The Ben Shapiro Show - What If There Are No Good Answers? | Ep. 1054

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00:01:47.000 Okay, so, big news continues to be the spread of coronavirus across the nation.

00:01:51.000 On a day-to-day level, the deaths seem to be somewhat stable.

00:01:54.000 We've seen around a thousand deaths for the last three days, as well as a lot of last week.

00:01:58.000 We have seen hospitalizations starting to slightly decline in some places like Texas and Arizona, so it's possible that we've already hit peak there.

00:02:06.000 In Florida, doesn't look like they've hit peak yet.

00:02:08.000 Hospital capacity is not being threatened so far as I can tell from the statistics in places like Florida or Texas or Arizona, which means that the curve was indeed flattened, nor are we seeing the sorts of death rates that we saw in New York.

00:02:19.000 In New York, we're seeing 600 to 700 deaths every single day in New York City alone.

00:02:23.000 In Arizona and Florida and Texas and California, you're seeing on the upper end about 150 deaths a day, which obviously is tragic and horrifying.

00:02:30.000 And that number, if it were to last the entire year, would be absolutely stunning, right?

00:02:34.000 Then you would see 35,000 deaths in a lot of these places.

00:02:38.000 But we have not reached New York epidemic levels as of yet.

00:02:41.000 So the media continue to focus in on the fact that this thing is spreading uncontrolled across the country.

00:02:45.000 I mean, the fact is, the number of positive cases continues to increase.

00:02:45.000 And that is true.

00:02:48.000 Yesterday, the U.S.

00:02:49.000 shattered its single-day record for new cases with more than 75,600 cases.

00:02:54.000 According to the New York Times, this was the 11th time in the past month that the record has been broken.

00:02:58.000 The number has more than doubled since June 24th, when the country registered 37,014 cases after a lull in the outbreak had kept the previous record, 36,738, standing for two months.

00:03:09.000 In reality, is it possible we saw many, many more infections like this in the early stages?

00:03:13.000 Absolutely.

00:03:14.000 But testing was not ramped up to nearly the extent that it is now.

00:03:17.000 So it's quite possible that, for example, the death rates were exactly the same today as they were back during the New York days.

00:03:22.000 It's just that the testing capacity was not nearly what it was.

00:03:25.000 So the denominator in the deaths over infections rate was just not correct.

00:03:30.000 It's possible the denominator was way larger than it was originally purported to be.

00:03:35.000 The previous single-day record, 68,241 cases, was announced last Friday.

00:03:40.000 Thursday's record included more than 5,000 cases in Bexar County, Texas, which contains San Antonio.

00:03:44.000 There was a backlog in test reporting.

00:03:46.000 One of the weird things about the stats here is there are these backlogs that sometimes get reported late, so you'll see occasionally a very odd day where a huge number of deaths are tallied.

00:03:55.000 And you're like, whoa, did just a bunch of people die that day?

00:03:57.000 It's like, no, that's a backlog and that's being reported.

00:03:59.000 Now, you're seeing this with some of the cases that are being reported.

00:04:01.000 You're also seeing cases Where possible, COVID is being reported as probable or real COVID.

00:04:06.000 You've seen cases in Florida where hospitals are reporting only positive results, which ticks up the percent positive rate.

00:04:13.000 Now, does any of this change the underlying narrative that COVID is actually quite prevalent across the country and is apparently rising in terms of case number?

00:04:20.000 No, of course that's true.

00:04:21.000 The question at this point is, number one, does it overwhelm the healthcare system?

00:04:25.000 And number two, are we actually seeing a declining rate of death?

00:04:28.000 Now again, a declining rate of death with heavy levels of infection is still very dangerous.

00:04:32.000 Let's say that this thing had a 0.2 death rate, about twice as deadly as the flu.

00:04:37.000 Let's say that that was the actual death rate on this thing.

00:04:39.000 And let's say that it's three times as infectious as the flu.

00:04:42.000 Well then you're talking about something that will end up with six times as many deaths.

00:04:45.000 It's three times as infectious, it's twice as deadly as the flu, and so you end up with 250,000 deaths.

00:04:50.000 That's a horrifying, horrifying thing.

00:04:52.000 But the bottom line to all of this is that nobody knows anything.

00:04:55.000 And one of the narratives the media seems to be driving is that we know the answer to this.

00:04:59.000 We know the answer to this.

00:05:01.000 And when everyone else points to the fact that nobody really knows the answer to this, that we've seen the same policies adopted by Democrats and Republicans in different states to different outcomes, that Georgia opened the exact same time as Colorado.

00:05:13.000 Colorado has seen a 40% decline in cases, while Georgia has seen a 200% increase in cases.

00:05:18.000 And they pursued the exact same policy at the exact same time.

00:05:21.000 Well, that says we don't understand the virus very much.

00:05:23.000 We don't know the dynamics of the virus very much.

00:05:26.000 When people in the media Point two, lockdowns work.

00:05:29.000 And then you say, well, hold up.

00:05:30.000 California never really let out a lockdown.

00:05:32.000 And California is one of the states that is spiking right now.

00:05:36.000 There seems to be no counter to that.

00:05:38.000 The media, because they are seeking Epistemic closure here because they are looking for a scientific model where they can say follow the science and if you disagree with us, you're not following the science because the media are doing this.

00:05:49.000 They're neglecting the fact that there are no great answers here.

00:05:51.000 There just aren't.

00:05:53.000 They keep pointing at New York.

00:05:54.000 New York's doing great.

00:05:54.000 Look at New York.

00:05:55.000 34,000 people died in New York.

00:05:59.000 It is possible that there are antibodies in like 50 to 60 percent of certain populations in New York because the thing ran roughshod through the population.

00:06:07.000 So comparing New York where they had a massive wave where everybody got infected with Texas or Florida where there was no massive first wave and they're now experiencing a first wave of cases is utterly foolhardy.

00:06:16.000 The same thing is true when it comes to a wide variety of issues.

00:06:20.000 For example, let's talk about masking for a second.

00:06:22.000 So I have said many, many times that out of an abundance of caution, I'm in favor of masking.

00:06:27.000 That if you're in a crowded place, it seems to me that the least you can do is put on a mask when you go into the Walmart.

00:06:32.000 I think it's a good idea.

00:06:33.000 I think it's a smart idea.

00:06:35.000 And if it's not 100% foolproof, but it's better than nothing, and if a lot of people do it, then you're reducing risk through a herd adoption of a measure that lowers risk by a certain percentage that we don't actually know.

00:06:47.000 But let's be real about this.

00:06:48.000 The evidence on masks is fairly divisive.

00:06:52.000 Up until the last five minutes, the WHO suggested that if you were asymptomatic, you should not be wearing a mask.

00:06:56.000 In fact, I believe the WHO still holds to that standard.

00:06:59.000 And in fact, there are many countries that have done just fine with this thing that have not really done the masking thing.

00:07:05.000 In fact, for example, there is a there's a chart showing whether Europeans are wearing masks.

00:07:11.000 This was done just a couple of weeks ago.

00:07:14.000 YouGov asked European citizens if they would wear a mask in public places.

00:07:16.000 And what you can see in the chart is that under 10 percent of people from Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden say they would wear a mask in public places.

00:07:26.000 That's not just Sweden, right?

00:07:27.000 I mean, that's Denmark and Finland and Norway as well.

00:07:30.000 Meanwhile, you got 85% of the population in places like Italy saying they would wear a mask and Italy just got creamed. 0.58

00:07:37.000 You've got other countries, like Spain, that have an uptick in the number of people who say that they would wear a mask.

00:07:42.000 And you've got the UK, where a huge number of people say they would wear a mask.

00:07:45.000 Those places have been really, really hard hit.

00:07:47.000 So if it's just about the mask wearing, then why is it that some countries that have been really hard hit didn't do the masking, and some countries that did do the mask wearing have been really hard hit?

00:07:55.000 Like, what exactly is happening here?

00:07:57.000 And the answer is, nobody really knows anything.

00:08:00.000 We're now four months into lockdown, and revised lockdown in the United States, and people still don't know anything.

00:08:07.000 Jim Garrity at National Review points this out.

00:08:09.000 He points out that the most common strain of COVID-19 in the U.S.

00:08:13.000 right now is extremely contagious and will prove difficult to contain even with wider and more consistent adoption of best practices.

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00:09:29.000 Okay, so as Jim Garrity points out, a study released last month by the Scripps Research Institute concluded that the strains of the virus spreading so quickly in Europe and the U.S.

00:09:37.000 have a mutated S-spike protein that makes them about 10 times as infectious as the strain initially identified in Asia.

00:09:42.000 So now you're comparing apples to oranges when you say, why isn't this thing spreading in Hong Kong or Taiwan the same way that it spread in the United States or Europe?

00:09:49.000 Because it ain't exactly the same virus, as it turns out.

00:09:51.000 If it seems like the U.S.

00:09:52.000 is having a tougher time controlling the spread of coronavirus than Asian countries did in winter and early spring, that's partially because this version of the virus is tougher to stop from spreading.

00:10:01.000 More and more researchers, says Jim Garrity, are contending that SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, is airborne, meaning it is not merely being dispersed by the bodily fluids of those who have it, but also floating about in aerosolized form.

00:10:12.000 It's also possible the virus is not truly aerosolized, but it's floating in tiny droplets so light and small they can easily be carried long distances by air currents.

00:10:20.000 The European Center for Disease Prevention and the World Health Organization are now taking the aerosolized possibility seriously and with good reason.

00:10:26.000 An aerosolized virus would mean most of our current pandemic control policies, like remaining six feet apart, are not enough by themselves to prevent contraction of the virus.

00:10:35.000 As Jim Garrity says, the scale and complexity of the problem should not be understated.

00:10:39.000 The country enacted unprecedented sweeping lockdowns that kept most Americans at home at great cost to the economy.

00:10:44.000 The lockdown slowed the spread.

00:10:45.000 They didn't stop it.

00:10:46.000 Preventing more infections is not just a matter of convincing the president to wear a mask consistently or shutting down beaches or subways or requiring quarantines for those who travel between states.

00:10:55.000 At every level of government, the response to the virus has met with mixed success.

00:10:58.000 But it's important to recognize no one is ignoring any simple or easy solutions because the solutions do not exist.

00:11:04.000 Now, one thing that is true is that the death rate has been dropping fairly dramatically.

00:11:07.000 The CDC currently estimates the death rate at between 0.6 and 0.7 percent, about seven times as deadly as the flu.

00:11:13.000 A new study puts it between 0.5 and 0.8.

00:11:15.000 If there are a lot of asymptomatic or unconfirmed cases, that means it could be 0.2.

00:11:19.000 But as I say, even a 0.2 fatality rate with half of the American population adopting the virus would mean a lot of dead people.

00:11:27.000 So we will see whether there is a big spike here.

00:11:29.000 Maybe not.

00:11:30.000 But the bottom line is that everybody who's sort of counting on a vaccine to save us, that is not a strategy either.

00:11:36.000 And the fact is that if we rush out a vaccine and it's no good, then it's no good.

00:11:41.000 It's also possible that a vaccine that is truly effective and mass-produced and mass-adopted won't happen until mid-time next year, even in the most optimistic scenarios.

00:11:50.000 So the notion that you're just going to be able to sort of sit around and wait for good things to happen, just stay at home and wait for good things to happen, that's not true either.

00:11:57.000 The reason I'm pointing all of this out is because this is all hard stuff.

00:12:00.000 This is all hard stuff.

00:12:02.000 I'm looking right now.

00:12:03.000 at a list from Worldometers, which compiles data from Johns Hopkins University, about COVID-19 deaths. And I'm going to give you the states that have the highest rate of deaths for 1 million population right now. OK, this is the list. New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, District of Columbia, Louisiana, Michigan, Illinois, then Maryland, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Mississippi, Indiana, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, New Hampshire, Minnesota, New Mexico, Ohio, Alabama, Iowa, Virginia, Florida. Right.

00:12:31.000 Florida is all the way down there.

00:12:33.000 California is next on the list, by the way.

00:12:35.000 Florida, South Carolina, Nevada, California.

00:12:37.000 One thing that you will notice is if you're gonna talk about strategies that worked, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, the top nine states in terms of death per million population are all Democratic-governed.

00:12:50.000 And nearly all of them were pro-lockdown.

00:12:52.000 New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, D.C., Louisiana, Michigan.

00:12:56.000 These were all very pro-lockdown states.

00:12:59.000 Maryland is a Republican-governed state.

00:13:01.000 Larry Hogan is the governor over there.

00:13:03.000 And he's been widely praised for his response to the virus.

00:13:05.000 We've had him on the radio show.

00:13:07.000 He was pro-lockdown.

00:13:08.000 His state ranks about 10 to 15 slots above Florida in terms of the number of deaths per million.

00:13:15.000 Ohio has a higher deaths per million stat than Florida.

00:13:18.000 Now, it may not stay that way, but the notion that anyone has figured out how to solve this thing is just babbly-bloony.

00:13:22.000 Like, there is no evidence that anyone has come up with the silver bullet on how to deal with COVID-19.

00:13:27.000 So when you hear people screaming to the sky, Ron DeSantis, Greg Abbott, lockdowns, no lockdowns, science!

00:13:33.000 Understand, nobody knows anything.

00:13:35.000 Here's the thing.

00:13:36.000 There are no experts on an unprecedented disease.

00:13:39.000 There are experts on disease generally, but there are not experts on this disease, which means that there's going to be a lot of conflicting evidence from experts.

00:13:46.000 You can get Scott Atlas on the one hand saying, I'm not sure that masks are supremely useful.

00:13:49.000 You can get Dr. Fauci saying masks aren't useful, and then masks are useful.

00:13:53.000 You can get Fauci saying at one point, I'm not sure we can go back into full scale lockdown.

00:13:56.000 And then you can have Fauci saying, well, we never should have let out a lockdown in the first place.

00:13:59.000 If you just look at the statements of Fauci, who, by the way, I think is doing his best, just like everybody else in this situation.

00:14:04.000 Fauci's statements contradict each other fairly regularly.

00:14:07.000 Because again, no one knows anything.

00:14:09.000 So when you see the media trotting out this level of epistemic certainty, we know how to solve... No, you don't know how to solve this.

00:14:16.000 You don't.

00:14:18.000 Again, this is true on masks.

00:14:20.000 It is true on social distancing.

00:14:21.000 It is true on whether this is aerosolized.

00:14:23.000 It is true on whether kids should be in schools.

00:14:25.000 On the one hand, you've got a fair bit of evidence that kids are not infecting their parents.

00:14:29.000 There's good evidence from Iceland that this is the case.

00:14:31.000 There's good evidence from China that this is the case.

00:14:32.000 On the other hand, you saw a vast outbreak in Israel when they reopened the schools.

00:14:36.000 Now, it turns out when they reopened the schools, it's quite possible one of the things that happened Is that a reason to keep schools closed?

00:14:41.000 infected the other adults.

00:14:42.000 Kids are getting the infection, they're not dying from the infection.

00:14:45.000 A lot of kids can get it.

00:14:46.000 If they don't die from it, that's not that bad.

00:14:48.000 The problem is if they pass it on to their parents, that's what happened in Israel.

00:14:52.000 Kids gave it to each other, and then a couple of people got it, some of the adults, and then the adults started spreading it amongst themselves, particularly in religious communities.

00:15:00.000 Is that a reason to keep schools closed?

00:15:01.000 Probably not. 0.95

00:15:02.000 But the notion that there are any easy, hard and fast answers here is just very silly.

00:15:08.000 Now, I know some wrong answers here. 0.95

00:15:10.000 I know, for example, that it is a stupid answer for the New York City mayors to suggest that we're going to have mass-paid childcare, but not schools. 0.95

00:15:17.000 Like, that makes no sense at all. 1.00

00:15:18.000 Like, just on a commonsensical level, that's idiotic. 0.97

00:15:21.000 New York Mayor Bill de Blasio announced Thursday the city will provide free childcare to 100,000 students when schools reopen in September. 0.95

00:15:28.000 Last week, the city released its plan for children to return to public school classrooms one to three days a week, depending on each school's capacity for social distancing amid the coronavirus pandemic.

00:15:37.000 Students will take classes remotely on the other days.

00:15:40.000 The city aims to provide relief for working parents who either can't afford to stay home or can't find childcare for the days students aren't in school for in-person learning.

00:15:47.000 The program will serve students from age 3 through 8th grade.

00:15:50.000 There will be 50,000 available seats each day, with the idea that these seats will serve 100,000 students because of alternating in-person days at school.

00:15:57.000 The city says it's trying to identify space in schools, community centers, libraries, and elsewhere.

00:16:00.000 So basically they're going to have school, except the teachers don't have to show up and teach.

00:16:04.000 It's just a stop to the teachers union by saying, okay, so we'll keep your kid locked up in the state care facility, but the teachers won't have to show up. 0.99

00:16:10.000 So this is stupid because it's just as stupid as the anti-lockdown protests will spread COVID, but pro-George Floyd protests will not spread COVID. 0.98

00:16:18.000 And saying that childcare is not going to spread COVID, but schools are gonna, like what, the teaching spreads the COVID? 1.00

00:16:23.000 This of course is very silly. 0.97

00:16:24.000 Like there's certain things that you can see done in policy that are dumb, right? 1.00

00:16:27.000 Leaving the nursing homes open to COVID, stupid. 1.00

00:16:30.000 Opening childcare, but not school, stupid, makes no sense. 1.00

00:16:34.000 And, by the way, has some pretty dire secondary effect. 0.99

00:16:37.000 I'm amused that the New York Times, the same New York Times that's saying we need to keep the schools closed for the sake of the teachers, is also observing that, by the way, a lot of private schools are coming back and rich parents can deal with kids being home and they can homeschool them.

00:16:49.000 It's creating an actual more serious gap in education between poor and rich.

00:16:54.000 My kids have done fairly okay in terms of education being home during this time.

00:16:58.000 My six-year-old started off the pandemic reading at probably first grade level when she was in kindergarten.

00:17:04.000 And now, before she enters first grade, she's reading at third grade level, right?

00:17:07.000 She's got me at home.

00:17:07.000 She's got her mom at home.

00:17:09.000 She's got her grandparents there. 0.93

00:17:10.000 So she's been doing just great.

00:17:12.000 But what about kids who don't have that sort of support structure at home and aren't doing the Zoom classes?

00:17:17.000 What do they do?

00:17:18.000 The New York Times is recognizing this is exacerbating inequality.

00:17:21.000 At the same time, they are cheering on the closing of the schools and shouting at President Trump for saying the schools should open.

00:17:26.000 So we'll get to more of this in a second because if you believe that the media are objective and then you see the way that they weaponize uncertainty against Trump, it's pretty astonishing.

00:17:34.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:18:47.000 Okay, so the media have their narrative.

00:18:49.000 The media's narrative is that Trump is ignoring the science.

00:18:52.000 Now, there's only one problem with this, which is that Trump isn't actually ignoring the science.

00:18:55.000 Okay, Trump provided the ventilators.

00:18:56.000 There's good science to suggest that people need to go back to schools.

00:19:00.000 I know of private schools and some public schools that are looking at reopening, and they're doing their best.

00:19:05.000 I mean, it's a rough situation.

00:19:07.000 We were talking about My Kids' Perspective School, and they're going to have the kids check in, there are going to be temperature checks at the front door, they're going to be trying to socially distance the kids, they're going to have the kids stay in the room and the teachers move from room to room as opposed to having the kids move around in the hallways.

00:19:18.000 It's going to be rough.

00:19:19.000 It's going to be rough.

00:19:20.000 But the idea that the schools can remain indefinitely closed, or they can close down all of American society forever, that's just not a realistic scenario.

00:19:27.000 And everybody knows it.

00:19:28.000 Everybody understands this, except the media, which says that anything Trump says is bad.

00:19:32.000 So perfect example of media bias yesterday.

00:19:35.000 So here's the New York Times headline, okay?

00:19:37.000 The White House press secretary says science should not stand in the way of reopening schools.

00:19:42.000 Okay, so that is their actual headline.

00:19:45.000 That the science should not stand in the way.

00:19:47.000 So that makes it sound like Kayleigh McEnany, who actually is quite good at her job, that Kayleigh McEnany was saying that we should ignore the science and send kids back to school. 0.96

00:19:54.000 And this leads Rob Reiner, The director to tweet out, Donald Trump wants to murder your children.

00:20:00.000 It's like, no, you're that's that's the Demogorgon from Stranger Things, Rob. 0.72

00:20:04.000 No, Trump does not want to murder your children.

00:20:06.000 And that's also not what Kayleigh McEnany said.

00:20:08.000 Here's the actual clip of Kayleigh McEnany.

00:20:10.000 She never says at any point that we should ignore the science.

00:20:13.000 In fact, she's saying precisely the opposite.

00:20:15.000 She's saying there's plenty of science to back the idea we should open the schools.

00:20:20.000 The President has said, unmistakably, that he wants schools to open.

00:20:23.000 And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that.

00:20:25.000 And when he says open, he means open and full, kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.

00:20:31.000 The science should not stand in the way of this.

00:20:35.000 And as Dr. Scott Atlas said, I thought this was a good quote, of course we can do it.

00:20:39.000 Everyone else in the Western world, our peer nations, are doing it.

00:20:42.000 We are the outlier here.

00:20:44.000 The science is very clear on this.

00:20:46.000 Uh, that, you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA pediatric study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.

00:20:57.000 The science is on our side here.

00:20:59.000 Okay, so the science is on our side here is not the same thing as ignore the science and reopen the schools.

00:21:03.000 The media run with the actual lie.

00:21:05.000 They don't bother with the actual truth, which is that she's making a scientific case for reopening schools. 1.00

00:21:10.000 And the scientific case, by the way, is fairly strong.

00:21:12.000 The media are touting an article today by Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, who I think, you know, he's done his best during this pandemic.

00:21:18.000 The fact, again, is that the rate of death per million population in Maryland is 556 per million population.

00:21:27.000 The rate of death in Florida right now, the much maligned Florida, is 218, less than half, less than half of the death per million rate of Maryland.

00:21:37.000 Hey, the rate in a lot of Republican states, as it turns out, is really, really, Texas, right, which is much maligned Texas, 130 per million, a lot, lot lower, like four times lower than Larry Hogan's Maryland.

00:21:48.000 But according to Larry Hogan, it's all about Trump.

00:21:51.000 He has a piece in the Washington Post, and this is the nice thing about having an unpopular president.

00:21:55.000 You can always blame everything on the unpopular president.

00:21:58.000 He says, I'd watched as the president downplayed the outbreak severity, and as the White House failed to issue public warnings, draw up a 50-state strategy, or dispatch medical gear or life-saving ventilators from the national stockpile to American hospitals.

00:22:08.000 By the way, there was no shortage of ventilators.

00:22:10.000 No one died for want of a ventilator in the United States.

00:22:12.000 It did not happen.

00:22:13.000 He says, eventually it was clear that waiting around for the president to run the nation's response was hopeless.

00:22:17.000 If we delayed any longer, we'd be condemning more of our citizens to suffering and death.

00:22:20.000 So every governor went their own way, which is how the United States ended up with such a patchwork response.

00:22:25.000 I did the best I could for Maryland.

00:22:26.000 Okay, now that's also called federalism.

00:22:29.000 The idea that states get to respond to things like pandemics with the best they can do.

00:22:33.000 That's our system.

00:22:35.000 The idea that the president has a solution to this and he just crammed down everything?

00:22:38.000 Let's assume that Trump had said, you know what?

00:22:40.000 National mask mandate, which is unconstitutional.

00:22:43.000 You can't do that on a national level.

00:22:44.000 You don't have the public health power, really.

00:22:45.000 But let's say that Trump did it.

00:22:47.000 They would claim he was a fascist.

00:22:48.000 Let's say he said, we're going to lock everybody in their homes for the next three months until no one has a case of this.

00:22:53.000 Do you think people would have stood for that?

00:22:54.000 Do you think Democrats would have stood for that?

00:22:56.000 Especially when Democrats were claiming that you could not get COVID-19 if you protested for George Floyd and shouted at the cops.

00:23:03.000 How do you think that would have gone?

00:23:05.000 So no matter what Trump did here, he was doomed.

00:23:07.000 Trump is overtly not fascist.

00:23:09.000 He says, I'm not going to nationalize our systems.

00:23:12.000 I'm not going to take everything over.

00:23:13.000 And then they say, well, you know, you abdicated duty.

00:23:15.000 And if he had done it, then he'd be a fascist.

00:23:18.000 That's the way this works.

00:23:19.000 I don't have a lot of sympathy for the idea that Trump's to blame for all of this.

00:23:25.000 You see this again from Chris Hayes.

00:23:27.000 Chris Hayes on MSNBC.

00:23:28.000 He says, it's Republicans' fault because they are not pushing mask mandates.

00:23:32.000 Here he was, Chris Hayes on MSNBC.

00:23:35.000 They want the last few months to not have happened.

00:23:38.000 To be wiped from everyone's memories.

00:23:40.000 To be some fluke.

00:23:41.000 An alternate dimension that we've accidentally warped into.

00:23:44.000 And now we're just gonna warp back out into normalcy.

00:23:48.000 And they've governed that way too, by and large.

00:23:50.000 And it hasn't worked.

00:23:51.000 That's why we're in the hell we are.

00:23:54.000 And that is exactly what the fight about masks is about.

00:23:56.000 I think.

00:23:57.000 Masks are a visual reminder that everything isn't normal, that we are in the midst of a once-in-a-century pandemic.

00:24:04.000 And on the whole, the Republican Party would very much like you to forget that.

00:24:08.000 OK, hold up a second.

00:24:10.000 Just hold up a second.

00:24:11.000 The idea that mask mandates are the real problem here.

00:24:14.000 Again, I'm going to give you the case numbers, the rising case numbers.

00:24:17.000 OK, so Florida is number one in terms of rising case numbers.

00:24:19.000 They're also doing the most tests.

00:24:20.000 It goes Florida, Texas, California, which is a Democratic state, Georgia, Arizona, Tennessee, Louisiana.

00:24:26.000 Louisiana is a Democratic state.

00:24:29.000 The states that were most hard-hit at the beginning, of course, were all of the Democratic states.

00:24:32.000 This idea that the mask mandate was the real key here.

00:24:34.000 So then, why did all the Democrat states get hit?

00:24:39.000 And why is it, again?

00:24:40.000 Does Trump have the power to mandate that Denmark and Norway and Sweden and Finland don't wear masks?

00:24:46.000 Again, the idea that they have the clear answer to all of this is really just cover for we don't like Trump.

00:24:50.000 And that's what you see from Andrew Cuomo, who's been the worst governor throughout all of this.

00:24:54.000 Awful in every respect, and then makes posters to himself about how wonderful he is. 0.96

00:24:58.000 Here is Andrew Cuomo basically saying that Trump is to blame for everything, including the fact that I'm garbage at my job. 0.98

00:25:04.000 Tapper should say that Trump is to blame for the virus coming to New York because that's the fact. 0.93

00:25:11.000 That's what the CDC just said.

00:25:14.000 If Trump's government had done its job, the virus wouldn't come here.

00:25:18.000 We don't do, governors don't do global pandemics.

00:25:23.000 I was trying to explain that to Mr. Tapper.

00:25:25.000 State governments don't do global public health.

00:25:29.000 That's not in the state charter.

00:25:31.000 The federal government does that.

00:25:33.000 The virus didn't come here because of anything New Yorkers did.

00:25:36.000 The virus came here because the federal government missed it.

00:25:40.000 Oh, the virus came here because the federal government missed it.

00:25:42.000 I see.

00:25:42.000 It didn't come to New York because you guys were busy.

00:25:45.000 Talking about how everybody should go down to Chinatown for Chinese New Year.

00:25:49.000 It didn't come to New York because you shipped all the old people with COVID back into the nursing homes. 1.00

00:25:53.000 Trump is just such a convenient whipping post for the Democrats that it doesn't matter that they don't have a solution for this either because no one has a solution.

00:25:59.000 How about this?

00:25:59.000 How about we just recognize there are no good answers here?

00:26:02.000 Okay, coming up, we're going to get into another aspect of the anti-Trump campaign, which is when he's not a fascist, it's because he's incompetent.

00:26:11.000 And when he does something strong, then he's a fascist, right?

00:26:13.000 This is the Catch-22 for Trump.

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00:27:25.000 Okay, meanwhile, as I say, the idea is that Trump was not a fascist on COVID-19, and therefore, he abdicated his duty.

00:27:31.000 And then when Trump steps in to protect the rights of citizens that are not being protected by their own mayors, then he's a fascist.

00:27:36.000 So case in point today.

00:27:38.000 There are these reports happening from Portland where apparently federal forces under the DHS are going around Portland.

00:27:45.000 They are labeled police, right?

00:27:46.000 They're wearing full-on military regalia with police on their military regalia and they're getting out of unmarked vehicles and they're arresting looters and rioters and people who are disobeying curfew laws and all of this.

00:27:56.000 And they're not just quote-unquote peaceful protesters.

00:27:58.000 They're walking around at 2 a.m.

00:27:59.000 smashing things.

00:28:00.000 That's what's been happening in Portland for well over a month. 1.00

00:28:03.000 Ted Wheeler, who is the idiot mayor of Portland, has allowed this to go on for really years. 0.99

00:28:07.000 He's allowed Antifa to stop people in the middle of the street. 1.00

00:28:09.000 He's allowed Portland to become the repository of sort of Antifa centers.

00:28:14.000 So there are videos that are emerging of federal forces and members of DHS who are walking up on guys who are dressed in this kind of cosplay Antifa military stuff and arresting people.

00:28:25.000 And so there are all these reports emerging.

00:28:27.000 Oh, well, look at the feds. 0.99

00:28:28.000 This is fascism!

00:28:29.000 Fascism!

00:28:30.000 Because they're coming and arresting people.

00:28:31.000 What's it all about?

00:28:32.000 Well, DHS basically announced what it was all about before.

00:28:35.000 Let me read you how the media are covering this, and then we'll get to what's actually happening here.

00:28:39.000 Because according to the media, this is basically Trump has authorized the jackboots to come in at night and just pick up peaceful protesters standing against racism.

00:28:47.000 That is not what is happening here, guys.

00:28:49.000 There's not a lot of evidence that the federal forces are just arriving to lock up the protesters.

00:28:54.000 That's that's not okay.

00:28:56.000 So here is the report that got all of this started.

00:28:57.000 It's from the Oregon I guess it's Oregon Public Broadcasting is the source of this report.

00:29:05.000 In the early hours of July 15th, after a night spent protesting at the Multnomah County Justice Center, protesting.

00:29:10.000 We'll see.

00:29:10.000 By protesting, they mean like firing things, breaking windows, and attempting to destroy.

00:29:14.000 In the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, Mark Pettibone and his friend Connor O'Shea decided to head home.

00:29:19.000 It had been a calm night compared to most protesting downtown.

00:29:21.000 By 2 a.m., law enforcement hadn't used any tear gas, and with only a few exceptions, both the Portland Police Bureau and federal law enforcement officers had stayed out of sight.

00:29:28.000 A block west of Chapman Square, Pettibone and O'Shea bumped into a group of people who warned them that people in camouflage were driving around the area in unmarked minivans grabbing people off the street.

00:29:37.000 So first of all, let's just be clear about this.

00:29:39.000 Police routinely use unmarked vehicles.

00:29:41.000 Because if you're in a marked vehicle, people run.

00:29:44.000 If you want to arrest somebody, very often you use an unmarked vehicle.

00:29:47.000 LAPD does not only use marked vehicles in my city.

00:29:50.000 Federal forces are not required to only use marked vehicles.

00:29:54.000 Now, you need probable cause to arrest somebody.

00:29:57.000 It's not clear whether these arrests are arrests or detentions.

00:29:58.000 People have been released.

00:29:59.000 Guys in camo, Shay said, four or five of them pop out, open the door and it was just like, oh bleep, I don't know who you are or what you want with us.

00:30:05.000 Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14.

00:30:12.000 Now, you need probable cause to arrest somebody.

00:30:14.000 It's not clear whether these arrests are arrests or detentions.

00:30:18.000 People have been released.

00:30:18.000 It's not like they're locking them up in Guantanamo Bay and leaving them there.

00:30:21.000 There's probably, if I had to suggest a theory, here's my theory, that the feds have been monitoring a group of Antifa protesters for a long time.

00:30:29.000 They have tape of them, and then they're going out and arresting them when they're violating curfew at night.

00:30:33.000 Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation of why they are being arrested and driving off.

00:30:41.000 The tactic appears to be another escalation in federal force deployed on Portland City streets as federal officers and President Donald Trump have said they plan to quell nightly protests outside the federal courthouse and Multnomah County Justice Center that have lasted for more than six weeks.

00:30:53.000 Federal officers have charged at least 13 people with crimes related to the protests so far.

00:30:57.000 They're not crimes related to the protests.

00:30:58.000 They are crimes of looting and rioting and violating the law.

00:31:03.000 Others have been arrested and released, including Pettibone.

00:31:05.000 They also left one demonstrator hospitalized with skull fractures after shooting him in the face with so-called less lethal munitions on July 11th.

00:31:12.000 Officers from the U.S.

00:31:12.000 Marshals Special Ops Group and Customs and Border Protection have been sent to Portland to protect federal property.

00:31:17.000 But interviews conducted by OBP show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren't near federal property.

00:31:23.000 Nor is it clear that all the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity.

00:31:26.000 Well, if they are detained and then they are released, that does happen from time to time.

00:31:30.000 And when the police detain you and then they release you, that is not technically an arrest by Supreme Court jurisprudence.

00:31:38.000 And now, what is it, what exactly, why is all this happening?

00:31:40.000 If you just read that piece, you would think, oh, well, these are peaceful protesters, right?

00:31:42.000 I mean, that's all that's happening.

00:31:43.000 It's just peaceful, peaceful protesting.

00:31:45.000 Yeah, that's not exactly what has been happening.

00:31:47.000 You have terrorists who are attempting to tear down, I mean, look, look at these apes! 1.00

00:31:50.000 I mean, look at the defacement of public property!

00:31:53.000 You can see what's happening here.

00:31:54.000 Okay, they're having to use tear gas on protest, on quote-unquote protesters and looters who are flinging objects at the cops.

00:32:02.000 They're firing fireworks, literally firing fireworks at federal buildings.

00:32:07.000 This is not peaceful protesting.

00:32:10.000 Acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf said in a statement earlier this week, the city of Portland has been under siege for 47 straight days by a violent mob, while local political leaders refuse to restore order to protect their city.

00:32:20.000 Each night, lawless anarchists destroy and desecrate property, including the federal courthouse, and attack the brave law enforcement officers protecting it.

00:32:26.000 He said instead of addressing violent criminals in their communities, local and state leaders are instead focusing on placing blame on law enforcement and requesting fewer officers This failed response has only emboldened the violent mob as it escalates violence day after day.

00:32:41.000 The DHS then released an extensive list of violence caused by leftist protesters since basically the end of May.

00:32:47.000 We're talking about graffiti.

00:32:48.000 We're talking about assault.

00:32:49.000 I mean, there's tape literally last night of Antifa dragging fencing over toward the federal courthouse to try and set up their own Chop Chaz.

00:32:58.000 In Portland.

00:33:00.000 So why exactly?

00:33:02.000 Here they are, right?

00:33:03.000 Here they are.

00:33:04.000 They've defaced the federal court building and now they are dragging, fencing over there to prevent the cops from coming in. 1.00

00:33:10.000 It's a bunch of idiot white kids. 1.00

00:33:12.000 It's a bunch of moron, woke white liberals who are engaging in this sort of activity. 1.00

00:33:18.000 And that's criminal activity. 1.00

00:33:19.000 And the locals refuse to do their job and arrest the criminals.

00:33:22.000 And so the feds are coming in and they're doing it.

00:33:24.000 Which is legal.

00:33:26.000 Which is legal. 0.98

00:33:27.000 So the media's response has been Trump's a fascist. 0.91

00:33:29.000 This is the overwhelming response. 0.99

00:33:30.000 Literally, Trump is a fascist was trending on Twitter today. 0.99

00:33:34.000 So if Trump enforces the law, he's a fascist. 1.00

00:33:37.000 If Trump doesn't take over all aspects of America's lockdown policies, then he is an incompetent. 0.93

00:33:43.000 You guys are gonna have to pick one, or you're gonna have to pick the other.

00:33:46.000 But again, it all comes down to the cops are the bad guys, except the cops aren't the bad guys.

00:33:50.000 There's one black officer from Portland who, I mean, this is pretty moving stuff, talked about the situation in Portland. 0.97

00:33:56.000 He said, basically, I want to have conversations with some of the people who are protesting, and these white woke jackasses keep coming between me and the people that I'm talking to, and then calling me racist names. 0.97

00:34:05.000 Here is this black police officer from Portland. 0.98

00:34:07.000 His name is Jackson.

00:34:09.000 I got to see folks that really do want change, like the rest of us, that have been impacted by racism.

00:34:17.000 And then I got to see those people get faded out by people that have no idea what racism is all about.

00:34:23.000 A lot of times, someone of color, black, Hispanic, Asian, come up to the fence and directly want to talk to me.

00:34:29.000 Hey, what do you think about George Floyd?

00:34:31.000 What do you think about what happened about this?

00:34:33.000 I go up to the fence.

00:34:34.000 Someone white comes up. 0.77

00:34:36.000 F the police. 0.99

00:34:36.000 Don't talk to him. 0.99

00:34:38.000 That was the most bizarre thing because I could see it coming.

00:34:42.000 Okay, he says in this clip also that some of these white protesters were coming up to him and saying, I've never seen a nose that big.

00:34:47.000 Like, overtly racist stuff.

00:34:49.000 And yet, these are the good guys.

00:34:51.000 According to the media, the protesters are the good guys.

00:34:52.000 The cops are the bad guys.

00:34:53.000 And this fits into a broader narrative that the cops are the bad guys generally.

00:34:57.000 We're going to get to that in just one second.

00:34:58.000 Because that ties into the broader narrative that America is racist and Trump is the figurehead of all that racism. 0.98

00:35:03.000 He's the prowl of the racist ship. 0.93

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00:36:29.000 We're going to get to more of this in a second.

00:36:30.000 The assault on the police.

00:36:31.000 This is part of a broader sort of argument. 0.88

00:36:34.000 The police are evil. 0.99

00:36:35.000 And Trump, because he's pro-police, is evil. 1.00

00:36:37.000 And the police and Trump are racist. 0.99

00:36:39.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:36:39.000 First, it is that glorious time of the week when I give a shout-out to a Daily Wire member.

00:36:43.000 We have reached that point.

00:36:44.000 Today, it's Allie Burkholder on Instagram, who's keeping on top of the COVID-19 pandemic.

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00:38:16.000 Alrighty, so the argument about the cops in Portland and the law enforcement in Portland, when it has just been run by Antifa for a month and a half, it's...

00:38:31.000 It's really insane and really it's driven by the broader American narrative that the police are the bad guys.

00:38:36.000 And the narrative here is based on an extraordinary reading of history.

00:38:41.000 Ayanna Pressley, who is the representative from Massachusetts, she is the Ringo star of the squad.

00:38:45.000 She actually said yesterday that our policing system emerged from slave catching.

00:38:51.000 Now that Is a bit of a stretch. 0.98

00:38:53.000 The idea that the cops right now are trying to stop black people from being murdered are an extension of a system that was designed to catch black people and bring them back to slavery is patently crazy. 0.97

00:39:03.000 But this is part of the narrative. 0.97

00:39:04.000 The cops are just all of history is just one unified blob.

00:39:08.000 Nothing has progressed over time, and so the cops are just mere outgrowths of that, according to Ayanna Pressley.

00:39:14.000 While Juneteenth is meant to be a day of celebration and of freedom and emancipation, again we must take stock of this moment and be sobered about the work that lies ahead.

00:39:25.000 Mr. Crenshaw, is it fair to say that the policing system in our nation grew out of the practice of capturing and often murdering individuals trying to escape from slavery?

00:39:37.000 Could you speak to the history of our policing system and how you see that influencing modern-day policing?

00:39:44.000 Okay, that linkage is so crazy.

00:39:48.000 How do you see it influencing modern-day policing?

00:39:50.000 That in 1832 there were slave-catching bands that were going around and they were called police and they were going around catching slaves?

00:39:54.000 Like, come on.

00:39:56.000 But again, this is part of the broader narrative.

00:39:57.000 If you're pro-cop, you're racist.

00:40:00.000 And this also ties into the narrative that the way you make your city safer is by getting rid of the cops, despite all evidence to the contrary. 0.98

00:40:04.000 This is how you can have moron mayor Bill de Blasio literally say yesterday that for seven years we've made the city safer. 0.92

00:40:10.000 Except for, you know, the doubling of the murder rates in New York City over the past month and a half. 1.00

00:40:14.000 Here is moron, giant weirdo, groundhog murderer Bill de Blasio. 0.98

00:40:20.000 For seven years, we have made this city safer and safer by working with communities, by recognizing the leadership of community leaders, organizations, clergy, elected officials, seeing what people can do to build peace in their own community, and building a different and better relationship between communities and the NYPD. 0.99

00:40:41.000 It's true.

00:40:41.000 You have made the city safer and safer, except for all the dead people.

00:40:44.000 Except for that, you've been doing a fantastic job there, Bill de Blasio.

00:40:46.000 But again, if the narrative is the cops are the bad guys, then you can claim this is true even when it is not true.

00:40:51.000 The mere absence of cops makes everybody safer, according to people like Bill de Blasio.

00:40:55.000 Now, again, this ties into the broader narrative about Trump.

00:40:58.000 So much of what is going on right now is simply about Trump.

00:41:01.000 About the fact that the left cannot accept that Trump won the 2016 election.

00:41:04.000 They've never been able to accept it. 0.84

00:41:05.000 And so the idea must be that the people who voted for him are not only in league with the Russians, which was the argument for two years, they're vicious racists.

00:41:12.000 And you can see this in some of the media coverage, right?

00:41:16.000 The actual heads of the New York Times, and Dean Baquette, he suggested that as soon as the Russia stuff was over, before the whole Ukrainian nonsense, that he was going to have to staff up on racial issues.

00:41:26.000 Go back and look at it.

00:41:27.000 Jim McHead said that they were going to staff up on racial issues because that was the new narrative.

00:41:30.000 Well, why was that the new narrative?

00:41:32.000 Because the media have decided to drive that narrative.

00:41:34.000 And so what they're looking for right now is to link everybody who voted with Trump with the deplorables again. 0.99

00:41:39.000 Everybody who voted for Trump is indeed a vicious, brutal, horrible racist. 0.98

00:41:43.000 And indeed, all of American society is plagued by racism. 0.99

00:41:45.000 So not only is all of American society plagued by racism, but also the top of the heap is Trump. 0.65

00:41:51.000 Trump is the face of that American racism. 0.98

00:41:54.000 And this is why you have this masturbatory adulation for Mary Trump's new book. 1.00

00:41:58.000 So Mary Trump is Trump's niece. 0.90

00:42:01.000 I literally have no idea what she does or where she came from or why she is relevant.

00:42:05.000 I have extended relatives.

00:42:08.000 They don't know me all that well.

00:42:10.000 If I were running for president, I would not really trust what they had to write in a book.

00:42:15.000 I do not know why, if Mary Trump is such a relevant figure, she has only come about in 2020 when it was time for her to write a book.

00:42:21.000 Nonetheless, the very first day that this book was on sale, Mary Trump's book, it sold 950,000 copies.

00:42:28.000 Why?

00:42:29.000 Well, because it's just, it's comfort food.

00:42:31.000 It's comfort food for Democrats who can't get over the fact that Trump won.

00:42:34.000 And now, Mary Trump is making allegations that she doesn't even put in her book.

00:42:40.000 Now she's just being basically asked whether Trump eats children by various members of the media.

00:42:45.000 And she's like, yeah, Trump eats children.

00:42:47.000 Yeah, I know for a fact that he's got a kid in a cage in the back of the White House and he feeds that child to fatten them up and then he eats them.

00:42:54.000 So Rachel Maddow last night on MSNBC asks Mary Trump whether Trump uses the N-word and anti-Semitic slurs and she's like, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. 0.74

00:43:01.000 Where were you five years ago if this was the case?

00:43:05.000 That seems like something that would have been relevant when he was running for president the first time.

00:43:08.000 But apparently, Mary Trump, here to clean up all the cash. 1.00

00:43:12.000 New hero of the republic, Mary Trump.

00:43:14.000 Here's Rachel Maddow.

00:43:16.000 I have to press you on it a little bit.

00:43:18.000 Just to ask if the president, if your uncle was an exception to that in your family, or if you ever heard him express, either use anti-semitic slurs, or the n-word, or other racist slurs, or other sentiments like that.

00:43:33.000 Oh yeah, of course I did.

00:43:36.000 And I don't think that should surprise anybody given how virulently racist he is today.

00:43:43.000 Have you heard the president use the n-word?

00:43:46.000 Yeah.

00:43:47.000 And anti-Semitic slurs specifically?

00:43:51.000 Yes.

00:43:52.000 Well, amazing.

00:43:53.000 Amazing how that didn't make it into the book.

00:43:55.000 Incredible.

00:43:56.000 Now, breaking news as I'm selling a book, Trump used that.

00:43:59.000 By the way, that would have been the kill shot in 2016, would it have not?

00:44:04.000 There are not a lot of people in America in 2020 who are fond of people using the N-word.

00:44:09.000 But here's Mary Trump, look, emerging from the woodwork, and Democrats are like, oh well, you know, because that links with the American racist system, and Trump is just the face of that giant American racist system.

00:44:17.000 Now, color me a little bit skeptical on this, just a little bit skeptical, that a man who's been in the public eye for nearly all his life, and who has sought the public eye for nearly all his life, routinely uses the N-word, and somehow nobody else has ever said that he uses the N-word.

00:44:32.000 Like, this is the first person in human history who said this.

00:44:36.000 Well, she's selling a book.

00:44:38.000 Yeah, I'm gonna go skeptical on that one.

00:44:42.000 Again, this is all part of the broader miasmatic attempt to paint everything in America as racist. 0.91

00:44:46.000 So as to say that the current president of the United States is the biggest problem.

00:44:50.000 We get rid of him and we can start to really do the hard work.

00:44:53.000 I don't know if the memo went out at major newspapers last night, but now classical music is under fire.

00:44:57.000 There's an article in the Washington Post called, That sound you're hearing is classical music's long overdue reckoning with racism.

00:45:06.000 Classical music?

00:45:07.000 What, did they uncover some of Mozart's old tweets or something?

00:45:11.000 I mean, like, Wagner was pretty obviously a Jew-hater, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China right now.

00:45:18.000 That's weird.

00:45:19.000 Okay, that's not the only article like this.

00:45:20.000 There's a second article with the New York Times saying that orchestras have to end blind auditions.

00:45:24.000 Why?

00:45:24.000 Because they need more faces of color.

00:45:28.000 This is absurdity.

00:45:30.000 These came out the same day, by the way.

00:45:32.000 The memo went out in the cultural world.

00:45:33.000 It was time to go after classical music.

00:45:35.000 I very much look forward to the vast media review of rap music for racist, misogynistic, homophobic, and violent lyrics.

00:45:44.000 I feel like they might get a little further with that than with classical music is inherently racist.

00:45:49.000 Going after Brahms.

00:45:51.000 According to the Washington Post, however, The late great soprano Jessye Norman reserved just one chapter of her 24-hour memoir, Stand Up Straight and Sing, for discussion of the discrimination she faced so often throughout her career, even as one of the most decorated performers on the international opera stage.

00:46:04.000 But it's safe to assume race was a running theme in her magnificent life, a dissonant motif that emerged again and again in the form of careless slurs and slights from conductors, TV roles that would have reduced her from ditto on stage to a maid on screen, offensive questions from bumbling critics, nosy security guards challenging her right to exist in the hotel pool.

00:46:22.000 Those who would imagine that the rarefied realms of classical music or opera are somehow removed from the rancor of racism would be, as Norman put it, mistaken.

00:46:29.000 Sadly mistaken.

00:46:30.000 And so too would those who imagine that our nation's intensifying reckoning with racial injustice merely marches past the concert hall.

00:46:36.000 Yes, I'm sure that when most protesters looked at an officer Brutally treating George Floyd.

00:46:43.000 What they were thinking was, you know what, we need to go down to the Metropolitan Opera House right now and solve racism in Dido and Anais.

00:46:50.000 Front and center, we need to go after the Rossini operas.

00:46:53.000 Must happen.

00:46:54.000 Data collected from 500 American orchestras for a 2016 study by the League of American Orchestras paints a starkly white picture when it comes to diversity in classical organizations.

00:47:02.000 It's key finding.

00:47:03.000 The proportion of non-white musicians represented in the orchestra workforce, and of African-American and Hispanic-Latino musicians in particular, remains extremely low.

00:47:12.000 Okay, I just have one question.

00:47:14.000 Have they ever recognized how many great, great Asian musicians there are?

00:47:18.000 Okay, so I'm a classical violinist.

00:47:20.000 I've been playing since the age of five.

00:47:22.000 Disproportionately overrepresented among classical violinists are Jews and Asians.

00:47:26.000 Okay, that's just the way it is.

00:47:28.000 Both minority groups.

00:47:28.000 But they don't count as minority groups.

00:47:30.000 The only minority groups who count as minority groups are minority groups who are seen as victimized.

00:47:35.000 Okay, and if you're too rich, or if you're too successful, then you're not counted.

00:47:42.000 It's an absurdity.

00:47:44.000 How absurd is this?

00:47:45.000 It's so absurd that, again, this brings us to the second piece from the New York Times.

00:47:48.000 They want to get rid of blind auditions.

00:47:50.000 So there was a theory a while ago that the reason there weren't enough musicians of color in orchestras, and these are really female musicians, there weren't enough female musicians in positions of power in orchestras, is because when women were trying out, there were sort of these evil sexist directors of orchestras who would not give them the time of day. 0.62

00:48:05.000 And so orchestras started using blind auditions.

00:48:08.000 And counter to public perception, what actually happened is the number of women in positions of power in orchestras went down.

00:48:12.000 It turned out that women were actually being kind of slightly favored in some of those things.

00:48:16.000 Well now, it turns out that the New York Times wishes to get rid of blind auditions.

00:48:21.000 They literally want to make the orchestras worse.

00:48:23.000 They want to have worse musicians so long as the diversity photo looks appealing.

00:48:28.000 If ensembles are to reflect the communities they serve, the audition process should take into account race, gender, and other factors, according to Anthony Tomasini over at the New York Times in the Critics' Notebook.

00:48:40.000 Blind auditions, as they became known, proved transformative.

00:48:43.000 The percentage of women in orchestras, which hovered under 6% in 1970, grew.

00:48:47.000 Today, women make up a third of the Boston Symphony Orchestra.

00:48:49.000 They are half the New York Philharmonic.

00:48:51.000 Blind auditions changed the face of American orchestras. 0.60

00:48:53.000 So, by the way, I'm not sure the data actually support this, but he's now counting against his own argument.

00:48:58.000 He's saying blind auditions were good because they allowed people who had historically been discriminated against to get into orchestras.

00:49:03.000 But now, we need to get rid of the blind auditions and have worse musicians so that we can have more faces of color in the orchestra.

00:49:11.000 Again, I really look forward to these standards being applied to the NBA.

00:49:14.000 I think that we need to get rid of blind auditions for the NBA.

00:49:19.000 We need to specifically seek out more Jewish players in the NBA.

00:49:23.000 We need to seek out more Asian players in the NBA.

00:49:24.000 We need more people who are 5'5 in the NBA.

00:49:27.000 We do.

00:49:27.000 We need more women in the NBA.

00:49:29.000 It's an extraordinarily non-diverse league.

00:49:31.000 Why exactly are we focusing in on the skill level of the people who are playing?

00:49:35.000 Why aren't we focusing in on the diversity?

00:49:36.000 We need a racially and gender and sexual orientation representative NBA.

00:49:42.000 And if we don't have that, then it just ain't gonna work, guys.

00:49:46.000 We need people like Juwanna Man in the NBA. 1.00

00:49:49.000 We need it.

00:49:50.000 Because if we don't have that, then the NBA is just not a diverse place. 1.00

00:49:53.000 And I don't hear anybody making that argument, of course, because it's a stupid argument! 0.98

00:49:56.000 But you start making it about orchestras because too many white people, and all of a sudden, you are woke and standing up against racism. 0.99

00:50:03.000 Now, There are real bad things happening in the world right now.

00:50:06.000 I mean, truly evil things happening in the world. 1.00

00:50:08.000 And we are ignoring all of them in favor of this stupidity. 1.00

00:50:11.000 So we are focused in like a laser beam on Trump and COVID-19 and how he blew it, even though nobody has a handle on this thing. 1.00

00:50:18.000 Nobody.

00:50:19.000 No one has a good handle.

00:50:20.000 And don't give me that the United States has a different treatment than Hong Kong.

00:50:25.000 Again, different strains.

00:50:26.000 Also, different caseload from the very beginning.

00:50:29.000 We're focusing it on Trump. 0.99

00:50:30.000 Trump's evil. 1.00

00:50:31.000 We're focusing it on Trump's a fascist. 0.99

00:50:32.000 We're focusing it on classical orchestras aren't diverse enough. 0.95

00:50:35.000 Get rid of blind auditions. 0.97

00:50:37.000 And meanwhile, the Chinese are literally sending Muslims into concentration camps after shaving their head on trains.

00:50:43.000 Remember that time people were like, never again after the Holocaust? 0.99

00:50:47.000 It's happening like right now.

00:50:48.000 Like right now.

00:50:49.000 There's tape that has emerged of the Chinese loading Uighur Muslims onto trains.

00:50:54.000 And then taking them to concentration camps.

00:50:56.000 There is video of Uyghurs with their heads shaved being shuttled into these concentration camps.

00:51:03.000 If people risk their lives to break this sort of tape, this is hideous, hideous stuff.

00:51:08.000 What's the world doing about it?

00:51:09.000 Nothing.

00:51:10.000 What does America's left care about?

00:51:11.000 Not one whit about this.

00:51:12.000 Not one iota about this.

00:51:14.000 LeBron James, Captain Woke over here, he's still claiming that we don't properly understand China.

00:51:19.000 The NBA is still trying to make common cause with the Chinese.

00:51:25.000 That's not a misdirect.

00:51:26.000 It is a misprioritization.

00:51:28.000 It is a misread of the idea that America is uniquely evil.

00:51:32.000 That the American system is uniquely evil.

00:51:35.000 To be so myopic that you focus only on America when truly evil things are happening around the world and when America really provides the only bulwark against that true evil.

00:51:42.000 Is insane.

00:51:43.000 But that's the world we now occupy.

00:51:44.000 An insane world where we're supposed to be deeply concerned, deeply, deeply concerned about racism in classical music.

00:51:50.000 But, you know, do we have a moment to spare for millions of people being shuttled into abject slavery because of their religion?

00:51:58.000 By people we're doing a lot of business with?

00:52:00.000 Nah, not so much.

00:52:01.000 Alrighty, time for a quick thing that I like, or not so quick thing that I like.

00:52:04.000 So yesterday, I had the privilege of having on Vice President Mike Pence on the radio show.

00:52:08.000 I thought that it was a good and interesting interview.

00:52:10.000 So here is what that sounded like.

00:52:13.000 Joining us on the line is Vice President Mike Pence.

00:52:15.000 Vice President Pence, thanks so much for taking the time.

00:52:17.000 I know you're very busy these days.

00:52:20.000 Ben Shapiro, it is great to be back with you.

00:52:22.000 I'm speaking to you from the White House.

00:52:24.000 And just thank you.

00:52:26.000 Thank you for your strong, conservative voice on the airwaves and on the Internet all across this country.

00:52:33.000 Well, thank you so much.

00:52:34.000 So let's talk about the biggest thing on a lot of Republicans' minds these days, the campaign.

00:52:38.000 So obviously, the campaign has an uphill climb here.

00:52:41.000 I mean, the polling data right now so far is not great.

00:52:44.000 What does the campaign plan to do to turn this thing around?

00:52:46.000 It seems like you've kept a lot of ammunition in store.

00:52:48.000 It seems as though the campaign really hasn't gotten started thanks to a variety of factors.

00:52:51.000 What do you think the campaign is going to do to push forward in the coming months?

00:52:55.000 Well, I think first and foremost, we're not going to pay any more attention to the polls in this election than we did in 2016.

00:53:00.000 I just saw a poll come out this morning that That had us down double digits.

00:53:06.000 And a friend reminded me that the exact same poll had the president down double digits about this time in 2016.

00:53:13.000 So, look, elections are about choices.

00:53:17.000 I can't wait to get out on the campaign trail.

00:53:20.000 I'll be in Wisconsin tomorrow talking about everything that we were able to accomplish in the first three years of this administration, the president's leadership through this extraordinary pandemic.

00:53:33.000 We continue to move the nation forward.

00:53:35.000 We continue to meet the needs of the American people, of families, and making sure hospitalization, healthcare workers have the support they need.

00:53:44.000 And we continue to see America opening up.

00:53:46.000 You know, we lost 22 million jobs at the height of this pandemic.

00:53:51.000 But given the foundation, the strength of the American economy, the foundation this president poured in the first three years, Ben, we've already seen nearly 8 million jobs return.

00:54:02.000 We're going to continue to open up America, open up America's schools, even while we work every single day to put this coronavirus in the past.

00:54:10.000 That's the record we're going to take to the American people.

00:54:13.000 And that record of leadership and accomplishment built on principles, free-market principles of growth, will contrast so dramatically with the more taxes, more regulation, big government, social, liberal agenda that Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, AOC, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer are going to take to the American people.

00:54:38.000 So I'm confident about November 3rd.

00:54:41.000 We're going to talk about the record.

00:54:42.000 We're going to talk about the contrast.

00:54:44.000 We're going to deliver a great victory for the American people.

00:54:47.000 And Vice President Pence, one of the most difficult things that the administration's had to deal with literally since day one and before day one has been the media bias against the administration, the media obviously militating in favor A variety of causes, none of which are particularly good for the United States.

00:55:01.000 On occasion they'll just overtly lie.

00:55:03.000 After President Trump gave what I thought was an excellent speech at Mount Rushmore, they simply labeled it racist.

00:55:06.000 They labeled it a defense of Confederate monuments when he didn't make a single reference to Confederate monuments.

00:55:11.000 And that's sort of been the theme of the media throughout this campaign, and frankly throughout the last few years, has been the idea that everything the president does is evil and wrong.

00:55:20.000 It was all about how the president wasn't providing ventilators when he was, and then once the ventilators were provided, that sort of just went away.

00:55:25.000 It was all about how the president was involved with Russia, and when that went away, then they just moved on to the next topic.

00:55:31.000 How do you fight back against a narrative in the media that is so overwhelming and dominant?

00:55:35.000 And how do you fight back, especially when they are fear-mongering about COVID-19, which is a very dangerous virus, but that doesn't mean that we can all live in our basements from now until a vaccine.

00:55:43.000 I think we just continue to tell the American people the truth.

00:55:46.000 We tell the American people the truth about what we accomplished in our first three years.

00:55:50.000 I mean, this president, I actually think, Ben, this president kept more promises than he made to the American people in 2016.

00:55:58.000 I mean, we rebuilt our military.

00:56:01.000 We renewed the constitutional foundation under our courts.

00:56:05.000 More than 200 conservatives confirmed to our federal courts.

00:56:08.000 And on the economy, this president cut taxes, rolled back regulation, unleashed American energy, fought for free and fair and better trade deals for the American people, and we saw 7 million jobs created.

00:56:21.000 And as I said, that laid a foundation even with this pandemic striking our nation from China. 0.96

00:56:29.000 The president was able, again, to marshal the resources not just of the government, But a whole-of-America response, where we saw American ingenuity, American businesses stepping up.

00:56:40.000 We reinvented testing.

00:56:42.000 We saw the creation of more than 100,000 ventilators in 100 days.

00:56:48.000 No American who required a ventilator was ever denied a ventilator.

00:56:51.000 Hundreds of millions of medical supplies that we continue to surge.

00:56:56.000 As we see outbreaks and an increase in cases along the Sun Belt.

00:57:02.000 And then you saw the news this week with the advent of new vaccines that are moving through clinical trials at a record pace.

00:57:14.000 I have to tell you, Ben, from where I've sat in this process, despite the criticism, not just over the last three and a half years, but over the last four months, from the media.

00:57:27.000 I say only with this president and only in America.

00:57:30.000 And I have every confidence as we go forward, we're going to continue to take that case.

00:57:35.000 And I truly do believe that there's greater enthusiasm for the president and his agenda today than there was at this time in the election in 2016.

00:57:45.000 So we're going to keep dealing with this pandemic.

00:57:49.000 We're going to make sure every state has everything they need to provide for their citizens that are impacted by the coronavirus, the same level of healthcare you or I would want for any member of our family.

00:58:00.000 But we're gonna keep opening up, we're gonna open up our schools, we're gonna keep telling the American people the truth.

00:58:05.000 And you're gonna see this president and this team back in the winner's circle on November 3rd.

00:58:10.000 Vice President Pence, the other aspect of our politics that seems to be so dominant over the last few months is this extraordinarily radical vision of the United States as a place steeped in racism and bigotry in which all of our institutions have been thoroughly corrupted from inceptions resulting in.

00:58:26.000 Everything up to and including tearing down statues of Thomas Jefferson, defacing statues of George Washington, I think connected to larger scale rioting and looting.

00:58:34.000 The Democratic Party seems completely feckless in the face of this sort of behavior.

00:58:38.000 How do you and the president plan to take the message on the road that there really is a threat to some of the fundamental ties that bind us in the United States?

00:58:44.000 Well, Ben, I think, as you said, I think that's what the Mount Rushmore speech was all about.

00:58:49.000 And to some extent, the July 4th speech from the South Lawn of the White House reiterated that.

00:58:54.000 Look, this is a president.

00:58:56.000 That's going to defend America. 0.89

00:59:00.000 From the founding of this country, we expressed a set of ideals, and every day in the long history of this country, we have marched toward a more perfect union.

00:59:12.000 And the American people, I think, can be proud of the progress that we've made.

00:59:15.000 We can celebrate that progress, even while we continue.

00:59:19.000 We continue to aspire to make those ideals more real for more Americans.

00:59:25.000 And with regard to the cancel culture that we have in this country, you're going to continue to see the president and our entire team stand up for the ideals of this country and stand up for America.

00:59:40.000 But with regard to the whole issue of law and order and law enforcement, I met yesterday with the leaders of the top law enforcement associations in America, Ben, and there is There's no excuse for what happened to George Floyd, and justice will be served.

00:59:58.000 But there's also no excuse for the rioting and the looting and the destruction of property and violence against persons that followed that.

01:00:07.000 And yet we still see everyone from Joe Biden on down.

01:00:12.000 Talking about defunding the police.

01:00:15.000 I mean, Joe Biden, in an interview just in the last week, was asked if he would support transferring funding out of police departments, and he said, absolutely, yes.

01:00:27.000 And a lot of members of the mainstream media are denying that he said that, but it's what he said.

01:00:33.000 And, you know, we're not going to defund the police.

01:00:36.000 We're going to defend the police.

01:00:38.000 We know, you know, most of the men and women who put on the uniform of law enforcement every day are the best people in this country.

01:00:45.000 Every single day, they strap on a sidearm and they count our lives as more important than their own.

01:00:53.000 And we also know that nobody hates bad cops more than good cops.

01:00:56.000 So we're going to continue to look for ways to fund the police, to improve public safety, but we're not going to defund the police.

01:01:04.000 We're going to back the blue.

01:01:06.000 And that's why I know the president was so proud To receive the endorsement that he just received from a major police association.

01:01:13.000 And I truly do believe that whether it's the economic record, whether it's standing on all of our best constitutional ideals, the courts, whether it's rebuilding our military, or whether it's standing for law and order and with law enforcement, that I believe the majority of the American people are with us and not with Joe Biden and the radical left.

01:01:33.000 And we're going to carry that message all across this country every day between now and November 3.

01:01:38.000 We're speaking with Vice President Pence.

01:01:40.000 So, Vice President Pence, the President is unparalleled when it comes to characterizing his opposition.

01:01:44.000 It's one of his specialties.

01:01:45.000 He's one of the best in the history of American politics at boxing in his opponents and certainly labeling his opponents.

01:01:51.000 What is the strategy with regard to Joe Biden?

01:01:53.000 Because it seems like there have been a couple of attacks that have been tried.

01:01:55.000 One is obviously that Joe Biden is not what he used to be.

01:01:59.000 And then the second attack is that Joe Biden is a lot more radical than he is making it out.

01:02:03.000 I think that, frankly, Biden is running a pretty smart campaign by staying in the basement and mouthing sort of platitudes that he thinks appeal to a broad range of Americans while sort of winking and nodding at the radical left.

01:02:13.000 That makes it kind of hard to characterize him.

01:02:15.000 How does the president plan on going after Joe Biden more specifically?

01:02:19.000 Well, we're just going to talk about we're going to talk about the record, because, look, Joe Biden is a liberal, been in Washington, D.C.

01:02:28.000 for 40 years.

01:02:30.000 But the Democratic Party today has been overtaken by the radical left.

01:02:34.000 And all you need to do is look at the fact that here in the middle of a pandemic, at a time when American businesses are starting to get back on their feet, people are going back to work, even as we continue to deal with the outbreaks across the sunbelt in this country.

01:02:51.000 Joe Biden actually unveiled a plan To raise taxes by $4 trillion, raise taxes by nearly $2 trillion on American families, but $2 trillion on American businesses.

01:03:07.000 And I have to tell you, we're going to carry that message everywhere, because at the end of the day, we're focused on two things right now in this administration, and that is saving lives.

01:03:21.000 And opening up America again.

01:03:23.000 It's protecting the vulnerable, making sure our healthcare workers have everything they need to meet this moment, and bringing our country's economy back.

01:03:33.000 I mean, what the President's understood from early on, Is that it's not a choice between the health of the American people and a growing economy.

01:03:41.000 It's a choice between health and health.

01:03:42.000 We have to have a growing economy.

01:03:45.000 We have to open up our country again for the health and well-being of every American.

01:03:52.000 And that goes equally for our schools.

01:03:54.000 You know, the president and I, I was in Louisiana just a couple of days ago.

01:04:00.000 We're working with leaders in every state in the country, working with the CDC, to get our kids back to school.

01:04:07.000 You know, you're a parent.

01:04:10.000 You know, I'm a parent.

01:04:10.000 My kids are a little bit older than yours.

01:04:12.000 But look, we know that the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus to Americans under the age of 18 is very low.

01:04:23.000 And with the CDC's guidance, we know that we can safely bring young people back to school, back to our college and university campuses.

01:04:32.000 And yet we're continuing to see Democrats around the country push back on that, and we're going to keep opening up.

01:04:37.000 So it's about talking about a plan of the radical left that Joe Biden is standing on, a platform he's standing on.

01:04:46.000 But also, don't leave out $4 trillion in tax increases, but a little bit later today we're going to be on the South Lawn talking about all the regulations that this president has cut in the last three and a half years that have unleashed the American economy.

01:05:00.000 Joe Biden also announced his version of the Green New Deal, literally $2 trillion in green subsidies.

01:05:08.000 And I don't think I have to remind you or your listeners about the Solyndra deal in the last administration, $500 million down the drain in a bankrupt solar company.

01:05:18.000 Now they want to spend $2 trillion and bring back the whole regime of cap and trade to crush American energy, crush American energy independence.

01:05:29.000 It is a pathway toward economic downturn.

01:05:34.000 It will wage war on economic recovery.

01:05:38.000 And that's the message we're going to take beyond all the other issues, having to do with the culture, having to do with our ideals, having to do with the right to life, a strong military and law enforcement.

01:05:49.000 We're going to talk about our view for the economy, that work before is working again, and Joe Biden's view that'll hold this country back through higher taxes and more regulation.

01:06:02.000 And Vice President Pence, one other area where there's a clear point of differentiation is obviously with regard to China, where Joe Biden has a very long record of being soft on China.

01:06:09.000 What exactly is the administration doing, given the fact that the Chinese have now essentially reduced Hong Kong back into a state of tyranny? 0.99

01:06:17.000 And meanwhile, there's video emerging today of the Chinese literally forcing Uyghurs onto trains, which obviously brings up some rather nasty imagery from the past. 0.79

01:06:25.000 There are over a million Uyghurs who are living in concentration camps at this point.

01:06:28.000 What is the administration doing to counter China these days?

01:06:31.000 No president in my lifetime has been tougher on the Chinese Communist Party than President Donald Trump.

01:06:37.000 I mean, when we took office after eight years of the Obama-Biden administration, half of our international trade deficit alone was with China, a country that had policies like forced abortion.

01:06:51.000 And in the years that followed, we saw the oppression of the Uyghur population, people literally being marshaled into concentration camps.

01:07:00.000 And then in recent days, we saw them break their word, not just to the U.K., but to the world about Hong Kong.

01:07:07.000 They made a commitment for at least 50 years that they would respect the freedom, the democracy of the people of Hong Kong, and they unilaterally changed that.

01:07:20.000 And that's why this president has taken strong stands to impose tariffs.

01:07:25.000 On China, the vast majority of those tariffs, even with a phase one deal we did, continue to be in effect because China has not opened up their markets yet.

01:07:35.000 But with regard to freedom of navigation, we have a battle group, two aircraft carriers in the South China Sea, and the Secretary of State just reaffirmed our nation's commitment The freedom of navigation in the South China Sea.

01:07:49.000 We've taken a strong stand for human rights, spoken out against the oppression of the Muslim Uyghurs. 1.00

01:07:56.000 And as you saw earlier this week, the president signed an executive order taking decisive action, changing the status of Hong Kong, which has been an economic Asset for China, because they had a separate status from China.

01:08:12.000 He's taken dramatic steps to hold China accountable, and will continue to do that. 0.92

01:08:18.000 All of that said, Ben, this is a president that believes in engagement in the world.

01:08:25.000 He believes in dialogue.

01:08:27.000 We want a better relationship with China.

01:08:29.000 We want better for China.

01:08:31.000 But we're going to continue to stand strong.

01:08:32.000 We're going to stand strong for basic human liberties and human rights in China, for freedom of navigation, and we're going to stand with the people of Hong Kong.

01:08:43.000 Well, Vice President Pence, really appreciate your time and appreciate you serving the country the way that you do.

01:08:47.000 Thanks so much.

01:08:49.000 Ben, it's great to be with you.

01:08:50.000 Thanks.

01:08:50.000 Thanks for your clarion voice on the airwaves and all across this country.

01:08:54.000 I look forward to talking to you soon.

01:08:56.000 Sounds great.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - July 17, 2020

What If There Are No Good Answers? | Ep. 1054

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