridiculous Green New Deal document. 0.93

00:48:06.000 Sean says, Hi Ben, huge fan.

00:48:08.000 Pence Shapiro 2024.

00:48:10.000 My question regards the death penalty.

00:48:11.000 As a pro-life conservative, I often find myself debating others on the right regarding the death penalty.

00:48:15.000 Being pro-life, I believe, as in the Well, that's not moral relativism.

00:48:19.000 Moral relativism is the belief that there is no such thing as evil.

00:48:21.000 Moral relativism is the idea that in any given situation, there is no better choice and no worse choice.

00:48:25.000 resort to moral relativism, the left-wing belief, where I hear phrases such as, well, these people are evil, so they don't deserve to live.

00:48:29.000 Well, that's not moral relativism.

00:48:31.000 Moral relativism is the belief that there is no such thing as evil.

00:48:34.000 Moral relativism is the idea that in any given situation, there is no better choice and no worse choice.

00:48:39.000 All choices are equally justifiable and equally moral, depending on your perspective.

00:48:43.000 It's not moral relativism to say that a person who murders babies should be put to death, but a baby should not be put to death.

00:48:49.000 That's not moral relativism.

00:48:50.000 That's saying that people are responsible for their actions.

00:48:53.000 The best argument against the death penalty is that it is unequally applied, that it is applied after too long, that there's a possibility of making mistakes.

00:49:00.000 Those are all good arguments against the death penalty.

00:49:02.000 The principled argument that you should not execute anyone for any reason is something with which I heartily disagree.

00:49:07.000 If somebody rapes and murders a five-year-old, that person shouldn't just die. 0.99

00:49:10.000 That person should be put to death seven times and then burn in hell for eternity. 0.99

00:49:13.000 Benjamin says, Ben, often you guys at the Daily Wire complain about the double standards on the left. 0.99

00:49:18.000 What are the conservative double standards we need to be careful of?

00:49:21.000 Well, I mean, obviously there are people on the right who are willing to justify behavior by President Trump.

00:49:25.000 They would never, they would never justify if that behavior were on the left.

00:49:29.000 That is the most obvious.

00:49:30.000 There are also certain I would say that on the right, there's a certain willingness to engage in an affirmative action belief that we ought to give more value to certain opinions because of the speaker, which is something I generally disagree with.

00:49:44.000 The identity of the speaker should bear no relevance to the efficacy or use of what the person is saying.

00:49:50.000 There are people on the right who, again, will change their standards of objectivity when it comes to folks on the left.

00:49:58.000 Those are the ones that come to mind.

00:49:59.000 I'm sure I could come up with ten more.

00:50:00.000 I think that political partisanship, as I've said before, is a hell of a drug.

00:50:04.000 And I think that people are willing to blind themselves to basic double standards out of lack of ability to comprehend cognitive dissonance.

00:50:13.000 Let's see.

00:50:14.000 One more.

00:50:17.000 Linda says, Hi from Australia.

00:50:18.000 Can you do a Jordan Peterson impersonation?

00:50:21.000 Actually, I did one.

00:50:21.000 I went to a Jordan event in L.A.

00:50:24.000 He and Dave Rubin invited me to stop by, and I did a little bit of a Jordan Peterson impersonation.

00:50:28.000 It was more in content than in style, but I walked on stage and I presented Dave Rubin with a cupcake because there was this big controversy over whether I would bake a cake for Dave Rubin's wedding.

00:50:39.000 As a religious Jew, the answer is no. 0.98

00:50:40.000 Dave is gay. 0.99

00:50:41.000 I'm not going to participate in a same-sex wedding. 1.00

00:50:43.000 Am I willing to bake a cupcake Or a cake for Dave?

00:50:46.000 Sure.

00:50:46.000 I love Dave.

00:50:47.000 Dave's great.

00:50:47.000 He's my friend.

00:50:48.000 Why wouldn't I bake a cake for him?

00:50:49.000 So I brought a cake on stage.

00:50:50.000 A cupcake on stage.

00:50:52.000 And then I said that I had also brought a cake for Jordan Peterson.

00:50:56.000 But it was a metaphorical cake.

00:50:58.000 It was so bloody metaphorical.

00:51:00.000 That's the importance of the cake.

00:51:02.000 What you have to understand is that a real cake is instantiated with work and a reality that doesn't really reflect the underlying hardship of life.

00:51:11.000 Cakes are too sweet.

00:51:13.000 They don't really take into account how difficult and bloody important life is.

00:51:19.000 Life is about struggle.

00:51:21.000 Life is about understanding that we work and then we die, but the work is what's truly important.

00:51:27.000 And that's why a metaphorical cake is so good.

00:51:29.000 Until you understand the struggle of the metaphorical cake, you don't deserve the real cake.

00:51:35.000 That's more of a content Jordan Peterson impersonation.

00:51:37.000 I can't really do the accent.

00:51:38.000 I'm not great with Canadian accents.

00:51:40.000 I mean, I'm not great with any of my impersonations.

00:51:41.000 Let's be frank about this.

00:51:43.000 Some of them are slightly better than mediocre.

00:51:45.000 My Obama is pretty good, but my Jordan is not great. 0.99

00:51:48.000 The content, though, is not terrible.

00:51:50.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I like.

00:51:52.000 So, thing I like number one.

00:51:54.000 So, my sister, Abigail Roth, opened CPAC today.

00:51:58.000 And forget your politics, whatever your politics are.

00:52:01.000 She is an immensely talented human being.

00:52:03.000 Here she was singing the Star-Spangled Banner to open CPAC this morning.

00:52:08.000 O say can you see, by the dawn's early light, What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?

00:52:33.000 Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight So Abbey is immensely talented, obviously. 1.00

00:52:51.000 She went to the Metropolitan School of Opera on scholarship.

00:52:55.000 She had a full scholarship, full ride at USC in opera.

00:52:59.000 She's an incredibly talented human being.

00:53:00.000 You can follow her on Twitter, at ClassicallyAbbey, and she does all sorts of kind of makeup videos and classical music stuff, and she really is an incredibly talented person.

00:53:09.000 So you should go check that out.

00:53:10.000 Speaking of incredibly talented people, Sadly, Andre Previn passed away yesterday.

00:53:14.000 Andre Previn is one of the most talented people of the 20th and 21st centuries.

00:53:18.000 He was a pianist, a conductor, a composer, and he really started early.

00:53:24.000 I mean, he was already working for the Hollywood studios while he was in high school and arranging music.

00:53:29.000 He was a composer-conductor for MGM when he was 18 years old.

00:53:34.000 He had an amazing career in classical music.

00:53:38.000 He was responsible for arranging some of the great MGM pictures of all time, among them, I believe, American in Paris.

00:53:44.000 Here is Andre Previn playing and conducting Rhapsody in Blue.

00:53:48.000 Rhapsody

00:54:18.000 in Blue Incredibly talented guy.

00:54:32.000 He won four Academy Awards.

00:54:34.000 He scored Gigi in 1958.

00:54:36.000 He scored Porgy and Bess in 1959.

00:54:38.000 You're not allowed to mention Porgy and Bess anymore because it's very bad.

00:54:42.000 Even though it's one of the great works of American art of all time by George Gershwin, we're not allowed to mention Porgy and Bess because it has to do with race.

00:54:48.000 And then he also won best score for Irma La...

00:54:52.000 Adaptation or treatment for Irma LaDuce and also for 1964's My Fair Lady, immensely talented human being and also a terrific composer.

00:54:59.000 So you can go check out a lot of Andre Previn's work on YouTube.

00:55:03.000 Go check it out in tribute to him today.

00:55:05.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:55:08.000 I hate. 0.97

00:55:12.000 So final word on the excreble Ilhan Omar, who truly deserves the accolade. 1.00

00:55:15.000 Now, I've called Michael Knowles excreble in joke, in jest. 0.99

00:55:19.000 Ilhan Omar is truly an excreble human being. 0.98

00:55:20.000 She proved that today when she said that she would not recognize the interim president of Venezuela. 0.97

00:55:25.000 So just to get this straight, she's very much against Israeli dictatorship and Trump's dictatorship, but actual dictators who slaughter people in the streets and also make sure their citizens eat dogs, those people should remain, according to Ilhan Omar, at least in Venezuela.

00:55:39.000 We are threatening intervention.

00:55:40.000 We're sending humanitarian aid that is in the guise of, you know, eventually invading this country and the people of the country do not want us there.

00:55:51.000 You don't support, like your fellow Democrats and like the US government does and the Canadian government does, you don't support the leader of the opposition as being the president right now, not President Maduro?

00:56:00.000 Absolutely not.

00:56:01.000 Absolutely not.

00:56:02.000 So, by the way, this is a lie that the United States is on the verge of military intervention in Venezuela.

00:56:07.000 One of the reasons that people are recognizing Juan Guaido is to create an incentive for Maduro to leave.

00:56:12.000 She is siding against that because she thinks America is a nefarious force in the world. 0.97

00:56:16.000 Because she believes that Maduro is more legitimate, apparently, than Guaido.

00:56:21.000 So she'd prefer that pressure not be applied to Maduro.

00:56:25.000 She'd prefer that everything just be left alone.

00:56:28.000 But we're supposed to believe that this fresh face of the American Congress is supposed to be good for the country?

00:56:33.000 That she's good for American principles?

00:56:35.000 Sure, sure.

00:56:36.000 But don't worry, the Democrats aren't extreme in any way.

00:56:38.000 All righty, we'll be back here later today for two more hours.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 01, 2019

We Didn’t Start The Fire | Ep. 728

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