The Ben Shapiro Show - What The Hell Happens Now? | Ep. 975

00:00:00.000 As the entire American economy freezes, the feds open up the spigot, we examine what comes next, and the media won't stop labeling Trump a racist over his use of the term Chinese virus.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:25.000 Alrighty.

00:00:25.000 Well, today, I really want to examine in depth what exactly we are going to do from here on out, because that is eminently unclear.

00:00:33.000 And let me just make clear at the outset that I'm very much in favor of measures that are designed to flatten the curve.

00:00:37.000 I'm very much in favor of the attempt to lower the Threshold of death.

00:00:43.000 The goal here is to prevent, as we've said before, the giant curve that exceeds the capacity of the medical system from taking place and to flatten that thing out.

00:00:52.000 But let's just be realistic about what is going to work for the American public and what is not going to work for the American public.

00:00:58.000 I was talking to my wife this morning about this entire situation.

00:01:01.000 And I was suggesting that if you look to the world of dieting, what you know about dieting, what everybody knows about dieting is that dieting doesn't work.

00:01:08.000 The reason that dieting generally does not work is because there is no end date.

00:01:12.000 It is interminable and it is unrealistic.

00:01:15.000 If you actually want to succeed in cutting weight, you either have to have rounds of cutting weight where you say, like, for three weeks, we're just going to cut weight.

00:01:21.000 For three weeks, there's going to be no sugar, there's going to be no fat, there's going to be no carbs.

00:01:24.000 It's going to be brutal, but you can do it for three weeks.

00:01:26.000 And then you'll go back to eating some of the stuff and you'll adjust your lifestyle a little bit.

00:01:31.000 essentially, you'll go back to kind of quasi normal.

00:01:33.000 If you say that to people, then people can handle it for like three weeks.

00:01:36.000 And if you say to people, listen, we're gonna have to adjust your entire diet and it's gonna be permanent, but it's not gonna be like enormous changes.

00:01:42.000 It's just gonna be enough changes that it changes the trajectory of your nutritional health.

00:01:47.000 If you say to people, okay, we're not gonna cut carbohydrates completely out, but we're gonna cut them down fairly significantly.

00:01:53.000 We're not going to cut out your morning cup of coffee, but we're going to take down the size of that cup of coffee.

00:01:57.000 That is something people can deal with too.

00:01:58.000 If you tell them on a permanent basis, let's be realistic about what we can do, and then we'll implement that on a permanent basis.

00:02:03.000 Here's what people cannot do.

00:02:05.000 We're going to cut out fat.

00:02:06.000 We're going to cut out sugar.

00:02:07.000 We're going to cut out carbohydrates.

00:02:08.000 We're going to cut out salt.

00:02:09.000 We're going to cut out everything that tastes good to you.

00:02:11.000 And we're going to do it until I say.

00:02:13.000 No one's going to do that.

00:02:14.000 It's going to last five minutes.

00:02:15.000 Truly five minutes.

00:02:17.000 And the reason it's going to last five minutes is because if you believe that there is an indefinite wait time here, at a certain point, you're just going to say, OK, screw it.

00:02:26.000 Right?

00:02:26.000 Really, like, done.

00:02:27.000 And that is the problem with the government's response with regard to coronavirus thus far.

00:02:31.000 There have been two major problems.

00:02:33.000 One is the resources have not been brought to bear.

00:02:36.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

00:02:37.000 Because the goal here, as I was saying yesterday on the program, theoretically, should be to shift from sort of the Chinese model, or the Italian model, or the French model, to the South Korean model, and to do that as fast as possible.

00:02:48.000 The goal here would be to move away from the model where everybody is in complete lockdown, where you're isolated in your home, where there is tremendous amounts of social distancing.

00:02:56.000 And to move toward the South Korean model where there's heavy testing and basically we're segregating off the population that is exposed to the virus from a population that is not exposed to the virus so that over time you develop a herd immunity and also so that you don't shut down the economy.

00:03:08.000 That can only happen when you have the resources at your disposal.

00:03:11.000 So that should be the goal.

00:03:12.000 The problem is if the government doesn't actually lay out a timeline for when that's going to happen, it's going to be unrealistic.

00:03:17.000 And when you're talking about millions of Americans losing their job, and that's what's going to happen over the next few weeks, the government can backstop this stuff as much as they want.

00:03:24.000 Everyone knows that if this lasts for six months, the government is not going to have the ability to simply keep paying people.

00:03:30.000 I mean, look at the bond yields.

00:03:31.000 The bond yields are already rising.

00:03:32.000 That means the desire to buy American bonds is already down.

00:03:35.000 That means buying American debt is down.

00:03:36.000 So who's going to finance?

00:03:38.000 All of this spending.

00:03:39.000 You can do this for a short period of time.

00:03:40.000 You can backstop bank loans, for example.

00:03:42.000 Tell the banks, don't call in all of your loans right now.

00:03:44.000 Tell the credit card companies, don't go and police all of your credit for a month or two.

00:03:49.000 You can't do that for six, seven, eight months.

00:03:52.000 Not when nobody is working.

00:03:53.000 And right now, small businesses that were operating with slim margins, this great lie that was being told by so many folks on the left that small business owners or even major business owners are operating on massive profit margins.

00:04:03.000 They just got pools of cash stacked up somewhere and they can pay people.

00:04:07.000 Well, right now they're laying off tens of thousands of workers.

00:04:10.000 And over the next few weeks, you're going to see them lay off hundreds of thousands of workers.

00:04:13.000 And all of the Democrat attempts to create legislation that will force small companies to pay for paid sick leave.

00:04:18.000 How many companies do you think are just going to say, okay, not only are we not going to pay for paid sick leave, we are not going to employ you.

00:04:24.000 We're just going to furlough you.

00:04:26.000 As people have to choose between the risks of coronavirus and the rewards of having a job, as that calculation becomes more and more immediate, which it's going to be over time, The government is going to have to lay out a timeline for how long this thing lasts.

00:04:41.000 We're going to have to lay out a plan for what comes next, because it is just not going to be sufficient to tell people, hunker down in your home until further notice.

00:04:49.000 Not unless the statistics really start to show such a major uptick that we're not just talking about the curve exceeding the medical community's capacity to deal with coronavirus, but we start talking about mass death and the kinds of numbers that sort of the worst case scenarios have posited.

00:05:03.000 And right now, people are looking at the COVID-19 maps, and they're saying to themselves, okay, like really, and this is not, I think, unrealistic.

00:05:11.000 Again, none of this is an argument not to stay home right now if you can, not to wash, not to not wash your hands.

00:05:16.000 Obviously, you should be doing the social, you should do all of these things.

00:05:18.000 The point I'm making is there has to be a midterm or long-term plan, or even the short-term plan is going to fail.

00:05:24.000 Again, to go back to the diet analogy, if you want this diet to work, you're gonna have to tell people when they can relax the diet.

00:05:29.000 You're gonna have to tell people when we come out of this and what life is gonna look like when you come out the other side of this.

00:05:34.000 If instead it's like, okay, we're in an emergency situation until further notice, at a certain point people are gonna be like, no, that's not going to work.

00:05:41.000 Sort of like the episode of 30 Rock where Liz Lemon is on a plane, she's dating Matt Damon's character who's a pilot at the time.

00:05:46.000 She's on a plane and the plane isn't taking off for hours at a time.

00:05:48.000 Matt Damon keeps getting on the Horn every 45 minutes and saying 45 minutes to take off and eventually Liz Lemon goes to the cockpit and she says, wait a second, it's been three hours.

00:05:56.000 Yeah, we just keep telling people 45 minutes and she ends up leading an uprising on the plane against Matt Damon. 1.00

00:06:01.000 That's what you're going to see.

00:06:02.000 You're going to see people basically say screw it.

00:06:05.000 Like really, I'm just going to go out.

00:06:06.000 I'm going to live my life.

00:06:07.000 I'm trapped at home.

00:06:08.000 I have no job now.

00:06:09.000 What do you expect me to do?

00:06:11.000 And that's not completely unrealistic.

00:06:13.000 Right now, people are looking at the global pandemic and they're saying there have been, according to Johns Hopkins, 223,000 cases confirmed and about 9,100 deaths confirmed on a planet of 7 billion people.

00:06:27.000 And in the United States, we are currently looking at somewhere around 10,000 cases and south of 200 deaths.

00:06:33.000 And if those numbers do not spike dramatically, forget about whether this is right or wrong or the incapacity of people to understand exponential thinking and the fact that this thing could multiply pretty quickly, which of course it obviously could.

00:06:45.000 If people look at this, and we are at the end of March, and there have been less than 500 deaths in the United States, or less than 1,000 deaths in the United States, and we have started to level off in terms of the number of cases that we are seeing diagnosed each and every day, then there's going to be a real push for people to get back to work.

00:07:00.000 Because this is not, and if the government does not set out exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it, and when we can expect this thing to relax, people are going to take matters into their own hands.

00:07:09.000 Because these measures are extraordinarily restrictive.

00:07:14.000 And you can be extraordinarily restrictive for a short period of time.

00:07:16.000 You cannot do it in a free country for a long period of time.

00:07:19.000 Not again when you're talking about destroying the economy to the tune of, according to J.P.

00:07:23.000 Morgan, a negative 14% growth rate in Q2, which is unprecedented in American history, including during wartime.

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00:09:02.000 Okay, so it's particularly true the government needs to come up with a timeline considering the fact that China is now reporting zero community infections.

00:09:10.000 Right, so what that suggests is that we are now looking at the possibility of seriously tamping this thing down.

00:09:15.000 Now, it is worthwhile noting here that there are a bunch of other countries that are seeing secondary spikes.

00:09:20.000 So Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, all of which looked to have had this thing under control.

00:09:24.000 When people are coming back into their country with coronavirus, the thing is spiking again.

00:09:28.000 But so far, at least if China's not lying, which who the hell knows, honestly, China's reporting zero local infections, which is a major turning point according to the New York Times.

00:09:36.000 For the first time since the coronavirus, Crisis began.

00:09:39.000 China on Thursday reported no new local infections for the previous day, a milestone in its costly battle with the outbreak that has since become a pandemic upending daily life economic activity around the world.

00:09:49.000 Apple has reopened all of its stores in China.

00:09:52.000 Officials said 34 new coronavirus cases had been confirmed, all involving people who had come to China from elsewhere.

00:09:58.000 In signaling that an end to China's epidemic might be in sight, the announcement could pave the way for officials to focus more on reviving the country's economy, which nearly ground to a halt after the government imposed travel restrictions and quarantine measures.

00:10:08.000 In recent days, economic life has been resuming in fits and starts.

00:10:12.000 According to the New York Times, experts say it will need to see at least 14 consecutive days without new infections for the outbreak to be considered truly over.

00:10:19.000 It still remains to be seen whether the virus will re-emerge once daily life restarts and travel restrictions are lifted around the country.

00:10:26.000 And that's going to be the big question, right?

00:10:27.000 I mean, if this thing just re-crops up, if it keeps cropping up continuously, at a certain point people are going to have to go back to work, and we're going to have to live with the results of people going back to work.

00:10:37.000 So hopefully what we're doing right now is buying time in the United States to build more ICU beds, to make sure that everybody has their medical masks, We are ensuring that the resources that are necessary to raise the bar on medical care are available.

00:10:50.000 That's what we're doing.

00:10:51.000 We're buying time.

00:10:51.000 We are not actually preventing the spread of the disease beyond a certain point, because when everybody goes back to work, presumably, people are going to start spreading coronavirus again.

00:10:59.000 Ben Cowling, professor and head of the Division of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at Hong Kong University School of Public Health.

00:11:04.000 He says, it's very clear the actions taken in China have almost brought to an end their first wave of infections.

00:11:09.000 The question is, what will happen if there's a second wave?

00:11:11.000 Because the kind of measures China has implemented are not necessarily sustainable in the long term.

00:11:16.000 Which, of course, is sort of the point that I'm making here.

00:11:18.000 The measures we're taking here are not sustainable in the long term, which does raise the question as to what everything looks like on the other side of this.

00:11:27.000 And meanwhile, in the United States, obviously, we are seeing spikes in the number of diagnosed cases.

00:11:33.000 That makes sense, because we are seeing spikes in the number of tests that are available.

00:11:35.000 New York City did something like 7,000 tests yesterday, so it's not a big surprise that you saw a spike in the number of cases identified in New York.

00:11:42.000 There's apparently a huge spike in the Brooklyn Hasidic community.

00:11:45.000 More than 100 people testing positive in two neighborhoods, all at two urgent care centers, crammed with worried families, according to the New York Times.

00:11:52.000 Health officials expressed growing alarm on Wednesday that the coronavirus is spreading quickly in tightly-knit Hasidic Jewish communities in Brooklyn, saying they're investigating a spike in confirmed cases in recent days, which is one of the reasons... Guys, listen.

00:12:02.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew, too. 1.00

00:12:04.000 Like, don't go to mass weddings, you idiots. 1.00

00:12:06.000 Stop it. 1.00

00:12:07.000 Okay?

00:12:07.000 Anybody who's doing that sort of stuff?

00:12:08.000 Of any religion.

00:12:09.000 Like, stop.

00:12:10.000 Stop! 1.00

00:12:11.000 Okay, now is the time when you actually want to allow the government to increase the number of beds available, allow the private sector to increase the number of masks available, right?

00:12:19.000 All we are doing is buying time, so let the time be bought.

00:12:23.000 Don't ignore the warnings and go out and party it up at a wedding in somebody's backyard.

00:12:26.000 I saw tape of that yesterday floating around.

00:12:28.000 Like, just don't do that.

00:12:30.000 Okay, it is one thing to go overboard, like some people are doing, saying, don't go to a park, even if you're doing social, like, go out to a park, socially distance, all that's good.

00:12:37.000 Do not interact in exactly all the normal ways of a park.

00:12:41.000 Forum was last week.

00:12:42.000 Okay, there was a party down the block.

00:12:44.000 And this is before sort of everybody had decided that we were all gonna go into quarantine, effectively.

00:12:49.000 And I turned to my wife and my parents, and I said, I think that's a bad idea.

00:12:53.000 And we ended up not going.

00:12:54.000 Instead, we just did something in our house.

00:12:55.000 Like, just do that.

00:12:56.000 Okay, just do that.

00:12:58.000 More than 100 people have recently tested positive for coronavirus in Borough Park and Williamsburg, two Brooklyn neighborhoods with sizable Hasidic Jewish populations.

00:13:05.000 All of them tested at two urgent care centers that have been crowded with anxious patients, according to an urgent care center employee.

00:13:11.000 On Tuesday, Bill de Blasio said that the city would begin to increase its testing capacity from the current level of several hundred tests a day.

00:13:17.000 The increase would start on Thursday, with the expectation of reaching the goal of 5,000 tests a day after several days.

00:13:23.000 De Blasio said that there were no known clusters of coronavirus in the city, but there are certainly clusters in certain areas of Brooklyn, apparently.

00:13:30.000 Meanwhile, there's also breaking news.

00:13:33.000 That a number of people who have come up with coronavirus and are now being hospitalized are under the age of 54.

00:13:41.000 They're saying that 40% of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were aged 20 to 54.

00:13:45.000 But for all of the talk about the serious consequences to young people, and there are some serious consequences.

00:13:49.000 You've seen decreased lung capacity in some young people, for example.

00:13:52.000 The fact is this remains still a disease that is basically killing off older people.

00:13:56.000 The proof coming, not courtesy of the United States, but coming courtesy Instead of Italy, where there are studies demonstrating that literally 99% of people dying from the virus had other illnesses, according to the Italian government.

00:14:09.000 Bloomberg reported this yesterday.

00:14:11.000 More than 99% of Italy's coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country's national health authority.

00:14:18.000 After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

00:14:27.000 Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte's government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beginning the beginning of April.

00:14:32.000 Apparently, they're going to do this.

00:14:34.000 Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.

00:14:38.000 More than 75% of the people who have died in Italy had high blood pressure, 35% had diabetes, a third suffered from heart disease.

00:14:46.000 The median age of those infected was 63.

00:14:48.000 The median age of death was 80.5.

00:14:51.000 That's the median age of death.

00:14:53.000 The average age is 79.5.

00:14:55.000 So this is still a disease that is almost entirely killing old people and people with pre-existing conditions.

00:15:02.000 That does not mean we shouldn't take it seriously if we're young.

00:15:04.000 I mean, you can be a carrier of this thing, of course.

00:15:07.000 But the fact remains that if we have done all we can do in terms of increasing our medical capacity, Then, and that has not happened yet, as we're about to discuss.

00:15:19.000 If we get to the point where we have maxed out our medical capacity, at that point, people are gonna start going to work and sort of the chips are gonna fall where they may.

00:15:26.000 That's just the realistic nature of this thing.

00:15:29.000 Now with that said, we are still running way behind with regard to testing.

00:15:33.000 We are still running way behind with regard to beds.

00:15:35.000 We're still running way behind with regard to face masks.

00:15:38.000 We're gonna get to all of that in one second.

00:15:40.000 We're gonna talk about how the federal government did indeed screw this thing up.

00:15:44.000 And how the fact is the private industry is now having to fill the gap.

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00:17:02.000 Alrighty, well, as I say, the medical shortages are continuing.

00:17:05.000 The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Are now attempting to give people information about what they can do to replace face masks if they are short on face masks.

00:17:17.000 They have contingency and crisis strategies.

00:17:21.000 Their contingency capacity strategies include extended use of face masks, so wearing the same face mask for repeated close contact encounters with several different parties without removing the face mask between patient encounters.

00:17:34.000 The face mask should be removed and discarded if soiled, damaged, or hard to breathe through, according to the CDC.

00:17:39.000 Also, restrict face masks to use by health care professionals rather than patients for source control.

00:17:45.000 And finally, they are suggesting that not only should you possibly implement limited reuse of face masks, which apparently is being done at hospitals, they're suggesting other different options, including using a face shield that covers the entire front that extends to the chin or below and the sides of the face with no face mask, considering the use of ventilated headboards, or using homemade masks.

00:18:08.000 They say in settings where face masks are not available, healthcare professionals might use homemade masks like bandanas or scarves For care of patients with COVID-19 is a last resort.

00:18:16.000 Homemade masks are not considered patient safe since their capability to protect is unknown.

00:18:21.000 Caution should be exercised when considering this option.

00:18:23.000 Homemade masks should ideally be used in combination with a face shield that covers the entire front and sides of the face.

00:18:29.000 Obviously, the fact that the CDC is issuing such guidance tells you something about exactly how far behind we are on all of this.

00:18:36.000 Meanwhile, there are serious questions to be asked about why the tests were not available.

00:18:42.000 As I say, South Korea, on a per capita basis, the United States is testing far less than nearly any industrialized country.

00:18:49.000 And that is due to failures by the CDC and the federal government.

00:18:52.000 The CDC turned down testing kits from the WHO.

00:18:55.000 They said they'd develop their own, and then it turns out that they were giving all sorts of false positives and maybe even some false negatives.

00:19:01.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, when cases of the new coronavirus began emerging several weeks ago in California, Washington, and other pockets of the country, U.S.

00:19:08.000 public health officials worried this might be the big one, according to emails and interviews.

00:19:11.000 The testing program they rolled out to combat it, though, was a small one.

00:19:15.000 Limited testing has blinded Americans to the scale of the outbreak so far, impeding the nation's ability to fight the virus through isolating the sick and their contacts, according to public health officials.

00:19:23.000 As of early on Wednesday, about 6,500 people in the United States had tested positive.

00:19:28.000 By the way, it is now Thursday, obviously, and we're talking about north of 10,000.

00:19:31.000 The CDC and prevention had reported only about 32,000 tests conducted at its facilities and other public health labs.

00:19:39.000 Limited testing was keeping patients in the dark despite recent improvements.

00:19:43.000 People are coming in with the symptoms of coronavirus and they are being told that they actually should not be tested unless they know they were in contact with someone with coronavirus.

00:19:50.000 But the problem is that nobody's been tested for coronavirus, so how the hell do you know if you're in contact with somebody who has coronavirus?

00:19:57.000 While the virus was quietly spreading within the United States, the CDC had told state and local officials its testing capacity is more than adequate to meet current testing demands, according to a February 26th agency email viewed by the Wall Street Journal.

00:20:09.000 The agency's data show it tested fewer than 100 patients that day.

00:20:13.000 Some people are going to be fired for this, and should be fired for this.

00:20:15.000 When the CDC first dispersed test kits in early February, it shipped them to a network of state and local government labs and restricted testing to people with virus symptoms who had recently traveled to China, but it was already weeks too late for that.

00:20:27.000 Federal officials hope the virus could be contained, even as they disputed alarms from those on the front lines that CDC's guidelines weren't keeping up with the outbreak's spread, according to emails between the U.S.

00:20:36.000 agency and local officials.

00:20:37.000 And there are people who are going to blame the Trump administration for this, but it just demonstrates that when you have a very thick bureaucracy, that people tend to cover their own asses, which is something that, obviously, we already knew.

00:20:49.000 The narrow effort is a failing, said Anthony Fauci.

00:20:51.000 Government doctors become the de facto face of the Trump administration coronavirus response.

00:20:55.000 While problems clearly still persist, more labs are beginning to do tests.

00:20:59.000 Manufacturers are ramping up production.

00:21:01.000 CDC officials botched an initial test kit developed in an agency lab, retracting many tests.

00:21:06.000 They resisted calls from state officials and medical providers to broaden testing.

00:21:09.000 Health officials failed to coordinate with outside companies to ensure needed test kit supplies, like nasal swabs and chemical reagents, would be available, according to suppliers and health officials.

00:21:18.000 When the FDA finally opened testing to more outside labs, a run on limited stocks of some supplies needed for the CDC-developed tests quickly depleted stores, according to lab operators and suppliers.

00:21:29.000 Hospital and commercial lab operators said the government didn't reach out to enlist their help until it was too late.

00:21:35.000 So, obviously, this continues to be a giant failing.

00:21:38.000 Now, we are ramping up the testing, and that is a good thing.

00:21:40.000 If we do wish to move, as I've said at the outset, from the sort of Chinese model of lock everything down to the South Korean model of we've got to test as many people as humanly possible, and then lock down the people who have this thing, then the testing regimen is going to have to be a lot larger.

00:21:54.000 And we're late on this, but we are getting the tests out.

00:21:59.000 Now, with that said, there are serious questions to be asked about whether even the South Korean response is going to be sufficient, considering the fact that South Korea may be experiencing a secondary spike.

00:22:09.000 As soon as people are entering South Korea again, it's possible that South Korea sees a secondary spike.

00:22:15.000 As I mentioned earlier, we are seeing second waves of the virus that are breaking out All across Asia.

00:22:22.000 Experts are warning of second waves all across Asia.

00:22:26.000 So if that happens, the question is going to be whether testing is going to be sufficient.

00:22:30.000 Which really means that in the end, what we're gonna have to deal with is the sad reality that maybe the best we can do is just mitigate the effects of this thing, meaning we develop better treatments.

00:22:39.000 There's some people who've been saying that anti-malarial treatments might work.

00:22:41.000 There was some hope that anti-HIV treatments would work.

00:22:43.000 Those apparently have failed.

00:22:45.000 Anti-malarial treatments are now being tested.

00:22:48.000 There's gonna be a lot of talk about ICU beds and ventilators.

00:22:50.000 All of that is perfectly appropriate.

00:22:52.000 It is possible that testing is not going to be the cure-all that a lot of people seem to think that it is.

00:22:59.000 Again, the reason for that, we'll explain in just one minute.

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00:24:22.000 Okay, so as I say, one of the reasons that mitigation Might in the end be the only thing that is available to us is because even an additional testing regimen has its downsides.

00:24:33.000 There's a good piece by my friend Sean Trend over at RealClearPolitics all about the perils of mass coronavirus testing.

00:24:39.000 He says, test kit availability aside, there are crucial issues to consider.

00:24:41.000 For example, so long as the background level of infection is low, there are real downsides to mass testing and good reasons to limit testing to individuals who show symptoms or have been in contact with people who have shown symptoms.

00:24:51.000 The problem is that when the overall level of infection is low, the overwhelming majority of your positive test results from mass testing will be false positives.

00:24:58.000 So maybe the regimen that was put in place in the United States actually would be preferable once we have the beds in place rather than the mass testing and then the mass quarantine of people who show up positive.

00:25:08.000 Here is the reason.

00:25:09.000 Because let's say, for example, that you have a test in which there is a false positive rate of 1 in 10.

00:25:19.000 There's a thread from Dr. Sterling Herring at Vanderbilt University talking about this.

00:25:24.000 So what happens if everybody is tested?

00:25:26.000 If tests were perfect, that would be great.

00:25:28.000 But nearly all tests come with errors.

00:25:29.000 The quick test used in South Korean drive-thrus generates an error roughly 1 in 10 times.

00:25:34.000 So let's assume that we tested everyone with a 90% accurate test.

00:25:38.000 So you'd end up with a set of results in which, let's say that you tested 100,000 people who actually have coronavirus.

00:25:46.000 Okay, you know that they have coronavirus.

00:25:48.000 What you'd end up with is 90,000 positive tests and 10,000 negative tests.

00:25:52.000 Okay, now, let's say that you test a million people, right?

00:25:56.000 Or 10 million people.

00:25:59.000 If you test 10 million people, a huge number of people, like you test everybody, the number of false positives actually is going to vastly outweigh the number of true positives.

00:26:09.000 Because again, most of the people who have the virus are going to get a positive reading, but the people who don't have illness, 10% of those people are going to get a positive reading too.

00:26:18.000 Since there are far more people that don't have the virus than do have it, a 10% error group for that rate overwhelms the 90% accuracy rate for the group that does have it.

00:26:25.000 So you end up with a scenario where literally 93% of the people who test positive for a disease do not in fact have the disease.

00:26:32.000 So this can certainly skew your data because you could see the relatively low mortality rate and assume that that's real.

00:26:39.000 Because the problem with widespread testing, a lot of people who test positive won't actually have had the disease in the first place.

00:26:43.000 Second, it gives people a false sense of confidence because that low death rate means, okay, fine, maybe I'll just go out and play.

00:26:49.000 And finally, you're gonna end up with a situation in which a lot of people are kept home who are actually healthy.

00:26:55.000 So maybe mass testing is not in fact a panacea, depending on whether or not these tests are supremely accurate.

00:27:04.000 And if there's a second wave, then even the South Korean sort of solution may not work, which means in the end, the lockdown policies are bound to do not, they cannot be long term.

00:27:13.000 There is no lockdown policy that is long term, and it's possible that even a mass testing regimen Statistically speaking, cannot be a long-term solution.

00:27:20.000 And this is certainly the case when you're talking about locking down the economy to the extent that we have.

00:27:25.000 So let's talk about the federal government's response to all of this.

00:27:27.000 Let's talk about the federal government, which is now intervening on an unprecedented scale in the financial community, in the economy.

00:27:36.000 Now, there are a lot of people who have been saying, I've been getting a lot of emails, you're a libertarian, why aren't you protesting at the government getting this solved in the economy?

00:27:42.000 Because what we have here is essentially a regulatory taking.

00:27:45.000 So under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment, you cannot seize private property for public use without just compensation when you effectively shut down every business in the country by executive fiat.

00:27:56.000 Through mayors, or through states, or through the federal government.

00:27:59.000 You are preventing people from using their property.

00:28:01.000 You're effectively taking their property from them and the ability to use their property from them without any sort of just compensation.

00:28:07.000 This is not the situation when there's sort of just a normal economic downturn, or when the market just collapses for no externality-driven reason.

00:28:16.000 In this particular case, it's not even the disease that's shutting down the economy, per se.

00:28:19.000 The disease would have an impact on the economy.

00:28:21.000 But if we were all going to work right now, the stock market wouldn't have dropped 33%.

00:28:25.000 The stock market wouldn't have dropped from $30,000 down below $20,000.

00:28:30.000 One of the reasons all this is happening is specifically because governments around the world have forcibly stepped in and shut down businesses from operating.

00:28:37.000 So, the government's shoring things up, or at least freezing things in place, until such time as people can get back to work makes some sense.

00:28:43.000 Again, they can't seize your property without just compensation.

00:28:46.000 Just compensation, presumably, would include ensuring the economy continues to work and your business doesn't fail while the government forces you to close.

00:28:52.000 So, President Trump put out a message yesterday.

00:28:53.000 He said, we will prevail together.

00:28:55.000 Again, that's a good message to be putting out there.

00:28:58.000 A timeline, as I'm going to continue to discuss in just a moment.

00:28:58.000 Here's what we need.

00:29:01.000 You've heard it a thousand times.

00:29:04.000 Wash your hands. 0.95

00:29:05.000 Good hygiene.

00:29:06.000 All of that.

00:29:07.000 But social distancing.

00:29:09.000 Keep away.

00:29:10.000 It's going to have no place to go.

00:29:12.000 And I just want to thank you.

00:29:13.000 As president, I want to thank you for the incredible job you're all doing.

00:29:17.000 There's spirit in our country like never before.

00:29:20.000 We are really, we've pulled together as a unit.

00:29:22.000 We've pulled together as a country.

00:29:24.000 We will prevail together.

00:29:26.000 We love the USA.

00:29:28.000 Okay, well, I'm sure we all do.

00:29:31.000 The president also says we're unleashing the full power of the federal government, which of course is true.

00:29:35.000 The question is, for how long?

00:29:37.000 Because the bottom line is this, if you are at all concerned about government power, which I'm a conservative, I am, This stuff better be temporary.

00:29:44.000 There's a long history in the United States of crises being used to massively grow government, then the government never goes back to its original boundaries, which is why we have to be pretty careful about the sort of measures we implement, and we have to be pretty clear that these measures are designed to sunset as soon as the lockdown is over.

00:29:58.000 Here's President Trump talking about the extent of the federal government's response.

00:30:02.000 We're using the full power of government in response to the Chinese virus.

00:30:08.000 I declare the state of national emergency that we'll make up to $50 billion in disaster relief funds available, which we can use to assist hospitals, which, as you know, we need.

00:30:20.000 Okay, all of that is true.

00:30:21.000 So what exactly is in the relief bills that have been signed so far?

00:30:24.000 So yesterday, President Trump signed a bill providing paid sick leave, free testing, and other benefits.

00:30:28.000 According to the New York Times, a relief package to provide sick leave, unemployment benefits, free coronavirus testing, and food and medical aid to people affected by the pandemic was signed into law by President Trump on Wednesday evening after the Senate passed it by a wide margin.

00:30:39.000 It was approved in the House last week.

00:30:41.000 The Senate vote was 90-8 after the Majority Leader, Senator Mitch McConnell, urged conservatives who disliked the bill to gag and vote for it anyway.

00:30:49.000 He says we have to do something.

00:30:50.000 This is one of the dangers of politics is that the urgent often defeats the good, meaning that those who are calling for immediate action, they're not wrong.

00:30:59.000 We do need immediate action right now to shore up the economy, make sure that people aren't going to go hungry, make sure that people continue to be able to live in their homes.

00:31:05.000 All that has to happen.

00:31:06.000 The problem is that when you have an emergency situation, that is also a fantastic time.

00:31:10.000 As Rahm Emanuel once put it, never let a good crisis go to waste.

00:31:13.000 It's also a great time to load up bills with enormous levels of pork and then hope that everybody just goes along with it because the political cost of not going along with it is a lot higher than just signing the check for the moment.

00:31:24.000 Lawmakers are already drafting another economic stabilization package that would send direct payments to taxpayers and provide loans to businesses.

00:31:31.000 McConnell said we're moving rapidly because the situation demands it.

00:31:34.000 There's an outline of the new package.

00:31:35.000 It calls for a total of $1 trillion in spending.

00:31:38.000 That would include $50 billion for secured loans for the airline industry, not grants, right?

00:31:42.000 Loans to the airline industry, which presumably they will have to pay back.

00:31:44.000 another $150 billion for secured loans or loan guarantees for other parts of the economy.

00:31:49.000 It would allow the Exchange Stabilization Fund, an emergency reserve account, usually used for currency market interventions, to be tapped to cover the costs.

00:31:56.000 It would also temporarily guarantee money market mutual funds.

00:31:59.000 The Treasury Department proposal calls for two rounds of checks sent directly to American taxpayers April 6th and May 18th.

00:32:06.000 Payments would depend on the recipient's income and family size.

00:32:08.000 According to the summary, each round would disperse $250 billion.

00:32:13.000 Now, again, these big bailouts are basically designed to keep everybody afloat for the moment.

00:32:18.000 But the temptation is going to be from the government, keep these things permanent.

00:32:23.000 This is why you're seeing so many people suggest that a $2,000 one-time payout is equivalent to Andrew Yang's $1,000 a month payment to everybody forever.

00:32:31.000 These two things are different and everybody should make very clear in their minds that these two things are different.

00:32:35.000 These are not the same.

00:32:38.000 You cannot claim that a permanent program is the same as a temporary program, nor should conservatives be sucked into thinking that a permanent program is the same as a temporary program.

00:32:46.000 Lincoln suspended habeas corpus.

00:32:47.000 That was not a permanent feature of American life.

00:32:49.000 FDR violated nearly every rule of American civil liberties during World War II.

00:32:53.000 That was not a permanent feature of American life.

00:32:55.000 None of this should become a permanent feature of American life in times of good economic health because it does provide disincentive to work.

00:33:01.000 Now, the problem right now is that there is no work to be had because the federal government has shut everything down, and so have the state and local governments.

00:33:07.000 It is one thing for the state and local governments to rectify their breach by preventing the entire economy from collapsing when they're the ones who are causing this in the first place.

00:33:15.000 It is another thing for the federal governments and the state governments to simply create a whole new set of incentives during a non-time of crisis, which is, I think, what people want.

00:33:25.000 It's why Republicans, I think correctly, are bucking against the Democratic attempts to force small businesses forever to pay for paid sick leave.

00:33:34.000 The reason being, who's not going to take the paid sick leave if you can take the paid sick leave every year?

00:33:39.000 Of course, you just raise the cost on businesses.

00:33:41.000 Now, in a time like this, I still think it's not great policy.

00:33:45.000 I think that if the government wants to pay for that, the government can pay for that, and they can borrow on that basis, and we'll pay for it later.

00:33:50.000 Forcing small businesses to pay paid sick leave when they barely, I mean, they can't even cover their employees.

00:33:55.000 I mean, people are getting furloughed right now.

00:33:56.000 You're actually causing people to get fired.

00:33:58.000 But even if you were to be in favor of it right now, that doesn't mean that you should be in favor of it permanently.

00:34:03.000 Again, the sort of libertarian conservative case here is when the federal government shuts down businesses, they need to compensate businesses for shutting them down.

00:34:10.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second, what these policies look like.

00:34:15.000 And then we will ask, again, how long is this gonna last?

00:34:19.000 What do the policies look like in the future?

00:34:20.000 And we'll get to the media's laser-like focus on the real issue here, which is why are we calling it the Chinese virus? 0.97

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00:36:07.000 Okay, we're going to get to more of the proposals being put forward by the federal government.

00:36:10.000 Are they permanent or are they temporary?

00:36:12.000 That makes a very large difference.

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00:37:27.000 So according to the New York Times, entire sectors of the American economy are shutting down, threatening to crush businesses, put millions of people out of work, forcing lawmakers to consider a vast financial bailout that would dwarf the federal government's response to the 2008 crisis again. forcing lawmakers to consider a vast financial bailout that would One of the reasons this is appropriate is because it's the government that is causing this.

00:37:48.000 Now, I'm not saying that it's unjustified what the government is doing.

00:37:52.000 As I've suggested, it's justified so long as there is a plan after the next two weeks, next three weeks.

00:37:56.000 If there's no plan, then it is unjustified.

00:37:58.000 If the government has no plan, if we have not upped our resources, if all we've done is destroy the world economy to buy us no time and to not fix anything and to not increase our capacity, then this was a complete waste.

00:38:08.000 But if we've actually bought some time, if we have flattened the curve in some way, if we have increased our medical capacity, well then maybe this all will have been worth it, at least to a large extent.

00:38:19.000 But that doesn't mean that the government gets to shut down your business and then not compensate you for shutting down your business when you haven't violated the law in any way.

00:38:27.000 Economists fear that by the time the coronavirus pandemic subsides and economic activity resumes, entire industries could be wiped out.

00:38:32.000 Proprietors across the country could lose their businesses.

00:38:34.000 Millions of workers could find themselves jobless.

00:38:36.000 That, of course, is true. 0.83

00:38:37.000 And it's one of the reasons why we should carefully consider exactly the measures that we're taking with an eye toward what's going to happen in a month.

00:38:44.000 If we're doing this by the seat of our pants, day by day, that is not going to cut it.

00:38:48.000 There had better be a plan.

00:38:50.000 If you're talking about wrecking the world economy, there'd better be a plan.

00:38:53.000 It's funny, there are people out there, particularly in Twitter world, who say, if you even mention the economy at this time, you're not taking human lives seriously enough.

00:39:00.000 Would you care more about dollars and GDP or human life?

00:39:03.000 Let's be clear about this.

00:39:04.000 People losing their jobs, that actually affects human life.

00:39:08.000 People losing the businesses they've invested their life savings in, that kind of affects human life.

00:39:12.000 Millions and millions of people losing their jobs all at once in a massive shock to the economy?

00:39:16.000 That's going to have some real-life ramifications for all the people who lose their jobs, and their children, and their spouses, and the people they care about.

00:39:23.000 So let's not pretend there are no costs on the other side.

00:39:26.000 And let's not pretend that there are no cost calculations when it comes to calibrating strategy properly.

00:39:30.000 One of the things that is always bad policy is when you say, if only it would save one life.

00:39:33.000 Yeah, if it would only save one life, then we'd cut out all cars.

00:39:36.000 Again, none of this is to argue.

00:39:38.000 That we shouldn't be taking the measures we're taking right now.

00:39:40.000 Maybe we should.

00:39:41.000 But there had better... I keep saying it over and over.

00:39:43.000 I'm going to keep saying it.

00:39:44.000 There better be a plan on the other side.

00:39:46.000 That plan had better involve vastly increased capacity to deal with this.

00:39:50.000 It better involve some mitigating technologies.

00:39:52.000 It better involve better testing facilities.

00:39:55.000 And it better involve people getting back to work as soon as possible.

00:39:58.000 Because this cannot, this cannot maintain.

00:40:01.000 And there's been some talk from doctors about what's going to happen over the next 12 to 18 months.

00:40:05.000 Are we going to go through periodic rounds of sort of area shutdowns if there's an outbreak?

00:40:09.000 Maybe that has to happen, but the question is the broad overarching consequences of all of this. 0.72

00:40:15.000 And so, Washington can take on debt, but it can't take on debt forever, and it does demonstrate, by the way, that we are idiots to take on $22 trillion of debt for no reason over the past 40 years. 0.95

00:40:24.000 Geniuses all. 0.97

00:40:25.000 Now we actually need to max out the credit card, and we've been busy maxing it out on garbage that we bought on eBay.

00:40:32.000 To blunt the fallout, Washington is weighing proposals that could easily top $2 trillion, a staggering jump from the initial $8.3 billion virus responsibility lawmakers approved this month.

00:40:42.000 That does include that $1 trillion request that President Trump was making.

00:40:46.000 The Republicans are also weighing a separate proposal that would extend a trillion dollars in assistance to small businesses to keep them afloat during the outbreak and keep workers on their payrolls.

00:40:54.000 I don't truly like the idea of the federal government giving direct loans to small businesses, honestly, because the federal government has an interest then in making sure that nobody pays all that back.

00:41:03.000 Who's going to be the person who enforces that?

00:41:05.000 Instead, the federal government should be giving loans to the banks that underwrite all these small businesses and floating them loans at basically 0% interest and telling them they only get those loans if they don't call in the loans right now.

00:41:15.000 And that would be the best way to calibrate all of this.

00:41:17.000 So, that is sort of the situation where we stand.

00:41:22.000 All of this needs to be temporary.

00:41:23.000 We do need to get back to normal.

00:41:24.000 And back to normal is a thing that has to happen.

00:41:26.000 There's got to be a plan for this.

00:41:28.000 I'm not the only person asking this question.

00:41:29.000 I think everybody is asking this question at this point.

00:41:32.000 The Associated Press has a piece today called, How Long Will Americans Be Fighting the Coronavirus?

00:41:36.000 Scientists say there isn't a simple answer.

00:41:38.000 Stephen Morse, disease researcher at Columbia says, In many ways, the situation is unprecedented.

00:41:42.000 We're trying to take some actions to curb the spread and timing of the pandemic.

00:41:46.000 He says there have been past disease outbreaks scientists can draw lessons from, but in those cases the disease was largely allowed to run its course so the models don't precisely apply.

00:41:54.000 This is correct, obviously.

00:41:56.000 I mean, the fact is that if we didn't care about human life, which of course we do, then we would allow the disease to run its course, it would wipe out whoever it wipes out, and people would just continue to operate as normal.

00:42:05.000 The whole point of this is presumably that we are going to prevent the loss of life.

00:42:09.000 But the question is how you best minimize loss of life without also destroying an economy that sustains life.

00:42:16.000 What do you think happens in impoverished countries that are reliant on the world economy in order to feed people?

00:42:22.000 People in the United States will still get fed for a 12 to 18 month period of time.

00:42:25.000 That is not true in countries that are in the developing world or in the undeveloped world.

00:42:30.000 On Monday, President Trump said the U.S.

00:42:31.000 may be managing the outbreak through July or August.

00:42:34.000 New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said the state's number of coronavirus cases may peak, not end, in 45 days.

00:42:40.000 Each model of how the disease could spread relies on data and assumptions about population dynamics, demographics, healthcare capacity, and other factors, according to Rebecca Katz, public health expert at Georgetown.

00:42:50.000 The challenge for designing models of what will happen next is that limited testing for COVID-19 means researchers don't even know what the starting point is, how many people are already infected.

00:42:59.000 So how long is this thing actually going to last?

00:43:02.000 Well, Mark Jitt, disease researcher at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, says the point of the restrictions we have is actually to stretch this out even longer.

00:43:11.000 We don't want a big peak to come very quickly.

00:43:14.000 So how does this end?

00:43:15.000 Most scientists believe that the fight against COVID-19 won't be over until there's an effective vaccine, but that could take more than a year.

00:43:21.000 The best case scenario, according to JIT, is that we have a vaccine in 12 or 18 months, our lives go back to normal.

00:43:26.000 The worst case scenario is it takes a long time for a vaccine to be developed.

00:43:29.000 The world has really changed.

00:43:30.000 Our lives aren't the same again, ever.

00:43:31.000 But nobody thinks that we're going to be shut-ins forever.

00:43:33.000 Nobody thinks that's going to happen.

00:43:34.000 Michael Levy, University of Pennsylvania disease researcher, he says, I don't think we can maintain social distancing as it is right now for the duration of the epidemic.

00:43:42.000 That obviously is true. 0.99

00:43:43.000 I mean, you have idiots in Florida who are out partying on the beaches, like, right now. 1.00

00:43:47.000 You think they're gonna last another... another... year? 1.00

00:43:50.000 I mean, like, really.

00:43:52.000 They're not gonna last another five minutes.

00:43:54.000 Well, maybe more feasible is intermittent restrictions and enhanced monitoring to control the disease.

00:43:59.000 Once the number of new cases falls below a certain threshold, schools, offices, restaurants could reopen.

00:44:03.000 If the number of infections spikes again, restrictions would be reinstated.

00:44:05.000 It's going to be very difficult to reinstate restrictions after the restrictions come off, is part of the problem here.

00:44:12.000 Bouncing around between restricted and non-restrictive is going to be very difficult.

00:44:16.000 And this is particularly true when you look at the data.

00:44:19.000 Holman Jenkins over at the Wall Street Journal has a piece today talking specifically about the statistics on coronavirus and what exactly are the costs that we are willing to undergo as an economy in order to minimize an unspecified number of deaths.

00:44:32.000 We actually don't know the answers to how many deaths are actually being prevented right now.

00:44:36.000 Holman Jenkins says some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided, really delayed, but we'll be spending a lot more than we've ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths.

00:44:44.000 83% of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by healthcare.

00:44:48.000 This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

00:44:55.000 Will people put up with it once they realize they're still expected to get the virus?

00:44:59.000 Right again, this is why it really is about increasing ICU capacity.

00:45:02.000 Because if we don't increase ICU capacity and people are like, I can either get it now or I can wait and not have a job and get it later.

00:45:07.000 People can be like, I'll get it now.

00:45:09.000 Seriously, I can't tell you how many people who are in their 20s and 30s I've talked to over the past few days who have been like, if I could just get this thing right now and then be done with it, I would do it.

00:45:19.000 If I knew I wasn't going to carry it to grandma.

00:45:21.000 And that's going to be an increasing attitude as people lose their jobs.

00:45:25.000 So the questions become, if we can't actually increase capacity, if things are what they are, at that point you just have to let this thing go.

00:45:33.000 That is sort of the logic that is happening right now.

00:45:37.000 Understandably, says Holman Jenkins, politicians believe faith in government requires avoiding Italy-like scenes, but turned on its head here is the 50-year-old QALY revolution, the idea of measuring the burden of disease and benefit of healthcare based on quality-adjusted life year, typically valued at $50,000 to $150,000. 0.93

00:45:51.000 In the present instance, the cost isn't just medical intervention, like ventilator use, but the cost of an economy-wide shutdown to limit the number of candidates for ventilation at any one time.

00:46:01.000 He says, I don't know what the figure is, but the QALY value we're placing on avoiding Italy-like deaths is surely a high multiple of any figure previously considered realistic.

00:46:09.000 America's shutdown strategy is interesting because it was not a choice that any one person or authority made.

00:46:14.000 Everybody sort of jumped on board overnight.

00:46:17.000 But this can't last indefinitely is the point that Holman Jenkins is making.

00:46:21.000 And that's right, we are operating in the absence of data.

00:46:23.000 So here's the bottom line.

00:46:24.000 In several weeks, we will have data.

00:46:26.000 Once those data are there, we are going to have to make a choice about what we can do from here.

00:46:31.000 Because this just isn't sustainable.

00:46:32.000 Everybody knows it's not sustainable and the government needs to lay out.

00:46:36.000 We need to know and we need to debate openly.

00:46:38.000 What are the conditions under which we go back to normal?

00:46:41.000 What are the virus vectors under which we go back to normal?

00:46:44.000 What can we expect over the next 12 to 18 months until a vaccine is developed?

00:46:48.000 Because a permanent shutdown is not in the cards.

00:46:50.000 It is just not a thing.

00:46:52.000 It is just not a thing.

00:46:54.000 Okay, meanwhile, the media continue to carry water.

00:46:58.000 Many in the media continue to carry water for China, which is unbelievable because China is indeed responsible for the growth of this virus, for the release of this virus, not by the military or anything.

00:47:08.000 But as I mentioned yesterday, to apparently some ballyhoo online, China's refusal to shut down wet markets, which by the way are animal rights abuses.

00:47:15.000 It's amazing how many people on the left are very much against animal rights abuse.

00:47:18.000 By the way, so am I.

00:47:19.000 I saw some people like, why don't you talk about factory farming and conditions?

00:47:21.000 I have before.

00:47:22.000 Have you not listened to the show?

00:47:23.000 I've talked about how vegetarianism might actually be more moral in the end.

00:47:26.000 I mean, I have talked about this.

00:47:28.000 The wet markets in China are a disaster area.

00:47:30.000 They've been responsible for several outbreaks of different types, ranging from the so-called Asian flu of the 1950s to what we are watching right now.

00:47:39.000 The fact that China, to SARS, I mean, the fact that China has allowed this stuff to militate And then has allowed it to spread among the populations of the world is entirely China's fault. 0.96

00:47:51.000 Axios compiled an actual timeline of what the Chinese government did.

00:47:54.000 They say that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95%.

00:48:01.000 They put together this entire timeline.

00:48:05.000 And it demonstrates that the Chinese government knew, they silenced it, they refused to allow the information to spread, They lied to the WHO and said that it did not have human-to-human transmission.

00:48:16.000 They allowed tens of thousands of people to gather for events.

00:48:19.000 They allowed some 5 million people apparently to travel out of Wuhan.

00:48:25.000 China is responsible for all of this. 1.00

00:48:26.000 This hasn't stopped the media from, in their desperate hatred of Trump, trying to pretend that Trump is a racist for pointing out that China is responsible for all of this.

00:48:32.000 Here's yesterday, President Trump going at it with a reporter.

00:48:35.000 He was asked this question like four separate times.

00:48:38.000 Seriously, in all of this, your biggest concern is that we are labeling China the bad actor when, you know, China is the bad actor?

00:48:44.000 Why do you keep calling this the Chinese virus?

00:48:47.000 There are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against Chinese Americans in this country.

00:48:53.000 Your own aide, Secretary Azar, says he does not use this term.

00:48:56.000 He says ethnicity does not cause the virus.

00:48:59.000 Why do you keep using this?

00:49:01.000 A lot of people say it's racist.

00:49:01.000 Because it comes from China?

00:49:03.000 It's not racist at all, no.

00:49:04.000 Not at all.

00:49:05.000 It comes from China.

00:49:07.000 That's why.

00:49:07.000 It comes from China.

00:49:10.000 I want to be accurate.

00:49:14.000 I have great love for all of the people from our country, but as you know, China tried to say at one point, maybe they stopped now, that it was caused by American soldiers.

00:49:27.000 That can't happen.

00:49:28.000 It's not going to happen.

00:49:29.000 Not as long as I'm president.

00:49:31.000 It comes from China.

00:49:33.000 He is right about all of this.

00:49:34.000 Everything he says here is true.

00:49:36.000 It is not racist.

00:49:37.000 It is not culturally insensitive to point out that eating pangolins and bats has externalities and is a bad idea for anyone.

00:49:45.000 I don't think Americans... By the way, there are lots of things that I think are yucky. 0.95

00:49:50.000 The question is whether they cause externalities in terms of whether they should be shut down. 0.65

00:49:53.000 I think that it's gross to eat a raccoon.

00:49:55.000 I'm an Orthodox Jew.

00:49:55.000 I think most things that people eat are gross.

00:49:57.000 I keep kosher.

00:49:59.000 The reality is that China's refusal to shut down these wet markets, which are an animal rights violation, beyond which they're now a human rights violation considering how many people are going to die from this thing.

00:50:08.000 $10 trillion is going to be lost from the world economy over this whole thing.

00:50:12.000 And you got the media defending them.

00:50:13.000 NBC's Richard Engel yesterday pretending that China has nothing to do with this and that it really is just a rogue bat.

00:50:18.000 You know, it's those rogue bats going around infecting people.

00:50:21.000 I guess people were just sitting around and the bat flew in their mouth.

00:50:23.000 Weird.

00:50:24.000 There was lots and lots of scapegoating against an ethnic group or a religious group whenever there were pandemics that affected the society and frightened a lot of people.

00:50:35.000 And China certainly feels that is what is happening now with people calling it the Wuhan flu or the Wuhan virus or the China virus.

00:50:44.000 This is a virus that came from the territory of China, but came from bats.

00:50:49.000 This is a bat virus, not a China virus.

00:50:52.000 It doesn't speak Chinese. 0.85

00:50:54.000 It doesn't target Chinese people.

00:50:56.000 It targets human beings who happen to touch their eyes, nose, or mouth.

00:51:02.000 Really? 0.99

00:51:03.000 You're doing propaganda work on behalf of a Chinese government that is actively attempting to blame the West for the spread of a virus that started under its communist garbage government. 0.98

00:51:11.000 Jimmy Kimmel doing the same routine. 0.99

00:51:12.000 Dunking on Trump is more important than actually pointing out that the Chinese government is a horrific dictatorship. 0.69

00:51:17.000 Here's Jimmy Kimmel trying to blame Trump for being mean to China or something.

00:51:22.000 Trump, meanwhile, has a catchy little nickname for the coronavirus.

00:51:26.000 He now calls it the Chinese virus every chance he gets. 0.59

00:51:30.000 You know, they say a great way to prevent a virus from spreading is to name it something racist.

00:51:36.000 That way people keep it on the down low.

00:51:38.000 I don't know why he does this.

00:51:39.000 Actually, I do know why he does this.

00:51:41.000 It's to deflect blame away from him.

00:51:43.000 It's like when he started calling Eric and Don Jr.

00:51:45.000 the Ivana kids. 0.98

00:51:48.000 Ridiculous. 0.99

00:51:49.000 I'm sorry. 0.98

00:51:49.000 Ridiculous. 0.98

00:51:50.000 This is not about deflecting blame toward the Chinese government. 0.99

00:51:53.000 The Chinese government deserves the blame. 1.00

00:51:55.000 How are you guys all defending China here?

00:51:57.000 How? 0.75

00:51:58.000 What the hell is wrong with you people? 0.97

00:51:58.000 How is that possible? 0.97

00:52:00.000 Whoopi Goldberg does the same thing.

00:52:01.000 Mother Nature did this to us, not China. 0.98

00:52:03.000 Weird, because it seems like the Chinese government knew about this for like a month.

00:52:07.000 Actively censored and threatened people who ended up dying from coronavirus, released 5 million people from the Wuhan province all over the world, and knew about this the whole time.

00:52:15.000 It seems like that might have something to do with the Chinese government.

00:52:17.000 According to Whoopi Goldberg, it's just Mother Nature.

00:52:19.000 Weird how they're willing to blame Mother Nature when it comes to malaction by the Chinese government, malfeasance by the Chinese government, corruption and evil by the Chinese government.

00:52:27.000 But when it comes to climate change, that's Trump's fault.

00:52:29.000 It's the fault of human beings when it comes to climate change and lack of action, which may or may not be true.

00:52:35.000 OK, but when it comes to something that is obviously the result of Chinese governmental failures and evil, then all of a sudden, well, I guess it's just nature. 0.98

00:52:42.000 Nature just took its own course here.

00:52:43.000 Unbelievable stuff.

00:52:45.000 We keep talking about how we don't want to politicize this, which we shouldn't.

00:52:49.000 Right now it's a time to listen to doctors, look at information, look at facts, look at data.

00:52:53.000 I think by calling it the Chinese virus, that's politicizing it by title.

00:52:57.000 So I think we need to stay on calling it what it is, it's the coronavirus or COVID-19, and stay with fact.

00:53:05.000 And, you know, people, as we've seen, people start punching people, Asian folks out.

00:53:11.000 Yeah.

00:53:12.000 You know, will attack.

00:53:13.000 So we need to stop calling it or labeling it like it's they did it to us.

00:53:19.000 Mother Nature really did this to us. 1.00

00:53:22.000 OK, first of all, anybody who's going like, you know, an ignorant, stupid ass, you have to be to go around punching Asian people because you think that this is the because this thing originated in China. 1.00

00:53:29.000 Like there is no. 1.00

00:53:31.000 You're a full-scale moron if you do that sort of thing, obviously, and you should go to jail for a significant period of time. 1.00

00:53:37.000 That's called assault. 1.00

00:53:38.000 It's illegal.

00:53:39.000 But that does not change the fact that the Chinese government is— You want to call it the commie virus, I'm fine with that, too. 1.00

00:53:43.000 That's fine.

00:53:43.000 By the way, Senator Ed Markey, who is no Republican, a Democrat from Massachusetts, he says, yeah, we should hold China accountable.

00:53:49.000 Correct.

00:53:51.000 China has imposed a temporary ban on these markets, but I think that China has to be held accountable.

00:54:01.000 I think that the World Health Organization, the entire world, has to just say to China, what China did in keeping this a secret, even though they knew it was happening, is a disgrace. 0.63

00:54:14.000 It's causing panic around the world, and that is just absolutely something that the Chinese must be called to account. 1.00

00:54:26.000 Okay, that is right.

00:54:26.000 That's right.

00:54:27.000 How is it that so many people on the left are blaming this on the right when Ed Markey, who is the right-winger, is saying it's obviously true?

00:54:34.000 Okay, time for some things I like and then a quick thing that I hate.

00:54:37.000 So, things that I like today.

00:54:38.000 As I've been mentioning all show long, When a crisis hits, sometimes you have to take crisis measures.

00:54:43.000 But those crisis measures should not become permanent.

00:54:45.000 There's a great book about this by a guy named Robert Higgs.

00:54:47.000 It's called Crisis and Leviathan, Critical Episodes in the Growth of American Government.

00:54:51.000 He makes the point that there have been a series of crises over the course of American history.

00:54:55.000 They've constantly been used to maximize the size and scope of American government.

00:54:58.000 That doesn't mean the temporary measures aren't necessary.

00:55:00.000 It does mean that the temporary measures very often are not temporary.

00:55:03.000 And we should keep that in mind when it comes to the crafting of bills, when it comes to the crafting of legislation.

00:55:08.000 Do not There's no reason that we should have to sign into law at the behest of people who want to make permanent a complete relational break between the government and its citizens.

00:55:20.000 There's no reason we have to cave to that.

00:55:21.000 Instead, how about this?

00:55:22.000 How about we work on what we have to do for the next two, three months, and then we figure out what to do the two, three months after that?

00:55:28.000 Because I'll tell you what the Democrats are going to push for right now.

00:55:30.000 They're going to push for making permanent all of these changes to the American economy that are fantastic in scope and fantastical in impact.

00:55:38.000 And it's going to be a disaster area, unless we keep in mind that it is only government crackdowns that have caused what is going on right now in the economy.

00:55:46.000 Again, not unjustified, but that is the reason we are doing all this, not because we require a permanent change to the most powerful economy in the history of the world.

00:55:53.000 Okay, time for a quick thing that I hate.

00:56:00.000 Okay, so, as y'all know, the song Imagine is the worst song ever written.

00:56:04.000 It is a horrible, horrible, evil song. 0.97

00:56:07.000 And it's not just evil because it's pretentious and ridiculous and the piano chords and all of that. 1.00

00:56:10.000 It's an evil song because the actual ethos that is promulgated by Imagine is completely idiotic. 0.99

00:56:18.000 Imagine, there's no countries, it's easy if you try, right? 0.99

00:56:21.000 Okay, so let's just be a little frank about this.

00:56:23.000 Right now, it's pretty obvious there are countries because every single country on planet Earth is closing its borders to all of the other countries.

00:56:30.000 And they talk about, the lyrics include, imagine there's no heaven, imagine there's no hell, right?

00:56:37.000 All we care about is what happens here on earth, which of course would lead pretty quickly to a moral breakdown of society.

00:56:42.000 The song is just tremendously horrible. 0.60

00:56:44.000 It's a horrible song with a horrible, immoral communist message.

00:56:47.000 I've talked about it on the show extensively before. 1.00

00:56:49.000 So naturally, because celebrities are idiots, they decide that what would be a great idea is to, in the middle of this pandemic, cut a self-glorifying video in which they each sing a line From Imagine. 1.00

00:57:01.000 Because nothing says solidarity quite like singing a no-borders, idiotic, communist song in the middle of a pandemic in order to show that you care. 0.99

00:57:12.000 Also, can anyone in Hollywood, like, please, come up with a different idea for a video than everybody singing a line from a song? 0.97

00:57:18.000 I'm not sure which is more irritating, this or the version of Fight Song they did in 2016 for Hillary.

00:57:23.000 I think it's this.

00:57:24.000 Here's a little bit of a variety of celebrities demonstrating how emotionally deep they are by singing the dumbest song ever penned. 0.98

00:57:33.000 Imagine there's no heaven. 0.97

00:57:36.000 That's Gal Gadot.

00:57:37.000 It's easy if you try.

00:57:39.000 Kristen Wiig.

00:57:42.000 No hell below us.

00:57:45.000 Is that Richard Morrison?

00:57:46.000 Above us only skies.

00:57:47.000 I'm not sure I know all these celebs.

00:57:48.000 James Marsden.

00:57:49.000 Sarah Silverman.

00:57:51.000 Oh God.

00:57:51.000 Imagine no countries?

00:57:55.000 Everyone would be dead.

00:57:58.000 Jimmy Fallon.

00:58:01.000 Natalie Portman.

00:58:02.000 Imagine no countries, everyone would be dead.

00:58:06.000 Jimmy Fallon.

00:58:09.000 Natalie Portman.

00:58:12.000 Zoe Kravitz. 1.00

00:58:16.000 God, is this obnoxious garbage. 1.00

00:58:21.000 Oh, God. 1.00

00:58:30.000 Okay, just stop it.

00:58:31.000 Just stop it. 1.00

00:58:32.000 This is the dumbest, this is the dumbest song ever. 1.00

00:58:34.000 Imagine no religion in a time where people are dying en masse. 1.00

00:58:37.000 Imagine, by the way, again, imagine no countries is a really weird take when every border is shut.

00:58:43.000 It's a very weird take.

00:58:45.000 This is the song that you choose?

00:58:49.000 At least We Are The World had like a solidarity message that didn't include the destruction of things that actually prevent people from dying.

00:58:56.000 Celebrities.

00:58:58.000 These are the people, our moral betters.

00:59:00.000 We should listen to Will Ferrell on this stuff.

00:59:03.000 If this is the height of your ethos, Mark Ruffalo singing Imagine, if the height of your ethos is the song Imagine, it's because you're doing morality wrong. 0.93

00:59:11.000 Also policy, only dumb celebrities could come up with the dumbest song ever and then sing the dumbest song ever in order to promote the dumbest agenda ever in the face of a global pandemic that requires concerted individual government action. 0.82

00:59:24.000 And again, significant restrictions on our way of life. 1.00

00:59:28.000 Unbelievable.

00:59:28.000 All right, well, but perfectly believable because celebrities are celebrities.

00:59:31.000 All right, we'll be back here a little bit later today with two additional hours of content.

00:59:34.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow for all of your latest updates.

00:59:37.000 Stay safe out there.

00:59:39.000 And again, as I say every day, we'll get through this together.

00:59:42.000 There is an expiration date to the lockdown, and there's an expiration date to the effect of the virus.

00:59:47.000 It may be sooner, it may be later, but we can all hope and pray that the government is taking the measures necessary to at least get in place treatments and resources necessary to deal with the pandemic so that when the restrictions come off, we can get back to work.

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01:00:33.000 The market continues to plummet as the Chinese coronavirus locks people idle in their homes for weeks at a time and the global economy grinds to a halt.

01:00:42.000 We will compare the pandemic to the left-wing policy agenda and see if we can tell the difference.

01:00:46.000 Then a new study suggests the spread of the virus could have been reduced by as much as 95% if the Chinese government had acted to stop it rather than to cover it up.

01:00:55.000 But of course, instead of reporting on that study, the U.S.

01:00:58.000 mainstream media is simply parroting the communist regime's propaganda.

01:01:02.000 Finally, the mailbag.

The Ben Shapiro Show - March 19, 2020

What The Hell Happens Now? | Ep. 975

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