The Ben Shapiro Show - Why The Hard Left Is Cheering Queen Elizabeth II's Death | Ep. 1571

00:00:00.000 Queen Elizabeth II dies at the age of 96.

00:00:02.000 Radical leftists take the opportunity to tear into her life and her legacy.

00:00:06.000 Plus, podcast movement apologized for apologizing for my existence.

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00:01:30.000 Every time a historic figure in the West passes away, it seems like it's a chance for a lot of people to dance on that person's grave.

00:01:38.000 Not particularly because they hate that person, but because they don't like the West very much.

00:01:42.000 That is the only reason I can cite for why there are so many people on blue-checked Twitter, so many big thinkers out there, who are using Queen Elizabeth II's death as an opportunity to talk about the evils of the British Empire, to talk about the evils of England, to talk about the evils of Western civilization.

00:01:59.000 The reality is that when a historic figure like Elizabeth II passes away, It reminds us all that there are some pretty stellar things about Western civilization.

00:02:08.000 It reminds us that the link in the chain that we represent in history.

00:02:13.000 Are we going to pass on important eternal values to our children?

00:02:17.000 Or are we going to let those things fade away?

00:02:18.000 Are we going to let those things be ripped apart by forces that don't like the things that make the West unique?

00:02:25.000 The thing that made Elizabeth II a unique figure in world history is not only her tenure.

00:02:29.000 I mean, she presided over the British Empire for 70 years in symbolic fashion, right?

00:02:34.000 Because that was her job.

00:02:35.000 She didn't actually have political power. 0.99

00:02:37.000 She was a person who was expected to be a symbol of British unity, which meant really a symbol of Western civilization.

00:02:44.000 The fact that she presided over the dissolution of the British Empire, the fact that she presided over all of these radical changes that happened in British society, but always held fast to certain principles, both religious and secular, that characterized British society, her death is going to leave a lasting imprint on Britain.

00:03:03.000 Because now we've moved into a new era in the West in which you are not expected to perform your duty, in which you are not expected to represent, say, Judeo-Christian values to your nation, in which the symbolism of having a person who unites the realm, that sort of thing is seen as passé.

00:03:19.000 Instead, we are just an agglomeration of various folks who have been sort of thrust together by the vicissitudes of history.

00:03:25.000 Queen Elizabeth II represented a rebuttal to that.

00:03:28.000 That's what her life was about.

00:03:29.000 Her life was about assuming the crown at the grand old age of 25.

00:03:34.000 When her father passed away prematurely, she already had several children at the time, and she stepped up and her life was really about duty.

00:03:42.000 In 1947, when she was 21, she made a public radio statement dedicating herself to the realm.

00:03:47.000 This is in her birthday address at the age of 21.

00:03:49.000 I'd like you to imagine a 21-year-old today in any Western country making this sort of move.

00:03:54.000 21-year-olds in America today, to take an example, are some of the most immature human beings who have ever walked the planet.

00:04:00.000 They're not even expected to be as mature as, in many cases, 15 or 16-year-olds, 21-year-olds.

00:04:05.000 This is when you are supposed to be living out your truth.

00:04:08.000 You're not supposed to be assuming duty.

00:04:10.000 It's a reminder of a time in Western civilization when 21-year-olds were expected to actually be adults, to watch then-Princess Elizabeth dedicating herself and her life to the English people.

00:04:22.000 I can make my solemn act of dedication with a Herald Empire listening. 0.73

00:04:28.000 I should like to make that dedication now.

00:04:30.000 It is very simple.

00:04:33.000 I declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service and to the service of our great imperial family, to which we all belong.

00:04:48.000 But I shall not have strength to carry out this resolution alone, unless you join in it with me, as I now invite you to do.

00:04:59.000 I know that your support will be unfailingly given.

00:05:03.000 God help me to make good my vow, and God bless all of you who are willing to share in it.

00:05:12.000 This is in the immediate aftermath of World War II, obviously.

00:05:16.000 It also happened to be in the quasi-immediate aftermath of the complete abdication of the crown by the older brother of her father, right?

00:05:24.000 Her father was the younger son of King George V. His older brother, the queen's uncle, was actually supposed to be the king, but you recall your British history.

00:05:32.000 In 1936, Edward abdicated to marry a divorcee who happened to be kind of a Nazi sympathizer named Wallace Simpson.

00:05:38.000 His abdication after less than a year, according to the UK Sun, elevated Prince Albert to King George VI.

00:05:44.000 Ten-year-old Elizabeth was now heir to the throne.

00:05:47.000 So, she was only 21 years old when she made this statement.

00:05:49.000 This was after, by the way, during World War II, she actually drove ambulances on behalf of the British military.

00:05:54.000 It was a pretty funny story.

00:05:55.000 Much later in her life, apparently, a Saudi king visited Great Britain, and she arrived.

00:06:03.000 He got in a car to be driven around, and she was behind the wheel, and she was making a statement that women can drive Because in Saudi Arabia, women were not and still are not allowed to drive.

00:06:12.000 And she then proceeded to take him on, apparently, an extremely exciting car tour where she was driving at high rates of speed just to freak out the Saudi monarch and demonstrate that women actually were capable of driving. 1.00

00:06:23.000 All right, we'll get to more on the death of Queen Elizabeth II in just one second.

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00:07:31.000 She was coronated in 1953 in Westminster, Abby.

00:07:35.000 It was obviously a historic moment because she would then proceed to guide the realm, at least in symbolic fashion, all the way from 1953 to 2022, which makes her the longest-serving British monarch in the history of the empire.

00:07:48.000 So here was a little bit of the coronation.

00:07:50.000 You can see the film.

00:07:56.000 For those who can't see, there's that crown.

00:07:58.000 That crown weighs just an enormous amount being placed on her head. 0.57

00:08:04.000 According to the UK Sun, the Queen spent her first 10 years in charge overhauling the stuffy, unapproachable image of the royals that Brits were used to, transforming them into a more modern and relatable family.

00:08:12.000 She also had to deal with the fact that her sister, Margaret, was a rather difficult person.

00:08:18.000 She televised her annual Christmas broadcast for the first time in 1957.

00:08:21.000 That is an annual tradition that is now watched by millions of people.

00:08:28.000 And she obviously became an incredibly popular monarch.

00:08:32.000 She was very sympathetic.

00:08:34.000 She got married in 1947, the same year that she made that address talking about how she was dedicating herself to the realm.

00:08:42.000 And there's all sorts of wonderful film of her.

00:08:44.000 The Silver Jubilee in 1977, in which she gave a bit of a speech to the British people.

00:08:51.000 In the same golden fairytale coats that carried her to the coronation in June 1953, Her Majesty and Prince Philip.

00:08:59.000 to the thunderous cheers of hundreds of thousands of her subjects lining the room.

00:09:03.000 She goes on a walkabout among her people.

00:09:16.000 The simple but heartfelt... If you fast forward all the way to 1991, Elizabeth was really the glue that held the royal family together, because obviously her kids were very, very difficult.

00:09:28.000 Prince Charles, who is now King Charles III, he obviously had an extraordinarily fraught relationship with Princess Diana and with the new queen consort, Camilla.

00:09:38.000 He had been in love with Camilla.

00:09:39.000 Camilla was now married to a different man.

00:09:40.000 He ended up marrying Princess Diana when he was 31.

00:09:45.000 Diana, I believe, was 19 years old.

00:09:47.000 And then they had just a very difficult relationship.

00:09:49.000 Diana was apparently cheating on him.

00:09:51.000 He was cheating on her.

00:09:51.000 It was a complete mess.

00:09:53.000 Princess Diana went into the public eye with the problems in her marriage, which was considered really not what royals do.

00:10:00.000 Again, if you're a person like Elizabeth II and you're defined by your duty to your country, the idea of spilling all of your dirty marital secrets, which actually have national implications in public to people like Martin Bashir, is something that you are not very much in favor of.

00:10:12.000 Again, she was an emissary from a time when people were expected to keep their marital problems in-house rather than blasting those out on the front pages of the Daily Mail.

00:10:19.000 In any case, in 1991, here was Queen Elizabeth II speaking before Congress.

00:10:24.000 I know what a rare privilege it is to address a joint meeting of your two houses.

00:10:31.000 Thank you for inviting me.

00:10:32.000 The concept so simply described by Abraham Lincoln, as government by the people, of the people, for the people, is fundamental to our two nations.

00:10:50.000 Your Congress and our Parliament are the twin pillars of our civilizations and the chief among the many treasures that we have inherited from our predecessors.

00:11:05.000 Okay, so that right there, by the way, we should just keep that in mind what she says right there because that is the reason why so many people are deeply upset about, you know, the reaction to Princess, to Queen Elizabeth II's death.

00:11:17.000 There are a bunch of people on the left who hate Queen Elizabeth because of that.

00:11:20.000 Because of that.

00:11:20.000 Because of the idea that there's an Anglo-American tradition of parliamentary rule and democracy and these things are bad.

00:11:27.000 And we're going to get to the left's reaction to her death because it really is quite astonishing that this historic human being dies and the first reaction of a lot of people is, well, the British Empire was bad.

00:11:37.000 And colonialism was bad.

00:11:39.000 And democracy and free trade, apparently, were bad.

00:11:42.000 These things, historically speaking, came as a package.

00:11:45.000 That does not dim the evils of colonialism.

00:11:49.000 It does not mean that imperialism is a good thing.

00:11:52.000 But as we'll discuss in just a second, trying to pretend that the legacy of the British Empire, or of Queen Elizabeth II, is somehow an evil, just overall it's bad and evil, Because I guess Western civilization is bad. 0.97

00:12:06.000 That is a fool's errand.

00:12:08.000 As we were talking about with regards to the internal family struggles in 1992, that was the big year, right? 0.96

00:12:12.000 The year after this address to Congress.

00:12:14.000 That is when the marriage between Diana And Prince Charles started to break up.

00:12:20.000 That is the same time that there's a biography on Diana that talked about how Diana had sort of been abandoned by the royal family.

00:12:27.000 Now, the truth is that Diana was, again, not a super easy person.

00:12:31.000 Diana was, she came into the royal family under kind of dim circumstances, given the fact that Charles had originally dated her older sister.

00:12:40.000 She'd come in, she was considered the people's princess, but then she also, you know, was not a particularly stable figure.

00:12:46.000 In any case, when Princess Diana was killed in the car crash in 1997, that sort of historic moment, there was a lot of anger at the royal family because it seemed like they weren't in proper levels of mourning.

00:12:57.000 She was already divorced from Prince Charles by this time, of course, and the Queen had to make a public statement about the death of Princess Diana.

00:13:06.000 Here's a little bit of that.

00:13:08.000 Since last Sunday's dreadful news, we have seen throughout Britain and around the world An overwhelming expression of sadness at Diana's death.

00:13:20.000 So what I say to you now, as your queen and as a grandmother, I say from my heart.

00:13:27.000 First, I want to pay tribute to Diana myself.

00:13:31.000 She was an exceptional and gifted human being.

00:13:35.000 In good times and bad, she never lost her capacity to smile and laugh, nor to inspire others with her warmth and kindness.

00:13:45.000 I admired and respected her for her energy and commitment to others.

00:13:51.000 Okay, so again, this is sort of Elizabeth II's role is that whenever there is a problem, it was her job to sort of patch everything back together. 0.77

00:13:58.000 We'll get to more of Queen Elizabeth II's life in just one second.

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00:15:02.000 She famously in 2011 visited Ireland.

00:15:04.000 The Ireland Independent today has a good piece about this.

00:15:08.000 Says she will long be remembered for wowing the entire Irish nation with a simple head bow at the Garden of Remembrance in May 2011 to heroes who died fighting her country's army.

00:15:15.000 That moment of symbolism was enhanced by some superbly well-chosen words later at Dublin Castle.

00:15:20.000 And then, of course, she gave a speech in the middle of COVID that was, I think, really comforting to a huge number of people across the world, not just in Great Britain in the middle of a time of global turmoil.

00:15:32.000 Here was the Queen of England talking about COVID and its impact on her country.

00:15:37.000 I'm speaking to you at what I know is an increasingly challenging time.

00:15:43.000 A time of disruption in the life of our country.

00:15:46.000 A disruption that has brought grief to some, financial difficulties to many, and enormous changes to the daily lives of us all.

00:15:56.000 I hope in the years to come, everyone will be able to take pride in how they responded to this challenge.

00:16:04.000 And those who come after us will say the Britons of this generation were as strong as any.

00:16:10.000 That the attributes of self-discipline, of quiet, good-humoured resolve and of fellow-feeling still characterise this country.

00:16:21.000 The pride in who we are is not a part of our past.

00:16:26.000 It defines our present and our future.

00:16:29.000 We should take comfort... Okay, so I mean, it was those sorts of values that she represented, right?

00:16:34.000 The sort of quiet, solid...

00:16:36.000 Believe in eternal values over the course of time.

00:16:39.000 The British stiff upper lip, the idea that you can take on challenge, all those things are what she symbolized.

00:16:44.000 Now, the backlash to her death materialized immediately.

00:16:48.000 I mean, not people who were anti her dying, people who were very pro her dying, as it turns out, which is just insane.

00:16:54.000 I'm sorry, that is an extraordinary response to the death of a woman who literally had a symbolic role, and that symbolic role involved things like telling people to buck up under pressure, to understand their heritage, to believe in the values of democracy.

00:17:08.000 So it came in a couple forms.

00:17:10.000 One was the, OK, well, she's a queen. 0.98

00:17:11.000 Who cares?

00:17:12.000 Whatever.

00:17:12.000 You know, we're American.

00:17:14.000 We fought the crown just so we wouldn't have to care about stuff like this.

00:17:17.000 OK, I get it.

00:17:18.000 The reality is that the monarchy of Britain right now is not anything remotely resembling the monarchy of Britain in the time of King George III.

00:17:24.000 She had no political power.

00:17:26.000 And this is something people ought to remind themselves, is that when they're yelling at Queen Elizabeth II, They're yelling at a person whose role is entirely symbolic.

00:17:33.000 She had no political power in Britain.

00:17:35.000 The United States fought King George III and Parliament in order to be free of the political power of King George III.

00:17:42.000 But the truth is that apparently people have a need for royalty.

00:17:45.000 In the United States, we've supplanted the idea of a symbolic leader who is Who's like Queen Elizabeth II. 0.98

00:17:49.000 We've supplanted that with a celebrity culture that is filled with babbling idiots who repeat whatever lines are put in front of them and apparently take their cultural cues and political cues from other television writers. 0.99

00:18:00.000 And those are our royalty. 0.99

00:18:01.000 Over here, our royalty is like Kim Kardashian and Jennifer Lawrence.

00:18:06.000 Over in Britain, the royalty was, you know, Queen Elizabeth II.

00:18:08.000 That's sort of a difference in kind.

00:18:11.000 The human desire to look to symbolic leadership, it's still there.

00:18:15.000 It doesn't disappear just because you get rid of the monarchy.

00:18:18.000 The danger in the United States is when you actually start to identify the symbolic leadership with actual political power.

00:18:23.000 That's how you end up with dictators.

00:18:24.000 That's scary stuff.

00:18:26.000 But, again, her role was more like that of the American flag, almost, than it was like that of a political leader like a Joe Biden or a Donald Trump or something like that.

00:18:35.000 So that was form number one that the backlash to her took, which is, ah, she's the queen, who cares?

00:18:41.000 The other form that the backlash to her took was the British Empire was bad, and she was bad because the British Empire was bad. 0.75

00:18:48.000 Understand that the folks who are saying this are people who are generally historically ignorant or people who fail the easy test of understanding context.

00:18:59.000 People who seem to believe that the evils of the West are unique, but that its goods are universal, which is precisely the opposite of the truth.

00:19:06.000 The opposite of the truth is that the evils that the British Empire visited upon the world, which were not insignificant, they're very real to literally millions of human beings, were accompanied by goods.

00:19:16.000 That were extraordinarily unique to billions of people around the world.

00:19:20.000 And that those evils that the British Empire visited upon people were certainly not unique to the British Empire.

00:19:24.000 They're unique human evils.

00:19:25.000 Those are universal human evils that exist in the human heart. 1.00

00:19:28.000 Pretending that the Brits were the only people who were attempting to expand empire at the time of the British Empire is idiotic. 1.00

00:19:33.000 It's historically ignorant. 0.99

00:19:35.000 The Dutch Empire existed at the exact same time. 0.57

00:19:37.000 The Spanish Empire existed at the exact same time.

00:19:39.000 The French Empire existed at the exact same time.

00:19:41.000 There were colonial attempts within Africa.

00:19:43.000 There were colonial attempts from China.

00:19:45.000 There were colonial attempts all over the world.

00:19:47.000 The question is, what distinguished the British Empire from, say, the Russian Empire?

00:19:52.000 What distinguished the British Empire from the other empires on Earth that were competing with the British Empire?

00:19:57.000 And there, you have to say that the overwhelming legacy of the British Empire is good.

00:20:01.000 I know these are difficult words for people to hear.

00:20:04.000 This does not mean that colonialism overall is a good.

00:20:06.000 It does not mean there are no costs to colonialism.

00:20:09.000 It does not mean that countries should seek colonies.

00:20:12.000 It does not mean it was a good thing for Great Britain to have started implanting forms of government that were in many cases discriminatory and terrible in places like Africa.

00:20:22.000 It does mean that if you're going to rip on the British Empire wholeheartedly, then you at least ought to acknowledge some of the benefits of the British Empire.

00:20:28.000 The things that... I'm always just amused to watch people who are living off the legacy of Western institutions, like the British Crown, then turn around and say, well, they're universally terrible.

00:20:40.000 That's not the way this goes. 0.79

00:20:41.000 So, for example, there's a professor named Uju Anya, who tweeted out, I heard the chief monarch of a thieving, raping, genocidal empire is finally dying. 0.83

00:20:49.000 May her pain be excruciating. 0.90

00:20:51.000 Which is just a delightful sentiment.

00:20:54.000 This person's tweet was deleted by Twitter, which shouldn't have happened, by the way.

00:20:56.000 Twitter shouldn't be deleting tweets. 0.99

00:20:58.000 In fact, I think it's good that people leave tweets like that up so we can all stare agog at their stupidity. 1.00

00:21:03.000 This person is a professor at Carnegie Mellon University. 1.00

00:21:07.000 Quote, that wretched woman and her bloodthirsty throne have effed generations of my ancestors on both sides of the family. 1.00

00:21:12.000 She supervised the government that sponsored the genocide. 0.77

00:21:14.000 My parents and siblings survived. 1.00

00:21:16.000 May she die in agony. 1.00

00:21:18.000 She'd eff you and your deaf friends to genocidal colonizers. 1.00

00:21:22.000 Really, really nice stuff there. 0.78

00:21:25.000 Carnegie Mellon sent out a statement saying, I mean, honestly, back your lady. 0.96

00:21:27.000 You're the ones who hired her.

00:21:28.000 messages posted by Uju Anya today on her personal social media account.

00:21:31.000 Free expression is core to the mission of higher education.

00:21:33.000 The views she shared absolutely do not represent the values of the institution or the standards of discourse we seek to foster.

00:21:38.000 I mean, honestly, back your lady. You're the ones who hired her.

00:21:42.000 But, those sentiments are worth discussing for a second.

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00:22:54.000 Again, this deep-seated hatred.

00:22:58.000 For Queen Elizabeth II, which is really deep-seated hatred for the British Empire.

00:23:02.000 There's a piece in the New York Times that makes sort of the same point.

00:23:05.000 There's a person named Maya Jasanoff, a professor of history at Harvard.

00:23:09.000 She has a piece titled, Mourn the Queen and Not Her Empire.

00:23:13.000 And here's what she says, quote, the end of an era will become a refrain as commentators assess the record-setting reign of Queen Elizabeth II.

00:23:18.000 Like all monarchs, she was both an individual and an institution.

00:23:21.000 She had a different birthday for each role, the actual anniversary of her birth in April plus an official one in June.

00:23:24.000 And though she retained her personal name as monarch, held different titles depending on where in her domains she stood.

00:23:29.000 She was as devoid of opinions and emotions in public as her ubiquitous handbags were said to be of everyday items like a wallet, keys, and phone.

00:23:35.000 Of her inner life, we learned little beyond her love of horses and dogs.

00:23:38.000 Well, maybe that's because she actually fulfilled her duty.

00:23:40.000 Her personal life was simply secondary.

00:23:42.000 The Queen embodied a profound, sincere commitment to her duties.

00:23:46.000 Her final public act was to appoint her 15th Prime Minister.

00:23:48.000 That's an amazing tenure, by the way.

00:23:49.000 The first Prime Minister she appointed was Winston Churchill.

00:23:52.000 And for her unflagging performance of them, she will be rightly mourned.

00:23:55.000 She has been a fixture of stability and her death in already turbulent times will send ripples of sadness around the world.

00:23:59.000 But we should not romanticize her era.

00:24:01.000 For the Queen was also an image, the face of a nation that during the course of her reign, witnessed the dissolution of nearly the entire British Empire into some 50 independent states and significantly reduced global influence.

00:24:10.000 By design, as much as by accident of her long life, her presence as head of state and head of the Commonwealth, an association of Britain and its former colonies, put a stolid traditionalist front over decades of violent upheaval.

00:24:20.000 As such, the Queen helped obscure a bloody history of decolonization, whose proportions and legacies have yet to be adequately acknowledged.

00:24:27.000 So you blame her for colonization, you also blame her for decolonization. 0.96

00:24:31.000 This columnist says Elizabeth became queen of a post-war Britain where sugar was still rationed and rubble from bomb damage still being cleared away.

00:24:37.000 Journalists and commentators promptly cast the 25-year-old as a phoenix rising into a new Elizabethan age.

00:24:42.000 An inevitable analogy, perhaps an appointed one, the first Elizabethan age in the second half of the 16th century marked England's emergence from a second-tier European state to an ambitious overseas power.

00:24:51.000 Elizabeth II grew up in a royal family whose significance in the British Empire had swollen even as its political authority shrank at home.

00:24:57.000 The monarchy ruled an ever-lengthening list of crown colonies, including Hong Kong, India, and Jamaica.

00:25:01.000 By the way, how's Hong Kong doing now that Britain is no longer involved?

00:25:04.000 Has that been a real boon for the people of Hong Kong?

00:25:07.000 I haven't seen it.

00:25:09.000 Queen Victoria, proclaimed Empress of India in 1876, presided over flamboyant celebrations of imperial patriotism.

00:25:14.000 Her birthday was enshrined from 1902 as Empire Day.

00:25:17.000 In 1947, then Princess Elizabeth celebrated her 21st birthday on a royal tour in South Africa.

00:25:22.000 That's that speech that we quoted earlier.

00:25:24.000 She was on tour in Kenya when she learned of her father's death.

00:25:29.000 She presided again over a very long period of time, but the idea here from this columnist is that the British Empire was almost an unalloyed bad.

00:25:39.000 She says what you never know from the pictures is the violence that lies behind them.

00:25:42.000 In 1948, the colonial governor of Malaya declared a state of emergency to fight communist guerrillas, and British troops used counterinsurgency tactics the Americans would emulate in Vietnam.

00:25:50.000 Well, yeah, it turns out that communist guerrillas are bad.

00:25:52.000 In 1952, the governor of Kenya imposed a state of emergency to suppress an anti-colonial movement known as Mau Mau, under which the British rounded up tens of thousands of Kenyans into detention camps and subjected them to brutal systematized torture.

00:26:04.000 The Mau Mau Revolution was quite a bad thing. 0.84

00:26:07.000 That does not justify human rights violations, but can we not pretend that the people of the British were fighting were just wonderful, liberty-minded folks?

00:26:14.000 In Cyprus in 1955 and Aden in Yemen in 1963, British governors again declared states of emergency to contend with anti-colonial attacks.

00:26:21.000 Again, they tortured civilians again.

00:26:23.000 You can't pretend that colonialism was an unalloyed good, but stop pretending that the British Empire was an unalloyed bad.

00:26:28.000 The only reason why there are so many people on the left who are apparently sanguine about the death of Queen Elizabeth II is because this is the way they see civilization.

00:26:38.000 This is what Jamel Hill, who can be counted on for any form of foolishness, she tweeted out yesterday, quote, journalists are tasked with putting legacies into full context, so it's entirely appropriate to examine the Queen and her role in the devastating impact of continued colonialism.

00:26:52.000 Continued, like as in today.

00:26:56.000 Is it possible that maybe countries that were decolonized in the 1960s at a certain point should take credit for, you know, the way that they are being run right now?

00:27:04.000 Meanwhile, Richard Stengel over on MSNBC was doing the same routine.

00:27:07.000 He was talking about how we need to examine the failings of the British Empire, etc.

00:27:14.000 I have to say, to your earlier question, why are American news networks dedicating all of this time to Queen Elizabeth's funeral?

00:27:22.000 I think it's a good question.

00:27:23.000 I mean, I think it's something, there's a weakness in the American character that still yearns for that era of hereditary privilege, which is the very thing that we escaped from.

00:27:37.000 I was hereditary privileged.

00:27:39.000 Or, alternatively, she was a person who stood, again, for things that many Westerners would like to see restored and emulated.

00:27:46.000 And I don't mean colonialism.

00:27:48.000 I mean the simple fact that you are supposed to brave struggles, that you have to look to Judeo-Christian values as your guide.

00:27:54.000 She was a religious person, Queen Elizabeth II.

00:27:56.000 He also added, by the way, you played a clip of her speaking in Cape Town in 1947.

00:27:59.000 That's the year apartheid took effect.

00:28:01.000 British colonialism, which she presided over, had a terrible effect on much of the world.

00:28:04.000 Okay, this is the core argument.

00:28:05.000 The core argument that's made by Richard Stengel.

00:28:07.000 That British colonialism was, again, an unalloyed bad.

00:28:11.000 Let's just be real about this.

00:28:13.000 Without the British Empire, the idea of liberty does not exist.

00:28:16.000 It was the British Empire that ended slavery in the Western Hemisphere.

00:28:19.000 It was the British Empire that fought the transatlantic slave trade.

00:28:22.000 That was not happening in Africa.

00:28:24.000 There's still slave trading happening in Africa and the Middle East right now.

00:28:26.000 It was the British Empire that actively put resources behind the ending of slavery.

00:28:31.000 It was the British Empire that instituted democratic protocols in virtually all of its subject lands.

00:28:37.000 It was the British Empire that spread the idea of political pluralism.

00:28:40.000 It was the British Empire that spread the idea of capitalism and free markets.

00:28:44.000 These things did not exist.

00:28:45.000 I'm pretending.

00:28:47.000 This was one of the questions that was asked sort of frivolously.

00:28:53.000 The movie Black Panther, which has come up because it's come up in the context of colonialism.

00:28:58.000 Ah, this is what Africa would look like if there had been no colonialism.

00:29:02.000 Would it though?

00:29:03.000 I mean really like these are serious.

00:29:05.000 That's a serious question.

00:29:06.000 There's this sort of countervailing history that the left likes to portray in which if Western foot had never set.

00:29:12.000 If Western people had never set meaning like Europeans had never set foot in other places on the globe, all the institutions of the West would just naturally have grown up there. 0.58

00:29:21.000 Technology would have just appeared there like extraordinary, extraordinary levels of political unity would have just happened.

00:29:29.000 Is there a lot of evidence that this is the case?

00:29:31.000 So historian Neil Ferguson, who I quoted earlier this week, he wrote an entire book about the British Empire in which he goes through all of the vicious brutalities of the British Empire.

00:29:39.000 And again, there were many.

00:29:40.000 The British Empire, as I say, was a mixed bag because everything in life is a mixed bag. 1.00

00:29:45.000 But here's what Neil Ferguson points out.

00:29:47.000 Quote, without the spread of British rule around the world, it's hard to believe the structures of liberal capitalism would have been so successfully established in so many different economies around the world.

00:29:54.000 Those empires that adopted alternative models, again, this is the thing, you can look and see that the rest of the world exists.

00:29:59.000 When people look at the British Empire and British values, when they look at those in a vacuum, when you look at anything in a vacuum, it looks bad.

00:30:07.000 This is true of individual human beings, as it is of countries, as it is of empires.

00:30:12.000 When you look at anything in a vacuum, it looks bad because it has bad things in it.

00:30:16.000 But all politics, all of life is comparative.

00:30:20.000 So when you look at the British Empire, you also have to say, okay, what are the alternatives?

00:30:23.000 The Ottoman Empire, was that, was that a wonderful place?

00:30:25.000 How about the Russian Empire?

00:30:26.000 Was that really awesome?

00:30:28.000 Is today's Chinese Empire really a great thing? 1.00

00:30:31.000 Like, how's this?

00:30:32.000 The German attempted empire multiple times.

00:30:34.000 Was that wonderful?

00:30:35.000 How about the Austro-Hungarian?

00:30:36.000 Like, how were these empires going?

00:30:38.000 Were they really that excellent?

00:30:40.000 As Neil Ferguson says, those empires that adopted alternative models, the Russian and the Chinese, imposed incalculable misery on their subject peoples.

00:30:47.000 Without the influence of British imperial rule, it's hard to believe that the institutions of parliamentary democracy would have been adopted by the majority of states in the world as they are today.

00:30:54.000 India, the world's largest democracy, owes more than it is fashionable to acknowledge to British rule.

00:30:58.000 Which, by the way, is why the Indian government paid tribute to Elizabeth II.

00:31:01.000 After her death, its elite schools, its universities, its civil service, its army, its press, and its parliamentary system all still have discernibly British models.

00:31:08.000 Of course, no one would claim that the record of the British Empire was unblemished.

00:31:11.000 On the contrary, says Neil Ferguson, I've tried to show how often it failed to live up to its own ideal of individual liberty, particularly in the early era of enslavement, transportation, and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous peoples. 0.58

00:31:20.000 Yet the 19th century empire undeniably pioneered free trade, free capital movements, and with the abolition of slavery, free labor, invested immense sums in developing a global network of modern communications.

00:31:29.000 It spread and enforced the rule of law over vast areas.

00:31:32.000 Though it fought many small wars, the empire maintained a global peace unmatched before or since.

00:31:37.000 In the 20th century, too, it more than justified its own existence for the alternatives to British rule represented by the German and Japanese empires were clearly far worse. 0.92

00:31:44.000 Without its empire, it is inconceivable Britain could have withstood them.

00:31:48.000 Again, seeing politics in all of its shades of gray is something that people are simply incapable of doing.

00:31:55.000 It's very difficult for folks to do that, to accept the bad along with the good.

00:32:01.000 But even put all that aside, in the end, Elizabeth II was not a person responsible for either colonialism or decolonization.

00:32:10.000 Elizabeth II was a symbolic figure, and it's precisely that symbol that people don't like.

00:32:14.000 She was a symbol of a Western civilization that stands up for its own values and its own heritage, that sees all the goods that it has produced over the course of time, and it celebrates those goods.

00:32:25.000 That is what Elizabeth II represented. 0.68

00:32:28.000 And so with her goes a chain in that A link in that long chain of history.

00:32:34.000 And what's taking over for it?

00:32:35.000 I think a lot more drama.

00:32:38.000 I don't know what King Charles III is going to be like.

00:32:41.000 According to the BBC, he'll be known as King Charles III.

00:32:43.000 That was the first decision of the new King's reign.

00:32:45.000 He could have chosen from any of his foreign names.

00:32:46.000 He could have been Charles Philip Arthur or George.

00:32:49.000 Prince William will not be automatically Prince of Wales.

00:32:52.000 That will have to be conferred on him by his father.

00:32:54.000 That, of course, is what is going to happen.

00:32:55.000 William is going to be heir to the throne now.

00:32:58.000 Apparently Charles will be officially proclaimed King on Saturday.

00:33:01.000 That's going to happen at St.

00:33:02.000 James Palace in London.

00:33:04.000 The King attends a second meeting of the Accession Council along with the Privy Council.

00:33:07.000 It's not a swearing-in at the start of a British monarch's reign in the style of some other heads of state like the President.

00:33:12.000 Instead, there's a declaration made by the new King that he'll make an oath to preserve the Church of Scotland.

00:33:18.000 And what is he actually going to be like as King?

00:33:21.000 Nobody really knows.

00:33:22.000 A lot of people have been dreading this because obviously Charles has led a rather interesting personal life.

00:33:26.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, Aids to King Charles, formerly Prince of Wales, have said the new monarch envisions a slimmed-down, lower-cost royal family that remains at the center of Britain's national life.

00:33:36.000 To do that, he must unite his family, as the House of Windsor is grappling with strained relationships.

00:33:41.000 Well, yeah, it's now Queen Elizabeth II.

00:33:43.000 The reason people liked her is because she wasn't Meghan Markle. 1.00

00:33:45.000 It's because she wasn't using the royal throne as a sort of prop in her own political ambitions or her own attempt to build some sort of public-facing image. 0.99

00:33:59.000 His first task will be to lead a country in mourning as it comes to terms with the death of Queen Elizabeth.

00:34:03.000 He's expected to address the nation on Friday and then later tour it.

00:34:06.000 King Charles only has a 42% approval rating.

00:34:09.000 Palisades said they expect his popularity to rise as the country grows accustomed to him in the role of king.

00:34:14.000 He is the oldest person to ascend to the British throne because he is taking over well into his... How old is he at this point?

00:34:21.000 King Charles III.

00:34:22.000 He's 73 and he's taking over for his mom, which demonstrates how long his mom was the monarch.

00:34:30.000 As Prince, Charles was more than willing to use his status to push for change, particularly on issues related to the environment and climate.

00:34:35.000 In the past, he's written to British government ministers to lobby on subjects ranging from the plight of the Patagonian toothfish to the dominance of big chain supermarkets.

00:34:42.000 He has designed his own town and launched a brand of organic food.

00:34:46.000 Officials say that King Charles will step back but not totally abandon those campaigning ways.

00:34:49.000 He will be a convener of kings, said an aide who added the king intends to use his contacts to bring people together to solve problems.

00:34:56.000 Some say the prince was right to use his time waiting to become king to push for change.

00:34:59.000 Some of his campaigns have proven farsighted, according to others, because of course he's been big in the green movement.

00:35:05.000 But again, this is not really his job, right?

00:35:08.000 His job is to be symbolically uniting the nation.

00:35:12.000 Again, the West needs more symbols that unite and fewer Sort of cheap political leaders who divide.

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00:36:19.000 Meanwhile, as I say, you know, we here in the United States, we like to flatter ourselves.

00:36:28.000 We don't have monarchs.

00:36:29.000 We don't do this Elizabeth II thing.

00:36:31.000 No, we do.

00:36:31.000 We just elect them and then we treat them like monarchs.

00:36:33.000 I've been railing for years against, for example, the idiotic spectacle of the State of the Union Address. 0.99

00:36:39.000 I hate the State of the Union Address. 1.00

00:36:40.000 It's monarchic.

00:36:41.000 It's more lavish than anything the royal family does.

00:36:45.000 I mean, we spend more money on the president's vacations than the Brits spend on the royal family.

00:36:49.000 In fact, you know, our presidents aren't supposed to be like regular people.

00:36:52.000 We elect dullards to the highest offices in the land, and then we treat them like monarchs. 1.00

00:36:57.000 Which is why I suppose Corine Jean-Pierre spent yesterday defending the fact that Joe Biden has been taking like eight vacations every month.

00:37:02.000 17% of Americans have, according to this Gallup poll, have canceled vacations or traveled less.

00:37:09.000 The president's been to his beach house six times this year.

00:37:12.000 He's been in North and South Carolina on vacation.

00:37:14.000 Has the president himself considered personally reducing his spending because of inflation or had the administration reduced spending?

00:37:21.000 So can I say, I'll say this, the times that the president has gone to Delaware, not including and we were very clear that when he went to South Carolina in August, And Rehoboth, he was going to go spend time with his family, which every president does.

00:37:37.000 That is not unusual.

00:37:38.000 That is not uncommon to do.

00:37:40.000 And the president has a right to spend time with his family, just like every other American across the country.

00:37:44.000 Well, is every other American taking this many vacations from their job where you're the most powerful person on the planet?

00:37:52.000 Didn't know that.

00:37:53.000 But again, the way that Americans see their politicians is essentially like royalty.

00:37:57.000 We have a couple of royalty sort of oriented things that we in America like to do.

00:38:03.000 We have our celebrity class, those are royalty.

00:38:04.000 And then we have our politicians, who we treat like royalty. 1.00

00:38:08.000 Both of these things are unbelievably stupid. 1.00

00:38:10.000 The biggest problem is with treating our politicians like royalty, because when you do that, they actually start to act like kings, like old school kings. 1.00

00:38:16.000 So the thing about the monarchy that used to be that is the monarchy used to have actual power.

00:38:19.000 Now the monarchy has no power in Britain.

00:38:22.000 But when you unite celebrity worship, With political power, what you end up with is the possibility of people using that extraordinary power in order to crack down on their political opponents.

00:38:33.000 Today's perfect example of this, and it really is quite frightening actually, is Kathy Hochul.

00:38:37.000 So Kathy Hochul is the governor of New York, and she tweeted out a couple of days ago, quote, Everyone needs to do their part to combat gun violence.

00:38:44.000 American Express, MasterCard, and Visa should categorize firearm purchases and flag as suspicious activity, just like they do for millions of other transactions.

00:38:52.000 Together, we can help stop gun trafficking and keep New Yorkers safe.

00:38:56.000 So again, the idea here is that now your credit card company is supposed to keep tabs on you if you exercise your Second Amendment rights.

00:39:02.000 And this is part and parcel of a broader left-wing attempt to basically cudgel corporate America into doing their bidding.

00:39:07.000 Using ESG to tell energy companies that they need to stop drilling for oil and natural gas, for example.

00:39:14.000 Attempting to get credit card companies to remove NRA giveaways and breaks that you get on your credit card because the NRA is super, super bad.

00:39:25.000 Unbanking of large swaths of the American public that the left would really, really like to see.

00:39:31.000 That sort of stuff is scary.

00:39:33.000 Again, when you unite worship of government with powerful government figures, you end up with some really negative stuff.

00:39:39.000 And if you're talking about things that are capable of splitting apart a polity, that would be it.

00:39:43.000 Once politicians start using the auspices of private business in order to shut down their political opposition, that's truly frightening stuff.

00:39:51.000 By the way, this applies on the left as well as the right. 0.92

00:39:54.000 I mentioned before that there's this idiot professor from Carnegie Mellon University who was putting out this tweet about how she hoped that Queen Elizabeth II suffered on her deathbed. 0.83

00:40:03.000 Well, that tweet was taken down by Twitter. 0.98

00:40:06.000 That's not something Twitter should be doing.

00:40:09.000 When you have private corporations that are basically acting as censors, that is not a good thing.

00:40:15.000 It's not good when Mark Zuckerberg goes on Joe Rogan and admits that the FBI basically asked him to quash the Hunter Biden story.

00:40:23.000 That sort of stuff is not worthy of a great republic.

00:40:28.000 But more and more, we don't have a great republic so much.

00:40:32.000 In order to sort of restore that, we're going to have to restore some of the common bonds and common vision that made America unique.

00:40:38.000 So actually, I do have one piece of good news today.

00:40:40.000 So, you know, remember a couple of weeks ago, I went over to Podcast Movement in Dallas.

00:40:45.000 It's a sort of personal piece of good news, but I think it has some larger I think it has some larger consequences for the American public debate.

00:40:51.000 So you'll remember that it was a national news story because I went over to this conference called Podcast Movement.

00:40:57.000 We had bought a booth over there and I just walked the floor.

00:41:01.000 I happened to be in town for actually another event and my people were like, do you want to come in?

00:41:04.000 Do you want to say hello?

00:41:06.000 I went, I walked the floor a little bit and Podcast Movement then put out this abject apology for my presence.

00:41:11.000 They said that my very presence, my very existence was threatening to some people and they couldn't and they regretted the harm that it had caused.

00:41:19.000 Well, yesterday, finally, they decided that they were going to back off of that.

00:41:24.000 So, they put out a statement suggesting that they were apologizing for that.

00:41:32.000 They said, quote, as we stated, we're continuing to evaluate our policies and guiding social media and events with inclusivity, diversity, and respect for all.

00:41:40.000 We have to start by sincerely apologizing to Mr. Shapiro for our reaction when he visited a booth we sold his company.

00:41:44.000 That wasn't right.

00:41:45.000 So that is a good sign.

00:41:47.000 That's a good sign for America. 0.98

00:41:48.000 When people back off of censorious viewpoints, that is a very good.

00:41:51.000 In fact, this may be the first time I've actually seen.

00:41:54.000 And so good for podcast movement.

00:41:55.000 Again, no hard feelings.

00:41:56.000 That's the way this works.

00:41:56.000 If you do the right thing, then we praise you.

00:41:59.000 Not just on the right, but in the center. 0.64

00:42:01.000 People who said this is ridiculous, you can't do this.

00:42:03.000 You can't just call yourself a sort of pro-free speech, pro-diversity of viewpoint event, and then ban the biggest podcaster on the political right, and the biggest political podcast in the country. 0.67

00:42:14.000 You can't do that.

00:42:15.000 And so good for podcast movement.

00:42:17.000 Again, no hard feelings.

00:42:19.000 That's the way this works.

00:42:20.000 If you do the right thing, then we praise you.

00:42:21.000 And if you do the wrong thing, then we smack you.

00:42:23.000 And podcast movement backed off.

00:42:24.000 And I think that that actually is a good sign for the country because again, if we're going to have any shared values, one of those values has to be the ability of people to speak freely on a variety of political topics, even if we disagree with them.

00:42:35.000 I know that that's a hard one for many people on the left, but it also happens to be incredibly valuable.

00:42:39.000 So whenever there's a victory in the business sphere about that.

00:42:42.000 As we just saw with Podcast Movement, that is worthy of praise.

00:42:46.000 And thanks also to our allies and our business partners over at Cumulus who had essentially told Podcast Movement they continued along these lines.

00:42:52.000 They were going to pull their money and they would stop sponsoring Podcast Movement.

00:42:56.000 Good for Podcast Movement for recognizing the failure of the principles that they had suggested they actually believed in.

00:43:02.000 And I'm glad that they've reverted back to a more free speech appropriate attitude.

00:43:06.000 Alrighty guys, the rest of the show is continuing right now.

00:43:08.000 You're not going to want to miss it because we're going to be getting into The continued energy failures in California plus the hilarity of DC council members now complaining about illegal immigration.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 09, 2022

Why The Hard Left Is Cheering Queen Elizabeth II's Death | Ep. 1571

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