The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Canada is broken! MP Larry Brock joins the Blueprint to explain the lack of safety on our streets.

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your

00:00:10.360 host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament, Halliburton Corps, the likes Brock with new

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00:00:24.120 the eyes and ears to see and listen to it. You can also download it and listen to it on platforms

00:00:28.540 like CastBox, iTunes, Google Play and Spotify. You name it, it is out there. I think a lot

00:00:33.800 of us have been concerned about what we're going to talk about later today. It is the

00:00:37.480 rising crime rate. 32% is the increase since Justin Trudeau took power in violent crimes.

00:00:44.120 This is something that is surging across the country. To talk about that, we have the one

00:00:47.720 and only Larry Brock, Member of Parliament, Bradford. Brad, thanks for coming back on the

00:00:52.060 show. Thank you so much, Jamie. It's always a pleasure to attend. We talk about this a lot

00:00:56.360 and it's very sad that I have to keep bringing you on to talk about the rising violent crime

00:01:01.140 rate in this city. It just seems like we're out of control. Probably two of the most recent

00:01:06.820 ones that I think hit home for a lot of people was the knife attack in which a 16-year-old

00:01:11.680 boy was killed in the Kill Street subway in Toronto. The next being that awful stabbing in Vancouver

00:01:19.160 in front of the Starbucks or in the Starbucks where a gentleman with his family asked a person

00:01:26.880 not to vape near his child and next thing you know he's got a knife in his stomach. What do you say

00:01:34.540 to that? What the hell is going on? It's a disturbing trend and what we are seeing right across this

00:01:42.620 country ripped from the headlines is a disturbing pattern that I personally have not seen for

00:01:52.220 a significant period of time. There was a point in time, Jamie, where murders, I'm talking decades

00:02:00.400 ago, used to be confined to gang-laying shootings. You have maybe some domestic homicides. They tended to be

00:02:10.040 more targeted and what I find happening right now which should be concerning to every Canadian and I

00:02:15.860 know it certainly is is the randomness of these killings for no apparent reason whatsoever. As you've

00:02:25.580 indicated the father of a young child literally on a Sunday afternoon in a good part of Vancouver

00:02:33.600 simply asking permission, probably politely, sir do you mind not vaping near my child and don't know

00:02:43.200 what was going on in the mind of the killer but we have seen some images. I've seen the the arrival

00:02:51.840 of the police on some some video on social media and it would appear that the killer himself showed

00:02:59.760 absolutely zero remorse for what he had done. He just kind of found his phone. Yes, didn't run away.

00:03:06.720 No, didn't. Wasn't concerned about being detected or being caught or being filmed. He saw people

00:03:12.180 yeah with their their cameras out and their phones out. He knew he was being captured and freely gave

00:03:17.940 himself up to the police. Now I don't know what the background was of this individual. I'm sure that

00:03:23.220 in time we'll probably learn more but it's it displays a growing concern that every Canadian

00:03:30.340 should have that no matter who you are or where you may find yourself to be anywhere in this country

00:03:40.180 you run the risk of being a random victim of a serious violent offense or possibly a homicide victim.

00:03:50.260 That's how concerning it is in Toronto and it's not just large no it's not just Toronto it's not

00:03:57.460 Montreal it's not Vancouver it's right across this country. Well look at the police officer the OPP

00:04:03.780 officer just went to help someone who went into the ditch before Christmas and next thing you know

00:04:08.980 he's shot and killed yeah right like it's that was rural Ontario. This is this is rural Ontario this is

00:04:15.140 literally on my doorstep in the riding of Brantford Brant. It was just outside of Brantford Brant.

00:04:22.740 Again middle of the day a police officer doing what police officers are expected to do to come to the

00:04:30.660 aid of what appears to be a motorist in distress and for his kind generosity and his service to the

00:04:39.940 community he ends ends up being shot dead. So it is it's a disturbing trend the lack of respect for human

00:04:49.860 life the lack of respect for the dignity of human lives is a disturbing trend that unfortunately the

00:04:59.540 the Liberal government doesn't seem to care enough to introduce the legislation to address this growing

00:05:07.300 problem and quite frankly in my view Jamie this is not a partisan viewpoint. It should not be. I have

00:05:17.060 been advocating for criminal justice reform pretty much my entire professional life there was only so

00:05:24.740 much I could do as a representative of the Ministry of the Attorney General. I was looking to make more of

00:05:31.700 an imprint on the national stage one of the reasons why I chose to leave that profession become a politician

00:05:38.580 was the avenues available to me to to advocate but more importantly to introduce private members bills

00:05:46.820 to address the shortcomings in our criminal justice system. You know there's a concept that prosecutors and

00:05:53.460 judges often use and that's the whole concept of of general and specific deterrence so a function of a

00:06:03.220 sentence is to not only send a message to the offender that these are the consequences to you should you

00:06:12.340 continue along your criminal path but a general message to the community that there are going to be

00:06:18.900 significant consequences to you should you find yourself in conflict. Unfortunately what we are

00:06:26.340 seeing in this country what we are reading about in terms of the sentences what we are seeing by our own

00:06:34.500 Liberal government softening its approach to criminal justice it's sending the wrong message to the

00:06:42.420 community in my view sending a message that there are no longer significant life-changing consequences to

00:06:50.660 criminal behavior when you see serious repeat violent offenders being arrested being released often in the same

00:07:00.980 day promising to abide by conditions the paper that they sign is only worth essentially the paper itself the whole

00:07:10.020 concept of trust and promises are failing and when they fail it's putting our communities and it's putting

00:07:18.660 victims at risk. Do you think that is kind of the reason why we're seeing this randomness like even

00:07:24.580 when you think back to the swarming of those those teenage girls to that homeless person again someone

00:07:29.300 probably minding his own business and all of a sudden he's a murder victim is is that why you think like

00:07:35.300 we're getting these these these uh it just seems an increase while 32 percent violent crime is up since

00:07:40.900 Trudeau took office but is do you think that plays a part in it? It is Jamie but I think you need to take

00:07:47.220 a look at some of the other external factors and and this is something I've seen personally in my own life

00:07:53.460 the the impact of isolation during the pandemic I think has had a significant impact on the psyche

00:08:02.020 of young people in this country I personally saw it with my own children I saw depression that I had never

00:08:09.220 seen before I saw concerns and and just hopelessness on behalf of my children they couldn't continue with

00:08:18.020 their favorite sport their competitive swimmers they couldn't hang out at the mall they couldn't do

00:08:23.540 sleepovers with their friends and it was very concerning and the only sort of recourse they had

00:08:30.180 was the cyber space occupying by social media and we all know the dangers of social media

00:08:37.860 you can be a social media warrior and essentially say whatever you want behind the protection of your

00:08:44.420 home and there are no consequences so I think that there is an element of of having people just simply

00:08:53.300 being desensitized right to the whole concept of violence and harm there we're we're being

00:09:01.540 embarded by violent images on social media violence in video games an increase in violence in the in

00:09:14.660 Hollywood in terms of our movies etc all designed originally to be entertainment but when you when you take

00:09:22.580 isolation and you absorb yourself with these violent issues and forces I think it alters your perception

00:09:31.300 of reality in what particular universe would it ever be acceptable that a group of random teenage girls 1.00

00:09:41.540 and this is the the example that you've given me about the swarming in Toronto these were not lifelong

00:09:48.260 friends these were a bunch of individuals that found each other on social media and whatever that

00:09:55.940 particular group was called I don't know but they thought it was completely acceptable to engage

00:10:02.980 in this swarming bullying atmosphere to a complete stranger to the point of arming themselves with

00:10:11.540 knives and using violence and showing no concern no remorse in fact I read a report in the Toronto Sun

00:10:22.420 probably about three or four weeks after their arrest and a number of them were still in custody at that

00:10:28.740 point going through the bail process and the reporter who was watching it remarked that they were actually

00:10:35.540 laughing inside the prisoner's dock these are teenage girls who should have been socialized to appreciate 0.99

00:10:44.820 what is right what is wrong I presume came from you know responsible backgrounds and had responsible parents

00:10:52.900 parents but completely showed the opposite of what we would expect human beings to display in these

00:11:01.540 circumstances these girls are facing the potential of up to seven years of secure custody and as a teenager

00:11:11.780 that is a substantial amount of time okay to be stolen from you and so it's just in my view the whole

00:11:21.780 concept of responsibility and consequences mean nothing in today's society and we got to change that

00:11:29.060 and I know conservatives have a plan to change that where the government is failing where I say this is not

00:11:37.060 a partisan issue was the in my moment that the galvanizing crystallization of this rallying cry across

00:11:47.620 the nation where you had police chiefs of all different backgrounds you had municipal leaders of all

00:11:54.500 different backgrounds you had police associations but more importantly you had every premier of all our

00:12:02.740 provinces and territories which as you know Jamie represent the full spectrum on the political ideology

00:12:11.220 scale all galvanizing together saying something must be done this was the line that was crossed that we will

00:12:20.900 not tolerate this anymore and one would have thought that the liberal government with their large mass of

00:12:30.980 public service employees particularly in the department of justice would have taken immediate steps

00:12:38.260 to address those recommendations in that premier's letter they did nothing they telegraphed that they

00:12:46.020 would consult again with the premiers they would consult again with the provincial and territorial

00:12:52.980 ministers of justice to come up with a working plan now we're getting the slow little drip from minister

00:12:59.460 lamedi that changes are coming that we are listening and we can we think that we can improve community safety and

00:13:07.380 holding these offenders responsible but here we are several months removed from that unfortunate death of

00:13:15.460 constable proshella that opp officer and nothing is done so you contrast that the government which should be

00:13:23.860 doing something their number one responsibility is to keep us safe absolutely okay they are failing every single day they are

00:13:32.740 failing in their number one responsibility but what are we doing as conservatives we have we have our leader

00:13:40.420 going across this nation every single weekend essentially getting the blessing of his family to be away from his young

00:13:51.220 family two young children to make sure that he is listening to as many interest groups that he can

00:13:58.820 look talking to police chiefs talking to other interested groups right across this country offering a vision as to when he becomes prime minister

00:14:11.060 what he will do most recently in the house he issued a press release i believe it was this week jamie

00:14:18.980 where he indicated that a polyev government will take immediate steps to undo the damaging impacts to bill c5 and i know i've spoken at great length about bill c5

00:14:32.980 which essentially eliminated all the mandatory minimum penalties for our most serious offenses given these the offenders the luxury of serving their sentences

00:14:44.980 in the comfort of their own homes he's going to tackle that he's going to address the consequences of bill c75 which instituted in our view this catch and

00:14:56.980 release mentality this principle of restraint now as a lawyer i still have to be mindful jamie and i don't want your uh our listeners to get the wrong impression as a lawyer i still have to be mindful jamie and i don't want your uh our uh our uh listeners to get the wrong impression

00:15:12.980 impression as a lawyer i strongly and will defend with every breath our our constitutional rights the charter rights that we have that apply to every single canadian regardless of whatever criminal charge that you find yourself involved in you have that presumption of innocence

00:15:34.980 you have the presumption that you can receive reasonable bail but the charter does not guarantee bail and while some individuals even charged with first degree murder do get released on bail there is a process and that process in my view was significantly weakened by bill 75 and i like to think of the criminal justice

00:16:04.960 the system as a system as a pendulum that pendulum in my view should be squarely in the middle at all times where you have the respect for the charter and the respect for the constitutional rights of the accused but you also balance that you don't belittle it and you don't give a greater emphasis to community safety and the safety of victims

00:16:30.960 unfortunately bill 75 moved that pendulum towards the accused at the expense of the community

00:16:39.200 and i've been advocating for a balanced approach to our criminal justice system ever since i became a politician

00:16:46.940 and that's what a poly of majority government a new majority government in this country will strive to do

00:16:55.580 so in addition to that pronouncement by our leader pierre pauliev we have two of our colleagues as well

00:17:02.340 who are trying to make meaningful changes most recently this week we had our uh our colleague pierre pauluse

00:17:09.500 introduce bill c323 which is designed to claw back the impacts of bill c5

00:17:20.060 i don't anticipate we're going to get that passed but at least it telegraphs to canadians that we as his majesty's loyal opposition are not going to sit idly by

00:17:34.880 waiting whenever the government deems it appropriate to make the adjustment to our laws to keep our community safe

00:17:43.900 so he has done something our colleague frank caputo another former crown attorney through bill c313

00:17:51.040 is also addressing some significant changes to the bail regime dealing with repeat serial offenders particularly with prohibited weapons

00:18:01.360 so i want the the readership the listeners to to truly appreciate that we as conservatives

00:18:08.260 have always believed in good government law and order and we will always follow that edict and we are taking concrete steps to deal with that

00:18:19.400 absolutely i couldn't agree with you more no i i don't i don't know i don't want you to get too far into the head of a liberal

00:18:27.400 but at the same time i know the calls and emails i'm getting in my office i can only imagine what you're getting

00:18:34.120 i have no doubt liberal mps are getting the same concerns being raised to them

00:18:41.920 what do you think their their thinking is why do you think they are so slow to react what is kind of their

00:18:49.800 motive on all of this i wish i had the answer to that because i would well imagine and and let's let's face

00:18:57.580 it not we're here we're here because a majority of individuals in our respective ridings chose us as the representative

00:19:08.920 i never forget for one minute that i represent all of my riding just as you do absolutely those who voted for us

00:19:18.300 those who didn't vote for us in fact i try even as a politician to work harder for those individuals

00:19:25.340 who actually come out and say you know what i didn't vote for you but what are you going to do

00:19:31.080 about this issue what are you going to do about that issue and sometimes i get you know individual

00:19:35.820 concerns that my constituents is constituency office can deal with but also national concerns so i try to

00:19:42.760 engage in conversations to show to them that we have a different approach we differ substantially from

00:19:51.120 the liberals so to your point what is happening in those liberally liberal held ridings i am hearing

00:19:58.180 because both of us jamie through this particular medium we've developed quite a following yeah we

00:20:04.480 have absolutely and i love the fact that a lot of people love this blueprint uh podcast and are

00:20:11.000 sharing it and they encourage you and they tolerate me well i think you know you and i we work well

00:20:16.040 together yes we really do we're both passionate individuals and we're talking the language that a

00:20:21.780 lot of people want us to talk about but i think what it does is it i'm now hearing from members of

00:20:29.840 liberal held ridings who unfortunately are sharing with me very distressing information that they are

00:20:39.280 raising these issues with their liberal mps and are not getting a call back are not getting a response

00:20:47.660 back to emails are being denied the opportunity of visiting and sitting down and talking with their mps

00:20:55.060 it's almost as if they don't matter and i find that disturbing as a politician who should represent

00:21:03.580 all not everyone's going to agree with us hopefully most of them will but i accept the fact that i can't

00:21:11.440 convince everyone that my position on certain issues is the only appropriate position we have we have that

00:21:19.820 ability in this democracy to share differing views but i think it comes down to a level of service

00:21:25.900 that we as conservatives do differently than liberal members and in my view it's the cult of trudeau

00:21:32.800 it's the it's the mentality that these are our position these are our talking points and you must

00:21:40.580 defend it at all costs and i think it's it's really doing a disservice to those individuals in their

00:21:47.440 writings who are as concerned as we are as i said at the top this is not a partisan issue it should never

00:21:55.380 be a partisan issue just like the other headline that's dominating the news right now this whole

00:22:02.340 concept of foreign election interference should never be a partisan issue we should all stand united as

00:22:10.440 canadians to defend our democracy just as we should all stand as canadians and demand safer streets

00:22:19.640 and accountability in our criminal justice system and i will continue to fight every day for that

00:22:24.840 i don't know what what more to say after that but as you know the guests always get the last word i

00:22:29.160 don't know if you want to use that as your last word i think i just gave you my last i think that was

00:22:33.260 pretty good that was pretty good larry brock brantford brant is the riding he's the member of parliament

00:22:37.740 for that great community and we do appreciate your time we give you the show out of awareness so you

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - April 06, 2023

Canada is broken! MP Larry Brock joins the Blueprint to explain the lack of safety on our streets.

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