A massive breach of ethics
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On today's show, our guest is no secret, probably from the intro, but we are going to talk about the Public Safety Minister once again saying the "the quiet" part out loud in regards to the government's firearms confiscation program.
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hello and welcome once again to the brock prince i'm your host jamie schmale member of parliament
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there on today's show our guest is no secret probably from the intro but we are going to
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talk about the public safety minister once again saying the quiet part out loud in regards to the
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government's firearms confiscation program so we bring on the one and only the brockinator
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larry brock member of parliament for brantford brant south six nations also the critic for
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justice thanks for coming on once again and thank you so much it's always a pleasure to attend the
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brock print but i guess we're going to have to change our mugs we are right we'll have to get on
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that in the screen we have a whole new logo of rebranding i think i think in total guest appearances
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you are probably i rate i think you're number one pretty high on repeat pretty high repeat guest
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appearance one of my favorite podcasts in the entire nation you have to say that you have to say
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that i appreciate that uh but let's get right into it because something actually remarkable happened
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the liberals a liberal told the truth about something all right so let's throw up the slide
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here so the public safety minister caught on a recorded message he was talking to a tenant of his
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probably obviously not knowing he was taped but what he was saying was quite
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shocking i think most legal firearms owners knew what the plan was and why the liberals were moving
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forward with their confiscation program but to actually have it said out loud and debunk everything
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the liberals have said about the reasons why they need to go after legal firearms owners uh is truly
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amazing i think it it it it shows that our analysis of the situation was correct
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been correct for four plus years right the ongoing narrative that this was not about community safety
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it was all about politics case in point he confirms in the leaked audio tape that it was about
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preserving votes in the province of quebec yeah that he's personally opposed to the whole concept
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was willing to actually pay the difference of whatever the loss may be for that friend who
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was a licensed firearm owner and then to compound that to even suggest oh by the way if you happen to get
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arrested i'll bail you out but he was kind of in denial about him being arrested like you won't happen
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don't worry about it competence is just through the roof yeah like mr our pal the public safety minister
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uh what is an our pal um like we we knew that they had candidates running for them we knew the liberals
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were running candidates in quebec that were against even even i think firearms for hunting right even the
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most basic firearms for sustenance i i think they were against that we knew they were running those candidates
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so they're embedded within the party and so for the public safety minister as you said to come out
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and say i don't agree with this program but it also goes to his credibility right not knowing what
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an our pal is not knowing the licensing system uh to to then go and say well you know i'm doing it
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anyway so what you just want to preserve your spot in cabinet you know and if they had any degree
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of legitimacy and i don't give them any degree of legitimacy on any of their policies but
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for them to say that we actually care about community safety and gun violence and that's why
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we're forging ahead notwithstanding my comments with this uh gun buyback program if they really cared
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they wouldn't have produced bill c5 right eliminating mandatory minimum penalties for serious
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firearm offenses just goes to show that this was all about politics all along never about community
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safety and we've been talking about that licensed firearms been talking about that firearm advocacy
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groups have been talking about that so we finally got a minister who breached all kinds of cabinet
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confidences let's imagine right you know the mass the machinations going on behind the scenes
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because of his loose lips but ultimately the truth comes out and it embarrassed the minister but so
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be it it proves we were right all along and how many times jamie have our party been right all along
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on a myriad of issues right too many to count and so when when we bring this up about this firearms
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confiscation program which is a complete disaster we can now they used to the liberals used to counter
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with oh it's political you know posturing blah blah blah now we can say no we are actually aside from
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repeating what our constituents are telling us we can actually use the words of the minister himself
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and we will with every opportunity that we can yeah it's unbelievable keep repeating those words over
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and over and over again so you brought up c5 which reduced sentences for pretty serious offenses we also
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have c75 let's throw up a couple slides here uh where the revolving justice system door continues to
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swing and we have comment after comment about bail reform issue this this one in welland is is absolutely
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incredible a massive turnout of public support for the family the victim but also the fact that uh the
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the accused the suspect here it just continues to go on a rampage you have another one and you know we
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could fill the whole show with this this this slide deck which is a shame because that means there's
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actually more victims uh out there than that are getting their proper attention let's face it canadians
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are absolutely terrified but more importantly they are fed up with the lack of urgency that the carny
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liberal government is exercising on public safety you know and i've said this so many times i've lost track
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the number one responsibility of any federal government is to keep us safe and how many more
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pleas do we need to hear from all the important stakeholders across this country to get them to
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do their job now sean fraser promises a crime bill it's going to address community safety is going to address
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all of these violent repeat offenders terrorizing our communities how much more do we have to wait
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what you know the nice thing about politicians jamie we can walk and chew gum at the same time
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i appreciate why their priorities you know once after the election was about our economic relationship
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moving forward with the u.s but they could have introduced all kinds of other bills in that time
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frame and and to have the justice minister say you'll just trust us you know you just trust us we're
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going to be able to deal with this head on once and for all same type of language same type of promises
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that our former justice minister arif varani said he was going to deliver with bill c48 which was an
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absolute disaster and for your viewers c48 according to the government was to make it exceedingly difficult
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for individuals charged with a number of other serious offenses from getting bail it created a
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reverse onus provision that when they ran the bail hearing they had the onus to establish why they
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should be released well it didn't move the needle at all and i was sounding the alarm notwithstanding we
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all voted in favor of it as a caucus i was sounding the alarm that it's not going far enough and what i
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mean by that is until such time as this government basically removes and moves away from this whole
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concept of principle of restraint under section 493.1 of the criminal code that is the problem and
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it's been the problem since c75 was introduced in 2019 which mandates that every judge that hears a bail
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application every day across this country shall release the accused at the earliest opportunity
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on the least restrictive conditions regardless of the offense they were charged with regardless of the
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carnage and and uh and circumstances affecting the community or the victim regardless of the person's
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criminal record which may include a history of violating bail orders or a history of committing the
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the same offense over and over again and even regardless if they're on all kinds of previous releases
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according to the liberal government you qualify for a release and that's what people are absolutely
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fed up with the case in point all the clips that you saw you can't pick up the newspaper you can't read
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it online you can't watch news or listen to the radio with another example of someone
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who made the promise to a judge that they would abide by conditions only to be released they'll say
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whatever it takes to get released get out on the street and continue on their criminal path now the
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liberals have said as you mentioned a few moments ago that look that they're going to try to fix the
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legislation that they broke the system with in the first place having said that who are or have been
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some of mark carney's closest advisors we have marco mendicino who is the public safety minister through
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this disaster as well as david lemeni who is the justice minister at the time which combined brought
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in the situation that we're having now with c75 and c5 like so you're saying we will fix the problem
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we created with the people who created the system in the background managing the the puppet show here
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isn't that the definition of insanity right i don't get it you know we created the mess but trust us
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to correct the mess that we create now we're the heroes we're captain canada yeah we're coming in
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we're coming in we're coming in on our white horses and we're going to save this country they've got
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this right absolutely it's ludicrous now you have a petition do you still have it up on your website
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absolutely my petition my petition well i said to myself you know as an opposition member as a shadow
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critic for justice what can i do what kind of project can i take on over the summer and i said
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to myself well for the last four years this government has heard from all the important
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stakeholders premiers of every province regardless of political affiliation they've heard from police
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chiefs they've heard from presidents of police associations they've heard from victim groups
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they've heard from mayors from small communities mid-size small towns small cities large cities
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metropolis cities all saying the same thing deliver us with a bail bill that promotes community safety
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first and foremost not this ludicrous catch and release repeat rinse repeat rinse type of system that we
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have that rewards bad behavior for four years jamie they've been saying the same thing largely ignored
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by not only justin trudeau and his government now mark carney and the same government so i said what can i do
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what can i do to raise awareness so i said how about if i created a petition to hear from everyday canadians
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from all walks of life from every corner of this country demanding the immediate repeal of of the
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catch and release principle of restraint and replacing it with the principle of community safety so i
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created that petition my hope was to go viral my my goal which was a stretch goal using the words of former
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premier kathleen winn a stretch goal to have a million canadians from coast to coast to sign my
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petition so i can go back to the house and say prime minister minister um fraser for four plus years
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you've ignored the calls from all those stakeholders how now are you going to ignore the calls of a million
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plus canadians who are demanding that you do your job and keep us safe we even one went we even went
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one step further our pal and colleague our pancana from oxford the riding in ontario and southwestern
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ontario came up with a private members bill indeed he did jail not bail to help piggyback on your
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petition absolutely calling for that implement so we are actually piecing it all together for the government
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we are we're laying we're doing the homework and we are inviting them as our leader has often done
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on numerous policy issues steal our ideas we want a united country we want a safe country in my view
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when it comes to community safety it's not a partisan issue never should be never will be every canadian
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wants to live in a safe community so we invited the liberal government to take our ideas poach it do
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what you want to do so long as the end goal is to stop prioritizing the needs of criminals over that
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of community safety and up until justin trudeau i think every political party did agree maybe the ndp
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was questionable but did agree that crime is bad unsafe communities are bad citizens being robbed
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assaulted murdered was bad and justin trudeau flipped that on his head flipped it all on its head and it's
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some bizarro world where people are supposed to be okay to continue to get their hoads broken into
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they're supposed to be okay with getting robbed in the street or having an addiction and mental health
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crisis everywhere you look in every as you said every size of community it it is you can't go
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anywhere without seeing it and this is the result of liberal governments the last 10 years and i would
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even suggest it goes beyond 10 years i actually did a lot of research over the summer about the origin
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of why the liberal party traditionally has been on the side of the accused versus community safety and
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victims i found out in the early 70s under pierre elliott trudeau's leadership his then justice minister
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proudly stated in the house of commons that the whole goal of rehabilitating criminals would be
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priority number one even if it compromised the exact words if it compromised community safety
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that goes back over 50 years jamie so his son justin heard it around the dinner table probably
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must have so the ball was set in motion and it can kind of finish i would say under the chretchen and
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martin i think i think some people would argue they went a bit light but they were definitely not in the
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same place as trudeau senior and trudeau junior i would agree definitely not yeah um all right so we're
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proposing we're almost out of time here but uh so we are proposing for those and and last week we had
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michael guliamin from york region a newly elected member of parliament and york region ontario a
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region above toronto is going through a massive massive crime wave it is insane when you look at the map
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uh significant problem with home invasions including the execution of one individual one homeowner in
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front of his children which is absolutely horrific um so we're going to come up with well we have
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presented a couple ideas let's cut one let's hear our leader talk about it uh to protect those home
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owners uh you know in a time of extreme stress play cut one the law needs to be clear that if someone
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comes into your house uninvited to steal your property or harm your family you need to do what is
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you need to be able to do whatever is necessary to stop them and my message to the criminal thugs
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who are invading the homes of canadians in unprecedented number numbers because of liberal laws
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is that you should be in serious danger if you go into someone's house illegally and try to harm them
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if you don't want to be harmed then don't invade someone's house and don't threaten their security
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the law needs to be very clear that people have the right to defend their homes and their families
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against lawbreakers the audio was a bit off but you get the point yeah how does it stand now what is
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the law now if someone was breaking into my home what can i do to protect myself and my family so the the
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laws of self-defense have been on our books for decades section 34 and 35 set out the principles and
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the test that is applied when anyone is charged with going beyond the element of self-defense so in
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essence what it says is the courts would assess the reasonableness of the actions taken to defend your
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person or to defend your property based on a nine factor test and the ludicrous of of that particular
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test is it enables a judge sometimes months if not years removed from the incident to therefore second
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guess the split second actions taken by a homeowner or someone defending their person as to whether
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the actions taken in a split second were reasonable in all the circumstances
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so it's vague it's very very subjective yeah it depends really who your judge is true can they put
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themselves in the mind of that person who made them had to make that split second decision is a judge
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thinking maybe you should have ran maybe you should have used a a left a lesser uh severe weapon to
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defend yourself on and on and on it's always second guessing the actions it's very problematic for
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people who are trying to assert that as a defense running you got a motion no question no question
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like so our party our leader in particular recognized this problem in in light of what you just described the
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ever-increasing rise of extreme violent home invasions which tragically quite often lead to death i'm
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thinking about the man and our colleague michael gulia means riding who is shot dead in the presence of his
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his children heartbreaking so stand on guard principle is an extension of the old castle law doctrine
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and the castle law doctrine originated in the united kingdom actually goes back to the 1400s jamie
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imported into canadian jurisprudence but what the leader wants to do is he wants to give further
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protection protection to homeowners and not to be examined and second-guessed by judges after the fact
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looking at a nine-part test what the leader has said in the essence of stand on guard is that there is going
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to be a presumption of reasonableness if you feared bodily harm if not imminent death by the presence of someone
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someone who has invaded your castle your home armed with whatever that if you had that fear that somehow
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you could be either severely injured or died that the actions you take which could include lethal force
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is deemed to be reasonable now that's a rebuttable presumption and it would be up to the police it would be up to
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the the crowns to decide whether they have legal grounds and evidence to rebut that principle but at
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least it telegraphs to the homeowner that we've got protections it also telegraphs to these individuals
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who want to engage in this criminal activity that you could be literally taking your own life by breaking
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in violently into someone's home not understanding that that could lead to lethal force so in a way it
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provides a bit of a deterrence i would add it also provides in my view some clarity for law enforcement
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because they constantly really grapple whether or not they feel that the actions taken by the homeowner
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in the circumstances were appropriate and therefore they would not charge so we are trying to give
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better direction to law enforcement and certainly better direction to prosecutors should the issue
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arise in the future all right we have gone way over time but i appreciate you sticking around there
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brockinator as you know the guests get the last words to the floor is yours again for any liberal members
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of the government watching your podcast and i encourage them to watch our podcast please reflect
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on the discussion that we had steal our ideas make it a priority and discharge your number one
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responsibility keep us safe brockinator i always love it when you come on this thank you very much
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thank you very much for your time thank you for yours larry brock the member of parliament for
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brantford brant south six nations also the critic for justice awesome to have him on the show awesome
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