The Ben Shapiro Show - August 12, 2026


What Happens to Fauci Now

Topics
Fauci prosecution and investigation
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Ben Shapiro
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Anthony Fauci Joe Biden James Suthermeyer James Uthmeyer Pure Talk
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Length

7 minutes

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190.55

Word count

1,445

Sentence count

110


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00:00:00 Anthony Fauci has already been indicted in the court of public opinion.
00:00:02 Americans are mad about the lockdowns, the masking, the vaxes, the social distancing, all of it.
00:00:07 And listen, they have a right to be.
00:00:08 Nothing has impacted our lives as profoundly as the pandemic did in the recent past.
00:00:12 Anthony Fauci was at the center of all of it.
00:00:15 The real question will always be whether or not Fauci and the scientific establishment will actually be held accountable for their handling of the COVID pandemic.
00:00:22 Florida Attorney General James Uthmeyer joins us now to discuss how the states can still prosecute Fauci despite President Biden's auto pen pardon.
00:00:29 Let's dive in.
00:00:30 James, thanks so much for the time.
00:00:31 Really appreciate it.
00:00:32 Glad to be here.
00:00:33 Thank you.
00:00:34 So, obviously, a lot of focus on Anthony Fauci and him taking the fifth before the federal government.
00:00:39 A lot of controversy over whether he can actually do that in front of the federal government, considering he received a federal pardon from Joe Biden.
00:00:46 But a federal pardon does not free you of state charges.
00:00:48 What are the kinds of things you're considering as Florida AG with regard to Anthony Fauci?
00:00:54 Sure.
00:00:54 Well, we delivered a subpoena to Anthony Fauci last week, really seeking anything and everything.
00:01:01 We have a lot of unanswered questions.
00:01:04 Obviously, there have been revelations over the last couple of weeks that he privately questioned the safety and efficacy of the so called medical treatment that he was pushing on the American people.
00:01:16 Central to our subpoena is looking at possible self dealing, personal gain.
00:01:22 Government officials rightly have a lot of immunities when they're doing their job, but there's evidence to suggest that Dr. Fauci was privately interested in book deals, in fortune, fame, awards with monetary prizes.
00:01:36 That goes outside of the realm.
00:01:39 Of a typical government official work and salary.
00:01:42 And this could be evidence that his deception, which hurt a lot of people, resulted in personal gain.
00:01:48 So we're looking at anything civil, criminal, anything under Florida law, we are going to investigate and seek accountability.
00:01:55 Attorney General, what did you make of Fauci taking the fifth?
00:01:58 Obviously, his claim when he took the fifth was that he was basically trying to immunize himself from the possibility of prosecution at the state level by the fact that the state of Florida is now looking into him.
00:02:07 Does that justify his claims at all?
00:02:09 Well, I think you said it right that the pardon itself has questionable legal authority.
00:02:15 Who knows what President Biden actually knew was taking place?
00:02:20 And if there is an auto pen without proper agency, there could be issues.
00:02:24 But, you know, we were certainly alarmed by his lack of candor before Congress, his inability to answer questions.
00:02:31 All of that occurred simultaneously with new evidence that he did doubt the very mRNA jabs that he was pushing.
00:02:40 So the federal pardon will not.
00:02:42 Give him immunity from state issues.
00:02:45 We've got a lot of evidence to go through and collect.
00:02:47 It's too early to talk about legal theories or violations of Florida law, but his Fifth Amendment claims certainly got our attention.
00:02:56 What does he have to hide?
00:02:58 We now see more and more coming out that shows that there was dishonesty.
00:03:02 He lied to the American people.
00:03:04 People suffered across this country, including here in Florida.
00:03:07 And if there is liability, his federal pardon will not apply.
00:03:12 Now, you mentioned that it could take a while to go through all the materials that you guys are subpoenaing and everything else.
00:03:17 What do you think is sort of a broad timeline for people to expect some sort of investigative results here?
00:03:23 Again, it's hard to speculate.
00:03:25 We've got thousands and thousands of text messages, voicemails, emails that we need to go through.
00:03:31 We need to be thorough.
00:03:32 We need to make sure that we're crossing our T's, dotting our I's, that we're properly building the evidence for a court of law if it gets to that point.
00:03:41 So we're probably talking months, not days, but I've got my best attorneys on it.
00:03:46 All hands on deck.
00:03:47 We understand how important it is to the American people to get answers and seek accountability.
00:03:53 So we will make it a top priority for our office.
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00:04:54 Now, putting aside, obviously, the legal questions, which are going to come to light as you go through the investigation, the materials, just on a sort of generic political level.
00:05:01 You've seen a lot of revelations from his emails, from his diaries, from his texts, much of that in the public view.
00:05:06 So, of what has been put into the public view so far, what do you think Americans should be most troubled about?
00:05:12 Well, I mean, we've only gone through a handful of texts at this point, and we've already seen evidence that he personally doubted whether or not these vaccines should be administered to pregnant women.
00:05:24 There was evidence and concern that it could lead to miscarriages.
00:05:28 But that concern was never made public.
00:05:31 Women were not put on notice.
00:05:33 There are risks for possible complications with your pregnancies.
00:05:37 And we've seen data to suggest that miscarriages went up during this timeframe.
00:05:43 So there's a lot of women out there that are rightfully very, very upset.
00:05:47 Nothing is going to make them whole or perhaps bring back the baby they lost.
00:05:52 But I think what we see is continued evidence of dishonesty.
00:05:56 So there was clearly something wrong that happened here, whether it rises to the evidentiary level of a crime or civil liability.
00:06:03 Is a question that still has to be answered, but we are going to be diligent.
00:06:07 We will use every tool we have.
00:06:10 We will most certainly do everything we can to seek accountability for Americans and Floridians, especially.
00:06:16 Now, are you aware, Attorney General, of any other similar prosecutorial efforts that are taking place in other states?
00:06:20 Because obviously he was a national politician with national scope and effect to his decision making.
00:06:26 Yes, I've talked to several other attorneys general.
00:06:28 I know there's at least two or three that are already conducting their own inquiries.
00:06:34 We will work together with anybody that wants to.
00:06:37 Prosecute this case with us.
00:06:39 I know Dr. Fauci was, you know, he was subpoenaed and questioned in other states and other legal matters going back years.
00:06:49 And now new evidence could show possible contradictions or impact those prior proceedings.
00:06:56 I've only been on the job here about a year and a half.
00:06:58 So we're still coming up to the speed with everything that other states did on this topic.
00:07:03 But most certainly, this was a countrywide deception.
00:07:08 Perhaps the greatest deception against the United States of America that we have ever seen.
00:07:13 So, we're going to work with any other state official, especially our great attorneys general, to get to the bottom of it.
00:07:19 That's Attorney General James Suthermeyer of the State of Florida.
00:07:21 Attorney General, thanks so much for the time.
00:07:22 Really appreciate it.
00:07:23 Thank you for having me.
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