The Ben Shapiro Show - Whoopi Goldberg Suspended From “The View” | Ep. 1425

00:00:00.000 Whoopi Goldberg gets suspended from The View for two weeks.

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00:01:29.000 So whoopie Goldberg yesterday, she did her full apologies.

00:01:33.000 You'll remember that two days ago, Whoopi Goldberg went on The View, and she suggested that the Holocaust was not about race.

00:01:38.000 And this tied into a broader ideology of the left, which suggests that Jews are white people, and therefore, the Holocaust was actually white people attacking white people, which is a thing she actually said on air.

00:01:47.000 Then she went on Stephen Colbert, where she quasi-apologized, and then doubled down and suggested once again that the Holocaust was not about racism because it was white people attacking other white people.

00:01:56.000 She issued a written statement.

00:01:57.000 The written statement came out before the Colbert appearance, but probably was written after she had taped for Colbert already.

00:02:03.000 In any case, she came out on the air yesterday, and then she did her fulsome apology.

00:02:07.000 Here was Whoopi Goldberg apologizing on The View yesterday.

00:02:10.000 I said something that I feel a responsibility for not leaving unexamined, because my words upset so many people, which was never my intention.

00:02:21.000 I said that the Holocaust wasn't about race, and it was instead about man's inhumanity to man. 0.79

00:02:27.000 But it is indeed about race, because Hitler and the Nazis considered Jews to be an inferior race.

00:02:33.000 Now, words matter, and mine are no exception.

00:02:37.000 I regret my comments, as I said, and I stand corrected.

00:02:40.000 I also stand with the Jewish people as they know, and y'all know, because I've always done that.

00:02:46.000 Well, I mean, to be technical, you haven't.

00:02:48.000 I mean, I'm old enough to remember when Whoopi Goldberg was retweeting things about massacred Palestinians by the terrible Jews over in Israel. 0.81

00:02:55.000 She tweeted way back in November of 2012, question, who started this round of fighting between Palestinians and Israel?

00:03:01.000 Everyone wants to retweet about their side.

00:03:03.000 Someone explain, please.

00:03:05.000 And then she retweeted a comment suggesting that men, women and children in Gaza, Palestine have been getting massacred for the past week.

00:03:14.000 Right.

00:03:14.000 That is what she retweeted.

00:03:16.000 So, yeah, I mean, It's ignorant and she's been reflective of the left's perspective on Jews and their place in the intersectional pyramid for quite a while here.

00:03:26.000 So no, I don't believe that she has shifted her worldview about the Holocaust. 0.87

00:03:30.000 I believe that she was cuddled into quietude about what she actually thinks.

00:03:34.000 I mean, she basically said that on Colbert.

00:03:35.000 She was like, yeah, I've heard all of your criticism and I don't want to hear it anymore, so I'll just take your word for it.

00:03:40.000 I'll take your word for it.

00:03:40.000 OK, fine.

00:03:41.000 So here's the deal.

00:03:42.000 She's now been suspended for a couple of weeks, according to TV Line.

00:03:47.000 She's been suspended for two weeks.

00:03:48.000 ABC News President Kim Godwin confirmed the suspension on Tuesday and released a statement saying, Effective immediately, I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments.

00:03:57.000 While Whoopi has apologized, I've asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments.

00:04:01.000 The entire ABC News organization stands in solidarity with our Jewish colleagues, friends, family, and communities.

00:04:06.000 So, today's episode of The View aired with four co-hosts, Joy Behar, Sunny Hostin, Sarah Haines, and Tara Setmire.

00:04:13.000 So, again, Combined IQ, that of a kumquat. 1.00

00:04:16.000 The uproar began on Monday's episode of the ABC daytime talk show on that conversation over the graphic novel Mouse and a Tennessee school board not using it for 8th graders and then she had issued an apology on Monday night where she quoted Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL and then she went on Colbert and all the rest of it.

00:04:31.000 So apparently some of the other ladies of The View are very upset about all of this.

00:04:35.000 They say that, really, she shouldn't be suspended for any of this sort of stuff, and they're angry about all of this.

00:04:41.000 But here is the thing.

00:04:43.000 You set the standard.

00:04:45.000 Now, in a normal world, I would say that she shouldn't be suspended.

00:04:48.000 Because I'm basically in favor of people being able to say whatever they want to say, and so long as they aren't calling for violence, and so long as they aren't overtly reflecting Nazi tautologies, then I think they should pretty much be able to stay on the air.

00:05:02.000 Which is why I've never called for the deplatforming of pretty much anyone.

00:05:05.000 Including, by the way, people who I think are absolutely horrifying in every available respect.

00:05:09.000 In fact, even if people are Nazis, I generally think that they shouldn't be taken off places like Twitter or Facebook.

00:05:16.000 Because I believe that the best rebuttal to that sort of terrible speech is better speech.

00:05:22.000 And so, I normally wouldn't think that Whoopi Goldberg should be removed from air.

00:05:24.000 I mean, they knew what they had when they hired her, and nothing has changed since then.

00:05:29.000 Do they have the right to suspend her? 1.00

00:05:30.000 Sure, they have the right to suspend her in the same way they have the right to suspend Roseanne Barr. 0.99

00:05:33.000 But here is where the fun comes to play.

00:05:36.000 Okay, so here's the thing.

00:05:37.000 They didn't just suspend Roseanne Barr for making a racist statement about Valerie Jarrett.

00:05:41.000 They fired Roseanne Barr and took the top-rated sitcom off the air. 0.99

00:05:45.000 So, here is the deal.

00:05:47.000 If you guys are going to play this game, where if somebody is openly identified as anywhere close to a conservative and they say something that is a bad thing, little trademark symbol, if somebody says a bad thing, and they are completely removed from their job, then you don't get to suspend Whoopi Goldberg, you have to fire her.

00:06:03.000 These are the standards, and you set them.

00:06:05.000 And you don't get to play by two sets of standards.

00:06:06.000 I know there are a lot of people on the right today who are just out and out defending Whoopi Goldberg.

00:06:10.000 You know she should keep her job.

00:06:11.000 On a principled level, I agree with you.

00:06:13.000 She should keep her job.

00:06:14.000 But the left does not live on that principled level anymore.

00:06:16.000 And so mutually assured destruction must be achieved here.

00:06:19.000 Because the way that the system currently works is that if you are somebody who is even remotely to the right of Karl Marx, And you say something that the left perceives as bad, they will attempt to deplatform you, they will attempt to destroy your advertisers, and they will demand that you be silenced.

00:06:35.000 And until the left learns that this standard applies to everyone or no one, it should apply to everyone.

00:06:40.000 Until the left learns that they don't get to play this game where Whoopi Goldberg goes off the air for two weeks, but if you're a conservative and you say something similar, then they knock you off air forever, then Whoopi Goldberg should be knocked off air forever.

00:06:53.000 Them's the rules.

00:06:54.000 You made them, and now you get to live with them.

00:06:56.000 The double standard is significantly worse.

00:06:59.000 The double standard is significantly worse than holding them to their own standard here.

00:07:03.000 The reason being, if one side applies the rules and one side does not apply the rules, there really are no rules.

00:07:10.000 There is just a cudgel.

00:07:12.000 And that's what the left has been using.

00:07:13.000 I'll take an example.

00:07:13.000 So Ilya Shapiro, who said something super not racist on Twitter about Joe Biden's Supreme Court pick.

00:07:22.000 He is now under investigation by the administration over Georgetown Law.

00:07:25.000 You'll recall that what the crime was that Ilya Shapiro committed was he posted on January 26th following Joe Biden's pledge to put a black woman on the Supreme Court.

00:07:35.000 What he tweeted was, quote, objectively, best pick for Biden is Sri Srinivasan, who is solid, progressive, and very smart.

00:07:43.000 Even has identity politics benefit of being first Asian Indian American. 0.85

00:07:47.000 But alas, doesn't fit into latest intersectional hierarchy, so we'll get lesser black woman. 1.00

00:07:51.000 Thank heaven for small favors?

00:07:53.000 Okay, so what he meant by that is we will get a person who is lesser, not because they are black, but we will get a black woman who is of lesser caliber than this other judge that Ilya Shapiro was citing as quite brilliant and far to the left.

00:08:09.000 Okay, they took this as he's a racist because he thinks that any black woman, and because of her blackness, is lesser than this other judge, Sri Srinivasan.

00:08:20.000 Well, that's really a misread, and it's an obvious misread.

00:08:23.000 It doesn't matter.

00:08:24.000 Georgetown suspended him pending investigation, and they might fire him.

00:08:28.000 Not a two-week suspension.

00:08:29.000 They might just fire him.

00:08:31.000 In fact, they held a full-scale grievance session with the students on Monday.

00:08:37.000 According to National Review, the aggressive cancellation campaign against Ilya Shapiro continues.

00:08:41.000 On Monday, Georgetown Law Dean William Treanor announced that Shapiro would be put on administrative leave from his new post at the law school's Center for the Constitution, penning an investigation into a series of tweets that Shapiro posted on January 26th, criticizing the use of racial preferences in Supreme Court nominations.

00:08:56.000 Now, number one, what investigation is necessary?

00:08:59.000 The tweets are public.

00:09:00.000 You can read them, and then you can have an opinion.

00:09:03.000 Like, what invest— would he get the FBI on this, exactly?

00:09:07.000 It's not about that.

00:09:08.000 It's about telling the students that we have entered an investigation so that you can dump him.

00:09:12.000 Student activists were unsatisfied on the heels of a Georgetown Black Law Student Association petition calling for Shapiro's termination.

00:09:18.000 A message went out last night announcing that a coalition of Georgetown law students will gather for a sit-in calling for the immediate termination of Ilya Shapiro and for the administration to address BLSA demands.

00:09:30.000 According to this columnist for National Review, Nate Hockman, reporting, When I showed up at the Georgetown University Law Center library this morning to report on the sit-in, I was denied access by school security.

00:09:39.000 But I caught the second half of a livestream of the event, broadcast via BLSA's Instagram page.

00:09:44.000 Dean Treanor himself was front and center, accompanied by Mitch Balin, GULC's Associate Vice President and Dean of Students, Sheila Foster, the Associate Dean for Equity and Inclusion, and Amy Uelman, the Director of the school's Mission and Ministry program.

00:09:56.000 A chastened-looking trainer spent more than an hour answering questions from what appeared to be the BLSA leadership team in a closed auditorium.

00:10:02.000 The dean, striking an apologetic tone, echoed the language of the activists in the crowd, assuring the assembled student he was appalled by the painful nature of Shapiro's tweets and promised to listen, learn, and ultimately do better.

00:10:13.000 But he also seemed to be attempting to appease the students without committing to any definitive disciplinary action for Shapiro.

00:10:18.000 Since we're a private institution, the First Amendment doesn't apply to us, he said.

00:10:21.000 It's not the First Amendment that's the university's guideline.

00:10:23.000 On the other hand, the university does have a free speech and expression policy which binds us.

00:10:28.000 The crowd was skeptical, directly criticizing Treynor's messaging as dishonest and pushing for more aggressive action against Shapiro.

00:10:34.000 One student floated the idea of defunding the entire Center for the Constitution if Shapiro were allowed to remain.

00:10:41.000 You can do as much diversity training as you want with the staff, the student continued.

00:10:44.000 But I feel like the center has a certain ideology.

00:10:47.000 So I really want you to defend why we need it.

00:10:49.000 Beyond like, you know, free speech and beyond diversity of opinion.

00:10:52.000 I want us to think critically about why we still need it.

00:10:54.000 Trainer said he thinks the center is important, but quickly added that he wanted to, quote, draw a line between conservatism and things that are racist.

00:11:01.000 At another juncture, a student demanded that the dean cover for the classes that the activists had missed as a result of the sit-in, suggesting that the move be part of a reparations package for black students.

00:11:10.000 She followed up by insisting that students be given a designated place on campus to cry Is there an office they can go to? 0.98

00:11:17.000 I just don't know what it would look like.

00:11:18.000 But if they want to cry, if they need to break down, where can they go?

00:11:21.000 Because we're at a point where students are coming out of class to go to the bathroom to cry.

00:11:25.000 And this is not in the future, she added.

00:11:27.000 This is today.

00:11:29.000 Dean Balin said, it is really, really hard to walk out of a class or meeting in tears.

00:11:32.000 And you should always have a place on campus where you can go.

00:11:34.000 And if you're finding that you're not getting the person that you want to talk to or not getting the space you need, reach out to me anytime, anytime, and we will find you a space.

00:11:43.000 Another student pressed the deans to send out an email attacking BLSA's critics.

00:11:47.000 So if you oppose them, it's because you are in league with slaveholders. 0.98

00:11:49.000 are attacking us. They are only here because our ancestors were sold for them to be here, she said. So if you oppose them, it's because you are in league with slaveholders. And I think it's a very important fact that it is not talked about explicitly enough because we are still being attacked.

00:12:05.000 Trainer maintained a deferential tone.

00:12:07.000 Dean Foster said, what I hear today is you lost our trust as an institution.

00:12:10.000 And we get that.

00:12:11.000 And we take that responsibility and accountability.

00:12:13.000 We have to take accountability.

00:12:16.000 And then there are murmurs of agreement in the audience.

00:12:18.000 And Dean Traynor said, as Dean Foster said, we've lost your trust.

00:12:21.000 We're hoping to get it back, which is why we are sitting here today.

00:12:23.000 Now, the hilarious thing about all of this is that Georgetown Law has professors Who have said insane things in the past.

00:12:32.000 I mean, there is a professor who suggested recently that people who voted for Trump should basically be destroyed.

00:12:42.000 Aaron Siberian at the Free Beacon recently reported that there were professors at the school who overtly called for discrimination against anybody who would work for a Trump-appointed judge, for example.

00:12:57.000 All of this is absurd.

00:12:59.000 Because this is the way that this works.

00:13:01.000 Right, Nate Hawk, Aaron Siberian wrote that there was a professor named Heidi Lee Feldman in 2020 who tweeted that law professors and law school deans should not support applications from our students to clerk for any judge supported by Trump.

00:13:12.000 Quote, to work for such a judge indelibly marks a lawyer as lacking in the character and judgment necessary for the practice of law.

00:13:18.000 The tweets appear to violate Georgetown's non-discrimination policies and Washington DC's, which prohibit discrimination and harassment based on a political affiliation.

00:13:27.000 Were there any sort of consequences for that?

00:13:29.000 No, of course not.

00:13:30.000 Of course there were no consequences for that, because the double standard only applies to one side.

00:13:34.000 That is the way that this works.

00:13:36.000 We'll get to more of this in just one moment, because this also applies to Joe Rogan and Spotify.

00:13:40.000 Again, either the standard is that if you make a boo-boo, you go away forever, for everyone, which is an unlivable standard, we know it, and they know it, or we continue to play the game where they apply the standard to you, but not to themselves.

00:13:53.000 And that is not a standard, that is just a weapon.

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00:15:06.000 It is important here to mention that the sort of argument that the nationalist conservative crowd has made And it's somewhat well taken is the idea that classical liberalism has no sort of systemic ability to reject the double standard that the left is currently applying.

00:15:25.000 So what the left basically says is that if you say a bad thing, you should go away forever unless you're on our side, in which case you should stay forever.

00:15:33.000 Classical liberals defend that against that by saying everybody should be allowed to say what they want.

00:15:38.000 But the problem with that is, of course, everybody has standards as to what they think should be inside the Overton window and what should be outside the Overton window.

00:15:46.000 And so what nationalist conservatives say, and I would say traditional conservatives have always said, is that when it comes to private institutions, particularly private institutions that are geared toward the right, classical liberalism is not enough.

00:15:57.000 That either institutions retain a certain orientation toward virtue and decency, or they don't.

00:16:03.000 And once you get rid of those orientations, they are quickly replaced by a bunch of hypocritical leftists who cite classical liberalism in order to promote their own viewpoints, and then immediately turn on classical liberalism the minute it no longer suits them.

00:16:14.000 In other words, classical liberalism can only abide in a situation where everybody agrees to the terms of the debate.

00:16:20.000 If not everybody agrees to the terms of the debate, then classical liberalism just becomes a weapon of a certain side.

00:16:25.000 And that is what has happened here.

00:16:26.000 That's what happened in places like Georgetown Law.

00:16:29.000 That's what's happening with regard to The View.

00:16:31.000 They will say, Whoopi Goldberg ought to keep her job because people ought to have freedom of speech.

00:16:34.000 Except not so fast, you, Ilya Shapiro.

00:16:36.000 Not so fast, you, Joe Rogan.

00:16:38.000 Doesn't apply to you.

00:16:40.000 If classical liberalism is not agreed to by all sides, it is not good enough.

00:16:45.000 And you can see the slide at Georgetown Law in particular, from one of these perspectives to another, to a third.

00:16:49.000 This is a good, well-taken point by Matthew Schmitz, senior editor at First Things Magazine, which is a sort of Catholic conservative publication.

00:16:59.000 He points out in 1950, the president of Georgetown denounced the quote, sacred fetish of academic freedom, saying that instead, you actually have to focus in on true concepts.

00:17:11.000 The dean of Georgetown at that point said, the sacred fetish of academic freedom.

00:17:15.000 This is the soft underbelly of our American way of life.

00:17:17.000 And the sooner it is armor plated by some sensible limitations, the sooner will the future of this nation be secured from fatal consequences.

00:17:23.000 Two test questions, which imply limitation, come to mind at once when the matter of academic freedom is discussed.

00:17:28.000 The first is, is the matter being taught true or false?

00:17:30.000 The second, if it is false and presented as such, may one prudently suppose that a good and not evil end will eventuate from its exposition.

00:17:36.000 The true and the good then are the natural limitations of freedom.

00:17:39.000 This is not an area for opinion because opinion does not delineate.

00:17:42.000 For by its very nature, it packages the false with the true.

00:17:46.000 In other words, if the left uses classical liberalism in order to get into the gate and then persuades everybody that everybody to the right is garbage and throws them out the front door, has that been a victory for classical liberalism?

00:17:59.000 This is a well-taken question because we're not talking here about the government imposing limitations.

00:18:05.000 We're talking about private institutions.

00:18:06.000 So what this really does speak to is the idea that if you are going to build an institution on the right, maybe instead of building it around the basic principles of classical liberalism per se, you might consider building it around actual values.

00:18:18.000 Because otherwise the left is just going to use classical liberalism as a weapon.

00:18:21.000 Now, listen, in the best of all possible worlds, here's what we have in American society.

00:18:25.000 We have the old bargain.

00:18:26.000 The old bargain was classical liberalism obtained because the backdrop to classical liberalism is a moral and virtuous people, as John Adams once suggested.

00:18:34.000 John Adams suggested that the only way that you could have freedom is if the people themselves were moral and virtuous.

00:18:40.000 When you have a non-moral, non-virtuous people, in fact, when the idea of morality and virtue have been thrown out the window or have been substituted for by militant secular leftism, then freedom is no longer freedom.

00:18:51.000 Freedom is just either libertinism or it is the reverse of freedom.

00:18:54.000 It is censorship from the left.

00:18:56.000 And that is what we are having right now.

00:18:57.000 So there are two ways to fight that.

00:19:00.000 One way is to reestablish a sense of morality and virtue in the American people.

00:19:04.000 And that does require institutions that are dedicated to morality and virtue rather than the precepts of classical liberalism.

00:19:10.000 The other is to hold the left to account to the tenets of classical liberalism or hold them to account to their own tenets.

00:19:17.000 But one of the two has to happen.

00:19:18.000 Either everybody gets to stay on the air or nobody gets to stay on the air.

00:19:22.000 The left doesn't get to have it both ways.

00:19:23.000 In other words, the left is trying to have it both ways.

00:19:25.000 This is true, for example, with Spotify, where the problems continue to grow.

00:19:29.000 According to showbiz411, Graham Nash wants Spotify to teach our children's facts, not lies.

00:19:34.000 The Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young singer has now joined Neil Young in asking Spotify to remove his songs from their service.

00:19:40.000 This was after Joe Rogan's quasi-apology sort of apology.

00:19:46.000 David Crosby has sided with Neil Young as well.

00:19:48.000 He said on Twitter, if he controlled his catalog, he'd remove it from Spotify.

00:19:51.000 Crosby sold the rights last year.

00:19:52.000 He has no say about his Spotify participation.

00:19:56.000 And of course, this is snowballing.

00:19:57.000 There are other celebrities who want to get in on the act, and that is being forwarded by the actual government.

00:20:02.000 Right now, it actually does turn into a First Amendment issue of Jen Psaki overtly pressuring Spotify to quash Joe Rogan. 0.98

00:20:08.000 Here is Jen Psaki suggesting that COVID disclaimers are not enough.

00:20:12.000 There's quote unquote more that can be done.

00:20:15.000 Our hope is that all major tech platforms and all major news sources, for that matter, be responsible and be vigilant to ensure the American people have access to accurate information on something as significant as COVID-19.

00:20:26.000 That certainly includes Spotify.

00:20:28.000 So this disclaimer, it's a positive step, but we want every platform to continue doing more to call out misinformation and misinformation while also uplifting Accurate information.

00:20:39.000 Ultimately, you know, our view is it's a it's a it's a good step.

00:20:43.000 It's a positive step.

00:20:44.000 But there's more that can be done.

00:20:45.000 There's more that can be done when the federal government is now actually pressuring companies to violate free speech principles.

00:20:51.000 That is a First Amendment violation.

00:20:53.000 And this is super dangerous, which is why, again, whoopie should lose her job. 1.00

00:20:57.000 Again, let's hold them to their standard.

00:20:58.000 Whoopie should lose her job. 1.00

00:20:59.000 She was purveying misinformation.

00:21:00.000 This means she should lose her job.

00:21:02.000 If they're gonna ha- You made this bed, you lie in this bed.

00:21:06.000 Should be the rule from the right. 0.53

00:21:07.000 You made it, you lie in it, or we go weapons down and we try to reestablish some sense of classical liberalism in the country by agreement.

00:21:14.000 Otherwise, it will be all-out warfare here.

00:21:18.000 All right, in just one second, we'll get to the insanity of the race talk of the left.

00:21:23.000 There are a couple stories that pop to mind immediately.

00:21:25.000 We'll get to that in a moment.

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00:22:31.000 Okay.

00:22:31.000 Meanwhile, I have to say that the White House is suggesting that they are authorities on racism, which is what they are constantly doing.

00:22:40.000 They're authorities on misinformation and racism.

00:22:42.000 The media, also authorities on misinformation and racism.

00:22:45.000 Two less reliable sources on these topics have yet to be found.

00:22:49.000 The media and the White House. 0.99

00:22:50.000 They're just garbage at this. 0.98

00:22:52.000 The latest example of this is an article from NBC News that came across the transom and it says, experts say framing affirmative action as anti-Asian bias is dangerous. 0.97

00:23:03.000 My favorite thing that the media does, it really is one of my favorite things, is when they have an article framed as experts say, Because you know how they do these experts say article.

00:23:13.000 What they do is they find someone with a PhD next to their name, who they already agree with, and then they say, up, experts say.

00:23:19.000 Really, do all the experts say?

00:23:20.000 Yeah.

00:23:20.000 Is that what the experts say?

00:23:21.000 Experts in what, precisely?

00:23:24.000 There's no question that affirmative action as currently constituted is biased against Asian Americans.

00:23:29.000 That's what the statistics show.

00:23:31.000 But according to NBC News, to even bring that up is dangerous.

00:23:35.000 Again, this is a free speech issue for the left, because once you start calling things dangerous, you're suggesting it should be censored.

00:23:40.000 That is the goal.

00:23:41.000 This is what they've said about misinformation on COVID-19 with regard to Rogan.

00:23:44.000 This is what they said about Ilya Shapiro, right?

00:23:46.000 All this stuff is quote-unquote dangerous.

00:23:47.000 It's very dangerous.

00:23:48.000 And because it's dangerous, it should be silenced.

00:23:51.000 Classical liberalism does not apply to these people.

00:23:54.000 They don't think it applies to them.

00:23:55.000 This is why they use the framing of dangerous.

00:23:57.000 Because if words are dangerous, then I can use force to shut down your words.

00:24:00.000 So, Kimmy Yam writes for NBC News, quote, After the Supreme Court announced that it will hear the affirmative action cases against Harvard and the University of North Carolina, experts are cautioning against the framing of race-conscious admissions as a form of anti-Asian hate, a tactic that's been employed by conservatives.

00:24:15.000 A number of Republican members of Congress, anti-affirmative action groups, and others have in recent months conflated the race-conscious policy with the anti-Asian racism and pandemic-fueled violence against Asians.

00:24:25.000 The comparisons, experts said, could not only jeopardize affirmative action, which has historically helped minority groups, including those of Asian descent, but also undercut the call to mitigate the very real COVID-related racism being directed at Asian Americans.

00:24:36.000 OK, so slower.

00:24:38.000 What they're saying is that if you say that affirmative action is biased against Asians, that it treats Asians as a group and then throws them out the door.

00:24:38.000 Here is what they are saying.

00:24:46.000 If you say this, then you are somehow fomenting racism against Asians over COVID-19.

00:24:51.000 This is what the experts say.

00:24:54.000 Janelle Wong, professor of American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park.

00:24:58.000 Ooh, ooh, ooh, wow.

00:24:59.000 The experts.

00:25:00.000 Says, they weaponize concerns about anti-Asian attacks and violence against other minorities.

00:25:04.000 This is an old tactic in white supremacy's playbook and should not be allowed to succeed.

00:25:10.000 Well, why?

00:25:12.000 What does that have to do with white?

00:25:14.000 So let me get this straight.

00:25:15.000 To say that Asian Americans ought not be thought of as second-class citizens when it comes to admission Is to be pro-white supremacy? 0.52

00:25:24.000 No?

00:25:24.000 That's the way this works?

00:25:27.000 The Supreme Court will hear two cases next term, which begins in October, in which groups led by Edward Blum, a conservative white lawyer who heads the anti-affirmative action group Students for Fair Admissions, accuse the two schools of discriminating against Asian Americans by putting them at a disadvantage and instead valuing black and Latino students more highly.

00:25:43.000 In this environment, conservatives have amped up a narrative that affirmative action stands as another racist attack against the group.

00:25:50.000 Representatives Young Kim and Michael Steele and Michelle Steele, both California Republicans, said last April they questioned President Joe Biden's commitment to mitigating anti-Asian hate after the Justice Department dropped an affirmative action case against Yale.

00:26:01.000 It's dangerous, says Julie Park, associate professor at the University of Maryland's College of Education.

00:26:06.000 People are vulnerable to misinformation.

00:26:08.000 And so drawing those types of connections is really dangerous and irresponsible.

00:26:12.000 Others, including podcast commentator Ben Shapiro, have also attempted to paint the administration's efforts to combat anti-Asian hate alongside the persistence of racist conscious admissions as hypocrisy.

00:26:22.000 Well, I mean, if I said it, it must be bad.

00:26:25.000 Or alternatively, you're going to have to explain why it is okay for admissions officials to treat Asian American students as second class and why that differs in terms of racist intent from people who target Asian Americans for hate.

00:26:37.000 Why?

00:26:38.000 If you had a country club and it said no Jews allowed, would that not be of the same ilk as people hitting Jews on the street?

00:26:45.000 Wouldn't that be part of the same generalized racist ideology?

00:26:48.000 Would it not?

00:26:49.000 If you had a, let's say, that you had a country club that said no black people here, would that not be part of the same broader racial movement?

00:26:56.000 Would it not?

00:26:57.000 You're gonna have to explain why.

00:26:59.000 But they don't explain why.

00:27:00.000 They just say that it's dangerous.

00:27:01.000 It's always dangerous.

00:27:02.000 And again, the goal of saying that it's dangerous is to silence.

00:27:06.000 They can't even explain why it's wrong.

00:27:08.000 They just go straight to dangerous.

00:27:10.000 Experts, according to NBC News, said the conflation of affirmative action with anti-Asian hate is another transparent attempt by conservatives to use Asian-Americans as a wedge, placing in contention against other marginalized communities.

00:27:22.000 The reality is much different, said Wong.

00:27:25.000 Research shows 70 percent of the group is in favor of the policy, according to a 2020 Asian-American voter survey.

00:27:31.000 Well, how about if they are informed that Asian Americans are widely, disproportionately discriminated against in admissions thanks to such policies?

00:27:37.000 You think the approval ratings hang out up there?

00:27:39.000 By the way, a new study shows that 17% fewer Asian American students get into top colleges than otherwise would if you got rid of the affirmative action policies that exist at these places.

00:27:50.000 It's absurdity piled upon absurdity, but this is the perversion of law, right?

00:27:53.000 These cases will end up in front of the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:27:57.000 And the good news is that Joe Biden and the left again, standards only apply to one side.

00:28:01.000 They can be as racist as they could possibly want to be, which is why Joe Biden is allowed to violate federal civil rights law by openly suggesting that he wants to discriminate on the basis of race in hiring for a Supreme Court slot.

00:28:13.000 Joe Biden, by the way, he thinks he's allowed to get away with this because the Constitution is always evolving.

00:28:18.000 So the President of the United States, who is no longer with us, the late departed President of the United States, was speaking yesterday, and he said the Constitution is always evolving.

00:28:26.000 This is always their take.

00:28:27.000 Again, the goal for the left is never the rule of law.

00:28:30.000 It is always the rule of people who agree with us.

00:28:32.000 This is why they are in favor of magically evolving laws, magically evolving constitutions.

00:28:39.000 Because this means there is no rule to which they can be held accountable.

00:28:42.000 There is just whatever they say today.

00:28:44.000 Here's Joe Biden doing this with the Constitution of the United States, a document written in 1789.

00:28:49.000 Like, really, good job here, Joe.

00:28:52.000 There's always a renewed national debate every time we nominate any president that nominates to justice.

00:28:58.000 Because the Constitution is always evolving slightly in terms of additional rights or curtailing rights, etc.

00:29:06.000 And it's always an issue.

00:29:08.000 When he says always evolving, he means no standards.

00:29:11.000 The rule for the left is no stan- I shouldn't say no standards.

00:29:15.000 It's always evolving.

00:29:17.000 When he says always evolving, he means no standards.

00:29:20.000 The rule for the left is no standards.

00:29:21.000 I shouldn't say no standards.

00:29:22.000 Standards for you, no standards for me.

00:29:25.000 As the old phrase goes, mercy for my friends, the law for my enemies.

00:29:30.000 This is the way that the left tends to think about these particular issues.

00:29:33.000 By the way, this is the same guy who says he's guarding the Constitution and still refuses to allow his White House press secretary to say he's not going to pack the court.

00:29:39.000 Here's the White House press secretary Jen Psaki yesterday being asked if Joe Biden will actually try to pack the court.

00:29:44.000 And she's like, I can't rule it out, you know.

00:29:47.000 Does the president plan to decide what he's going to do on Supreme Court reform before he makes his nomination?

00:29:52.000 He is reviewing the Supreme Court Commission report.

00:29:55.000 I don't have a prediction of when he will conclude his analysis of that.

00:29:59.000 And I just ask because the report includes suggestions about things like changing the number of people on the court and you would think he would want to know who, if he's going to increase the size of the court, who he's going to put on first, right?

00:30:11.000 Trevor, his focus right now is on going through a process that values the seriousness of the role he has as president, where he consults, as you saw today, with Democrats and Republicans to select and nominate an eminently qualified black woman to serve on the court.

00:30:30.000 That's his focus right now.

00:30:31.000 His focus is violating the prescriptions of the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, which is apparently constantly evolving, and also he might pack the Supreme Court.

00:30:39.000 No rules.

00:30:40.000 Forever.

00:30:41.000 Except for my enemies.

00:30:42.000 Again, except for my enemies.

00:30:43.000 This happens to be true with regard to COVID as well.

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00:32:11.000 Alrighty, we'll get to more on all of this in just one second.

00:32:14.000 Brand new study showing that Lockdowns were just a giant failure.

00:32:18.000 First, the first part of Candace Owens' exclusive interview with Dr. Robert Malone aired last night.

00:32:22.000 It's now streaming only at thedailywire.com.

00:32:26.000 If you haven't watched it yet, I highly recommend you do that.

00:32:28.000 And then get ready for part two that airs tonight, 9 p.m.

00:32:30.000 Eastern, 8 p.m.

00:32:30.000 Central.

00:32:31.000 After Dr. Malone's recent interview with Joe Rogan sparked backlash for both Rogan and Spotify, Candace is digging in to make sure the voices on all sides of the VAX issue are heard.

00:32:40.000 Take a look.

00:32:42.000 In order to evaluate any vaccine, you want to hear both sides of an argument.

00:32:46.000 All media and information that we are currently encountering is manipulated.

00:32:51.000 I want to jump in and talk about when your interview with Joe Rogan started going viral.

00:32:55.000 Not only was Google triggered, a whole range of legacy media were triggered.

00:33:01.000 It's an entire ecosystem of illegality and corruption.

00:33:05.000 You should be and you are appropriately outraged about this.

00:33:09.000 You can judge the value of society by how it treats its children.

00:33:13.000 Our treatment of our children has been atrocious.

00:33:16.000 This is the red line, right?

00:33:17.000 This is the line.

00:33:19.000 What is it that drives you to keep going toward truth?

00:33:22.000 I've been given the gift that I might be able to make a positive impact.

00:33:26.000 How can I walk away from that?

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00:33:48.000 All righty, meanwhile, a new Johns Hopkins study is now out and it says that the COVID-19 lockdowns were completely ineffectual.

00:34:00.000 They really didn't do anything.

00:34:01.000 According to the Washington Times, lockdowns in the U.S.

00:34:03.000 and Europe had little or no impact in reducing deaths from COVID-19, according to a new analysis by researchers at Johns Hopkins University.

00:34:10.000 The lockdowns during the early phase of the pandemic in 2020 reduced COVID-19 mortality by about 0.2%, said the broad review of multiple scientific studies.

00:34:19.000 We find no evidence that lockdowns, school closures, border closures, and limited gatherings have had a noticeable effect on COVID-19 mortality, the researchers wrote.

00:34:26.000 The research paper said lockdowns did have devastating effects on the economy and contributed to numerous social ills.

00:34:31.000 The report said they've contributed to reducing economic activity, raising unemployment, reducing schooling, causing political unrest, contributing to domestic violence, and undermining liberal democracy.

00:34:40.000 Again, you could understand doing some of this stuff at the very beginning when we didn't know how severe the virus was.

00:34:45.000 But once we knew that it was radically age-striated and health conditions striated, the lockdowns should have been a thing of the past by May 2020.

00:34:52.000 We should have been telling young, healthy people to go back to work and start socializing.

00:34:56.000 We should have been telling older people that they should stay out of harm's way until this had become endemic. 1.00

00:35:01.000 That's what we should have done.

00:35:02.000 We didn't do any of that because we decided that we were going to let government handle all of it, and government is just a giant blunderbuss.

00:35:08.000 All the government does is create broad, swath policies that are radically ineffectual.

00:35:13.000 The paper concluded, such a standard benefit-cost calculation leads to a strong conclusion.

00:35:17.000 Lockdowns should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy instrument.

00:35:22.000 Researchers at the Imperial College of London predicted that all of these steps, you know, the bans on work and socialization and all of the forced masking, could reduce death rates by up to 98%, and of course that never happened.

00:35:34.000 The new study by researchers Steve Hanke, Jonas Herbie, and Lars Jonning at Johns Hopkins concludes, quote, Overall, we conclude that lockdowns are not an effective way of reducing mortality rates during a pandemic, at least not during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:35:48.000 They examined deaths early during the pandemic, determined that by the end of the lockdown period study on May 20, 2020, a total of 97,081 people had died of COVID-19 in the United States.

00:35:58.000 A prominent study at the time had estimated there would be 99,050 deaths without lockdowns.

00:36:04.000 This was a meta-analysis of dozens of studies examining COVID-19 mortality rates.

00:36:09.000 They said basically the only thing that might have helped reduce deaths at all was closing the bars. 0.96

00:36:14.000 But other than that, they said limiting people's access to safe outdoor places like beaches, parks, zoos, including outdoor mask mandates, or strict outdoor gathering restrictions, pushing people to meet at less safe indoor places, all of that was idiotic. 0.73

00:36:26.000 Does that mean that we're going to stop this sort of stuff in the future? 0.92

00:36:28.000 No, because here is what the government understands.

00:36:30.000 The government understands that fear is contagious.

00:36:33.000 They understand that if they can scare you enough, they can take control of every aspect of your life, which is why they keep trying to scare you about a virus that now has a death rate that is around that of the flu.

00:36:43.000 This is why they are doing this.

00:36:44.000 It is for that reason and that reason only.

00:36:46.000 Fear allows them to do what they want to do.

00:36:49.000 In fact, there's a brand new study from the researchers from California Institute of Technology.

00:36:54.000 And what they found is that fear is contagious, that actually broad numbers of people tend to spread fear rather than believing that there is strength in numbers.

00:37:02.000 They did this kind of fun experiment where they used a haunted house experience with 17 rooms containing various spooky threats during their experiment, and they found that people were actually more scared when the group walking through the house was larger.

00:37:13.000 The team also found that their fear built up and increased as people moved from room to room.

00:37:17.000 Scientists say when faced with fear, people are more likely to have a heightened physical response when other people are around, which is why, of course, people watch horror movies in theaters with other human beings.

00:37:25.000 This phasic effect involves rapid changes the body experiences as it responds to an event and is more likely to happen when other people are dealing with the same thing.

00:37:33.000 Which makes sense, because, evolutionarily speaking, when someone else gets afraid of a thing, that means everybody in the group should run.

00:37:39.000 And when one person reacts by freaking out, everybody should freak out, because that way nobody gets eaten by the tiger.

00:37:45.000 But what this means that if the government can scare a critical mass of people, they can get everybody scared.

00:37:50.000 Because if all of your friends are scared, you start looking around going, why am I not scared?

00:37:54.000 And if everybody is scared, you can get away with nearly anything.

00:37:57.000 The next push, by the way, like you wonder, when is this going to end?

00:38:01.000 All of the COVID restrictions, when's this going to end?

00:38:03.000 France is now loosening up.

00:38:04.000 Denmark has already loosened up.

00:38:05.000 The UK has loosened up.

00:38:06.000 When are people in the United States going to get over this?

00:38:10.000 And the answer is, apparently never.

00:38:13.000 Omicron, by the way, is already on the way.

00:38:14.000 I mean, I'm looking at the Omicron case rates in New York.

00:38:18.000 And right now, if you look at the COVID cases in New York, they've already plummeted.

00:38:23.000 They've already hit the skids.

00:38:25.000 Shouldn't this be the number one story in the country?

00:38:27.000 Okay, so for example, as of two weeks ago, the seven-day case average in New York was 40,000 cases a day.

00:38:27.000 I mean, it really is amazing.

00:38:36.000 Today, the seven-day case average is 4,200, and there are only about 2,000 new cases.

00:38:42.000 The curve looks like a spike, and then it has already receded.

00:38:45.000 It's over in New York, and they are still doing this nonsense.

00:38:48.000 The same thing is happening In Massachusetts, where it spiked all the way up to, I don't know, 64,000 cases a day, and now they're down to about 3,000 cases a day.

00:38:58.000 So the Omicron wave is over, guys.

00:39:00.000 It's already done.

00:39:01.000 The spike is finished.

00:39:03.000 And yet they're still talking about how you must vaccinate your kids, because if you don't vaccinate your kids, then, you know, they could spread it.

00:39:09.000 Mask and vaccinate your kids.

00:39:10.000 And this is why Pfizer is now asking U.S.

00:39:12.000 health regulators to authorize the use of the COVID-19 vaccine in kids under five years of age.

00:39:18.000 My answer to this is no.

00:39:18.000 No.

00:39:19.000 I did not vaccinate any of my kids.

00:39:21.000 There are now eight, five, and almost two.

00:39:24.000 They all got Omicron.

00:39:24.000 They're all fine.

00:39:26.000 Because this has been true throughout the pandemic.

00:39:29.000 And yet, presumably, the Biden administration is now going to adopt the attitude that you can only allow your kids to live normal lives if they are two, if they are vaccinated.

00:39:37.000 Which, of course, is unbelievable.

00:39:37.000 I mean, even Leanna Nguyen at CNN is like, guys, like, enough is enough.

00:39:41.000 She says we need to wait until we know what's safe and effective for kids under five rather than just tranching out vaccines to six-month-old babies.

00:39:49.000 I'm ambivalent right now, John, which is not something that I'd ever thought that I would say about vaccines for under five-year-olds.

00:39:55.000 I'm the mom of two little kids under five.

00:39:57.000 I can't wait until they are vaccinated.

00:39:59.000 But I would wait until we find that the vaccines are safe and effective.

00:40:04.000 And I'm not sure that we can say that at the moment because we just don't have the data.

00:40:09.000 Now, I definitely understand the urgency that many parents are feeling, and I can also understand the point of view that, hey, if three doses are being studied, and two doses will give you some level of protection, and the vaccine is safe, then why not give it?

00:40:23.000 Maybe some parents will make that choice, but I also think that other parents would want to wait until we know that three doses will produce the intended effect.

00:40:31.000 Why look, it's a rational statement from Leanna Nguyen because they're beginning to realize that all of this is devastating to the political prospects of Democrats in 2022 because the American people are not up for this.

00:40:42.000 By the way, it is worth noting here that the general effects of pandemic spending are just egregious.

00:40:47.000 America's national debt over the course of the last week, it just hit the public debt outstanding is now above $30 trillion.

00:40:54.000 $30 trillion.

00:40:55.000 I mean, this is just Unthinkable.

00:41:00.000 I mean, that is an unthinkable statistic.

00:41:02.000 Government borrowing accelerated during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to CNN Business, as Washington spent aggressively to cushion the economic blow from the crisis.

00:41:10.000 Again, the economic blow from the crisis was largely driven by, wait for it, government itself.

00:41:13.000 The national debt has surged by about $7 trillion since the end of 2019.

00:41:17.000 It's impossible to know how much debt is too much.

00:41:20.000 Economists remain divided over how big a problem this really is.

00:41:23.000 But the latest debt milestone comes at a delicate time, as borrowing costs are expected to rise.

00:41:28.000 Because if you have to spend more money to borrow, how are you going to pay off the short-term debt?

00:41:32.000 Because what we tend to do here in the United States is we borrow more money to pay off the short-term debt.

00:41:36.000 We take out a second credit card on a routine basis.

00:41:39.000 Interest costs alone are projected to surpass $5 trillion over the next 10 years and will amount to nearly half of all federal revenue by 2051, according to the Peter G. Peterson Foundation.

00:41:51.000 So that means that half of the money we spend in this country as a government will go to interest payments by 2051.

00:41:56.000 It'll be faster than that because we ain't gonna stop spending at this clip because there are only two ways to pull out of this.

00:42:02.000 Way number one is to get responsible and the other is to hit the wall and we are going to hit the wall absolutely without a doubt.

00:42:09.000 And by the way, if you look at the actual total debt of the United States, like the statistics, it is astonishing how much money we have spent.

00:42:17.000 It is absolutely crazy how we have added to the debt in this country.

00:42:22.000 I mean, and by the way, if you look at the debt to GDP ratio by country, we're in pretty bad shape.

00:42:28.000 I mean, we are not in good shape.

00:42:30.000 If you look at the debt to GDP ratio right now by country, Countries that are fiscally unsustainable, they're on fiscally unsustainable paths.

00:42:38.000 You're looking at countries like Italy, right?

00:42:41.000 133% of their GDP is owed in the national debt.

00:42:45.000 Or Greece, which is at 174%.

00:42:47.000 But the United States is catching up really, really quickly.

00:42:50.000 In 1994, our debt-to-GDP ratio was about 63%.

00:42:51.000 our debt to GDP ratio was about 63%.

00:42:54.000 We only held about $4.5 trillion in total public debt as of 1994.

00:42:59.000 And then if you fast forward to like 2008, we had doubled it, but we were still only at 9.2 trillion by the time George W. Bush left office.

00:43:06.000 And George W. Bush is a big spender.

00:43:07.000 When George W. Bush took office in 2001, there was $5.7 trillion of national debt, total public debt.

00:43:14.000 By the time he left office, it was $9.2 trillion.

00:43:18.000 But it was really over the course of Barack Obama's administration, we started to blow this thing the F out.

00:43:23.000 So in 2009, the total U.S.

00:43:25.000 national debt was $10.6 trillion.

00:43:30.000 And now, our debt-to-GDP ratio is about 74%, which, by the way, again, is higher than, but not supremely higher than, the debt-to-GDP ratio in 1994, which was 63%.

00:43:40.000 Remember, it came down a little bit during the early Clinton years, and then it came down, and then it rose slightly during Bush years, and then in the last Bush year, it rose a lot because of the fiscal crisis.

00:43:52.000 Okay, $10.6 trillion in national debt as of 2009, 74% debt to GDP ratio.

00:43:58.000 Fast forward to the end of the Obama administration, 2016, the last year of the Obama administration, total national debt $18.9 trillion.

00:44:07.000 So Barack Obama nearly doubled the national debt.

00:44:10.000 And these are big numbers now.

00:44:12.000 Now you're talking about $19 trillion by the time that Barack Obama left office.

00:44:16.000 And the debt-to-GDP ratio had risen from 74% to 102%.

00:44:18.000 102.

00:44:18.000 Today, the debt-to-GDP ratio is approaching Greece levels.

00:44:21.000 As of April 2020, we had a total U.S.

00:44:23.000 public debt of about $24 trillion.

00:44:24.000 Today, it is $30 trillion.

00:44:25.000 is approaching Greece levels.

00:44:28.000 As of April 2020, we had a total US public debt of about $24 trillion.

00:44:33.000 Today, it is $30 trillion.

00:44:36.000 It is $30 trillion.

00:44:37.000 By the time we are done with all of this, it's gonna be more like 32, 30, by the end of this year, it's gonna be more like 33, 34 trillion dollars because that's how fast we raised the debt in this country.

00:44:49.000 And that means that our debt-to-GDP ratio, the GDP in the United States is only about $20 trillion a year.

00:44:53.000 That means our debt-to-GDP ratio is going to look like 150%, which puts us somewhere in the neighborhood of Lebanon, Greece, and Sudan.

00:45:01.000 That is not good stuff.

00:45:03.000 We've been fiscally irresponsible, we've spent too much money, and we have done so on the basis that politicians have told us they can alleviate all of our problems and mitigate against all possible risk so long as we give them complete power over us.

00:45:14.000 Amazing, amazing stuff.

00:45:16.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here a little bit later today with an additional hour of content.

00:45:19.000 In the meantime, go check out The Michael Mould Show.

00:45:21.000 That is available right now.

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