The Ben Shapiro Show - What Was MLK’s Legacy? | Ep. 511

00:00:00.000 Leftists and conservatives battle over MLK's legacy, EPA Chief Scott Pruitt is in hot water, and a Comedy Central comedian says you are having too many children.

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00:00:15.000 All right, so yesterday marked the 50th anniversary of the assassination of Martin Luther King, and we'll be talking about that in just a few minutes.

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00:01:45.000 All right, so yesterday marks, as you say, the 49th, 50th anniversary of the—we're preparing to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the assassination of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, and there's a big fight underway over Martin Luther King Jr.'

00:02:00.000 's legacy.

00:02:01.000 I have a great book by Brad Meltzer that I read to my child about Martin Luther King Jr.

00:02:06.000 and what Martin Luther King Jr.

00:02:07.000 did for the United States and what he did for the black community inside the United States.

00:02:11.000 It's one of my daughter's favorite books.

00:02:12.000 She's growing up with it because I think that it is important for all children to know about the legacy of Dr. King.

00:02:16.000 Well, one of the things that we tend to do in modern politics is instead of remembering people for the things that they are actually remembered for, we go back and we look again.

00:02:26.000 We do a revisionist history.

00:02:27.000 We go back and we look again at all the things they did in their life.

00:02:30.000 And then we say, well, this is really what we should be remembering.

00:02:33.000 So, for example, George Washington, father of our country, a great general, first president.

00:02:38.000 That's what we remember him for.

00:02:39.000 But revisionist historians will go back and they will look at George Washington.

00:02:42.000 They will say, well, he was a slave owner.

00:02:44.000 We should talk about that because that's really his legacy.

00:02:46.000 His real legacy is that he was a slave owner.

00:02:48.000 Same thing's happening with Thomas Jefferson.

00:02:50.000 His legacy is the Declaration of Independence and his involvement with the Constitutional Convention.

00:02:54.000 He has a phenomenal, phenomenal legacy.

00:02:57.000 He was the third president of the United States.

00:02:59.000 But now there are calls to remove his monument specifically because parts of his legacy

00:03:05.000 This sort of logic has applied to everything.

00:03:11.000 You see it even with Abraham Lincoln, where there's now an attempt going on to go back and recast Abraham Lincoln as a rabid racist, because in some of his writings he speaks in racist fashion, even though he was the great emancipator who ended slavery in the United States through the Civil War and through the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:03:26.000 Well, Martin Luther King obviously doesn't have anything quite that checkered, slave owning or racism in his past.

00:03:31.000 He does have some things in his past that we have conveniently overlooked, obviously.

00:03:35.000 He was personally kind of a shambles in terms of his treatment of women, for example.

00:03:40.000 But what we really remember Dr. King for and why we celebrate Dr. King, and I'm, you know, I'm blessed that I share my birthday with Dr. King's day, right?

00:03:47.000 Martin Luther King Day is January 15th.

00:03:48.000 That's my birthday.

00:03:49.000 And I've always had a special fondness for that fact.

00:03:52.000 But Dr. King,

00:03:53.000 What we really remember him for is his message, which was not Malcolm X's message.

00:03:57.000 So to understand Martin Luther King's message, you have to do it in contrast to Malcolm X prior to his conversion to actual Islam and his call for peace, before he was assassinated by the folks over at the Nation of Islam, to which Democrats still pay homage, which is just an incredible thing, right? 0.53

00:04:11.000 The people who assassinated Malcolm X are still going around claiming they didn't assassinate Malcolm X, and then heads of the Democratic Party are meeting with their leaders, like Louis Farrakhan.

00:04:19.000 Should show you something about the state of today's modern politics, but

00:04:23.000 Malcolm X's message was black militancy. 0.54

00:04:25.000 His message was black separatism.

00:04:27.000 At least in his early days, when you read the autobiography of Malcolm X. And then later, he realized maybe we should look for a more conciliatory message.

00:04:35.000 Spike Lee's movie covers some of this ground.

00:04:37.000 Martin Luther King's message was very different.

00:04:39.000 His message was

00:04:40.000 We all have to come together around universal human rights that apply to black people as well as white people, that the calls of the Founding Fathers apply to black people as well as white people, like Booker T. Washington or like Frederick Douglass.

00:04:54.000 The call from Martin Luther King was,

00:04:56.000 Fully within the American tradition.

00:04:58.000 America has certain rights, inalienable rights, and these extend to black people. 0.99

00:05:02.000 And to prevent black people from exercising these rights is an act of terrorism, an act of evil, an act of tyranny. 0.96

00:05:08.000 This was his basic message. 0.89

00:05:09.000 And that message of racial reconciliation was why we honor Dr. King.

00:05:13.000 If he had been a racial separatist like Malcolm X, we would not be honoring Dr. King.

00:05:16.000 We would be talking about whether his legacy has helped contribute to the constant racial tensions in the country.

00:05:23.000 The reason that Martin Luther King is considered such a great figure is because of the racial reconciliation.

00:05:28.000 So, I mean, we'll play it because it is one of the great speeches in American history.

00:05:32.000 This was his speech, the I Have a Dream speech from the Washington Mall.

00:05:35.000 Here was Dr. King in his most famous iteration.

00:05:39.000 I have a dream.

00:05:42.000 But one day, this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed.

00:05:52.000 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.

00:05:58.000 Because he spoke in these terms, it was obvious that Martin Luther King was bound to be an American hero.

00:06:03.000 Obviously, his assassination was one of the great tragedies in American history, because right on the verge of a civil rights movement that was to essentially bear his imprimatur, he was killed.

00:06:13.000 It's just a horrifying, horrifying story.

00:06:16.000 In any case, President Trump tried to pay homage to Dr. Martin Luther King on the 50th anniversary of his assassination, and he spoke about that.

00:06:23.000 He posted this on his Twitter yesterday.

00:06:25.000 This, of course, caused a lot of consternation.

00:06:27.000 Fifty years ago, Dr. King was cruelly taken from this world by an assassin's bullet.

00:06:33.000 But the promise he fought for could never be taken away.

00:06:37.000 His words, his deeds, they live on forever.

00:06:40.000 And the cause for which he gave his life only gained strength and force and power with the passage of time.

00:06:48.000 On this cherished day, we honor the memory of Reverend King, and we rededicate ourselves to a glorious future

00:06:56.000 Okay, now so many people were upset about this, right?

00:07:09.000 A lot of people were very upset about President Trump putting this out because folks on the left think that President Trump is a racist and they're unhappy with a lot of the racially

00:07:19.000 Conflagration is things that Trump has said in the past, going all the way back to Charlottesville.

00:07:23.000 The fact is, though, that what Trump is actually saying, right, separate the message from the man who's saying it, what he's saying here is the great American perception of Martin Luther King.

00:07:32.000 So in the mood of revisionist history, what is absolutely happening right now is that the left is going back and they're looking at Martin Luther King's entire legacy.

00:07:39.000 And again, Martin Luther King was economically a socialist.

00:07:42.000 Martin Luther King was somebody

00:07:43.000 Who did not really understand economics particularly well.

00:07:46.000 Martin Luther King was somebody who was focused in on the supposed labor struggles of unions across the country.

00:07:53.000 And so the left, broadly, has tried to take the great attachment we have to Martin Luther King and extend it to these other causes.

00:07:59.000 So, for example, there's a piece today by Leonard Pitts Jr., who is a syndicated columnist that's in the Miami Herald, where he talks about

00:08:07.000 Where he talks about Martin Luther King and he talks about the assassination.

00:08:10.000 He says, Now,

00:08:22.000 You know, again, I agree with what killed the man, right?

00:08:25.000 But that was an individual assassin in a country that was still replete with racism.

00:08:29.000 We're now 50 years down the road.

00:08:31.000 The idea that we've spent 50 years burying Martin Luther King's memory is a bit insulting to all of the history of the United States subsequent to his assassination.

00:08:39.000 But here is what Leonard Pitts says.

00:08:41.000 And this, again, I think is the attempt to recapture the legacy of Martin Luther King and put him in the radical camp so that there can be a call today for more radicalism in politics, particularly on the racial side.

00:08:51.000 He says, quote, Okay, that's obviously meant to be a caricature and a straw man.

00:08:53.000 Obviously, it's not true.

00:08:53.000 We should be teaching about Jim Crow.

00:08:55.000 We should teach about slavery. 0.74

00:08:55.000 We should teach about the legacy of those things. 0.74

00:08:57.000 We should teach about the entire civil rights movement.

00:09:14.000 Including the Civil Rights Act, including Dwight Eisenhower sending federal troops down into the South in the mid-50s, including President Truman integrating the military.

00:09:22.000 We should talk about the long struggle for justice in this country for black folks.

00:09:26.000 We should talk about Martin Luther King, and we should talk about Malcolm X. It was a complex time with a lot of complex figures.

00:09:31.000 We should talk about all those things.

00:09:32.000 But there is no question that racism, since Martin Luther King's assassination, has depleted incredibly rapidly, to the lowest point in certainly American history, as of maybe seven or eight years ago, before Barack Obama was elected.

00:09:44.000 And then Barack Obama started, I believe, using intersectional politics as a substitute for unifying policy.

00:09:50.000 But Leonard Pitt says, Again, this is the point that folks on the left want to make.

00:10:01.000 They want to say that Martin Luther King's legacy was a failure, essentially.

00:10:04.000 That Martin Luther King did not succeed.

00:10:06.000 It wasn't that he was Moses who goes up to the top of the mountain and sees the promised land and then perishes.

00:10:11.000 It was that Martin Luther King dreamt of a promised land that we have never reached, that we are still wandering in the wilderness somewhere out here, and that Martin Luther King's legacy is basically that he says a bunch of things that we have failed to take him up on.

00:10:23.000 Pitt says it's an offensive myth because it reduces King to an anodyne figure harmless enough to be embraced by conservatives who conveniently forget that while he was here, they stood against everything he stood for.

00:10:32.000 First of all, that's not true.

00:10:33.000 More Republicans than Democrats vote on a percentage basis in the Congress, voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats.

00:10:40.000 Southern Democrats were the ones who were standing in the way of Martin Luther King during the Selma marches and attempting to bludgeon him, and they were imprisoning him.

00:10:46.000 It was not Republicans, okay?

00:10:47.000 That was Democrats.

00:10:48.000 So the idea that it was a bunch of conservatives who were standing in the way of Martin Luther King is not historically accurate.

00:10:53.000 It was conservatives, in many cases, who were standing with Dr. King.

00:10:58.000 There were liberals, no question, who stood with Martin Luther King, and there were conservatives who stood with Martin Luther King.

00:11:02.000 And to pretend otherwise, that is offensive, and that is a rewriting of history.

00:11:06.000 But Pitts continues.

00:11:07.000 The forces that killed him used this myth to kill our memory of the provocative, radical, progressive prophet and preacher that he was.

00:11:12.000 So successful have they been that Glenn Beck, with a straight face, claimed the mantle of king a few years ago.

00:11:16.000 So successful that some people are indignant when it is pointed out to them that Colin Kaepernick is actually following King's example.

00:11:22.000 So successful that King's youngest child, Bernice, recently tweeted how someone told her that her father didn't offend people.

00:11:27.000 Well, I mean, maybe his youngest child knows Martin Luther King's legacy better than, like, Leonard Pitts, I might suggest.

00:11:33.000 And using Colin Kaepernick as someone akin to Martin Luther King, that's an insult to Martin Luther King's legacy.

00:11:38.000 Martin Luther King actually knew of what he taught.

00:11:40.000 Martin Luther King actually had a program for change.

00:11:43.000 Colin Kaepernick was looking for publicity, and he got publicity.

00:11:46.000 I'm not saying that he doesn't have a good heart for what he thinks he is doing, but Colin Kaepernick kneeling for the anthem is something that Martin Luther King never would have done because Martin Luther King understood that he was standing with America's legacy, not against America's legacy.

00:11:57.000 That the darkness in America's history was an obstacle that was thrown in the way of founding ideology.

00:12:03.000 That it was not part and parcel, rooted in our DNA, as Barack Obama was fond of saying.

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00:13:21.000 Okay, so, to continue on with the leftist revisionist history about why America celebrates Martin Luther King.

00:13:28.000 The revisionist history here is not that Martin Luther King was... They're not lying about some of the revisionist history, right?

00:13:34.000 When I say revisionist history, I don't mean that they are that they are fibbing about what Martin Luther King did.

00:13:38.000 I'm saying they're fibbing about why Martin Luther King was a popular figure, right?

00:13:42.000 Why Martin Luther King has a day of his own in the United States.

00:13:45.000 So Leonard Pitts, again, writing the syndicated column about the real legacy of Martin Luther King, he says,

00:13:50.000 All of this is foolishness, but the foolishness exists because we allow it to, because we fail to vote like we could, teach, organize, and agitate like we should.

00:13:58.000 So 50 years after King was killed, police can still get away with murder.

00:14:01.000 People working full-time jobs still can't feed themselves.

00:14:03.000 We still take necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes.

00:14:07.000 Our children are still ground up by unnecessary war.

00:14:09.000 African Americans are still last hired, first fired, still disproportionately poor, sick, undereducated, and killed. 1.00

00:14:15.000 Well, there's a lot to unpack there, but not every disparity, as we will see, and we'll talk about in just a second, is due to discrimination in the United States.

00:14:22.000 But Leonard Pitts is saying that because there is still disparity, that obviously is a symptom of the same root cause that Martin Luther King was fighting, namely deep American racism.

00:14:30.000 And then, of course, Leonard Pitts drops what he considers his ultimate rhetorical H-bomb,

00:14:34.000 Also, Jeff Sessions is Attorney General and Donald Trump President. 0.87

00:14:38.000 To call Jeff Sessions a racist is really absurd.

00:14:39.000 Jeff Sessions prosecuted members of the KKK.

00:14:42.000 And Donald Trump as President, that is a direct response.

00:14:46.000 I don't think that Trump has been great on race.

00:14:49.000 I really don't.

00:14:50.000 If I haven't made that clear in the past.

00:14:52.000 To say that Donald Trump is a cause of racism rather than an effect of an intersectional politics that has now generated a blowback on the other side of the aisle, I think would be wildly inaccurate.

00:15:03.000 It's not evidence of deep-seated American racism.

00:15:05.000 It's evidence that Americans are willing to get tribal if they think the other side of the political aisle gets tribal as well.

00:15:12.000 Leonard Pitts concludes, And he says that we have lingered in the valley for too long.

00:15:15.000 Again, this is what the left is trying to do.

00:15:17.000 They're trying to say that King's vision was never accomplished, and the right is saying large swaths of King's vision were accomplished, which is why we celebrate him.

00:15:40.000 Well, imagine in 1969, if you'd said that white kids across the United States would be celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King, that would be seen as a great step toward the ending of racism in America, certainly.

00:15:51.000 It would be good evidence that racism in America has waned.

00:15:53.000 The left doesn't see it like that because they want to promulgate the myth that America is a deeply racist place.

00:15:57.000 So now I want to read you an article by Jesse Jackson.

00:16:00.000 So Jesse Jackson was at the assassination of Martin Luther King.

00:16:03.000 He was one of the folks who was there.

00:16:04.000 And he obviously has become a demagogic and terrible race leader. 0.91

00:16:08.000 Not only has he engaged in racism of his own, not only has he engaged in anti-Semitism, not only is he personally a mess, not only is he corrupt beyond measure, but he is still proclaiming that every problem that happens in the United States is a reflection of racism. 0.86

00:16:23.000 So this is the question.

00:16:24.000 Is Dr. Martin Luther King's legacy a failure or is it a success?

00:16:27.000 Folks on the left say it's a failure because America failed Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:16:31.000 So here is what Jesse Jackson writes in the New York Times today.

00:16:34.000 As the nation prepares to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the assassination of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., we should dwell not merely on how Dr. King died, but also on how he lived.

00:16:42.000 He mobilized mass action to win a public accommodations bill and the right to vote.

00:16:46.000 He led the Montgomery bus boycott and navigated police terror in Birmingham.

00:16:49.000 He got us over the bloodstained bridge in Selma and survived the rocks and bottles and hatred in Chicago.

00:16:54.000 He globalized our struggle to end the war in Vietnam.

00:16:57.000 How he lived is why he died.

00:17:00.000 This again is Jesse Jackson.

00:17:01.000 By the way, he was wrong about that.

00:17:02.000 The war in Vietnam was not a bad war. 1.00

00:17:03.000 That was the right war. 0.99

00:17:03.000 It was just fought in absolutely the wrong way, and smothering everything that Dr. King did in genius and wonder 0.99

00:17:30.000 Is, I think, also a disservice to the fact that a lot of the stuff he said was controversial, right?

00:17:34.000 And the Vietnam War is one of those things.

00:17:49.000 We owe it to Dr. King and to our children and grandchildren to commemorate the man in full, a radical, ecumenical, anti-war, pro-immigrant, and scholarly champion of the poor, who spent much more time marching and going to jail for liberation and justice than he ever spent dreaming about it.

00:18:01.000 And then he talks about, you know, all of the various things that Martin Luther King marched for, some of which I think were wonderful, many of which were incredible, and some of which were socialist.

00:18:11.000 I mean, some of which were not so great.

00:18:14.000 The point here is, what is America now?

00:18:16.000 50 years.

00:18:17.000 Let's do a quick retrospective.

00:18:18.000 Where is America now?

00:18:19.000 The answer is, some of the disparities in America have not been removed.

00:18:22.000 But legal disparities, legal discrimination, is not a thing in the United States.

00:18:27.000 And I'm talking about laws that discriminate between blacks and whites in the United States.

00:18:31.000 These are illegal in the United States.

00:18:33.000 They're barred by federal law.

00:18:35.000 They should have been barred by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, is the truth, in 1871, 1869.

00:18:38.000 But in any case,

00:18:44.000 It took a hundred years for that legacy to be realized to pretend that Martin Luther King is a failure in order to promote a radical race agenda that suggests that all disparity in the United States is due to discrimination is to do a disservice to Dr. King's memory and more importantly to do a disservice to the United States that has embraced his memory.

00:19:00.000 So here's a better article on the legacy of Martin Luther King.

00:19:02.000 This one is from Jason Reilly, another columnist.

00:19:04.000 He's a black guy who writes for the Wall Street Journal.

00:19:08.000 He's on the editorial board there.

00:19:09.000 He says, 0.97

00:19:24.000 In Chicago, Mayor Richard Daley ordered police to shoot to kill arsonists and shoot to maim looters. 0.62

00:19:28.000 In Washington, so many fires were set you couldn't see the U.S. 0.96

00:19:31.000 Capitol because of all the smoke.

00:19:32.000 General William Westmoreland, who commanded U.S.

00:19:34.000 forces in Vietnam and happened to be in Washington at the time, said the unrest had left the nation's capital looking worse than Saigon did at the height of the Tet Offensive.

00:19:41.000 President LBJ responded by convening a meeting of the nation's most prominent black activists, and the invite list is instructive.

00:19:47.000 It included A. Philip Randolph, who led the fight to desegregate the military, Whitney Young, head of the National Urban League, Roy Wilkins, leader of the NAACP, and Bayard Rustin, a top advisor to King, who had helped organize the seminal 1955 bus boycott in Montgomery, Alabama, and the 1963 march on Washington.

00:20:03.000 It almost goes without saying that the leading civil rights organizations today can no longer count people of that caliber in their ranks, which may be the clearest indication yet that the movement is over and that the right side prevailed.

00:20:12.000 If black Americans were still faced with legitimate threats to civil rights, such as legal discrimination or voter disenfranchisement, we would see true successors to the King-era luminary step forward, not the pretenders in place today who have turned a movement into an industry, if not a racket.

00:20:27.000 And just second on reading the rest of what Jason Reilly has to say, because I think this is truer to

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00:22:06.000 Okay, so as I say, Jason Reilly of the Wall Street Journal has, I think, the best piece on Martin Luther King's legacy and where we stand today.

00:22:22.000 Okay, so here, that doesn't mean that there's no racism in the United States.

00:22:25.000 It does mean that to pretend that there has not been unbelievable progress and that racism is a fringe element in the United States right now is to ignore reality.

00:22:34.000 So Jason Riley says,

00:22:39.000 would expand in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s, which suggests that the disparities that continue today aren't being driven by racism, notwithstanding claims to the contrary from liberals and their allies in the media.

00:22:49.000 It also suggests that attitudes toward marriage, education, work, and the rule of law play a much larger role than the left wants to acknowledge.

00:22:56.000 More marches won't address out-of-wedlock childbearing.

00:22:58.000 More sit-ins won't lower black crime rates or narrow the school achievement gap. 0.51

00:23:02.000 Even electing and appointing more black officials, which has been a major priority for civil rights leaders over the past half century, can't compensate for these cultural deficiencies. 0.99

00:23:09.000 Black mayors, police chiefs, and school superintendents have been commonplace since the 1970s, including in major cities with large black populations.

00:23:17.000 Racially gerrymandered voting districts have ensured the election of blacks to Congress.

00:23:21.000 Even the election of a black president twice failed to close the divide in many key measures.

00:23:25.000 Black-white differences in poverty, homeownership, and incomes all grew wider under President Obama.

00:23:30.000 Discussion of anti-social behavior in poor black communities, let alone the possibility that it plays a significant role in racial inequality, has become another casualty of the post-60s era, writes Jason Riley, a black columnist over at the Wall Street Journal.

00:23:42.000 King and other black leaders at the time spoke openly

00:23:44.000 about the need for more responsible behavior in poor black communities.

00:23:47.000 After remarking on a disproportionately high inner-city crime rate, King told a black congregation in St.

00:23:52.000 Louis, quote, he added, quote,

00:24:03.000 King's successors mostly ignore this advice, preferring instead to keep the onus on whites.

00:24:07.000 Where King tried to instill in young people the importance of personal responsibility and self-determination, notwithstanding racial barriers, his counterparts today spend more time making excuses for counterproductive behavior and dismissing criticism of it as racist.

00:24:19.000 Activists who long ago abandoned King's colorblind standard, which was the basis for the landmark civil rights laws enacted in the 1960s, tell Black youths today that they are victims first and foremost.

00:24:28.000 A generation of Blacks who have more opportunity than any previous generation are being taught that America offers them little more than trigger-happy cops, bigoted teachers, and biased employers.

00:24:36.000 It's not only incorrect, but as King and a previous generation of Black leaders understood, it's also unhelpful. 0.94

00:24:41.000 The reason that I read all of this from Jason Riley is because this is the important part of Dr. King's legacy.

00:24:46.000 The important part is the part that we know.

00:24:49.000 It is the part that we know.

00:24:50.000 It doesn't mean we shouldn't study the rest of Dr. King's life and analyze how he brilliantly used the power of media and brilliantly used the power of social demonstration in order to push his agenda.

00:25:01.000 We should do all of these things.

00:25:02.000 I'm all for a more well-rounded, nuanced picture of history.

00:25:06.000 But if we're going to say, what do we celebrate about Dr. Martin Luther King, it is a colorblind standard that the left today is in the midst of rejecting.

00:25:13.000 Rejecting wholesale.

00:25:15.000 The intersectional ideology of the left fully rejects all of this.

00:25:18.000 The intersectional ideology of the left fully suggests that you cannot have a colorblind society.

00:25:24.000 That Dr. Martin Luther King was in fact wrong.

00:25:27.000 That Dr. Martin Luther King was incorrect in his assessment of his dream.

00:25:31.000 His dream itself was a problem.

00:25:33.000 And I present as evidence to you an article by a professor named Kimberly Crenshaw.

00:25:38.000 She's executive director of the African American Policy Forum and a professor of law at Columbia University.

00:25:43.000 She is also the inventor of the concept of intersectionality.

00:25:46.000 And in the column that she wrote for the Washington Post, I think it was a couple of years ago, she explained that intersectionality isn't only supposed to be a way of describing different experiences based on group identity.

00:25:56.000 It's not just supposed to be that Democrats are saying, yeah, black people have one kind of experience and white people have another kind of experience.

00:26:02.000 Instead, intersectionality, which is what the Democratic Party pushes, is supposed to be a way of promoting a leftist political agenda.

00:26:09.000 She writes in the Washington Post, quote,

00:26:11.000 Intersectionality was my attempt to make feminism, anti-racist activism, and anti-discrimination law do what I thought they should.

00:26:18.000 Highlight the multiple avenues through which racial and gender oppression were experienced so that the problems would be easier to discuss and understand.

00:26:25.000 So what does she mean by this?

00:26:27.000 She means that the legacy of America is racist and that there is no way to overcome that.

00:26:31.000 White privilege means we can never overcome this. 0.78

00:26:33.000 Even if every white person in America were to acknowledge quote-unquote white privilege and suggest that the system is built for them, 0.85

00:26:40.000 They would still not have anything to say, because even then, there are certain racist bones in the white body that cannot be overcome.

00:26:48.000 There are literally colleges that are teaching kids that if they say, I am colorblind, this is an element of racism.

00:26:53.000 If you say, I don't judge people based on color, this is a microaggression. 0.96

00:26:58.000 I am not kidding.

00:26:58.000 This is something that is said at universities across the land.

00:27:01.000 That is a direct rejection of Dr. King's dream.

00:27:04.000 So what is the left doing?

00:27:05.000 They're saying, well, really, Dr. King's dream wasn't the colorblind society.

00:27:08.000 That was just a bunch of sloganeering for the cameras.

00:27:10.000 What his dream really was, was racial separatism and competing interest groups.

00:27:15.000 His real dream was the Bernie Sanders socialist agenda that would overcome race with redistributionism.

00:27:21.000 He's really a class warrior rather than a warrior in favor of racial integration.

00:27:26.000 This is not why America celebrates Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:27:28.000 And to pretend otherwise is, I think, a bit of nasty revisionist history that has some pretty serious consequences for the future of the country.

00:27:35.000 Okay, well meanwhile...

00:27:37.000 Speaking of political polarization pushed by the left, you can see that the left is not interested in the sort of integration, in the sort of peaceful talking that Martin Luther King was attempting to push.

00:27:48.000 One of the people who is supposedly a successor to Reverend King, Reverend Dr. King, is Al Sharpton.

00:27:54.000 This is just, it just demonstrates the fall off in the level of political discourse and the level of

00:28:01.000 It's just insane. 0.57

00:28:04.000 Al Sharpton is a race hustler. 0.98

00:28:06.000 Al Sharpton has made himself a fortune by blackmailing companies, by calling them racist. 0.99

00:28:11.000 Al Sharpton is a guy who has twice helped initiate violence against Jews. 1.00

00:28:16.000 Al Sharpton is just the scum of the earth. 1.00

00:28:19.000 He's the scum of the earth, Al Sharpton. 1.00

00:28:20.000 And yet here he is talking about Martin Luther King and talking about how Donald Trump has made racial intolerance vogue again, despite the fact that Al Sharpton 0.99

00:28:28.000 Okay, Al Sharpton is the worst of the worst.

00:28:30.000 And here he is talking about how Trump has made racial intolerance in vogue again.

00:28:43.000 I think what people really don't understand, for those of us that grew up in the King movement and the generation after King, is that we mark the 50th anniversary with the challenges that we have a president that has made this kind of racial divide and intolerance become vogue again.

00:29:04.000 Because when you look at what Donald Trump is doing around pet questions of people of color, Mexicans, blacks, Muslim, he has reintroduced what Dr. King's life was again.

00:29:15.000 Taking us back.

00:29:16.000 Taking us really back.

00:29:19.000 Okay, so again, here's the problem.

00:29:22.000 I'm not fond of a lot of Trump's rhetoric.

00:29:23.000 I was very critical of President Trump's response to Charlottesville, which I thought was egregious.

00:29:27.000 During the election cycle, I thought that his response to questions about the KKK was just awful.

00:29:31.000 I think President Trump has a nasty habit of saying things that are really inflammatory about race, and that is not a good thing.

00:29:40.000 But to suggest that Trump is the one who is responsible for the racial uptick, the uptick in racial animosity in the country, is not supported by data.

00:29:48.000 It's just not.

00:29:49.000 If you look at moods about race in the United States, they were at an all-time high by the time George W. Bush left office.

00:29:54.000 And then, if you look at mood about race with regard to divides between the races, it jumped as soon as Obama took office, and it continued to grow while the president was in office.

00:30:06.000 Right, and now Trump has taken office and it hasn't narrowed.

00:30:08.000 And that's not a shock, because again, when one side embraces the idea that the colorblind dream is no longer a dream, but a nightmare, then you end up with a racially polarized society.

00:30:17.000 This sort of polarization, unfortunately, has broken out across the spectrum.

00:30:20.000 It's not just with regard to race.

00:30:21.000 For example, it's so bad that even normal politicians are being attacked as inhuman just because we disagree with them.

00:30:30.000 Ted Cruz, I'm friendly with Senator Cruz, and Senator Cruz is a senator from Texas,

00:30:35.000 He was campaigning in Texas.

00:30:36.000 The left is celebrating this, and this just demonstrates how far our politics have gone.

00:30:40.000 This woman walks up to Ted Cruz and asks him if he is actually a human being.

00:30:45.000 It's really quite amazing.

00:30:47.000 I have a woman over 50 who, as of February 7th, has seven active pre-existing conditions.

00:30:53.000 I'm not counting being female and a survivor of abuse.

00:30:57.000 I purchased my individual policy on the health insurance exchange.

00:31:00.000 If you force me into a high-risk pool, you will either bankrupt me or kill me.

00:31:05.000 I take this threat of medical aggression personally and seriously, and I can assure you I'm not the only Texan who does.

00:31:13.000 My question is, will you pledge to submit to a DNA test to prove that you're human?

00:31:19.000 Well ma'am, thank you for that.

00:31:21.000 One of the great things about our democratic system is that we can treat each other with respect and civility.

00:31:28.000 And that's a great response by Senator Cruz.

00:31:30.000 You can stop it there.

00:31:30.000 But that question, will you take a DNA test to prove that you're human?

00:31:34.000 In an era of political polarization, let's just note that this is not coming just from Donald Trump or just from one side.

00:31:40.000 It's not good when it does come from Trump.

00:31:42.000 I've ripped it when it comes from Trump.

00:31:43.000 But it's coming from both sides, and it precedes President Trump's presidency by a long way.

00:31:47.000 Speaking of that political polarization, in just a second, I'm going to get to the worst political polarization of the day.

00:31:52.000 And I want to talk a little bit about the scandals, supposed scandals, surrounding EPA Chief Scott Pruitt.

00:31:57.000 I wanna say thank you to our sponsors over at Chappaquiddick.

00:31:59.000 So, as I have said before, they're sponsoring us to talk about Chappaquiddick on this program.

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00:32:07.000 You must go see Chappaquiddick.

00:32:09.000 It is in theaters tomorrow.

00:32:10.000 You have a moral obligation, my listeners, to go see Chappaquiddick.

00:32:13.000 The reason for this is because it took 50 years, five zero years, to make a movie about a sitting senator of the United States, the scion of the most famous family in the history of American politics,

00:32:25.000 Who literally left a woman to drown in negligent, homicidal fashion.

00:32:29.000 Left her not even to drown, but to die suffocating in an air bubble that was still present at the top of her car. 0.60

00:32:34.000 All he had to do was walk 50 feet, pick up a phone, and call the cops.

00:32:37.000 Instead, afraid of the blowback, he left her to die at the bottom of a river.

00:32:42.000 And this movie actually handles the issue.

00:32:44.000 But it handles the issue with grace.

00:32:45.000 So the movie does not

00:32:47.000 Suggest, for example, that Ted Kennedy was having an affair with Mary Jo Kepekny because there's not the evidence to prove that.

00:32:53.000 It doesn't suggest that she was pregnant because there's not the evidence to prove it.

00:32:56.000 They stick to the actual facts of the case when they make Chappaquiddick.

00:33:00.000 It's also a really nuanced, well-rounded picture of who Ted Kennedy was.

00:33:03.000 So it's not...

00:33:05.000 A right-wing hit job, but it is also not an ode to Ted Kennedy by any stretch of the imagination.

00:33:09.000 The man comes off pretty horribly, as well he should when you leave a woman to die at the bottom of a river.

00:33:15.000 Chapel Critic, the movie, is out tomorrow.

00:33:17.000 Go check it out, please.

00:33:18.000 It's well-acted.

00:33:19.000 Jason Clarke, Kate Mara, Ed Helms, Jim Gaffigan, Bruce Stern, terrific cast.

00:33:22.000 You're not going to want to miss this untold story of how one of the most covered up crimes in American history saved the career of a senator in Massachusetts.

00:33:31.000 Chapel Critic in theaters everywhere April 6th.

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00:35:05.000 All right, now speaking of political polarization, Joss Whedon is a director.

00:35:10.000 He has not made a good movie in a little while.

00:35:11.000 I know that everybody loves The Avengers.

00:35:13.000 I'm not, I'm not a huge fan.

00:35:14.000 In any case, Joss Whedon tweeted this out yesterday.

00:35:16.000 Just shows you where Hollywood's head is at.

00:35:18.000 Quote, Donald Trump is killing this country.

00:35:21.000 Some of it quickly, some slowly, but he spoils and destroys everything he touches. 0.90

00:35:25.000 He emboldens monsters, wielding guns, governmental power, or just smug doublespeak.

00:35:29.000 Or Russia.

00:35:30.000 My hate and sadness are exhausting. 1.00

00:35:32.000 Die, Don. 1.00

00:35:33.000 Just quietly die. 0.99

00:35:35.000 OK, so I assume the Secret Service will be paying a visit to Joss Whedon's house because that is not mentally healthy activity. 0.90

00:35:40.000 But it is amazing how Trump's assent has really driven the left out of their ever-loving mind.

00:35:46.000 I mean, it really is an incredible thing.

00:35:48.000 And again, it demonstrates that I think a lot of this was lurking under the surface.

00:35:51.000 I think there's a crisis of meaning that's happened in this country.

00:35:53.000 I think the civil rights movement was the culmination of a great American moral move.

00:35:58.000 Toward decency.

00:35:59.000 And I think that there's a solid case to be made that since about 19, 1980, 1984, the United States has been heading in directly the wrong direction morally.

00:36:10.000 And it's been in a continual downward spiral punctuated by bursts of bursts of light every so often immediately after 9-11, for example.

00:36:18.000 But the level of political polarization in our society has grown to such tremendous extremes that I'm not sure that

00:36:24.000 Unity is even possible.

00:36:25.000 Martin Luther King's dream wasn't just of multiracial unity in the United States.

00:36:28.000 It was of American unity toward a common goal.

00:36:31.000 And we may have disagreed on some of those goals, particularly in economics, but we certainly didn't disagree on the goals of a common society in which we share certain inalienable rights.

00:36:40.000 I think that has gone by the wayside because everybody views their political opponent as evil.

00:36:44.000 I don't think Joss Whedon is evil. 1.00

00:36:45.000 I think Joss Whedon is stupid. 1.00

00:36:46.000 I think Joss Whedon is consumed with his hatred for people on the other side of the aisle. 1.00

00:36:52.000 And this is just the latest evidence of that.

00:36:54.000 Okay.

00:36:55.000 Meanwhile, speaking of what looks to be kind of scandal that is being ginned up, Scott Pruitt is the head of the EPA.

00:37:03.000 He's been doing a very effective job over at the EPA getting rid of burdensome environmental regulations.

00:37:08.000 The left really despises Scott Pruitt in a major way.

00:37:11.000 And Sarah Huckabee Sanders, who's the press secretary, was grilled about Scott Pruitt.

00:37:14.000 The left is calling for him to be fired because of what they're calling sweetheart deals.

00:37:18.000 I will explain to you why these charges are at the very least overblown until we have all of the evidence.

00:37:23.000 Here is Sarah Huckabee Sanders being grilled by the press on Pruitt, the head of the EPA.

00:37:29.000 My question to you, though, has to do with another sweetheart deal.

00:37:32.000 That's the $50 a night payment that the EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt paid to a lobbyist that did business with the EPA.

00:37:44.000 As you know, Sarah, the President promised to drain the swamp.

00:37:47.000 His behavior, his actions seemed very swamp-like.

00:37:51.000 Why is the President okay with this?

00:37:53.000 The President's not.

00:37:54.000 We're reviewing the situation.

00:37:56.000 We have had a chance to have a deeper dive on it.

00:37:59.000 We'll let you know the outcomes of that, but we're currently reviewing that here at the White House.

00:38:03.000 Does the President have confidence in the EPA Administrator at this point?

00:38:08.000 The President thinks that he's done a good job, particularly on the deregulation front, but again, we take this seriously and we're looking into it.

00:38:15.000 We'll let you know when we finish.

00:38:16.000 Okay, so, you know, this is about all she can say at this point because not all the information has come out.

00:38:20.000 Apparently the White House is somewhat unhappy with Pruitt because of all these supposed scandals that are in the making.

00:38:25.000 One of those scandals is that he supposedly ended around the process to give a couple of his employees pay raises.

00:38:31.000 And Scott Pruitt...

00:38:33.000 I said he didn't know about those pay raises until yesterday and he changed it.

00:38:36.000 Suffice it to say that a lot of this is being somewhat overblown.

00:38:39.000 Molly Hemingway has a very good piece over at the Federalist talking about all the various things that Scott Pruitt was supposedly supposed to have done wrong here.

00:38:47.000 It is, shall we say, rather unclear that anything wrong actually happened here.

00:38:51.000 So he rented a room and he was approved for the room by an 18-year career ethics person at the EPA.

00:38:56.000 So, no evidence of wrongdoing yet.

00:38:59.000 And then, apparently, Pruitt supposedly bypassed the White House to get raises for a couple of his top aides who came to D.C.

00:39:04.000 from Oklahoma, and he didn't get White House approval.

00:39:06.000 He says that he didn't even know about it, so maybe that's true. 0.99

00:39:09.000 And then, apparently, he flew first class because of security threats, which would not be a shock.

00:39:14.000 I fly first class sometimes because of security threats.

00:39:16.000 All of this is supposed to be a rip on Scott Pruitt.

00:39:19.000 Let's just say, let's wait for the evidence.

00:39:20.000 Scott Pruitt is one of the top members of the administration on the left's hit list, and there's a reason that he is being targeted.

00:39:26.000 Okay, so, in just a second, I want to get to some things I like and some things that I hate.

00:39:31.000 In fact, you know what?

00:39:31.000 Let's just jump right into it.

00:39:32.000 So, time for some things I like and time for some things that I hate.

00:39:35.000 So, things I like.

00:39:37.000 In honor of Martin Luther King's, the assassination of Dr. King, I want to talk a little bit about Uncle Tom's Cabin.

00:39:44.000 So this is a classic novel.

00:39:45.000 People have taken it in all the wrong ways in their interpretation of it over the last century.

00:39:50.000 They've suggested that even the term Uncle Tom has become a term of derision about black people who are supposedly too conciliatory with white people.

00:39:57.000 Larry Elder has been called an Uncle Tom.

00:39:59.000 Jason Reilly, who I read earlier, has been called an Uncle Tom.

00:40:01.000 Clarence Thomas has been called an Uncle Tom.

00:40:03.000 If you read the book, the point of Uncle Tom's character is that he is a Christ-like figure.

00:40:07.000 The whole point is that he suffers so that he can help other

00:40:10.000 Black folks be free.

00:40:12.000 And then he suffers to bring people together.

00:40:14.000 That is the entire purpose of his character.

00:40:16.000 It's to better everyone around him.

00:40:18.000 When you read the book, Uncle Tom's Cabin, this book was very, very instrumental in launching the Civil War.

00:40:24.000 It was written in 1852.

00:40:25.000 It was a massive bestseller.

00:40:27.000 In the first year following its publication, it was about 300,000 copies were sold in a time when there weren't that many people in the United States.

00:40:34.000 Pretty amazing number.

00:40:35.000 And this book was

00:40:37.000 The Bible of the abolitionist movement.

00:40:40.000 It was used as the Bible of the abolitionist movement.

00:40:41.000 Now, there are a bunch of folks now who criticize it because there are characters who they term a mammy or a pickaninny.

00:40:46.000 There were versions that were staged of Uncle Tom's Cabin that were much more derogatory to our black people than Uncle Tom's Cabin actually is.

00:40:53.000 But to fail to recognize what Uncle Tom's Cabin did in its time as a movement for black freedom, that it made an unquestioning moral statement that slavery was a grand and great evil perpetrated by evil folks.

00:41:04.000 And that the way to cure yourself of that evil was by freeing your slaves and ending slavery itself.

00:41:10.000 That was the message of the book.

00:41:11.000 And so, read the book, you know, have your own opinion on it for sure, but recognize that in the historical time and place that it was written, it was an abolitionist statement of grand design and it had a massive impact on the minds of literally millions of people across the United States.

00:41:24.000 Okay, time for a couple of things that I hate.

00:41:31.000 Alrighty, so,

00:41:32.000 Couple of things that are pretty amazing that we need to talk about.

00:41:35.000 So, first thing that we need to talk about is this comedian.

00:41:38.000 So there's a woman, a female comedian, who I'd never heard of until she started tweeting this. 0.94

00:41:42.000 Her name is Nikki Glaser.

00:41:43.000 And she tweeted something out that she surely thought was clever and snarky at Donald Trump and his ex-wife.

00:41:48.000 So the couple was recently divorced, but they appeared at the White House Easter egg hunt with their five kids, and Nikki Glaser responded like this, quote,

00:41:56.000 Don Jr.

00:41:56.000 and his wife have five kids, all caps five.

00:41:59.000 No one should be having five kids. 0.98

00:42:01.000 Why are people still allowed to have five kids? 1.00

00:42:04.000 President Trump is the fascist, not the left.

00:42:07.000 The left actually tweeting out things like, why are people still allowed to have five kids? 0.94

00:42:12.000 That's totally fine.

00:42:14.000 Not a problem.

00:42:15.000 After being called out on it, of course, Nikki Glaser deleted.

00:42:17.000 But there are a bunch of folks on the left who actually think this.

00:42:19.000 I'm talking about Amanda Marcotte.

00:42:21.000 Amanda Marcotte's a feminist author, and she wrote, quote, I'm trying to remember which family she's talking about. 0.99

00:42:32.000 There's a fellow who tweeted at Jill Filipovich, another feminist.

00:42:36.000 Jill Filipovich had tweeted, quote,

00:42:42.000 Feminist authors really doing their best to make themselves popular. 0.99

00:42:45.000 And Patrick Madrid, who is a Catholic radio host, he tweeted out, And this prompted Amanda Marcotte to tweet, quote,

00:43:06.000 Well, number one, children are not cats, no matter how much feminists wish they would be. 1.00

00:43:11.000 That cat is not a child.

00:43:12.000 Okay, that's just you. 1.00

00:43:13.000 If you have 11 cats, you're a loser. 0.98

00:43:15.000 If you have 11 children... 1.00

00:43:17.000 Decent shot.

00:43:17.000 You're a pretty decent life success.

00:43:18.000 You're living in a religious community.

00:43:19.000 I know the rabbi who taught me for my bar mitzvah had 15 children.

00:43:23.000 Virtually all of his 15 children had 15 children.

00:43:25.000 So he had literally hundreds of grandchildren and ticked off the left to no end.

00:43:30.000 But here's one of the things that's amazing.

00:43:32.000 So there seems to be this feeling among folks in leftist feminist circles that if a woman chooses to have lots of kids, she's undermining her own happiness. 1.00

00:43:39.000 They see this picture in their head of a woman out on the prairie with a bunch of little urchins plucking at her garments, and she's there taking the cloth diapers and washing them in the scrubbing bin.

00:43:49.000 That's what she does every day. 1.00

00:43:51.000 That's not the actual truth.

00:43:52.000 You know what polls show?

00:43:53.000 It's kind of an amazing thing.

00:43:54.000 What polls actually show is that large families aren't just fine, they're awesome.

00:43:58.000 The Survey of Marital Generosity found that parents of large families are actually happier than parents of small families.

00:44:05.000 Isn't that amazing finding?

00:44:06.000 So what they found is either don't have any kids at all or have lots of kids.

00:44:09.000 Don't have like one kid.

00:44:10.000 Have like four kids.

00:44:13.000 Which is what we intend on doing.

00:44:14.000 We intend on having at least four children and just to tick off the feminist I may make it five. 1.00

00:44:20.000 And again, my wife is fine with that. 0.92

00:44:21.000 She's more feminist than any of these feminists. 1.00

00:44:23.000 As I have said, you may know, she is a doctor.

00:44:25.000 So my wife is perfectly fine with working. 1.00

00:44:27.000 She likes working.

00:44:29.000 And she's also intent on having lots of kids, which is a wonderful thing.

00:44:32.000 But the left despises the creation of new children because they feel that children enslave women to their reproductive organs.

00:44:39.000 The reality of the situation is that children are the greatest thing on planet Earth.

00:44:43.000 They are amazing.

00:44:44.000 And women being able to have children is like a superpower. 1.00

00:44:48.000 It's a superpower.

00:44:48.000 You generate another human being out of your body and then you feed it with your body and then the baby grows up into a giant human.

00:44:53.000 That's like an amazing, amazing thing.

00:44:55.000 And for all of these feminists to be taking the thing that is most unique about the female body, right? 1.00

00:45:01.000 Which is the ability to produce children.

00:45:04.000 To take that and to cast that out as something bad seems to be profoundly anti-feminine.

00:45:09.000 And something seems to be profoundly anti-female.

00:45:11.000 Having lots of kids is just fine, okay?

00:45:13.000 If you can take care of your kids and I'm not taking care of your kids, go for it, right?

00:45:16.000 This is my feeling about kids.

00:45:18.000 If you can afford your kids, have as many as you want. 1.00

00:45:20.000 Okay, other stupid things that the left has been doing. 1.00

00:45:23.000 It's pretty amazing. 0.99

00:45:24.000 The creator of Will & Grace, which is the most overrated show in the history of television.

00:45:27.000 It never was a top 10 show.

00:45:29.000 It was never a massive rating success, but it was boosted by the critics because it was about gay folks.

00:45:34.000 Well, the creator of Will & Grace is now going to stick it to Vice President Mike Pence by donating John Oliver's mean-spirited gay bunny book to Indiana schools. 0.82

00:45:43.000 So John Oliver wrote this book that was supposed to rip Mike Pence's daughter, right?

00:45:47.000 Rip Mike Pence's daughter. 0.98

00:45:48.000 Charlotte wrote a children's book about their bunny.

00:45:50.000 All right, which is called Marlon Bundo.

00:45:52.000 That's the name of the punny and they wrote a book about that. 0.97

00:45:54.000 John Oliver then wrote a book about a gay bunny to try and slap at Pence. 0.93

00:45:57.000 So naturally the creator of Will and Grace is now going to send the book about the gay bunny to Indiana schools because that's just what children need to be reading about is about bunnies with particular sexual proclivities. 0.97

00:46:08.000 It's just amazing how insane the left is that they feel like school children need to be reading about homosexual animals.

00:46:13.000 That's really the thing that kids need to be not reading, writing, arithmetic, you know, 0.95

00:46:18.000 Decent social values. 1.00

00:46:19.000 What they really need to be learning about is where gay bunnies like to put their penises. 1.00

00:46:23.000 Like, I'm just, I'm so confused by all of this. 1.00

00:46:26.000 But, you know, I guess that's the way the left is thinking now.

00:46:30.000 Go back to Martin Luther King leftists, please.

00:46:32.000 Look at what he did to unify the country and worry that maybe you're not using the same tactics.

00:46:36.000 Okay, so.

00:46:38.000 We will be back here tomorrow, and we have many things to discuss tomorrow.

00:46:41.000 Some breaking news on Stormy Daniels' lawyer.

00:46:43.000 We also are going to give you some news about the Mueller investigation.

00:46:47.000 But we will see you then.

00:46:49.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - April 05, 2018

What Was MLK’s Legacy? | Ep. 511

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