The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - A Win for Canada’s energy workers – The No-More-Pipelines Bill is No More!

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm

00:00:12.400 your host, Jamie Schmael, member of Parliament for Halliburton, co-author-like Sprock. On

00:00:15.940 today's show, we're talking about Bill C-69, the No More Pipelines bill, deemed largely

00:00:20.780 unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Also talk about the shutdown of the Arrive Can

00:00:25.140 investigation at committee, and of course, the war in the Middle East. This and much,

00:00:29.180 much more, we're bringing on the two legends. We have Glenn Motz, Medicine Hat Carson Warner. He's

00:00:34.420 the member of Parliament for that writing, and of course, the one and only Larry Brock,

00:00:38.020 Brantford Brant. Thank you, gentlemen. And of course, don't forget to remind our audience to

00:00:42.760 like, comment, subscribe, and share this program. All right, we've got lots to talk about. Let's

00:00:46.280 get right to it. What do you want to talk about first? C-69, the No More Pipelines bill, deemed

00:00:50.900 largely unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, something we actually warned about many years

00:00:55.280 ago. Absolutely. You know, it was a vindication for many people in the industry and conservative

00:01:01.160 members of Parliament who spoke out and said, this is exactly, this is unconstitutional,

00:01:05.480 it's provincial territory, provincial jurisdiction. And the province, you know, said very, very clearly,

00:01:12.160 and the courts then agreed, the Alberta Court of Appeal, and then the Supreme Court, that the

00:01:16.900 feds overreached. Again, you know, they tried to strong arm their way into something that, rather

00:01:21.280 than, you know, having a conversation, having consultation on the matter, they pushed their

00:01:26.580 way in. And, you know, it's cost Alberta and other economies in our country, provincial economies,

00:01:32.320 billions and billions of dollars in lost investment. So it was a great vindication for

00:01:37.780 that, and I think optimistic moving forward. And again, I don't trust this government, though,

00:01:43.440 with what they might do with the decision and how they might want to change things, again,

00:01:47.620 moving forward down the line. But we're not going to give them an opportunity to do that.

00:01:50.920 We're going to remove them from government first. When the government first brought in Bill C-69,

00:01:54.880 they said it would bring certainty to the investment around oil and natural gas. It's done anything

00:02:01.220 but that. It's actually chased away hundreds of billions of dollars worth of investment, not including

00:02:06.540 using their tanker ban that forbids Alberta energy from leaving the West Coast. Not the East Coast,

00:02:14.460 they're bringing in from the East Coast, only leaving from the West Coast. So basically stifling the 0.85

00:02:19.060 industry as a whole. And now the Supreme Court weighs in and says, yeah, you've overstepped your jurisdiction.

00:02:26.120 You're right. You know, and the only certainty that this government guaranteed

00:02:29.200 is that we would lose investment. That's the only certainty that was going to come with this.

00:02:34.300 And, no, so it's, I mean, I applaud the decision. There's a lot to go through in that decision.

00:02:39.660 I haven't gone through all of it yet. But, you know, I think the provinces should be pleased.

00:02:45.340 And I think the government should be given pause on, you know, there's a lot of other things

00:02:50.640 they're trying to insert themselves in that are provincial jurisdiction. And I think this should

00:02:54.800 give them pause on pursuing down a path that is unconstitutional.

00:02:58.960 Now, it's easy for us to talk about it after the fact and remind liberals and others in the media

00:03:03.920 that we were talking about this way before this even passed royal assent. And we reminded about

00:03:10.620 what would happen and the consequences of this piece of legislation. But at the real core of it,

00:03:16.180 there's a lot of people who lost their jobs or livelihoods in their homes because of this legislation.

00:03:20.040 Absolutely. And, you know, our conservative critic, MP Shannon Stubbs, has spoken about this at length

00:03:27.840 for several years now, and has warned government initially, and then spoken about the impact this

00:03:35.920 has had, not just on the provincial economy, but, you know, people's livelihoods and their ability

00:03:42.660 to care for their families. And, you know, businesses were lost, investment fled the provinces,

00:03:49.460 and now we have to try and, you know, get that back again and get Canada's economy working again,

00:03:57.220 all because a government has an ideology that, you know, is against any sort of natural resource development.

00:04:04.400 Anti-energy.

00:04:05.260 Well, let's bring Larry into that. We talked about the many times about the leaked memo

00:04:09.620 where energy workers, as they get transitioned out of their chosen field, they can work as janitors

00:04:16.200 if they so choose, right? Like this is how the Liberals view the energy industry in particular

00:04:21.960 in Alberta and Saskatchewan. And that shows exactly where their mindset is, right? If it's not the chosen

00:04:29.720 path that the Liberals want, they will destroy it.

00:04:32.040 Yes. And in my view, it is that that Supreme Court of Canada decision is an absolute repudiation of

00:04:39.960 Justin Trudeau's anti-energy policies. That has existed literally since he was elected in 2015.

00:04:47.000 And quite frankly, this piece of legislation was introduced very early into his mandate,

00:04:51.960 and it was almost as if he wanted to transition this country to be anti-Steven Harper. Anything that

00:04:58.120 Stephen Harper did that benefited this country, Justin Trudeau wanted to undo it. And this particular piece

00:05:03.800 of legislation is a classic example. So it's a repudiation of that philosophy, of that policy,

00:05:10.760 and it confirms what we were saying all along in the House. It confirms what the provinces were saying,

00:05:17.720 that this is our exclusive jurisdiction. You feds have no business interfering. 1.00

00:05:23.240 And you have all these people who have lost their livelihoods, as we just mentioned. But also,

00:05:27.640 going forward, what kind of confidence does this put in the marketplace around investors that are

00:05:33.080 looking for a spot to put their money to develop resources, whether it be oil, natural gas, you name

00:05:39.960 it, whatever, critical minerals? It doesn't really still instill any confidence that there will be a

00:05:47.240 return on investment in a timely fashion. No, that confidence, in my view, will only be restored

00:05:52.360 once we defeat this liberal, incompetent government and put in Pierre Polyev as our Prime Minister.

00:05:58.680 Agreed. Our favorite MP to pick on, and rightfully so, Mark Gerritsen of Kingston and the Islands,

00:06:04.200 put up a bit of a rant over the weekend about how energy prices and the reason why they're so high

00:06:10.600 isn't the fault of the Liberals. And he did mention about the conflict in the Middle East and in Ukraine

00:06:15.720 and a whole bunch of other disruptions around the world. But what he failed to realize is how the

00:06:20.760 Liberals have decimated our energy industry. And one way to lower prices is to add supply

00:06:27.960 to the marketplace, which has been disrupted because of ongoing conflicts. We have lots of

00:06:33.320 supply here. We just have no way to get it out of the ground and get it to market in a timely and

00:06:38.600 affordable fashion. Exactly.

00:06:41.080 I guess I hit the nail on the head. Well, you did.

00:06:42.920 All right. Yeah. That's sad because we have high paying jobs. These aren't

00:06:47.880 low paying jobs in the energy industry. These are high paying jobs. It's the same problem too,

00:06:53.640 that you can't get critical minerals out of the ground here, particularly in Northern Ontario and

00:06:58.600 elsewhere, Saskatchewan and what have you, where if the Liberals are saying, we are going to EVs,

00:07:04.920 and again, this is the chosen path, never mind the solid state battery for Toyota,

00:07:09.560 hydrogen and others over in Germany. This is where the chosen subsidies are going,

00:07:14.440 but we can't get the minerals out of the ground here in Canada to make a supply chain that works domestically.

00:07:21.320 The regulatory process for natural resource, you know, development, research and development,

00:07:27.400 has been so stymied by this government. And that's exactly the result of it is we have supply issues,

00:07:35.240 not what we have in the ground, but to get it to market. And then, you know, as we heard, as we know

00:07:40.520 from, you know, the Prime Minister kiboshing both the Germany request and the Japan request for our

00:07:47.640 natural gas. Like what a game changer that would have been, right? So, yeah, it's the regulatory process

00:07:53.880 has been, you know, the industry's undoing with this government's ideology. Absolutely. And,

00:08:00.440 and again, when you're trying to have a domestic energy industry, stifling it or making it harder

00:08:08.520 to get projects through will only create wealth elsewhere. Let's create it here if this is going

00:08:14.280 down. All right. So, the Arrive Can app. Larry Brock, famously in committee, was giving a few hard

00:08:20.840 questions to the powers that be and they didn't like it. And after 20 minutes of a emergency

00:08:25.720 committee meeting, you were shut down. So, what was going on in that Arrive Can meeting?

00:08:31.400 It just, it amazes me the number of scandals this corrupt government has been embroiled in since 2015.

00:08:40.600 And I uncovered, along with my Conservative colleagues, yet another one last Thursday. Let's remember what

00:08:46.840 happened. What a year ago, the Conservative Party brought forth a motion in the House calling for

00:08:54.200 the Auditor General to do a review of the $54 million boondoggle of the Arrive Scam app,

00:09:02.760 as we now call it. Not the Arrive Can, but the Arrive Scam app. It passed the House. Liberals, of course,

00:09:09.000 voted against it because they don't believe in transparency and accountability. So, I was asked last

00:09:15.400 Thursday to attend the Public Accounts Committee to participate in a Q&A with our Auditor General.

00:09:23.480 The Auditor General, of course, is about to release her report into the circumstances

00:09:29.400 behind the awarding of that contract. But as a result of recent news releases regarding the RCMP

00:09:37.160 now investigating circumstances behind the granting of the contract and the consultants used by the

00:09:44.200 Government of Canada to facilitate these contracts, it caused our chair, John Williamson, our Conservative

00:09:52.120 Chair, to call an emergency meeting. It was agreed by the House, by the members of the committee. It was a

00:09:59.480 two-hour meeting. So, I was not part of the first round. I was part of the second round. I had a five-minute

00:10:06.040 Q&A with the Auditor General. And she surprised all of us by informing the House that, to her amazement,

00:10:14.840 she didn't know that the RCMP was investigating criminality with respect to the awarding of the

00:10:22.760 contracts. She didn't hear it until she read it in the Globe and Mail. And I thought to myself, the

00:10:30.760 government certainly knew about this several weeks, if not months, before the news broke in the press.

00:10:38.840 Why wouldn't the government notify its own Auditor General that there is an additional layer that

00:10:46.120 perhaps needs to be explored regarding the RCMP looking at criminal charges? She wasn't aware. She

00:10:53.640 described her disenchantment, the fact that she wasn't pleased, that she didn't hear it from the

00:11:02.280 government. And I said to the Auditor General, not only are you disappointed, I said all parliamentarians

00:11:09.400 should be disappointed, but more importantly, Canadian taxpayers should be profoundly disappointed that

00:11:15.960 this government, who has vowed to be transparent and accountable at every turn since 2015, has done

00:11:23.800 nothing but. And literally after I finished my five minutes of questioning, the next question went to

00:11:30.200 the Liberal bench and the Liberals brought a motion supported by the NDP to shut down the Auditor General's

00:11:38.200 two-hour meeting without any further accountability. So it obviously begs the question, what are you

00:11:46.920 hiding now? But I can see the advantage for the Liberal Party for shutting down the meeting. What

00:11:54.200 about the NDP? What is their logic? What's their strategy here? Their strategy is it's just they blindly

00:11:59.960 follow the government when it comes to... Don't they want to win or try to win? They have lost their

00:12:05.800 identity, Jamie. With all due respect, they have completely lost... You're not going to offend me.

00:12:11.000 They've lost their principles. They've lost their values. They will roar loudly in the House if they

00:12:19.800 feel the government is underperforming and not meeting to Canadians' expectations, and then they'll blindly

00:12:26.680 vote in favour of this government. So I have no doubt in my mind that somehow the lone Liberal member,

00:12:33.960 sorry, the lone NDP member on that committee was instructed to go along with that particular...

00:12:39.800 Do you want to name and shame? Should we name and shame?

00:12:43.960 We could name and shame. I'm just trying to remember the member now. It may come to me.

00:12:48.600 All right. At 2 in the morning, it'll come to you. It may come to me.

00:12:51.160 All right. So this is an app that some independent designers put their heads together on a weekend

00:12:57.960 and said they could do it for $250,000, give or take. The Liberals said $54 million. That seems like

00:13:04.440 a bargain to me. Is there any responsibility? Like, is there any responsibility for these tax dollars?

00:13:12.920 Since government has nothing until it's taxed from somebody. Exactly.

00:13:16.760 So taken from somebody who put in a hard day's work and then, yeah, $54 million sounds like a good deal.

00:13:23.800 You know, and thank you for your efforts on that committee, Larry. It really brought a lot of

00:13:28.360 things home for me. You know, we all lived through the pandemic and the governments,

00:13:35.160 they had all this money. You know, they had the will of Parliament to spend. And what did they do?

00:13:40.600 They spent indiscriminately. They spent on a lot of things that we agreed as Conservatives that were

00:13:46.680 necessary to keep businesses and individuals, you know, financially sound. But the Arrive scam app

00:13:54.360 is certainly an example of the wastefulness. And we can go through literally billions of dollars.

00:14:00.440 And the Auditor General said before that there is how many billions of dollars unaccounted for

00:14:04.600 in COVID spending? Yes. 40%. 40% of what? $200 billion? $200 billion. And we don't even know where

00:14:12.200 it went. So, I mean, to me, the Arrive scam app is but just a tip of the iceberg when it comes to

00:14:19.560 mismanagement of this government's finances, the Canadian taxpayers' finances. 0.56

00:14:25.640 So not only is it a scandal, Jamie, in my view, it also exposes the hypocrisy of this Prime Minister.

00:14:33.160 If you remember, after it was discovered that this price tag was $54 million, he expressed

00:14:39.640 his shock. He expressed his concern. In fact, his exact words, that price tag was highly logical,

00:14:46.920 is the phrase that he used in the House. Yet, it's illogical enough for him to say that it should

00:14:53.720 be investigated. But when the RCMP is now looking at criminality involving top senior bureaucrats with

00:15:01.080 the government of Canada, that's something that the taxpayers should not be exposed to. So there is a

00:15:07.320 scandal here. I will continue to dig. I'm like a dog with a bone. I will continue to pursue this until we

00:15:13.560 can shed all of that light on this particular issue. Now, credit to the Liberals though.

00:15:19.560 Have you been to the airport lately? So the Nexus line is super small, like in terms of how many terminals.

00:15:25.560 The regular line for when you're coming through to check in on an international flight is a little bit bigger,

00:15:32.200 but it's still pretty small. And then in the RiveCAN side, it is massive, but it's empty.

00:15:37.880 Nobody is using this app, but they are almost doing it on purpose to force people to try, just like,

00:15:44.360 somebody please use the app and we'll, we have all these machines for you to check yourself through.

00:15:49.320 Exactly. This is how desperate they are. It is unbelievable. All right, Middle East. Israel attacked, I guess,

00:15:57.560 last week. Hamas coming in surprising many, massacring and murdering people at a music festival for peace.

00:16:07.880 What are your thoughts, I guess, to the victims? We need to recognize that. And where do we go from here?

00:16:16.040 Where do we go from here? Oh, you know, it's sad when you have, you know, a legitimately identified

00:16:29.400 terrorist organization attack civilians in a sovereign state. And then the, you know, the extreme

00:16:40.840 sadistic violence that has occurred as a result of this. And this whole anti, you know, Semitism,

00:16:47.320 this whole, you know, the attack on the Jewish state is, is, is brutal. And then, and then now,

00:16:54.120 you know, we, we care about all victims on both sides of this, the civilians on both sides of this

00:17:01.000 conflict. And, and certainly our, our, our support is with the, with Israel and, and, you know, and it's,

00:17:08.920 it's, it's a conflict that has gone on off and on for, for decades. And certainly this does not appear

00:17:17.400 to be ending anytime or will end anytime soon. And just a sad state of, of evil. I mean, there's no

00:17:25.560 other, I had, I had talked to someone this past weekend about this, you know, the terrorist attack.

00:17:31.400 And the word that they used was, this was pure evil. When you look at the acts, when you, when you see

00:17:38.520 and read about the, the atrocities that were perpetrated on innocent Jewish civilians,

00:17:47.320 is, is unfathomable. And it, it is something that this world should not tolerate.

00:17:52.920 I will do a deeper dive on, on this topic on another show. But I, I did want to recognize

00:17:58.440 it and mention it because it is an ongoing issue. And we talk about current events here.

00:18:03.880 And it would be remiss, I think, if we didn't mention it. And again, we'll do a deeper dive

00:18:08.280 on another show where we can have more time. I know we're coming to the end of our show here.

00:18:11.960 Question periods coming up. So we have to get going. Final thoughts, gentlemen, who wants to take it away?

00:18:16.440 I just want to comment on the Middle East situation. My, my thoughts and prayers are with all the victims,

00:18:22.760 the victims' families, the, the Canadians who've lost their lives, Americans who've lost their lives,

00:18:28.840 up to 200, if not more, hostages still in Gaza. This is something that has just rocked our collective

00:18:37.560 core as, as human beings. And I just wanted to, to, to pass that on as my final thoughts. Thank you, Jamie.

00:18:43.880 Glenn? I think that the last thing I'll say is, you know, we heard last week about the, the

00:18:54.360 government's retraction. They're, they're holding off on their firearm confiscation. And I think it's,

00:19:00.120 it's, it's just, you know, what we've been saying all along is it's a failed plan on public safety.

00:19:05.080 It isn't going to work. We don't support, as Conservatives, we do not support the confiscation

00:19:09.560 of lawfully obtained firearms by legally, you know, legal firearm owners. And the, you know,

00:19:15.080 the billions of dollars that were, you know, planned to be spent on a confiscation plan that

00:19:20.360 delivers themselves, don't even know how they're going to play out, could be better spent, you know,

00:19:25.800 in, in matters of border enforcement and, and other programs to, to ensure that criminals are dealt with

00:19:32.040 appropriately.

00:19:33.400 You know what? That's another show as well. We can talk about the, uh, the firearm boondoggle,

00:19:37.480 and, uh, we will save that for another show because that's a great idea. All right. I apologize for

00:19:41.960 not getting to that. Time goes so quickly.

00:19:43.880 It certainly does.

00:19:44.520 That's what happens when you have the legends.

00:19:46.040 Well, and, and the pontification by my colleague here, Mr. Brock is, uh, is amazing. I always,

00:19:51.400 I always enjoy hearing it, so.

00:19:52.520 Yes, I, I am, I am in extreme awe at both your conversations. All right. We have Glenn Motts,

00:19:57.960 Madison Hat, Cards to Mourner, as his writing in beautiful province of Alberta. Also, Larry Brock,

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - October 19, 2023

A Win for Canada’s energy workers – The No-More-Pipelines Bill is No More!

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