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00:00:00.000 hello and welcome once again to the brock prince i'm your host jamie schmale member of parliament

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00:00:26.420 there on today's show our guest is no secret probably from the intro but we are going to

00:00:32.540 talk about the public safety minister once again saying the quiet part out loud in regards to the

00:00:38.480 government's firearms confiscation program so we bring on the one and only the brockinator

00:00:44.980 larry brock member of parliament for brantford brant south six nations also the critic for

00:00:51.080 justice thanks for coming on once again and thank you so much it's always a pleasure to attend the

00:00:56.800 brock print but i guess we're going to have to change our mugs we are right we'll have to get on

00:01:01.300 that in the screen we have a whole new logo of rebranding i think i think in total guest appearances

00:01:08.080 you are probably i rate i think you're number one pretty high on repeat pretty high repeat guest

00:01:14.900 appearance one of my favorite podcasts in the entire nation you have to say that you have to say

00:01:19.100 that i appreciate that uh but let's get right into it because something actually remarkable happened

00:01:26.240 the liberals a liberal told the truth about something all right so let's throw up the slide

00:01:33.460 here so the public safety minister caught on a recorded message he was talking to a tenant of his

00:01:39.760 probably obviously not knowing he was taped but what he was saying was quite

00:01:47.480 shocking i think most legal firearms owners knew what the plan was and why the liberals were moving

00:01:56.040 forward with their confiscation program but to actually have it said out loud and debunk everything

00:02:03.780 the liberals have said about the reasons why they need to go after legal firearms owners uh is truly

00:02:12.220 amazing i think it it it it shows that our analysis of the situation was correct

00:02:17.740 been correct for four plus years right the ongoing narrative that this was not about community safety

00:02:26.500 it was all about politics case in point he confirms in the leaked audio tape that it was about

00:02:35.560 preserving votes in the province of quebec yeah that he's personally opposed to the whole concept

00:02:41.500 was willing to actually pay the difference of whatever the loss may be for that friend who

00:02:48.520 was a licensed firearm owner and then to compound that to even suggest oh by the way if you happen to get

00:02:56.040 arrested i'll bail you out but he was kind of in denial about him being arrested like you won't happen

00:03:01.500 don't worry about it competence is just through the roof yeah like mr our pal the public safety minister

00:03:08.720 uh what is an our pal um like we we knew that they had candidates running for them we knew the liberals

00:03:16.540 were running candidates in quebec that were against even even i think firearms for hunting right even the

00:03:25.000 most basic firearms for sustenance i i think they were against that we knew they were running those candidates

00:03:30.120 so they're embedded within the party and so for the public safety minister as you said to come out

00:03:35.760 and say i don't agree with this program but it also goes to his credibility right not knowing what

00:03:41.140 an our pal is not knowing the licensing system uh to to then go and say well you know i'm doing it

00:03:47.020 anyway so what you just want to preserve your spot in cabinet you know and if they had any degree

00:03:52.680 of legitimacy and i don't give them any degree of legitimacy on any of their policies but

00:03:58.140 for them to say that we actually care about community safety and gun violence and that's why

00:04:04.860 we're forging ahead notwithstanding my comments with this uh gun buyback program if they really cared

00:04:11.520 they wouldn't have produced bill c5 right eliminating mandatory minimum penalties for serious

00:04:19.940 firearm offenses just goes to show that this was all about politics all along never about community

00:04:28.300 safety and we've been talking about that licensed firearms been talking about that firearm advocacy

00:04:35.240 groups have been talking about that so we finally got a minister who breached all kinds of cabinet

00:04:42.080 confidences let's imagine right you know the mass the machinations going on behind the scenes

00:04:48.320 because of his loose lips but ultimately the truth comes out and it embarrassed the minister but so

00:04:55.440 be it it proves we were right all along and how many times jamie have our party been right all along

00:05:02.800 on a myriad of issues right too many to count and so when when we bring this up about this firearms

00:05:09.420 confiscation program which is a complete disaster we can now they used to the liberals used to counter

00:05:15.780 with oh it's political you know posturing blah blah blah now we can say no we are actually aside from

00:05:24.340 repeating what our constituents are telling us we can actually use the words of the minister himself

00:05:28.980 and we will with every opportunity that we can yeah it's unbelievable keep repeating those words over

00:05:35.140 and over and over again so you brought up c5 which reduced sentences for pretty serious offenses we also

00:05:40.980 have c75 let's throw up a couple slides here uh where the revolving justice system door continues to

00:05:47.380 swing and we have comment after comment about bail reform issue this this one in welland is is absolutely

00:05:55.140 incredible a massive turnout of public support for the family the victim but also the fact that uh the

00:06:02.900 the accused the suspect here it just continues to go on a rampage you have another one and you know we

00:06:08.580 could fill the whole show with this this this slide deck which is a shame because that means there's

00:06:13.140 actually more victims uh out there than that are getting their proper attention let's face it canadians

00:06:19.060 are absolutely terrified but more importantly they are fed up with the lack of urgency that the carny

00:06:27.620 liberal government is exercising on public safety you know and i've said this so many times i've lost track

00:06:35.140 the number one responsibility of any federal government is to keep us safe and how many more

00:06:43.060 pleas do we need to hear from all the important stakeholders across this country to get them to

00:06:49.220 do their job now sean fraser promises a crime bill it's going to address community safety is going to address

00:06:56.980 all of these violent repeat offenders terrorizing our communities how much more do we have to wait

00:07:04.100 what you know the nice thing about politicians jamie we can walk and chew gum at the same time

00:07:10.260 i appreciate why their priorities you know once after the election was about our economic relationship

00:07:16.980 moving forward with the u.s but they could have introduced all kinds of other bills in that time

00:07:23.780 frame and and to have the justice minister say you'll just trust us you know you just trust us we're

00:07:29.700 going to be able to deal with this head on once and for all same type of language same type of promises

00:07:36.580 that our former justice minister arif varani said he was going to deliver with bill c48 which was an

00:07:44.020 absolute disaster and for your viewers c48 according to the government was to make it exceedingly difficult

00:07:53.060 for individuals charged with a number of other serious offenses from getting bail it created a

00:07:59.300 reverse onus provision that when they ran the bail hearing they had the onus to establish why they

00:08:05.540 should be released well it didn't move the needle at all and i was sounding the alarm notwithstanding we

00:08:12.900 all voted in favor of it as a caucus i was sounding the alarm that it's not going far enough and what i

00:08:20.180 mean by that is until such time as this government basically removes and moves away from this whole

00:08:29.060 concept of principle of restraint under section 493.1 of the criminal code that is the problem and

00:08:36.580 it's been the problem since c75 was introduced in 2019 which mandates that every judge that hears a bail

00:08:45.780 application every day across this country shall release the accused at the earliest opportunity

00:08:52.980 on the least restrictive conditions regardless of the offense they were charged with regardless of the

00:09:00.180 carnage and and uh and circumstances affecting the community or the victim regardless of the person's

00:09:06.900 criminal record which may include a history of violating bail orders or a history of committing the

00:09:13.060 the same offense over and over again and even regardless if they're on all kinds of previous releases

00:09:20.020 according to the liberal government you qualify for a release and that's what people are absolutely

00:09:28.180 fed up with the case in point all the clips that you saw you can't pick up the newspaper you can't read

00:09:35.540 it online you can't watch news or listen to the radio with another example of someone

00:09:43.060 who made the promise to a judge that they would abide by conditions only to be released they'll say

00:09:50.180 whatever it takes to get released get out on the street and continue on their criminal path now the

00:09:56.420 liberals have said as you mentioned a few moments ago that look that they're going to try to fix the

00:10:00.580 legislation that they broke the system with in the first place having said that who are or have been

00:10:08.260 some of mark carney's closest advisors we have marco mendicino who is the public safety minister through

00:10:14.500 this disaster as well as david lemeni who is the justice minister at the time which combined brought

00:10:20.660 in the situation that we're having now with c75 and c5 like so you're saying we will fix the problem

00:10:27.940 we created with the people who created the system in the background managing the the puppet show here

00:10:33.700 isn't that the definition of insanity right i don't get it you know we created the mess but trust us

00:10:41.380 to correct the mess that we create now we're the heroes we're captain canada yeah we're coming in

00:10:46.900 we're coming in we're coming in on our white horses and we're going to save this country they've got

00:10:51.060 this right absolutely it's ludicrous now you have a petition do you still have it up on your website

00:10:55.540 absolutely my petition my petition well i said to myself you know as an opposition member as a shadow

00:11:02.980 critic for justice what can i do what kind of project can i take on over the summer and i said

00:11:08.420 to myself well for the last four years this government has heard from all the important

00:11:14.020 stakeholders premiers of every province regardless of political affiliation they've heard from police

00:11:20.500 chiefs they've heard from presidents of police associations they've heard from victim groups

00:11:24.980 they've heard from mayors from small communities mid-size small towns small cities large cities

00:11:31.060 metropolis cities all saying the same thing deliver us with a bail bill that promotes community safety

00:11:42.260 first and foremost not this ludicrous catch and release repeat rinse repeat rinse type of system that we

00:11:50.500 have that rewards bad behavior for four years jamie they've been saying the same thing largely ignored

00:11:58.900 by not only justin trudeau and his government now mark carney and the same government so i said what can i do

00:12:06.260 what can i do to raise awareness so i said how about if i created a petition to hear from everyday canadians

00:12:14.100 from all walks of life from every corner of this country demanding the immediate repeal of of the

00:12:22.180 catch and release principle of restraint and replacing it with the principle of community safety so i

00:12:29.060 created that petition my hope was to go viral my my goal which was a stretch goal using the words of former

00:12:36.420 premier kathleen winn a stretch goal to have a million canadians from coast to coast to sign my

00:12:43.860 petition so i can go back to the house and say prime minister minister um fraser for four plus years

00:12:53.300 you've ignored the calls from all those stakeholders how now are you going to ignore the calls of a million

00:13:01.140 plus canadians who are demanding that you do your job and keep us safe we even one went we even went

00:13:08.980 one step further our pal and colleague our pancana from oxford the riding in ontario and southwestern

00:13:15.220 ontario came up with a private members bill indeed he did jail not bail to help piggyback on your

00:13:20.660 petition absolutely calling for that implement so we are actually piecing it all together for the government

00:13:26.180 we are we're laying we're doing the homework and we are inviting them as our leader has often done

00:13:32.580 on numerous policy issues steal our ideas we want a united country we want a safe country in my view

00:13:42.660 when it comes to community safety it's not a partisan issue never should be never will be every canadian

00:13:50.740 wants to live in a safe community so we invited the liberal government to take our ideas poach it do

00:13:58.260 what you want to do so long as the end goal is to stop prioritizing the needs of criminals over that

00:14:06.420 of community safety and up until justin trudeau i think every political party did agree maybe the ndp

00:14:13.940 was questionable but did agree that crime is bad unsafe communities are bad citizens being robbed

00:14:21.700 assaulted murdered was bad and justin trudeau flipped that on his head flipped it all on its head and it's

00:14:29.220 some bizarro world where people are supposed to be okay to continue to get their hoads broken into

00:14:34.980 they're supposed to be okay with getting robbed in the street or having an addiction and mental health

00:14:39.700 crisis everywhere you look in every as you said every size of community it it is you can't go

00:14:46.500 anywhere without seeing it and this is the result of liberal governments the last 10 years and i would

00:14:51.860 even suggest it goes beyond 10 years i actually did a lot of research over the summer about the origin

00:14:59.540 of why the liberal party traditionally has been on the side of the accused versus community safety and

00:15:07.060 victims i found out in the early 70s under pierre elliott trudeau's leadership his then justice minister

00:15:17.380 proudly stated in the house of commons that the whole goal of rehabilitating criminals would be

00:15:25.860 priority number one even if it compromised the exact words if it compromised community safety

00:15:33.700 that goes back over 50 years jamie so his son justin heard it around the dinner table probably

00:15:39.700 must have so the ball was set in motion and it can kind of finish i would say under the chretchen and

00:15:47.060 martin i think i think some people would argue they went a bit light but they were definitely not in the

00:15:52.500 same place as trudeau senior and trudeau junior i would agree definitely not yeah um all right so we're

00:15:58.180 proposing we're almost out of time here but uh so we are proposing for those and and last week we had

00:16:04.580 michael guliamin from york region a newly elected member of parliament and york region ontario a

00:16:10.900 region above toronto is going through a massive massive crime wave it is insane when you look at the map

00:16:17.140 uh significant problem with home invasions including the execution of one individual one homeowner in

00:16:24.020 front of his children which is absolutely horrific um so we're going to come up with well we have

00:16:30.260 presented a couple ideas let's cut one let's hear our leader talk about it uh to protect those home

00:16:35.460 owners uh you know in a time of extreme stress play cut one the law needs to be clear that if someone

00:16:43.940 comes into your house uninvited to steal your property or harm your family you need to do what is

00:16:50.100 you need to be able to do whatever is necessary to stop them and my message to the criminal thugs

00:16:59.220 who are invading the homes of canadians in unprecedented number numbers because of liberal laws

00:17:05.380 is that you should be in serious danger if you go into someone's house illegally and try to harm them

00:17:11.860 if you don't want to be harmed then don't invade someone's house and don't threaten their security

00:17:18.420 the law needs to be very clear that people have the right to defend their homes and their families

00:17:24.900 against lawbreakers the audio was a bit off but you get the point yeah how does it stand now what is

00:17:31.060 the law now if someone was breaking into my home what can i do to protect myself and my family so the the

00:17:39.140 laws of self-defense have been on our books for decades section 34 and 35 set out the principles and

00:17:46.660 the test that is applied when anyone is charged with going beyond the element of self-defense so in

00:17:56.660 essence what it says is the courts would assess the reasonableness of the actions taken to defend your

00:18:07.700 person or to defend your property based on a nine factor test and the ludicrous of of that particular

00:18:19.300 test is it enables a judge sometimes months if not years removed from the incident to therefore second

00:18:28.340 guess the split second actions taken by a homeowner or someone defending their person as to whether

00:18:37.460 the actions taken in a split second were reasonable in all the circumstances

00:18:45.860 so it's vague it's very very subjective yeah it depends really who your judge is true can they put

00:18:52.340 themselves in the mind of that person who made them had to make that split second decision is a judge

00:18:59.700 thinking maybe you should have ran maybe you should have used a a left a lesser uh severe weapon to

00:19:08.100 defend yourself on and on and on it's always second guessing the actions it's very problematic for

00:19:15.540 people who are trying to assert that as a defense running you got a motion no question no question

00:19:22.100 like so our party our leader in particular recognized this problem in in light of what you just described the

00:19:30.500 ever-increasing rise of extreme violent home invasions which tragically quite often lead to death i'm

00:19:41.460 thinking about the man and our colleague michael gulia means riding who is shot dead in the presence of his

00:19:48.500 his children heartbreaking so stand on guard principle is an extension of the old castle law doctrine

00:19:58.420 and the castle law doctrine originated in the united kingdom actually goes back to the 1400s jamie

00:20:05.460 imported into canadian jurisprudence but what the leader wants to do is he wants to give further

00:20:12.020 protection protection to homeowners and not to be examined and second-guessed by judges after the fact

00:20:19.460 looking at a nine-part test what the leader has said in the essence of stand on guard is that there is going

00:20:26.500 to be a presumption of reasonableness if you feared bodily harm if not imminent death by the presence of someone

00:20:37.940 someone who has invaded your castle your home armed with whatever that if you had that fear that somehow

00:20:48.500 you could be either severely injured or died that the actions you take which could include lethal force

00:20:56.340 is deemed to be reasonable now that's a rebuttable presumption and it would be up to the police it would be up to

00:21:03.460 the the crowns to decide whether they have legal grounds and evidence to rebut that principle but at

00:21:11.300 least it telegraphs to the homeowner that we've got protections it also telegraphs to these individuals

00:21:20.820 who want to engage in this criminal activity that you could be literally taking your own life by breaking

00:21:27.700 in violently into someone's home not understanding that that could lead to lethal force so in a way it

00:21:36.820 provides a bit of a deterrence i would add it also provides in my view some clarity for law enforcement

00:21:45.860 because they constantly really grapple whether or not they feel that the actions taken by the homeowner

00:21:51.860 in the circumstances were appropriate and therefore they would not charge so we are trying to give

00:21:58.740 better direction to law enforcement and certainly better direction to prosecutors should the issue

00:22:04.740 arise in the future all right we have gone way over time but i appreciate you sticking around there

00:22:09.380 brockinator as you know the guests get the last words to the floor is yours again for any liberal members

00:22:16.100 of the government watching your podcast and i encourage them to watch our podcast please reflect

00:22:22.500 on the discussion that we had steal our ideas make it a priority and discharge your number one

00:22:30.340 responsibility keep us safe brockinator i always love it when you come on this thank you very much

00:22:36.900 thank you very much for your time thank you for yours larry brock the member of parliament for

00:22:41.540 brantford brant south six nations also the critic for justice awesome to have him on the show awesome

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - October 02, 2025

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